HASAN PIKER DOING JOURNALISM THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA WON’T

[@Unedited43795]

I had a very good friend who was an inmate fire fighter. He was a genuinely good person, but never had a chance in life and eventually when he was released no fire service would consider him because of a felony conviction. Eventually he fell back into some very dangerous drug use and overdosed on fentanyl. I miss that dude. He served California bravely

[@RealBradMiller]

😞✌️✌️

[@Gorilla_Jones]

He should have ran for president of the United States. 🤦

[@zakaruahbones3142]

What was the felony conviction? Some crimes SHOULD disqualify a person from joining a fire department (e.g. arson)

[@benjones3466]

Damn. If no one is willing to hire the people who've come out of prison having learned a skill and engaged in public service then the justice system is nothing more than vindictive punishment beyond the limits of the sentence imposed. Continue to shun those who've emerged and can you really say their sentence ever ended?

[@themattylee]

FWIW, the US Forest Service does accept inmate fire fighters even with a felony conviction on their record. And they are now eligible to get their records expunged in California.

[@nyaccoon]

Hearing them go "atleast they treat us like people. Atleast they give us some love we never get that. That's all we need" is so fucking sad

[@nobleradical2158]

"But here, We get better treatment, right? They talk to us like humans. (x2) We got a job, We're underpaid but we got a job, you feel me? And then the community comes out, and shows us all kind of love. We never received that growing up. We've never received that kind of love, that kind of recognition, for anything we've done. So now, doing this kinda stuff and all this love coming, that's life changing for a lot of guys. 'cause that's all they been needing, is a little recognition. With this, it's life changing, and we get opportunities at careers."

[@RGCDTB]

​@@nobleradical2158 This country is so fucking awful

[@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper]

Vawsh

[@ShiftylittleDemon]

It's a modern day "the slaves they had were treated well"

[@armondtanz]

Leftist see a wh*te man talkin to blk man... Comments: slaves, slaves, slaves.

[@jameshorton3692]

Bingo

[@atherisGAY]

It's exactly that. They even paid their slaves a few pennies wages. So generous

[@atherisGAY]

"They were allowed to sleep in the house they had it good" "they were paid a few bucks they had it good" it's all the same

[@nikr.5344]

"They learned useful skills so that they could contribute to society and seek fulfilment in hard and honest work, feeling a sense of deep gratitude to God and country. " 😇🙌🙏

[@9000ck]

Just remember Elon Musk is blaming the fires on HARD WORKING POORLY PAID FIREFIGHTERS. Seriously. He thinks that was a good move.

[@angelotro]

It'd be cool to just ignore Musk. Reverse media blackout. Snub City. Who?

[@levihuttner3260]

Cryptolibertarians like Elon Musk denigrate all government institutions to sell private corporations as the solution. Elon Musk wants to privatize firefighting.

[@MadDoodles]

@@angelotroGenuinely what needs to happen, but we’ve gotta keep the outrage news cycle going dontcha know?

[@Edwin-iw8gb]

The blame is lies solely with the leadership Gavin and mayor Bass but also having woman firefighters is a bad idea if someone needs to be carried out they just aren't built for that kind of job

[@teslashark]

Tell him prison firemen is DEI

[@TheXtrafresh]

I'm from the Netherlands. Call me privileged, but this shit is nothing short of barbaric. Anything even CLOSE to this gets exposed here, we'd have national inquiries for years.

[@anthonyrowland9072]

You live in a civilized country.

[@Maxrepfitgm]

That's because you don't have a significant number of what I am / black people. When you have a group you can demonize and blame for everything like America does due to it's multi ethnic nature you can get away wth private Healthcare, slavery etc. If the US was 90 percent white I'm thoroughly convinced we'd have universal Healthcare, stronger worker rights, no private prisons, etc, but people would rather see their own die and suffer then have a black, Mexican, etc man or woman be helped by taxes they pay.

[@DaxBruce-kv4vf]

This is America so yeah 😊 In case you haven’t figured it out we’re gun toting psychotic barbarians cuzzzzzzzzzz Jesus n shit 😅😂😮😢

[@SenorZorros]

@@anthonyrowland9072 Don't worry. The government of the Netherlands is busy changing that. We already have our overcrowded internment camp and they are trying to get a border narrative going.

[@Khalkara]

We'd have inquiries but nothing would be done about it by our right wing cabinets. It may be more civilized but its still horrible.

[@deandredunbar9618]

ironically, these guys are a bigger help to the community than the cops that arrested them.

[@dynamicworlds1]

It's a sick world where the prisoners have a better claim to "protect and serve" than the police.

[@Pesadilla09]

Debatable, but they're still inmates. These are CALIFORNIA prison inmates, not regular inmates. In order to survive and live for your whole 25 year sentence, you have to join an organization within the prison.

[@Wopbobaloobop]

​@Pesadilla09 that's a fault of the prison system. Joining is sometimes their only option. I wouldn't say anyone is better than the other but I do believe in treating people like humans and giving second chances too

[@AxiomofDiscord]

@@Wopbobaloobop I also believe that between 4 and 8 percent of prisoner never did a thing wrong.

[@majesticunicornturle]

​@@Pesadilla09 And even if you are 100% right the statement about them being more helpful is a 100% true onntop of your info

[@butHomeisNowhere___]

I said it in chat, but respect to Hasan for getting out there and engaging with people. I wish Vaush didn't feel like he'd be instantly hated or yelled at if he went out and talked to people in public. I mean, its possible considering all the past drama, but it just seems like he's resigned himself to the fact that he CANT do what Hasan is doing here because he'd get in a fight or something. Just sucks, kinda feel bad for the guy tbh. The Left needs WAY WAY WAYYYY more of this.

[@monokoUwU]

honestly true, my family almost full of convicts so when I heard that vaush said basically I'm retarded for support a way to earn money while in prison and serving a community, I got kinda pissed ngl because clearly he has never had a family member who had gone to prison, never had phone calls from prison from family members asking for money for cleaning supplies, snacks, etc, and when my whole family is on a fixed income and we cant freely send money, sometimes it is best to try and work in prison and keep minds off of things,

[@monokoUwU]

and before you come after me i am native American and white I have seen both justices system I wish that everyone would be treated equal under one justice system but given what we have, and what situation we are in; I don't think that is entire possible without overthrowing the government.

