Has the Quran been changed? A Muslim-Christian debate

[@jamalkhan3708]

Today is 07/18/2020 and few weeks ago Muslim scholars Yasir Qadhi and Shabir Ally had admitted that “holy Quran is holey holey😆 turn into Swiss cheese 🧀 😆 Quran was the back bone of islam but now back bone of islam is fractured in pieces. The truth is slowly seeping out, islam is false plain and simple. Thank you Dr Bernie for your hard work. Much love and respect from Pakistan ✊❤️

[@shalomex-muslims2991]

Check the video where Yasir Qadhi confirms that he is leaving social media because of this. Check David Wood's and Jay Smith's videos related to this.

[@mayankbadola23]

U have guts

[@abdulrafaybutt1189]

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[@LeeGivens-q1v]

Where is your proof? And even if it was true the biblical texts are to-date over 3000 different changed VERSIONS of the biblical texts...🤔 So what does that tell you?💥

[@LeeGivens-q1v]

This guy has absolutely no clue what he's TALKING ABOUT so its clear he doesn't have any in-depth knowledge to even comment on the reality of the truth about the Qur'an has absolutely no clue what so ever.... 😂

[@stargategoku]

this not debate. Dr Bernie Power gave seminar to his opponent

[@epelinatoko59]

Good Dr Bernie

[@bishalpxcked]

Bernie got destroyed by adnan Rashid

[@ijazthetrini]

Something I did forget to mention - When Muslims claim the Qur'an cannot be changed, it refers to the Kalam of God (the eternal speech of God), not the physical representation of it, such as in speech or in writing as these are human products. Rather, we believe that the physical and oral Qur'an can indeed be changed, for example when someone makes a mistake in recitation, or a mistake in transcription. Consequently, we believe the Qur'an (representations of it) can be changed, but that these changes will not manifest themselves into the normative transmission of the Qur'an, i.e. they will always be discounted, see the conditions of tawatur trasmission in Islam. Ergo, the opening portions of the OS seriously and severely misunderstand, misrepresent and mistake what scholars have written about the Qur'an. Most people reading works on the Qur'an are sure to never pick up on these nuances in language or ever realise what the author intended, so they misrepresent these quotes in pretty bad ways that reflect more on their own poor scholarship as opposed to the author's intent. Not saying there aren't lay Muslims who may believe some of these things, but their ignorance is not an excuse for his own. All around, pretty cringe-worthy OS from Powers. Typical, but we need to demand better and more honest study from our Christian counterparts in inter-religious dialogue. Regards, Br. Ijaz Ahmad.

[@buckmajor]

Look like you've been only watching small fry debates? Do you want honesty? No worries let's start with Islam's favorite Dr. Naik: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZyloKuIormmrsk And that video is not taking out of context so you definitely know it is Naik speaking. How about the Fact that Naik does not know the basic history of Science, or specifically 'Darwinian Evolution'? Yep Islam's greatest educator who made a fool of himself? From that video, who is Sir Whitemeat? Is his first name Chicken? Here is list of our Christian apologists: - Sam Shamoud - David Wood - James White - Michael Licona Where is Shabir Ally these days? Seem a bit quiet after David Wood mopped him. Yeah dude I agree with you...more honest study but most definitely from Islam :P

[@energie00]

I actually think the OS was very credible given the position Muslims have taken towards their treatment of the Quran as the eternal preserved word of Allah. If this was the case the text would be as uniform without exception to dialect, the Quran itself says no one can change Allah's words. So given this the OS is completely relevant. It is I fact very necessary as the ancient Arabic claims have been this book is from the almighty God. Yet the Christian and Jewish positions have been this message is inspired from God. The very treatment of the text by Muslims forces the question. Sonor's presentation was rather disappointing as he follows the standard Islamic narrative without giving an honest appraisal. He quotes Surah 5:32 and applies this to Islamic theology yet ignores the very Muslim commands in the next verse Surah 5:33.

[@bowrudder899]

You say, _"When Muslims claim the Qur'an cannot be changed, it refers to the Kalam of God (the eternal speech of God), not the physical representation of it, such as in speech or in writing as these are human products. Rather, we believe that the physical and oral Qur'an can indeed be changed, for example when someone makes a mistake in recitation, or a mistake in transcription."_ Unfortunately, most Muslims do not seem to share your nuanced view. Most Muslims in practice seem to believe that the Quran has never been changed, unaware of the fact, for example, that Ibn Masud's Qur'an had 111 chapters, or that Ubai bin Ka'b's Quran had 116 chapters. Also, I think most Muslims would fail to recognize the ramifications of such a nuanced view. If one can say _"When Muslims claim the Qur'an cannot be changed, it refers to the Kalam of God (the eternal speech of God), not the physical representation of it",_ then the same logic can be applied to the Torah and Injeel. One could just as easily say the Torah and Injeel remain unchanged with God, although there are textual variants in concrete manuscripts.

[@masomaker]

Ok, so let me get you straight here. First, you believe that no credible Muslim scholar has put forward a claim that the Qu'ran is unchanged? I refer you to Dr. Ahmad Shafaat who states in his work REVELATION RECEIVED BY THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD: "Also, there is no direct textual evidence of any alterations in the text of the Qur'an, whether in its contents or their order, ignoring the vowel marks, the dots, and some extremely minor scribal errors that can be identified with a straightforward way (see Chapter 4, Section II, The original can be completely recovered)." I don't think its reasonable to somehow state that everyone just seems to get the claim wrong for lack of scholarship and understanding of nuance in language. At least Dr. Ahmad Shafaat attacks the claim head-on and attempts to present a rebuttal... unlike the Muslim apologist in this debate. You sir also seem guilty of some rather cringe worthy argumentation. Also, why aren't you critical of the Muslim presenter for failing to put forward your scholarly explanation? Or perhaps I missed your critique above.

[@masomaker]

Wow, I've just watched some of your videos and you are CLEARLY out to misrepresent Christians you disagree with. For instance, you present a clip that purports to show Dr. White making a claim that Christ's deity was established by the first generation after the apostles. How more out of context can you take him? Have you not read any of his works where he presents his arguments in full? A simply google search locates his webpage along with a full explanation as to why he believes the disciples recognized Jesus' deity. You sir should be shamed to accuse others of poor scholarship and misrepresentation. Hold yourself to the very standard you apply to the Christian debater here and demand from yourself "better and more honest study."

[@natureenthusiast660]

The muslim guy was so emotional and out of the topic most of the time.

[@argotcalo5575]

Or maybe he was delivering a calculated plan of emotional and out of the topic moves. I have saw muslims do this many times deliberately to confuse people and get sympathy.

[@1powerequalsgod]

Most Muslims are not straight forward thinkers have a difficulty staying on topic to strictly answering what's being directly asked to them. You can find these examples in a high number of other KZbin videos that Muslims are more mentally challenged when confronted are not very analytical or critical thinking. Fortunately, I learned from a famous debater that you have to ask a question and be highly antagonistic to tripping up the Muhammadan to wanting to answer it in order to defend his religion but exposing it at the same time. The Muhammadan is train is warrior to spread his beliefs by the sword an never likes a opponent that is more prepared and advance in knowledge then they are. Their Islamic superiority complex is also their greatest weakness.

[@1powerequalsgod]

ever moore I have to agree with dualism because Islam built on the strategy of offense and defense.

[@Kstxrd]

A great example of Islamic dualism is the over stated verse "Let there be no compulsion in religion." and the penalty of death for apostasy in Islam. You need to understand the context in which the "no compulsion " verse was delivered. This verse came from Muhammad at a time when the Pagans of Mecca where trying to keep their children from joining Islam. This verse has nothing to do with ones freedom to come or go within Islam without consequence. Muhammad also said "Anyone who leaves his Islamic faith, kill him." Both statements are true in Islam. Islam is like the Hotel California with a twist. You can check IN any time you want but you can never leave.

[@jsilvanus240]

I like see when Christian Debaters use Muslim on sources to blows these Muslims. The quran is NOT from GOD. 2 CORINTHIANS 11: Galatians <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="66">1:6</a>-9. REVELATION <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1338">22:18</a>-19. The BIBLE is from GOD. 2 TIMOTHY <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="196">3:16</a>-17. 2 PETER <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="80">1:20</a>-21.

