Shooting a .06 ISO/ASA Film

[@WillemVerb]

brb moving to california for that light wow

[@theonlinelime1992]

Honestly same... if I could that is lmao

[@maxwellwellmax878]

the Afternoon light has been pretty interesting as of late, I dont remember it being this way years past.

[@alexandermeisel4585]

I just waited for the day willem verbeek discovers this treasure of a youtube account.

[@loydryot1921]

Can I get my hopes up that one day the opportunity arises that you and grainydays get together for some collab, a PhotoTalks episode maybe?

[@AnalogProcess]

Right? North East has such bad light in comparison...

[@mattdayphoto]

1:25 Damn, Caleb like L O V E S film.

[@grainydaysss]

Yea he's very "enthusiastic" about it

[@ddgarage7025]

I need that spool winder in my life, what is it?

[@michapurzynski8509]

@@ddgarage7025 looks like this one? martinbaileyphotography.com/2019/10/31/the-lab-box-daylight-loading-film-tank-podcast-682/ didn't @Matt Day review something similar one day?

[@atlasbesikniyo8753]

I think that's a Lab Box.

[@AeromaticXD]

I mean, unlike a partner - or if you suck at photography -, film will never let you down!

[@petersom6814]

That “17 is basically 20.” Joke was slick.

[@alexandermeisel4585]

Finally. I’ll be watching this on 3 monitors simultaneously.

[@grainydaysss]

How it was meant to be watched :)

[@bosz112]

Slow speed films tend to lose their sensitivity slower than film with higher ISO. That's why the rule 1EV + for every 10 years doesn't work with films slower than 25 ISO. Your 0,06 asa film was as sensitive as in the day when it was produced, and probably would be for next 100 years ;)

[@patrickrostker6693]

woah!

[@SuperEmanuel98]

Theories of why is what blown out: 1. The film is most sensitive to parts of the electromagnetic spectrum that your light meter is not tuned for sensing 2. The 10 years rule only work for negative film

[@filminrussia7095]

what's the rule for slides?

[@Humungojerry]

Hujinn - Instagram “don’t bother”

[@dsmandras]

@@coreyhodgson1238 what if its 40-ish year old Ektachrome 400?

[@dsmandras]

@@abyad000 oh sick! I found out my film has been refrigerated since new, so I might try to go for 400, or 200. I have two rolls of it, so I can definitely experiment with it a little.

[@jacopoabbruscato9271]

@@filminrussia7095 No rules for slides, if they're expired just shoot at box speed and hope for the best. They don't hold up as well as negatives do, so it all depends on storage and blind luck.

[@tallegoossens3234]

Me, a procrastinator who has a test tomorrow, has to read an whole book and has to finish a paper: Also me when grainydays uploads: *drops everything to watch*

[@thebeastios]

That is exactly me right now with a paper and book to read tonight.

[@v-g-z3689]

OH MY GOD I am in the EXACT same situation at this very moment!!!

[@0xVox]

Me exactly

[@v-g-z3689]

@pprc crzo Don´t ask...

[@tallegoossens3234]

@pprc crzo it was about what you'd expect from a test you've barely studied for, but i guess it was fine

[@briansavage932]

Fantastic! I too was a disappointment. But look at me now, watching videos on KZbin, in the middle of a workday, of some other dude failing. #movinonup

[@KelsomaticPDX]

I'm so happy when I see one of your videos pop into my feed. The shots that turned out are so otherworldly.

[@PiotrekGrzesiak]

>that sh*t ain't around anymore. gotta love that line. one of the best in the business i've ever heard. #painfullyslow team as well.

[@JonnyRobbie]

My theory is that the 1 stop per decade works for negative film, where you need to add a bit of oomph to get denser darker negative for those highlights with film that is not that potent anymore. But since this is a positive film, the rule goes out of the window. If anything, I'd guess its the other way. Look at the photos that did turn out and see if they have in common - for example that the lightmeter might go completely bonkers there. Like shots straight against a sun might make lightmeter go completely dark, which might actually help you.

