Hasbro is in Huge Trouble! | Massive Commander News Revealed

[@RoflCannon6]

I don’t understand Hasbro’s goal here. If you want money, print by demand gets you far more money than limited supply. Print by demand also ensures that you don’t end up with extra inventory from unsold merchandise. If I was a stock holder or investor, I’d be asking why secret lairs, like the Marvel secret lair, weren’t printed as much as possible to ensure maximum profit and why most customers are unsatisfied or pissed off.

[@456jm]

It's because they know that Universes Beyond cards are another Reserve List that they can milk money off of since there's no chance of Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro ever reprinting them.

[@BlueGriffin20]

Because they only have so much printer space for products. If they get swamped with orders they will have to prioritize what’s gets printed first. Usually that’s going to be standard lair sets and commander decks.

[@456jm]

@@BlueGriffin20 Hasbro doesn't give Wizards of the Coast enough resources to compensate for that because of how greedy they are as a company.

[@Crushanator1]

​@@456jm but that doesn't make sense. Their goal is maximum profit by selling the maximum number of cards, not increasing the value of the cards on the secondary market.

[@CmdrGamagosk]

@@BlueGriffin20this comment screams “I am a speculative trader who is very ignorant of the printing process”

[@eduardoramirezjr1892]

Hasbro Executives: We're Doing All This To Make the ShareHolders Happy! ShareHolders: We're Not Happy.

[@Aldrnari956]

You have to separate Hasbro’s overall financials from WotC’s performance. The stock issues, at least the ones that matter for the sake of this lawsuit, seem to all be about toy and figure sales. Their toy properties aren’t selling, and it’s causing a ton of losses for Hasbro. WotC isn’t in the red, they’re constantly outperforming the rest of the company and keeping Hasbro afloat for years. Now, the reason this is still relevant to MtG is because the losses are why they’re squeezing MtG so damn hard. All the tie ins, all the Secret Lairs, and all the product flooding is because Hasbro would go under without WotC crushing MtG. It sucks for Magic players, but Magic itself isn’t the problem for Hasbro.

[@danielfrazier5586]

This.

[@repeataftermeme75]

Alright, I'm gonna that truth spell and choose the ppl in the back as my target that didn't hear what you said.

[@BrendanPatrickGrace]

Yeah, this could come from anywhere in the Hasbro portfolio, it could be a Disney problem (since they are one of their biggest partners for merchandise), Transformers, WOTC, board games, other toys, who knows where. There are a lot of angles this could be, but at a baseline it's not good.

[@Sebastian-wn9rs]

Indeed. Mtg is like the first and last line of defense for Hasbro so they keep squeezing it as hard as possible. It's kinda good to know mtg is very profitable.... But at the same time kinda worrying. How much can they push this?

[@charlescarter7970]

Hasbro has also taken huge losses from their film division, which is part of the issue. Their toys sell okay, but not Great, and they are in compititon with themselves in a lot of different areas. Buyer has X dollars and plays both D&D and Magic. They Focus on D&D because of the new system, so they don't buy Magic Cards. Same with their other properties. They own Avalon Hill games, which DIRECTLY competes with its WotC buyers and its adult game buyers ont he Milton Bradly and Hasbro sides.... also, as a person in the toy industry, it is not secret that the industry is down for 2023 and 2024 as a whole. (I think it is down 1-3%, which doesn't sound like a lot, but we are talking 1-3% of 125-130 billion dollars)

[@jimharris5320]

A separate online game that's not Arena? As in, people would have to build-up/buy cards all over again? Yeah no.

[@fatboy158]

You mean like mtgo? A thing that already exists?

[@kylehunter1244]

@@fatboy158 Beat me to it

[@emilsjanisungurs7970]

I hope for their own sake, that they will let you log in the 4 player video game with your Arena account and get all the cards you already collected there

[@Mischievous_Moth]

@@fatboy158 I mean, that's the exact reason I never got into MTGO was because I didn't want to have to build a whole new collection so that doesn't exactly refute Jim's overall point.

[@fatboy158]

@Mischievous_Moth You could try focusing on Penny Dreadful, a format that only allows cards $0.02 or less.

