Has the Yamaha MT125 been knocked off its perch by the Voge R125?

Has the Yamaha MT125 been knocked off its perch by the Voge R125? Let’s try both bikes. Which bike looks better? Which motorcycle goes the fastest. Which bike has the better performance? You may be shocked by the result. I was!
Thanks as always to In2moto for letting me take these 2 bikes out. If you’re looking for a new or used 125 then they are the place to go. www.in2moto.co.uk
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[@dubsnbuds6668]

What i dont understand is why they dont make all 125cc to have full 15bhp , surely a few extra bhp dont cost that much more to produce,and more importantly it should at least be able to maintain the speed limit of 70mph here in the UK

[@GillyBikes]

100% my thoughts as well. So many with 8 to 12 hp. I have no idea why they make them so powerless.

[@Rogueonepigeon]

12hp is fine and in fact might perform better than some 15hp bikes depending on power to weight ratio. I agree that anything lower than 10hp is not going to be doing much outside of town.

[@Rogueonepigeon]

The difference between 12 and 15hp is gradients, a 15hp can maintain it's speed much better up hills as it has the extra power to push whereas the 12hp will see a bigger drop in speed, I've had both and to be honest the only scenario where this is beneficial is on a motorway(for A category license holders) however for an extra 2grand plus I doubt people will really feel they are getting value for money performance wise unless they opt for a sportsbike, especially when you can find some new 300-500cc bikes only £500 more than the Yamaha, also, those bikes are now costing more because of import and marketing costs which have nothing to do with the actual value of vehicle which is closer to 3k in the Asian markets.

[@robg3545]

The rule is defined in the SI unit of power, the kilowatt. The limit is set in European law at 11kW, and 11kW converts to 14.75HP in old money.

[@Rogueonepigeon]

@@robg3545 the 11kw engines are still derivatives of the GN125 12hp version, the difference being is that they have been tuned to push extra power with wider carbs, pipes, better combustion, air filtration etc, most 12hp can achieve these extra HP gains if you are willing to make DIY adjustments and pay the extra couple of hundred

[@Toebaksworld]

i learned a lot from this video, i was thinking of buying a MT125 but now i have my doubts . Great video!!

[@GillyBikes]

Thanks. The MT’s are still great bikes. Just very expensive.

[@RR-rk5gj]

You're doing just fine. You're reviewing bikes that few others are, bikes that a lot of young people are considering. I like small motorcycles and I've been curious about a lot of these bikes so I for one appreciate what you're doing. And you're being honest about them. Just look at the Mutt 125 review. Keep up the good work and let the naysayers rant all they want.

[@GillyBikes]

Thanks I appreciate that. I like trying the smaller bikes. A lot of the big KZbinrs wouldn’t touch them. I don’t understand why because everyone starts on a smaller bikes or goes back to them when they get older.

[@RR-rk5gj]

​@@GillyBikes We here in the US don't have any of these bikes, the only small ones widely available are the Honda/Kawasaki mini's. The other ones that are available have to be ordered on the internet so it's a real treat to see dealers that stock them and let you take them out for test rides.

[@TheOmniscientAtheist]

Honda Varadero XL125 - £3000 for a great condition. £1600 for a battered but serviceable one. Beefy AF 15bhp and easily can be tuned. Twin cylinder. loads have upwards of 60k miles on them. Bigger and less plasticky than all of the modern 125's. Trust me lads, best bike.

[@GillyBikes]

Another good option at £3000 👍

[@known8172]

