Have Luffy & Kizaru Ended The Yonko vs Admiral Debate?

[@Warlord-dc5un]

It's really hard to fully compare Luffy vs Kizaru and Luffy vs Kaido because of a few factors... First factor should be very obvious that both Luffy and Kizaru weren't trying to outright go for the neck against each other, Luffy literally says to Kizaru that he plans to simply keep Kizaru busy while Kizaru is trying to escape. Neither one is trying to have an actual fight and we only get a glimpse of Luffy being somewhat serious when he realizes that his G5 is about to run out... The second reason for why we can't properly compare the two is because Kizaru is a completely different combatant than Kaido, Kizaru is a speedster with seemingly many tricky abilities that can be good for distractions or stalling like the light clones *but* Kaido if anything is the opposite he's a tank that loves to get himself bloody and dirty in a fight unlike Kizaru. Kaido will purposely take damage just for the sake of it as shown that later in the fight with Luffy once he's drunk he shows that the entire time he had future sight and could've avoided majority of the attacks he previously took, Kaido takes the hits and delivers them back even harder, Luffy needed an Island size Advanced conquerors coating attack to finally put Kaido down. Unlike the Luffy vs Kizaru fight Luffy's goal was to take down Kaido not stall for his crew to escape... Overall despite how frustrating the Luffy vs Kizaru fight is for me because of the unclear nature of it where we barely see Luffy even use conquerors and that neither combatant is taking the fight seriously I'd say it's obviously established that Yonko and Admiral are of the same level... The strongest of the marines and the strongest of the pirates are relative to one another...

[@Xenonital]

I agree with this, one thing i will say though. Kizaru is relative to both kaido and luffy, due to my own agendas i think kaido is the strongest out of those three then kizaru then luffy because of g5's time limit. Base luffy was damaging hybrid kaido, and so was snake man punishing kaido. Having said that, kizaru oblierated a stronger gear 4 snake man. And the first clash between the two, luffy sends a ACoC kick, which kizaru blocks with ease. While acoc punches from luffy was messing up kaido.

[@Khayism]

@@Xenonitalthe difference between the 2 fights is that base luffy used acoc mixed with internal destruction and emission to harm kaido which he didn’t do against kizaru. We can definitely see how much luffy is holding back against kizaru and he’s still able to overpower kizaru and show he’s stronger and its even stated in his vivre card he was “more than evenly matched or better”

[@Xenonital]

@@Khayism luffy used acoc atleast twice, the base kick and the last g5 kick. But yeah thats true, but the thing is kizaru didnt use zero haki in that fight.

[@burtkocain6846]

Yonko are greater than admirals, come on people. Shanks wifi-diffed Green Bull, GB stated he'd never come to Wano during Kaido's reign, and one ACoC coated G5 hit from Liffy TKO'd Kizaru. Big Mom's flashback also heavily suggests that Fleet Admirals are beyond admirals, and also implied that Yonko are relative to FA's. Sakazuki, Sengoku, and Kong (and Kuzan and Garp) are the only Marines who should have a chance of defeating an emperor.

[@cartermarrero9431]

Ik this whole debate is so dumb, there’s no examples of admirals being stronger than yonkos but there are tons of yonkos being stronger than admirals. Also it’s just heavily implied narratively that they’re stronger.

[@Vaxiious]

How would 1 admiral losing or winning mean admirals are worse or better, all of them are drastically different in strength aside from aokiji and akainu, kizaru wins against bigmom, kaido beats kizaru, eos akainu beats kaido, eos luffy beats eos akainu. There is no better force

[@RoyNewgate]

This is my exact stance from start to finish. Even the matchups lol

[@TraeshawnMitchell]

Why would akainu still be alive or even a marine eos

[@Shark-hn4mv]

Y'all acting like Akainu is growing with Luffy. He's already at his peak. No version of him is beating Kaido.

[@TraeshawnMitchell]

@@Shark-hn4mv akainu has no reason to get stronger from a plot perspective he’s strong enough already

[@green-legacy]

what the heck is akainu doing against kaidos dragon form?

[@Dbonesburneraccount]

I’m pretty sure Oda is telling us all 4 yonko&all 4 admirals(including fleet admiral) are relative in strength. One side can’t just embarrass the other, it’ll always be a high diff situation&ambiguous especially in a situation like Luffy vs Kizaru.

[@Greg12839]

Some people still fail to understand something so very simple

[@gsphil414]

Idk man power cliff makes it very obvious the admiral corresponding to someone like shanks or eos bb and luffy would very easily mid diff bm.

[@mrbubbles6468]

I mean yeah. There was an entire arc dedicated to the fact that Yonkos are on roughly equal level to marines and that fighting is high diff and wrecks both of them. And the WG rarely wants to have those clashes. And it’s all but stated that 2 Yonko beat the WG.

[@jeremiahtannehill8870]

Shanks left the chat

[@nosaidemudia7020]

​@@mrbubbles6468but wb low diffed Sakazuki

[@ItZChamseejjj]

To be fair, Kaido did send Luffy flying multiple times even in G5.

[@zagessj]

For sure but it was still an even fight tho

[@gsphil414]

@@zagessj kizaru and luffy were both playing around and kizaru knew eventually luffy would run out of time in the form so he would end up completing his mission. The thing is tho Luffy was trying to stop kizaru from any further action with that final punch, knocking him out. If kizaru isn’t knocked out then he is likely at luffys level currently or slightly above . Only kizaru being straight up knocked out would put him below luffy. Kizaru doesn’t really want to kill vegapunk so he’s not really going all out against luffy he’s kind of fighting brain dead not using his sword the whole fight , luffy knows this to an extent so neither are serious.

[@Shubham-hr5uw]

@@zagessj that is advantage for kizaru , every time he runs away, if he fight luffy 1v1 , he will get bodied. think what happn if kaido run here and there killing straw hats, in this way kaido will killed evry straw hats.

