The Hat Chat Podcast #38 - Hungry For (Blue) Waffles?

[@deakon9332]

@deakonmusic on insta actually, thanks boiks & keep those dicpiks comin

[@sirBrouwer]

that was some nice 80's lower budget style tv series intro.

[@ToastyRoland]

Brilliant fingle sir. Cheers.

[@SolstaceWinters]

Gaaaaasp! That's the one, guys. That's the guy with the jam! (Good stuff, my man. Carrying the fingles hard!)

[@chrisy909]

Wow their discussion about thinking existentially about the complete lack of empathy in the world now was really powerful. Its something I have always wondered about my entire life and I love hearing a similar perspective, coming from a place of caring and empathy.

[@joncovert1588]

I love the Hat boiks for their silliness but its refreshing to hear them all talk about the real problems

[@leedcruz5072]

10:25 Smith having PTSD from when he was in the TA

[@moondusk8385]

Yeah.. smiles all round.....always happy to see and hear our bois with their banter and laughs.

[@moltpong]

I think snobbery starts when you associate the products with the people. For example: I think it's fine for Smith to think Asda has poor quality products, but I don't think it's fine to turn his nose up at Asda because of the people who shop there. The reason being because they may need to be there because of the lower prices. I think if you're objectively basing your opinion of a place on the quality of goods or service, that is not snobbery.

[@thesecondkate]

“Less jobs available and more qualified people to do it” is so fucking true. I’m a recent grad and it’s the worst time to find an entry level job on top of covid and I hate it so much. I know so many people in my field getting made redundant and I’ve honestly given up hope. I’m trying to find other things that I can ultimately monetise.

[@LexSchilperoord]

I did not even know the Frape Away ad was gone

[@f4tpie]

A crying shame

[@timtim5020]

Ikr such a great video

[@Khronogi]

The boys really do not need to apologize for it. It was funny then, and I think it's still funny.

[@EvileDik]

It's this kind of linguistic stupidity that will lead to more harm to good in the long run, when we've finished banning the word, will it encourage ignorance and marginalization of victims because they don't feel they can discuss it? To steal a concept from Something Awful, are we using the term 'surprise sex' now?

[@LexSchilperoord]

@@EvileDik I guess it's moreso the fact that the word should only be used in the appropriate context

[@calemaceanruig8010]

Smith's Stalinesque moustache finally making sense

[@adrihollie7582]

I’m listening to this podcast at quarter to 8 in the morning after just being accepted to my 5th waitressing job. I was actually supposed to go to do my MSc in Palaeoanthropology (study of the beginning of our species and our hominin ancestors) in September, as I was super lucky enough to take a few years out and do my degree at 20 rather than 18 and I think it changed so much about my education. I was more mature, knew I didn’t want to go back to working in a waitressing job, and wanted a real education in something I loved. Unfortunately though, at 23, I’ve had to postpone my masters for another year due to COVID which sucks. A lot of my masters would be laboratory work and hands on excavation so I’ve chosen to take a year out because I’m not getting another 9k into debt to be stuck at home with remote learning. But a lot of things I agree with here, keep it up boiks xx

[@awesomeaartvark]

So much Hat Films content today, absolutely lovin it!

[@unorthodoxbox]

When I was in my late teens I had no clue what the hell I was doing, I was just going with the motions of going to college cause that was what was expected of me. Put a long story short my dad was trying to guide me down what would be the optimal career path for me to get a good job, I'd say in my last year of college I think the pressue and just the realisation I didn't want to be here or do this as a job hit very hard. Hell five years later I still don't know really what I want to do, I'll just keep working where I am cause it pays and I get time to myself to explore what I like to do.