Amazing video, thanks! I really was waiting for that, since I am deciding which of those two I am going to buy in the next weeks. I love that you did ride both with all the same conditions at one day, so you were able to compare the differences of the feeling really good. Also your microphone settings are exactly the same, which allows to compare the sound of the voge and the yamaha perfectly. And the stock voge sound is absolutely amazing for a 125 in my opinion. You don´t get that deep roar with another expensive exhaust on the MT if you leave the DB killer in, since it comes from the airfilter. Now some of my thoughts and information about these two bikes in comparison so far. -The new MT 125 has some benefits like traction control and anti-hopping-clutch, that the voge has not. I personally don´t think that is necessary for a 125 so I don´t care, but everyone has different priorities. -It is possible that the MT 125 performs better at lower revs since it uses VVA. That would fit to the feeling in this video that it is a little bit quicker when you ride it in the city. It´s just a theory. But the speed test here gives a nice indicator that the voge is pretty similar to the yamaha in terms of acceleration. -The engine of the R125 is produced by Loncin (Head of Voge) and they produce engines for some BMW series. So I personally dont question the quality of the motor or Voge at all. All I read on the internet so far is positive, even after more than 10k km. I haven´t read about some red flags in terms of quality or perfomance. If someone has more information, I am really happy if you share them. -Some people say it would be better to change tires quickly on the Voge since they seem to not be the best. Unfortunately it has a more uncommon rear tire size of 140/60-17 instead of 140/70-17, so you might be limited with the amount of brands that produce these. There are still good ones available, but maybe not a Diablo Rosso 3. -For people that wonder: 75 mph is the limit of the voge (limiter kicks in in 6th gear) and that is 69 mph on GPS. I think thats really compareable to the MT 125, since it is also known for not being super precise in that regard. -People say the resale values of a MT are so good. In my opinion that point is just not true, and heres why. Imagine buying a MT for 5500 and riding it 2 years for 12000 km. Now you will be able to sell it for around 4000, since the difference to a brand new model is too low. If you do the same with the Voge, buying it for 3000, you could easily sell it for 1500 after 2 years. Everyone is going to buy it for such a cheap price. I personally think you can sell it for 2000 without any problem. But I just wanted to point out that the "resale value" idea for the Yamaha does not favour you any more in that comparison. If you pay a low price when you buy it, you can resell it for a much lower price and still lose the same in total, even if percentage wise the MT contains more of the original value. -For the MT125 there are much more modifications available so far. Noone knows if that will change over time, but for people who love to customize their bike, they will be more limited with the R125. -I really like both bikes in terms of looks, although I tend to prefere the voge a little bit more and these light strips on the side are a cool feature. -The 2024 MT 125 also has a colour display but I still prefere the ones of the Voge. It is ridiculous that you have a premium bike like the Yamaha that does not give you any information about temperature at all, even if it´s only cooling water temperature... I think that should be a basic. Maybe some people can add things that I forgot. I did not yet decide for sure but I tend to buy the Voge R125.

[@GillyBikes]

Thanks for sharing with everyone. I’m sure a lot of people will find that useful. 👍

[@russellhawkins7466]

Hii new subscriber. I'm looking for a 125, was convinced the Yamaha mt was the bike to purchase. Will now consider the Voge. Only thoughts I have is the longevity I think the Voge will wear due to parts. need to go away and think. thanks for the content.

[@GillyBikes]

You’re welcome. There are so many 125’s out there you have loads to choose from. 👍

[@ZahavaEversley]

The variety of textures in the kislux pack is impressive. From smooth leather to textured suede, there's something for everyone.

[@robg3545]

Great comparison ride there. Yes there may be a difference in the speedo calibration (19 seconds to the tree on the MT, 20 on the Voges), and maybe those extra decibels mean a more straight through exhaust, but as you say, not such a huge difference to account for the price.

[@GillyBikes]

That was it. These bikes are unbelievably close on specs and performance but the Yamaha is nearly twice the price. Other than paying for the rep / name I have no idea why it’s so much more expensive ?

[@cosak23]

maybe gps indicator would be a better comparison than indicated speed , as they are usually out by a few mph .

[@GillyBikes]

Possibly. But just them being similar is impressive considering the massive difference in price.

[@jpbtls]

I bought a zontes firefly back in 2019, I had it 4 years and did 9k miles on it. And It went through 4 winters, wet, dry etc. It was easily the best 125 I ever owned. It was well made and when I sold it (regretted it) it still looked like new. So these little Chinese bikes are good if U look after them.

[@GillyBikes]

That’s the key. Look after them and they will last. 👍

[@DunkelBisBunt]

To be fair, the first thing coming to mind that is not identical is Yamaha's VVA technology. Still, I would not be so crazy about the added performance that I would ignore the better value for money that the Voge offers.

[@benjihutch24]

Some of those vibrations on the Voge might disappear once it's got a few more mile on it. Very impressive little bike, have you riden the Herald Brat 125? Another inexpensive bike with 14.7bhp.