[@zachschwartz8780]

They are reaping what they've sown. I'm all for companies making money, but Hasbro has gotten to the point of pure predatory greed. Honestly, I hope they are punished for the poor business practices and poor consumer treatment.

[@amavoncrevure1163]

Compagnies making money= poor worker treatment +milking cash from consumers by selling cheap produits. Welcome to "le capitalisme" treating everyone and everything like shit since ages

[@Mischievous_Moth]

Videogame companies have done worse for longer, they're not going to see real consequences. Edit: Unless we make them face the consequences ourselves.

[@zachschwartz8780]

@Mischievous_Moth unfortunately you're right.

[@72kyzero]

​@@Mischievous_Mothonly way to do that is stop buying magic which most people won't do

[@zachschwartz8780]

@@72kyzero unfortunately. I am guilty of wanting to buy cards too every now and then.

[@Professor_Smoak]

You can tell they're out of touch by them describing Marvel SNAP as a "collectible".

[@carldooley9344]

As shareholders: WHY did you stop print to demand Secret Lairs? You're leaving money on the table...

[@MichaelHayes-yw6mf]

@@carldooley9344 FOMO drives sales. I’m sure they calculate how much profit they’re looking to get, and then print to that much before selling. This gives them the profit they need as soon as possible by driving up scarcity on limited products But them selling out means they succeeded to meet their goal. Sure more profit is great but when you make all the profit you intended to make in five hours and all your efforts are towards the next thing that makes profit instead of still trying to dribble out what you can from the previous product, you have a much smoother greed machine engine running

[@MichaelHayes-yw6mf]

@@carldooley9344 they aren’t though. They’re making the exact profit they were looking to make and then moving on their efforts to the next product while it ships, instead of spending another month or two printing bits of the last set here and there. With marvel they just sold out every bit of stock they needed to in five hours and get to move on their focus to the next product while it ships.

[@2face865]

And Not a little amount.......

[@aqdjbcr]

Absolutely. I would have spent an absurd amount of money on the marvel secret lauds if they let me

[@Sen_413]

As if all of the higher ups aren't lining their pockets with the secondary market. I think we all know the reason those marvel secret lairs weren't print to demand.

[@angelojohnson9441]

Mountain Dew Secret Lair: Mountain - Code Red Swamp - Pitch Black Forest - regular? Island - Baja Blast, duh Plains - White out Secret card - Dewdrop cure picturing someone thirsty being handed a can of Dew.

[@checkthenutz]

What about the multi colored lands?

[@richardbenitez1656]

I'd order a foil

[@Crushanator1]

Evolving Wilds as the like Mystery Flavor they've had

[@EpicMEF]

Izzit - Voltage Jeskai - liberty chill?

[@repeataftermeme75]

I have a proxy of Command Tower that depicts a giant bottle of ocean spray juice as the tower.

[@YeaItsMeMatt89]

You remember that time commander players literally threatened to kill the rules committee? Do we really want to see the video game version of this?

[@devinkerr5474]

We got this already, a long time ago. We've actually been praying that the MTG community doesn't go the way to the VG industry for years. The video games industry has been slinging death threats for decades.

[@theDemolisher13]

Commander as in a digital format can work as I've been playing it a lot with my friends on TableTop Simulator. But in order for this to work you will need all of the cards, not to change any of the cards text/effects, keep social aspects of the game even if there is a player raging problem. Heck if you do it right this could be a good way for players to test out cards/mechanics that confuse them a little and see how the game processes it. Which will help them take those cards/mechanics/rulings to cardboard games.

[@Did_No_Wrong]

Same. Me and my best buds play all our games on tabletop Sim so we can actually test these decks we were brewing before we invest over 200 bucks to build it. Such a money saver to play digital

[@lemonscentedgames3641]

dont let the normies know about ttsim, thats how hasbro finds out, like when iphone got emulators and vimms lair got hit a month later

[@demonhunter2282]

@@lemonscentedgames3641 Table top simulator is a platform marketed as a game. Everything we use and legality falls under the users.