[@kidthorazine]

Yeah, and reversal film in general has extremely low tolerances for being over/under exposed, so even if the calculation is only off by 1 stop it can totally ruin the shot..

[@janvalis727]

Also he exposed with a spotmeter, which shows how to expose so the object turns out middle grey (or how does it compare to middle grey), but in a sunset like that almost nothing is middle grey. The sand should sit around 2-3 stops under middle grey, while the sky would by 3 to 7 stops overexposed... So also a miscalculation during exposing might result in some troubles, combined with flaring of the cheap lens that is in spotmeters. Also the "dynamic range" of a reversal film is 5 stops, so it is not ideal for shooting straight at sunset.

[@jeroexx]

It's always a good thing to look through the viewfinder with a telephoto Lens.... Directly into the sun...

[@MadisonBPhotography]

Ive just shot some Svema Mz3 with an ISO of 3 but again the metering for that was all over the place and my lab refused to process it as its a hand-rolled film. Sometimes Portra is just fine..

[@O4KAST]

It's black and white, right? You can just develop it yourself, get a soviet developing tank and d-76 developer. I don't know about you, but back in Russia or Ukraine where this film originates, this combo will cost you like 5$.

[@NOCTURNALCURVES]

I love that film. When it works. Which is not very often. But it can be super pretty! I have a couple great shots with it on my Instagram (lumennovis) but I knew even less about film then and haven't been able to repeat those results.

[@mr.wolfwood138]

The chanel has grainy in the name but shot at .06 asa ,this mad world

[@KaiisChannel]

the waves look amazing with this super longe exposure!

[@grainydaysss]

Agreed!

[@dylangergutierrez]

From the research I've done, the "1 stop every 10 years" rule is for C41, and BW negative is generally "1 stop every 20 years". However, this is slide film, and the rule for that is to shoot at box, bracket, and hope for the best.

[@toomanyjstoomanyrs1705]

Yes, Inglewood has great beaches, and those sunsets are stunning.

[@jimzielinski946]

This video really brought back memories of the day's I shot b&w film, especially when you mentioned test strips! Oh, the uncertainty! I feel a little bit guilty I don't use my film cameras anymore, but digital , with it's histograms, Polaroid like instant playback, and instant gratification is so easy. I think the guilt comes from knowing there is still some indescribable quality you get from film and especially when printed the old fashioned way on silver based paper. I'm glad I stumbled onto your channel.

[@RyanBounedara]

I'm a simple man. I see grainydays, I thumbs up.

[@tomdivasion7724]

That ISO is as dark as my soul...almost

[@mariuskaupas]

You sound like your just carrying a Leica as a necklace

[@tomdivasion7724]

You know me too well.

[@wolfgartom]

I really dig the sunset stuff, super cool

[@Norri3l_]

Bro you are the funniest film photographer out here doing this shit and you cold with that shoota 🖼📸🥶

[@flannelcommander]

1:26 is me when someone walks in on me in the bathroom

[@rick-deckard]

Other than losing many exposures, I think the ones that came out are exactly the kind of thing to celebrate with fun and quirky, unpredictable experiments like this. I don't see why anyone should be bummed out about it. Good job.

[@radicaleyemag]

1:24 me when the new video drops

[@YourFriendWithACamera]

Really well made video Jason, you do an excellent job of explaining things.

[@AnthonySchnitzel]

I have a couple of this laying around. Their only usefulness is to test if a camera properly advance and rewind film ...

[@maksymilianreiter3111]

such a beautiful sky this evening...

[@IlBella_]

Finally that time of the week, grainydays video! Thank you man!

[@d.c.sheets2592]

The commentary is priceless! Keep up the great content.

[@kamaltung3117]

hilarious commentary and the photos that turned out looked pretty artistic

[@SamMcGhee]

So strange and so rad. It’s like pinhole but with a ton of ridiculous mysterious math. So great to virtually go on this shoot with you.