[@audimanuk]

I bought one 2 mths ago, looks great feels great but it’s a slow ass ride for sure, maybe a few more miles on the clock will make a difference but at the moment it just bogs out well before it red lines, max I’ve had is 55mph, oh and every spec I’ve seen says it’s just 14hp !

[@drdoolittle5724]

Good questions raised Gilly, but a very sad subject - decades of Yamaha sublime history compared to supermarket shelf stuff for a few months fun! Thing is, as a teenager on a very tight budget it is a no brainer!

[@christopherpeters2992]

Thanks for the honest review I'm going to buy a voge as im going to be a new rider and it will be a great bike to begin with . After a couple of yes I'll upgrade to a 900. For double the price.

[@GillyBikes]

It would be a great bike to start with 👍

[@lawterian]

I bought the 2024 MT-125 from Yamaha and part of me is conflicted for paying so much but at the same time, not at all. On your point of "Well you're just paying the markup for the badge and name", it's more so the service and build quality, Yamaha has great service and they resell extremely well, even back to the original dealers. If Voge had a large presence in UK, would be perfect for learner riders. One thing I noticed with Chinese bikes is that riders have wiring and spark plug issues after riding in the rain, something that put me off as I too live in rainy UK. Thanks for bringing Voge to the spotlight though! Never heard of them before

[@GillyBikes]

I don’t have any issues with the MT. I genuinely believe they are one of the best 125’s out there. And for a bike that is built in India I think it’s very well made as well. This video was really to showcase just how good the Voge is. For it to get near to Yamaha on build / performance is amazing considering the price. I’ve not heard of any electrical issues with the Voge. Hopefully I won’t either because I bought a Voge 300 Rally. Had it 12 months with no issues so far.

[@mikereed7887]

Interesting comparison 👍....I would take a punt on the Voge . It's a cheap bike anyway and you are not going to lose a great deal when the time comes to sell . 'Chinese' bikes have certainly come a long way over the last few years. Have you tried the Lexmoto RSS Street 125 ? ...from memory I think it as roughly the same horse power....and buy the way , you are MILES BETTER than the 'Flippenden Flyer' 😉👍 Another great review. Cheers 👍

[@GillyBikes]

Cheers I appreciate that 😊

[@brianm2677]

Great video, a strong contender. Do you think you could get your hands on a Peugeot PM-01 to review?

[@GillyBikes]

Thank you. If I see one I will try and get a ride 👍

[@Matt-cl2qr]

i had a look at the voge 125 & it looks great for the money but the deal breaker was the way the basic suspension is designed means you cant get a lowering kit for it, you would need a shorter shock or a custom seat. the MT is super tall for a 125 but you can get lowering links & lowered seats for it. We settled on a kawasaki for my wife in the end.

[@GillyBikes]

How’s she getting on with that ?

[@Matt-cl2qr]

@@GillyBikes yeah really good bike even I like riding it & only £3500 on the road with current deals

[@sammuyingi]

after doing some research i noted the Zontes & Voge motorbike you have reviewed arent common in African countries(apart from South Africa),those bikes mainly are targeted for the European market & are considered premium.what is commonly found in African countries are not premium quality Chinese made bikes.

[@sidsod1616]

The yamaha is twice the price yet doesn't appear to be twice the bike ,is a name badge worh the difference ,are the warranties comparable, dealer network for parts and servicing etc?

[@GillyBikes]

In the uk now Voge are being brought over by MotoGB. They have loads of shops across the UK. Parts seem to be readily available. Yamaha has been here much longer so they will have more dealerships. It’s definitely not twice the bike. I would say on quality you could maybe justify a few hundred £ more expensive but certainly not double.

[@michaelwade1092]

Good review enjoyed it. Am i correct in saying the Voge comes with a 4 year warranty? Im assuming both would be 100mpg or over 24mpl which is very economical,maybe worth having one instead of a second car, especially with fuel prices and greedy councils with LEZ I think 125cc is great for big citys with 30/40 mph roads and an odd short blast on a national now and again.

[@GillyBikes]

I believe the Voge comes with a 2 year warranty

[@michaelwade1092]

@@GillyBikes OK fair enough, i thought it was longer.

[@GillyBikes]

It’s pretty much the same as other bikes. Shame really. They should be like Kia and offer a 7 year warranty. 👍

[@margusjuur7881]

Why did you throttle down before the bend with Voge? It was about to make 60 but you let go.

