Hate watching didn't cause Velma to get a season 2

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Velma has been greenlit for season 2 despite all the backlash and multiple other projects being cancelled likely for tax write offs. It's very disappointing. HBO Max is trying to pretend that the show was successful but that claim doesn't hold up to scrutiny and many are claiming this was the result of hate watching. I respectfully disagree.
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[@43Second]

Seeing Velma get a second season isn't too surprising, but hate watching isn't the reason. A lot of times if a company is so confident in their material it'll get greenlit for a second season ahead of release.

[@jturner2577]

How WB was confident in this baffles me.

[@jordan_roadhouse4798]

@@jturner2577 It will be with how many checklists it ticks.

[@TF2Fan101]

That explains Pickle and Peanut getting a second season…

[@TheGameianDark]

@@jturner2577 They relied too much on calling people ists and isms but they forgot that it can happen to their creators too..

[@srichael2713]

@@jturner2577 Echo chambers aren't limited to audio. People with same mindset will think "our new show is good" without asking input from others.

[@y_s4021]

Great idea: when someone says "any publicity is good publicity", just respond: "Morbius".

[@EvilerOMEGA]

Then say its Morbin' time and Morb all over them.

[@draketheduelist]

​@@EvilerOMEGA The meme will never die, as it has no end. It's like a... Morbius strip.

[@ulaznar]

@@draketheduelist I mean, what other movie generated 1 Morbillion Morbucks?

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

@@draketheduelist You win the internet, good sir

[@thecorrurtion215]

Morbius morbed so much that it morbed the morbius so hard that time morbed all over it, since its morbing is incomprehensible because of morbation

[@michaelfireheart8300]

This isn't surprising as companies like Warner Brothers often have a second season already planned, but choose to not reveal them until after the first season is released. They either cancel the next season or release it to gather steam as well as controversy.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

It's not just Warner; A MAJORITY OF COMPANIES. It's a standard at this point.

[@michaelfireheart8300]

@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid Hence my choice of words, "companies like Warner Brothers", since I am aware of how common this mentality has become.

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

At this point, it shows confidence on behalf of Warner Brothers. It’s based somewhat on the general principle that not showing fear is intimidating to your enemies. However, if there is actually some kind of financial shortcoming, you can’t avoid that reality forever.

[@mr.thammisses6119]

@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid lol I like how you used caps to be like you forgot this. But he didn't and now you look dumb.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

@@mr.thammisses6119 And you look dumb thinking that's a clever observation 🤷‍♀️

[@peppyrobo7049]

I think the funniest thing is it took the writers a whole season to tell what all scooby doo shows can do in one episode.

[@MKDumas1981]

Most Scooby-Doo content doesn't focus so heavily on relationship drama, or beating people down - both the characters and the audience.

[@nanofate8662]

In all fairness, it is an origin story.

[@TheGameianDark]

@NanoFate It's done in far better fashion by fans than this..

[@TheReZisTLust]

​@@nanofate8662 Wasn't Pup Named as well?

[@nanofate8662]

@@TheReZisTLust Yea, but this one was going for a "they met as teens" types of origin. Tho funny as hell you brought up Pup Named Scooby cause they did it as well.

[@EquesTron]

I wouldn't have minded an adult oriented Scooby Doo animated series. The way they went about it though was amazingly disrespectful. I'm surprised WB's only demand was to take Scooby out of it. My demand would have been to not maliciously make fun of the source material and the audience. Not surprised that this has a season two. Like you said, these were likely ordered way before production was underway. It's like Netflix She-Ra. Despite criticism, it was always going to continue, because Netflix did a full series order before Season 1 premiered.

[@jturner2577]

An Adult Oriented Scooby-Doo series that took inspiration from Mystery Incorporated and the 1st 4 DTV movies could actually be legitimately good.

[@Bladez10]

@@jturner2577 Feel like the easiest way to make a more mature Scooby-Doo series would be to having them solving murders. It would be like one of those crime dramas, but with the usual hijinks from a typical Scooby-Doo episode. Love what you came up with, since Mystery Inc and those movies did have a more darker/serious vide to them.

[@liamnehren1054]

at least the she-ra series has an interesting magic system from what I've heard and isn't a slap in the face for... did she-ra have enough fans to warrant a reboot? back when people actually knew the old series I mean.

[@ShinySylviee]

She-ra was actually good though. This...this is a dumpster fire.

