Golf-it - Polygamy Problems

[@DeviousGames]

I'm really glad you guys just talk about whatever you find interesting , you're awesome don't stop.

[@shaunkelly9883]

Devious Games I was thinking the exact same thing!

[@IamGeekIncarnate]

Agreed. I love how candid it is

[@Mr44nico44]

They should make a podcast and talk about shit in there, I just want to see them play a game and not be stationary like 90% out of the time.

[@TROONTRON]

@@Mr44nico44 They could call it HatChat

[@Mr44nico44]

@@TROONTRON what a great idea, they should totally do this.

[@brandondraheim3149]

Spurious pseudoscience with HatFilms

[@tophemuffin]

Honestly the best, bring bak trials

[@nathanpennetta523]

Particularly this episode, with plenty of sweeping assumptions and generalisations. An absolute gem.

[@gummybread]

My favorite part of the golf is when smith just doesn’t pay attention and keeps failing at the exact same hit then just stops playing but the cam focuses on his ball

[@aaron_905]

Wait you watch this for the gameplay?

[@nanda12345ful]

@@aaron_905 I do

[@gummybread]

I'd like at least some illusion it wasnt just a podcast, same with gta. Theres barely any talking about gta in it, but its still being played. Not a 4 minute gap of them waiting for smith to time out a track

[@lunahula]

Wait peoples comedy reflects their real life? *looks at Smith in horror*

[@pemo2676]

In old minecraft, he would blow shit up and set things on fire; In real life, he blows stuff up (remembering the time Simon blew up his hand) and sets things on fire

[@Shiroar]

He’s an honourable man. He pays the kids after all.

[@jamesbazely5487]

I’m in a polygamous marriage with Chris Trott clone numbers 12, 15 & 16 and I’m having a GREAT time!

[@GrouchyGander]

But if we start accepting Polyamory and Polygamy as a norm, what will happen with all those teen angst, love triangle movies?

[@Mailb0x1]

Asking the real questions.

[@divryne1550]

Where do you think orgy porn comes from

[@enjohneering9673]

You think getting rejected by a single person is bad? Now imagine it's the entire group and you're not invited. People seem to forget how social systems work.

[@kingkuma4112]

Hey, I mean on the positive side, it does create a solution for love triangles!

[@jamespilley7832]

My parents overheard this video and thought I was watching some proper intellectual shit 😂

[@XXneatfreakXX]

I mean it pretty much is that

[@GaleGuardians]

awteserhrst5h4r asdvavsrfaSfdds that’s what I see it as too

[@alec4536]

@awteserhrst5h4r asdvavsrfaSfdds They're not saying what they think is fact. I'd say it is intellectual in the sense that they are taking all of their knowledge and making rational connections, while retaining an open mind, which tbh, seems like an unusual thing these days.

[@Shanemain1991]

@awteserhrst5h4r asdvavsrfaSfdds how often do you get laid? I'm guessing now much.

[@Trivelius97]

@@Shanemain1991 cringe comment by a nine year old

[@basil3663]

I find it interesting that Smith seems to be the one more likely both to voice a more nuanced perspective, and to generalize. I really enjoy these socio-philosophical talks you guys get into once in a while. It's a very laid back way to start thinking about these subjects. PS: Speaking from experience, there are PLENTY of assholes in Scandinavia.

[@SaffronWitch]

I believe it has something to do with the fact that a person who has developed a naunced perspective has also seen a lot more things. It's easier to generalise, for example, Metal bands if you've heard 300-400 metal bands than it would be if you'd heard 5 or 6 and you're more likely to have heard more metal if you're a big fan of metal with a more nuanced perspective of metal music.

[@TROONTRON]

Of course there are. It's however a generalisation where Scandinavians are compared with other people around the world. Only place in the world where there are less assholes per capita may be in New Zealand. There are also big differences in the countries in Scandinavia. List of least assholes to most is in this order: Iceland

[@Saiko1Mania]

I suspect it's partly because Smith has begrudgingly donned the aegis of the salty asshole of the trio to some extent, meaning he's quite happy to voice opinions which might be seen as more controversial, whilst the other two try to play more to the consensus. That, and I think Smith just tends towards speculation and deep thought a little more than the other two.