[@GillyBikes]

The test is getting to 60 before the bend. Once I get to the bend I ease off because it failed. It was still a good performance out of it though.

[@timopartanen7262]

Looks good for the Chinese bike, but before deciding to buy one, should look for the video for test of Chinese and Japanese motorbike engines, where the new engines were ran for identical period of time. Then the oil was pulled and sent to a lab for analysis. The oil from Chinese engines contained considerably more metal residue than the Japanese ones. Only time will tell does the Voge engine last long enough.

[@GillyBikes]

Voge make the engines for a lot of Japanese / European bikes so I don’t think that would apply to these.

[@timopartanen7262]

@@GillyBikes Did some research on Voge and watched 1 year ownership review by "Garys biking adventures". Overall looks to be pretty solid. Gary recommended to change the tyres right away. Voge probably is pretty good choice for teenagers first bike. I would still go for used Yamaha at same price range. Can get good deals at the end of the season. Or buy used Voge and save even more money...replacement engine was 700 euro if it comes to that.

[@Peachybundah]

I got a 2022 zontes zt 125u and honestly haven't had a single problem with it just gotta look after it

[@GillyBikes]

Absolutely. They are great bikes as well.

[@dacentabaal]

I was gonna get a Voge, but opted for another Zontes G1 since its better all around and has a much better seating to handlebar position (you don't feel like the handlebar is in your waist like the Voge/KTM Duke and feel like you're gonna go over the handlebars and kiss tbe front wheel)

[@GillyBikes]

I think that might be a height thing? I didn’t have an issue with the bars but I’m small 😭

[@duncanwallace5400]

The big problem is insurance, my wife at 50 on a provisional, the MT125 is £235 & the R125 is £986. So you will soon eat that saving & it won't hold it's money as well as the Yamaha. It's a shame, it seems all Chinese bikes are way more expensive to insure.

[@GillyBikes]

Wow. I would have thought they were similar priced for insurance. Thanks for sharing that. 👍

[@orkharrid7065]

My lad fell into the trap of buying the MT. Overall cost with all the trimmings, £6300! that doesn't count gear or insurance; just the bike. He's paying £140 a month for 4 years. Bare that in mind. Great bike, but I think Yam is fleecing the young and upcoming in the 125 market.

[@GillyBikes]

Because it’s the bike they all want. For what he paid he could have nearly 3 R125’s.

[@SeveralChaptersChannel]

6 grand you could buy yourself a used mt07 with low miles

[@TheOmniscientAtheist]

@@SeveralChaptersChannel pointless comparison because you can't have an MT07 on L plates. You can get a very good circa 2000 CBR600F for £2000 better value then an MT07

[@captricharddee3634]

It's not what you spend buying the bike, it's what it is worth when you sell it. Yes, it maybe more expensive but should be worth more after a period of time. One other thing, some mainstream dealers won't take in Chinese bikes.

[@GillyBikes]

It will be worth more, but it would have also lost more. So from a financial point it’s better to lose less money ?

[@CT9904-CT]

Not sure if it’s the same as this once as I’ve heard others achieve more but my friends voge goes 75mph bang on the limiter, I’m thinking with a bigger front sprocket he could achieve speeds of in the 80s. Do you know the stock sprocket sizes for voge?

[@GillyBikes]

I don’t know. Next time I’m in In2moto I will find out for you 👍

[@nickmorgan9345]

The gearing on these smaller bikes will be more of a bearing on acceleration than most other things..even one tooth smaller front sprocket will make the bike accelerate quicker but instead of 70mph top speed, it will reduce to around 65mph?

[@GillyBikes]

That might be a test for another day. Get them both up to 70 on the motorway 👍

[@justkidding9751]

You mentioned the price difference and totally agree with you, but the biggest pull towards the Yamaha is all down to Street cred, this is the most important thing these days, image is everything. Thank goodness we didn't suffer from street cred in the 70s. Great comparison.

[@GillyBikes]

You are correct. Street cred and bikes go together. Brands like Voge have got some work to do but I think they will get there.

