HBO Max's Velma is worse than anyone could have imagined.

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Velma is a raunchy adult take on the classic Scooby-Doo characters. Just without Scooby, or any of the charm that made the franchise endure for so long. The humor is awful with an over reliance on self awareness that is somehow completely out of touch and they say b!tch like 40 times in one episode. Yeah, it's bad.
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[@stranger5011]

This whole "Velma is the protag now not Fred!" Narrative doesn't even work when all the characters were the protagonist and all of them had their part.

[@gtf234]

Neither were the protagonist, the single most important character, that's Scooby. The IP carries his name and it revolves around him; the others are major and main characters, but not the protagonist. Fred, Daphne, and Velma have been omitted entirely from multiple installments across the 80s. And that the network denied letting Mindy have Scooby for this shows how little faith there was in this project, they did not let be a real Scooby Doo product.

[@hibikiholmes2867]

@@gtf234 Since you put it that way then yeah, thank God that Scooby didn't even dignify this show with his appearance. That dog has a good agent.

[@rushalias8511]

@@hibikiholmes2867 my headcanon is that the actual cast saw the script and ran away and the studio had these knock offs made

[@steverempel8584]

Fred was the leader of the group, I always felt that Shaggy and Scooby were the protagonists.

[@knightofarnor2552]

@@gtf234 The group who once upon a time believed that Scrappy Doo was a great idea, thought this show was a bad idea. That's incredible.

[@jaydraws4881]

How did they managed to not only disrespect Mystery Inc and their friendships but also disrespect the Mystery Machine?

[@sunbeames1847]

Simple, they cared less about the IP, and more about chasing trends. It's just another example of "immature adult cartoons", but with a pre-established IP stabled on to its flesh, and I say that because all references to Scooby-Doo is only skin deep.

[@mistydolphin2524]

Woke idiots will always find a way to destroy everything they touch.

[@erikbihari3625]

That's just the world we live in now! Anyone who's not White heterosexual or Male can get away with making trash because those former had it good fare to long!

[@richhutnik2477]

Just say it is another part of a multiverse and has nothing to do with the original series universe.

[@sunbeames1847]

@@richhutnik2477 that does help for those that care about "cannon" (considering it's already necessary by this point with different shows contradicting one another), though the disrespect is still there.

[@AtlasAdvice254]

Mindy gives me massive “said F’d up stuff in middle school and got bullied for it but claims it was all because she’s ‘different’.” Energy

[@CrystalRose1111]

Aka Femcel lol

[@----S.]

I find it unbelievable how Velma went from being a detective comparable to Batman (in the crossover they had a long time ago) to in the end when she got a solo series she was in the hands of a person who turned her into the opposite of everything she had ever been. She went from a smart and shy girl to a pit of ignorance and double entendre jokes.

[@TheSapphireLeo]

Starting to feel like this is all based off us and feel like a complete minority, as it is, too? Y Y

[@TheSapphireLeo]

Or it's just what hollyweird does to people?

[@tylerthompson3075]

I find it unbelievable that people are just now realizing that the worst franchise in history is bad. Stay mad, gump.

[@starkillersneed]

She went from shy and smart detective to an annoying racist smartass who blames people for crimes with zero evidence

[@joshdillon9637]

@@tylerthompson3075 "Worst franchise in history" that's had consistent cultural relevance since its creation in 1969. And is literally the ONLY reason anyone is even watching Velma. But go off, I guess.

[@AlecEburhard]

The way they treated my boy Fred was so malicious 😢. It ain’t right man. He deserved better

[@cdreyes81]

Well you know these days, white can't be good in any light.

[@NoTheNo]

True

[@Borderose]

The creators are using Fred as a whipping boy for all their pent-up hatred of white people.

[@321hackertime5]

real

[@fatel8335]

PREACH IT BROTHER.

[@FOGLotus]

It was horrible, the fact that they didn't just make a show about Mindy herself is just beyond me

[@lookingforlove839]

I thought they already did. Remember Mindy project?

[@palladiamorsdeus]

From my understanding she tried but the network didn't go for the pitch. From there it's fuzzy, either she straight up decided to try be a Scooby Gang skinsuit or the network would only do the idea if it were attached to a well known IP.

[@vermis8344]

It would still be horrible. 😉

[@Kepora1]

They did, it's called Velma

[@animezilla4486]

@@lookingforlove839 I blame the new CEO at Warner Brothers Discovery

[@oldoutlet6946]

Velma: "People who hate our show are just body shaming racists!" Also Velma: "Fred's a rich white dude with a tiny dong, which means he's a bad person."

[@TaoScribble]

Their blatant racism and sexism is disgusting. I already knew where they were going with leaving Fred to be the only one not race-swapped, but this is so much worse than I thought it was going to be.

[@chakr.a]

What was racist? I’m confused?

[@TaoScribble]

@@chakr.a It's _incredibly_ racist towards white people. I'm sick and tired of the blatant racism towards white people, specifically white men, in so many of these kinds of shows the past several years. It's especially disgusting/hypocritical when the same people making these shows claim they're all for diversity/agaisnt racism.

[@magnatemagic7391]

@@chakr.a literally the moment they turned shaggy black they had him the guy making jokes about drugs😐, they try to be woke and diversify the cast but instantly make it racist, they even blatantly made Fred racist or something clearly indicating that they wanted the white person to be in a bad view or something like that

[@TaoScribble]

@mohamed zayan Same, honestly, but they say she's supposed to be half-Asian in this. There's even a joke about what Daphne can and can't get away with since she's not white.

[@candide1065]

@@chakr.a The show race-swaps characters and constantly makes fun of white men and treats them like shit. Yeah, you really come across as highly confused if you don't see that.

[@skyslasher2297]

1:32 Unironically making Shaggy a simp was the most disrespectful change because it removes one of the funniest parts about the character the fact that he's got mad game despite not being interested in dating. Shaggy doesn't simp people simp for Shaggy

[@lookingforlove839]

I remember him having a relationship with an alien chick in one of the animated movies. I forgot the name

[@skyslasher2297]

​@@lookingforlove839 There are exceptions to the no interested rule plus it was a mutual attraction when most simp dynamics its one sided.

