Hasselblad, Kodak, & Apollo 11

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grainydays

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@justanotherdude4168
@justanotherdude4168 5 жыл бұрын
Imagine having to be the one to develop the film. Thats more pressure than the astronauts.
@dantheman2907
@dantheman2907 5 жыл бұрын
You're not kidding!
@adrianzaharia8885
@adrianzaharia8885 5 жыл бұрын
-272*C in space...how did the roll of film did not crack when was roled to the next frame...it is thi plastic. Spoked with Hasselblad about his and when I asked they didin't responde me anymore. BS. I recomand this video Of Stanley Kubrick: we.tl/t-pM2H7adeIT
@MacinteuchPlus
@MacinteuchPlus 5 жыл бұрын
@@adrianzaharia8885 space is rarely -272°c on the moon, since it's in full sunlight on the photos, it would oscillate between 125°c and -175°c, also keep in mind that it's total vacuum out there, so temperature exchanges work differently than in a usual atmosphere, therefore the cold wouldn't be such an issue, the biggest issue here would probably be drastic temperature shifts, but the rolls of film were protected by the camera body so that didn't wreck them
@adrianzaharia8885
@adrianzaharia8885 5 жыл бұрын
@@MacinteuchPlus Thermodynamics dude...you are talking really STUPID SHIT!!! No offense. Put o roll of film in your freezer over night, take it out and then try to roll it. It will crack...already did that but try it. And you should be ashame of what you just wrote as an answer. Just learn before you speek. The camera body protect it by the space cold? Are you serious dude?????? C'mon...even a 5 year old knows that that can't protect anything by the cold. BTW your freezer runs at about -20*C...-30*C the industrial ones. That's a fact. And just for your knowledge and pls take it as an advice from a guy that has learn phisics and optics for most of his life...inform yourself and get proof about what you speek/preach/teach, etc....otherwise you will put some stupid shit in the minds of lots and lots of people on this platform and not only. Sorry for my english...it is not my native language.
@MacinteuchPlus
@MacinteuchPlus 5 жыл бұрын
@@adrianzaharia8885 Dude, vacuum has conditions different to a pressured atmosphere, heat doesn't leave an object quickly because it has nothing to transfer itself to, the thing that has the most effect on temperature up there is whether or not it's in the sunlight, protect it from the sunlight and you will protect it from big temperature changes. Now go get educated and don't insult me anymore, you pathetic excuse of a human being.
@Sreybk
@Sreybk 4 жыл бұрын
My old man buzzed on this episode. He was a contract aerospace engineer for NASA during the Apollo missions. He thought it was cool that Hasselblads were still up there. He got me my first film camera. "Hasselblads? I haven't heard that name in awhile," he said.
@MAJORFR0
@MAJORFR0 5 жыл бұрын
Found myself pondering what was used for those crispy moon bangers and stumbled onto this; great stuff!!
@grainydaysss
@grainydaysss 5 жыл бұрын
hahaha crispy moon bangers
@asystole_
@asystole_ 3 жыл бұрын
"crispy moon bangers" sounds like a delicious snack
@mikejankowski6321
@mikejankowski6321 3 жыл бұрын
@@asystole_ Made of moon cheese if it had not been rocks and dust.
@spiderjuice9874
@spiderjuice9874 5 жыл бұрын
Found this after rediscovering my ancient Hasselblad 500C - apparently, the last one of these was made in 1957, so, if nothing else, I have in my possession a fully functioning mechanical artifact from over 60 years ago. It is not the model that went to the Moon - as you mention - but it does have a space connection after all: Walter Schirra took it up with him on his Mercury flight in 1962. Thanks for sharing your research with us!
@imanevilpotatoe7546
@imanevilpotatoe7546 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, you are one lucky man
@spiderjuice9874
@spiderjuice9874 5 жыл бұрын
@@imanevilpotatoe7546 Oops! Re-reading my comment, I realise that I may have given the impression that my actual camera went up in a Mercury; while it may have been the one, I would suggest this is extremely unlikely. I was just trying to say that my model of camera - the 500C - was said to be the one to go up that time. Hope this makes things a bit clearer!