[@SirSmilingPhantom]

@@monokoUwUwhat?

[@shadez123]

Not everyone needs to do everything. If one doesn't feel like they can do this kind of stuff they shouldn't feel obligated to.

[@12pentaborane]

​@@monokoUwU It's more than that, you'd need an entire re-education or a dramatic change in values of the American public. How can inmates re-integrate if no one believes they're reformed?

[@ApexGale]

The point of prison was to dissuade and deter crime. The prisoners are supposed to serve their time, reflect on their actions, and leave with the belief that they will be welcomed back into society and hopefully become a more positive influence on it. Our system instead encourages a "you did something bad once, you will pay for it for the rest of your life." It's no wonder felons become repeat offenders - they literally don't have any options left to them if they don't want to die of starvation, cold, or intense heat.

[@GMZxxx]

Not really, California has free community college for inmates. There's lots of social workers willing to help excons/inmates. There's government support for inmates.

[@anthonyrowland9072]

It's also hard to reflect and repair when you're in a dangerous dehumanization center too.

[@kacidy]

That's supposedly the point. Every iota of data we have shows this isn't how it works. Nobody who commits a crime is doing the calculations like "if i commit x crime, y is the punishment. Is it worth it?" There are 2 reasons people commit crimes: they feel like they have no alternative because society has failed them, and thinking they will get away with it. Some degree of both reasons usually. The severity of the punishment is just not a factor with either of these so deterrence is a non-sequitur. The only effective way to handle corrections is to treat it as rehabilitation and the data supports this fact.

[@Darth_Insidious]

Prison's purpose is to encourage repeat offenders. It's how private prisons make their revenue.

[@lolly1898]

That’s only the point of prisons to the average American. To the private prison owner, the point is to make money. Which, honestly, is the most American thing I can think of. Gotta love the land of the free and the home of the brave.

[@aramilalpha1]

Just did a little searching. Inmate firefighters are legally able to become actual firefighters, but most departments won't hire them because of the stigma against felons. I tried to find some stats about how many firefighters were former inmates or how likely it is they may get hired, and of course no such stat exists. So, probably very unlikely.

[@Ashe_S_]

I'm certain that the standard practice is to have the checkbox asking if the applicant has been convicted of a felony and then automatically toss any out that checked "yes" for it.

[@themattylee]

​@@Ashe_S_In California, inmate firefighters can now have their records expunged. Meaning they no longer have to check the box.

[@imnotmephisto]

yea this is just the line they tell them so they're willing to do the states work for 25 cents an hour.

[@FajitaEata]

Cal Fire hires them which is also the only department that doesn't require any structural fire fighting training which the prisoners don't get

[@ManBearJordan]

@@themattylee Yeah there have been multiple programs to ensure they get firefighter jobs, Cali needs more firefighters always so sometimes they do band aid fixes and hire skilled felons who should really always have an opportunity.

[@Palemagpie]

Ethan Klein gonna be like "Hasan consorted with criminals to set the fires to get me, see"

[@Gorilla_Jones]

When these guys get out they won't be able to get a job at walmart. But they could possibly run for president of the United States. 🤦

[@harborwolf22]

No they can't... They aren't ALSO billionaires with access to powerful people in all levels of government .

[@JohnDoe-kp5dm]

To think i was raised on not comitting crime only for it to be the biggist gateway into wealth, fame, and power

[@RoseStrohm]

@@JohnDoe-kp5dm why do you think people commit crime?

[@ATMOSK1234]

Are there any billionaires in California prisons? Bernie Madoff, Diddy, and SBF were all new york iirc.

[@alexgallagher4594]

In CA you can now become a firefighter after release of you served as one in prison

[@Steven-T]

Firefighter here to give some perspective: *TWO WEEKS* of training is a third of what a typical entry level fire academy course would cover for a city department. Wildlands firefighting typically spans *two months* from what I've heard (very few resources readily available online, haven't seen any first hand sources).

[@erikhendrickson59]

But they're prisoners, with nobody to fight for them, so they will be used & abused unfortunately

[@zannatosduelmont6412]

i did maintenance at a forest protection base in sask and i heard from the guys that if they are asked to go to calli to help out they refuse because of how dangerous it is and unsafe the people in charge are with the crews. i do not know if it is true but that is what i was told among a bunch of falling rock and log stories taking people out.

[@abbaszadeh194]

remember when in war time prisoners were promised freedom of they join the fight and endup surviving?

[@jacobaurelius5361]

I did a season of wild land fire fighting. It’s a lot of otj stuff. You usually have a dedicated guard school, which is the official training that lasts a week long, but your crew will have about a month of training prior to being activated and deployed to fight fires.

[@jacobaurelius5361]

@@erikhendrickson59I’ve actually worked with red hots and they love it, the forest services offers them a good opportunity to get out and do something, they love the job. What’s fucked is the prison system exploiting their hard work for Pennie’s

[@szephyr]

This just proves how poorly the system fails these men. Appreciate what Hasan did here- he humanized them in a way the mainstream would never do.

[@MUSIC7052]

being left is not about being poor. its about being against poverty. thats what Hasan is. And i can respect that

[@ImperialCommissarRikart]

I think sometimes people forget that our goal is to make everyone well off, poverty is what is imposed UPON US. Its not something we should be content with.

[@brendanferris2262]

​@@ImperialCommissarRikart You can't wish away scarcity lmao

[@ImperialCommissarRikart]

@@brendanferris2262 you're right, it's awesome I never said that though 💀

[@Chaoitcme]

Modern day slavery.

[@iam-geoffreytheelite5275]

Yep

[@imnotmephisto]

💯

[@darthbane5676]

It literally is. These guys get a small fraction of the pay regular firefighters get while putting their lives on the line to save the city from a major catastrophe. It’s slavery, but it’s constitutionally protected because it’s considered punishment for a crime. Just don’t think about the circumstances that led a lot of these guys to committing crimes or getting arrested in the first place.