[@josephstitt137]

I’ve never shot expired B&W positive, but I have shot expired color positive (30 year old Ektachrome) and I shot it at box. The pictures came out fine. I think positive film has significantly less latitude than negative film, hence why I shoot expired positive film at box.

[@staticsequences7659]

Ahhhh now i understand that insta story now. Y'know the one where you were at the beach and you looked totally defeated, yeah that one

[@grainydaysss]

Good memory

[@FX-qe5ee]

Very interesting film. In the past I experimented with great sharp results with technical pan from Kodak, on 35 mm.

[@alexiscosar8980]

Well, turns out the video still is super cool so... nailed it ! Could you now elaborate on why you’re using a winder ... that you don’t actually use ? And those freakin Super Taks on a Canon body ! You’re such a rebel !

[@6WeeksTV]

from my knowledge positive film should not be overexposed at all even if it's been expired for 10+ years. maybe 3/4s of a stop max

[@QuestionableApe]

Guess I'm gonna watch this over and over again until the next one comes out

[@dflf]

Years ago I shot a roll of Kodalith B&W film. It had an asa of 6.

[@SpiderXweaponX]

I was told there wouldn't be any math involved.

[@insanejughead]

Theory: everybody on the internet is wrong about how to shoot and expose for expired film. Practice: every 6-8 shots, adjust your settings to be darker/lighter than the last ones so that the shots were documented and scrutinized before shooting with roll #2.

[@Asmoc23]

so what if you have only 1 roll? you shoot it all for one picture? :)

[@BuzzLiteBeer]

This channel is what the internet needs. 1 Cup Film-Photography + 1 Tbsp Self-Loathing.

[@Combine_Harvester_of_Truth]

There are video that say shoot at box speed and one that say compensate. All the box speed youtube test videos seem to come out fine?! .. When I worked at a jessops store as a student, many of the cheap films were stored on a shop shelf and we never had any issues.

[@TarekAlShawwa]

3:30 mother of dynamic range, what was this part of the video filmed with? How is the sky so blue ???

[@josemartinjuarezvargas8523]

I'd love it if you gave a review on those tak lenses

[@MetalSlugzMaster]

That's a Pentax Takumar lens on an AE body??

[@MichaStiller]

You can add custom values on that lightmeter app, not sure if there's a bottom end to that though.

[@Crokto]

thought id gotten used to your humor but the brutally slow joke got me

[@theanaloguecorner1119]

Super video! This film seems so cool! I really like the result!

[@OriAlSirr]

Love the sense of humor 👍🏼

[@alejandroromerodiaz8503]

Why you don't use an external light meter? I mean if you are shooting film is a must. If you meter carefully you would get all the exposures right. I suggest you to get a spot meter, to calculate the zone system right. God bless.

[@StephenMilner]

Hi, what a magnificent video. Keep up the amazing work! I look forward to your next video.

[@kylekrulikowski2588]

*We got a really colorful sunset that evening, which was perfect, because I was shooting black and white* 5:15 was sick

[@AnalogProcess]

Wild! I think I have some of that film too... just sitting in my fridge.

[@sasiadStudios]

The answer why that film looks underexposed could be reciprocity, which means that when you shoot at long exposure times, you require more exposure, than lightmeter tell you. That effect could be different for every specific film, but there should be some information about that in specification.

[@Dahrenhorst]

It's called Schwarzschild-effect after the German astronomer and physicist Karl Schwarzschild (1873-1916), who discovered this behavior of chemically processed film or paper. Any exposure longer than approx. 1 sec can not be calculated linear, but need progressivly larger exposions.

[@aloneinjpn]

“I am, Jackie Legs and I’d like to say HELLO!” Man I love Kangaroo Jack 😂

[@tomasz_gajda]

ISO is exponential isn't it? In this case, working with such low ISO, a small error on the light meter could yield a big exposure difference.