[@mikelacross]

I looked at getting an XSR but went for a Zontes GK, main problem being none of the dealers in the area were all that keen to sell Zontes! I would've jumped at the chance to get a VOGE, but they weren't around at the time 😕

[@rfh9560]

After failing to find a good second hand MT125, I ended up getting a 2nd hand XSR125, and I love it. Have had it for nearly 6 months and my only complaint is seat height being a bit taller than I would like (815mm), and the handlebars make me not too comfortable filtering, as they are wide. Not a single person that sees the bike will not comment on how good my red 2021 XSR125 looks, it is very distinctive. I also think the sound matches its neo cafe racer aesthetic better than it does the MT (same engine) with its sports looks. If you can source a used one so you don’t lose too much money down the road, I definitely recommend it

[@GillyBikes]

The xsr looks good as well. 😎

[@garykapuscinski8273]

Lovely review I wonder what GPS would say jus pondering

[@GillyBikes]

It’s a shame I don’t have anything like that. But what I will say is the R125 did feel quicker to 60. The MT was picking up speed after 55 but much slower.

[@PhilipKerry]

@@GillyBikes If you use Google maps on your Smartphone it displays the gps speed , you don't need specialist equipment ...

[@revolutionairsoftphotography]

Id like to see a phone gps speed when doing a speed comparison. Would give a better idea of how much the speedos vary in accuracy.

[@GillyBikes]

Yes. That might be something I will try in the future.

[@CONZRR]

i recently got the 2024 mt-125 and today got 78mph out of it and its fully stock apart from changing the exhaust to a black widow

[@GillyBikes]

I can believe that. When I took one on the motorway it got to 70 mph with no issues at all.

[@bobwhitton678]

I’ve just went from a yzf r125 to an xsr 125 it was either the xsr or the mt kind of thinking I might have been better with the mt as the xsr isn’t as fast if as powerful as my yzf was which is surprising considering they are meant to be the same engine

[@TringmotionCoUk]

eing a Voge going through the block recently it was receiving underwhelming bids at a low offer. However it's unlikely in cash terms you will be out of pocket with the cheasper bike

[@themario7462]

Now as great as both these bikes appear, have you had a try on a Yamaha XSR 125?

[@GillyBikes]

Nope. In2moto do have one though so I might try and get a go on it this week.

[@themario7462]

🤞 would be interested in you’re opinion, having ridden so many smaller capacity bikes and how it compares

[@raman3460]

All new machines are fine. But what I keep hearing is what happens over time.

[@Jason-ke2nj]

Maintainance..and care

[@GillyBikes]

I’ve not heard of any issues from these. So if you look after it, service when you should etc I don’t see why this wouldn’t last.

[@Jason-ke2nj]

@@GillyBikes i had a cheap (lookalike) superbyke ..absolute sh1t3...but..I treated it carefully. It lasted 5 yrs ..🤣🤣..I still feel ripped off.at only £1400 on the road..🫡🤣🤣 .

[@GillyBikes]

@Jason-ke2nj 😂 the best bikes to start on. Something cheap and cheerful.

[@Jason-ke2nj]

@@GillyBikes Lessons were learned.🫡🎓

[@eanbarr35]

Are the parts readily available for both.

[@GillyBikes]

They seem to have a good stock of parts. But from speaking to the guys in the garage they haven’t had any that have come back with issues yet. Just the usual service stuff.

[@CT9904-CT]

The voge is nice, but man you really can’t compare a £2800 bike to a £5100 bike, there are SO many things that make the MT superior.

[@GillyBikes]

You really can compare them though. The same size, same weight, same horse power. Same style. The Yamaha is built in India, the Voge in China. They are a lot closer match than you would ever expect considering the price difference

[@PhilipKerry]

The test ride disagrees with you , the Voge is quicker than the Yammy and it has a nicer display . Anyone who buys the Yammy for double the money over the Voge need to give their head a wobble ...

[@petersmart2894]

It would help if listed a few of the more important things.

[@johnjamesflashman6856]

I think you did a very good job, Thank you.

[@GillyBikes]

Thank you I appreciate that.