@imanevilpotatoe7546
@imanevilpotatoe7546 5 жыл бұрын
@@spiderjuice9874 No worries, I was saying that just by the fact that you own one haha
@spiderjuice9874
@spiderjuice9874 5 жыл бұрын
@@imanevilpotatoe7546 They are a good camera, and affordable these days, if you can find one that is!
@iNerdier
@iNerdier 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry to ruin your mystique but the 500C *started* production in 1957, mine for example is from 1960. They made them up until the C/M in 1970.
@jancovanderwesthuizen8070
@jancovanderwesthuizen8070 5 жыл бұрын
Hasselblad cameras, Omega watches and Corvettes Damn I wish I were a 1960s astronaut
@kennarajora6532
@kennarajora6532 3 жыл бұрын
probably not the reason they became astronauts, but it's definitely a good bonus in case you weren't on board already.
@declanwhite9339
@declanwhite9339 5 жыл бұрын
Love what you're doing man! This shit is hilarious!! Just a quick thing that 120 film isn't 120mm, it's actually 61mm. 120 was just kodak's number to name the film type. Hence 70mm film is actually larger than 120 film But please keep doing what you're doing, I bloody love it!!
@grainydaysss
@grainydaysss 5 жыл бұрын
Yea you're totally right dude, I have since learned the errors of my ways and need to find a way to correct this video
@luca_hc_gruber
@luca_hc_gruber 5 жыл бұрын
I think 120cm would be correct as it refers to the length of the film (if I remember correctly). Hence 220 Film being a thing, it's just longer.
@canturgan
@canturgan 5 жыл бұрын
It's about 4 times bigger than 35mm.
@Ava-wu4qp
@Ava-wu4qp 5 жыл бұрын
@@luca_hc_gruber correct. 120 refers to the film length. *Correction: 120 is 83-85cm long. Apologies for the hasty assumption.
@filmbyhari
@filmbyhari 5 жыл бұрын
@@Ava-wu4qp Nope, 120 film is about 85cm long. 120 refers to the numbering system used by Kodak.
@MrSound4pictures
@MrSound4pictures Жыл бұрын
the films used were estar based, this base on which the emulsion was poured was strong enough to withstand the temperature differences and would therefore not break in the camera while being transported to the next frame. I used this type of film in the 1980's and it was commercially available as Kodak Technical Pan Film. This was a very slow dokument film in 135 casettes for Leica and the alike cameras. but with the correct developer and exposure you could get an extremely fine grain normal contrast negative out of it. You could not tear it it had to be cut.
@AeromaticXD
@AeromaticXD Жыл бұрын
Wow such fascinating insight!
@MacShootsFilm
@MacShootsFilm 5 жыл бұрын
Hilarious and informative! Keep posting, dude!
@TanyaOfMars
@TanyaOfMars Жыл бұрын
My whole career basically has been working in science and mission operations for space cameras, mostly on/orbiting Mars. Since I was also a photographer outside of that, thanks to the Moon connection, I always wanted a Hasselblad. After my first holiday bonus at my first space camera job, I went to the local shop and amazingly there was a mint condition 500c with every accessory you could possibly imagine on consignment from its original owner. He was a photojournalist back in the day. It felt like fate so I immediately bought it and it’s been a prized possession for many years now. ❤ Love the amount of detail you went into in this video, down to the film types!
@coleturner3859
@coleturner3859 5 жыл бұрын
#wanderlust
@grainydaysss
@grainydaysss 5 жыл бұрын
#travelblogger
@LetterBeacon
@LetterBeacon 5 жыл бұрын
Watched this video last night and loved it. Woke up this morning with a start - "Wait, 70mm isn't smaller than 120 film!" Logged onto KZbin and saw that another film nerd had already got that covered in the comments. I drifted back off to sleep, content.
@RegDoesStuff
@RegDoesStuff 5 жыл бұрын
That zooming effet tho. S*** tipsy af
@Shmyrk
@Shmyrk 4 жыл бұрын
WTF was going on? I shit wasn’t getting any closer but was totally getting closer.
@SINotFound
@SINotFound 5 жыл бұрын
This is an AMAZING video, you deserve way more subscribers!