[@lilandmestudios]

@@TROONTRON The asshole/capita is no different to any other place in the world. Where you find people, you find assholes.

[@zanderberry2379]

Philosophy and interesting topics = perfect golf it video

[@ARianNA669]

Is this the new Trials?

[@Lionlord1000]

smith thinks liberterianism is a fusion of capitalism and socialism... i do like it when the boiks discuss philosophi or politics but sometimes i really wish they knew what they were talking about.

[@natalyst]

i'm not sure that's what he meant when he mentioned it, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was

[@Fuzzthefurr]

They're playing a fucking golf game, how the fuck did we get here.

[@KarstenOkk]

I very much doubt he really knows the general Marxist definition of socialism. Co-operatives currently functioning in society are effectively socialism, and they work very well. They would work even better if politicians actually helped them to exist more, which is exactly what Corbyn is trying to do. Most pro-capitalist's definitions of capitalism are actually the Marxist definition of socialism, by the way. "If your work is twice as good, you should earn twice as much" is not capitalism, that's socialism. It is democracy in the workplace, not everyone earning the same amount.

[@HoneyBadgerofDeath]

@@KarstenOkk You have literally no idea what you're talking about lmfao

[@FishMr3]

Karsten socialism is fundamentally the ideals of "from each according to his ability to each according to his needs" and the idea that the means of production belong to the workers, not individuals. Everyone gets what they need to live a good life and everyone works for the betterment of themselves and others. It is no where close to "work twice as hard, get twice as much", and there is no pro-capitalist definition of capitalism, a system that at it's base requires inequality, that comes anywhere close to socialism. Either way, I hope we can both agree that Smith was wrong about libertarians, as they're literally about as far from socialism as you can get.

[@PoisonShuriken]

On the whole "indigenous tribes are polygamous", this isn't a good thing, for a pretty simple reason. They already have very small populations, so having a system where it's hard to tell who is related to who is actually very bad for their genetic health, since this increases the probability of incest. Admittedly, this becomes less of a problem with larger population sizes, but still. There are a couple other reasons why monogamy is a good thing, too, which others have mentioned. Things like long term stability, etc. I haven't seen any mention of the fact that children raised in homes with stable parent relationships generally do better in life, either, so that's also something to keep in mind.

[@MrArchoir]

There is societal pressure yes but that doesn't mean everyone is secretly polyamourus. I wouldn't want my partner to be with anyone else.

[@Saiko1Mania]

Archoir Socetial pressure forms your desires though. The point isn't that everyone is secretly polyamorous or that everyone would be in the absence of social pressure, but that the collective consensus directs people's development in certain ways such that SOME people who might have become polyamorous were instead nudged towards monogamy. You might never develop towards polyamory, but that doesn't mean others wouldn't were there less pressure towards the status quo. Edit: Polyamory, not polygamy

[@willwebb299]

I've been in a polyamorous relationship, and let me tell you, it's not easy. In retrospect, I got into the relationship for the wrong reasons, but if you think it's easier because there's no pressures not to cheat or whatever (of course depending on the type of polyamory you're in), think again. It's literally being in a relationship with two people. Being with one is hard enough, let alone two. So if you think you'd like to try a polyamorous relationship, go ahead, but it's not a cure-all, it won't stop jealousy, it won't stop the hardships of any relationship. I really believe humans can fall in love with multiple people, but that doesn't mean we know how to love multiple people

[@luukas2660]

8.24 you know what the definition of insanity is? Doing the same thing over and over expecting shit to change.

[@JoeSmith-pp6uy]

IM SO EXCITED FOR A SHOP TRYING TO SELL ME SOMETHING!

[@Mauradin98]

Monogamy existed far before it became political, because Monogamous couples were more likely to have more children, due to having less STIs. Britain is a good case case study because due to rampant Super Chlamydia, they have the highest rates of adult infertility in the modern world.

[@Saiko1Mania]

Andrew Walker Trott was talking about marriage, really, not just monogamy. Marriage is a political institution originating in the noble classes, monogamy (even if not life-long) has been around for quite a while.

[@Riku-Leela]

Personally I have struggled with depression but it was over real life relationship issues but using social media or media sites like KZbin or browsing Facebook has helped me through it as it has given me an outlet to find people who can relate or just to find things to help me feel happy and relaxed, aka you guys as its like having an Internet family as it feels really familiar and comfortable to sit down and watch Yogs or you guys as its like a Lil family..