[@BanthaBoi]

I'm with Smith on the Asda thing. I try to go out of my way to shop at local places or drink at not wetherspoons because the owner is a complete prick but people perceive that as snobbery

[@noodlecat_]

Gonna be honest this Podcast was really comforting ,as someone who graduated like last year .. and basically lost all their friends during all this and suddenly thrust into this seemingly empty like void infront of me ..its um conforting to see you guys kinda stumble forward but get there anyway ,the 'just try to not look down ' was really nice . Plus seeing how responsible you guys kinda are makes me feel that maybe I haven't wasted my time and effort , guess what I'm trying to say is I guess . When the voids infront of you ,just try not to look down and take a step forward anyway..and then another ..and then another and maybe you'll get where your going anyway ^____^.

[@MrKeeganimal]

What was the book Ross mentioned?

[@rotobracca]

The frape-away video was the first video I saw from you guys in 2010-2011 ish, hooked to your bullshit since then!

[@TokkiYamaguchi]

Just wanna say I loved frape away and watched it at least 10 times. I remember when it was just 2 years old 😂

[@user-co2ps4yo7k]

alex smith is becoming BASED

[@dylancooper5118]

Hell yeah dude

[@MuffledPrawn]

Watching this in 2024 and feeling like we had it good a few years ago 😂

[@Wolfencreek]

If The Triforce can get a sponsorship surely you Boiks can.

[@jamesrichards9567]

I love these hat chats so much!

[@sabermachine3296]

I love hearing them talking about places in Britain, like Tesco’s, I’m Australian😂

[@BanthaBoi]

54:30 Peak Hornby , great

[@wofl447]

Universal Basic Income is a fantastic concept. Imagine being able to live without having to work? You would work because you want to, not because you have to. Employers wouldn’t be able to treat you like shit, they’d have to compete with each other to give their workers the best ‘extras’ to ensure they continue working for them, whether it be more holidays, better sick pay, dental care, whatever. And sure some people would take advantage and never work, but people take advantage of every system, most people would still work. I’d rather live in that world than this one.

[@iamjames8200]

Name me an example that works.

[@wofl447]

Well it’s never been properly implemented into any country. Alaska has the closest attempt where they give a single bulk payment to every resident in October. This is paid for by their oil profits. Spain is currently looking at implementing a minimum income system. Also there was a test performed in Manitoba called ‘Mincome’ that was seen with a lot of people finding it beneficial, while some rural people (farmers, etc.) struggled to find workers. I would argue that if they’re struggling to find workers, they’re not offering enough of a benefit for working there but I don’t know as I wasn’t there haha. I would also like to ask, name me a single example of capitalism that works? Any country that has poverty is failing so.

[@iamjames8200]

Wofl name me an example of a non capitalist country that works. Capitalism is not perfect no system will ever be perfect but so far this is the system that works the best. And it completely depends on how you define ‘works’.

[@wofl447]

James Bentley works in the best way how? It works the best for the people in charge, it’s why we never change. Somewhere in the middle would be the best system, where you have the possibility for people to work very hard, make a great business and make plenty of money; but you also have enough support for the bottom of the spectrum so we have no homeless people and no people struggling to just survive working a minimum wage job. I’ve already listed some examples of other systems in other countries.

[@iamjames8200]

Wofl it’s never going to be that way though is it. There will be homeless under any system and there will always be people struggling, the fact that we’re able to have this conversation right now is due to capitalism.

[@timtim5020]

glad i saw the frape video before it got nuked quality content right there.

[@TheVofR]

So, I easily found the frape video they were talking about on their channel. Just searched "hat films frape" in youtube. Not unlisted or private or anything, comments just turned off.

[@ModrunOfficial]

im sure you meant this podcast happens every other week? apparently biweekly means twice a week

[@Havok16]

Aka fortnightly

[@Nathaniel_McVie]

It can mean both... because language Bi-weekly is just two weekly, can mean twice a week or every two weeks

[@twplustwoisthree]

@@Nathaniel_McVie semiweekly is the word you are looking for, biweekly means every fortnight

[@Nathaniel_McVie]

@@twplustwoisthree People use biweekly for both though, and because language is the way it is, it's meaning has turned to mean both.

[@twplustwoisthree]

@@Nathaniel_McVie I did some research, and only in "American English" does it mean both. I'll leave it at that.