[@knightstudio9985]

If wanted watch adult Scooby doo. I watch Tyson mysteries 10 times better than Velma.

[@marshbowicorn]

The idea hate watching is THAT powerful has always been kinda a ridiculous concept to me- like yes a lot of people hate watch teen dramas, but these shows also usually have teens watching unironically. Yes a lot of political shows have people bashing on it, but usually there’s people on the other side of the political spectrum who love it. To have something so universally hated get a million views is a ridiculous idea to me- hate watching has never been THAT big that it could make up an entire audience, even when it is a “main demographic” they have other demographics seeing it. Velma has no side demographic- it’s hate watchers and the rare breed that like Mindy Kaling’s humor. I very much doubt hate watching could save a show that much.

[@KiallVunMyeret]

Atleast hearing people take it apart and making fun of it is pretty entertaining so that's a silver lining

[@GAMMAGOMA]

Oddly enough, Fred ends up being the more likable character by the end of the season. Hell, him having a kind of hostile initial relationship with Norvell could make for an interesting dynamic considering the fact that they are the only good characters moving into season two. Granted, that isn't saying much, but it's something 🤷‍♂️

[@RogelioALoya]

How do you make a pro feminist show and have the most likable characters be a humongous simp and a racist womanizer

[@nanofate8662]

I like how Fred got developed and became a more well-adjusted person while Velma didn't learn a single thing going by the last thing she does in the series

[@thecorrurtion215]

Fred and Norville are getting an anti-redemption arc

[@crazygur1y]

It's kind of hilarious and kind of sad that the show that tries to be very diverse ends up making the privileged white guy that they hate so much the only likeable character

[@thecorrurtion215]

@@crazygur1y they make the gang so diverse that they hate each other

[@aethertoast4320]

The true horror of this whole thing is that Mindy Kaling is still being given projects to work on despite everything she makes always being hated. She is the personification of the phrase "Failing Upwards" and she will continue to do so.

[@LordDawnWreaver]

She is a mindless sheep that pushes their agenda without question... I am not surprised.

[@riptors9777]

Thats how far pulling the victim card can get you nowadays...

[@brendanboomhour7606]

If there's no competition, I guess it's easy to be the best (and the worst)

[@chunkykong8683]

High Guardian Spice & Santa Inc: Teases for a Season 2 after damages are already done HBOMax Velma: Sorry ladies, but I'll take those cause I'm rhe only one who approved then the rest of you

[@randomness5986]

A perfect example of how *not* to handle intellectual properties. Seriously, how did any of this crap get passed the board? Was HBO Max that desperate after purging almost all of its animated shows that they just said to heck with it? I can't even... 😿

[@aethertoast4320]

Apparently from the show creators themselves they just chose Scooby-Doo out of a catalog of properties and were given literally no oversight at all to what they were doing. That is how this abomination happened.

[@jturner2577]

​@@aethertoast4320 It's sad how the crews that deserve no oversight have oversight, while the crew that deserves oversight receives none.

[@yeeyeeyeeye]

Season "renewals" like Velma's is pretty common for a lot of streaming exclusive shows. This is the same practice that Netflix used for Inside Job and The Cuphead Show! (two shows that are vastly superior to Velma, btw); order season one, arbitrarily cut it up, and market them as "seasons" to avoid paying animators living wages. By this point, I think the best approach is to pretend that Velma never released and stop giving it attention altogether, even when "season 2" comes out, and it becomes trendy to discuss it again. Warner Bros Discovery only cares about what shows and properties will give them the most profits in the short term. They're not gonna care about why a popular show is hated universially, just that a lot of people are talking about it, and that must mean that they want more like it.

[@jturner2577]

Which is a mindset that blew up in Sony's face.

[@genebaker511]

TV shows are like restaurants, people go there and expect what they get serve. Velma is like when people wanted steak but instead they get a road-killed skunk.

[@moritamikamikara3879]

Road-killed skunk drowned in beer

[@sonicboy678]

Without the courtesy of also providing beer? **shot**

[@dragonhitman1071]

Bruh I fell in love with the hex girls as a kid. That song rocked. Them losing to velma made me run outside and scream WHYYYYY? LOL

[@animezilla4486]

That's what makes me really mad a lot of other animated projects including other Scooby-Doo content where near completion and all of a sudden they got cancelled but for some reason Velma to survive I blame the higher-ups especially the CEO David Zaslav. On a side note there are still some animated projects that did survive one of them is the upcoming Superman cartoon

[@storyman385]

Who cares? I wanted Batman Caped Crusader

[@WildZephyr]

I'm not sure we can blame Zaslav... Mindy Kaling might have had one hell of a contract. It is awful though.