[@haleyspence]

@@Chaoitcme literally surreal but heartbreakingly true

[@AxiomofDiscord]

Only owning people as private property was outlawed. People can still be owned as public property perfectly legal.

[@HolyKingKong]

It is unironically cool for Hasan to do this, everyone being weird needs to stop

[@FlamingNinjaBoi]

But... every day is hate Hasan day... Right?

[@maggazilla]

Hasan doing what his uncle can not, journalism.

[@MM-vs2et]

Yeah, I can imagine the TYT takes already. "Leftists using a desperate national crisis to glorify violent criminals"

[@kdogger]

Holy shit I didn't know Cent was his uncle

[@Feefa99]

Seriously, it's better journalism than for the thousand time seen sensationalist video done by CNN

[@maggazilla]

@ Cent to a dollar!

[@FlamingNinjaBoi]

Oof. Crazy burn. But totally true.

[@achrystalflute]

Respect to Caroline and Hasan for doing this on the ground grass touching journalism. My special thanks to these brave incarcerated folks, you guys are doing gods work and deserve better pay, conditions and reintegration.

[@FlamingNinjaBoi]

Can we just call it 'grass touching journalism' from now on? Cuz a lot of people out here talking about shit they have no understanding over without ever even seeing grass, let alone touching it.

[@RIPdixiecarter]

Vaush is like the anti modern reaction channel. Instead of just sitting there nonchalantly barely offering any commentary or "heading to the bathroom" through the majority of the video Vaush will pause the video for like 25 mins to argue with his chat

[@Fin-gj2th]

He also let's people sit forever before he streams like Hitler let crowds wait, go figure.

[@shaferaustin4068]

Very underrated of him. I was just telling my fiancée how funny it was that Vaush was in a whole argument where the guy was literally paying Vaush to keep arguing 😆

[@DoubleStrike-ye6tw]

He doesn't leave his audience hanging that's for sure.

[@kyosokutai]

@@shaferaustin4068 That was... Literally a Monty Python sketch.

[@hinasakukimi]

@@shaferaustin4068 feels a little inappropriate to watch vaush findom onscreen but here we are

[@eccentriastes6273]

Reminder that when it came out, many critics panned The Shawshank Redemption for humanizing prisoners.

[@hinasakukimi]

not my boy roger ebert tho

[@charbo187]

what people dont understand is that it's not even really like they get to keep or save that $180 a month. EVERYTHING in prison/jail costs money. phone calls cost money (a lot), hygiene costs money (soap, shampoo, toothpaste, etc), commissary food costs money because the prison meals are not a large enough quantity to "feel full" so if you don't have commissary you're starving, going to medical if you get sick or injured costs money. so that $180 a month just goes right back to the state or to the numerous companies who contract with the state to profit from incarcerating human beings. global tel link, securus, aramark, etc etc etc

[@oomreni5820]

Damn right. Even the money they get paid goes back to the people who rent them out. It's literally a company town that you can't leave.

[@nat-that]

hasan has been doing great stuff lately tbh

[@haleyspence]

Once I realized cenk was his uncle that made a lot of sense to me how he's leveled up lately, it's like cenk selling out dared him lol

[@caraldinho]

​@@haleyspence wait, he actually is? I always thought that was just a joke or smth

[@starry_wizard22]

@@caraldinho It’s true lol

[@kropotkinnie]

​@@caraldinhoyup, it's true. on thanksgivings they get together and argue topics as a semi joke. USUALLY their stuff together is fairly productive, but hasan has 10000% grown up to be better at this stuff than cenk.

[@SuzakuX]

​@@caraldinhoYeah, Cenk is his uncle and got him his first job at TYT, doing ad sales, and they have a yearly tradition called Cenksgiving where he and Cenk have a debate on stream when he comes over for Thanksgiving dinner. Hasan also always calls Sam Seder his "real uncle" and I can't help but wonder if that's part of why Cenk resents Sam so much. 😂

[@thefearandwonder]

I'm proud of Hasan. We must embrace cultural reform and empathy toward prisoners. The culture of fear and disgust we cultivate in America makes me sad

[@Edwin-iw8gb]

@@thefearandwonder "Empathy towards prisoners" Well sure except for human traffickers, rapists and those attack or murder people unprovoked

[@elainenation]

@@Edwin-iw8gb Did anyone mention those people? Or do you think all prisoners are those?

[@Edwin-iw8gb]

@@elainenation no but the way some people talk here makes it seem like every inmate deserves empathy

[@indigopines]

​@Edwin-iw8gb I'd argue they also deserve empathy, simply because they are feeling human beings. That's a separate issue to how we should rehabilitate them/protect others from them.

[@Edwin-iw8gb]

@@indigopines well that's easy keeping them locked up protects everyone

[@frausteiner8615]

The people criticizing Hasan don't get why he's doing this. He's humanizing these people, but he's also promoting his ideas to the viewers. And those ideas will help the people working. If we want progressive policies, then we need to change minds.

[@chrislawuk]

“The war you’re fighting is within yourself, and I am just a witness to it.” Is an S-tier burn.

[@perkydrop6378]

So, excuse me but this really opened my eyes, more than they were before. Nobody is talking about praising criminals or what they have done. But the point of a judicial system and prison is to serve your time and get out. And when you get out you should be able or get help from the government to get a job, like these guys. In Sweden, our prisoners train for specific trades etc and get employment (not always) in Sweden. Not perfect but close enough. These guys on the other hand, gets more work experience than any other want to be firefighter, working in conditions like these? They are hardworking, and it looks like the US needs more firefighters. So it really boggles my mind that they will get criminal records for the rest of their lives, not being able to WORK as a FIREFIGHTER. What is the point of all this? What is the point in going to jail if your life is going to suck when you come out? You will just go back to do the things you did before to earn money again. If you want to reduce criminality, GET PEOPLE JOBS! Good paying, secure jobs. Also, 100 something dollars a month. lol.

[@ticklord]

It's cuz the system is designed for slavery not to improve anything.

[@Tleilaxu0]

Why train someone to be able to earn a living wage when you could get near-free labour out of them instead? The point isn't rehabilitation, it's slavery.