[@AhkoRC]

Alex: We intentionally pay ourselves less to avoid paying a higher tax. Also Alex: If these rich people have a billion dollars, then 90% of it should just go back to the people.

[@theAngusmaster101]

I know you may not believe this but I don't think the Hat boiks earn billions of dollars

[@AhkoRC]

@@theAngusmaster101 Yes, but they understand that if they work around how much they can make, they can be better off in the long run. Then similarly, the billionaires would do a similar work around this "90% of your money is gone when you die" thing, if was real.

[@cosymonkey4572]

@@AhkoRC How does that boot taste?

[@AhkoRC]

@@cosymonkey4572 Who's to say? Have fun with your world view because I wouldn't want to get in the way of it.

[@Phil_AKA_ThundyUK]

Comrade Smithy.

[@TheDoowllams]

Loved it boiks

[@cosymonkey4572]

Comrade Smith. Go on Chapo Trap House

[@scottyp573]

“In your late 20s it’s just like RETURN TO ONE TAP ONLINE SECURITY “

[@Texicus_Reddicus]

my friend got all a* in his gcses this year

[@samjones3167]

Wait Smith said the year Starbucks paid 4 grand tax hat films paid 20 times that so 80 grand and he said they pay about 20-30% tax. Jesus that cant be right can it?

[@always_molasses7419]

I believe they do work outside of their personally owned youtube and twitch channels

[@theformalmooshroom9147]

50:32 and you disappeared never to be seen again if you said the wrong thing, among a number of other "reasons".

[@cinemartin]

average human reaction to visual stimuli is about 0.1 seconds. presumably its far lower for the electrical impulse to travel down the synapses from the brain.

[@neonscucca8987]

I just think it's snobbery to look down on people because they shop at supermarkets like asda and fast fashion retailers like primark etc. It's clearly really good to avoid cheaper shops for moral reasons but you just have to recognise that shopping ethically is largely a privilege. Not that there aren't people who could afford better and just don't care because they want to save money so they can have more things, you just never know.

[@matthewrichard9626]

I've never thought that money equates to the right way to do something. I think that says more about smith and less about capitalism.

[@samuelehret-pickett7983]

That's what capitalist society tells us to believe though

[@iamjames8200]

Samuel Ehret-Pickett non capitalist country’s are doing really well...oh wait.

[@fintandavies1977]

wait, frape is gone? aaaw, that video was great

[@Enziro9155]

Okay, the dick talk actually calmed me down a bit, cuz i thought maby there was something wrong with mine, cuz it is much darker. and i scrub!

[@gugg1105]

:)

[@aristoearth5657]

:)

[@marcycutting7030]

:)

[@tosh1751]

:)

[@Smedenx]

:)

[@unknownmemoirs]

(:

[@hermatic1]

Sent you a dm on twitter ross, (ref frape yt vid) hopefully the info was of some use. Regards.

[@lin90210]

If you dont have capitalism and rich versus poor you would go down the Marxist route. That doesn't work because it creates laziness...I could work hard and you could be not productive but we all get paid the same amount. Then to make everyone equal you have to remove prejudice, religion, belief, history and your background. It's not as easy as that :(

[@cosymonkey4572]

That's not how it works my friend.

[@justbailey9625]

you guys are paying 20-30% tax yet paying £80,000 in tax? do you guys pay coorperation tax or income tax?

[@YipeeKiYayJB]

Also I think Smith misunderstands tax bands. He said they didn't want to pay each other more as they would fall into a higher tax band. But you only pay that higher tax amount on earnings over the band. Your earning under it are still payed at the lower tax level. For example if you earn £60,000 you get the £12,500 personal allowance tax free, £37,500 at 20% band and then £10,000 at 40%. They are very few situations were you earn less by going up a tax band.