[@justinguyos5476]

@@WildZephyr I am sure the people behind Scoob and Batgirl had contracts too. But Warner Bros still had those canned anyways.

[@Slitheringpeanut]

You don't understand Hollywood contracts, they're ironclad. Odds are this would have damaged WBD worse than just releasing it. Also, this was planned before Zaslav got WB. He may also have released to show the board why he's the man to fix HBO Max.

[@justinguyos5476]

@@Slitheringpeanut then he is failing miserably. Because if anything, HBO Max is worse off than before he arrived.

[@fatemakhan3843]

Mindy grew up with rich parents, never worked a day job & was handed a Hollywood job through her parents contracts & influences. So when she wrote Fred as a spoiled rich kid with no soul. Yeah i can definitely see she's really writing herself. This is what we in the business call "The Projection" & a classic Freudian Slip.

[@dancampbell8749]

I honestly don't care if a giant company wastes millions of dollars on garbage shows like this. I have enjoyed all of the reactionary content and hope to get a lot of analytical viewpoints when season 2 comes out.

[@jturner2577]

1 Batch of episodes split into 2. A common tactic in Animation.

[@joshmay7921]

There are quite a few problems with marketing through hate-watching. Ragebaiting your audiences might be an effective promotional tactic to drawing in curious viewers attracted by all the media backlash, but people generally tend to get tired of hate watching after a certain period of time and move on to works they actually enjoy. Not only that, shows need to hook in a consistent audience, not one off views, in order to survive in the long run. Productions for films and tv shows also usually takes years to complete. Personally, if I really didn't enjoy the franchise, I probably wouldn't have the patience to wait that long for their future content.

[@numnuts241]

The cartoon community has always had a problem with support what's bad and ignoring what's great.

[@mp3_yt]

the fact that you sat through all this garbage, youve earned my respect. i salute you 🫡

[@churchofthelambofsat]

It's weird how few KZbinrs seem to know this.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

It's annoying too, especially when they drum up hysteria from other people who also don't know.

[@changvasejarik62]

“This is not the boondocks, Mindy you are not Aaron McGruder. Get this out of my HBO “for you”! “ -Zettabeam62 February 2023

[@WhiteRaven696]

The show had a second season greenlit before the premiere.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Yup.

[@jackthenarrator4735]

Comparing Morbius to Velma is like comparing a day-old donut to a fresh piece of dogpoop. At least Morbius was watchable from beginning to end. I had to stop Velma 5 minutes into its first episode.

[@gojira387]

Venkman: "Did you watch anything?" Egon: "No." Venkman: "You?" Winston: "My history is totally blank." Venkman: "I didn't watch a single episode!" All of them turn to Ray. Ray: "I couldn't help it... it just popped on my feed...."

[@jahjoeka]

I just looked at the google trends for velma and it didn't move at all.

[@Alatoic01]

I agree completely with your view. Season 2 was already made, I am sure they will make less noise when they release it, like with the Kevin Smith He-man and pray we forget it.

[@Rocket1377]

This is just like when She-Ra Princesses of Power got a second season. That was greenlit before anyone even saw the first season. It cannot be used as a measure of the shows success or popularity.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

She ra had a set of 52 episodes ordered. The show wasn't popular enough to get more episodes or a movie as much as the stans wanted

[@michaelfireheart8300]

@@Saltedroastedcaramel Well that and what would the movie even be about? They poorly wrapped up all of their plotlines, so it would've most likely been a one off movie about relationship drama, considering the show's obsession with it.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

@@michaelfireheart8300 There's rescuing Angela, but it's obvious she was dead even if the show acted like she was trapped between dimensions.

[@Damianweibler]

Except shera was great, doesnt even remotely apply

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

@@Damianweibler No it wasn't. It was another therapy session with domestic abuse glorified because she was a cat girl

[@devinsauls9137]

HBO is making excuses to not greenlit good shows

[@jturner2577]

They haven't greenlit Galactic Kids Next Door, Billy and Mandy: Destroy us All, or a 6th season of Teen Titans, hell not even Young Justice Season 5

[@laszlokaszas1003]

Never forget Infinity train

[@shark_attack200]

I think it’s also kinda goofy to say that Velma was the most viewed animated show on HBO when it’s one of the ONLY ANIMATED SHOWS ON THE SERVICE.