[@matthewwalsh5667]

I'm quite genuinely in a polyamorous relationship (unfortunately not with the hat films boys) and it feels pretty easy and natural to me actually. Requires more communication and honesty but takes so much societal pressure off of you that you don't even realise you're being bogged down with.

[@guychupat3927]

Not sure where Trott is getting some of this information. Monogamy is no more of a social construction than polygamy. Monogamy, polygamy and polyandry are found throughout the animal kingdom as well as human cultures. With polyandry seeming to be the rarest. Also, let's not confuse polyamory with polygamy. As you said, marriage for love is a fairly modern concept. Marriage in general is fairly modern. That does not mean, however, that pairing human couples is somehow unnatural. Those tribes you mentioned, were more likely polygamist, than polyamorous. But even so, even monogamous cultures have this concept of shared child rearing. The family and extended family all tend to pitch in to help with everyones children. They often have a much greater emphasis on family in less developed cultures. As they develop, they tend to stop focusing so much on the family unit, except maybe your immediate family.

[@lekr99]

honestly, i wish more people would be able to have a discussion like you guys do. its refreshing to have people listen to other arguments and opinions and not just counter with their own, but actually think about what the other person is saying. I like discussions like that. i like you guys.

[@natalyst]

Leon Krieger it’s good when both sides has their points genuinely considered

[@Zw285]

I think it's mostly to right to say that things like the institution of marriage social constructs. But I also think that you need to be careful about claiming that that's **ALL** they are. Biological factors and general human nature, (IE: who and what we are as creatures/animals/mammals.) Need to be taken into account. And I do **NOT** believe that the human species is by default, polyamorous/non-monogamous.

[@adamhaycock7982]

The stuff with Louis CK, the problem was was that he did ask consent but he was obviously in a massive position of authority of these 2 women as they were kind of just doing the comedy club circuit and he’s a massive figure and they’d said he could thinking it was a joke

[@pokemonteaml]

I like how golf it basically took the place of trials when it comes to hat films talking about serious and interesting topica

[@Kedigori]

I flipping love these videos where you all just muse together about interesting topics you've previously pondered. Funny how it is still done in the form of a game-play video, even though it could just as easily be a three person vlog or some kind of podcast and retain the primary point of interest. Honestly, you don't really need your medium to be interesting. I love the polish of your big projects, and the game-play videos are fun too, but damned if I don't(didn't) click on your "Trials", "Golf It", or "GTA Playlist" videos the very moment I see them, dropping everything to listen. Great channel, boys. Keep it up.

[@Negative600]

"I'm actually not that fond of Hugh Jackman" You do realize that you have just declared war on Australia...

[@tomsharp6986]

Monogamy was also practiced before Christians as people noticed there was less STI's when they paired up

[@Blockshredders]

I hope when Ewan McGregor pulled up to pick up the hitchhikers he wound down the window and said "Hello there" with them replying "General Kenobi".

[@LCFCKris]

Great discussions guys! I like how you are open to discuss these topics and not numbingly just focusing on gameplay.

[@LukeGoetz]

Smith, I'm very much a fan of your philosophies. Your understanding of society/societal norms always catches my attention.

[@Goblet31]

Damn, how i love these sort of conversations about society and topical subjects. It's awesome seeing how each of them think differently! Love you Guys!

[@CarterArts]

Lads you NEED to just bring back hat chat as your main content. Listening to you guys talk, rant, debate and come to agreements on all these topics is absolutely fantastic. Just stream it as a podcast with gameplay in the background

[@iammadeoflego]

From around 9 minutes to 11 minutes, Smith, i feel you and bear what you are saying, i was once told by a biology teacher that life is unavoidable no matter what but we have come through, life adapting, overcoming, evolving and learning through many generations of purposeful reproduction with people from anywhere, in any place under any belief for constraint, but we need stay humble and remember that human nature greatly relies on survival of the fittest, and eventually fight or flight mentality....

[@homejunk55]

The fact this is pretty much a podcast is super interesting and great to watch, plus the fact it's over golf not too shaby either !!