[@rushalias8511]

@@lookingforlove839 crystal from the alien invaders. He also has attracted velma herself. Several girls in different series like velm cousin And a few others...but the thing is...shaggy is always either oblivious to it or it just doesn't work for him.

[@zachbahamutson5477]

In one of the movies Shaggy is straight-up shown to attract vilma's younger sister, this is hilarious because she looks like a more energetic version of Velma probably went out for cheerleading instead of chess club. Yeah Shaggy has mad game when it comes to the ladies.

[@daemonsw77]

Shaggy simps for scooby snacks full stop

[@thepatrolmangaming5649]

Am I the only one who’s guessing that Velma’s mom is the villain? I mean look at it, they’re constantly slapping us in the face that it’s her. Velma’s mom goes missing, her mom despises her daughter after she had basically ruined her life by being a terrible daughter, she’s the main focus of all her hallucinations, plus the killer is clearly trying too frame velma. Her mom would probably be the one trying to frame her daughter for these deaths cause velma ruined her life, targeting the high school students that velma hates too put the blame on her and ruin her life like velma did hers. Like it wouldn’t have been so obvious if they didn’t just slap it in the viewers face on the very first episode. Bet they’ll act all surprised when it turns out it’s her when this plot/story was so predictable

[@2212blackstar]

Crazy part is, this was my very thought like it doesn’t try for subtlety I mean I’m not gonna watch it outside of reviews or pirate but it’s clear that this is the case unless they try pulling a gacha moment. But that would take skill to do and if the first two are any indicator that is not the case

[@gkagara]

How can Indian couple named their Daughter Velma anyway? That's totally uncommon for names, she turn out to be negative across the board and what's worse she friendzoned Shaggy given her look Shaggy probably the best deal Velma ever has in her life. Also how an Asian ended up being a brunette? And being named Daphne? Sell drugs and morally okay with that? Daphne personality seems geared toward being a hoe, her name suggests it was not her real name but stage name or something, it just unnatural.

[@texasfuneral4787]

Who actually gives a shit?

[@daemonsw77]

yeah i thought the same thing, we will all see im sure since even tho "most" people hate it everyone cant seem to stop watching or talking about it.

[@ReikokuXTaifuu]

"My daughter loves solving mysteries more than anything. So i disappeared and became a serial killer so she could solve the murders and the mystery behind my disappearance. So she can live her dream of solving real mysteries!" I'm gonna guess that THAT'S the plot twist. And that's just from only watching this video, not the actual show.

[@Gamelover254]

My favorite Scooby Doo thing ever will always be Zombie Island. The whole cast felt their most complete in that movie. They got along, didn’t follow stupid tropes, Daphne had a great personality and had her own show with Fred helping her, Velma was smart yet willing to believe in ghosts and such, and Shaggy and Scooby did their thing. It all just worked really well and the villains and atmosphere was a special highlight. This is downright pathetic. Thank you for reminding me these characters are 15 in this show. Now I’m even more disgusted by the constant sexualized nature of the female characters, and the downright hateful nature towards Fred what with violating his privacy, making him sheltered/dumb, constantly making reference too his body in a weird way and then being publicly humiliated and stripped naked in front of millions of reporters. AT 15. Wtf what these writers on? I have to go watch Zombie Island now.

[@sarafontanini7051]

god Ihope to see an era where they stop making Velma arrogant and a sceptic, it jsut makes her look like an asshole.

[@CrystalRose1111]

Velma is what happens when you fund somebody’s narcissist fanfic

[@AhmedEx1.]

@@CrystalRose1111 isn't this basically someone's narcissistic self insert fanfic?

[@_Stormfather]

I remember when Zombie Island came out. I was a kid, and was super hyped because it came out around the same time as The Witch's Ghost and The Cyber Chase. Great specials!

[@lordhellstrande2763]

Zombie Island legitimately gave me nightmares as a child...and I miss it

[@321hackertime5]

I just wanna add, that fred is actually rich in the mystery incorporated show. His father is the mayor and he is basically a rich kid, BUT THEY DIDN'T MAKE THAT HIS ENTIRE PERSONALITY.

[@Nightcore-336]

His adopted father/not his real dad For those who haven't seen mystery incorporated

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

David Zaslav: *wipes out several beloved animated series in the name of tax writeoffs* Also David Zaslav: *lets this insult to Hanna-Barbera’s legacy get released despite its many damning faults*

[@bashamd96]

I genuinely can only believe this happened cause it was too far into development to justify cancelling it just makes no sense otherwises It's not even a decent justification

[@jlinus7251]

@@bashamd96 you would think this right, but they cut the new season of Infinity train near the end of production for that season. These companies just want us to hate them at this stage

[@muddashucka9743]

I can think of an actual decent justification. Zaslav WANTED to cancel the show, but Mindy threatened to file a discrimination lawsuit, so they let the show through to appease her.

[@Slitheringpeanut]

He released this to prove a point, that anything HE doesn't approve of will fail. Or so the rumour goes, and given what we've been told of the man, I'm willing to believe it.

[@Kepora1]

@@muddashucka9743 That-...actually makes sense. He'd have grounds to outright fire her/kick her out too if she works for them.

[@SamsonArtChannel]

They wanted to do a show for a mature audience, but ended up being more childish than the actual children show. I’m sorry you have to endure this.

[@Blox117]

what did you expect from ⬛s and ♀ "writers"

[@BestAiden23]

@@Blox117 that’s actually a bit racist I’m not even gonna lie

[@Blox117]

@@BestAiden23 truth hurts

[@donteo508]

@@Blox117 ah yes a single badly written show speaks for the entirety of these groups. Let's discuss how many garbage shows have come from guys and white people then! (Hopefully you're seeing how stupid your statement comes off as)

[@jeeperspeepers1262]

@@Blox117wait until bro finds out men and white people worked on this too

[@pallasdiana4206]

This show embodies "Tell me that you've never seen Scooby-Doo without saying you've never seen Scooby-Doo"

[@Sn00pyguy]

I think what happened is Mindy Kaling presented her new animated “comedy” to HBO and they thought there is no way it could make any money, but they have to release it regardless. So, quite cleverly, they rebranded the show to tie in with Scooby-Doo so it already had a base audience, and all the controversy surrounding it would bring in even more viewers. Doesn’t sound like a great plan, but when you consider that Mindy’s show would have gotten only 1 viewer (Mindy herself), tying it to another IP was the only way to get anything from it.