[@eternallyconfusedneveraware]

People forget that there's been many tv shows that get greenlit for a season 2 even before airing. It's good to hear someone point this out, it's a little obnoxious hearing people blame hate-watchers for it and genuinely getting mad at them as if hate-watching is the sole reason bad shows get greenlit for more seasons.

[@albatross4920]

0:48 5:10 is it possible that whiping the other animated shows was to boost Velma's numbers to say it was #1 ? Like, "oh there's not much animated stuff to watch so you have no choice but to click on Velma"?

[@jturner2577]

Plausible considering how scummy WB's business practices are.

[@Doc-Glock]

This would be an extremely shortsighted, ass-backwards thing for HBO Max to do...but not something I could fully put past their producers to even consider.

[@I.____.....__...__]

No, it definitely wasn't because of that, it was always going to be renewed. They know full-well that the view counts were only temporary, they weren't from it being "popular", and hate-watching never lasts; you can see that in the drop-off in ratings after the first couple of episodes when people got their morbid-curiosity-fix and moved on, therefore it makes no sense to base its future on that temporary spike. That they victim-blame viewers is pretty sick though. 😒

[@CmdrBrannick]

Whether it was hate watching or not, I do think if you're going hate watch something, then sail the seas. If you then enjoy it, watch it again on the service to show your support.

[@Bladez10]

There was mention of a second season after the first two episode aired. At the time I figured it was them gaging the audience. Though do like the idea that they already ordered it along with the first season and for all we know it's like 90-95% done. Then again, we know WB isn't above canceling projects nearly done, and will wait until actual trailers drop before continuing (as I am now) to ignore Velma outside of the memes.

[@nickfoxx7615]

This had to be intentionally bad there has been a lot of other adult versions of Scooby. Harvey Birdman, Supernatural, Mystery Inc, and Scooby apocalypse comic. All of those could have been used as an example. Maybe it's a nostalgia play where they present a new product that people hate, then when they bring back the original people feel like they listened to them.

[@jturner2577]

It better be.

[@gameragodzilla]

I’m not watching the show at all, hence why I look forward to watching your videos trashing it. That’s the entertainment value for me.

[@fionnaitsradag5152]

They probably split already made episodes into season 1 & 2. That way they can claim it was popular enough to get a 2nd season.

[@highspeedtacos1224]

I think that people often look over when they try to say that hate watching is what gave the show a second season don't realize that the way Streaming and Broadcast television Determine a show success are vastly different. Unlike broadcast television a streaming show doesn't measure its success by the ratings. It does so by the amount of new subscribers they get fornpeople to watch the show since that is a new income for them. If a show gets no one watching it then it's not really a huge loss since they still have people subscribed to them and pretty much already paid for the show already so it's not really a net loss. This is how Kevin Smiths He-man show was able to get away with what it did with Kevin not taking any responsibility at all for his awful writing and receiving a part 2 to conclude the series instead of being cancelled

[@bettyteadead1396]

Exactly. They annouced the second season right on top of the premiere of the first episode. That's way too soo for any show to tell if it's actually popular or not. It was planned from the start. The second season will happen regardless - all we can do is make it seem like a waste of time/money and reputation.

[@Kamn_exe]

Why is everyone surprised? They announced season 2 in the middle of the first season.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Because people don't know how animation works.

[@brianrhiel5292]

I miss M, I hope one day for you two to work together again

[@Outcastgrunt098]

What happened

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

@@Outcastgrunt098 She's taking a sabbatical from YT right now.

[@fionnaitsradag5152]

@confusingzark M had some health issues and decided to take a break from YT.

[@Demolitiondude]

I recently heard about the axed hex girl movie. What the hell wb!

[@jturner2577]

Technically they could undo the write-off and put the movie back into production, which would be the smart move. But WB doesn't do many of those.

[@BillyWiccanHex]

3:40, right? Like, shows like she hulk at least have some fans, but as for Velma, it has NONE lmao

[@whoisyouranime]

Maybe people should call the Velma show VINO (Velma in name only) since they hate it so much, just like the 1998 Godzilla movie when they called it GINO. I call the show "Vermin" as in "Vermin Dorkley", a joke made from the show itself. It seems appropriate for it.