[@samc3926]

I’ve been watching these lads for 7 years the week of my birthday omg thats 6 years and 51 weeks. mad

[@the_enderslayer]

I love the weird but surprisingly actually insightful conversations that come from these golf videos.

[@AshLilburne]

Sometimes this world is the scariest place I couldve ever imagined in this, well yeah, world.. Just hearing somebody else say my thoughts out loud is more powerful than any medication or psychology appointments. x

[@lazybriefcase4984]

Love the existential and economic discussions boiks. I've completely stayed away from social media, and not comparing myself to the happiest moments of everyone else's lives has made me a much happier person. I would encourage anyone who does use social media and is feeling depressed or downtrodden to just take a walk. Leave you're computer, put down your phone, and go outside for a bit.

[@NOLNV1]

Smith needs to embrace daddy Marx

[@Blackrain7070]

I love this "basically a podcast with gaming in the background" setup, it's so nice

[@gregorywhatley9659]

These are some of my favourite kinds of videos of yours where you just discuss really deep and quite controversial topics that really make us think I think a huge part of what makes rich people "assholes" is not really having any goals to work towards. I watch your videos for example, and I think to myself, one day I want to achieve what you have career wise (in terms of job satisfaction) but also linguistically and in terms of knowledge, sociability and sense of humour what you guys have, and it's important to see that change coming about. What does a rich asshole look to achieve? Like you said, they have everything, and need to be taught how to be a respectable human being to people that have left

[@Force2reckonVods]

There *are* a lot of people who use polyamory/polygamy as an excuse to be with someone else. However I also know several polygamous relationships, including my own, that are quite happy. Hell I'm happier than I've ever been with just one partner. There are still problems, sure, but it's better for me.

[@citzby5419]

Monogamy might be a social construct, but even if it was that wouldn't automatically invalidate it. Monogamous cultures are more stable than polygamous cultures because polygamy benefits a few desirable people and disadvantages a lot of less desirable people - it's a social structure which is easier to understand, keep track of and maintain over a long period of time, and behaviours which can be repeated without dire consequences for long periods of time are the behaviours which end up surviving millennia.

[@KarstenOkk]

The fact that largely monogamous societies are more stable than polygamous societies cannot be reliable tied to the fact that they are polygamous or monogamous. If that were the case, you can make similar spurious claims as were made in the 19th century about white people being the superior race because they were heading the most successful countries. Perhaps monogamous societies are more stable because they, by chance, were the ones that were in the position to destabilize a lot of those polygamous societies.

[@raquetdude]

monogamy is not a social construct you can tell if a species is by the average size of their testicles (weird ik) but monogamous cultures are definitely more likely to be more stable than one which is not there are even several articles on it how it is holding Africa back etc but that is all still debatable

[@raquetdude]

Karsten genetically they are proven to be more stable as polyamorous relationships lead to higher STDs or STIs. Any society in which there is a large proportion of interbreeding will result in there being greater infections and diseases. The 19th-century claim is purely racist and has no real merit to it. Ain't sure what your idea on it is by your last point being contrasting.

[@jasonschuler2256]

@panddda boi, mmm yes, there are "articles" saying this. I totally believe that... /s But in seriousness, your usage of phrases like "100% definite" or "genetically proven" are very concerning. Nothing is ever 100% definite in science, and in genetics especially there is still a _vast_ amount of uncertainty. Your pseudo-scientific ramblings are even worse than the boiks, and not in a good way.

[@raquetdude]

@@jasonschuler2256 yeah tbf the 100% bit was a bit strong, but scientifically it is proven that if you have a sex a lot with multiple people you will have a higher chance of contacting a sti/std rather than if you have a single partner

[@Phagocytosis]

Quite curious about Smith's views of socialism now.

[@monke9469]

i love listening to people talk about real topics such as polygamy but im not a fan of podcasts as i enjoy watching something whilst listening, so i love these videos you guys make

[@MrFancyChicken]

Smith somehow managed to keep the oddest conversation alive and even related it to louis ck

[@jeremynolan9547]

I don't watch for the golf, I listen for the podcast in every game

[@TechnoGhosty]

episodes like these make me really want hat chat back.