[@natto4now]

What happened to the whole body positivity stuff? Making the whole punch line "lol small pp" is acceptable but they would throw a hissy fit if it was "lol you have small boobs" it would be called body shaming

[@FireRising86]

Double standard is the modern standard

[@SamtheBravesFan]

That movement only applies to weight.

[@manolomartinez5033]

Body positivity is exclusively for fat women. Fat shame all you want, if you're not fat you earned it.

[@yeoldeseawitch]

@@manolomartinez5033 you can absolutely fat shame guys in this day and age, its perfectly ok, but don't you dare have any concern or thought for fat women, cuz thats offensive.

[@manolomartinez5033]

@@yeoldeseawitch don't worry about fake activists. Fat shame all you want, it's the only way to truly reduce the current obesity epidemic.

[@Jetblast01]

There is not a single change made in this series that isn't a horrible mistake.

[@rushalias8511]

I'd argue scooby being absent is for the best....he doesn't have to live with the disgrace that is having a counterpart from this show.

[@Jetblast01]

@@rushalias8511 If this series wasn't so bad in the first place, they wouldn't need to cut Scooby to begin with. But it is a mercy he wasn't in his one.

[@mistydolphin2524]

Woke reboots described in 1 sentence.

[@smearier1883]

except one....oh wait nevermind

[@magnatemagic7391]

@@rushalias8511 my friend joked that they would make him a pitbull named princess (if you get it then you get it)

[@Zapper-Zac]

Why do I feel like Velma is a self insert story with a scooby doo license slapped on it

[@katylepetsos7512]

That’s cus she is

[@CrystalRose1111]

It is Almost makes it worse when you realize who’s self insert it is

[@Zapper-Zac]

@@CrystalRose1111 I'm worried to ask who But I'm curious to know who

[@marcohidalgo1101]

@@Zapper-Zac Kelly Kapoor from The Office

[@atikahsyahla2552]

@@Zapper-Zac Mindy Kaling

[@thomashanson9173]

This feels like this show is payback for not being invited to a party or asked out by the cool kids. It's like a self insert fanfic to those types of people. This show gives me that energy.

[@CrystalRose1111]

Aka incel/femcel vibes

[@Ransomations]

I remember disliking the Velma/Shaggy romance in Mystery Incorporated, but at least that Shaggy had some dignity and self worth.

[@GarciaXVLegend_04]

And luckily that the Ship only lasted short, if I didn't know any better I think it was self-aware that the Relationship wasn't going to last.

[@John-fk2ky]

I liked the IDEA of the two being shipped, but I didn't like HOW it was handled (I didn't like Mystery Incorporated as a show, either, but that's another matter). Based on all prior media, Velma is probably Scooby's second favorite person (the first obviously being Shaggy). If the two were showing some level of romantic attraction, he'd be at worst indifferent to it and more likely be doing everything he could to encourage it.

[@masterDarts4188]

@@John-fk2ky Yeah, my one issue with Mystery incorporated was how they wrote Velma. I think its because they wanted to make her gay so they kind of wrote the paring as bad.

[@BNK2442]

This type of shows should focus more on the Mysteries and less on romance. If I wanted to see which character would still with who, I would watch a romance or soap opera.

[@rator1st]

@Hannibal Rasberry honestly they really could have just not done it to begin with, the will they won't they subplot didn't go anywhere and felt like a waste of time that could have been used elsewhere.

[@melantharosewood]

When someone online asks, “Who was this show made for?,” my answer is going to be, “This show is made for only one person: Mindy Kaling.”

[@gtf234]

That nine out of ten times is the case when the executive producer is also the lead role, and most of the time it ends up terrible because it's an ego trip instead of a passion project.

[@blacksoldier430]

And thats why fanfics needs to be kept in secret

[@tylerthompson3075]

Well it made Scooby-Doo fans mad. And Scooby-Doo has always been the most garbage franchise in history so... Two people.

[@dallascopp4798]

Mindy Kaling, but dressed as Velma!

[@CrystalRose1111]

@@tylerthompson3075 You’re alone on that take, bud

[@jeangentry6656]

The cops who unjustly shot Fred will be sued into the ground, and everyone who took pics of Full Frontal Fred now has CP on their phone. Good job Velma!

[@Monie71793]

💯🤦🏽‍♀️

[@andygeorgeparkinson2515]

This is Mindi telling us about her own life , upbringing and aspirations thru her own character interpretation of Velma, it is actually a very sad story and I feel really sorry for Mindi that she has had such an empty and unhappy life

[@CrystalRose1111]

The realest comment in the comment section

[@azzburgersaf1973]

The shows just keep getting worse. High Guardian Spice may have been bad, but at least it was original and it had the Chad that is Slime Boy.

[@markeyiszra]

Slime Boy,the only character that is more interesting than the main protagonist.

[@Surgehero5136]

I was holding out for high gaurdian spice, I know it had a lot of bad PR but idk I thought the show itself would be good but sadly that was not the case

[@jossuecabrera8611]

Actually, a lot of the problems do sound very similar to high guardian spice...

[@MegaGlassguy]

@@markeyiszra Amaryllis McMoneybags (yes, that's her full name) was pretty great too, let's not forget.

[@2212blackstar]

@@MegaGlassguy amaryllis was awesome same for snapdragon

[@Babidi111]

- definitely her own fan fiction and self insert character. I mean how could you write her as so insufferable and awful to people yet also have some nice dude in her friendzone wishing to be more to her. why would he want that, she hasn't been shown to have any admirable or desirable traits and is also not much in the looks department.