[@x3mskbord]

slight counterpoint: you really can't play commander with a system that automates for you. commander has so much more going on than any other format; people misplay, miss triggers, and take back actions all the time. in fact, I'd wager it happens so often, most players don't even notice when it happens half the time. in sanctioned events, it's important to keep a correct game state. But for commander, being a casual format, it's sometimes not worth the effort; you're better off just everyone coming to an agreement about how to handle it and move on. Especially the incredibly obscure interactions that an automated system probably won't even handle correctly anyway; mtgo certainly doesn't handle every single non-mainstream interaction correctly. then there's all the shorthand people don't notice. In particular, all the times people pass priority without any sort of response. strictly speaking, each player has to confirm they pass priority after every single spell, ability, and attempt to change steps and phases, but 99% of the time those are just shorthanded to let the active player continue their thing with free reign until someone else verbally interrupts them. an automated system forces you to do those "no responses" properly which eats a lot more time. it's not as big a deal in most formats. But commander, like I said, has a lot going on. There are significantly more triggers, and twice as many players, making that many more instances of a player needing to confirm they pass priority. it gets to the point some youtuber commander groups I've seen purposely tap out and f6 to speed things along, even though that's technically not optimal play (and failure to do so just telegraphs to everyone you have an interaction of some kind). and finally, politics in commander actually involves quite a bit of reverting game state. changing your mind about who to attack, what to target, trying to do something but realizing you can't so you have to "pass priority" and wait for the player you made an agreement with to do something at instant speed first, realizing too late you forgot about some agreement and accidentally broke it, etc. in conclusion: yea, commander as a digital format can work on like tabletop simulator. but it works BECAUSE it's tabletop sim, and all it does is generate objects that you can manipulate at will (and a few simple macros for drawing for turn and losing life and such). one with an enforced built-in rules engine is never going to be truly successful.

[@Stroggoii]

No matter how much "influencers" whine about it being outdated and ugly, the MTGO Commander tables are full 24/7.

[@swampybwoy]

I love it when hasbro gets into huge trouble

[@Mischievous_Moth]

I don't. I want to see Hasbro succeed so they can stop leeching off of WotC.

[@sporebliss]

Of course Chris Cock plays red. Nothing against red players, but Cocks' market strategy *REALLY* reflect the classic red play style of quick, impulsive and aggressive but run out of fuel in late game.

[@willadkins1354]

Black was supposed to be the color of opportunism, but it was red all along.

[@HeshLord]

MtG and Star Wars Action Figures are the two main tentpoles keeping Hasbro from bankruptcy, and they CAN NOT get things right for either player/fan/collector base. It’s kind of pathetic.

[@CrackerSmith]

People wanted to give them more money for the Marvel SLDs, but they didn't let that happen. OFC the investors are gunna be pissed too! What kind of company goes out of the way to overprint crap products, but underprint the good stuff???

[@gilliganallmighty3]

The entire board needs to be forced and barred from business management. They can't even run a toy company.

[@NotoriousM16]

So you’re saying we need a mass board wipe? 🤔

[@gilliganallmighty3]

@@NotoriousM16 nice.

[@Greatestnesss]

If you been in the card business for over 20 years and you don't have a system down by now, you never will... and that's sad 😔

[@kerolokerokerolo]

15:00 No. What prevents edh coming to mtga is the coding. It is such a mess, developers said, it'd be much easier to start coding a brand new game rather than trying to include a multiplayer format into mtga code.

[@Semmelein]

For real? Source nao?

[@zachschwartz8780]

Personally I wish they were hit hard enough that they wouldn't have any choice, but to have to bring their pricing and printing frequencies back to a normal price and frequency. I miss the 4 times a year for commander decks/sets vs every other month.

[@atk9989]

I used to buy every single commander precon that came out when it was 4 times a year and upgrade them because it was cheaper, now i have bought 3 precons this whole year to keep as precons. They get 1/4th the money from me than they used to.

[@jackattackhissnack]

I can't imagine playing commander online with how long 1v1 games on arena take with all the roping.