[@mattdamutt5681]

Even if hate-watching didn't cause the incoming continued production of Velma, I do feel that giving it less views, less conversation, and less acknowledgment could have increased the chances of killing it. The biggest killer of released media, be it a movie, show, or entire franchise, is irrelevance (or at least too little to be profitable). After all, a lot of planned sequels for movies get cancelled due to lackluster box offices or flops. Happened to Terminator three times.

[@slicerneons3300]

This is a contract thing I presume. They would ve wise to just rip it up and cancel it. Whatever money it would cost them is not worth the goodwill HBO/WB will destroy with a second run of this offense against humanity.

[@matane2465]

Jenny Lorenzo did a pretty funny Latino version of Scoody-Doo. That's the way to do it if you want to change the characters.

[@TheNeoVariable]

I don't think Velma wouldn't have been as bad if it was actually aware of itself. Ironically this is something shows like Family Guy and Simpsons do well. If I have to critique it, Velma needs better writers, better or more consistent production, A LOT MORE THOUGHT PUT INTO IT, and a focused audience.

[@srichael2713]

They were using a pre-existing IP instead of an original setting. The changes done on the characters are so bad that they don't resemble the original. Family Guy and Simpsons are originals so the showrunners could put their own ideas without upsetting a pre-existing fanbase. It helps that both shows are actually in their earlier seasons.

[@TheRagnarokknight]

A pup named Scooby Doo is the better prequel. By far. And it didn't even try.

[@jturner2577]

And has far superior versions of Mystery Inc.

[@AL-ws5yi]

The show is terrible and the fact that it got a second season but other Scooby Doo shows got cancelled is a travesty. However, you’re right that it probably didn’t get a second season by hate watching.

[@TheGameianDark]

From what I understand usually the second season is planned along with the first and is probably in production when season one is aired.. Just take the example of Netflix's Masters of Universe.. when the first half came out (which is basically S1), people "hate-watched" it and criticized it heavily online but let me ask how many people actually went back and watched the second half.. Hence, corporates would like to lie so that common people think it's true snd watch their show but in reality common folks dont care.. Disney has done that many many times and look where their financial stability is..

[@wilianrodrigues5280]

Honestly Thank god Warner Brothers didn’t allow them to use Scooby Doo, odds are they would’ve made a Dog Attack Joke and threaten to have him euthanized for it

[@scasimir1000]

To be honest, I thought the actress that plays Velma use the race card as well as hinted of maybe something inappropriate to evolve a char. She didn't get a second season. Keeping my her popularity is not as it used to be ever since the show that she was on. I believe the office was done. She slide down to almost C or D rank celebrity

[@NoOneGetzOutAlive]

U hvn a stroke?

[@RainIncorporated]

THANK. YOU. Im so glad someone is talking about this

[@spaceyBISH]

I’m just glad people are calling this show out along with HBO. The fact this got made while Close Enough got canceled irritated my soul.

[@jeremiahwalker3795]

When I become an animater I want to be independent so no one could tell me what to do. I can make what I want and I’ll decide if I want to cancel it or not. My animation projects might not be tv shows but at least I can treat animation with respect and not cancel my shows with just one or t we I seasons

[@olandir]

I think it's extremely disheartening if WB doesn't care about it's IPs. Why did these companies fight so hard to change copywrite laws so they could hold onto this stuff forever if they're not even going to care about it? Like, I get it, make money, sure, but at least hire people who care about the properties they're using. Is that really too hard to ask for?

[@ndndnfnfnfjfjnf3766]

Bruh they're shows so much better than Velma like Young justice who's still hasn't been renewed...

[@KelShu]

Close Enough, Final Space, Infinity Train

[@doofus15768]

Sadden to hear the Hex girls could been some thing I hope it be well thought out series of them going on tour and hear some good tracks but rip that idea for "Velma"

[@one-upfilmz6649]

Tbh, might of thought this that hate watching didn't caused this. I don't like pointing fingers, but I do blame the CEO of Warner Bros David Zaslav. He is the one that allowed this show and canceled a bunch of good promising projects for this and he was the one that announced season 2. This goes to show that not everyone is ready to run a company for entertainment.

[@UncensoredScion]

I've been very steadfast in the argument that actively talking about a subject is what gets these things continued, without chatter on the internet, they can't use things like 'parrot analytics' to argue it's a success, but I also understand why people need to talk about it, I have and others have and I agree it needs to be discussed as it's both disgusting and just SO bad on every front. I'd argue a leaflet campaign sent to HBO's CEO would be the best result, you've got nearly 33 thousand people here, others like Disparu have a 100k, others like ItsaGundam have nearly a million. Together that'll likely reach to about a million people, if people were willing to spend about 100 dollars worth of their own money to have it printed, sent and delivered all with the same line 'we hate Velma, stop making bad things' that might succeed but most don't want to do that.