[@ijazthetrini]

Quite a few oddities in the OS of Powers: 1. Muslims believe that the Qur'an has modes (ahruf) and styles (qira'at), and so his questions at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1337">22:17</a> are a bit odd. In the beginning he lists (edit: some of) the qira'at that were mass, simultaneously transmitted, but then he asks a really odd question, which "version" with 'Uthman (ra) not burn? Well does he not know the Qira'at of the Qur'an all use the Uthmanic Rasm? That should answer his question, if he doesn't know what that means, it means it was written in the consonantal skeletal form. 2. From each of the major Muslim centers, those especially from nascent Islam, these Qira'at were taught to the same people, by the same teachers, with each accepting that the others' recitations were transmitted directly to them by the earliest Muslims, who all heard them directly from the Prophet (peace be upon him). Those Qira'at which had no basis and could not be established by shuhadah were rejected, so it's practically impossible for someone to "create" a new recitation and not have such a recitation dismissed as being shadhdh. 3. One of perhaps the most problematic issues with the Christian speaker is that he's made quite a few errors. Namely, that wijada manuscripts are not accepted as an authority in Islam. If we do not know who wrote a manuscript, what their expertise was, what their character was like (alongside many other criteria), then their manuscript holds no authority over the mass, independent, simulataneously recitation of the Qur'an. The burden of proof relies on him as to why any manuscript discovered is more authoritative than the received text. 4. What was the point of showing that the Qira'at differ, when Muslims accept that the Qira'at were taught by the Prophet (peace be upon him) himself? Doesn't that then contradict the claim that Muslims must have only one Qira'at? 5. What was the point in showing that Muslim authorities in the past had personal collections of the Qur'an for their own study? For example, I believe Powers must've not studied well enough for the debate given that he repeated the same erroneous claims about the companions' codices (possibly from Jefferies), 2 extra Surahs? Nope, two du'as for blessing the recitation which we do have today with us. Lacking Surahs? Not every Surah needs to be written down, as Ibn Mas'ud himself explained. No chapter headings? Just as with scriptio continua in Koine, it does not mean they did not know where a sentence or verse or chapter stopped. 6. Difference in diacritics? Yep, from the Ahruf. 7. Destroying copies not validated by the publishing authority, that's basically how you preserve the transmission of a text. Not sure why Christians bring up this point, how else do you expect a text to be preserved without control of transmission? We call that copyrighting today.... 8(a - this point was added in an edit, forgot to include it). The Christian speaker also seemed not to understand the basics of textual criticism (ilm al rasm al mushaf), see Lion Vaganay's Intro to NT TC where he mentions there are three defective principles that those unstudied or new to TC make, but for our purposes I'll reference two. Namely the age of a witness (manuscript) and its number. Earliest does not mean the most accurate, only God knows what Powers would think if he read the critical apparatus of any critical edition of the GNT, a majority of the variant units do not use the "earliest witnesses" to establish a text, nor do the number of witnesses determine a text (see for non-technical reference, argumentum ad populum). Rather, the earliest text testifies to it being the earliest extant, not the earliest akin to authority and accuracy. Common mistakes for those not familiar with the field. 8(b). All in all, this was disappointing. Not sure if the Christian speaker has actually studied the works of any of the authors referenced, or worked alongside any of them. For example, let's see what Dr. Tayyar says about MSS, the Qur'an and the Topkapi codex: "The fact that two folios of it are missing and the existence of the minor differences of spelling that are also observed in the spelling of Mushafs in various periods or countries does not contradict the above-mentioned conclusion. It is normal that such differences will be seen in texts that are produced by the human hand. Apparently, the Holy Qur’an was protected not only by the Hafizun’s (people who have memorized the complete Qur’an) reading and memorizing but also thanks to its script and spelling. It exists in the same way that it was revealed and recorded fourteen centuries ago. These written documents are the actual and material manifestations of the divine revelation to the effect that “Behold, it is We Ourselves who have bestowed from on high, step by step, this reminder: and, behold, it is We who shall truly guard it [from all corruption]." - Tayyar Altikulaç, Al-Muṣḥaf Al-Sharif: Attributed To ‘ Uthman Bin ‘Affan [The Copy at the Topkapi Palace Museum], 2007, Organization of the Islamic Conference Research Centre for Islamic History, Art and Culture: Istanbul (Turkey), pp. 82 - 83. Or as Sadeghi (whom he showed pictures of his study on Sana'aa from) says: "Cook’s investigation of the list of skeletal-morphemic variations which, according to early scholars, distinguished the ʿUtmānic codices, allowed him to reconstruct the genetic relationships between and among the codices. The variations among the cities follow strikingly regular patterns. For example, the codex of Medina has no variant that is unique to it. Some variants belong uniquely to it and Syria, and others uniquely to it and Basra. But it never agrees with Kūfa against Syria or Basra. When such patterns are taken into consideration, the upshot is that of the well over 100 conceivable stemmata that could describe which codex was copied from which, only several closely related ones fit the data, and among these some are more probable than others. On the one hand, the great regularity of the patterns requires an explanation other than chance, and, on the other hand, it is difficult to explain why the texts fit this very specific set of stemmata if not as a result of having emerged in accordance with one of them. Cook argues convincingly against the possibility that the descriptions of these codices were forged by pointing out that the variants of four cities show no sign of cross-contamination. To create the appearance of non-contamination would have required skills that the scholars did not have, namely knowledge of the logic of stemmata. From this, Cook infers that “we have to do with genuine transmissions from an archetype”, thus showing the correctness of the reports about the regional codices. The historicity of the received data, in turn, is “a testimony to the continuing accuracy of the transmission of the variants” in the qirāʾāt literature." - Behnam Sadeghi, Uwe Bergmann, Arabica 57 (2010), p. 368. Pretty disappointing, nothing new offered and basically just rehashing of articles found on AI, misusing works by Sadeghi and Atikulac, seemingly unaware of works by Muslims on Ilm al Rasm al Mushaf, etc. Heck, if he quoted Sadeghi's conclusions he would have contradicted a majority of his claims in the OS, if he quoted Atikulac's conclusions he wouldn't have raised most of the points he did. All in all, great orator, poor scholarship.

[@energie00]

Can you recommend a credible Arabic dictionary that can confirm ahruf and qira'at mean what you claim?

[@allatfucckbar9171]

nope he cant loool.. just like his prophettess' alleged existence.. blah blah blah, is the only thing theyre good at. do u want me to show u something kool and funny about this debate?

[@dqschannel]

Dots are not for pronunciation as they can changes words depending on number or dots and if above or below the letter.

[@gondala]

This is embarassing... I am muslim and really want to know what's the response to Bernie's points. What I find is that, it just retoric and unrelated answers. He didn't refute it, but rather explaining his position or muslims' position and try to convince the audiences to understand his position. For example, he clams that many muslims memorize Quran but actually this is not convincing. If we are talking about now, yes there are many muslims memorize Quran. But in the past, how can muslims memorize Quran when the Quran was not compiled and being ordered in one single book so you know what's the beginning and the end. Sahaba didn't memorize whole Quran because the Quran at that time was still not existed in the form of book. What they memorize was probably some chapters or shorter chapters... that is enough for prayer purposes. You see, memorizing Quran is not mandatory but memorizing some shorter chapters are important because you need to pray everyday, especially for imam. But, in history, it was 1 or 2 imam who lead prayers at the time of prophet. So, if the sahaba memorized Quran then the question is "what purpose and motivation for sahaba to memorize Quran?" Clearly, there is no motivation or purpose for sahaba to memorize whole Quran. But, it is true even average muslims need to memorize surah al ikhlas and an nas for his daily prayers.