@carotherscontent
@carotherscontent 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I like the guy who wrecked Robert capas D-day photos
@tlm2096
@tlm2096 2 жыл бұрын
Did not expect to find you guys here
@cronkitesatellite
@cronkitesatellite 3 жыл бұрын
Great vids man. Funny and informative. Keep it up!!
@Emariess
@Emariess 4 ай бұрын
I’ve had these images on rotation as my screensaver for like 15 years now, they’re so fascinating to look at.
@hesherson
@hesherson 5 жыл бұрын
I'd love a history lesson in this teaching format you have going on lmao
@plestj
@plestj 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Jason, your research paid off as this is a very interesting video. You did a great job with your dry sense of humor! Makes me want to break out my Olympus XA2 camera again! Keep up the great work. Anthony.
@rams6702
@rams6702 5 жыл бұрын
Lunachrome, anyone?
@tnomnation
@tnomnation 5 жыл бұрын
You're an awesome creator!! I love the dosage of humor injected into the rather informative nature of the video
@grainydaysss
@grainydaysss 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support dawg! :)
@Dwaynefreeman
@Dwaynefreeman 4 жыл бұрын
Jason, we need more videos like this, seriously.
@BrandonEckroth
@BrandonEckroth 4 жыл бұрын
Working my way back on your videos, and this is one of my favorites. Nice work putting it all together!
@ratulmondal4111
@ratulmondal4111 5 жыл бұрын
can anyone do a tutorial on how to make those amazing picture parallax animations please ?
@opwindmuis
@opwindmuis 5 жыл бұрын
Ratul Mondal just leaving a comment in case someone anwsers
@Entutu
@Entutu 5 жыл бұрын
I got the answers ! :D I believe he used a plugin called VoluMax.I use it a lot while editing.. It cost like 60$ but if you can't afford it i can kinda sorta send you the whole project... Here is the link for the plugin : kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWPHnKqtgN1-o9k videohive.net/item/volumax-3d-photo-animator/13646883
@gdeech
@gdeech 5 жыл бұрын
@@Entutu You're a legend I love you
@Entutu
@Entutu 5 жыл бұрын
@@gdeech np bro ! glad i can help!
@LouisMihai
@LouisMihai 5 жыл бұрын
Can I get in on that project?
@shotbymeck
@shotbymeck 5 жыл бұрын
Day 4 night 5: I’m still thinking of those hasselblad cameras it hurts... I’m hoping to to hop on that trip to Mars and stop halfway to pick one up but who knows 🤷🏼‍♂️
@observanus
@observanus 6 ай бұрын
My grandfather actually worked on the space-division of Hasselblad. He is passed away so I can’t ask about the lubricant-issue but I asked my dad if he ever mentioned it and the best guess was that they just went without oil in the cameras since it was for a limited time it would probably do without. Great video as always!
@bradleyrex2968
@bradleyrex2968 5 ай бұрын
They used graphite.
@narajuna
@narajuna 5 ай бұрын
So limited time it was, but they took a hell of LOT photos, regular Japanese....
@DeputyNordburg
@DeputyNordburg 5 ай бұрын
@@narajuna With photos and samples being the listed primary purpose of the missions it astonishing how much time they wasted taking photos. I'll bet if we checked we'd find they also slacked off and collected rock and dirt. Like we don't have enough rock and dirt here on Earth!
@jat5am
@jat5am 2 жыл бұрын
informative and hilarious. waiting for those hassels to be found!
@dylancasewhite
@dylancasewhite 4 жыл бұрын
“those ice cold hasselblad bodies”
@mgscheue
@mgscheue Жыл бұрын
Wow, just found this after binging your other videos. So good!
@stuartbaines2843
@stuartbaines2843 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks really neat video of background to those historic shots 👍👾
@aribetterlari
@aribetterlari 3 жыл бұрын
Dope typeface (font) use bro! Dope video
@mgalitratonafeelingfilm
@mgalitratonafeelingfilm 2 жыл бұрын
man, I just love your videos. this video is hilarious and informative at the same time. thank you
@gpdoyon
@gpdoyon 4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed your very informative--with just the right amount of humor--history lesson on the Hasselblad cameras that went to the moon. Thanks!
@stefanbendik26
@stefanbendik26 5 жыл бұрын
That was damn good. And those animations made out of pictures were really cool.