[@ryanhefner2011]

COVID got investors interested in hobbies during the lockdowns and hobby spending boom. (Which happens in any recession btw) Now they don't know how to handle spending going back to normal. They are ruining gaming. They are ruining card games. Sports is long gone now that they are classified as entertainment and not sporting. Retro games and retro magic are where it's at.

[@Fpsdood]

youre a moron. enjoy your scam investments and relying on machine hardware that only continues to age and become useless. you boomer-brained luddites are worthless to the hobby anyway.

[@gonki5879]

unfortunately you simply cannot have a commander client that does not have access to every card. we have too many alternatives that players already use now. a model that gives free access to every card for maybe an upfront box cost and mtx for cosmetics and collectable variants, but thats also hard to envision since it would invalidate mtga's collecting system a bit

[@genericnameinc]

there are enough options to play commander with access to all cards and for free online already. No need to use a freaking Hasbro monetized client for that

[@cowsquid8859]

You're basically the Auspex Tactics of MTG and I really appreciate it.

[@rngsusgodoflootanddraws9147]

The day I see a headline with "hasbro ceo saves child from burning building" is the day they errata a card called "child from a burning building"

[@riotThomy]

Underrated and clever comment 😂😂😂😊

[@paulwilcken2230]

Love hearing your distillation, your thoughts, and insights. That's what brings us back. YOU. When you're reading the article verbatim...not the same. I want you to be the source, not the article. Link to it and encourage us to read it for context and formulate our own opinion. You reading it out loud - not the value. We want YOU! Keep rocking :)

[@Fluffkitscripts]

One thing I’ve noticed: wizards has a specific vision for how they want people to play commander, what they want to offer with it. You can see it in the precons, it’s a broad swath of playable cards where they can pointedly ignore everything above a certain power level and players focus more on attacking and blocking than the stack. Expect something like that for the “commander video game”: a highly curated experience with a limited card pool, possibly even one with a game structure where you unlock cards as you go and commanders are framed even more as player avatars.

[@nickhewes6860]

It's honestly insane. Whoever their money men are, seem to look at every financial situation, apply common sense, and then do the opposite. I'd very much like to see their logic explained and where they went to school for marketing, economics, business, etc.. Customers SHOUT suggestions to improve the health of the game at Mark Rosewater at a rate of one thousand per minute, I'm sure. He either is fully complicit in the incompetence, has zero power to affect anything within the decision making process, or both. The tighter they clench their fist, the more profits slip through their fingers. Hasbro is stuck in quicksand and despite the millions of customers surrounding them trying to help, they simply will not stop squirming and grab the rope.

[@MatteBl6kGoat]

They're not collectable until they're tradeable. That's where commander online could work. People being able to trade cards they don't need for cards they do need. Maybe through a dusting system or trading system. Also they would need a more robust engine for commander. Arena can't handle 16 doubling seasons yet

[@shirohawke9413]

Wasn't there an Ante rule at one point? Put up your best card type of thing. But instead, it could be for skins maybe.

[@Kr1sKr1ngle]

MTGA has a 100 card singleton brawl format. It's not commander, but the Arena currency system works just fine with it. There may be however many 10s of thousands of cards available for commander players, but you only need 100 for a deck, and that's assuming you use all non basics.

[@syndicate5357]

Everyone threatens to sue if they violate the Reserved List promise but no one suing that theyre violating the agreement made to always produce an "in universe version" of secret layer cards.... courts have upheld that typed statements online are essentially the same as ones in magazines 25 years ago...

[@6000pounds]

Why would anyone be buying hasbro stock at all is beyond me. They don't pay dividends and it's a massive risk

[@Klunkyman]

8:15 THAT explains why red is such a menace in standard!

[@Smithfamilyfitnessprogress]

Spelltable is free you can use your own card if you have a camera or you can use moxfield

[@joeypszczola1391]

I hope they make it like they made magic 2013, 2014, and 2015. Those games were a blast.

[@sakari.niittymaa]

Why doesn't Hasbro sell off MTG ip so it can focus on other things. I believe a better owner could be found who could lovingly handle the best card game of our time. Just wondering...