[@antoniogarciaphoto]

Did you considered the fact that at those exposure times, you might have some light leaking from the viefinder into the film?

[@Combine_Harvester_of_Truth]

I really like the results from that film!

[@SpontSpiceWeasel]

We need to talk about that tripod head and where to get one from :O

[@samgutterman]

Looks like an Arca Swiss C1 Cube. It can be yours for a mere $1600 :(

[@SpontSpiceWeasel]

@@samgutterman holy crap! That's insane!

[@Combine_Harvester_of_Truth]

@@samgutterman Did it come with a gold bar?

[@goff1491]

that black AE-1 body is niiiice

[@reddevil211287]

Just curious...what’s up with the motor drive for landscapes? Haha

[@Otto_Captures]

First time seeing your videos, what in the world is that camera mount? It's super cool!

[@nikolajkledzik502]

Thanks for a great episode!! Again. I think the answer is in the instruction sheet for the RPCF film: Exposure: 0.06 with the fluorescent light commonly found in x-ray view boxes. Copying Radiographs and Similar Transparencies: Exposure times for “average” radiographs are 12 to 20 seconds at f/4 with a conventional x-ray view box. It is just not meant to be used in direct sunlight which is much harsher than the light from a light box. Also, and maybe most important: 'Processed Rapid Process Copy Film contains a metallic silver image which is a more efficient absorber of infrared radiation than the dyes contained in color film emulsions.' - Sunlight contains loads of infrared light. Which might also explain why your sunset shots came out ok...less light and less radiation... Love your channel. /N

[@alwinbenjamin]

Wow, King. 🔥

[@Keoz199]

That Arca Swiss tripod head 👌

[@RadiRenggli]

I got a roll of 1979 expired M3 100 ISO film form Italy back from the lab. The result was quite interesting. Though super grainy. The first roll I got was a total fail, this was my second roll. I still got one roll left, this roll is at 80 ISO.

[@vikmanphotography7984]

For an ISO that low, you really should have a dedicated light meter. Phones can't really make use of light on the extremes. Might I recommend the sekonic L358.

[@jorgepeterbarton]

I've got some slide copy film. I think it's more like 12iso but nothing written on it about speed. Different name. It's also from the year I was born, have shot some--interesting colours. Contrast good, did night shots and even those were blue-green

[@asub3292]

I know I am a year late to this, but ... Going from 0.02 to 1.00 is increasing the light 1/0.02 = 50 times. So you need your aperture to let in 1/50th of the light it normally would. Now the hard part of aperture is that its area, so going from f/4 to f/8 is actually (4/8)^2 = 1/4th of the light. We can use this backwards to see what aperture you needed, since you started with f/2 and need 1/50th it should be (2/x)^2 = 1/50 which, solving for x gives us f/14 not f/29 as you used. By going for f/29 you added back in 210 times as much light back in, instead of 50 times.

[@ili5615]

Tip for next time shooting ultra-low ISO film: if your light meter app is the same as mine (and so it looks based on the UI) you can add custom values of aperture, shutter speed and ISO in the app

[@diwi7659]

5:27 looks cool! How did it catch wheel trace?

[@jpiekkala]

Yes, best shot! Almost as if the film was reacting on moist or some reflections.

[@HerbTheriault]

For clues as to where things went wrong, have a look at the edge code on the film (assuming there is any on this stock). If the edge code can be read, the processing was ok, and you over exposed. If it's washed out, or gone, there was a problem in development. Using a developer other than what was intended can have a negative effect as well.

[@MyNameIs_Dragon]

What is that exposure calculator app you were using? It look very useful.