[@stevenwhite1729]

@@gsphil414 it took one punch to clear kizaru out of the fight..... maybe i'm just seeing the fight differently

[@gsphil414]

@@stevenwhite1729 I think this fight is overall weird and I really haven’t changed my stand point since making that comment the scaling is odd to put it that way, but here’s the problem we know for sure that Luffy intended on completing his mission (stopping kizaru ) with that final punch. This final punch has temporality immobilized kizaru but kizaur is still conscious , there are a lot of outside factors influencing how strong we view characters and because of that if we’re gonna “scale” it’s going to be based off either what you think or facts or both the facts are luffy tried to accomplish his mission currently by kizaru’s statement he will be up in a bit meaning luffy did not accomplish his mission and kizaru will have a chance to complete his (killing vegapunk ) we will see when luffy gets up tho how long it takes him.

[@arcadejester8543]

1 they did not go all out. 2 kaido is still way stronger than kizaru. He got the 1v1 long after fighting 19 other fighters + holding an island. While also trolling by getting drunk. Kizaru is running away from the fade.

[@slimmy478-6]

Literally no proof of Acoc being used yet every time there is lightning people say its Acoc when the same is the case is with Advanced arnament haki.

[@jikey173]

Average w. I am one to believe that neither the admrials or the yonko are just outright stronger than the other faction, rather just equals/around the same level. I believe this fight illustrated that for me, since I think luffy vs kizaru was pretty equal and I def think if it was a bloodlusted fight, it would be high - extreme or extreme diff either way. I don’t get why people think kizaru is knocked out or dead though

[@Kuz3nB0wl]

IDK if we should consider Luffy vs Kizaru an actually figth, their main focus was Vegapunk, we see a lot of times Kirazu just directly ignoring Luffy, and Luffy juts keeping Kizaru busy. Ist not comparable of the likes of Luffy vs Kaido or katakury were both individuals only care about defeating each other.

[@cartermarrero9431]

I think the whole admiral vs yonko debate is dumb. It’s very obvious that yonko are narratively above admiral. Marineford had multiple admirals fighting against 1 sick yonko. Shanks scared green bull with conquerors haki from miles away. And now kizaru getting blitz by luffy. I don’t see any world where an admiral beats a yonko it’s actually such a delusional debate like there’s no examples of yonko losing to an admiral yet there are tons of examples of the contrary and people are always coping or making excuses for why admirals are stronger.😂

[@drakebrothers9757]

i felt like the reason kaido was effected more by his toon powers was the shock of not knowing what the hell he was fighting and kizaru was told about him beforehand but idk for sure

[@zagessj]

We don’t know if Kizaru was told about Gear 5 abilities. The reason he knows the form is because Gear 5 is the picture of Luffy’s new wanted poster.

[@brycenb2994]

Also. Why would you need to know about a devil fruit ability to just haki through the attack. Didn’t law just haki out of a literal gender swap and there was zero evidence it was because he knew about it before hand

[@drakebrothers9757]

@@brycenb2994 sorry I guess it’s less that he knew about it that’s stopping it it’s that he’s just not surprised so it doesn’t happen, that’s more along what I meant but it’s still a little weird

[@Shubham-hr5uw]

kizaru has light light fruit, there is one thing he can do very excellently is running away.

[@JesManVP]

I think the reason it could have been was because of the bear he drank but im ganna be honest it was probably a artistic choice

[@xdrago1051]

Not necessarily. This is the way i interpreted the fight. Luffy reached his limit and Kizaru got knocked out of the fight right that's the conclusion. But how did we reach this state? Well lets look at it. Nowhere did Kizaru land any serious blows even on direct shots. Nothing was causing any seriously lethal injuries and while you could argue his kick that knocked him out did that Luffy stated that it was because of the barrier, an external factor. Kizaru is constantly leaving the fight and ignoring Luffy to try to do his mission causing Luffy to progressively lose more and more stamina despite Kizaru not even fighting him. THATS why Luffy is tired. Kizaru did negligible damage, at best causing Luffy to say his lasers burned him and knocking him far away. It was the fact that he kept stalling the fight out that made Luffy's Gear 5 run out. So now that we know why Luffy is out of the fight lets look at why Kizaru is out of the fight. As you stated yourself Luffy landed 0 clean hits (while Kizaru did) while also not even using adv conq haki, an extremely powerful ability. That is until he hit his white star gun. That was the first punch Luffy truly landed on Kizaru. And despite it being just a singular punch look at the state that it put Kizaru in. Despite it being really the first time he used adv conq haki on Kizaru he is now on the floor unable to get up and needs a couple moments. I gotta repeat this for the people in the back, Luffy effectively one tapped Kizaru. And as much as i know yall dont wanna hear that, that is quite literally what happened. Kizaru wasn't fatigued, Kizaru wasn't off guard, he wasn't sneak attacked, there was nothing you could say to argue Kizaru had worsened defenses at that moment. On the other hand Luffy finally started using his more serious moves, finally started applying his haki to his moves and finally landed a punch. He got one punched and is on the floor. It is night and day when you look at the context, Kizaru and Luffy are not equals. Luffy is solidly above Kizaru. BUT i will note that this isn't all there is to the fight because again Kizaru was holding back so you have to take that into account. He wasn't going all out. If he was then Luffy would've taken a considerable amount of more damage. In the end i think Luffy is solidly above Kizaru and if they both went all out it'd be a high diff fight with Luffy taking the dub.