[@Crushanator1]

Because Hasbro would literally instantly go bankrupt if they sold off WOTC.

[@CmdrGamagosk]

@@Crushanator1they literally would not hahaha.

[@braedonmcphedran6668]

​@@CmdrGamagosk Wizards of the coast is actually one of their biggest cash cows

[@tc5589-1]

Why would they sell their most profitable sector when the player base has demonstrated a willingness to cooperate with milking operations? Gee I wonder.

[@Mirthful_Midori]

Hasbro currently has two kinds of products. The kind that's profitable and the kind that aren't Magic the Gathering. Hasbro would go Tango Uniform virtually overnight if they sold MTG.

[@thevoxdeus]

I'm not a legal expert, but it doesn't sound like Hasbro misled investors at all. They anticipated demand that didn't materialize, and then marked down the value of that excess inventory as they managed to liquidate it and determine a real value for it. It doesn't necessarily reflect well on their leadership that they didn't anticipate that demand would fall as people got the opportunity to travel and attend social gatherings again, but they also didn't pull a full Peloton and leverage the entire future of the company of that bad bet. Being wrong about the future is simply not the same as misleading investors.

[@tc5589-1]

They had years to recognize that they had overstocked and intentionally hid the fact until the losses were unavoidable for investors.

[@Darkvalentine333]

Okay, for the commander thing specifically: The idea of an officially supported Online method of playing commander with proper coding and automatic rules enforcement sounds good in a vacuum, but i worry it ignores SO many things about commander as a hobby, that its doomed to fail. •Monetization: i feel like any method of making money from this is going to fail hard, unless its fully free to play with cosmetic microtransactions, and that still comes with various issues. I also doubt it would happen in the first place. •Modern games are already fighting an increasingly intense battle for hard drive space and player attention. Creating a new client separate from Arena will definitely cause an attention split. Wouldnt their time be better spent finding a way to incorporate it INTO arena? You cant say it takes too much time and effort to add things to arena if youre going to spend the time making a whole new client. Plus, people want to use the cards theyve already unlocked in Arena, not get new cards. •Not only is commander a social game for many people, its also a less formal, less enforced game for many people. Mistakes are taken back, people agree to bend, break, or create rules, and politics are a huge aspect of the game. Thats not gonna work on a computer controlled, rules enforced client. •Commander, both the game and the community, are not one single thing. There are many different ways to play commander, and it means something VERY different to various demographics within the community. How will people ensure they are finding games that are right for them? Low power VS high power, CEDH VS Casual EDH, etc. If you create a hard lined, defined system that decides the power level and "competitiveness" of the decks FOR players, there's a lot of room to screw that up, but if you start creating different banlists for different levels of play, you run the same risk. If you just leave it up to player honest, we already have a massive issue with that in commander. I dont see any good or fair way to balance this.

[@danikirk5774]

Honestly, apps like Tabletop Simulator and Cockatrice allow people to play Commander online, and both systems flow very well and let players talk and interact with each other

[@Tera_GX]

Absence of multiplayer Commander is indeed a big part of why my group hasn't gotten into Arena. But also a big part is the aspect of collection. Decks are so personal in part because collections are so personal. We've been building our collections for decades, and Arena asks us to just put that aside and start over even though it's supposed to be the same game? Though I haven't commited to Arena, I do still have a collection there that is "mine". Asking for yet another separation in that is a difficult ask. But also yes, MTGA really lacks the setup for a social environment. I overall regard this as positive news anyway, how they handle it can still vary.

[@SergeiMosin]

To the question of making digital versions collectible: take a page off MTGO and let people cash in their digital cards for physical ones. Make special treatments that can only be gotten by redeeming digital versions of them. They'd find every possible way to fuck that up, of course, but... it would do it...

[@MrNotBot]

I think they got far too blinded with the Hearthstone's model's success to ever go back to an MTGO model. Even just trading your digital cards is not acceptable in todays Hearthstonized market.