[@michaelfireheart8300]

Well that and you're expecting someone in a modern business to listen to a bunch of people sending in papers. Do you really think they'd listen to all that and not immediately try to sue us for threats to their lives?

[@UncensoredScion]

@@michaelfireheart8300 that's why I said have it be uniform and 'stop making bad things' then it's harder to find threat in it. But you are right, they'd either find a way to call it racist or sue for threats to them. I guess the only real response is - while insulting these shows - we push good content out there that's focused on creativity and likely as much based on the internet with small projects.

[@BigReuben97]

Reading that title damn near gave me a stroke 😭

[@bacchiguu86]

Thanks for the actual, good explanation. The other videos I've watched about hate-watching are just like "no stupidsss hate-watching never works go woke go broke lol" but with no actual explanation/evidence about the ratings/surveys or how the industry works.

[@DragonGoddess18]

Even if it didn't,"hate-watching" Velma gives said show attention it doesn't deserve It needs to be forgotten and ignored like Admiral Zhao from ATLA

[@TorridPrime217]

I dunno'; I'm still certain SOMEONE in charge wanted basically everyone under the sun to hate it. How could it have been greenlit and released without anyone knowing it was going to key-off basically literally everyone? And on top of that, all those other projects they scrapped or cancelled? Yeah; SOMEONE knew exactly what would happen, basically scrapping everything else that was underperforming and hoping the backlash from this would be enough to boost their numbers. I dunno' if that plan actually worked, but I'm pretty sure that's what it was

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Most of the people inside the industry don't care if people hate it in a sense they don't care if their DETRACTORS hate it. They only care about the fans they do have that like it. There is no conspiracy going on with this show. It was made by incompetent people who felt they had a golden statement on their hands and more than likely had an ironclad contract that would have prevented the show from getting trashed (that and it was probably already completed making NOT airing it as a tax write off a complete waste). Sometimes it is just as simple as a bad show getting the light to be made and that's it. It's happened before and as long as there are bad writers let in, it will continue to happen.

[@TorridPrime217]

@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid Here's something to consider; Mindy Kaling has a well-documented liking of... 'men of the fairer skin', let's say, which basically always bleeds into works she's a part of; and yet in a show that's seemingly meant to be yet another of her self-insert projects; she later rejects the only white guy in favor of both the Asian redhead and later the black simp. I'm not a connoisseur of pretty much any of Kaling's works, so I can't say for certain if this is actually consistent, but it does seem very strange, to me

[@jturner2577]

@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid Funny thing is virtually nobody likes it

[@blackcat7k]

The Velma roasts were some of the most interesting shows I've seen because you got to see just how badly Mindy and company thoroughly missed the mark on portraying the Scooby Franchise.

[@cakefrosting6451]

Even before the hate watching there was news that Velma ALREADY had a season 2 planned

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Eddy essentially sort of sneaking into a movie to watch Morbious was indeed better than the actual movie, Morbious, the movie of all time that Morbed its way into our cold Morbious hearts. But for real, animation takes time and 2nd seasons are sometimes already in the works for a lot of shows and this isn't new at all nor is it a 'Warner' thing. This was going on with Paramount (Nick) and Disney as well when they announced that Rise of the TMNT got a second season not even into the first season's 4th episode and Ducktakes got 'a second season' not into its FIRST EPISODE. The only outlier in this was the PPG reboot because it did get a 3rd season, the season a lot of people agree is the one you have to work for, but it was so badly recieved that it didn't get a proper season send off like the first two did and it tanked the whole series from there. The thing that is so annoying about these reactions is that a lot of the 'cartoon community' is the ones spreading it, which is ironic considering that people who claim to know so much about the industry keep going nuts over something that isn't a hidden secret to anything so their reaction comes off as performative hysteria. On top of that, most people DIDN'T watch Velma on HBO max since the whole series was up on, ahem, CERTAIN SITES, as soon as the episodes officially dropped. That's how a lot of hate-watching is done now considering that companies have made it way too easy to pirate these shows by dumping all the episodes (or a big chunk of them anyway) all at once instead of properly waiting back in 'the old days' making the catch-up process a lot slower but also in a way making the anticipation for the next episode a lot better. The whole binge model has messed up a lot of ratings for shows that could have potentially gotten a lot more popular than they were given a chance to but OH WELL. It works for reruns but new shows could use the help of having some time in between for people to gain some excitement and hope for the payoff. Regardless of that, Velam's low chart numbers may continue to fall even if there is a second season because people are more aware of where they can get 3rd party access of it so..... Yup. They dun played themselves.