[@VenoBeatz]

i honestly think they can get away with the price of the yamie. because its a yamie and it has a good rep and new riders will see this mainly and they have no choice but to pay the prices, they wouldnt research they will see the bike see the brand and go for it, thats my thinking anyway as someone who had the MT for a first bike

[@GillyBikes]

I agree with your thinking, Yamaha have a great rep, however this 125 is not built by them. It’s built in India so the Yamaha reliability and rep is a bit of a stretch when all they have done is put a Yamaha badge on it. Now that being said I do think it is well built but so is the Voge. The only difference is one comes with a big Rep which in this case is undeserved

[@VenoBeatz]

@@GillyBikes honestly your video has made me want to go test ride the voge. Or just straight buy it. But I agree that it’s just the branding that makes the pricing so expensive

[@kevindarkstar]

I'd have thought 60mph on a 125 is almost certainly too much in terms of not pushing it over maybe 70% of total revs 🤔

[@bobwhitton678]

My question would be in reliability and condition over time ie rust

[@GillyBikes]

They have been out in other parts of the world for a while. I believe they are good for reliability.

[@SingermanRyun]

Combining elegance and luxury kislux

[@JHM12324]

can you try an aprillia tuono or rs 125

[@GillyBikes]

I’ve got a video on the tuono kzbin.info/www/bejne/gV6Tpnl8ftVoqbssi=AD0YSAKqVel8VS70

[@Usernamefeeby]

I really like the looks of both bikes but i cant look past that price. the R125 is so cheap compared the the MT. 🤔

[@phileasfogg7804]

Theres no comparison,you would need that big saving for recovery trucks, my sheds full of chinese bikes

[@GillyBikes]

These modern Chinese bikes are not like the old ones. Much, much better.

[@neilmat71]

If you have plenty of money buy the yam. If not, like me get a cheapo 125 (mutt) and save up and get a bigger engine bike .

[@GillyBikes]

I’m not sure I would go as low as a Mutt but what you’re saying makes perfect sense if you want a bigger bike.

[@KaylaYoung1082]

Vogue look nice, but parts for them even basic consumables are about as rare as a chicken feather on a fish.

[@GillyBikes]

That’s not true. Motogb have parts and a big dealership network in the UK. Not forgetting Voge make bikes / parts for other bikes so you could technically use parts from other manufacturers as they would fit 😉

[@KaylaYoung1082]

@@GillyBikes Ah I see.. that's quite the contrast compared to other dealers I spoke about the Voge when I was looking for a new bike :) appreciate your time in replying with your insights :)

[@GillyBikes]

@KaylaYoung1082 dealers that don’t sell them will definitely try to put you off buying one. They will always guide you to one of theirs. Some dealers will also try to upsell you something that’s more expensive because they get more profit.

[@KaylaYoung1082]

@@GillyBikes fair enough.. I'll keep that in mind in a few years when it's time for me to buy another bike :)

[@AutoGaddi]

The issue with Chinese bikes is the longevity isn't there. So many owners complain of issues sometimes even after just a couple months of ownership. Looking on trust pilot Sinnis have 2.4 stars with over 58% of reviews being 1 star. Lexmoto has 2.6 stars overall and 37% are one star reviews. So many owners report issues, thus currently I couldn't buy a Chinese bike. Because of the longevity/ reliability issues. Even if I planned to keep the bike for just 1-2 years, I still wouldn't get one. Also this is a new brand and there's not much info about the reliability of it. I wouldn't risk it. I also presume the dealer network will be rubbish. If I was to spend my money I'd get the Yahmha. Even though its more expensive, there's a peace of mind and the dealer network is brilliant. Also the resale values on bikes is brilliant. (Shame I bought a ktm instead 😂😂)

[@lostgps3005]

I think the issue with 125s and why lots of people gravitate towards the cheaper Chinese ones is they see them as disposable. Have it for a a year or two till you get your full bike licence then sell it so they don't care if it would last as long as a Japanese counterpart. I'm a bit guilty of that myself since I saw a used sinnis outlaw for sale and one of the first thoughts I had was that should last me long enough without major issues till I get my full license which admittedly isn't the best thing to think about a vehicle of any kind.

[@AutoGaddi]

@@lostgps3005 definitely agree with you, most people keep 125cc for 1 -2 years then sell them on.

[@GillyBikes]

@lostgps3005 the way I look at them is if you pay less you stand to lose less. Over a few years of owning the Yamaha will lose £2000 but the Voge won’t. Because it was that cheap to start with. If the Voge loses 50% of its value that’s about £1350 if the Yamaha loses 20% that’s about the same. But the reality is it will lose much more than that. As you lose the VAT when it rides out of the showroom and that is currently 20% so it would lose 20% straight away.