[@justbailey9625]

@@YipeeKiYayJB I'm familiar with regressive taxation, and in some scenarios, for example, a minimal increase in income that pushes you over the tax bands will result in an overall net loss in post-tax income. I'm very sure Alex is educated on taxation as a UK tax paying citizen, I am simply misunderstanding his comments about falling between 20-30% tax and paying £80,000.

[@justbailey9625]

And in addition, I don't know the fiscal agreement Hat Films have with the Yogscast ltd, and I'm curious as to whether Hat Films pay their own corporation tax, or pay it into the Yogscast group.

[@sirBrouwer]

most likely both. the HAT films incorporation. Will have to pay corporation tax. the guys them self will have to pay income tax in there actual income. the exact rules with it i don't know and what kind of legal identity the company HAT films is on paper.

[@justbailey9625]

@@sirBrouwer Yeah, its likely what Alex was referencing by "paying more tax" if they paid eachother more was their personal income taxes, instead of the corporation tax (if they do pay corporation tax as Hat Films)

[@razzledazzled4009]

The thing about the keto diet is that it may work as a short-term method for weight loss but it's not healthy to do long-term and actually can be very harmful. Also it doesn't really work switching back and forth from it to keep off weight, you need consistency in your diet. I think the best way to lose weight and keep it off is to make healthy everyday habits in your life, particularly when it comes to exercise and eating. You can still eat whatever you want, just in moderation. Its okay to indulge every once in a while but not all the time. Also watching portion sizes is probably one of the biggest things, a little can go a long way. For me personally, being diagnosed with type 1 diabetes has helped change my perspective on how I eat and how much I eat. Don't get me wrong it sucks but it forces me to watch how much I eat and keeps from overindulging

[@189pac]

My friend is in $90,000 in debt after loans in the US. Don’t go to school in America it is a WASTE of money

[@Daedrex]

My favourite communist podcast.

[@matthewrichard9626]

I can afford waitrose and still choose Aldi, giving people more money dosent necessary mean people spend it on food... what a weird veiw of the world.

[@TheHomerHickam]

You guys should do some research on the economy and inflation. Your ideas, while nice and empathetic on paper, are so childish and single minded. They aren't applicable to real life.

[@MaccyLing]

So f**cking annoying. I keep forgetting to watch the podcasts , I pay every month n all cause I really like the content but KZbin does you man dirty, I never get a recommended video from you even when I’ve been watching your videos a lot !

[@dxmajrd]

Refugees were safe as soon as they got to Europe, and economic migrants have always been safe... so why do they aim for the UK so often, geographically the furthest away?!

[@iamjames8200]

Because of our benefits system and the weird obsession we have with refugees, migrants and immigrants.

[@cosymonkey4572]

@@iamjames8200 @ d900x maj3rd Nope. Pretty much everyone knows some level of English. Being able to speak the language of the country you are migrating too makes life a lot easier. Equally, there are already communities of migrants in the UK, and some will have friends/relatives here. Additionally, the UK is seen as a relatively safe country. Put yourselves in the shoes of a refugee fleeing YOUR home because of war. Likely you would try and head for somewhere that has one, or all, of these things. Obviously this is still a simplified explanation, but hey its a starting point.

[@iamjames8200]

@@cosymonkey4572 I agree. But you can't deny we have a enticing benefits system.

[@cosymonkey4572]

@@iamjames8200 In comparison to what they have currently? Yes it is good, and im proud that this is a country that is willing to support those that need it. Though, when you actually look at what they get, it's not so great. Supporting and feeding a family on £70-80 p/w is basically impossible

[@iamjames8200]

@@cosymonkey4572 £70 per week isn't all they get though

[@sketchy5682]

Can't believe they took down the frape video. The fear of snowflakes is ridiculous these days...

[@iamjames8200]

i know. it's mad. Snowflakes are the least scary group of people and everyone is scard of them.