[@DjDolHaus86]

The reason for rising numbers of mental health cases is simply down to better diagnostic knowledge. You can go to the doctors and get diagnosed with depression fairly painlessly now whereas even 20 years ago they wouldn't take you seriously until you were found at the end of a rope and even then you'd have to see specialist psychologist. Social media certainly doesn't help some conditions but it does others, one person with anxiety might find it terrifying to see all the stimulus but another persons anxiety might be alleviated by the prospect of semi-anonymous communication. Mental health is a vast and varied subject so sweeping statements are best avoided

[@lawrenceklingsheim1659]

Smith: "Hmmm, that didn't work. Let me do literally the same thing over and over again."

[@KamitsureKaine]

The edited thumbnail of Trott is from a series called Nyan Koi! for those that care about such things.

[@kyebaker4549]

Really enjoyed the chat in this episode

[@XxkristybellxX]

I now support you both on KZbin and patreon, because I am a mid 20s adult with disposable income! 🤩

[@cloudsora]

I really love these intellectual hatchats... wait what do you mean there was a game?

[@TheOdd]

Smith playing Devil's advocact is my favourite.

[@LuckOverDose]

I thoroughly enjoyed this video. It's nice to just hear you guys debate different ideas

[@ff-pj3de]

The thing with the penis scraping out the semen: It's called sperm competition. Occurs generally when inter-sex competition (generally male-on-male competition) is reduced in a species because of a variety of reasons. It is not that definitively observed in humans, but it can easily be observed in e.g. chimpanzees and zebras. The reason chimps have giant testicles or why zebras ejaculated a figurative gallon is a result of evolution selecting for sperm competetiveness.

[@Bumle88]

Don't stop the grind, i'm looking out for that 1 mil video.

[@Lazernip]

I fucking love these types of videos from you guys! They force me to think and look at what i perceive of the world some loads of different perspectives... Keep it up pls

[@johnlandon8741]

I'm quite glad someone will talk about this, even if it is hat films but the way of seeing this is quite something.

[@tarahowell1955]

I learnt more in this video than any humanities lesson at school ever

[@theathras4816]

love me some Hat Films talk shows with some consistent golf in the background.

[@oflippert]

What does Smith mutter under his breath around 12:00? I can't make it out...

[@gravnine]

more videos like this, please! I love listening to your guys' thoughts, it's really insightful.

[@GendoPrime]

Wow, this conversation on polygamy really hits close to home.

[@kaaghalaa]

Comment section: *puts on glasses* Actually I'm an expert on this because I read about it one time, and all of you are so wrong it's funny. You people are the reason people veer away from discussion.

[@richardking5971]

Marriage is not a social construction. The idea that it is, is one. People were monogamous before Christianity. Almost all human cultures have monogamous for 5000+ years. Native Americans were Monogamous even though they were separated from Asia thousands of years ago when the ice bridge between Asia and North America disappeared. This is complete and utter revisionist history.

[@kaaghalaa]

Simple research will show you instances of polygamous cultures...

[@rohanhope4287]

yeah that was pretty poor thinking from the boys

[@richardking5971]

@@kaaghalaa Many cultures where women have limited rights, because poly cultures benefit men overwhelmingly.

[@TheMelter101]

smith it is absolutely right to impose the 'norm' of a society on everyone. it is based on years and years of experience what is not normal and coming to the conclusion by the many that these things can be harmful if consider part of the 'norm'. if you allow anything to be considered normal, can you not imagine the state we would all be in...

[@tobyv1.643]

Yay, three cool people who talk sense and also get confused by peoples excitement over adverts coming out

[@NuernbergLP]

Really enjoyed this video, thank you Hat Films!

[@Baccy3333]

The talk about marriage / ownership is very similar to the debates in Anthropology !

[@IstasPumaNevada]

The thing that was _most_ problematic about what Louis C.K. did, was that he was in a position of influence and professional power over them at the time. Because he did ask them if he could, and they could have left or said no before he did, and under normal circumstances it would've been weird and creepy (under current norms) but not _as_ big a deal. The biggest problem was the professional relationship involved; there was an employment-related pressure for them to stay there and watch, even if they didn't want to, and therefore it was wrong to even ask them to. I love the way Smith thinks. It's always good to hear what's going on in that head of his.

[@TheVertigo007]

I'm love how into debates Smith gets. Playing a game for entertainment for people on the internet? Fuck em, I'll let my ball sit here for two minutes and talk about what I want to talk about! Love you guys, keep it up.