@Incredzible
@Incredzible 6 жыл бұрын
Super cool stuff!! Thanks for the vid! Keep on keepin on 👍
@architdharod9355
@architdharod9355 5 жыл бұрын
About using conventional lubricants in the camera, (i think) they use parts made out of gold/gold alloys, because apparently gold is pretty smooth too. And price tags are not an issue for them. Learnt this recently in collage.
@grainydaysss
@grainydaysss 5 жыл бұрын
that's awesome!
@architdharod9355
@architdharod9355 5 жыл бұрын
@@grainydaysss thanks so much for this video :D even though i have seen so many pictures of apollo and moon etc, it never occurred to me how they actually would have done it. in retrospect DUH hasselblad :D . this is such a cool video. i want to thank youtube algorithm for spitting out this beautiful beautiful video.
@geradebowden3293
@geradebowden3293 5 жыл бұрын
Archit Dharod so Gucci !
@statelypenguin
@statelypenguin 5 жыл бұрын
@shillslayer How did the astronauts survive then?
@statelypenguin
@statelypenguin 5 жыл бұрын
​@shillslayer Yeah that was explained. They used zone focusing. I don't know what the zone of focus is on a 60mm Zeiss lens at f16 since I'm nowhere near rich enough to purchase one, but on my cheap Nikon lens its about 4 feet to infinity. Anything within that range will be of acceptable focus. But of course, you probably knew that. Because why else would a moon truther be blowing up the comment section of a photography video on KZbin...
@collinyung7225
@collinyung7225 5 жыл бұрын
something about your videos is just nice and pleasing and nice
@TheKamrenB
@TheKamrenB 3 жыл бұрын
HOW do you do that 3D photo effect? Especially at 2:04 ??
@Brendan9674
@Brendan9674 5 жыл бұрын
That was a very good Mini-doc on Space Stuff!
@AeromaticXD
@AeromaticXD 5 жыл бұрын
Honestly, this is so fascinating.
@paulmurphypudsey3304
@paulmurphypudsey3304 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, well put together enjoyed it
@trailersandstuff2413
@trailersandstuff2413 5 жыл бұрын
I've been following you for some time now. Great work dude.
@TwinCitiesTopDownPhotography
@TwinCitiesTopDownPhotography 4 жыл бұрын
Just got a Canon AE-1 so excited. Great Video Love your shit
@Unsanctioned_wa
@Unsanctioned_wa 3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah I find this interesting, space (especially Apollo era) and photography is my jam!
@badbenjy
@badbenjy 4 жыл бұрын
Id love to see more stuff like this... Whatever you are interested in, there is a Good chance others are too.
@ElReySupr3me
@ElReySupr3me 4 жыл бұрын
"OMG Tag Me" that was funny ahhaa
@wheezu1
@wheezu1 5 жыл бұрын
Super sick video. 10/10 straight up linked this to everyone I know.
@LO_FIDELITY
@LO_FIDELITY 5 жыл бұрын
What program is that to make those kinds of animations out of pictures? :) It is really cool.
@turmachine
@turmachine 5 жыл бұрын
Not sure what he's using specifically, but i'm sure you can create a similar effect by keyframing the zoom and tilt of the photo behind the square mask.
@neoa0881
@neoa0881 5 жыл бұрын
It would be amazing if he make a tutorial of how he does those animation, are completely awesome!
@philipstrachan455
@philipstrachan455 3 ай бұрын
I wonder if they used some kind of dry lubricant like teflon (TM) or graphite or something? Great research and video, thanks :-)
@EsmelkiNunez
@EsmelkiNunez 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, i absolutely love your videos!
@areebahmad6460
@areebahmad6460 5 жыл бұрын
Hey any idea how they prevented the film from being irradiated during flight an usage?
@areebahmad6460
@areebahmad6460 5 жыл бұрын
I researched the answer myself. Apparently lower speed film transparency film does not irradiate as much as negative. They also in development took into account the radiation effects for minor radiation effect. Reminder there are many photos of Chernobyl on film and that was FAR worse radiation.
@Walkercolt1
@Walkercolt1 5 жыл бұрын
shillslyaer is full of himself. the magazines of the Lunar Hasselblads had lead foil inside them, according to NASA and Hasselblad, but you can't take sharp photographs without a viewfinder...