[@GayToBeHere]

As a woman having any dudes crushing on me to the point this character does sounds like a nightmare. The person who wrote this show is incredibly priviledged if she thinks it's cute and positive ._.

[@CrystalRose1111]

@@GayToBeHere exactly, the show has such Femcel vibes to me. It’s like they tried to write her character to be a quirky and relatable everygirl, and give her underdog qualities, and making her hate popular people ??? See that kind of writing doesn’t hold up in 2023, it’s cringe. Maybe in the 2000’s it wouldn’t have had so much hate.

[@japaniseanimialover1]

she didn't write it, just produces and stares in it Charlie Grindr did, the first two episodes were def him, not sure about the ones xomjng

[@Nakia11798]

Why are self-inserts often such assholes? Whatever happened to Mary-Sues? I'd literally rather that

[@aporue5893]

the show nobody asked for.

[@jacotromp59581]

Scooby-Doo is so easy to write. 4 young people and their dog solving mysteries and teaching kids that monsters can be those people close to us. Plain and simple.

[@Andrea1542]

It really shocks me that they made such a joke out of Fred and that his small unit is constantly mentioned. That's utter body shaming, I don't get offended by much, but that is just sick. How much damage this can do to a man's psyche over a joke. No, I'm not a guy, I'm a woman and this is equally as wrong as making fun of any other body part that someone is born with and can't do anything about it.

[@slicerneons3300]

My utmost sympathy for you. This is cruel and unusual punishment that could easily be considered a form of torture. Everything about this is offensive

[@TheSouloftheDragon]

It's too explicit for kids and too immature for adults. Old fans hate this and the target audience never watch things made for them. Velma is a show for no one.

[@annafrancis6045]

Why would you even bring kids into this? This is an adult oriented show. Duh.

[@palladiamorsdeus]

The target audience actively hates it. They just made everyone angry.

[@annafrancis6045]

@@palladiamorsdeus this show is adult oriented! Why would kids be involved to watch this?!

[@animezilla4486]

@@palladiamorsdeus I don't hate it as much as other people

[@renebismarck8265]

@@annafrancis6045 Because there are children who watch adult shows too.

[@tedjomuljono3052]

The easiest way to describe the show is "it's Scooby Doo Remade by people who really hates Scooby Doo"

[@goodnaturedgamer8181]

I kind of like the idea that Fred's voice actor is playing the dad. It's kind of meta that he is disappointed in the series.

[@kelpietales4503]

I remember reading somewhere that Fred Jones is a character that means a lot to Frank Welker so that must have been a desperate, painful paycheck for him. Even if the characters stayed white and Norville was called Shaggy this still be an mean, shallow in-name-only show. Shows like Mike Tyson Mysteries showed there you can do "Adult Scooby Doo" successfully and that was also a show that happened to be pretty diverse too. Also, Be Cool Scooby Doo deserves an apology. The art style wasn't great but had clever writing thanks to writers from Phineas and Ferb and respected the original source material. They even had an episode about Fred concerned about "being a man" that had a good moral about asking for help and wasn't raging about "toxic masculinity."

[@comradesam3382]

Mike Tyson mysteries wasnt what I would call a good show, but a fun one, hell you at least get a few laughs out of it instead of this diharea

[@Twentydragon]

I maintain that _Mystery Incorporated_ and _Be Cool_ are the two best incarnations of the franchise and for opposite reasons. _MI_ got fairly dark and told a story with an overarching mystery and high stakes. _BC_ was a lighthearted and really witty comedy with fun mysteries to boot. Both incarnations had fun characterization, and different characters received primary focus ( _MI_ shifted focus around to each of the characters but was primarily about Scooby; _BC_ was primarily about Fred and Velma). I don't think that _Velma_ is atrocious thus far, but it's definitely got a lot of conceptual problems, and it leans way too hard on the fourth wall. The only character I find likable so far is Norville; everyone else, especially Velma herself, is really mean-spirited. As this is an origin story, I can only hope they develop out of this tendency.

[@jacketoff_f]

i was actually pretty excited when velma was announced. the idea of solving the mysteries with the gang but with a more adult tone sounded very cool. now, the show's here and i didn't even bother to watch one episode

[@paulj6805]

I've been waiting for a good adult Scooby Doo series ever since hearing the original concept for the live action movie. One that could lean into the stoner elements and the absurdity of the adventures they go on. Either a reboot or a psuedo sequel set years after the events of the original series. Either way man, this ain't it. This is just... Awful. It's not even a bad representation of the franchise, it actively and aggressively disrespects it. It's a shame.

[@marcusmendesmontano7167]

Imagine someone saving your life, and then, less then a day later *you acuse them of murder* , thanks Velma, very cool

[@TheNadroj10]

Yeah she’s actually a bigger piece of shit than fred was supposed to be. Good job writers

[@haroldpeagler1430]

A pup named Scooby Doo was the closest thing to a origin story that was EVER needed

[@LHSMeleeClub]

Hopefully people realize how good and underrated "Be Cool Scooby Doo" actually was now that this abomination dropped

[@bakeranita6040]

I rewatched it annd- you were right. Sorry be cool. I messed up

[@blacksoldier430]

Yeah it is a good show, the problem was that ugly designs they got, they looked like if they came straight out of a family guy gag But putting that aside it is really fun

[@olliegoria]

In my defense, this steaming pile of crap didn't exist back then to provide that low of a bar.

[@dralakba-dusk31]

@@olliegoria even before that show wasn't the bottom, simply cuz Scrappy wasn't in it

[@ChillstoneBlakeBlast]

A good Show that was mostly return to form but the Character design was just awful.

[@jonathandavenport5326]

Mystery Incorporated was incredible - excellent jokes, very clear love for the source material, meta without being cringe. Would love to see more of that.

[@TheCapedWanderer]

One of the very best animated shows ever made. Perfect craft: the writing, the art, the story, and above all the characters, so well developed. And the jokes, it’s unbelievable, I have scarcely laughed harder. Freddy and his traps...