[@MixtapeKilla2004]

More CHANGES IN THE QURAN All Muslim scholars concur-such as Al-Bukhari (part 6, page 225), Suyuti in "The Itqan" (part 1, page 170), and Ibn Kathir in "The Beginning and the End" (part 7, page 218) in which he remarks, "’Uthman burned the rest of the copies which were in the hands of the people because they disagreed on the (correct) reading and they fought among themselves. When they came to take ibn Mas’ud’s copy to bum it, he told them, ‘I know more than Zayd ibn Thabit (whom ’Uthman ordered to collect the copies of the Qur’an).’ ’Uthman wrote to ibn Mas’ud asking him to submit his copy for burning." On page 41, he adds: "Ibn Qutayba says that the differences between the recitations of the various Qur’anic copies may include the meaning also." Also on page 109, he says: "When Abu Bakr and ’Umar assigned Zayd ibn Thabit to compile the Qur’an, there was a previous compilation of the Qur’an made by a group of the greatest companions such as ’Ali ibn Abi Talib, ibn Mas’ud and ibn ’Abbas and others."

[@samilamine950]

So Moses thought, “I will go over and see this strange sight-why the bush does not burn up.” 4 When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!” And Moses said, “Here I am.” 5 “Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.” 6 Then he said, “I am the God of your father,[a] the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God. The Quran 27.7. When Moses said to his family, "I have glimpsed a fire. I will bring you some news from it; or bring you a firebrand, that you may warm yourselves." 27.8. Then, when he reached it, he was called: "Blessed is He who is within the fire, and He who is around it, and glorified be God, Lord of the Worlds. 27.9. O Moses, it is I, God, the Almighty, the Wise. The Quranic text is clear and glorified be God, Lord of the Worlds, in other words O you the listener you’re hearing the fire, the one within(close to) the fire (moses),those(the angels) around the fire, the great call from the bush(the call of GOD in a manner that suits his majesty), Do not think that GOD the almighty is present with his divine being in the place or he ever Incarnates (high above that, he is indeed) even though he called moses from the bush, spoke with him and drew near him in a manner that suits his majesty but without resemblance to the creation or incarnation, unlike the biblical text which does not mention the GLORIFICATION of GOD in respect to that crucial subject at all.

[@brianmarrian3619]

Excellent, excellent Dr Bernie Power, when will you visit South Africa ...

[@adeliag5303]

8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? Who will go for Us?” And I said, “Here am I. Send me!” 9 And He replied, “Go and tell this people: ‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’ 10 Make the hearts of this people calloused; deafen their ears and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.…Isaiah 6: 8 - 10 John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="366">6:6</a>3 The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words I have spoken to you they are Spirit and they are life. 64 However there are some of you who do not believe. ( For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him.

[@LeeGivens-q1v]

😮I Think your knowledge is weak because which one of the 3000 different changed VERSIONS of the biblical texts are you quoting from😂... Well I never 🤔

[@osuclassof88]

Of course not. Unlike bible which is translated and printed and written, Quran is preserved by memorizing and transmitted orally. When we learn Qur'an we also learn to pronounce correctly, even learn where to stop and where not to stop. The fact that some people memorize it without knowing Arabic preserved it from being changed.

[@byondfinity2538]

so you're saying if i don't know French i can't memorize a book in french? i would consider what you're trying to say as miraculous but i simply know its very possible for humans to memorize a foreign language that way and even to the point of making it a global system, so no there's nothing special that makes the quran especially easy to memorize or understand, and btw being easy to understand isn't a dimensional quality, many books incredibly diverse have been written in easy to understand language so its not a miracle, is there something else?

[@osuclassof88]

@@byondfinity2538 you said that, not me

[@faizalbinibrahim6871]

I dare you to bring me the other 13 versions of the Qur'an . Show it to me , if you are truthful . In my life time if have never seen another version of the Qur'an . Show me if you are not a liar .

[@sagarjose721]

Not just 13 but 26 versions. want more information? listen to Jay Smith videos in speaker's corner

[@waterheaterservices]

Faizal Bin Ibrahim And keep in mind "Allah is the best of DECEIVERS".

[@gabrielmoses8505]

u are imitate your prophet . Practicing Taqqiya

[@123dsj123]

A “personhood” is not a human being. A “personhood” is the ability to think, to reason, and to be consciously aware of oneself. The Christian concept of a rock: A rock is one being with no personhood - there is no person (or personhood) inside the oneness of a rock. Therefore, a rock has no reference point from which to think, to reason, or to be consciously aware of itself. The Christian concept of a man: A man is one being with one personhood - there is one person (or personhood) inside the oneness of a man. Therefore, a man has one reference point from which to think, to reason, and to be consciously aware of himself. The Christian concept of God: God is one Being with three different Personhoods - there are three different Persons (or personhoods) in the “Oneness of God.” Therefore, God has three different reference points from which to think, to reason, and to be consciously aware of Himself. * The message of the Bible: Over 2,000 years ago, one of the three Persons (or personhoods) within the “Oneness of God” took upon Himself a human flesh by way of the Virgin Mary; and He dwelled amongst mankind. He died for the sins of mankind. Three days later, the God in whom there are three different Persons raised Him back to life. * Such great a love, a mercy, and a compassion for humanity was made possible by God, Himself. It could never be done by Allah, by a man, or by a demon - each of whom has only one person within his “oneness.” Only the “One True God” who is more within Himself, and different from our kind can accomplish such great a deed for us. God is alone, but He is not alone within Himself (or within His Oneness).

[@tinyad7180]

​@@123dsj123 Thankyou 123 ... Good patiently explained .. attempt on explaining the Trinity ... . Worth preserving ... God bless you ...

[@kennienielsen5704]

My left ear has just been enlightened ...

[@georgekorpoi6290]

Kennie Nielsen 😂😂😂😂 same here, I thought my earphones was broken, I had to play something different to be certain it wasn’t my earphones lol 😂

[@AllaahuAkbar60]

This video made me convert to Islam Alhamdulila....

[@dqschannel]

ALLAHU AKBAR man you must not be very smart if that is true.

[@dqschannel]

But dots and vocalization markings are additions therefore a CHANGE buddy. If there were no dots in the original how can you claim not a dot has been changed?

[@Musa13922]

John C. Because where there are dots, the dots haven't been removed, but where there are no dots; the past Muslims have added dots to make it easier for non Arabs to understand. Also vocalizations are basically the accent that u read a quran. These so called "different versions" of quran are different way of reading the same message. The point is the message that God said he's going to protect has protected. Go to any of these ppls profiles and u could tell that they are filled up of hatred towards muslims and islam, so....biased much😯😊

[@only333]

@@Musa13922 When there are no dots, it can be read in multiple ways and hence the message is changed.

[@Juli-nf3yy]

Like someone who insisted on saying that a coconut tree is a banana tree, so what do we call the person if not a petty and crazy man, that's what you say about Islam, Al Qur'an and Muhammad.

[@zenabezerzer]

I thought the topic is if the Quran being changed or not stay out of the Bible or Jesus Christ. If you remember Mohamed talking about GOD having face and hands and legs who was he talking about ?

[@dqschannel]

Why is he making the topic about bible?

[@anthonytan7134]

Because...he can't refute Bernie !

[@aramaicpower]

Did u know that (Surat al-Ahzaab 33) was as long as (Surat al-Baqarah 2) ! It was narrated by ‘Abdullah the son of Imam Ahmad in Zawaa’id al-Musnad (21207), ‘Abd ar-Razzaaq in al-Musannaf (599), Ibn Hibbaan in his Saheeh (4428), al-Haakim in al-Mustadrak (8068), al-Bayhaqi in as-Sunan (16911), Ibn Hazm in al-Muhalla (12/175), via ‘Aasim ibn Bahdalah, from Zirr, who said: Ubayy ibn Ka‘b said to me: How long is Surat al-Ahzaab when you read it? Or how many verses do you think it is? I said to him: Seventy-three verses. He said: Only? There was a time when it was a long as Surat al-Baqarah, and we read in it: “The old man and the old woman, if they commit zina, then stone them both, a punishment from Allah, and Allah is Almighty, Most Wise. Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:This is a clearly saheeh isnaad, as clear as the sun, in which there is no fault. Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said: This is a hasan isnaad. This implies that there were more verses in it ! See also tafsir ibn kathir on quran <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1981">33:1</a> سُورَة الْأَحْزَاب : قَالَ الْإِمَام أَحْمَد حَدَّثَنَا خَلَفَ بْن هِشَام حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّاد بْن زَيْد عَنْ عَاصِم بْن بَهْدَلَة عَنْ زِرّ قَالَ : قَالَ لِي أُبَيّ بْن كَعْب كَأَيِّنْ تَقْرَأ سُورَة الْأَحْزَاب أَوْ كَأَيِّنْ تَعُدّهَا ؟ قَالَ قُلْت ثَلَاثًا وَسَبْعِينَ آيَة فَقَالَ قَطُّ لَقَدْ رَأَيْتهَا وَإِنَّهَا لَتُعَادِل سُورَة الْبَقَرَة وَلَقَدْ قَرَأْنَا فِيهَا الشَّيْخ وَالشَّيْخَة إِذَا زَنَيَا فَارْجُمُوهُمَا الْبَتَّة نَكَالًا مِنْ اللَّه وَاَللَّه عَزِيز حَكِيم Al Etqan fe oloom Al Quran, by Glall al-Din As-Suyuti,in arabic - Dar Eheea Al oloum- Beirut. vol 2 page 70 Now Surat ((al-Ahzaab 33)) today is 73 verses, THE QUESTION IS , WHERE IS THE 213 MISSING VERSES??