[@GillyBikes]

@BikerBains keep until they get their car license seems to be something I’m seeing more and more.

[@benjihutch24]

​@@GillyBikeswould you chose a new Voge over a used Yamaha for the same money?

[@Jason-ke2nj]

Do they do hp?

[@GillyBikes]

Yes. You would have to contact them for details. 👍

[@bubblehead46]

I would never pay 5000 pounds for a 125 you can get a nice big bike for that price

[@GillyBikes]

Absolutely, but in the UK learners (17yrs old) are restricted to 125’s and stupidly they are prepared to pay that. 🤯

[@Full-Tonk]

I had a Chinese grey import Suzuki 125 and it was like my guitars made in China - crap 😂

[@GillyBikes]

😂. I hope you have upped your guitar game now.

[@ruffleschips9055]

For a few thousand dollars over the price of an mt125, you can get an mt07.

[@SeveralChaptersChannel]

there's roughly 3 thousand pounds difference. to be fair that is a lot of money considering both bikes have nearly the same technology just different engine and size. in the uk we cant get on big bikes until your 21 so our laws are much different to yours assuming your American/Canadian as you said dollars. and in the city a 125 is just enough so that's why most of us ride smaller bikes we don't have to sit the big bike license and still able to ride around

[@ruffleschips9055]

@@SeveralChaptersChannel I understand. Maybe the UK is right. Maybe a 125 is all that is needed for city driving. The UK isn't wrong about everything. It's a beautiful country. Only the government ruins it. That's the way it is for several countries.

[@tek00732882]

RKF smokes them both... ;)

[@GillyBikes]

😂. They are another good value 125 but they are a bit off the pace compared to these 2.

[@kevindarkstar]

28:44 nice to see that shop has one of those lying signs on the wall to your left, 'wheel clamping in operation' no there's not because the use of them on private land is illegal and has been since 2012 in England 😂😂 nice try at bluff guys!

[@GillyBikes]

Well spotted 😂😂

[@pcrrc5102]

😂 It saves a spot for real customers.

[@GillyBikes]

Or a visiting KZbinr 😁

[@kevindarkstar]

Or the question is it's twice as much, but is it actually twice the bike 🤔

[@GillyBikes]

Absolutely not. Pretty much the same.

[@MartyMeatball-n8c]

Paying for reliability

[@GillyBikes]

I’m not sure about that any more.

[@MartyMeatball-n8c]

@@GillyBikes 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 good luck ive went from non realiable spending most of 2 years in garage chinese make bike to a honda and then a yamaha for now four years giong on five later touch wood never a problem as long as u look after them change oil regulerly use better petrol dont run you tank to empty then fill throwing dirt round your engine start and go everytime

[@GillyBikes]

I have a Yamaha myself 😂. I know what you mean. I agree that the Japanese brands to date have been reliable. But the Chinese bikes like Benelli, Voge and Keeway are so much better than what they used to be. The bikes they sell now are worlds apart from the bikes of a couple of years ago.

[@agnosticevolutionist3567]

DID YOU DO A POO AFTER RIDING THE MT,…………THATS THE 1MPH

[@GillyBikes]

😂😂😂 no poo breaks. Jumped off the MT and straight into the R125

[@ruffleschips9055]

I think most motorcycles are way over priced, especially scooters.

[@GillyBikes]

The world we live in. Nothing is cheap anymore. But there are ridiculously expensive and then their are cheaper options

[@clangerbasher]

MT125 is built in India I think.

[@GillyBikes]

Shockingly though so many people just think Yamaha so it’s built in Japan. So many big brands, Yamaha, Harley Davidson, Kawasaki etc all get bikes either made in India / china or the parts are made their. And yet wouldn’t buy a Chinese or Indian bike 🤯

[@clangerbasher]

@@GillyBikes So the MT costs a lot and you are not even getting the built in Japan X factor.

[@Jason-ke2nj]

🫡🫡

[@livinginmyownlittleworldad1905]

Mt looks way better

[@GillyBikes]

I’m sure lots would agree with you. Looks are always a personal thing.

[@livinginmyownlittleworldad1905]

Hey Gilly, that video was really cool! Definitely interesting stuff.

[@GillyBikes]

@livinginmyownlittleworldad1905 thank you. It was a last minute video idea I had while I was sat having a coffee in In2moto. 😁