[@SoyBoy-f9e]

It wasn't a death battle,, Kizaru wasn't interested in fighting Luffy. Kizaru is very strong he knew about Luffy defeating Kaido beforehand and still went in without being scared of Luffy. If Oda is trying to tell us anything it is that admirals are relative in power to a yonko. Not sure where the term yonko lvl has come from when buggy is a yonko lol. In one piece your either strong or your not. Kizaru wanted to go to wano to stop big mom and kaido

[@Spartt204]

Exactly people like to simply make things up when the story indicates things very clearly. idk how these levels came to be when everyone’s damn near featless what happened to the original anime powerscalers it’s sad these days how everyone’s just making shit up without us seeing panels of characters legit showing us their so called strength. 95% of top tiers are damn near featless luffy,kaidou, whitebeard, bigmom still have the best feats within the story they’ve shown a lot more than just a single attack or two 😅

[@Dracule18]

This honestly is not even a fight. It's difficult to scale Kizaru based on this fight. Kizaru is trying to kill Vegapunk and Luffy is trying to save Vegapunk. Neither of them are going all out. Luffy is having to waste a lot of stamina catching up to Kizaru who's constantly running away from him. How are you supposed to hit someone if he's always running away? An all-out fight would be a completely different scenario.

[@alphonsoburnett7622]

Facts .

[@Travis.556]

4:57 Luffy used future sight to dodge those. He even states it himself

[@zagessj]

Luffy was still hit by the TB in 1001 we see him bleed from his head and in the same panel you’re referring he says Kaido’s attack was too fast

[@Travis.556]

@@zagessj true true

[@lowky5698]

@@zagessjthe man specified that even with future sigth it was difficult to escape the blow Travis is rigth

[@lowky5698]

@@zagessjby the way gear 4 luffy ain’t using any future sigth in his figth against kizaru im plus of no acoc and no advance armement comparing this to the one against kaido figth is absolutely ridiculous and even if kizaru is faster than kaido drunk it doesn’t mean that he have the power to hurt him at all if he doesn’t have acoc

[@gsphil414]

@@lowky5698 by this logic luffy would beat kizaru in base while using acoc .

[@saradaharunoofthesharingan1028]

There's no such thing as Admiral/Yonko tier.... There's just Low, Mid and Top tier characters. ALL Admirals are top tier characters because you can't fake your way to Admiral status through "influence". You actually have to be strong to become an Admiral. And ofcourse SOME Yonkos are Top tier(Whitebeard, Kaido, Shanks, Luffy, Blackbeard).

[@mattc4266]

Buggy the only yonko who isn’t

[@saradaharunoofthesharingan1028]

@@mattc4266 and Big Meme

[@mattc4266]

@@saradaharunoofthesharingan1028 definitely a top tier

[@saradaharunoofthesharingan1028]

@@mattc4266 nope

[@mattc4266]

@@saradaharunoofthesharingan1028 yes re read the story if big mom wasn’t a top tier wouldn’t be able to split the sky and fight Kaido for three days

[@zoobiezaa]

lotta cap in this video

[@brycenb2994]

Conquerers haki attacks are typically shown on impact which is why luffy’s initial kick and most recent punch to the head both had thick haki lines. The rest of the fight Luffy hasn’t been able to land a good hit. Also why do we needed to be reminded every time that a character is using acoc?? Oda told and shows that Luffy can use it so there’s really no reason to assume otherwise. Like are we to assume kizaru has been using zero haki this entire fight just cause it hasn’t been explicitly shown?

[@emmanuelmughogho7148]

Because it's a shonen

[@Kingrone1]

that's why i was telling you zage i feel like kadio is still stronger then luffy cause i feel like kadio would've took out kizura with 2 or 3 thunder bagua or his stronger attacks

[@zagessj]

I don’t agree

[@tobiramasenju6290]

Kaido is definitely stronger than luffy dude took him to extreme difficulty while carrying an island and fighting an army of competent fighters.

[@gsphil414]

People act like Luffy vs kizaru is the same luffy Luffy’s haki always improves massively against top tiers only that this time not as much since their isn’t as big of a gap in strength . Luffy also fought multiple times prior etc .

[@Idkimjusprince]

@@gsphil414I’m so happy someone in this comment section other than Zage has a brain

[@Rlzero6266]

Ps kizaru cannot handle kaido final form

[@azuresaiyan9005]

Oda will probably definitively answer this once Luffy vs Akainu fight. To me this fight feels more like a checklist rather than a confirmation. Luffy has fought Warlords, Commanders, and Yonko so it’s only natural he at least get a Admiral matchup before moving on to the Fleet Admiral. And yeah Oda purposely held Kizaru back at the start as he wants to hide Logia Awakening till the time is right. This fight wouldn’t have been the right time as it’s pretty meaningless in the grand scheme. Neither Luffy or Kizaru have beating each other as their main priority and their fight got quickly overshadowed by Saturn’s presence. We’ll get a proper Yonko vs Admiral fight once it’s given the proper attention it deserves.

[@JoJo-mj8wr]

Fllet admiral doesn't seems to mean a superior level given that both Akainu and Aokiji were candidats and that Akainu barely won.

[@azuresaiyan9005]

English or gtfo.

[@JoJo-mj8wr]

For G4 vs Kizaru luffy’s hits seemed to be unable to connect which could explain the lack of black lightning and For G5 vs Kizaru both were out of breath which imply that they were equal and fought seriously for some time.

[@lxfj2128]

Yonko = admiral thats what it shows

[@rtx9430]

You really stand on that false take

[@Naldinho456]

I think thats not how ot should be Admiral ~ yonko

[@rtx9430]

@@Naldinho456 yonko are way stronger than the admiral stop it we are in 2024 and you’re guys stuck to you’re stupid idea again💀

[@Naldinho456]

@@rtx9430 every admiral beats big meme and buggy Wakainu and kuzan beat old beard (kizaru has an argument) Any admiral can out last g5 Wakainu beats shanks Admiral ~yonko us very fair Admirals on top

[@kagelynx]

Kaido, as an individual, was always holding back by fighting everyone while holding up an island. He is the strongest 1v1. Only people confirmed to be stronger than Kaido are prime Newgate, Garp and Rogers

[@Shark-hn4mv]

They're clearly stronger based on clues but it's not "confirmed."

[@rashedujjamanridoy6862]

Kaido wasn't holding Onigashama bro. It was his Devi fruit specialty.