[@CrossfacePanda]

Håller med. Realistically, depending on the severity of the crime, doing work like this while in prison where you both serve your community and risk your life should qualify you for erasing your criminal record once you’ve served your time. Would still make it hard to find a job as a firefighter afterwards simply because of social stigma, and hard to explain away your multi year absence from working and sudden firefighter education even if you don’t have a public criminal record. But would be better than being branded a criminal for life after both serving time and serving your community to prove you deserve another chance at life.

[@adgjlkhfs8936]

A conservative's crippling and insufferable incapability to see clear pro-pro solutions, due to being nonsensically overattached to past procedures, always disillusions me about living in a intelligent society.

[@memento81]

Other than europe the supposedly very christian US does not really believe in resocialisation, second chances, forgiveness, love the sinner not the sin and all that stuff you might wrongfully have assoicated with christian values. They rather want to see their sinners punished and tormented forever, their vindictiveness won't let prisoners back into society after their sentence, they kicked down into a lowest social class where they are stripped of pretty much all opportunity for a new start. Apparently Americans love to see each other fall into the dirt and then rather smugly think "that suits you right" instead of lifting each other up.

[@shadsnotafk7478]

Can't wait for Hasan to end up on Trump's shitlist, and for JD Vance to get off the couch.

[@lucassism6726]

*get out of the couch

[@xXstabtolifeXx]

*JD Vance to get off in the couch

[@firemaster2229]

*get above the couch (i know this is wrong, I'm being sarcastic to the 2 comments above me)

[@ironzodiac1502]

Jd Vance is way too selfish to help the couch get off.

[@donny_doyle]

My job in the prison bakery was 30 cents an hour. No joke-

[@DystopianUtopia8]

It's an oligarchy, not a democracy.

[@JoshSweetvale]

The people democratically decided they prefer oligarchy.

[@victorortiz1387]

@@JoshSweetvale There is no choosing while lobbing exist and the two parties are the only options to get presidency

[@Khalkara]

​@@victorortiz1387 Yes there is, don't be ridiculous. Just because choices people keep making aren't (anywhere near) optimal, doesn't mean they weren't choices.

[@jaeceeh]

I hate that they have to risk their lives just to be treated as humans. Someone who isn’t incarcerated and does this, they’re a hero. Have an incarcerated person do this, and now they can be seen as maybe human again and can maybe be treated better.

[@Radoosh96]

Chat full of people who think the prisoners are correct in thinking this is actually providing them an opportunity rather than just exploiting them and then throwing them back into a system without resources and opportunities so they get back in prison once again...

[@notamurderer6226]

They are being helped and they get to help that’s the main factor to help them not reoffend there able to help the communities around them

[@Radoosh96]

@ yea they are able to help the community, but that doesn’t mean they will be allowed to help them. If I’m really good at painting I can paint you something, that doesn’t mean you’ll hire me to do so. This is about the short term positive feeling vs the long term sustaining of those positive feelings into properly rehabilitated individuals. This is pretty basic.

[@notamurderer6226]

@@Radoosh96 you are right but let’s not pretend this dosnt help because it dose is it perfect no and we can make it a hell of a lot better do we can rehabilitate more people and get them honest good paying jobs when they leave prison but this and has been a amazing stepping stone not only for the prisoners who are trying there hardest to get into one of these camps but also the public to humanize them and i disagree with hasan a lot but holy fuck this is amazing letting everyone see these people now we as a society have to push our local and federal governments to pay them while they risk there lives and have more benefits for those who employ ex prisoners plus what we can do without the government help with getting them housing temporary work till they find good jobs when it comes to rehabilitation we all failed miserably

[@finalcut612]

@@notamurderer6226 "No no you don't get it! The slaves like working more than being beaten!"

[@Juhz0r]

Thankfully it was not full of people. It was handful of people, maybe three or four. I checked the chat history of one and last they chatted was once in 2023. Back then they were also complaining about Hasan, so they seem more like Hasan hate tourists rather than real members of the community.

[@BlueTuesday-d1g]

I'm SO glad that he did those interviews. I wish so much that others would, too. I would very like to hear more from the inmate fire fighters. They deserve to have a voice, too.

[@carstenpfundt]

The job these people are doing is a combination of logging and firefighting. Two of the most dangerous jobs there are. I don't care how decent they are, these are brave people.

[@GMZxxx]

Brave? They committed crimes to get rich, burglary arson all kinds of crimes

[@monokoUwU]

@@GMZxxx they are expunging the records as soon as they get out of prison, would anyone else do it probably not,

[@StormCrownSr]

​@@GMZxxx wrong. Rich people don't go to prison. They certainly don't fight wild fires.

[@wabschall]

​@@GMZxxx don't care.

[@ChrisGrump]

180 a month for risking your life. Insane.

[@Tormekia]

Read a book where an incarcerated firefighter died while on the job who was close to getting released. Her organs were donated (her choice). Like. Damn.

[@IJustAnimateThatsTheJist]

Modern day slavery.

[@FreyjaFoxx.x]

That's way more than most prisoners get. And fire camp is easy time. Good food, way less violence and fighting, doing interesting things. Also, they're nit on the fire line 😂😂😂 they use them in support roles and as general labor.

[@xyzxxx33]

@@FreyjaFoxx.x not everything is fire line, even for firefighter, there's a lot of cleaning, mundane stuff

[@nobleradical2158]

@@FreyjaFoxx.x Yeah, it's way better than the rock bottom that is an American high-security prison. But it's nowhere near acceptable. They should make at least minimum wage, and they should have job opportunities after they get out.

[@kropotkinnie]

This is incredibly fucked but man these guys are heroes. The thought that so many people fighting fires were incarcerated for utterly meaningless drug crimes that hurt nobody, or for being groomed into gangs as kids, etc, is heartbreaking. They've done more good for the world than people who haven't been arrested. This is 100% slavery and I cannot believe my fellow Californians have voted to keep this shit around. These guys should be getting paid firefighting wages to have when they leave, and this shit should be an optional job of MANY. This is coconut island shit to the extreme. Salute to the absolute heroes saving the lives of both people and animals as we all watch these videos. California couldn't ever repay them if they'd been actually hired, let alone in this situation. The fact that a lot of them speak about this with genuine care and passion is doubly insane. Imagine being such a good person that you're forced into the most dangerous kind of slave labor and still being able to care and take it all seriously because you want to help others. These people do not belong in prison. They've done their time and far, far more by doing this stuff. They're literally better humans morally and actively than 99% of humanity.