[@wragle]

Enjoyed all 31 minutes of this, keep up the good work

[@Electricut]

I love that Golf-it has become the new Trials.

[@firstlast-wg2on]

I was listening to the Hatchat at work today and Alex told the exact same story about Ewan McGregor in that too! Talk about Deja Vu...

[@luffeinator2654]

Does anyone know what the show/documentary about the rich guy, is called?

[@haydentankersley524]

I very thoroughly enjoyed this, very chill.

[@jamwisethebrave]

These golf games i actually find pretty visually boring, but its nice that you guys never fail to talk about some interesting stuff

[@awesomeaartvark]

Such a nice chill video for a Sunday, and interesting topics today too! I found the comments pretty interesting to read too! Thanks for the chill vid today, twas a good one

[@domhnallobraonain6745]

The benefit that I see to monogamy is that you can keep track of genealogy more easily and therefore make accidental inbreeding much less likely.

[@KFP_Prophet]

Came for the thumbnail, stayed for the conversation. And for the Trotty Harem.

[@em_birch]

The cool thing about feeling inferior to other people ALL the time is that I can't get envious of others due to social media. And I used to think I'd like a poly relationship, but I feel like I'd be too...jealous. But I'm not entirely opposed to being in an open relationship (again, the inferiority complex plays a role in this). It'd be better than nothing at this point.

[@timmystwin]

The view on Monogamy isn't quite right iirc. We share one particular hormone with several other mammals, some as far removed as types of doormice. That hormone is *only* found in mammals that pair off with someone and stay with them for a while. And we have it. Not forever mind, but for a long time.

[@Retog]

These discussions are amazing. More of these please!

[@evaahh9584]

What does he say at 12:01?

[@Scratch83]

Can you guys bring out a podcast on iTunes or something where you just talk about all this stuff

[@bassguy0076]

TFW 3 guys playing golf on the internet learn you more about life than 6 years of high school

[@Dwarf4531]

Just thought I’d drop this in case anyone was curious about polyamory. I’m polyamarous and have had 3 partners simultaneously, 2 of which were also seeing each other. People don’t actually seem to give a shit, most people just say it’s not for them but good for you sort of thing. People are generally too busy with their own stuff to care too much. Aside family members who are like ‘Huuuuhhhhh?!??!!’

[@louispenn9253]

10:32 Is that some cheeky dog fighting I hear in the background? where was my invite, boiks!?

[@DarkBraveDylan]

7:44 WTF PRO MLG !!! BEERRP BERRP BERRP BERRRRRP!!! * Airhorn*

[@dlotte2050]

I found it funny how topical the subject of polygamy has become as a whole. It's up there when it comes to quandaries as to the ethical/societal acceptance of a chosen method for marital relations, and whether or not these traditions will evolve to something new or fizzle out altogether like other such age old practices. P.S. Trott's harem is just one giant hospital roleplay with hundreds of clones of Doctor Ross and Patient Smith ;D

[@pollertry4003]

If monogamy is a social construct then why has it been observed in so many other species?

[@tinglydingle]

Social structures aren't unique to humans

[@RufusOmega]

It has been observed in some other species, not so many. Most species are not monogamous. Counter question: If monogamy isn't a social construct then why do so many people cheat on their partners?

[@BalthorYT]

@@sliver170 A social construct is a habit, idea, tradition, you name it, that doesn't come from natural impulses or evolution, but rather from social norms established and enforced for arbitrary reasons. It's generally considered bad, as it forces changes that are usually not beneficial unto people from a very early age, but there are some social constructs that have a positive impact in our life as a species

[@Davidofsmeg]

My best friend is in a polyamorous relationship and it's an odd one to see from the outside but as long as she's happy and they're happy it's all good. Love strikes in many ways I guess.

[@BIGDTFC]

@hat films louis ck actually did get concent that was the funny part

[@RedTree_6767]

Is my hat the next color yet?

[@Retog]

12:00 did he say “sex with Radders”???

[@WhizXGames]

can we get a tower unite golf sesh? would love to see trout gamble away all his money

[@qrk2313]

i love how the thumbnail is nyan koi

[@MAZZYR6]

I’m Alex Smith and this is my TED Talk

[@sir_parky]

fuck, I love it when they discuss shit like this