[@jonathandavenport5326]

@@TheCapedWanderer the traps bit!! So good!

[@tylerthompson3075]

It wasn't. The entirety of all Scooby-Doo is mid at best. It's terrible. You fucking gumps are mad that they made a bad show for the worst franchise ever. It was literally NEVER good. Stay mad, gump.

[@TheCapedWanderer]

@@tylerthompson3075 I doubt that you’ve seen “the entirety of all Scooby Doo,” in fact I highly doubt you’ve even seen more than a few episodes of Mystery Incorporated. Like I said, the writing on that show is as good as it gets in animated comedy. I’ve seen a lot of cartoons, I go looking for funny ones; I’m sorry it doesn’t appeal to you, but that’s really your problem. Go enjoy what you like. But don’t knock a straight ace series because you’re petty and spiteful like the writers of this garbage parasitic zombie show.

[@tylerthompson3075]

@@TheCapedWanderer Have your doubts, but you'd be wrong. It was ALWAYS on growing up. Every episode ALWAYS ends exactly the same. Good writing? It's not good at all. Do you just read the same books and watch the same movie over and over? I have seen so much Scooby-Doo and it's tiresome. The franchise fucking SUCKS. I will walk back a tiny bit of my previous comment though: Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island was alright. That's it. One movie. The rest of it sucks, hardcore. Pretty much any Scooby-Doo theme song makes me want to fall asleep or leave the room. Garbage, garbage, hot fucking garbage. It's so bad it's painful. Anyone who has serious reverence for the franchise is a fucking gump.

[@bbgunz1705]

Here are some of my personal fave Scooby Doo stuff. What's New Scooby Doo: captured the spirit of the original and was fun. Also the theme song is catchy as heck. Zombie Island: Popular for a reason. Good animation for direct to video, real monsters, and some "holy crap!" dark moments. And "Terror Time" is a banger. Witch's Ghost: Tim Curry as the villain and the Hex Girls. Enough said. Mystery Incorporated: Terrible Velma/Shaggy romance aside, very good series with an intriguing overarching plot and darker tone at points. Kiss: Rock N' Roll Mystery: This one is my guilty pleasure. I predicted who the bad guy was by a mile away, but this overall movie was just so crazy and strange I couldn't help but enjoy it. If I had a nickel for every time an animated special had Kiss revealed to be magical space protectors, I'd have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.

[@Monie71793]

It happened TWICE? 🤨🤣

[@BD-1-And-Only]

Let’s not forget Mindi Kaling wrote a whole TV show about barely legal girls having sex

[@BD-1-And-Only]

@hypnospaceoutlaw3376 Yup. It’s literally called “The Sex Lives of College Girls”

[@aisling7540]

Only funny joke in the show so far: When Daphne and her posse confront Velma in the restroom but she keeps getting interrupted. Why is it funny? 'Cause it's the only joke the writers didn't feel the need to explain.

[@zacharychristy8928]

There's a joke in the second episode (which very few people are going to see) that involved Daphne distracting her moms by texting them "I found a sick cat I want to adopt" and they speed off in their car, presumably to go talk her out of it. Something about the delivery got a chuckle out of me. It was a 4/10 joke in a show that's consistently in the range of -2 to 0.

[@PrototypeSpaceMonkey]

Yeah, the only funny joke in the show and they basically stole it from Spider-Man: Homecoming.

[@emiliepitcock]

Meanwhile, real fans are making their own series called Mystery Incorporated here on KZbin! The pilot episode looks promising!

[@kristinag7621]

Honestly this sounds like a train wreck. In Scooby Doo the point was that despite them all being different the gang was actually quite close and respected each others differences and encouraged each other in what they were best at. And yeah there may have been a running gag of Daphne being a damsel in distress a lot but there were times where she was just as integral I. Figuring out the mystery. And Daphne was a sweetheart in the original. I’m not sure I’d be able to sit through watching this I commend you for doing so

[@thetruej7872]

I'm so glad almost everyone in the internet is trashing this disgrace for a cartoon. This is just a typical modern day adult cartoon with constant swearing, gore, and nudity just to "seem mature". Unfortunately they not only used Scooby Doo characters but also race swapped them and made them so unlikable. I guarantee you if Scooby Doo was in this show, they probably make him a real dog but once they take drugs, he's the classic Scooby Doo, pretty much saying the dog we all know and love is an acid trip.

[@lehahiah81]

I could see that happening.

[@VileGlory]

Thankfully, Warner didn't want Scooby in this show.

[@kiwilord9628]

From what I've heard from others is that Mindy tried to make her own version of Mike Tyson mysteries but couldn't get the thing off the ground, so that is why there is a Scooby-Doo coat of paint on it. Of course it is just speculation.

[@absolutelydegenerate1900]

Wouldn’t surprise me since that’s how a lot of these shows are. People know it’s either going to flop or don’t want to take a risk on something new so they give these people a property they don’t give a damn about to do whatever they like to.

[@Dave102693]

Sounds like She-Ra PoP and Fate: The Winx Saga tbh.

[@teleportingpotatoe]

Mike what

[@right_hand_power7960]

I wonder if that is essentially how the Harley Quinn adult cartoon was created.

[@mikeyjamieson4715]

Mystery Incorporated!Velma could be morally superior too; the difference is that was written to be a FLAW. And you could still see that underneath that snark she genuinely cared about her friends. Also, this is the second series that Kaling has written where the protagonist is a blatant self-insert, that has mummy issues, and is living out her horny teenage fantasies. (The first being Never Have I Ever).

[@JakeTheArmyGuy]

To quote Yahtzee Croshaw, "Ironically pointing out that you're doing something tired and cliche doesn't change the fact that you're doing something tired and cliche."

[@Anastas1786]

Honestly, I'm totally fine with a version of _Scooby-Doo_ in which the Gang hasn't met yet and they're all in very separate social groups that kind of dislike each other, so they're all kind of thrown together by what will be their first mystery, basically forcing them to _learn_ to like each other and work with each other's special skills and social connections in order to solve it... ...but everyone in _Velma_ utterly *_hates_* everyone else.