[@RachelTheStrong]

I’ve met a woman who was getting her life together after 30+ years of abusing drugs. She never experienced kindness. She said I gave her the best week that she ever had in her life. I won’t throw caution out the window(downtown San Francisco isn’t safe), but prisoners deserve another chance, especially if they invest into merging into the workforce.

[@MrMillefail]

I used to dislike Hasan, but this last election cycle and this... Impossible to hate the guy.

[@caraldinho]

same. he used to have a lot of shit takes, but in recent years he's just having W after W takes. i have to respect how vocal he is about support for palestine and the fact that he's also actually getting involved in local politics with interviews like this one, or the one with the teamsters leader

[@zakaruahbones3142]

I dislike his common phrases and outbursts when livestreaming, it reminds me of the inane ramblings of permanently online children. But his politics and discussions (that i know of) are on point but his politics (that i know of) are on point.

[@TobyElmendorf]

Its still possible, hes horrific on some issues, but he does good work domestically for the left

[@TobyElmendorf]

@@caraldinho Basically almost all of his foreign policy/foreign affairs takes are very bad. Palestine is okay but other than that its really really bad

[@dynamicworlds1]

He's a mixed bag, but he's at least trying to do good, which is more than I can say about his right-wing competition on Twitch.

[@daraghokane4236]

I would feel way safer around these guys then, The police that want to protect me from them, Forget man vs bear its thief vs cop

[@AnthonySopran0]

You do realize these aren't just thieves, correct? I've been incarcerated with people like this. If a woman went into any housing unit they wouldn't last 24 hours lol. Y'all really don't understand how a lot of inmates are. They aren't all just drug offenders.

[@GG-vy1oy]

@@AnthonySopran0 you just don't care

[@magnus_cockstrong]

I've been to jail, it was full of regular people. Sometimes regular people in bad circumstances do murder and get locked up. That's how humanity is. If you are okay with those people being mistreated by the state while incarcerated, its because you are weak and scared. Maybe in that case you should be quiet too.​@AnthonySopran0

[@inciiopath]

@@AnthonySopran0 if anyone laid a hand on the woman in said housing unit he'd be on a fast-track to a long box. prisoners don't take kindly to that kinda thing. not that you'd know. stop talking out your ass.

[@bivtheast]

​@@AnthonySopran0 they really are almost entirely drug offenders though

[@lukemccann8930]

That issue was literally covered on John Oliver. Someone did their time worked as a fire fighter on the inside and when they got out applied to be a fire fighter and was told felons are not considered.

[@char1746]

7:41 when people hear this they should be outraged. People get stabbed. How could someone say this isn't slavery when the alternative could be getting stabbed. Of course thats not the only thing or the most common but the fact that its a problem at all should be the end of the conversation.

[@Pesadilla09]

That's because Prison Criminal Organization flourish inside CALIFORNIA prisons. Mexican Mafia is the biggest California Prison Organizations and targets anyone not willing to become their indentured servants.

[@JassZoigel]

Oh ya, I forgot they used "totally not slaves' for this...

[@SnailSnail-lo4pm]

The 'prisoners with jobs'

[@Chris_winthers]

It is slavery. It is explicitly allowed in the Constitution

[@freedomofmusic2112]

This is such an amazing segment. I think it's so cool Hasan used his massive platform to bring attention to this. This was such a wholesome segment and I got teary hearing these guys saying hi to their friends & family. If these guys got paid even 50% of the wage of firefighters, they would have tens of thousands of dollars or more saved by the time they get out. Having that kind of money saved would give them a second chance at life.

[@falloutsheppy8823]

My step uncle -very convoluted story- went into fire camp when he was thrown back in for owning a gun as a felon. He said it was worth it long as it meant getting back out to see his son. Man is now disabled for the rest of his life after a flaming tree limb fell on him. He'll never be able to work a proper job nor will he ever receive workman's compensation since he was a convict still doing time...there's even shittier things to this, the pay is just the most prominent aspect. Wait do some chatters not realize that regardless of things like the fire camp many convicts won't be given jobs opportunities BECAUSE they were incarcerated? Like there are employers that just will deny felons jobs whether it's a violent crime or otherwise-

[@liamsloan5410]

I was a paid firefighter in australia. It was my job that i joined voluntarily and without coercion. The idea that you would work the fireline 5 days without a shower just blows my mind. I've done overnights before and the relief you feel when you get back to a camp and get clean and it's not just smoke... its getting your feet dry, its changing your underwear, washing off the phoschek because the bomber missed their target and coated you in fire retardent. It's just ridiculous.

[@anarchySandwich]

big ups to Hasan, Caroline, Murat, and Marche for going out and doing this coverage. They did a great job!

[@luigiongaming3959]

Do ethan klein fans also watch vaush? I didn't expect so many chatters to be disingenuous towards hasan and Caroline for doing this.

[@V__31371]

No lmao H3H3 and their fans despise him. Vaush's community hasn't been friendly with Hasan's for a while, it's mutual on the other side too.

[@hinasakukimi]

i saw someone in his chat say they were a hasan hater and pro ethan which is... weird. idk why they like vaush lol. but i only caught the one person, i think it's actually more likely to be des tiny fans. despite their hatred there's a bigger overlap in the audience even if it's gotten smaller over time.

[@belablanck]

​@@hinasakukimi Those people probably only jump in when Hasan is being mentioned

[@Chaoticchips]

Hasan isn’t the most well liked streamer lol. Even ignoring Kleins cult members

[@gristen]

​@@Chaoticchipshe sure does numbers for someone that "isnt liked" lol

[@linaskranauskas]

i just can't relax watching Hasan allowing this guy's food to get cold

[@Teeveepicksures]

ITS DRIVING ME CRAZY

[@liesalllies]

Only Hasan can eat while he talks, no one else.