[@kagelynx]

@rashedujjamanridoy6862 Right, because using Devil Fruit's abilities never drain the user's stamina.. 🙄😒

[@Spartt204]

⁠@@kagelynxidk why these fools even speak it’s as if they didn’t watch wanna and the fact that when kaidou started over exerting himself he started losing control of the flame clouds 😂 Idk how people can say with a straight face that your stamina is interconnected with your df Luffy is literally a prime example of that very notion. it amazes me how clueless some folks are 😂😂

[@Isis-wisdom]

No they have not, until we see next chapter you can't say otherwise, plus highly doubt Kizaru is done

[@zagessj]

I don’t think Kizaru is knocked out/defeated but this fight does seem to be over in my opinion

[@tawchaentertainment1488]

Their both holding back but Luffy is looking way more impressive than Kizaru, Kizaru has shown serveral named attacks and Luffy is easily dealing with them while Kizaru is commenting on the first conqueror haki named punch in gear 5, an attack that did no damage to an exhausted Kaido. If Kizaru doesn't show anything new, the admirals are down and Kizaru only scales to suppressed hybrid kaido.

[@gsphil414]

Crazy comment it’s like some of you don’t read the story kaido got hit by a weaker version of the same hit was visibly bleeding sent flying and got visibly triggered asking luffy who he was as he couldn’t believe his eyes.

[@tawchaentertainment1488]

@@gsphil414 u mean a Kaido that was already severaly damaged and had internal bleeding? its the same attack stop trying to power scale up and down the same named attach wdf lol , the fact is Kaido was taking conqueror haki attacks on his body for several rounds of fighting and this gear 5th attack did nothing to him, Luffy would have lost the fight if he couldn't gigantify his fist to the size of an island, Hybrid Kaido was starting to overwhelm gear 5 in every category of strenght, Kizaru has not dominated gear 5 or shown anything that can overpower Luffy in gear 5, he's just really fast and nothing else.

[@gsphil414]

@@tawchaentertainment1488 hybrid kaido overpowering g5 and I’m the one upscaling 😭😭😭. Bro they were even at best unless your taking about the end of the fight where kaido puts almost all of his remaining strength into a barrage of attacks against g5 and luffy doesn’t even say owe or anything he justtakes them all and then hits him with barjang gun . He was not overpowering him kaido legit said luffy was playing around and then kaido used that barrage and consumed hella stamina and was visibly really tired after . If your using that one segment to justify kaido being stronger that’s crazy . Your acting like kaido is getting stronger as the fight goes on in g5 he’s not luffy he’s just using more effort hence why kaido says “you can’t defeat me “ instead of something like were even but I’m better . Lol that g5 did do something to him I think it’s pretty obvious by his reaction kaido starts going all out after this attack because it’s obv luffy is joyboy and this is when Luffy is like nika . Making kaido smile by putting kaido out of his misery of never going all out in a fight and killing him really putting him out of his misery which is exactly what nika does makes you smile and puts you out of your misery. Also it is not the same attack let’s be real not only is luffy strogner since he’s fighting kizaru his haki is improving and he fought several times before . Also one is litterally named with star effects fire and in his muscle form while the other is more of a wind up while he flies like a chopper and is a regular punch it’s pretty obvious which is strogner . Kaido taking multiple acoc after is a terrible excuse since luffy was sweating from kizaru’s presence it’s unlikely he could fight kizaru without acoc and if he is it’s simply because they’re both trolling . Your trying to downscale kizaru to make him seem weak while you can easily argue kizaru’s “fight” against luffy makes him not an easy fight for kaido . Both Luffy and kizaur indicate it wouldn’t be easy to take out the other so I don’t know why your trying to make it seem like Luffy stomps kizaru when serious .

[@Idkimjusprince]

@@tawchaentertainment1488ur saying that as if Luffy wasn’t also weakened… they were damn near the same Also the attack Luffy just used is so obviously stronger than the one he used on Kaido. Luffys arm is muscle ballooned and has flames around it in his attack against kizaru

[@OLDGENISTHEFODDERGEN]

It's not the same attack, Luffy punched Kizaru in his muscle form and Luffy also has fire in this attack. Luffy didn't used those against Kaido. Still, Kaido was bleeding,but Kizaru is not.

[@mr_thez]

So we will not mention the fact luffy one shoted kizaru

[@therealchristian1]

Kizaru literally got one shotted. He isn't on kaido's level.

[@heneraldodzz4978]

One serious and named attack took kizaru out while Luffy reached his limits, clearly Luffy won that fight. Also Luffy reaching his limits are common even in any other major foes like crocodile, doflamingo, katakuri, and Kaido.

[@temaratkinson6051]

The answer for this should be look at marine ford people say oh luffy and kizaru weren’t full focusing on each other but look a marine ford luffy was getting bodied by people only giving him slight attention luffy goal was to defend and kizaru one was like luffy in marine ford he was the one trying to get a get a round and luffy beat him and embarrass at every occasion like how kizaru did to luffy at mf every time luffy takes action against kizaru he is powerless against him like luffy was

[@povijestpovijest9569]

Before Luffy went G5, Kizaru had close to 100% HP. G5 Luffy threw only one punch at Kizaru. Kizaru was too slow to dodge or block that single punch, and if he's KOed or seriously hurt by this single punch, then Admirals are not on pair with Yonko.

[@zagessj]

I think you’re too used to seeing durability monsters like Kaido, King, Big Mom bc of Wano. A G5 conquerors punch will deal serious damage to anyone but obviously it would be bad if he’s actually KO.

[@povijestpovijest9569]

@@zagessj My opinion used to be that Admirals can put up a fight against a Yonko, but they would lose, mid diff. 20-30 minutes of fighting. If Kizaru is KOed, then I have overestimated them. If he's badly hurt but still conscious, like lying on the ground holding his head as the blood is dripping from his forehead, then I think I have well estimated their capabilities. If he's OK, with some minor damage, like Luffy was after getting kicked by Kizaru, then I have underestimated Admirals. If he's completely fine, then he's stronger than Kaido.