@klaushuxley3342
@klaushuxley3342 4 жыл бұрын
@@Walkercolt1 Except for the part about how in the 21st century Nasa will tell you they don't know how to get through the Van Allen belt, lol. It was the 'Cold War,' and any means to beat the Soviets was going to be used....including fakery. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3Wlc4itmd6taqs You can also watch videos of these clowns claiming they 'destroyed the telemetry data.' Sorry, the world is not as we've been taught in public school.
@Xormac2
@Xormac2 3 жыл бұрын
@@klaushuxley3342 tinfoil hat
@ColinBloodworth
@ColinBloodworth 5 жыл бұрын
This was crazy interesting. Thanks for making it.
@NerdInventor
@NerdInventor 2 жыл бұрын
...Bastard! Now I will also dream of those cameras... Loved every second of this video!
@bobfreuden
@bobfreuden 4 жыл бұрын
How were the cameras pressurized?
@vickakuzu
@vickakuzu 3 жыл бұрын
What a dope video man!
@Spencer_White
@Spencer_White 4 жыл бұрын
Proper cool, great info! Thanks dude!
@severinemil878
@severinemil878 3 жыл бұрын
great Video! but acn you pls tell us how you did the depth effect in the chapter photos? can you do this with an extra software or how did you do this?
@LOZ8619
@LOZ8619 5 жыл бұрын
Glad they put a coldshoe on it
@peterregan9057
@peterregan9057 3 жыл бұрын
Where did you get the lunar surface photos?
@imanevilpotatoe7546
@imanevilpotatoe7546 5 жыл бұрын
Super cool video, just what I needed ✨
@CarmineGroe
@CarmineGroe 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool - Thanks for sharing!
@ottoburgess1555
@ottoburgess1555 5 жыл бұрын
dupont krytox, in various viscosities, is likely what was used in these cameras
@ikmarsarbini3337
@ikmarsarbini3337 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for making an effort to make this video.. i love it
@kohrah8655
@kohrah8655 3 жыл бұрын
5:40 Kodak Apollochrome... I'd buy it
@PrairieDad
@PrairieDad 2 жыл бұрын
It turns out one of the lunar cameras was brought back with Apollo 14. It's in the camera exhibit at the Cosmosphere in Hutchinson, Kansas.
@dantheman2907
@dantheman2907 5 жыл бұрын
I wanna snag one of them moon hassies so bad.
@davidsaylors
@davidsaylors 5 жыл бұрын
This has to be the best history lesson about photography I have ever seen. FAM! 😎 I love the commentary between NASA and Hassleblad!!!! Well done.
@geradebowden3293
@geradebowden3293 5 жыл бұрын
They should have used Olympus Trip 35’s
@grainydaysss
@grainydaysss 5 жыл бұрын
haha
@warpnin3
@warpnin3 5 жыл бұрын
Me: thinking about the gloves on those spacesuits...
@tonycostanzo4383
@tonycostanzo4383 5 жыл бұрын
That was great. Good work!
@Nomprénom-x9k
@Nomprénom-x9k 3 жыл бұрын
About lubricant free mechanisms : tungsten disulphide.
@albertmeyer8983
@albertmeyer8983 4 жыл бұрын
Super cool history lesson!
@armondme
@armondme 5 жыл бұрын
Hey man how did you do the parallax animation on the photos, Ive been trying for weeks and they look like trash! I would appreciate the help! Thanks
@Suicamera_1003
@Suicamera_1003 4 ай бұрын
There's something I'm curious about. As you can see in the picture, the hasselblad distributed to nasa looks like it doesn't have a mirror box, but I wonder how it was taken
@parkbenchsnom
@parkbenchsnom Жыл бұрын
Chugging a flaming hot mountain dew every day until Kodak releases Lunachrome
@Puxan
@Puxan 3 жыл бұрын
That parallax effect anyone? Damn.
@drradon
@drradon 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. What Microphone are you using?
@kevinrusch3627
@kevinrusch3627 Жыл бұрын
Well the lubricants wouldn't *dissolve* in a vacuum. Some would freeze and some would evaporate. You're looking at zero air pressure and temperature ranges from roughly -300F to +400F. So a light oil would almost certainly evaporate, and a thick grease would probably freeze. It'd be a great reason to invent teflon, but I don't think they were there yet.