[@Rocket1377]

Yeah, that kind of character development is commonplace in fiction. Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia didn't like Han Solo when they first met him, and Ron Weasley and Harry Potter weren't friends with Hermione Granger at first either.

[@japaniseanimialover1]

that is incorrect Shaggy, far as I know, hates no one in the show other then drug dealers

[@DD8842]

1.) Sad J face is heart breaking. 2.) Norvil needs better friends 3.) scooby doo needs better lawyers to keep this from getting a 2nd season

[@proclasscorvo4498]

Velma is fantastic because it makes me appreciate the older versions twice as much.

[@madlaboratorian8696]

Wait, did they give an Asian character literally yellow skin?

[@sonicroze]

I really just like the old classic Scooby-Doo show where the mystery of the week always had some logic to it. There was a reason Old Man Perkins was trying to scare everyone off with a fog machine, some fishing line and a projection of some ghost. I also have a soft spot for "The 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo!" I admit a good chunk of that is getting to hear Vincent Price. I think maybe 13 is an unlucky number for cartoons though. Pirates of Dark Water had 13 stones to go for and it too got canned before its time. That said, if you have to twist my arm to more modern Scooby shows, I have go go with Mystery Inc. It not only had the monster of the day plots, but an actual supernatural element as well. It also gave the characters an overarching plot and real character development. Scooby and Shaggy - who classically have been both dense and scared, wind up needing to have a backbone which becomes more than just the inspiration of a scooby snack. The relationship with Velma and Shaggy is also good, since Shaggy's terrified that him really committing to the relationship could alienate him and Scooby, and Velma's patience wearing thin. Though the "trap" jokes may not have aged particularly well, Freds' obsession with them also caused problems for him and Daphne. While the ending of the show was a bit rushed, the Scooby Team proved that they were best together as a team and eventually settled their interpersonal differences. That it had a proper ending is also a good thing.

[@palladiamorsdeus]

One of my favorites was the ladder factory episode. 'Nobody buys new ladders!'

[@Monie71793]

Fred's trap obsession made me adore him even more. 🥰 He's such a dork. 😩🤣 Also: Trap of Love was unnecessarily awesome. 😩🤣🥰

[@SM-cv8sv]

I'm so sorry you have to go through this.

[@animezilla4486]

She ain't the only one I tried to give this a fair chance believe me the show was so cringy I had to fast forward a lot just to fine anything good about it the only thing I find good was the animation and the voice acting everything else was just God awful. In my opinion this series should have been an original project it would have work so much better that way

[@orsonzedd]

Fred's parents in Velma are worse people than his parents in Mystery Inc, so that's impressive.

[@isabellegray2338]

The most ironic thing about this show is that Fred ended up being the most sympathetic character even though the show was written to convince you to hate him.

[@kc_9970]

As a person who'd seen episodes of What's New Scooby-Doo, and several animated incarnations and movies, this... physically makes me sick. Especially the "adult who still watch cartoons" line.

[@Void_Out]

Truthfully, the biggest problem with this show isn’t the show It’s that despite everyone hating it together, they still find a way to point the finger towards the other side and blame them for why it’s bad. Even when everyone agrees, they’re divided

[@Disinterested1]

not divided just shamed by those payed by the vendors and the vendors

[@hannahcleary]

Cute

[@palladiamorsdeus]

Yeah I noticed that. The left is screaming this is a far right persons idea of 'woke' humor while the right thinks this is just more schlock from the left. Now mind you, one of those things is accurate but we can still put it aside and just focus on dog piling this abomination.

[@animezilla4486]

In my opinion before show or movie gets released to the public it would have made more sense if they do a test screening and see how audience react to it that will probably save companies a whole bunch

[@bond007spectre7]

@@hannahcleary Wednesday was Mediocre but unfortunately with todays standards mediocre = top tier

[@blackcat7k]

You deserve a medal for sitting through those episodes. Just hearing the recap was painful.

[@zingderblikt9419]

Oh, J, thank you so much for enduring this torment. I knew this reboot was gonna suck, but I never imagined anyone would massacre these characters so thoroughly! I've watched the original run of Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? an absurd number of times, I know these characters in their first incarnation like the back of my hand. I could write entire paragraphs on how badly mangled this show's 'interpretations' are, though for time's sake I'll only do one, but the thing I want to point out is that they're supposed to be nice. Seriously, the original Mystery Incorporated gang is the nicest bunch of teenagers you'd ever meet, every single one is a genuine sweetheart. It really hurts my heart to see them characterized as mean, spiteful, shallow, assholes. And as for Daphne, I have things to say! Far from the eye-candy damsel in distress media often likes to paint her as, the original Daphne is actually the team's primary investigator, and I can prove it! I went through all twenty-five episodes of the original series and tallied up every single instance of clue finding, and the final scores are: Fred with 14, Shaggy with 19, Velma with 20, and Scooby and Daphne both with 23. However, that's just the total clues found. I also counted which ones were found entirely by accident, and which ones were a result of observation and intentional searching. Our final scores then become: Shaggy with 7, Fred with 12, Scooby with 14, Velma with 18, and Daphne with 19. For the record, ten of Velma's came entirely from the eight episodes in Season 2. Daphne finds at least one clue in all but two episodes of the first season, but only in three episodes during the second. While she was flanderized out of the role early on, Daphne originally held the job of clue finder. She was the most observant member of the team, and the best at searching the environment. Even when she was captured by the monster, which happened to everyone at some point, she often came back with useful information, demonstrating that she stayed calm and competent even in harrowing situations. I could go on for a long time about Daphne, but my point is to illustrate that she was created initially to serve an important role. Daphne was never the show's weak link. On a more positive note, my favorite run of the show is the original, if I haven't already made that obvious. There's something special about the first time the characters were ever put to screen, before the franchise became so steeped in formula and archetypes. Sure, the animation is embarrassingly cheap, but the plots are actually less formulaic than much of what would come later. The painted backgrounds create a lovely atmosphere for spooking, and the monsters are iconic. Every single one of them has such a unique sound; some roar, some moan, some laugh, but the sound designers put a lot of work into making an impression with each. And the characters may only have one run cycle, but they put as much personality as they could into each of them. They did a lot with very little!