[@gsphil414]

@@povijestpovijest9569 by your logic it’s high to extrem diff unless kizaru is flat out knocked out . Kaido took a weaker version of the same exact attack and was bleeding sent flying and was triggered asking luffy who he was because he couldn’t believe his eyes .

[@povijestpovijest9569]

@@gsphil414 well then, what kind of damage from this single punch would be consistent with the idea that average Yonko can mid diff the average Admiral?

[@gsphil414]

@@povijestpovijest9569 mmmm it would have to like at the very least make him bleed massively and leave him in terrible condition like some side character says “he’s on the brink of death. Because for example bm is a yonko and she’s less durable than kaido and if kaido is getting sent flying from that attack and bleeding like that bm is being heavily heavily injured from it considering snakeman alone is beating bm and luffys haki has grown since fighting kaido . Also kizaur hasn’t even bled the whole fight so idk him being “knocked out “ would be sus .

[@YayoHernandez-b1j]

Yeah Zage I think Luffy has already defeated kizaru his next target will be fleet admiral

[@psykos233]

His next target will be a Gorosei if Saturn tries anything on Punk or on Luffy friends.

[@YayoHernandez-b1j]

@@psykos233 that dude is above the fleet admiral

[@zagessj]

We gotta see the following chapters bc Kizaru and Luffy both got knocked down

[@YayoHernandez-b1j]

@@zagessj yeah, except he got knocked out with stars. Well Luffy fell last.

[@zagessj]

@@YayoHernandez-b1jthey fell at the same time go reread and stars on top the head doesn’t mean someone is knocked out. we’ve seen this with Kaido before and he wasn’t knocked out. Just wait one week before jumping the gun.

[@orbboom6119]

I kinda like there's always a caviat on these fights, but yeah would be cool too see an actual all out fight with kizaru but ig Oda is saving a true 1v1 admiral fight for whenever Akainu pulls up.

[@crimsonfire6932]

I think from a narrative standpoint it makes sense for the fight to go the way it did. Luffy at this point should definitely not be losing to Kizaru, but it’s also a bit soon for him to be picking up a decisive win against him. The fact that he’s on par with Kizaru shows how far he’s come, but the fact he can’t just outright beat Kizaru shows he has a ways to go. I personally don’t think kaido and luffy (and by extension Kizaru) are evenly matched though. Kaido is definitely much stronger than them both, as taking him down was a team effort and luffy required multiple consecutive attempts. I for sure don’t think luffy at his best lags that far behind, but he’s not even with kaido. Right now, luffy (and by extension Kizaru) are probably evenly matched with big mom, who was the weakest of the yonko when we first go to the new world. So here’s how I think the scaling goes. Greenbull and Fujitora lose to every yonko. Kizaru draws against big mom and luffy. Akainu and Aokiji beat on-screen Blackbeard (who beats current Kizaru). Akainu and Aokiji lose to kaido. Kaido loses to shanks. Prime Garp beats them all. But, current Garp is on par with current Aokiji and loses to current akainu.

[@JoJo-mj8wr]

I think that it's possible for Akaniu to be at the same level or even above Kaido given that he is more likely one of the final vilains and the fact that according to oda could have been the Pirate king in like 40 chapters if he was the hero of the manga.

[@JoJo-mj8wr]

For Gb and Fujitora i agree : they only became Admirals because no other persone had the minimal level for it...

[@lorddarkrai5753]

People really believe it is harder fir an Admiral to knock down a 1,99m guy than a 7m or 8m monster.Classic One Piece powerscalers when nothing in their headcannon makes sense.I'm saying that without questioning that Shanks will definitely put up a hell of a fight against any Admiral.But for any Yonko 2 Admirals are overkill.That's why Oda has never had Luffy or any Yonko fight 2 Admirals simultaneously. Seriously i saw you starting typing , please don't bring Marineford in the conversation you know Luffy didn't stand a chance against anyone there and Oda just wanted to give a possible successful Ace rescue because he is kind of a romantic guy , he doesn't even kill 70% of the characters that receive fatal blows lol. Finally , taking into account Luffy's growth in Haki in Wano , he's definitely able to square at an equal ground with any Admiral individually.He will learn his grandpa's Galaxy Impact , you can be sure of that.

[@lowky5698]

Man basically not admitting that luffy couldn’t hurt without acoc kaido and wasn’t utilizing acoc until the last punch and kizaru is widely affect by that one punch. Kizaru being able to figth with gear 5 luffy not using acoc aint at all a proof of him being at yonko level even people like lucci could exchange for a period of time and luffy being gassed out is only related to the time limit of gear 5 even specified by kizaru in the chapter and was also gassed out after lucci figth. If kizaru is not able to get back from this punch there a clear response to the debate and intelligent enough to know it .

[@RoronoaDZoro-ko8cv]

ill end yonko vs admiral right now: shanks in movie scaring away kizaru and fuji. Shanks in the movie threatening kizaru with sword to his throat. Shanks scaring away green bull with just his haki. old wb vs akainu. jozu and marco vs admirals. put jozu vs kaido or shanks and see what happens. show me an admiral scaring away two of the emperors. show me an admiral with advanced conq. haki. yonko is as far above admiral as admirals are above 1st commander.