[@chrislawuk]

The kick in the balls for an hour vs being hit once on the arm analogy… perfection

[@openminded4751]

You mean Kicked once maybe?

[@TheRealHungryHobo]

A rube goldberg machine of misery is a pretty accurate way to describe modern capitalism.

[@andrewbruce2607]

Precisely. The entire thing is designed to profit off suffering. Many of the things we buy come from slave labor one way or another. Whether it’s kids in sweatshops, blood diamonds, underpaid workers at home, institutionalized criminals who can’t escape the cycle of violence and crime, on and on…

[@victorortiz1387]

I love hassan actually giving voice to the people

[@TobyElmendorf]

As much as Hasan is objectionable for some of the stuff he says, this is good work and very valuable to the left

[@tijmen6947]

All hasan does is valuable to the left imo.

[@TobyElmendorf]

@@tijmen6947 Ukraine, foreign policy, china, etc...All horrible examples for leftists

[@OrbObserver]

Always vague "some of the stuff he says" never any actual examples.

[@zamalamahama4894]

@@OrbObserverwell it’s more so the stuff he doesn’t say. People’s main critiques is on how he is very hesitant to criticise China for something and how he has in the past parroted Kremlin talking points in the Russia-Ukraine war. I overall think Hasan is a net positive but it’s important not to ignore these shortcomings

[@patrikvajgel240]

@@OrbObserver The shit he said about Ukraine for example.

[@jamesvance1367]

The average starting salary for a firefighter in Detroit MI, for instance, is $28.38 per hour (source: zip recruiter)

[@adrianacosta5189]

Pregnant Mir I'm

[@emuguy-py2wq]

misleading way to put it tho, firefighters work a ton of overtime so their yearly earnings will be much higher than expected

[@adrianacosta5189]

@@emuguy-py2wq answer my question

[@HimboVegan]

Still way too low

[@jamesvance1367]

@@emuguy-py2wq its not so much as misleading as it is the baseline. No one expects a firefighter to be anything less than always on call and working hard.

[@spaghettayyyyyy]

much better than the 'SHOUT OUT THE WINDOW TO US' prisoner interview

[@WompaStompaCyn]

Cmon that one was funny

[@TBLIVIN]

And it humanized inmates

[@dresdenvisage]

That one was unplanned. I'm happy they chose to put them on the air.

[@GregDaniel78]

I grew up in a pretty rough part of northern england. Moved to sweden 10 years ago. And despite the UK spending the past 30 years (and counting) emulating every terrible decision the US makes, i was worried we were drawing parallel in terms of dystopic disregard for human decency. But, my fears are completely allayed. We are *rank pretenders* in the race to the bottom. I don't think i've ever seen anything like this. Not only should these guys have their sentences commuted, the elites whos homes they're battling to save should employ them in their chosen career.

[@sharongillesp]

These men are to be highly admired. A huge number of people in the Black and brown communities have likely ended in a prison situation as a result of a coup d’etat on these communities. Just like the US government officials destroyed and took over other countries/governments.

[@serversurfer6169]

If these guys were paid a decent wage, that would also give them a nice bankroll to restart their lives with, reducing recidivism. 🤔

[@FreyjaFoxx.x]

180 is plenty in prison to save up a nice bank roll. But also consider many have victims they owe restitution to. 🤷‍♀️ Not like the pay for rent or food or have many bills 😂

[@serversurfer6169]

@@FreyjaFoxx.x "many" If they owe restitution, then it can come out of their reasonable pay. You don't exploit them "just in case." 😖

[@brucewayne6996]

​​​@@FreyjaFoxx.x The worker still deserves the real value of his own work, part of it can go to a restitution fund for victims, and what exceeds the compensation, be sent to his personal account as soon as he gets out of prison. Nothing you said is an impediment to a better policy than slavery.

[@oomreni5820]

@@FreyjaFoxx.x They actually do. They have to buy their own soap, toothpaste, and toiletpaper. They have to pay crazy rates to call their family and even to talk to their laywers. You can go to prison and get oout with more debt than when you went in.

[@samtron5000]

Hasan doesn’t content id anyone ever. Most vids of hasan on KZbin are uploaded by ppl who have no professional or personal connection

[@voltage80x]

They think they’re getting a second chance, this is incredibly sad. They deserve so much more, but are conditioned to believe this situation is fair, or even good.

[@tristanneal9552]

$180/month. Assume 40 hours/week * ~4 weeks/month = 160 hours/month $180/160 hours = *A pay rate of ~$1.13/hr. Minimum wage is $15/hr.*

[@Montesama314]

180 a month is 6 dollars a day, which per hour is.... NOT A FUCKING LOT.

[@tijmen6947]

Yeah i cant figure out the 180 a month. They said they're paid 1 an hour. And they work for 24 hours every other day. Thats only 7,5 days of work. Maybe the 24 a day is before tax and 180 after?

[@FreyjaFoxx.x]

​@@tijmen6947they don't pay taxes on state pay lol

[@lespectator4962]

They don't have to worry about food, electricity or rent though. It's not that bad as a bare minimum.

[@Marcus20870]

I’m currently in a California fire academy and will try to get on with cal fire when I graduate. I’ve worked with many inmate firefighters and maybe I can weigh in on something. In order to become a firefighter you must first become an EMT so that’s the first hurdle. Someone with a felony conviction can become an EMT depending on the crime, how long ago it was committed and whether it’s expunged. There was an ex felon in my EMT class who served time in prison, so it is possible, albeit much more difficult. If you are approved to become a nationally registered EMT, it should be smooth sailing after that though. This would be your first and biggest hurdle to overcome as a ex felon getting into the fire service.

[@oomreni5820]

Thanks for the info

[@trishadrift]

As a veteran, feel for the guy talking about transition. A mentorship/accountability program about this, linking up combat vets and convicts is an idea.

[@sharongillesp]

Those fire fighters are appreciative of what’s happening to them (to the system that swept them between the cracks) because THEY ARE ON A HIGH after coming from the awful and abusive situation of being in a violent prison situation.

