Has The World Gone Ugly? | Andrew Klavan

[@alexjurado6029]

Truth is beauty because God is both. Divine Simplicity.

[@DrJordanBCooper]

Yes.

[@kaymoto4023]

Having experienced nonstop lies in the last two years, I believe to my core truth is beauty. So much so that you crave it & become depressed when it is withheld.

[@robynmarler3839]

Yes.

[@Anyone690]

Because it is experiential just like the forgiveness of sins

[@laramatthews2082]

We get so lost "trying to understand a philosophy instead of getting to know a man" when reading the Gospels. Very good point

[@stevenwiederholt7000]

Which is one reason I watch The Chosen.

[@Puma5]

POV: The Truth and Beauty is a person.

[@mommas2470]

My favorite pastor told us years ago that "Jesus told us to turn the other cheek, but he never said that we couldn't duck...You don't have to continue to stand there and take abuse for the enjoyment of others ".

[@davegreene1198]

Good point. He also told the apostles they would have to sell their cloaks and buy swords. There is dycodamy in Truth.

[@per-arnemoa103]

@@davegreene1198 where is that written in the NT?

[@glampreda3803]

I LOVE Andrew Klaven! He's so smart funny and handsome!! I'm waiting for his book. Thank you Michael for having him on your show, Andrew is amazing.

[@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13]

"I taught myself how to read Koine Greek" Okay now you're just showing off Andrew. I'm too stupid for this conversation.

[@ellamaria187]

😂😂😂

[@mommas2470]

🤗

[@slimeronio]

I'm a bit skeptical of his claim, how long to learn old greek?

[@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13]

@@slimeronio yeah... Although I have no reason to think Andrew would straight up lie and he seems like a genuinely honest man from all accounts... Part of me would like to see him prove it.

[@DropAnchor1978]

Reminds me of the 1966 Batman show, where Bruce Wayne is playing 4D chess with Dick Grayson, and wins. Dick says, "Gosh, Bruce, how do you do it?" Bruce replies, "Quite simple, Dick; you merely have to think 24 moves ahead". I paraphrased it but you get the idea :)

[@dwaynehicks3867]

I love listening to smart people, I'm no dumb dumb but when you listen to smart people like Petwrson and Klaven, I know I'm getting smarter, not cocky but more understanding

[@robynmarler3839]

Definitely x

[@izzydeadyet7336]

Dum dums dont watch this stuff

[@Fortior.]

One of the most important things I have taken away from listening to hundreds of hours or Dr Jordan Peterson, is that within beauty, lies a truth. I'm sure as he would say, these beautiful things are meta-truths. A truth so deep that mere mortals cannot barely comprehend it in a single lifetime. In fact, few amongst us are so profound as to even attempt understanding these truths. It can take generations to unfold such things, and try to explain them in something as simple as an oral story, let alone a great painting or poem. A great artwork is by nature beautiful. What makes it beautiful is the profound truth it explores.

[@alexalexalex797]

Exactly. Its also prevalent in art. For something to be beautiful it has to convey some form “truth” which speaks to you. Whether its by its artistic beauty and details or what its portraying. That is objective beauty. Throwing dog poop and vomit on a canvas, is not ART. Neither is a bunch of swear words with no rhyme or reason. As much as anyone wants to pretend it is, it simply ISNT art in any way. Its nothing but vanity

[@BobbyMack]

“The truth and beauty-a truly beautiful book.”

[@graceforsarah]

Love this conversation; thank you! Looking forward to learning through this book. I have a curious observation of my own. I often get the same small shiver as I hear someone speak a truth (that is often unpopular to think), or hear stunning pure music, or see something beautiful, be it a sunset, movie, painting.. like it reflects something of God’s character, who is the author of truth. The opposite happens, a shudder, when hearing lies or ugly actions or words. Not always, just sometimes! Just sayin 😏

[@michaelsparks8632]

Beautifully put Sarah!

[@peskylisa]

I completely understand where Andrew Klavan has been. I've been there, myself.

[@howtubeable]

I've seen the similarities between our time and the French Revolution too. The revolution went too far in destroying the past, and the new order was impractical and unworkable. But the revolutionaries created a void which was filled by a military leader, Napoleon Bonaparte. I also see similarities with Cromwell's Puritan Commonwealth in England. When Cromwell died, the radicals were no longer able to keep power. The English were more than happy to enter the Restoration Period.