[@gustavzhu803]

I’m a follower from China,pretty like ur videos and humor,that’s nice, and I d like to know where you bought ur cameras

[@lifeonfilm7227]

Monochromatic sunsets are the best! 😁

[@jakubrostkowski6420]

whats this cool tripod/head? does it have some manual tilt adjustments on the side? #wow

[@luizateea2928]

How do you find all those super strange films? I‘d love to try some cool films like aerochrome or the one in this video but I never really come across any.🥲

[@Sondercreative]

Arca Cube be looking Mhhightyyyy fineeee :)

[@MrTuero93]

What is the point of the power winder if you wind manually? And the point of the shutter release cable in a camera with self-timer??

[@Kinnup7]

What tripod did you use for this photo shoot? Great video by the way. Thank you for putting out such great content.

[@benelgar-white1174]

ugh... have you always had the arca-swiss cube or have you got an 8x10 coming in the next vid?

[@benelgar-white1174]

11x14? 7x17?

[@horshors3825]

Can you please tell whatkind of gitzo tripod do you use? Also very nice video

[@tedsmith_photography]

You still the funniest guy on KZbin man! Great delivery as ever. But yeah, that film sucks for photography. Thanks for the lessons...

[@koreybartos]

I'm trying to watch this at work and I cackled out loud when you said "This film as well as myself has been described as 'brutally slow'". Fuck, man. hahahaha

[@JC-mu7ju]

What tripod you use?

[@jarenneo1691]

jason pls bless us with answer

[@monumentalvibes849]

Looks to be the Arca-Swiss C1 Cube Geared Head

[@Leivath]

Just a $1,572.00 Tripod. And I fill my backpack with sand. Smh.

[@jarenneo1691]

@@Leivath holy. thats about the price of one kidney. i guess i can afford one

[@Leivath]

Jaren Neo Sure, you will be able to live with just one kidney but hey, one cube tripod.

[@SebastianMas]

Hi Jason. First of all nice video. Second: The 10-year/one stop rule is essentially a myth. It does not apply to every expired film equally at all. And even less to an ASA .06 film. That film was practically intact.

[@AeromaticXD]

I heard that the 10 years/1 stop rule is bunk, I dunno though

[@wolfgottlieb7737]

What tripod head are you using? It’s awesome!

[@heartshapedfilms]

One thing about the film and exposure; How do you know it has deteriorated evenly? - I very much doubt it would have. I feel this is where it breaks down as the stops you used to comp seem good - though I have never heard of the 10 year rule. Obviously there is also the development process which could of affected it. Though I think I my main point gets you to the problem and why some shots worked out.

[@eeli808]

Need a beast of a tripod for a beast of a camera! As always nice video!

[@jasper2771]

The music was so good

[@ferencbodor]

Nooo, pls don’t delete it! you always look cute

[@davidb2992]

I also guess that the 1 stop every 10 years - rule does become more relevant with higher iso films cause of activating chemicals that degenerate over time. but in this ISO-range you may have little to no of those chemicals. so it gets older way more slowly.

[@tuchenciotuch3976]

I love bad flashes and Caleb :)

[@ignacioalcantara513]

good video bro, and nice topic. i think reciprocity failure might deteriorate with expired film. i've experienced something similar with 70mm film expired in the early 80's and with verichrome form around the 40's, curious thing is that in well lit situations ( not so contrasty as well) even the 1 stop per decade rule don't seen to matter. you should try it again and pick scenes with less contrast considering the film originally is to be a positive and usually slide film does not have a huge latitude anyway. thanks for sharing

[@wayshapeform]

It seems like you switched between what looks like the 35mm f2, and a 135mm f3.5 screw mount Takumar. If your meter compensation equation was designed to give your readings for .6 ISO @f2, but when shooting with the 135mm your wide open was only 3.5, then wouldn't your images shot with the 135mm be 3 stops "underexposed" compared with those shot on the 35mm? That is, unless you were compensating your meter readings differently for each lens? Just a thought...

[@BiscuitLazers44]

the one of the gas station is fantastic

[@petersom6814]

Did you get that tripod bespoked by Hubble telescopes? Lol But really which tripod is that.

[@Bobby_sprinkles]

Some of those came out super neat though!