[@CrosswireHunter]

ok..doesnt matter how long is a given sura; is there an insertion or not ???? answer is NO.

[@aramaicpower]

A B You said= .doesnt matter how long is a given sura; is there an insertion or not ???? answer is NO. I say= You missed the point ! Surat ((al-Ahzaab 33)) today is 73 verses, THE QUESTION IS , WHERE IS THE 213 MISSING VERSES??

[@aahmed6020]

Warrior In Christ From Ubayy (RA) only one person, Zirr is reporting this narration. This fact itself makes the case doubdtful. b- From Zirr, two people narrate this. One is Aasim b. Bahdala [Abi al-Najud] and other is Yazid b. Abi Ziyad. From them onwards there are multiple narrators but the point to note here is that scholars who has termed the narration as weak have criticized these two narrators. a- See the classification of Musnad Ahmad by Shaykh Shu’aib Arna’ut accompained by Aadil Murshid and Sa’id al-Ham, Al-Resalah publishers Beirut, 1999 vol. 35 p.134 About the narration through Yazid bin Abi Ziyad they say; “The chain is Da’if (i.e. weak) due to the weakness of Yazid bin Abi Ziyad.” And about the narration through Aasim they comment; “The chain is Da’if (i.e. weak) - Aasim bin Bahdala - even if acceptable used to have inadvertences due to bad memory, so he alone cannot be relied upon in reports like this.” b- Similarly Shaykh Abdul Sami’ Abdul Bari al-Saygh in his research and explanation of the narrations from two companions, Jabir bin Samrah and Ubayy bin Ka’b, included in Musnad Ahmad has also criticized both these narrators. Commenting on the narration through Yazid b. Abi Ziyad he says; “The narration through this chain is Da’if (i.e. weak) because of the presence of Yazid b. Abi Yazid.” (p. 441) And commenting about the status of the narration through Aasim b. Bahdala he says; “The narration through this chain is Da’if (i.e. weak) for it includes Aasim and he is [otherwise] acceptable but used to have inadvertences.” (p. 439) The original title of the work is ‘Marwiyat al-Sahabayn Jalilayn Jabir bin Samrah wa Ubayy bin Ka’b fi Musnad al-Imam Ahmad’ published by Ummul Qura University, 1988 vol. 1 c- Even classical scholars also questioned authority of this narration. Hafiz Nuruddin Haythmi (d. 807 A.H.) commented on this report saying; “In its chain is Aasim bin Abi al-Najud and he is Da’if (i.e. weak)” (Mawarid az-Zamaan, Hadith 1756) Similarly Imam Shahabuddin Ahmad al-Boseri (d. 840 A.H.) in his Ithaf al-Khira al-Mihra 5792 quotes this narration from, al-Tiyalsi; Ibn Hibban and Ahmad bin Muni and says; “Their chains depend upon Aasim bin Abi al-Najud and he is Da’if (i.e. weak)”

[@aramaicpower]

Mustafa Ahmed You said= From Ubayy (RA) only one person, Zirr is reporting this narration. This fact itself makes the case doubdtful. I say= First of all , that is your problem, it is in your own books ! Now, Lets see what mohamad himself said about Ubayy bin Kab from the AUTHENTIC hadith ! Sahih al-Bukhari Vol. 5, Book 57, Hadith 103-104= I heard Allah's Messenger saying, Learn the recitation of the Qur'an from (any of these) four persons: Abdullah bin Masud, Salim the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa, (((Ubayy bin Ka`b))), and Mu`adh bin Jabal ! Even Ali ibn abi talib says people had been making unwarranted ((additions)) to the quran= Al Etqan fe oloom Al Quran, by Glall al-Din As-Suyuti, ch. 18 = page 138= ISBN-13: 978-1859642429 ! And in arabic = Dar Eheea' Al oloum- Beirut. vol 1 page 165. So imam al-shia ali ibn abi talib said = بعد بيعة أبي بكر قعد علي بن أبي طالب في بيته فقيل لأبي بكر قد كره بيعتك فأرسل إليه فقال أكرهت بيعتي قال لا والله قال ما أقعدك عني قال رأيت كتاب الله يزاد فيه Ali says , raaeto kitab allah yozado fihi ! Now, did u know The ninth chapter in the quran, at-Tawbah: It is alleged that two-thirds or three-fourths of this surah has been lost. This report is attributed to Hudhayfah al-Yamani. As-Suyuti, ad-Durru l-Manthur, vol. 3. p. 208: al-Itqan, vol. 2. p. 26: al-Hakim an-Nishapuri, al-Mustadrak alas-Sahihan, vol. 2 (Hyderabad: Dairatul-Ma'arif. 1340 AH) p. 331. And in arabic= Al Etqan fe oloom Al Quran, by Glall al-Din As-Suyuti, aadad Suor wa Ayat Al quran" the Number of the Suras and Ayas in Quran - Dar Eheea' Al oloum- Beirut. vol 2 page 72. Imam Malik ibn Anas was asked as to why there is no "Bismillah" in this surah. He said, "It was lost with its earlier parts, because it is confirmed that it was equal to surah al-Baqarah in length ! See also Al Etqan fe oloom Al Quran, by Glall al-Din As-Suyuti, ch. 19 = page 155= ISBN-13: 978-1859642429 And in arabic= aadad Suor wa Ayat Al quran" the Number of the Suras and Ayas in Quran - Dar Eheea' Al oloum- Beirut. vol 1 page 183. But there are only 129 verses in this surah of the Quran TODAY and yet it was equal to surat ((al-Baqarah)) in length which have 286 verses !! Now the question is , where is the rest of the 157 verses that are missing from chapter 9 of the quran ??

[@aahmed6020]

Shows how desparate you've become your not reading show me where we said ubay bin kab was unrealible???? Its whos taken from him is not reliable Ill get to surah Tauba when i get home In Shaa Allah

[@jacoballey9285]

What Power did was arrange several alleged different versions of the Quran! All he showed in his presentation was a few letter differences and dots here and there and nothing else. Does this signify any differences among the supposed versions if they exist?

[@only333]

Those dots that are inconsistant are not full stops but notations that change the meanings of words drastically, so in that context, the meaning of the words can be interpreted in quite a few different ways and hence is not consistant.

[@samilamine950]

• The bible claims in numbers 5(11-31) it says (if a woman commits adultery you would find out the truth if in brief (the priest should take holy water in a vessel, take dust from the floor and put it into the vessel and that is the bitter water and after cursing it, give it to the woman and if the woman has committed adultery, after she drinks it, the curse will enter her body, the stomach will swell, the thigh will rot, and she shall be cursed by the people, if the woman has not committed adultery, she will remain clean and she will bear the seed.) *This text contradicts facts and physical reality; we know for sure that nothing would happen to any adulteress if she drinks that so-called bitter cursed water. The Quran {as for those who accuse their wives, but have no witnesses except themselves, let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies (i.e. testifies four times) by GOD that he is one of those who speak the truth*and the fifth (testimony) (should be) the invoking of the curse of GOD on him if he be of those who tell a lie (against her)*but it shall avert the punishment (of stoning to death) from her, if she bears witness four times by GOD, that he (her husband) is telling a lie*and the fifth (testimony) (should be)the invoking of the wrath of GOD on her if he (her husband) speaks the truth}[<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1446">24:6</a>-9] (And after that, both husband and wife will be compelled for separation). The Quranic verdict is clear, comprehensible and practical.