[@treytison1444]

Progress at the expense of all logic.

[@CyborgNinja7]

I also see similarities to the French Revolution. It's rather disturbing. If we forget our past, we sabotage our future.

[@salmonkill7]

Very insightful, thank you!

[@pdworld2418]

the French revolution which was the start of Marxist style revolution? not something we want similarities too

[@jaspermcminnis5538]

You know why CHAZ changed their name to "CHOP"? Because of those guillotine executions during the French Revolution. There was a video that was uploaded by someone in CHAZ, with a man telling the CHAZ people about the name change. He mentioned guillotines and the French Revolution.

[@tubelarr]

I nominated Klavan for Secretary of Education but no one listened to me.

[@johannakunze3300]

Good start. I add Jeremy for Secretary of Treasury, Candace for Health, Ben for secretary of state. The other ones are tough though..

[@NMemone]

@@johannakunze3300 Matt Walsh for Secretary of Homeland Security, Michael Knowles for Ambassador to Italy 😁

[@richb313]

Thanks for the Book Andrew and this episode Michael

[@Morning-doom]

“Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance “ is a novel that also deals with what is Truth, what is Beauty…

[@AaronMiller-rh7rj]

I did not realize that Andrew Klavan is so intelligent.

[@yoylos3p]

He is! I was actually thinking that the Daily Wire truly has the most fantastic and bright team!

[@yourboyozzy1885]

Hey Michael love to see you on the new mass for ages trailer. Keep up the great work.

[@robert5976]

I preordered his book a week or two ago, it’s going to be really good

[@FreshJordans507]

added to my reading list! Only 137 books in front of it!

[@clamum9648]

I'll have to check out this book at some point, thanks for sharing. I'll add it to my wishlist so I don't forget. I'm not a Christian but I'm interested and open. Currently reading "Mere Christianity" from a recommendation from Johnny Doyle.

[@talithakoum3922]

_Mere Christianity_ , and pretty much everything else by C.S. Lewis, is excellent.

[@thesapphire_standard7534]

Same, I have the audiobook. I am a Christian tho, I just want to learn more. Once you have Faith reason and power are secondary.

[@seanleith5312]

How to complement your close friend, and do it naturally...

[@cominatrix]

My interest has always lain with visual and architectural art but I've become more interested in literary art lately. My last frontier so to speak really is poetry. I have read and I continue trying to read it but it still evades me some. It's possible that I lack the context to appreciate what is being spoken of but it's also possible that I am simply far from understanding it yet. I think the idea of viewing these works with the mind that many of them are in fact related to the vision, the interpretation, the idea of God and by extension beauty may well be helpful. I do very much believe in beauty that is not related to taste necessarily and I want to engage more. Thank you for the discussion.

[@julesverne2509]

Being an artist myself, currently practicing the art of bonsai but art of many forms. I dont make something just to produce a piece of art. I can't even make something if I'm not feeling it speaking to me even before I start. That goes for trees, drawings, paintings it doesn't matter.

[@mjsova5992]

I learned about these poets and ideas in my public high school literature class my junior year. I wonder if it's still in the curriculum. I was amazed at all the biblical allusions in the works we studied.

[@Morning-doom]

Absolutely love this🥰

[@Melissa-gn3dv]

I guess part of letting Jesus' light shine through us is to create more beauty. This inspires me!

[@annam8360]

I want to read this book now. Very true about the knee jerk reactions to what Jesus says in the Bible. I kind of want to read it as a novel as he did to get to know the man. I vaguely remember there being a book about Jesus' sense of humor that was good too.

[@prestonowens4594]

Yeah, man I don’t know. From where I sit most people don’t even think beauty exists. Maybe it’s cause I’m working a low-skill position in a factory, but asking these questions that Andrew is raising here only seems to get me ignored by my coworkers. I’ve become the typical liberal arts major janitor. It’s a very lonely life. I feel like an alien. It seems like it’s better to simply not ask such questions or else you’ll just alienate yourself from those around you. Once while clocking out a coworker mentioned she was reading a book about angels and demons, and I asked her if she believed in such things herself, and she just said, “I just go with the flow”. I asked her what that meant and the response was just for her to look at her phone and end the conversation. I think most people could not care less whether there’s a God, or Truth or Beauty. Certainly that’s been my experience. It makes me kinda sad, and again I feel like an outsider.