[@SergeiMosin]

@@MrNotBot I could see that, honestly, and it's Hasbro, so they'll fuck it up every which way from sunday no matter what they do. I'm just saying how I'd structure it to drive a player base to want to collect the cards. Create special physical cards that can only be acquired by redeeming them in game, cause them to be a rare drop from digital booster packs, and allow sales of digital cards on a built in market place where they take a cut of every sale using an in game currency a la Warframe. That would create a thriving ecosystem of demand for the special card treatments, then monetize the hell out of that ecosystem, and allow them to also make a massively popular product that caters to the collector market AND the player market at the same time.

[@razornoir8488]

i think digital collectables are the most ridiculous thing ☠️ because to me they just aren't real, just pixels on a screen. I do think a accessible digital commander format would be cool because i don't have access to my lgs all the time and it would be nice to play games from home, it just depends on how you have access to cards. a monthly fee would be cool if it's less than like $20 but if you had to buy every card then i probably wouldn't bother

[@CharlesLeeRay812]

That last line at the 6:00 mark Hasbro experts the company to be down 14% overall in 2024. That doesn't make any sense.

[@ktvx.94]

Having such a greedy company looking to make cards "more collectible" than in Arena sounds like it would be a pain in the ***/ pay to have your cards.

[@evilninjoe]

Saddest thing in this vid is hearing the film business being solid cause that D&D movie was alot of fun.

[@samtheking14]

*Willy Wonka disappointed that he didn’t get the golden ticket from his chocolate bar* is what I thought of when the CEO opened one of his packs lol.

[@MrGrimord]

Commander doesn't need a video-game version. It needs to stay at its roots: a fun social game.

[@GodwynDi]

The lack of social aspect is what drove me away from Arena.

[@dragade101]

I think we need to take a moment and appreciate how social Magic is. MTGA is not this. Some players apparently do not play Magic to play a social game. But for the rest of us (70% to 90%?), we enjoy The Gathering. It is why Commander is popular. MTGA has a long ways to go before it is economically pleasant to onboard new players (new to MTGA). MTGA needs to be reason to play with a friend than preferring paper cause MTGA does all the things paper does (whilst being more convenient. Such as seeing your friend on Sunday night and you two can get in a game before getting off. With 50 to 100 friends, surely a few are on each night of the week so any night you have time, you could play with not(stranger).). Its strange that WotC doesn’t understand this. Cause they will not get this for some time (if we are lucky)

[@Lovelysoyaa-xd5op]

So many cards are legal in commander. Do they enough storage for all those cards.

[@paulwallace6121]

You have to ask why. Why did they stop print to demand? Could there be people who are working in the company in charge of these decisions who are running the bots soaking up inventory and selling things on the secondary market for a huge mark up? If I was a share holder I would be asking for this to be investigated.

[@leofireball8064]

What else is new with Hasbro these days lol

[@nickjoseph77]

I bought $200 into hasbro with a gift in May 2021, sold it at a loss down to $112 in December 2023. I can't tell if there were too many bad promises made and bad investments by the company, they were giving too many bonuses to higher ups, or pushing too much of wotc's profits into the main company to prop up the dying beast that is 100 year old board games. I just know I lost $80 on an investment into a company that was talking mad game about their crazy sales from 2019 to 2021.

[@everestl5426]

At first i thought it was a big distro selling bundles to costco, but maybe its harbro directly? Super curious

[@christiansmith49]

It'll be interesting to see if this impacts any UB contracts

[@magic_claw]

These lawsuits are very common. Just disgruntled investors. Often thrown out unless there was deliberate fraud/concealment. At the most, settled out of court. Part of running a public business these days. Wouldn't read too much into it. Definitely doesn't warrant a long-ass video.

[@Crushanator1]

If it's major shareholders demanding to know why they're doing something that makes every customer mad enough they quit buying and makes a little bit of money vs making every customer happy to continue buying and making 100x more money then that's not exactly a spurious lawsuit.

[@magic_claw]

@Crushanator1 Nah, it's only a lawsuit if what is said on the forms filed with the SEC is provably false/misleading/false by omission etc. What you are describing is more analyst or activist territory and HAS happened before to Hasbro. Quite famously, Bank of America downgraded Hasbro for squeezing the proverbial golden goose that that is Magic. If you have problems with how a business is run, you sell and buy a different company. You don't have enough claim to sue them in court.