[@MixtapeKilla2004]

Has the Quran been changed? I wanna see David Wood & Anthony Rogers debate Sami Zaatari & Osama Abdallah at a Baptist Church

[@drshuaibsayyed3274]

All the companions at the time of Uthman's "Authorization of the Text" agreed to Uthman and nobody had any dispute against him, this proves there wasn't any versions of Quran. Different variations pointed out is actually different recitations of the Quran, also revealed by God. All the differences are also revealed by God in the recitations. So the fact remains that nothing is changed in the Quran, since its revelation from God. Insertions in Manuscripts are human errors in their personal copies which are corrected by inserting the words missed out. How is the corrections made, it is because Muslims every age know what is the complete Quran. Because every age we had and will have Hafizoon, Quran in Memory by Thousands and Millions of them. All the hafiz memorize 1-114 Surahs of the Quran , this you can have for one particular person all the chain of Hafiz teachers going up to Prophet Muhammad.

[@maxocean3789]

Shuaib Sayyed, did you have the memory of your forefathers in you, so how could you say that we remember quran in memory, Foollllll

[@maryah8642]

Shuaib Sayyed How you trust Muhammad? Didn't he recite verses from the devil?

[@samilamine950]

The pentituch (the five books attributed to Moses) neither mentions satan and the devils (satan’s offspring and soldiers) by name nor does it warn about them and even in the book of genesis it is said that the snake which seduced Eve and not satan; and this absolutely a serious lacking point, on the other hand the Quran and the prophet’s sayings mentions satan and the devils several times and warn about them and also testify that satan and the devils are human beings sworn enemies and foes, furthermore the Quran informed us that the other prophets warned about satan and the devils in their times such as Abraham, moses, joseph, Jacob and Joshua in (<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="725">12:5</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="730">12:10</a>0, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1086">18:6</a>3, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1695">28:15</a>, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1184">19:44</a>-45). ADAM (PBUH), THE FIRST MAN ON EARTH, LIVED 5,800 YEARS AGO As per the genealogy of Jesus Christ given in the Bible, from Jesus through Abraham (pbuh) to the first man on earth i.e. Adam (pbuh), Adam appeared on the earth approximately 5800 years ago : i. 1948 years between Adam (pbuh) and Abraham (pbuh) ii. Approximately 1800 years between Abraham (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh). iii. 2000 years from Jesus (pbuh) until today, These figures are further confused by the fact that the Jewish calendar is currently on or about 5800 years old. There is sufficient evidence from archaeological and anthropological sources to suggest that the first human being on earth was present tens of thousands of years ago and not merely 5,800 years ago as is suggested by the Bible. The Qur’an too speaks about Adam (pbuh) as the first man on earth but it does not suggest any date or period of his life on earth even though there are some clues which suggest that the age of humanity is long, unlike the Bible - what the Bible says in this regard is totally incompatible with science. The Quran (Has there not reached you the news of those before you - the people of Noah and 'Aad and Thamud and those after them? No one knows them but GOD. Their messengers brought them clear proofs...) [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="849">14:9</a>] (And the people of Noah - when they denied the messengers, we drowned them, and we made them for mankind a sign. And we have prepared for the wrongdoers a painful punishment. And [We destroyed] 'Aad and Thamud and the companions of the well and many generations between them) [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1537">25:37</a>-38] Exodus <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1877">31:17</a> & Genesis <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="122">2:2</a> (GOD “rested” and was “refreshed”) GOD does not rest and never rests because he does never get tired and he is all-powerful. The Quran {And indeed we created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in six days (epochs) and nothing of fatigue touched us*so bear with patience (o Muhammad ) all that they say,..}[<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="3038">50:38</a>-39] According to the Old Testament (genesis) (GOD and the angels went to Abraham, he offered them a calf and they ate it.) GOD does not eat because eating is an animal act and it leads to defecation (going to the loo) more over this is an incarnation ( the myth of a GOD MAN) quality in which GOD is high above And we are not to attribute such qualities to GOD. The same story is mentioned in the Quran but the Quran states that only the angels (taking human appearance) who went to Abraham and yet they did not eat food because angels do not eat and do not drink. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="3084">51:24</a>-34, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="951">15:51</a>-60, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1771">29:31</a>-32, <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="666">11:6</a>9-76. {Say, "Is it other than GOD I should take as a protector, Creator of the heavens and the earth, while it is He who feeds and is not fed?" Say, [O Muhammad], "Indeed, I have been commanded to be the first [among you] who submit [to GOD] and [was commanded], 'Do not ever be of the polytheists.' “} [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="374">6:14</a>] Judges <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="79">1:19</a> (so the lord was with Judah and they drove out the inhabitants of the mountains, but they could not drive out the inhabitants of the lowland, because they had chariots of iron.) GOD is able to do all things when he wants something he merely wills it and it comes into being. The Quran {.....verily GOD does what he wills} [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1334">22:14</a>] {....verily GOD has power over all things} [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="130">2:10</a>9]

[@RaptureofSaints]

Hello Dr. Power, I have been watching the Jay Show with Jay Smith and your name was mentioned I n the Videos, how many different Arabic Qurans do you have now and how many variations have you found. Do you have a Website or Contact Email so that I can find out some Information on the May different Qurans you have found so far. Do you have a Listing of the Qurans with their Date and Author? Please help David

[@harrysandro7351]

It is clear that Quran has been changed and changed and changed. The Quran (page A) they have now is According to Hafs’ recitation and there is no original version.

[@osuclassof88]

If all printed or digital Quran lost Quran still exist in memory of Muslims.

[@TTTan1]

But the sad truth is that the muslims love the wrong Jesus who did not die on the çross and so was not resurrected. So they are two different person.

[@samilamine950]