[@Monie71793]

Awesome comment. ☺️

[@chunkykong8683]

Scooby-Doo himself may not be the well-written or perfect cartoon Ironic, but still left an Impact to a ton of hardcore fans who could relate, sometime go through fear, and still the god boy who made us laugh. Glad they didn't change him Into a Black Wolf In this! I also think we owe a major apology to Kate Micucci , cause she at least wasn't THIS spiteful and woke around her own cast members and those who been loyal to her bland compared to this!!!!

[@Invidente7]

Kate micucci?

[@Sara_Hohman]

@@Invidente7 Velma's main Voice actress starting 2015.

[@GayToBeHere]

The show doesn't deserve to be called "woke" if it mocks dudes with small dicks. It's 100% corporate bullshit who tries to pander to what's cool to include this week.

[@jrt2792]

The cruel and unusual punishment is watch Velma.... Even Dante himself couldn't comprehend such a horrible torture...

[@nezumixp6744]

Watching Velma is the 10th circle of Hell

[@TibiConstantine]

watching Velma is like courting Death.

[@ezioauditore3976]

They had so much potential to make a good adult Scooby doo series and they threw it into the shredder 😭😭😭

[@qattieg7869]

My friend suggested that Shaggy not THIS poser but the actually one of the rich one and him and the Original Daphne are family friends since they run in the same circles. And I could see that idea working well because I always thought they saw each other more as siblings since they did have that series without Freddy and Velma. I don't MIND Shaggy having a cute crush on the ORIGINAL Velma she was SWEET and smart...a little clumsy but kind. Having the idea of him going out of his way to learn all these things like in the classic show to impress her. While she could find him odd but a loyal...but both too shy or it takes them time to realize they genuine like each other. While Velma and Freddy on the other hand I feel like they are neighbors that stuck up a good friendship they have different taste but they don't mind each other. They all cared for each other...and scooby didn't feel like SHAGGY'S dog it felt like it was THEIR DOG. That dog loved them and that was his family. I want MYSTERY but I do like the wholesome friendship they strike up. I don't want anymore bratty characters we HAVE to like.

[@Monie71793]

💯😩

[@dnaseb9214]

I love that Velmas Mom, went out for some cigarets and never returned. Didnt Daphne have a big personality upgrade when she finally returned after the Scrapy Doo era ? When she basicaly had to be Velma, Fred and herself rolled into 1.

[@taddad2641]

@Ferbujosbe supposed to be indian i think, not black. jsut shows how off the design is. and she's probably a murderer too and there is a long rotted brain in that gift box cause that would be 'funnies'.

[@Monie71793]

@Ferbujosbe She's not Black. 🤦🏽‍♀️ She's Indian (as in: ACTUAL India).

[@TheSpawnfan]

Be Cool Scooby Doo and The Mike Tyson Mysteries did a better job as parodies than Velma and the directors even had the gall to say Velma is an "affectionate parody" of Scooby Doo

[@GrymsArchive]

I got the feeling the "Writers room" 😅 was filled with people enjoying the smell or their own farts.

[@duckman2480]

Self awareness is worthless without changing yourself for the better

[@acholl980]

Why Frank. WHY!!!!!!!

[@EquesTron]

Normally, even if something is bad, I can stick it out to the end. At the end of the second episode of Velma, I don't think I can do it. I lightly chuckled once in the two episodes I watched, while the rest is horribly unfunny and tryhard. It's irredeemably bad, and doesn't deserve to have any association with the Scooby Doo brand. To answer your question, though. While I enjoy the classics such as Scooby Doo Where Are You, I think What's New Scooby Doo is my favorite iteration of the property, with A Pup Named Scooby Doo not far behind.

[@Aego384]

Oh man, What's New Scooby Doo was my childhood!

[@Nightcore-336]

My brother used to have a dvd of What's new Scooby Doo and it was the first cartoon(with episodes)that I wacht in german dub

[@rando8272]

They ruined my trap loving himbo… don’t worry brother, they won’t hurt you anymore..

[@hehecute3]

I watched this with my uncle because he was the one who got me into scooby doo it honestly the reason I like urban exploring and complexed and mysterious things but we were definitely disappointed with this show we thought they were going to have a more mature comedic outpoint like more darker jokes,gore,etc. but we were disgusted to find out they sexualized the characters we grew up with,what saddens me more velma was always my favorite character because she was a plus sized girl who was intellectual and wasn't expected to just get a random makeover forever,and I mean we are big scoobydoo fans my uncles literal nickname is shaggy due to how much he was a scoobydoo fan and how much he looks like the original shaggy I thought this would of been a great chance to do yes darker mysteries and more diversity in the gang but not a chance to sexualize teens,and on top of it to find out Mindy is a Jk rowling defender sadden me more sorry for this rant but I can tell you a lot of older scooby doo fans are really disappointed and newer ones too

[@patrickleighpresents749]

Thank you for taking one for the team by watching this so the rest of us do not have to watch it. This show sounds INCREDIBLY mean spirited, tasteless, and downright gross. Some people have been pointing out that the depiction of Fred almost comes across as the writer using him as a stand-in for some white guy she knows and hates. I'm inclined to agree. There's something very PERSONAL in how petty the writing is for his character. Frankly, I think she has revealed far more about her own issues than she realizes because when you read between the lines, you see a lot of bitterness and vindictiveness in the story.

[@KingOrest]

Episode 1 was painful, my sis and I couldn’t even finish ep 1

[@whatthefisfilipinx]

You're not wrong. Time to rewatch Scooby-Doo Mystery Inc.

[@GuranPurin]

In all the reviews of this show I watched, not a single one mentioned that Fred actually defended Velma from accusations from the school. Despite being a supposed racist. And she STILL treats him like shit afterwards? How on earth is ANYONE supposed to find this character likeable?