[@bradsimpson8724]

Long-ass videos with sensationalist headlines and very little meat are how these content creators farm clicks for money, though.

[@finna1002]

What happened bro why are you making content like this, I miss the old videos

[@finalrambobino]

Drama farming

[@finna1002]

@ unfortunately

[@Mark-sz5rh]

I can verify that Chris Cocks does indeed play MtG with other co-workers, people who come in. I haven't seen him play at any Commander game yet, but I may have just missed that.

[@ongakuchan587]

I'm surprised they haven't done a subscription model with unlimited access to all cards, especially for commander.

[@dannybeane2069]

15:55 What and NOT randomize the odds, introducing gambling aspects, and make a hierarchy of haves and have-nots? HILARIOUS

[@jaynieves7876]

If they do commander digital they should allow scanning your own deck and be able to use the deck you already have but if you want to upgrade you can purchase other cards

[@davestier6247]

"Potentially" separate doesn't mean separate...did OP miss this word in there or just chose to ignore?

[@masq456]

I would be facinated to know how they would program every legal card into commander online or whatever they will call the thing.

[@death-kyun]

If I cant gaslight the table into thinking I'm not the threat over VC I don't want it

[@JohnTalbane87]

A commander video game sounds like a programming nightmare

[@D1scount.Dru1d]

The comparison to Marvel Snap is especially concerning. I was an entrenched player for a while, and I don't think I've played a single other game with a more predatory, greedy monetization.

[@FreeAtlas.]

If i can successfully play commander on TTG simulator, there is no way they can’t manage to build a functional commander game for multiplayer

[@tc5589-1]

A magic tv show? There’s no way they try that now. It would be a stupid move after decimating their lore value.

[@M1cromanag3r]

100 to 1, their idea for the Commander focused game will be a subscription based service

[@jasonmccoy3280]

I would just like to see them do this per year. Three main sets. One reprint set. And maybe one to two universes beyond. And the universe is beyond are not standard legal. And the reprint set has some of the hard to get singles for instance the one ring and others that are used. And make them at a decent price.

[@gnome98]

The coding for a commander video game would be a nightmare

[@ArcDragoon]

Just say it. The reason why Hasbro and WotC are working on another online client for Commander is so they can get players to double dip. Why make players pay once for a copy of a card when you can get them to pay twice? The reason why they won't put Commander on Arena isn't because of the limited card pool, but because you already own those cards. They want you to buy them again. They don't want you just spending Wild cards to make Commander decks, they want to squeeze the consumer for the very last drop of their blood.

[@cornxx3]

I wouldnt necessarily say its them trying to double dip. Quadruple dipping- Paper/MTGO/Arena and whatever they want to come out with.

[@disconsolator]

if anyone really wanted to take hasbro/wizards down, there could be a class action lawsuit regarding the curling of their foil cards

[@bigturkey1]

why have a bunch of the commander precons gone up in price a lot? i got into commander over the summer and bought a few decks for around $30 each, now those decks going for like 90. i could of got veliciramptor, necron dynasties, squirrel bloomborrow comander for 50 and now those are 100+. ive considered just selling off the decks i bought and be done with it, magic is a rich mans sport and its largely pay to win.

[@Quarrenn17]

That would be because supply is much lower the longer time passes since release. The sealed commander decks get more expensive because they haven’t been opened, so the more are opened the more expensive the sealed copies get.

[@tc5589-1]

After release the pre cons rise to more appropriately reflect cost of value cards within them since people will buy them for those cards. Either for use or resale

[@terrynichols4509]

MtgA is pretty well setup but the servers could not handle 4 players. It can barely handle 2 people pull random janky combos or infinite combos. So it would have to be a separate game. Something close to MTGO could work

[@wittmoneyman]

I'm all for it. The game will survive without Hasbro putting the game into the dirt.

[@starsstripesjacket]

Just combine arena and MTGO. I'm never playing MTGO because I can't play unless I'm at a computer. Being able to play anywhere is why I like arena. But I would love the card trading and being able to play true commander of MTGO. Making another completely separate app and keeping the other two is insanity for the developers and players.