The Qur’an corrects the Bible - Part 1 May God’s peace, mercy, and blessings be upon you. This is a simple comparison between the Bible and the Qur’an about the attributes of God and some important issues. I will not miss you, my loved ones in God, with God’s blessing I- attributes of GOD almighty, may He be glorified and exalted : 1-Tiredness : Bible: Exodus 31/17 “For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.” Qur’an: Surah Qãf, verse 38 {And We created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six days, and no fatigue has touched Us.} 2- forgetfulness : Bible: Psalm 13/1 “How long, O Lord, will You completely forget me? How long will you hide your face from me? Qur’an: Surah Taha, verse 52 {In a book(of universal decrees): My Lord neither errs nor forgets} 3-sleep : Bible: Psalm 44/23 "I wake up! Why do you ignore me, Lord? I notice! “Do not be rejected forever.” Qur’an: Surah Al-Baqarah, verse 255 {GOD, there is none worthy of worship but Him, the Ever-Living, the Ever-Subsisting. Neither slumber nor sleep overtakes Him} 4-Hearing and responding to prayers : Bible: Book of Habakkuk 1/2 “How long, O Lord, will I call and you will not hear? I cry out to you because of injustice, and you do not save? Quran: Surah Ibrahim, verse 36 {Praise be to God who gave me Ishmael and Isaac in my old age. Indeed, my Lord hears the supplications} Surat Taha verse 7: {And if you say something (bear in mind that)he knows the secret and what's more hidden} 5-Eyesight and seeing : Bible: 2 Kings 19/16 “16 Incline your ear, O Lord, and hear. Open your eyes, O Lord, and see, and hear the words of Sennacherib, whom he has sent to reproach the living God.” Qur’an: Surah Al-Hujurat, verse 18 {Indeed, God knows the unseen (and the secrets) of the heavens and the earth, and God is All-Seeing of what you do} 6-The Promise : Bible: Psalm 89/39 “You have broken the covenant of your servant, you have defiled his crown in the dust.” Quran: Surat Al-Rum, verse 6 {God's Promise: God does not break His promise, but most people do not know} 7-Justice : Bible: Book of Job 19 6 Know then that God has perverted me, and has twisted his ropes around me. 7 Behold, I cry out wrongly, and I am not heard. I pray and there is no judgment. Quran: Surah Yunus, verse 44 {Indeed, God does not wrong people in the slightest, but it is the people who wrong themselves} Surat An-Nisa, verse 40: {Indeed, GOD does not wrong even the weight of an atom, and if it is a good deed, He will multiply it and give from Himself a great reward} 8-Power : Bible: Genesis <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1945">32:25</a>-29 "Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him until dawn. When he saw that he could not overcome Jacob in this struggle, he struck his hip socket and it was dislocated... Then he said, “Your name will no longer be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have overcome God and people and have prevailed.” Qur’an: Surat Al-Hajj, verse 74 {they(wicked people) haven't respected the right of GOD though GOD is strong almighty} 9-Ressemblance : Bible: Genesis <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="86">1:26</a> God said: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness Qur’an: Surah Ash-Shura, verse 11{There is nothing like Him, and He is the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing} II-GOD's teachings : 1-Dealing : Bible: 2 Samuel 22 “26 “With the merciful you will be merciful. With a perfect man you will be perfect. 27 With the pure you will be clean, and with the perverse you will be crooked.” Qur’an: Surah An-Nisa, verse 135 {O you who have believed, be upholders of justice as witnesses to GOD, even if it is against yourselves or the parents and the relatives, whether he be rich or poor, for GOD (is More Merciful to them. And more aware of them), so do not follow desires lest you shouldn't be just. But if you distort(the testimony)or turn away(from witnessing with the truth), then surely GOD is ever aware of what you do.} 2-Usury with a foreigner : Bible: Deuteronomy 23 19 “You shall not lend usury to your brother, interest of money, usury of food, or usury of anything that is lent on usury. 20 To a foreigner you may lend on interest, but to your brother you shall not lend on interest. May the Lord your God bless you in all that you set your hand to in the land where you are entering. To own it. Qur’an: Surah Al-Baqarah, the two verses 276 {Those who consume usury do not stand except as one stands whom Satan causes to be tossed by the touch of him. This is because they said, “Trade is only like usury, and God has made trade lawful and forbade usury, so whoever comes to him an admonition from his Lord and abstains from it, then he will have what he had before, and his affair is up to God. And whoever returns(in making usury lawful), then those are the inmates of the Fire. They will remain therein forever. And God eradicates usury and increases alms, and God does not like every sinful infidel.} Surah Al Imran verse 130 {O you who have believed, do not consume usury (multiplied) many times over, and fear GOD that you may succeed.} Surat Al-Rum verse 39 {And whatever you give usury to raise it in people’s wealth, (but) it does not raise with GOD, and whatever you give (obligatory)charity seeking the pleasure of GOD - it is they whom (their reward will be)multiplied.} 3-Lewdness and obscenity : Bible: Book of Exodus 3 “21 And I will give favor to this people in the eyes of the Egyptians. For when you go, you will not go away empty-handed. 22 Rather, every woman shall ask of her neighbor and of her sojourner in her house, jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and of garments, and you shall lay them out upon your sons and your daughters. How much? And you will plunder the Egyptians.” Chapter 12-35 And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses. They asked the Egyptians for articles of silver, articles of gold, and clothing. Qur’an: Surah Al-A’raf, verse 28 {And when they commit an indecency, they say, “We found our fathers doing it, and God commanded us to do it.” Say, “Indeed, God does not command indecency. Do you say about God what you do not know?” Surah An-Nahl, verse 90: {God commands justice and goodness and kindness to relatives, and forbids indecency, abomination, and transgression. He exhorts you that you may remember.} 4-Punishing people for the sins of others: Bible: Isaiah 14-21 “Prepare for his children to be killed for the iniquity of their fathers, so that they shall not arise, nor inherit the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.” Qur’an: Surah Al-An’am, verse 164 {Say: shall I seek a Lord other than God, when He is the Lord of all things, and every soul earns only according to its own deed, and no bearer of burdens bears the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return. Where he will Tell you about what you differed.}

[@irwankuya]

Matthew <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="441">7:21</a> -> Then I will tell them plainly, 'I NEVER KNEW YOU. AWAY FROM ME, YOU EVILDOERS !!' Matthew <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="441">7:21</a> -> "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I NEVER KNEW YOU. AWAY FROM ME, YOU EVILDOERS !!'

[@JukeBoxHero82]

If there are no variant texts available and the texts have been perfectly preserved- how would we know? If one doesn't know what a straight line is, how can he judge a crooked line. Uthman, by burning the Textual Variants, has in principle burnt all of them. Because now, we have nothing to compare, contrast and deduct therefore, the authenticity of the Quran. So much for the all wise Allah. Of course another bumper question would be that if Allah had promised to preserve the Quran, why were there any variants at all!!

[@dqschannel]

Did he try to say Muhammad is the Comforter? LMAO

[@tinyad7180]

23: 20 ... Conclusion .. Quran has been ... Edited time and again to suit the ambitions of the ruling powers of the day ... right from the beginning ... Itcwas was originally vcooked up ... Later like the icing on the cake ... Fir every year birthday celebration ... The words made by the icing is changed ....

[@unitedsoulsnetwork2619]

He mentioned Jews living under Islam but fails to mention they had to pay the Jizya a tax imposed on non muslims to humiliate them.

[@samilamine950]

unlike the bible the Qur’an was memorized, taught and transmitted orally by prophet Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم to his companions during his life time before writing and similarly the Qur’an was memorized, taught and transmitted by the companions of the Prophet Mohamed peace be on him to their followers orally and also by writing and on and on from generation to generation orally before writing until judgment day, and this is the highest level of authentication and trustworthiness. Firstly This is the opinion of those researchers who rely on historical manuscripts but this is not a hard evidence for me, because anyone under any authority could falsify the texts, that's why writing is not enough by itself, the orally transmission by at least 10 people to 10 people has to be alongside with the writing and this is called التواتر in Arabic which is the guarantor of avoiding any falsification of the manuscripts under any authority be it religious or political or both. Secondly we have to examine the content of the manuscripts and the scriptures and if it is really from GOD Almighty then it has to be faultless, free from defects and discrepancies, compatible with commonsense, natural instinct and established scientific and historical facts. So let's be fair, objective and sensical.

[@Hand_some_Lion]

what these people are memorizing is actually the 1924 edition, not the original.

[@tinyad7180]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="92">01:32</a>:00 since faith is a gift of God ... None can boast for having any .... to boast about ... Adore the God whobis unfathomable ...Hosanna ...

[@realamg123]

I would like to ask the Christians Jews and Atheists; Are you more knowledgeable in the Christians faith than all the Priests and church members in addition to the Jewish Rabbis who reverted to Islam over the years since the time of Mohammed PBUH? And more intellectual than all the professors and scientists who discovered the miracles of Quran and became Muslims?!

[@mayankbadola23]

Its not about conversation, its about that statement muslims give that quran is same all around the world without any other version existence. And exact revelation to Muhammad.

[@nabildk6954]

mr bernie shoulded have at least shown 3 versions of the quran that he clamed and explained how are the diffrent

[@samilamine950]

*EXODUS chapter 4 verses 4 to 6 (And the LORD said unto Moses, Put forth your hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand That they may believe that the LORD God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has appeared unto you. And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now your hand into your bosom. and he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.) * This text in the bible contains clear blunder how could we imagine a prophet of GOD using a disease such as leprosy as a miracle to call people to GOD. The Quran (Insert your hand into the opening of your garment; it will come out white, without disease. And draw in your arm close to you [as prevention] from fear, for those are two proofs from your Lord to Pharaoh and his establishment. Indeed, they have been a people defiantly disobedient.) [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1712">28:32</a>].

[@anthonytan7134]

And the best question :....is the Quran in heaven has dots or not ????? Bernie :...I dunno, haven't been there, maybe the sheikh can answer it Sheikh :....I will answer the other question Which really sum up the debate ! ha ha funniest debate I ever watched. The sheikh turned this academic debate into theological issue ! Kudos to Bernie for keeping it academic and not distracted from the topic !

[@kepitingrebus1890]

That's a stupid question, and the correct answer is Imam's answer.