[@srichael2713]

They announced the second season early in the first season. I think episode 3 or 4? So yeah, there is a second season... only because they prepared one beforehand.

[@jjjmadness8306]

Velma reminds me a lot of Netflix She-Ra. Both show shit on the legacy that came before them and became massively controversial in the media. So people when say that Velma only got another season because of hate-watching, but that doesn't mean it's doing financially well. Studios will do whatever they can to make a their failures look successful, even when the proof says otherwise.

[@jturner2577]

Studios know these problems but are too chicken shit to admitt them.

[@WhiteRaven696]

We lost out on a Hex Girls movie. 🤬🤬🤬

[@HeadHunter-mv2ht]

I honestly like that this got a season 2, because it embarrass Mindy (who is trying to distance herself from the show) more.

[@reptile1687]

What do you mean

[@HeadHunter-mv2ht]

@@reptile1687 Mindy, who this version of velma’s personality was based around, was promoting this alot but suddenly stopped and deleted her promotions as soon as season one ended. On top of that previously she was taking credit for helping make the show beforehand, but now she doesn’t, it’s obvious that’s she embarrassed about her connections to such a hated show but still will have to continue working on it due to season 2.

[@crownedshyness9656]

They’re making excuses. They’ll make a season 2 to make back some lost money & they’ll end it there. I could see them maybe getting new writers.

[@jturner2577]

They'd make more money in undoing the Hex Girls movie write-off and finishing it.

[@chaosdirge4906]

It's pretty sad when an adult book about 3 mystery solving girls and a mans dog turning into a girl that solve murder mysteries looks like it has a better premise than a property using the actual scooby doo characters.

[@dramonmaster222]

Yeah it's easy to be Number 1 if there's nothing else on.

[@GradeAMolvanian]

This show actually makes me deeply worried about Kaling as a person. Like... there's some disturbing, worrying stuff. If this wasn't the result of corporate meddling, that means this... is her view on the world. This is all just OK to her. Not the ultraviolence done for comedic effect, but saying popular teenagers are you know what who should die (Literally a quote from the show). I think she legitimately needs help. She's disturbed.

[@nont18411]

Just look at the Last of Us, it has been renewed for season 2 right after releasing the first episode. Which means Velma might have done the same thing. Still, I don’t want any of them to have season 2, especially the Last of Us because we all know what happened in the second game.

[@Drac0blade16]

Hold on, they were making a Hex Girls spin-off?!

[@skywise001]

"The internet agreeing on something never happens." - Ah from the BBS days to now. So very very true. Also on reflection I think that if you trimmed out some 50% of the jokes, reworked the others, and made the rest of the dialog make the mystery cool - this could of worked.

[@mileso1042]

the only good thing about velma being renewed is i get to see fred again, he’s the most entertaining character.

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

It's Masters of the Universe: Revelation all over again. They reveal "season 2" and expect us to get excited for things to get better, but they never will because it was written by the same hacks who wrote "season 1". This isn't the result of hate-watching and negative attention being "equivalent" to any attention at all. It's just corporate stupidity thinking this would be popular enough to greenlight a second season before everyone realized that the chicanery that Ms. Kaling was perpetrating wasn't worth their money.

[@kdubbss0583]

I do agree that hate watching didn’t cause a second season, as it was already greenlit. However, I do believe hate watching is a problem. Now, if you choose to watch and make content for it, that’s fine. I’m not knocking the hustle. But there is such a thing as “return upon investment”. For example, the people that scream to the high heavens they don’t like Disney remakes because they’re “soulless cash grabs”, are the same people who will send money to go see it. Those films cost somewhere around $250 to $275 million dollars to make, not to mention the cost for advertising, trailers, etc. to promote it. And these films end making a billion or so dollars. So because Disney is making money off it, they’re gonna continue to make them, when they don’t need to. Overall, I think there should be a happy medium.