[@hhoi8225]

First mistake: trying to socialize with co-workers. ;) Unless you find someone there who is excited about those kinds of conversations, it's okay to assume a lot of co-workers are just NPCs you should be polite to. They are not your friends or even really your peers. You're going to have build or join a community, informally. It takes time to develop real friendships, and to find people who want to discuss existential things even if you're not particularly friends. Being grounded in a community will help you notice when people you encounter randomly also seem to be the kind that don't mind deep or challenging conversations.

[@prestonowens4594]

@@hhoi8225 thanks for the reply. Yeah it probably is a mistake to engage. It just kinda hurts seeing other people interact and laugh during the workday while I kinda just get tolerated. It’s hard not to take it personally, especially when I try to be friendly. You’re right though, I do need to find a community. Anyway, thanks again and happy Easter to you.

[@hhoi8225]

@@prestonowens4594 Happy Easter! And as I would say to my son, people having fun without you is not a reflection on you. It's okay that not everyone is friends with the same people. When you do start to find a few kindred spirits, you'll appreciate them that much more for not just casually including you on the basis of politeness alone. ;)

[@mjsova5992]

You are not alone.

[@prestonowens4594]

@@mjsova5992 thank you. I often feel alone though. I am getting very fed up with being underemployed here. Although admittedly there’s probably zero demand for artists and such in our world. Which is weird because you’d think with the increasing amount of leisure time in the western world, we’d be pursuing such things more so. Anyway, I’m sorry for rambling. I hope you’re doing okay.

[@cherise5222]

“It is amazing how complete is the delusion that beauty is goodness.” Leo Tolstoy

[@runebird]

Mr. Knowles and Klavan, I am not a religious man. I grew up a Christian, and through experience, and other people, my views have changed. I am borderline agnostic/atheist. Does that make me a bad republican?

[@519djw6]

*I have never been able to "warm up" to Wordsworth after reading that he dismissed Keats's "Endymion" as "a pretty piece of paganism."*

[@NG-dc2pk]

Love Metternich's pic !

[@lldjslim]

Everything WOKE turns to shit So yes

[@bevie29]

To all the dear friends at the Daily Wire, a Disney TV movie really good to watch with family, children ages 4-12yrs. Moochie and the Little League(1959) The real Walt Disney.It is on KZbin.Realistic of those times.. I was 10 yrs old. It has the Skipper from Gilligans Island in it.

[@Jer.616]

Watching this 5 days after "the slap" and you talking about turning the other cheek is making me giggle.

[@Skaterofficial1]

Answer: yes.

[@julesverne2509]

I think I need this book.

[@julesverne2509]

I know I need this book.

[@fkapps]

With these two in it, the answer is apparently yes.

[@jamiecox3163]

Praise the Holy name of God ..amen

[@barbaralamort2553]

And God is good!

[@brabham74]

I expected psychobabble here. But, to be honest, Klavan actually said something Intresting.

[@joshuahadley776]

Why were you expecting psychobable?

[@brendansheehan6180]

How fortunate that Andrew could read the Bible without any assistance from any authority. That would make him an authority. Hoorah!

[@DrJordanBCooper]

Oh hey I wrote a book on this.

[@johnreddick7650]

@5:32 I'm a bit surprised that Knowles didn't call Klavan out on his assessment of the English Romantics as the "six greatest poets who ever lived." Has Klavan never heard of Dante Alighieri? The entire output of the English Romantics doesn't measure up to a single canto of the Commedia. I would say Klavan has once more fallen prey to his habitual Anglophilia, but, to be candid, I wouldn't call the Romantics even the top six English poets. Leaving aside Shakespeare (who ranks with the great Classical poets and with Dante as the world's, or at least the West's, finest), I should say the Beowulf poet, Chaucer, Spenser, Milton, and Pope easily best the Romantics, with Dryden and Tennyson, and possibly Langland and the Gawain poet, being at least as good. (I pass over Americans, Irishmen, Scots, Welshmen, etc., writing in English.)