[@anthonyrowland9072]

The discourse around this show just how PrisonBrained america really is.

[@rwwilson75]

I like how they call it fire camp as if they are going to roast marshmallows and sing kumbaya

[@clearskies]

Massive W Hasan

[@R2BREE2]

The thing that really pisses me off is that they refuse to create a program to help these guys get jobs within the fire department after they are out. I think that's the most hypocritical thing. Prison is supposed to rehabilitate, but the people in charge just want to enslave them and make money off of their labor.

[@SeabeastAhab]

Yoooo, real shit

[@fredo69ification]

Love how leftists say “yoooo real shit” and “bro” to try to seem normal when they’re all furries 😂

[@kNeeekoh]

Huh? ​@@fredo69ification

[@JuneyperTree]

@@fredo69ification what's a furry?

[@MM-vs2et]

@@fredo69ification Brother, stop projecting

[@sumosanta123]

That's basically what they are. In Canada, we would call them "Level 3 Firefighters". Basically, doing supply, hauling equipment, digging and moving things around, maybe putting out small hot spots. That's not to justify it in any way. A level 3 firefighter would expect to make $300-$400 a day.

[@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303]

When i think of prisoner volunteers, i think of picking litter, working in a soup kitchen or giving PSAs in high schools. Sending prisoners with a bare minimum of training into the depths is absolutely fucked.

[@RandyTemple-bs]

180 per month at 40 hours per week is $1.13 per hour. Firefighting. Fckin cray...

[@FreyjaFoxx.x]

So they should be kept in cell blocks and earn zero?

[@RandyTemple-bs]

@@FreyjaFoxx.x Well, are they prisoners or are they slaves?

[@V__31371]

@@FreyjaFoxx.x No, he's saying they should be paid more.

[@halleffect5439]

ppl doing climate change, then expect prisoners to clean their problems?

[@1-eye-willy]

when i was in prison they would work us trustees anywhere from 12-18 hours a day and that was just doing chores around the prison, and even though you make barely anything from it you would even do it for free just for the chance to have something to keep your mind busy. and like that fella said in the begining if you are a trustee you cant be a violent offender unless you have years of good behavior, so being a trustee or being on any type of work program will keep you safe, or as safe as it can get in the prison system, so i think its ironically fucked up that they make these guys put themselves in danger for the oppourtunity to not be surrounded by murderers and rapists on a daily basis. but honestly if i were still in prison and i was offered an opportunity to do this i would do it in a heartbeat, its just the circustances around it that are fucked up. but sometimes in life you got to over look fucked up circumstances just to get through to the other side, it aint always sunshine and rainbow and equal rights for all.

[@zakaruahbones3142]

Equal rights for everyone. But when those rights are transgressed, the offender loses rights. Do you disagree?

[@anthonyrowland9072]

I'd literally rather just go than do any time in prison in america. I don't think that was the point of them.

[@blackphoenixfamily8477]

Brother, I value your input on this, but I need you to realize that where you are coming from is that of someone "caught up in the system". For you to speak out on anything 'not right' would only end in negative consequences on you or your status as a trustee, at the time. The only time(s) things have changed, is when folks speak up. I understand why you would be more willing to not, therefore I and others will in your place.... \m/

[@frogman4840]

Im a sociology major thanks for helping me better understand the sociological imagination vaush

[@temtem8110]

I’m gonna come back here when it’s not 2 am at my place as well as give a watch to Hasan’s own video, but I have to say that this kind of work is worth every minute of it in gold. Get those clips out there, show these people and the hard work they do, the exploitation they are subjected to. It’s time for the left to get our shit together and work as a unit. I’m glad to see folks getting out there, doing actual, proper journalism. Respect to Hasan for being there on the ground

[@jakublizon6375]

$6 a day.... To fight extremely dangerous wildfires.

[@FreyjaFoxx.x]

To do basic unskilled labor 😂

[@8114梦见]

@@FreyjaFoxx.xBasic, unskilled labor? I would love to see you (or a majority of average Americans) try working under such brutal conditions. Your imagination is so so small, that you cannot entertain an incarceration system that is based on actual rehabilitation and care. You can only see people who have committed a crime as an animal, instead of a product of many circumstances, most of which were not their fault. I get you were probably conditioned to think this way, and haven’t read into the research on more humane rehabilitation & the possibilities it opens up as a society. But your blatant distaste and fear is not rooted in rationality.

[@stellanightsk]

​@@FreyjaFoxx.xI'd love to see you try to do the work they do.

[@Fisheryboi-o4m]

@@FreyjaFoxx.x That's false but even if it weren't it makes no sense, so what if they're doing "basic unskilled labor"? We clearly need them to do it if we pay them anything for it, so pay them a proper goddamn wage!

[@mythbuster-ov7tr]

I have to say though, having been a corrections officer only a few years ago though, I can safely say that it radicalized me towards the "justice" system. I would like to say I was a decent officer who saw the humanity in the inmates there, but I still felt absolutely horrible every day for what I had subjected my fellow man to for a job, which is part of why I am a prison abolitionist. I'd go in more detail, but needless to say, it was horrible.

[@HalfBananaWoman]

Looks like non-violent offenders in the fire camp program can have their records expunged in California, making it easier to get firefighting jobs after release (AB 2147). I hope this can be expanded to all of the incarcerated firefighters, of course it would also help if there was less stigma against people who have served their time

[@thedrunkenmaster6757]

A 180 a month is what I get in tips in germany ( not always of course) , this is insane for such a system-relevant occupation. So much for the biggest economic empire in the world....

[@FreyjaFoxx.x]

They also receive room and board. You get many of these people are criminals that broke the law? The alternative is they sit in the cell block playing cards earning nothing and potentially getting into trouble. Worse thing in the world is a dude with 10 or 20 years getting "bored" 😂

[@jahleel0077]

​@@FreyjaFoxx.x "They get room and board" that's a basic human right .. That's like saying, "they get food and water, they should be grateful!"