[@anthonytan7134]

@@kepitingrebus1890 I think it's fair question ! and the imam DIDN'T answer it ! If you claimed it's preserved, of course you have to show it ! REMEMBER the topic is about the preservation of the Quran, re surah al Buruj 22, ..in tablet preserved !!! Yusuf Ali translation

[@kepitingrebus1890]

@@anthonytan7134 asking something in heaven is a fair Question? Well there are really some people who dont know whether they're stupid or not 😂😂 I dont like debate over youtube comments. So I'll just give you a hint: Quran Birmingham manuscripts. Scholars conclude that Quran today is the same as Quran in prophet era. So. Adios 😂😂

[@anthonytan7134]

@@kepitingrebus1890 Birmingham mushaf ???? ha ha ha, it only contains 33 verses and 3 chapters and EVEN "borrowing stories", AND YOU SAID IT'S THE SAME WITH THE QURAN THAT YOUR PROPHET HAD ????? JUST SIMPLE GOOGLING THE FACT WILL DESTROY YOUR ARGUMENT !! VERY SAD ABOUT YOUR WAY OF THINKING BRO, REALLY SAD..😂😂 NOWDAYS, ISLAM CAN'T HIDE, KNOWLEDGE WILL DAMAGE IT BADLY ! YOUR ONLY BEST DEFENSE IS YOUR IGNORANCE ! May the true God have mercy on you my brother, AND OPEN YOUR HEART TO THE TRUTH !

[@kepitingrebus1890]

@@anthonytan7134 Its NOT me who said that, its the conclusion of scholar at Univ Birmingham. You dont like it? or protest? go after them. Your googling & your assumptions wont destroy scholar scientific conclusion 😂🤣 Quran in the form of CODEX is Codex Tashkent and its copy Codex Topkapi. So we have Quran well preserved and your book proven to be fairy tales. No original even a quarter page. 😂🤣🤣🤣 As I said, I'm not interested to talk about religion in KZbin comment. So I have to go now. Adios! These portions must have been in a form that is very close to the form of the Qur’an read today, supporting the view that the text has undergone little or no alteration and that it can be dated to a point very close to the time it was believed to be revealed.’ www.birmingham.ac.uk/news/latest/2015/07/quran-manuscript-22-07-15.aspx

[@stargategoku]

thanks a lot Dr Bernie Power. i saw your conversation and presentarion with Dr Jay Smith regarding quran preservation. muslims scholar are helping christian apologetics like you, Jay Smith muslims, Hatun Tash and Al Fadi exposing quran. muslim cholars like Dr Yassir Qadhi and dr Shabi Ally admitted that there are not only 1 version of quran. dr yassir qadhi said that there are many holes in narration. PRAISE YESHUA for raising brother like you Dr Bernie Power

[@tinyad7180]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="93">01:33</a>:35 ... Thinking ... Mich more ... Praying will help for the God to clarify things ... For the humanity ... Hosanna

[@АртемДанканіч]

The problem comes, when religious people trying to harmonize their theological convictions in accordance with contemporary scientific achievements. It's a modernism and no more. Scholars clear tells us that Quran has been changed. It's a fact! God doesn't speak Greek, Latin or Arabic. It's a culture speaks in different languages. For this reason, we have to understand that all of these religious differances is a result of cultural traditions. According to the theory of information, there is no one pure text in the world. Each ancient and medieval text to a certain extant was distorded. Religious faith is often blind and ignorant.

[@socostudio]

Amazing Job Bernie' the notion that the quran was heavenly sent was destroyed here.

[@sivaprasad9698]

Watch the debate with open eyes you dumb ass

[@Juli-nf3yy]

Destroyed ? Just like person who insisted on saying that a coconut tree is a banana tree, so what do we call the person.....a petty and crazy man. That Bernie, cp and you said about Islam, Al Qur'an and Muhammad

[@tinyad7180]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="86">01:26</a>:00. ... It was very cordial ... Debate ... Both placed own views to the best of their aboilities ... We wish ... Peace will come upon the wholevworld soon ....

[@YusufSaidCANBAZ]

There is no sound for me

[@tinyad7180]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="82">01:22</a>:40 .... Very interesting ... If quran is from heaven ... Do the words in it have dots in them or not ??? A very intriguing question but one that will falsfy the authenticity of Quran ... Being originated from heaven !!! Hosanna ...

[@dobberdop]

Im impressed by dr. Power

[@samilamine950]

the Qur’an had been sent down in 7 Arabic dialects and the most famous dialect was the quraish dialect, in mecca and the prophet Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم made a condition for using the 7 dialects which is not to quarrel and not to differ, the Qur'an was gathered in a form of a book مصحف in the time of abubakr may GOD be pleased with him, in the time of othman may GOD be pleased with him, Islam was spreading and many none arabs became Muslims and some people started to quarrel about the difference of the dialects, when othman was informed, he made a good decision and that's to unify all the Muslims in one dialect, which is the dialect of quraish, knowing that prophet Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم is from the tribe of quraish, so all the 10 ways of reading the Qur’an are from the dialect of quraish, like for example ... حفص عن عاصم، ورش عن نافع، الدوري عن الكسائي

[@sclsaktrc3311]

this is called standart islamic naration by sheik yassir qadhi. after uthman there are another standarizations, fyi. The first canonization: ʿUthmān’s codification The second canonization: Ibn Mujāhid and the seven canonical Readings The third canonization: al-Dānī and al-Shāṭibī The fourth canonization: Ibn al-Jazarī The fifth canonization of al-Azhar’s edition of 1923

[@sclsaktrc3311]

if you insist its about dialect, check bukhari 4992, abi dawud 1475, an nasai 940. they are all quraish, so its not about dialect, its most likely your prophet a forgetful person.

[@samilamine950]

@@sclsaktrc3311 unlike the bible the Qur’an was memorized, taught and transmitted orally by prophet Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم to his companions during his life time before writing and similarly the Qur’an was memorized, taught and transmitted by the companions of the Prophet Mohamed peace be on him to their followers orally and also by writing and on and on from generation to generation orally before writing until judgment day, and this is the highest level of authentication and trustworthiness. Firstly This is the opinion of those researchers who rely on historical manuscripts but this is not a hard evidence for me, because anyone under any authority could falsify the texts, that's why writing is not enough by itself, the orally transmission by at least 10 people to 10 people has to be alongside with the writing and this is called التواتر in Arabic which is the guarantor of avoiding any falsification of the manuscripts under any authority be it religious or political or both. Secondly we have to examine the content of the manuscripts and the scriptures and if it is really from GOD Almighty then it has to be faultless, free from defects and discrepancies, compatible with commonsense, natural instinct and established scientific and historical facts. So let's be fair, objective and sensical.

[@drshuaibsayyed3274]

Matthew ch 28: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. How is Jesus with people unto the end of the world ? In a similar way the Prophet too will be with people of course in his teachings

[@socostudio]

Acceotn Jesus Christ as yourn lordn and saviour now and you'll find out

[@drshuaibsayyed3274]

And yu already found out that Prophet Muhammad is prophesied in John 16:7

[@socostudio]

+Shuaib Sayyed then Jesusn is muhammad's GOD

[@drshuaibsayyed3274]

Read James 1:13 and Mark 1:12-13 you will realize because it is common sense to know that Jesus is not God

[@socostudio]

Shuaib Sayyed if false prophet muhammad is the holy spirit/conforter/spirit of truth/ (blasphemy) then Jesus is his GOD, because he sends the conforter and according to your fable ridden quran, allah sends the conforter/ muhammad. therefore Jesus is muhammad's GOD.

[@Andrew-jg6lg]

let's see, we Muslims have a Quran confirmed by a COMPANION of the prophet s.a.w. you pagans don't even know your authors except for Paul who never knew Jesus a.s. constantine compiled your books and burnt the rest. What authority did he have? Your bible was "voted" on which books were from God or not. Jesus a.s. was nowhere around when this happened. At least we had uthman r.a. a man who KNEW the prophet s.a.w. #proudmuslimandformerchristian#

[@1powerequalsgod]

Andrew 541 We have no real evidence of a Muhammad confirming any of the Quran are of his words. We have four men who supposedly wrote in place of Muhammad long after he had passed away. Are you going to say the Quran is perfectly preserved plagiarism because that can be proven through external Jewish and Christian sources? I don't see the reasoning to draw on the Bible when the topic is strictly about Quran being authentic from Allah which it proven to be not. It's from 4 men who compiled it using various external sources.