[@zagessj]

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and consider this a troll

[@Idkimjusprince]

U can’t be serious…

[@幽霊船-o4h]

Shanks scaring greenbull and Kizaru and the old marinefort war is most likely because the admirals cant touch someone with celestialblood. Shanks talks to the 5 elders he is clearly above the admirrals in the bloodrank. Admirals probably know this and cant attack him

[@jeremiahtannehill8870]

@@幽霊船-o4hheadcanon keep the cope up

[@RoronoaDZoro-ko8cv]

no. greenbull is just an idiot and bad written character. He wouldnt go to wano because of kaido alone but then goes to wano to fight the people who literally beat kaido AND big mom. explain to me how that makes sense to u@@幽霊船-o4h

[@pidgyandgadous2732]

It IS convenient that kizaru missed the vega tank because he had the precision to snipe the key that was going to save ace

[@subrattasingpho5616]

He didn't want to kill Vegapunk

[@hamzaamrani2580]

The debate is over witg the chapter

[@LukeP-k8g]

His heart was hit with the talk no yonko Jutsu haki kai... his heart ain't in the mission fam, it's with the NAKAMA. Kizaru is throwing the fight

[@Infinite8blue]

Kizaru wasn't really interested in drawn on fight with luffy, he want to kill vegapunk. But luffy at the same time was trying to protect vegapunk.

[@scionofafrica]

So who succeeded?

[@Naldinho456]

​@@scionofafrica luffy did at the short ènd kizaru at the long end

[@ryanmitindonga5770]

I agree that the fight was mediocre I like oda I know that is capable of better when he wants

[@Zero-ef4sc]

If Luffy's last punch took out Kizaru, then 1 Yonko=4 Admirals or above is a completely fair take that should be the mainstream since he used ACoC only for that 1 attack while nearly gassed out. If not, you can't really say much since Luffy wasn't using ACoC for most of the fight, and that fight only really shows what a YC1 vs Admiral fight would look like, since Luffy without ACoC is slightly stronger than Katakuri.

[@幽霊船-o4h]

WHAT. Old Yonkos= Admiral. New Yonkos

[@Zero-ef4sc]

@@幽霊船-o4h no... Old Yonkos=3-4 Admirals each. Blackbeard - maybe 1 Admiral Luffy - also 3-4 Admirals Buggy - infinite Admirals.

[@DawnChaser-yn]

​@@Zero-ef4schow you can read egghead and go, yeah Luffy right now could be taking on also Akainu with the most offensive deadly devil fruit and Kuzan with his raw strength rivalling prime garp WOTH all three of them (or at least Kuzan and Akainu in awakening) is wild

[@Zero-ef4sc]

@@DawnChaser-yn if he uses ACoC from the start of the fight, idk how anyone thinks the Admirals stand any chance. If Kizaru is defeated rn, Luffy stomps all Admirals, it's not debatable.

[@幽霊船-o4h]

@@Zero-ef4sc yea ok this is definitely troll acc

[@captainmalcolmreynolds1526]

I don’t agree , luffy took very little to no damage directly from kizaru . Kizaru even holding back was nearly knocked out by every attack luffy landed

[@yoforduder]

whats good zage

[@Sociallybeast01]

Why would they have ended it ? They didn’t even have a fight lmao

[@zagessj]

???

[@Mochii01]

@@zagessjI think he’s talking about how kizaru was only like 40% focused on fighting Luffy and 60% focused on eliminating vegapunk

[@JesManVP]

I don't agree with advanced Coq being a speed boost but I do think it helps with blocking attacks alot because luffy would get over power before advanced Coq and after advanced Coq he was blocking more hits I also think his reaction speed increased because he was getting used to kaidos attacks

[@Warlord-dc5un]

To me it's very obvious that advanced conquerors boost all attributes as it's clear that once Luffy gained such an ability he grew in speed, before in many occasions Luffy could barely defend or avoid Kaido's attacks even with future sight and Zoro is also shown once he started using Advanced conquerors even subconscious against Kaido he did a better job, if it gave zero boost in speed Luffy would've never tagged Kaido as many times as he did nor be able to react to Kaido either...

[@JesManVP]

@Warlord-dc5un still ganna disagree I think he was able to block better and that why it looks like he's faster

[@gsphil414]

@@JesManVP I think it is a speed boost since kaido got perception blitzed essentially when luffy first used he didn’t even see luffy block it then after starts running and kaido is looking at him stunned , he was already stunned when he blocked it so this is prob a reaction to his speed.

[@JesManVP]

@gsphil414 u agree I think his reaction speed got better because he got used to fighting kaido

[@gsphil414]

@@JesManVP nah that doesn’t really make sense luffy was knocked out the chapter before this and got up and did all this when before this him and kaido were completely even in terms of speed.

[@Vulcan-c3i]

Kizaru got one shot 😂😂

[@LukeP-k8g]

He hit him with a flash bang he got slept from a sledge hammer whip of a hook and rocked Kizaru.

[@rndhoody2634]

I never understood this logic that Kizaru was fighting down because his objective was Vegapunk. Isn't that a greater incentive NOT to hold back? If you have a bag of dynamite and you have a time sensitive objective requiring only one stick to blow up a dog house on the other side of a brick wall, why the heck would you climb the wall? Just use the spare dynamite to make a hole. Anyway, Luffy was clearly stronger. Kizaru was just slippery, which is consistent with his DF. When Luffy actually connected a hit, a hit much weaker than BG, it took Kizaru out. That much cannot be said for Kizaru. Who couldn't even get past someone who was supposedly much slower than he is despite using a bunch of named attacks.

[@Idkimjusprince]

Not at all because if he actually tries to go all out and defeat Luffy, that would mean he’s agreeing to have a full on battle with Luffy, which isn’t gonna end quickly. And by the end of the fight Kizaru would be exhausted and injured. As well as the fact that Kizaru himself admitted he doesn’t want to have to hurt all these people because he knows them from the past. Going all out and trying to fight Luffy would slow him down and potentially just outright prevent Kizaru from being able to complete this mission. Kizaru was more impressive than Luffy. He legit blitzed past Luffy so many times, even in 1094 Kizaru blitzed past Luffy to go find Vegapunk. Up until now, Kizaru was the only one to actually damage the other in the fight. Why are u acting like Kaido wasn’t taken out by BG… also Kizaru isn’t knocked out there’s zero proof of that rn

[@zagessj]

Kizaru made it clear to Luffy that he doesn’t want to fight him. Against G5 he used clones to trick him and tried to fly around him as well. I see where you’re coming from but that wasn’t Kizaru’s approach.