[@IronDragon-2143]

Oh boy, Season 2 I can hardly wait to not watch it 😏

[@snapmanx7558]

Velma getting a second season makes me believe that there is no hope for good reboots

[@dlau9991]

The fact that Velma becomes HBO Max's most watched animated show is crazy. Must be why season 2 is still happening.

[@GuiltlessGear]

This video is a year old, and now that season 2 is here, we've got cartoonshi making a video on it, during the intro of which, regurgitates all the outdated misinformation this video already debunks, so now we got a bunch of people parroting the hate-watching rhetoric _again_ .

[@AXLECLAW]

I really hoped that they were doing a big joke where it was just Velma living through life and becoming how smart she was in the show but then at the end few episodes, she would join the main crew and the end would be her going on mysteries with the gang, a sort of fun school story of someone getting smart and maybe some side detective stuff but then at the end, the main plot comes with all the skills she has gained and the mystery crew start their adventure, a good take on the story BUT WHY DID THEY GO WITH THIS DUMB PLOT WHERE THEY HAD THE OTHER CAST MEMBERS ON SCREEN LONG ENOUGH TO RUIN THEM, I WOULD BE ALRIGHT IF THEY ONLY MADE VELMA MORE OF A JERK BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE THE OTHER CHARACTERS AT THE END OF THE SERIES BUT WHY RUIN THEM ALL EXCEPT OUR LORD SCOOBY DOO! Surprised they didn't get that scrappy doo dog and pretend that scrappy doo was scooby doo

[@weirdpixie5752]

You know what they say: “Ignorance is bliss”

[@FluffyCorgi3469]

there is a very small, naïve part of me that really hopes that the second season will be a redeem arc where instead of fake-realizing that she is trash, Velma will get an actual reality check, pointing out all of her mistakes and how toxic she is. Technically, i hoped that would be a plot point in the last episode of the first season, where all of her "friends" that she abused and manipulated turn away from her. But it's dumb. Why expect something like that from a show that uses a "rock thrown in to the window" as their device of pushing forward the plot. The dumbest and easiest ways of literally handing people the clues. The original show was for kids, with silly, simple and naive plots, and it was still better in giving us an ACTUAL detective story, with investigation and plot-twists, lordy loo.

[@humbleheathen69]

Not reading that but season 2 will just be more of the same.

[@crimsonflareumbreon1290]

Yea it felt to soon since they said they have a season 2 a few days after the season finale happen unless they already was working on it now just feel like They’re making excuses so people would takes sides or something

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

I’ll just never understand how a corporate boardroom could’ve heard the pitch for this show and let it get of the ground. It’s just insulting

[@samflood5631]

This is unbelievable. We have to wait 2, 3 or 4 years for season 2 of both Chainsaw Man and Hell’s Paradise to come out while Velma, the worst show of 2023, gets a second season. The hell is wrong with this world?

[@KitsuneFyora]

Completely believe the second season was already green lit before any of this happened. At this point, it sounds like an investment that went sideways. Best thing I can hope is that HBO learned from their mistakes. We will only find out with time

[@bunnyremix1555]

I feel like there's no need for anyone to worry about season two. Why? Well, season one had zero redeeming qualities. Everyone hated it. And we all actively hated on it and ripped it to shreds because it was new. By the time season two comes out, the show is no longer going to be new. Most people are going to be bored of it, and will likely not even bother tuning in. Hell, some people will probably forget it was getting another season altogether until half the episodes have aired. Sure, there will still be people making review videos of the new episodes, but it won't be nearly as many, because there won't be much left to say. Velma proved it wasn't worth looking at twice. The show will be old news and people will stop caring about it. Which will likely lead to it not getting a third season. (I'm with you; it most likely only got a second season because it was already in production and you can't exactly cut that short without wasting oodles of money.) It will be nothing more than an embarrassing chapter in the Scooby Doo franchise, and then we'll all move onto the next adaptation. Hopefully, it'll be a better one. (Then again, the bar is very low when comparing it to Velma.)

[@triggerfairy4070]

They dont consider that some people only knows what happens on the show via video likee this and reaction channel

[@kittytopupsuna6601]

Okay. Okay. Who wants to bet that since this show is prequel... that Warners Bros lied about not having the rights to Scoob and he's just gonna show up the second season in some bullshit way?

[@oxymoron296]

This show has been a wonder for some growing KZbin channels I follow. Some have only a few videos on their channel but the one's about this show are getting views up the yin-yang. Hate watching does work, sadly.