[@KelShu]

UI Shaggy saw Frieza's new form, and decided to become Black Shaggy

[@linderofhyrule]

This show hurts my soul...I loved whats new Scooby-Doo as a kid it was the only show I'd watch really it's like someone literally killed my childhood

[@Marika_ER]

It's not that hard to make the characters college students if they want to do adult stuff with them

[@fablethewolf825]

I remember an old Cartoon Network bumper, back when classic Scooby still aired in the nineties. The voice over was Fred complaining about how he and his friends are always called 'meddling kids', saying he was in his early twenties. Now in my thirties, I see the early twenties as still a kid and eighteen as a pretty arbitrary age to be considered an adult; there are plenty of actors in their twenties who can and do pass for their teenage characters. All that said, at least twenty-two is of legal age, so sexualization wouldn't be that bad. Just change the high-school to a collage, no harm, no foul.

[@kyokugenryudisciple9349]

I said the same thing with High Guardian Spice. I was hoping this show would be decent and have a silver lining of some kind. It would suck but it would be eh. But man…this reinforces the idea that media from The Trump years to now is gonna be a forgotten era for obvious reasons. And this is why…Velma is why.

[@patrickmcguire7896]

Yes it try’s to be “diverse” and “progressive” but it completely fails just like everything else that try’s the same thing!

[@AJTalon]

Seriously, sooo many people went insane when he was elected that by this point, it's not funny-It's just sad. It's an election, not the end of the world.

[@donian544]

Honestly high gaurdian spice is a godsend compare to this...thing at least it was hilariously bad velma is insulting in everyway. Plus high guardian spice was at least....some what an original product and not mooching off an existing ip.

[@hibikiholmes2867]

@@donian544 That last bit I am hesitant to agree with because that series heavily relied on the viewer's knowledge of other magical-girl-like shows such as Winx Club and Little Witch Academia. And it failed to capture and understand the charm of both.

[@yotuba9493]

@@hibikiholmes2867 omg I forgot about Winx club, shit was God tier

[@marcusjones3961]

That Chris Hansen edit was superb 👌

[@LeoA05]

Yup I was super confused about the age part of it as well. That was the 1st comment I made seeing some of those "naked" scenes saying "Aren't these characters still minors? Someone approved of this?" I tried giving the series a shot, don't think I'm gonna finish it.

[@stardust948.]

Way to take one for the team. We appreciate it.

[@stutania]

Thank you for delving into the madness

[@moxxiedemongamer3019]

3:10 that maybe it's only saving grace of Frank Welker voicing Fred's Dad in this Velma Series but it's Just NOT the same without him voicing Fred or Scooby-Doo

[@meagancrowley5197]

Probably the worst thing- I mean, everything is terrible, but one really basic thing that I really don't understand, is that Velma isn't actually smart at all? Like you said she doesn't ask any questions or look at clues. This is bizarre

[@rawreviews4733]

Nobody disrespects their own properties like Warner Bros, smh

[@leonielson7138]

How much do you want to bet that Velma's treatment of Norville is the reason he starts doing drugs and picks up the nickname of Shaggy?

[@MS7000_]

This is why I tell people not to Hate Watch. This show is an utter disgrace to animation , to Scooby-Doo , to Hanna Barbera , to fans and to anyone with eyes and ears.

[@TheHuYao]

Daphne was not dumb, I remember her being really sweet and smart actually

[@nananamamana3591]

So... one thing I like about the trailers that serves as a very damning thing to Velma as presented in this show is that *SHE* claims that all of this, is *HER* story. Told from *HER* point of view, in *HER* way, as *SHE* sees it. So. It's entirely possible that everything we've seen, every terrible characterization, every extremely inappropriate sexualization of a minor, is *ALL* how *VELMA* interpreted the events going on. It's possible, in fact, that Shaggy 'Norville' isn't a simp willing to sell his organs to fuck her, that Daphne isn't a borderline-psychotic drug dealer slut, and that Fred isn't an insecure trainwreck -- this is just how *VELMA* sees *ALLLLL* of her friends, and of course, herself. It's like... that framing device was used as a way to turn this into a women's empowerment thing. But... nobody considered that by portraying all these characters in this way, and the story is being told from the POV of Velma, the portrayals of all these characters is how Velma sees them. Which means its VELMA marginalizing all these people and reducing them to these charactures. Our hero, ladies, gentlemen and anyone and everyone else.

[@VAMPIREBEATZ2000]

Velma and any other bad modern cartoons is the reason why I like anime, sure some anime is bad but it's not that bad like modern cartoons tho

[@Aego384]

I'm not much into anime, but I really respect it.

[@animezilla4486]

Despite what you say not all modern cartoons are bad as you think they are we got shows like inside job and Dead park there are not only modern but well received the problem is good shows like those I mentioned are getting cancelled because of money or not enough people are watching them

[@josebutereselreal]

@@animezilla4486 Inside job: 💀

[@klonoafan2012]

Anime is trash

[@Nakia11798]

Try kids cartoons. There are lots of good ones.

[@mperlatti]

I drove past a turd on the road today… Did the same with Velma 😮

[@vagrant2863]

Velma after live-action She-Hulk? It's like a macabre ritual sacrifice of comedy itself.

[@_Bo_Stardust_]

My boy Fred does NOT deserve this 😭😭😭

[@ronbutler3431]

Imagine that HBO Max greenlit Mindy Kaling's original proposal, without the Scooby-Doo skin suit. Would it have been any better? Nope.

[@Razer5542]

The disrespect towards pancakes is the final straw.. Screw this pile of garbage.

[@pigglypoof]

It’s like they saw Santa Inc and said that they can out cringe it

[@steverempel8584]

I love how you said that the only thing this show has in common with Scooby doo is the clothing! The problem here, as far as I see it, is that they made a brand new show, and are just using the Scooby Doo IP to sell it.

[@HighHeelKnight]

If Fred's father thinks pancakes are for children, then he has no idea about Dwayne Johnson's cheat meals. 🤷🥞🏋

[@VileGlory]

I guess he's too rich to know about IHOP or Denny's.

[@HighHeelKnight]

@@VileGlory Probably 🤔