[@ElyacaphBenYisraEL]

​@@Idkimjusprincekizaru is unABLE to defeat Luffy. You should already know that Gear 5 takes alot out of luffy so this is NOT a double knockout. If anything kizaru got hit hard and Luffy falling because of exhaustion. But of course like always he always get back up. In a serious ALL OUT 1v1 Luffy taking kizaru out; he ain even endgame opponent for Luffy like Thanos

[@Idkimjusprince]

@@ElyacaphBenYisraEL Kizaru has shown multiple times throughout this fight that he’s capable of easily blitzing Luffy. Literally in this very chapter he easily blitzed past Luffy to go find Vegapunk and Luffy couldn’t even react to his speed. Kizaru just doesn’t want to have to hurt or fight more people/spend more energy if he doesn’t need too

[@ElyacaphBenYisraEL]

@@Idkimjusprince he LITERALLY has the so called FASTEST Df that we know of, but I put money on it that he can't beat Akainu who is slower, Old Sick WB/non prime. Besides his speed are not SOLELY based on attack/reaction speed but TRAVEL SPEED: they're totally different stats. For example Floyd Mayweather is much faster than Hussein Bolt in a fight but Bolt is faster than him in a race. And then there's DURABILITY which Luffy has ALWAYS shown to have in spades. Kizaru has not shown any durability feats at ALL. where as Luffy was tanking hits(multiple) from the WORLDS STRONGEST CREATOR(Kaido)

[@subrattasingpho5616]

Remember its luffy's strongest form yet vs base kizaru 😂 think if kizaru goes serious

[@yzdmarrackech7702]

Did you forget Luffy grabbing lightning ? Grabibg the ground and playing with it , going inside bodies and literally playing around like what he did t kaido , his insane durability , all those Luffy didnt flex his abilities vs kizaru . 1 Luffy punch can destroy egg head island

[@ZZ-ex8py]

Luffy mid diffs kizaru Mfers can’t read Gear 4 Luffy with acoc beats kizaru let alone gear 5

[@crookedhairlineman7763]

Bait used to be believable

[@zagessj]

😂😂😂

[@幽霊船-o4h]

what does mid diff or low diff mean? Difference?

[@gsphil414]

@@幽霊船-o4h difficulty, mid difficulty low difficulty

[@SoyBoy-f9e]

lol

[@capatthis]

Will it be shanks who will save luffy again will it be monkey d dragon

[@LukeP-k8g]

Luffy did catch a non motivated Kizaru nice play

[@Unknown-x4k5x]

But zage all emperors should be relative and big mom did not go all out,and admirals should all be equal and is admiral(yanko) level and capable of fighting and beating some yankos right zage ?

[@zagessj]

The emperors can be close in power but they don’t all have to equals to one another. Big Mom doesn’t have Kaido’s feats and it’s unlikely she’ll return to prove she is an equal so we can’t say they are.

[@Unknown-x4k5x]

@@zagessj ok yes ik you do not need to be strong to be a yanko but normally you are and it makes sence and ik thdy sre not equals but emperos are all close even buggy and marco(who is technically an emperor) yes but big mom did not use advance haki in her fight and was more impresive in her base form fight with kaido bc she held back and is overconfident and so forth and she still have yanko level feats and i think she will return to prove herself at elbaf or somewhere else.

[@Unknown-x4k5x]

@@zagessj and dont you think the admirals are all right beside each other in power and technically equals .

[@uncleiroh7967]

Lol Luffy, in the end. One hitta quitted kizaru. Luffy is the new one tap merchant king. Anyone who argues for admirals are delusional. Keep coping

[@zacharybenn1497]

I don’t think that Oda is at fault for not being clear about what is or isn’t ACOSK. We as a fanbase are just dumb and I doubt Oda cares about the Admirals vs Yonko debate. Oda is just drawing what he thinks is fun and I loved the fight. My interpretation is that neither combatant is holding back and if they are it isn’t by much. Personally in terms of Admirals vs Yonko I believe that some Admirals can beat some Yonko. Also, One Piece is more a rock, paper, scissors type of thing the whomever has more raw power wins. Let’s take Kuzan, Fujitora, Big Mom, and Blackbeard as examples. Kuzan > Blackbeard Kuzan < Big Mom Fujitora < Blackbeard Fujitora > Big Mom

[@Idkimjusprince]

Fugitora is NOT stronger than Kuzan 😭😭

[@幽霊船-o4h]

ACoc or not is the dumbest debate ever. It doesnt matter if a punch has Acoc or armament haki or no haki. You can still hurt someone. Acoc doesnt make your punch stronger then the opponents non Acoc phnch. It only makes your own punch stronger. I could use Acoc as a weakling but Kaido would only need a no haki fist to break my fist

[@zacharybenn1497]

@@Idkimjusprince you did not at all read my comment. I said that I think Kuzan would beat Blackbeard but would lose to Big Mom and that Fujitora would beat Big Mom and lose to Blackbeard. Everything is about how different powers match up with each other. I said nothing about whether or not Fujitora could beat Kuzan, but whomever wins that fight it would most definitely be a high diff matchup.

[@Idkimjusprince]

@@zacharybenn1497 Kuzan was legit just outright stated stronger than Fugi tho so it would make zero sense for Fugitora to be able to beat big mom while Kuzan can’t.