[@joshuataggart8406]

I love you boys but this was a really painful podcast. I understand a lot of your points but you made a lot of generalisations without evidence and replicated lots of talking points which you implicitly assume are correct - a major example throughout the podcast being everything regarding Bezos. It was sad to hear you make quite opinionated points and misrepresentations of other views, and then immediately say that we should be less dogmatic and more open about these conversations. I'd really recommend reading more about public v private companies, capital markets, Gini coefficients and wealth inequality rather than saying "everything is capitalism's fault, I don't understand why these evil people won't just agree with me". I agree that right-wingers can be closed-minded but left-wingers can be closed-minded too, and you boys are contributing to the problem when you make these kinds of sweeping and moralistic arguments. Just my two cents, still going to enjoy your content and support you.

[@cosymonkey4572]

Most of the problems in the World can be attributed to Capitalism though? So... ?

[@joshuataggart8406]

@@cosymonkey4572 Could you be more specific?

[@iamjames8200]

@@joshuataggart8406 no he can't. He just argues with people. check around the comments.

[@cosymonkey4572]

@@joshuataggart8406 Sure thing, ContraPoints has a nice summary video. Worth a watch, though it is tongue in cheek at times so just be patient with it :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXu6ZWCZhL-nbqM&ab_channel=ContraPoints

[@Alien_Ostrich]

Without capitalism you remove the incentive for innovation.

[@Alien_Ostrich]

@alchemy do you think people would make companys to create new technology without the future prospects of profit? If they can't make money there is no reason for them to create new stuff/innovate.

[@OfficialMorda]

@@Alien_Ostrich the removal of capitalism doesn't mean there would be no incentive at all, it just means the incentive would change from what it is now. Society improved through necessity in the past, it improves for personal gain now, its not unreasonable to imagine it'll one day improve for a different reason

[@joelsheppard8256]

The Scottish One the incentive of war would drive innovation

[@Alien_Ostrich]

@Koku I never said that. But the way things are now you would get way less new gadgets that are better then their predecessors without the chance for profit. Who is gonna make the new PC components that are actually better if they can't profit from it for example?

[@OfficialMorda]

@@Alien_Ostrich just because you don't know what the incentive would be, doesnt mean there wouldn't be one. Also, humans do things without incentive all the time, and always have done. We're naturally extremely curious. It's why we climb things we have no reason to, or dive to the bottom of the ocean, or point our telescopes to points nobody else ever has.

[@1111sparda]

I'm sorry how are they not safe in France hmm explain to me that ?

[@matthewrichard9626]

Moan about capitalism in one breath and saying you pay yourself less to avoid tax in the next. 🙄

[@matthewrichard9626]

Billionaires dont take money from people, people give it to them because they provide goods/services that they value. Being a billionaire means you *have* already contributed a massive amount to society.

[@oliverread7635]

Give ya head a wobble you spoon

[@matthewrichard9626]

@@oliverread7635 lol how is that not true?

[@dylancooper5118]

@@matthewrichard9626 They avoid billions in taxes every year and exploit people in the 3rd world.

[@matthewrichard9626]

@@dylancooper5118 people arent forced to work for them, they choose to because it's better than the alternative. Its not exploitation if they want that job. 🙄 they reinvest their revenue into their businesses, which creates more jobs, more goods, more services at a higher quality and lower price. You cant tax profits if there are none to tax.

[@dylancooper5118]

@@matthewrichard9626 You do realize these corporations aren't working under a capitalist system right? They use loopholes to avoid tax and hide billions away in tax havens while taking subsidies from governments you are defending corporate socialism. And there is no need to be so blatantly condescending. Also it is without a doubt exploitation companies like Nestlé buy reservoirs in Africa and force the locals to pay for the drinking water they lived off of for generations and big companies like Nike and Amazon profit from literal child labor. Many sweatshops have netting around their buildings to stop workers from dying when they attempt to commit suicide. Why defend such a reprehensible system? Are you that much of a partisan? That's like saying the men, woman and children in the industrial age in Britain weren't exploited because they chose to work in factories for less than they could survive with. These people have no other choice when the only employers around them are sweatshops. Have some empathy and while you are at it try some common fucking decency.