@samthekingyo
@samthekingyo 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video - got me thinking about how they lubricated the cameras. At the vacuum levels on the lunar surface my guess is they they may have used some sort of dry lubricant like molybdenum or tungsten disulfide. A bit of research says the latter is extensively used by NASA so that's my guess. Not sourced though
@richardmortenson8525
@richardmortenson8525 Сағат бұрын
There’s an earlier connection between Astronaut Michael Collins and Hasselblad cameras: In 1966, on Gemini 10, he lost his on a spacewalk. Last I heard it’s still up there in low-Earth orbit. (or maybe not)
@rugosotv
@rugosotv 2 жыл бұрын
This got me subscribed to this channel
@cinialvespow1054
@cinialvespow1054 3 жыл бұрын
Is that the helios/ zenit lens?
@AeromaticXD
@AeromaticXD 4 жыл бұрын
Kodak should do the “Moonchrome” thing in 2024 when NASA and Space X go back!
@colejensen6397
@colejensen6397 5 жыл бұрын
This is amazing. Thank you
@lost_pictures
@lost_pictures 5 жыл бұрын
Wow this video was exact that stuff of video that I want to watch!
@Ben-ig3bf
@Ben-ig3bf 3 жыл бұрын
1:31 actually, the h6d series still is a dslr and not a mirrorless camera. The H6d-400c is an incredible camera btw, but that is probably pretty obvious. Even the H3d-39 still is pretty fucking awesome
@seventeendegree
@seventeendegree 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Did you film yourself with the Helios 44 lens?
@rexykoh
@rexykoh 4 жыл бұрын
that dutch angle punchline got me laughing my a** off man! Thank you for posting this.
@michaeldimmitt2188
@michaeldimmitt2188 3 жыл бұрын
Haven’t goggled it yet...this is a gay sex thing... nsfw?
@AeromaticXD
@AeromaticXD 4 жыл бұрын
And they’re going back up soon!
@michaeldimmitt2188
@michaeldimmitt2188 3 жыл бұрын
China wants to get there first, maybe to grab the cameras to sell and finance their world domination plans...
@TheBrotographer
@TheBrotographer 3 жыл бұрын
I've thought about those cameras on the moon waaaaay too much.
@Just-the-Gameplay
@Just-the-Gameplay 2 жыл бұрын
New sub here.. Do you have anymore videos like this? This story was sick! what about modern cameras on the ISS?
@SamMcGhee
@SamMcGhee 4 жыл бұрын
I’ll be lying awake at night thinking about those ice cold Blads on the moon... 😢
@me.my.son.and.i
@me.my.son.and.i 5 жыл бұрын
Great vid! Informative and entertaining. Give me more
@purpole
@purpole 4 жыл бұрын
Curious how you got the push pull effect going on in the photos? Would love the insight if you don't mind sharing it.
@GavinRemme
@GavinRemme 5 жыл бұрын
Oh shit, tag me 😂 Loved this.
@tommynobaka
@tommynobaka 5 жыл бұрын
The fuckin pepperjack slapped on the salami as a stand in for the filter killed me 💀💀
@boycharles9166
@boycharles9166 5 жыл бұрын
Damn I found this channel too late what was I doing in my life
@CARdasians
@CARdasians 5 жыл бұрын
man this channel..damn im a fan!
@PaulJonker
@PaulJonker 4 жыл бұрын
return trip to the moon will probably be more affordable than that Hasselblad
@TheBigpimpballer
@TheBigpimpballer 4 жыл бұрын
Lunachrome would be a dope name
@NicholasAndre1
@NicholasAndre1 4 жыл бұрын
I just picked up a 500cm with a 150mm F4. That thing is amazing, just mints beautiful pictures. Has caused me to continue to acquire more lenses 😂
@leejamesphoto
@leejamesphoto 3 жыл бұрын
Its insane that theres cameras still up there...
@michaeldimmitt2188
@michaeldimmitt2188 3 жыл бұрын
littering is a crime down here... time for a policy change before we mess up the moon too
@Andregg2
@Andregg2 4 жыл бұрын
120 film its not 120mm, its just a codename for medium format 5:15
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