[@hhoi8225]

I think, if pressed, Klavan would not exclude those creatives from the "great" group. But he has a well-documented fondness for English Romantics. So it makes sense that that's where he would concentrate.

[@frostedsleet3124]

How about highlighting The Peoples Convoy.

[@bethanyb4478]

I have always wondered how atheists explain the sense of beauty. Beauty in humans can be explained by the presumed evolutionary imperative to pick a healthy, fertile mate to produce healthy offspring, but what about nonhuman or even inanimate beauty? Why are birds, animals, and insects beautiful (some of them)? Why are lightning, mountains, trees, rocks, and ocean waves beautiful?

[@thomaspomeroy5678]

You mention Cooldridge and woodsworth, what are the other four poets? You mentioned 6 Romantic poets.

[@ctvtmo]

"I'm not going to listen to St. Paul?!" Why would someone say that when Christ's own promise is that all Scripture is His Word? There are parts of this book that sound very interesting but from this interview there seems to be the smell of the problem of "red letterism." I had to cringe when Klavan said, "It's all about you." No sir, it's all about Christ.

[@carinnovick2995]

I agree! Need to listen to all scripture.

[@michaelbarbera6222]

So, you’re saying “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” is wrong?

[@touchoflight124]

Can't take klavan seriously in terms of theology when he believes gay marriage isnt a sin

[@seanleith5312]

True. Dave Robin should go to hell.

[@averagechadlegionary5824]

Can’t take you seriously when you sound like a hypocrite.. If they’re going to hell then by that logic so are you for committing the sin of hate. Don’t act as if you a petty human speaks for god BC that’s a disrespect as no MAN can claim to know what he thinks.

[@RoninCatholic]

@@averagechadlegionary5824 "Waah waaah, someone called out the sins I support! This means they're hateful, so _they're_ going to hell! So there" That's not how this works, bud.

[@averagechadlegionary5824]

@@RoninCatholic Doesn’t work like y’all are claiming either, people like you prove those SJW quacks right.

[@touchoflight124]

@@averagechadlegionary5824 who talked about hate? I like klavans take on politics and culture. I just can’t take him seriously when he speaks about faith and doctrine as he supports gay marriage

[@pdworld2418]

coming from Klavan who laughed at the dead sailors from the USS Liberty

[@Chosen.Forgiven.Blessed_]

Matthew 13:11 New King James Version He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

[@stevenwiederholt7000]

A couple of years ago a guy asked my Is There Really such a thing as Truth? I picked up a baseball bat and told him "Here's The Truth. This Is Going To Hurt A Lot." :-) Or as Frank Turek says "Is It Really True There is No Truth?"

[@nicolechannel3302]

“There is nothing new under the sun” human nature and history are circular and repeating. Just read Chronicles and Kings of the Old Testament. The Israelites constantly cycled. And we still cycle.

[@redpillcertified]

Q: What do you call an author who writes a Blank Book? A: An author.

[@ironymatt]

21:36 - "they (quotes) actually come from somewhere - people made them up" Hmmmmm.... To paraphrase even more from The Princess Bride, I do not think that statement says what you think it says. :-)

[@binghamguevara6814]

Yeah

[@nugz1875]

The left is ur answer. Y E S !

[@jonathanlandin1484]

in new york

[@kiteenglish7949]

Please stop the apology tour. I read philososhy with fear because I knew I would change my views.

[@ronaldvanleeuwen8337]

Michael ......if you keep reading books,you're stealing time from us.... To enjoy you,I mean... Please,keep reading to a minimum,for instants only on the toilet!! The more time you have to informe us..... I ,myself,never read a book.... Busy watching you 🤗

[@laramatthews2082]

Truth is beauty #asGODcreated Wtvr falls short is perverted or due to a perversion/twisting/compromise of something else

[@joshuaw2652]

❤️♾️🙏♾️❤️

[@kiteenglish7949]

Klaven likes Knowles; he doesnt like Benjie and the Wking-Jeremy (perhaps not a God name). In spite of that Klay man is pro gaming- a complete waste of time so I doubt his views on culture. Good food for thought. Blake anyone?