[@dragade101]

Depends on your perspective of "good". They can burn quite honestly. Both Hasbro and WotC have been mismanaging Magic. Not like this will break Hasbro fully but hopefully it will make them less greedy?

[@elivaughn4763]

Can you show me the spot on the chart after the chase cards got banned?

[@elwynotter-raven2006]

I get that these episodes are kinda just on the fly but you should definitely check what is going on with the stuff that you're referencing because MtGO absolutely does have a recurring payment system to base a subscription system off of. Video game commander sounds cool I hope they don't fuck it up

[@randomaether]

Why would people play commander in Arena, when it would cost them 200 eurso to build a commander deck, when they can spend that to get an IRL commander deck and have spare cash

[@user-ck9tb4fv2x]

People want commander ON ARENA. They want the nice looking ui, the cards they already unlocked. Plus an easier way to get more because digital is looking like the main way to play. Commander already is played on MTG Online. They can do it. You can also do an craft uncraft system to get wildcards back.

[@thegrandstory5186]

Print to demand with a collectible is short term cash grab. Limited supply means longevity of then game.

[@penguinwarcry]

SNAP is the opposite of collectable, it's a money pit with no return on investment other than playing what you have. There is no resale, there is no return on "collecting" high value cards. I've been playing SNAP as a FTP player off and on for about a year and have maybe 40% of the cards... the game has only been out for 2 years and there are only 300~ cards.

[@GreenwhiteblueGWU]

I can't see commander being successful on something like Arena.. getting 4 random people to sit and play an hour+ long game will be hard to pull off.

[@ryanshaw4907]

pov not a single person is on their side, maybe now wizards could come free that shady business could break some some of contract

[@KHJohan]

commander being 4v4 is about the social aspect, you cant digitize that

[@dantevalentine7649]

Why not just upgrade Arena's game engine and whatnot? Im not too keen to go to a different game app and have to regain my entire collection from scratch.

[@Savepointgoodsounds]

A separate game would be dead on arrival unless it’s in arena. Hasbro’s leadership is out of touch

[@christianschnurpel3260]

hopefully a commander video game doesn't hurt our LGS too much

[@tc5589-1]

Commander simply isn’t nearly as much fun when not in person. I doubt commander online would perform well

[@alfadum]

if they're gonna make digital versions of magic like marvel snap. mtg puzzle quest is still out there getting updates and is up to foundations so far.

[@SaltySparrow]

There is infinitely more negative press than positive. Investors do not like that either. I wish WOTC would just split back off.

[@JoeyTwoAnkles]

Mitch, I don’t understand. You have a my little pony magic deck that you have to ask if it’s alright for you to play. Who cares if it’s SpongeBob. I’ve never had the feeling of how much I love style of my deck be affected by the style of my opponents’. I don’t care if you’re a pony, a sponge, or a noble demon vampire. They all look the same when Gargos is chewing on them.

[@TokeNygaard]

All resources going to a new online commander experience means no resources for Arena.

[@playersinexile72]

Are you not assuming Hasbro == WOTC when in reality Hasbro > WOTC so the stock could be completely unrelated.

[@CostumedGamer]

I'd be ok with less splashy graphics and precons only for the commander video game

[@BradleyRicks]

Check out Exodus, looks fantastic through the video so far.

[@charlescarter7970]

Giant Land Fill full of Magic cards: all Homelands and Fallen Empire

[@clintcook8691]

Of course they're gonna make another game for online commander instead of just adding to Arena. because "fuck you give me money and pay for the same cards again."

[@MitchT97]

They can shut down a game at any time. You aren’t ever really collecting unless it’s physical. You could play this new game for years only to lose countless decks and an insane amount of cards. Even if you never spend a dime, not worth too much investing into.

[@Alakaya_]

There’s an easy way to play commander online. Tabletop sim exists.

[@origamiknight3754]

So we are still getting the MTG show?

[@Adalftw]

Pretty sure is in development hell for a while now

[@GregFougere]

This explains Foundations, when you think about it.