[@zacharybenn1497]

@@Idkimjusprince again I don’t really think that you read my comment. I said that I think Kuzan can beat Blackbeard while Fujitora can’t. I said nothing about Kuzan vs Fujitora. Also, I said that fights in One Piece are rock, paper, scissors as opposed to raw power. With Prometheus along with her brute strength Big Mom won’t have any problems with Kuzan’s ice and so because of that elemental mismatch it would come down to brute strength in which case Big Mom crushes Kuzan. Fujitora’s gravity will give him a huge advantage against Big Mom and with him have one of the best observation haki we have seen despite the strength disadvantage Big Mom probably won’t be able to touch Fujitora. Also, Big Mom is kinda dumb with is another advantage for both Kuzan and Fujitora. Despite Kuzan being on Blackbeards crew there is nothing to say that Kuzan can’t be stronger. Mihawk is stronger than his “captain” so why can’t there be another exception. While Blackbeard can most likely shatter Kuzan’s ice with his tremors it will be probably an instant KO if Blackbeard gets frozen because unlike Big Mom, Blackbeard has shown nowhere near the physical strength and durability to be able to possibly survive and break out of the ice. Also, Kuzan just has way better showings with haki and if Blackbeard did nullify Kuzan’s powers Kuzan would the just punch Blackbeard to death. Fujitora would have more difficulty against Blackbeard because I’m unsure how his gravity would be against Blackbeard’s darkness. Fujitora despite being immensely strong in his own right and having the far superior haki I think Blackbeard takes the W. If Fujitora tries any gravity shenanigans like summoning down a meteor I don’t think that it would be far fetched to say that Blackbeard can destroy it with tremors and if Fujitora tries getting in close Blackbeard would use darkness to nullify powers and in terms of physical strength unlike Kuzan I don’t think that Fujitora would be able to muscle his way out of that situation.

[@davidortiz3094]

Kizaru isn't stronger than Luffy. His kick did no serious damage to Luffy. The dome did. And when Luffy finally hits him, his @$$ goes down. Kizaru ain't no Kaido & even Kaido avoids Luffys punches.

[@eledorusso]

It was never a debate, the magma guy got demolished by whitebeard

[@幽霊船-o4h]

??? Akainu killed him basically? He only got one punch eaten and came back up as if nothing happened. Just like Kuzan got punched by garp into a hole

[@realnickotine]

Sick ass thumbnail bro, def made me click

[@newbreed2334]

Brov you on the pipe, how the hell is it a draw when kizaru got knock the f**k out

[@isaacmybro9570]

In the words of law is the goat first 🤓☝️

[@DhirC35]

After 1094 i realise now that when luffy said someone really strong is coming, it wasnt kizaru he was talking about. It was saturn.

[@zagessj]

Clearly it wasn’t because he was surprised when Saturn arrived. If he was talking about Saturn in 1090 he wouldn’t have that reaction.

[@orbboom6119]

Reading skills 100 Just like Db fans that cant read😂

[@emmanuelmughogho7148]

It wasn't saturn

[@gsphil414]

All ik is kizaru is def beating bm .

[@joeygamingnl2724]

People often misinterpret the panel where Luffy intercepts Kizaru’s beam, Luffy didn’t eat it, he got hit by it and the light came out of his mouth and eyes, otherwise why would it also be going in/out of Luffy’s eyes? From what we’ve seen I’d definitely say Kizaru has the advantage in this fight however we can only properly make a conclusion when we see what white star gun did to Kizaru as that could prove either Kizaru is very strong if he’s fine Kizaru is stronger, if he’s heavily damaged or knocked out they’re relative, the reason I say they’d be relative if he gets heavily damaged and not weaker is bc Kizaru was clearly off guard when he got hit by white star gun

[@zagessj]

Nah Luffy did eat it there’s even a “chomp” effect on the panel and Luffy’s mouth is full 😂

[@21forevergone]

He totally ate the beam, it's something you see a lot in cartoons. When characters eat fire simple cones out of their eyes and nose and ears

[@ynddd]

bro said shabondy

[@zagessj]

It’s correct 😂

[@幽霊船-o4h]

​@@zagessjIts Sabaody meathead powerscaler. Read the plot notthe dumb fights

[@ynddd]

its sabaody bro

[@sharonstanfield7364]

Big fan of the admirals but it sucks they lose Luffy the winner

[@Spartt204]

Luffy is pretty much the saitama of one piece idk how anyone thinks he would lose after defeating the strongest creature and the strongest pirate at the time kaidou 😂 he was basically an unkillable monster who the gorosei were scared of and just about everyone else so they never stepped foot in wano despite there being an ancient weapon and a road poneglyth there 😂

[@alexmosking7481]

The fight btw luffy and Kizaru ended in a tie for now

[@yungace1820]

I will not subscribe i will watch 😎

[@jeremiahtannehill8870]

I’ll say shanks>>>>luffy shanks>>>>>kizaru period

[@southterano4020]

Bro your Volume is always low

[@zagessj]

It might be a problem on your end but I’ll keep it in mind

[@emmanuelmughogho7148]

Maybe he talking about the sound track in the background but it would distract people if it was too loud

[@tmtsps12]

you REALLLLY DISAPOINTED ME

[@zagessj]

How so? 😂

[@jadenbbbruh5227]

😂

[@ynddd]

not whatever you said😂

[@blzkn]

cooked

[@zagessj]

🤝

[@kagelynx]

New chapter. Luffy lost. Kizaru won. Very clear now.

[@subrattasingpho5616]

Kizaru>>>>>Luffy(until luffy gets a plot armour)

[@harrymbakwe8424]

This coment aged so badly its not evan funny

[@demarienhall]

Wake up to reality 😊

[@SilentMusicNo.22]

Dawg this comment aged like old milk. Ever since luffy turned the light man into pizza man he ain’t been the same

[@ReyesThaRula]

Admirals clear kaido and fraud mom

[@Ectooooo]

Admirals meat rider so that means there is 5 pirate king levels in the marine nah your crazy bro rewatch marineford sengoku says. That the victory against whitebeard crew is not guaranteed and before saying crap just go rewatch the marineford arc in the manga from so sengoku is crazy right? He says the victory is not guaranteed even tho he has 5 pirate king levels in marine and sengoku is the fleet admiral so he knows the marine well if it was really the case the marineford would have lasted not more than 2 chapters buddy but it literally got damaged to the point they had to build another one nah the meat riding is insane.