[@justicewokeisutterbs8641]

Yeah, I remember the 60's. The "Age of Aquarius"? It was the age of bullshit. The only good thing that came out of the 60's was the space program.

[@RoninCatholic]

The 60s were almost as bad as the 70s.

[@theirthereandtheyre2947]

Don’t forget muscle cars.

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

What about the Beatles, the Kinks, and the Rolling Stones?

[@justicewokeisutterbs8641]

@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 Meh. But the Three Stooges, Little Rascals, Tarzan movies and classic Universal Studios monster flicks were all on TV regularly. 😃

[@coreyb1295]

Andrew Kraven reminds me of a bird

[@UnremarkableMarx]

Eagle

[@lldjslim]

Yes even the cars they drive have gone WOKE and became UGLY

[@mallow2902]

YES. The majority of modern cars, especially American ones are boring at best and ugly at worst. EVs especially are hideous on all levels. Take me back to classic JDM sports cars like the Supra, S2000, and RX-7 please.

[@lldjslim]

@@mallow2902 Yes definitely that era of cars styling had a more conservative approach, they kept it basic and simple

[@mallow2902]

@@lldjslim Plus they just had these really nice to look at and flowing designs that were simultaneously attractive and aggressive. Not to mention those cars were so open to customization by people into tuning and custom body work. I really want an S2000 someday...

[@kiteenglish7949]

Ywank will not let me edit so BJ and BJ -do you like BJ?

[@artemirrlazaris7406]

What is beauty? Men obsessed with the data display of women, lured upon to take them in heat, to prolong the inevitable decline a facade against hope this tranquil sleep, Aye, the Sirens song. What is beauty? Eye to Aye of the beholder... The animalistic nature of mans wit to man is a deception upon man itself, a degradation to what truth is, in simple a travesty of truth. What is the indelible nature of beauty? Not the fleeting mortal strands cast asunder to beseech'd a frown... upon where to each wears their own crown? Aye, this is not the eye of the beholder to that which is indelible. Beauty.. at the point of interval in the animal perspective of which is a self centered means, so the outside realm, of purity what is it; kindness is to exist with or without our animal spirit... love to exist with or without humanity. These things within this galaxy are but stared rubies glistening their insatiability of existence!~ Truly then these things are indelible as is to wicked and cruel, things they exist within the state in which imbalance perpetuates! So is then not the things indelible beautiful the permanence of these things exist without any of us! Without even life or the universe they too still exist! So, then even without a stage to perform the means of the indelible still too exist! Morals... a mans obstacle to a fruitless pursuit, a place where the ignorant dwell because they know not of anything but before their eyes. The loathing self gratifying stupor of the most gruesome thing... simply a program existing to not know itself, therefor nothing of it is true, simply the veneer and wash.. a plain thing seen through... Now in hindsight we are drawn unto these things for the benefit thereof us, so we then should gather and make these things upon life and then continue that pursuit of the indelible the true beauty of all existence before existence! Beauty is not so much as to the beholder, aye, its of the things in which are the strings of immortal structures of existence. To be ... or not to be. such elegance to perform upon our stage; the significance of our ignorance! Have mercy on us old fools... have mercy on us; young, young indeed.

[@gregy1570]

if you believe the depravity of some cliche like shelley was the result of his atheism - AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER WAY AROUND - you're naive and a fool

[@geneticsmatter3834]

Michael "Race is only skin deep" Knowles is here to tell us about traditionalism, okay...

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

...Race is NOT only skin-deep? And what does that have to do with traditionalism anyway?

[@rockycomet4587]

Yup. And it's glorious!

[@fubokuen]

How crazy to 'find Jesus through literature'... Jesus has less to do w/ literature than anyone...

[@fubokuen]

Jesus never carried scriptures. HE is The Word. Christianity is NOT a Religion of the Book. When he caught his disciples poring over scriptures he scolded them, saying the only real ones were prophecies of Him and TA DA! Still, the printing press was invented especially to print The Bible, which is, basically, fan fiction, written mostly by a 'converted' Pharisee..., except the Gospels where Jesus warns against Pharisees and their leavening, or puffing up, of doctrine...