[@nicolaim4229]

@@FreyjaFoxx.x "be grateful for the conditions I force you to live under". I'm pretty sure they wouldn't let dangerous offenders roam around, so all these people will be criminals for the more petty crimes like forgetting to pay a bill, smoking weed or doing traffic violations like jaywalking. Most people outside of prison are just as guilty as a lot of those in prison.

[@indigopines]

That's how we became the empire. By not paying people for the profit they generate. Being an empire is not a good thing.

[@FreyjaFoxx.x]

@indigopines I'd staunchly disagree with you there lol. 🤷‍♀️

[@fettman17]

This was on the ballot in November. FOLKS KNOW.

[@billithekat2742]

Shoutout to both Vaush and Hasan, keep up the good work!!

[@thenavybluewolf5648]

I understand that chatter a little bit, the one that called Hasan disingenuous. Sure, the journalism may not be perfect, but Hasan isnt a journalist. Even if he comes off as slightly disingenuous at certain points, this is still important work that he's doing. Its fantastic for what hes working with, which is a slightly oblivious personality. Simply being out there makes him among the best of journalists. The woman there helped to keep things on track too. I think its important to be constructive about how he can improve for next time, not hateful like the chatter was. I remember the TV report a few weeks back where the inmates were watching the news and were yelling out their answers to the ladys questions. That was a rare and incredible moment, so important and humanizing for those folks. Nobody was piling on those journalists for being jovial and shallow in their questions. Admittedly i wish that more important questions were asked than "was dinner good tonight", but it was still an incredible moment for me to see.

[@audeon_visual]

💯agree

[@CrossfacePanda]

These guys protect and serve just as much (and in a lot of cases more) than most cops, and should be paid as such. For those who were fairly imprisoned, their consequence should be restriction of freedom, not slavery. Choosing to do firefighter work while imprisoned should be optional (truly optional) and paid like a regular firefighter (or at least a firefighter in training), as they are doing the same work and taking the same risks.

[@TheSpeep]

19:08 Saying "its a better situation", while true, shouldnt be posited as an argument in favour of putting people in the position of slave firefighters. What that really is is an indictment of the alternative.

[@BenisMannn]

These prisoners are marx's strongest soldiers and they probably dont even know it. Notice how they all nod in agreement with the "someone starts further ahead in the race" analogy. And some in chat dont even see that they share the same chains.

[@mangosaurusrex3416]

I’m in EMS. Around here (Portland metro area) firefighters typically make 40+ an hour. They are usually paramedics since most of what they do is medical calls but some are EMT’s though. Less than 10% of their calls are fire related. It’s very difficult to get into fire. I don’t even have any criminal record and I don’t think I can make it through the background investigation. They do polygraph tests even for volunteer fire where I live, want 10 years of pretty much perfect job history and have background investigators who interview your friends/family to try to make sure you weren’t lying about drug use history or whatever.

[@NewsRunner-o4f]

My dad told me young people don't understand these inmates would rather be doing this for pay than be in jail doing nothing. That young people dont understand what's it like volunteering for your community. That we see underpay and immediately think something is inherently wrong...😒

[@sing2meh]

It’s like…yeah, your dad is correct. And it’s great that this program gives them a chance to do that. But that doesn’t mean we should be okay with exploiting them haha. I think both are true.

[@hollowman9410]

Kind of crazy that America is willing to rely on convicts to do such an important job as fire fighting. Might as well as hire them as cops at this point, they would probably do a better job too. Imagine if a bunch of them just decided to strike mid-fire, I am surprised such thing has not happened by this point.

[@notamurderer6226]

They won’t Strike because they want to be there

[@FreyjaFoxx.x]

They don't directly fight the flames. They do labor that helps support those that are. So instead of trained firefighters digging a trench, or build firebreak, cleaning brush and burnable materials near buildings, help do logistics and moving supplies. Things like that. If they striked they'd get sent to at locked down facility 😂 Most likely they'd so to the hole. They get much better treatment in fire camp.

[@harderthanitlooked]

California and other places need to immediately end the policy of not hiring people with records. These men need a future when they get out. They have pride and they have experience, it is insane that we don't hire these fire fighting experts when they get out.

[@TinyTorah]

Another short video made MUCH longer due to Vawsh arguing with chat, albeit rightfully so. 😅

[@void-creature]

HDS is real, holy shit

[@tystkanin9996]

From what I just looked up the average annual cost to house a prison inmate in CA in $133,000 per year (2024-25) which breaks down to $364 per day. Are they eliminating the daily charge to inmates as well as paying them $180 a month? Most people don't know that you have to pay to be locked up. You hear "three hots and cot" and assume jail/prison is free but it sure as hell isn't.

[@SilverSnaffles]

Hasan is giving them the dignity of treating them like adults. Children sometimes need to be patted on the head and told they are right even when you think they are missing something. Hasan is telling them what he actually thinks. Like they are adults he is conversing with

[@leekestner1554]

The access to full pay would be problematic in the prison. They should have enough for the canteen and phone calls (which are artificially expensive). The money above that should be sent to family or put in a bank account to hold until they are released. The law needs to be changed so that they can work for the fire department afterwards,

[@liesalllies]

I just want to hug that guy that was saying hi to his daughter on the stream. 29:00 ish

[@sing2meh]

That part made me actually cry

[@DragAmiot]

Man. This is great and important work. The big media channels should all be there.

[@Orph3us33]

Inmates will work jobs while incarcerated that won't hire them when they get out.

[@Liminal_Simulacre]

The US never abolished slave labour

[@KandyBoy69]

There was a loophole in the 13th amendment. It's called: Convict Leasing. While that practice has for the most part died out it's still done to some capacity. Sometimes inmates can be used as cheap labor or community service.

[@StormCrownSr]

​@KandyBoy69 the 13th didn't just not ban slavery it made it explicitly legal as a punishment by the state.

[@razorednight]

I remember reading that Russia was recruiting prisoners to go fight in Ukraine. Prisoners serving long sentences probably thought it was a good opportunity. But then they were basically cannon fodder being sent on suicide missions etc. I hope these prisoner firefighters aren't being treated similarly.

[@xXPoopWorldXx]

Wait, this is just irl Kaiji holy shit

[@Mrjonnyjonjon123]

Hasan do the funniest thing possible and comment on here