[@HueyPPLong]

Andrew 541 The church put together the bible and the church is guided by the holy spirit of God, this is what Christians claim and believe in...The Quran was put together by the caliphs in a similar way except muslims claim something different...Have faith in your religion but dont lie and say that the same Quran has remained unchanged from Muhammads last breath...

[@HueyPPLong]

Andrew 541 And the gospels, acts and Johns letters were written by apostles of Jesus...Paul is only responsible for certain books

[@1powerequalsgod]

Joe Stallion The Quran comes from the 4 men who create 8 versions of this so-called holy book which it is not if their once exist 7 other variations.

[@kriskhinson443]

You are absolutely correct - modern science has confirmed that the moon settles in muddy pool of water, camels urine is the best medicine by the wisdom of prophet Muhammad and we no longer have a full moon since the prophet cut it in half. He performed no miracles and yet he travelled on a winged horse from Mecca to Jerusalem (the only gateway to heaven) in the deep of the night to visit heaven. The novel has been collaborated by the only witness, the crescent moon. Please stop kidding yourself and seek the truth. You dare to call Christians and Jews pagan?

[@azhaz6814]

These books (Quran) are the same. the type of Arabic writing is different. If you bring any Arabic speaking to read any of these books (Quran ).

[@rockyabdoellah431]

Taqqya is my life (islam)

[@Juli-nf3yy]

Taqiyah is part of syi'ah, and syi'ah is not part of Islam.

[@karamkrayyem9535]

The Muslim guy doesn’t know what acadimia is or what debate is or what science is or ...,....,....,

[@bowrudder899]

James Whites discusses this debate, starting at the <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1880">31:20</a> mark in his show: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIK8q3mbiMafq6M

[@deen4857]

how many times they want to prove something that is not true.because they find now many many mistakes in the bible they bring the quraan.and if you are really honest with yourself you will admit that the quran is and was the same .go and look how we read it all over the world the same way .please stop this kind of discussion and pay more attention with the bible and lisning to Bart Ehrman and read the whole bible then you will come to know .

[@asjadsalman348]

Stop being a hypocrite and look and your own religion critically p.s im a muslim

[@deen4857]

@@asjadsalman348 brother first learn how to address others please, i am looking MY religion very critical but the so called evidence they come with are just childish. I want to know what in my comment made you to think i am a Hypocrite?? try to address people nicely ,calling names is a sign of weakness. If i have made i mistake you can address that in a better way.

[@AllaahuAkbar60]

We Muslims recite the Quran in our five daily prayers and therefore there is no chance of adulteration into the verses of the Holy Quran..The Quran has remained unchanged ever since it was revealed to mankind from Allah.....

[@travescolt7389]

@Rory The Red you know Bart erman

[@asjadsalman348]

@@travescolt7389 - Stop being a bigot p.s im a muslim

[@travescolt7389]

@@asjadsalman348 I am not

[@theguyver4934]

@@travescolt7389 - OK but you being childish

[@mayankbadola23]

Power proved it scientifically and with arguments that N number of versions found, and had different interpretations based on dots.

[@eddiemorris17]

show this to everyone,to show how weak islam is

[@dose143]

Lol, you think it's your fake bible that gets update like an Iphone every once in a while.

[@kriskhinson443]

Since the Word (Yeshua - Christ Jesus) of Yahweh (God/Allah) was not originally given in English, people will work to improve the translation and update the Holy Bible as language evolve. Yahweh (God/Allah) Himself wrote the Ten Commandments which formed the foundation of the written Word. You can continue to blaspheme His Name as much as you want, its your call.

[@Ra-yt2ed]

Muslim Bloopers-Telling what they really believe- Must see

[@kepitingrebus1890]

The Shayk is an Imam (leader in prayer) not a scholar. He can't argue Quran is well preserved proved by Birmingham script. Bible has no original

[@anthonytan7134]

funny logic...should not an Imam understood his faith ??? didn't Allah say in surah al hijr 9 that he would guard his Quran ????? and then he should defend it ???? with evidences ???

[@kepitingrebus1890]

@@anthonytan7134 Imam understood Quran as word of God and preserved through memorization. But Imam is not a scholar who can debate over historical manuscripts.You need a scholar like Dr Shabir Ally.to explain tat stuff.

[@anthonytan7134]

@@kepitingrebus1890 Let's find the definition of "imam" first for fair discussion, otherwise we will have different perception... An imam (Arabic: إمام; Persian: امام) is an Islamic leader, often the leader of a mosque and/or community. Similarly to spiritual leaders, the imam is the person who leads the prayer during Islamic gatherings. More often the community turn to the mosque imam, if they have an Islamic question. In smaller communities an imam could be the community leader based on the community setting. Shia Islam uses the term differently. Shiites give the title to only the one true leader of all the faithful. ...wikipedia Do you think that this is fair definition ?

[@kepitingrebus1890]

@@anthonytan7134 This is some parts of your definition: the imam is the person who leads the prayer during Islamic gatherings This is my first comment: he Shayk is an Imam (leader in prayer) So some parts your definition fit with my description. I just use google for quick english definition: i·mam /iˈmäm/ noun: imam; plural noun: imams the person who leads prayers in a mosque. So Imam is the person who stand in the front most in the mosque leading the prayer. Now compare any of those definition with definition of scholar. schol·ar noun: scholar; plural noun: scholars a specialist in a particular branch of study, especially the humanities; a distinguished academic. "a Hebrew scholar" archaic a person who is highly educated or has an aptitude for study. Normally Imam knowledgeable about general islamic law, the do' s n donts, may be also some hadiths They're not bothered with ancient manuscripts. So if you talked about Quranic Manuscripts, you need to find an islamic scholar like Dr Shabir Ally or Dr Yasir Qadhi. then you got balanced adversary. Regardless the assumptions on whether or not the Imam is knowledgeable. Its not apple to apple . pairing up an imam with a scholar.Unless it just for the purpose of "a show"😁😄😆

[@anthonytan7134]

@@kepitingrebus1890 So this imam is not really very smart to accept the debate challenge 😁😄😆 ! ha ha He should stay and just leads prayer in his mosque ! ha ha I like your idea bro Btw have you watched Sahbbir or Yasir Qadhi about their comments about preservation of the Quran ? Search and find out, you will find it interesting. Byeeee

[@cheicknacamara651]

He completely destroyed the Bible and Bernie with it 😂 this man is phenomenal, In the last minutes of his opening statement . 😂 thanks bro , your brother from west Africa. And Othman was a direct apostle who fought alongside the prophet pbuh . Whereas the Bible oh man. Who are the authors? Who wrote it ?

[@asjadsalman348]

Bigot and nothing more that's what you are get a life and do your own research check out voddie baucham and other who have taken the time to study the al kitab and realize it's reliability. If you have a problem with trinitarian doctrine then i can understand but there are christians who believe that jesus is no more then a human a prophet but a human non the less point hate the people not the greed p.s im a muslim

[@cheicknacamara651]

Asjad Salman May God reward you !

[@cheicknacamara651]

Asjad Salman I know the truth hurts but you’ve gotta take it in , take it in ,the Bible wouldn’t be an authentic Hadith in Islam if you were Muslim you’d know that . So 😂 and I didn’t say anything about the divinity of Jesus pbuh , or the trinity. Again if you were Muslim you wouldn’t forget the pbuh that follows the mention of Jesus pbuh . And a Muslim doesn’t falsely accuse peoples like that . That’s the follower of Paul that behave like that .

[@theguyver4934]

@@cheicknacamara651 - First of all i'm a muslim and i know what the truth is second your not a scholar so don't try to act smart that only disproves your point also it's a sign of arrogance and Allah swt hates such people second did you research such people like daniel wallace & voddie baucham who have done their work on the reliability of the bible even the quran says that the previous scriptures are reliable and is to be read by everyone and there is no where in the entire quran where it says that the previous scriptures is changed. By the which bible do you mean is unreliable the torah & zabur (old testament) or the injil (new testament)

[@anthonytan7134]

But the topic is about if the Quran being preserved !!!!! ha ha ha

[@unitedsoulsnetwork2619]

So according to muslims the poetry of the Quran makes it God's word and because some kids memorized it..wow! 🤣🤣🤣