Have You Ever Seen an E Ink Display Update This Quickly?

[@garfieldnate]

As a hobby builder I'm desperate to get my hands on a fast-refreshing e-Ink display like that shown for the meenote, but in different sizes. They don't make bw LCD screens of larger sizes anymore, and I want to recreate the wonderful Casio electronic dictionaries I used before they switched to slow, power-hogging backlit screens.

[@lua-nya]

Big BW LCD? Can be acquired as a custom order, but it's not worth it for small batches...

[@tahustvedt]

An E-ink 2-bit display in an old Game boy would be fun. The old Game Boy display is super ghosty too, but E-ink would be so much clearer and look interesting. Maybe we'll have fast enough displays soon.

[@modernkennnern]

Never seen an eInk display in real life, and this is practically the first video I've seen on them

[@MaxOakland]

Haven’t heard of segmented e-ink displays before. That’s a cool idea

[@bummers]

That meenote demo is a really great application for education space. I myself would love to have a meenote do nothing but take notes and have it syncable to desktop or mobile. Heck, if it can save as png or pdf, I can just use it as is.

[@RealVercas]

This is by far the most educational content I've seen about e-paper displays. Subscribing.

[@nineephe]

And now we even have 20fps color e-inks Crazy how fast this technology moves

[@ivangutowski]

Do they wear out ?

[@noahprussia7622]

@@ivangutowski That's the reason they invert the screen, otherwise they get "stuck"

[@lelanddyke8386]

@@ivangutowski They do, but not so much faster than an LCD

[@teeferzs]

i hope they invent a 60Hz, high resolution, colour-supporting, e-ink panel lol.

[@memes_gbc674]

@@teeferzs they've already got color ones but they're way slower

[@jacquesmertens3369]

There's a tonne of information in this video. Very useful. Thank you. It's a bit too much for a bear of little brain like myself though. A matrix with screen size, pros, cons and price range and compatibility would come in very handy.

[@orchishgrunt7888]

I'd be on board for a nice, thin, low-powered e-ink display that I could lug around. This is a cool video, and I feel like we're there!

[@TF8ase]

This was brilliant. Simple, interesting, and well explained. Much kudos.

[@blrryface]

This channel is so underrated! Hope you get viral some day!

[@seedmole]

Very cool stuff. One with a very fast refresh rate could be extremely useful for audio projects -- could be used for anything from displaying parameters as you edit them, to showing resulting waveforms, etc etc. The way MeeNote handles the tradeoff between low latency and full data representation reminds me of how a sequencer I'm working on handles note duration values. First it writes incoming midi key presses with a pre-adjusted dummy value for its duration (200ms is its current default), and then the location where that was written is used by another writing function once you release the key to send a duration value produced from a timer. This allows fully instantaneous writing, but also a post-hoc edit that fills in the data that did not exist at the original time of writing.

[@lua-nya]

You can do that in MIDI? I am such a novice.

[@gael5773]

really interesting , your explanation are made of a good mixed of technicals infos on the product, the way it work, advangages and personal experience 👍

[@RiyazAliKhanMayana]

Almost ever E ink display covered hats off

[@sirspamalot4014]

I want to get one of these as it stands and use it as a display in a laptop for coding. I spend so long looking at a screen these days I'm getting bad eye strain, but would need colour for all the different labels or it'd be a bit of a nightmare to read.

[@Benutzername0000]

some years ago, i've seen a video of a guy showing his invention at a convention. It was a color ink display that was able to refresh so fast that it was possible to watch videos smoothly. So i guess over 30 frames. He was explaining his panted and how the technology works quite thorough. I wonder very much what happend to it. Do you know what i am talking about?

[@stevenprosser8813]

I love epaper/eink/eReader screens! I'm a big fan, but I don't know the "techy" side of it, I just know I love them vs a traditional screen! I own a ReMarkable 2 and an Onyx Boox Nova 3 Color and they have been life changers for doing university work! I highly recommend both devices for different purposes. I will need to rematch this video again as some of it went over my head a bit, but I'm glad I now have a good resource to EXPLAIN the development behind the devices I love 😁 The other day I saw for the first time in my life eink price tags at our local grocery store!! I was so excited! And my wife thought I was a weirdo! 😅 it's so cool seeing eink and eink style technology (like the recent creation of DES by Wei Feng sold by Good Display, used in the sketchy kickstarter campaign of the company Reinkstone)! I'm looking forward to seeing what Onyx boox and Sony come up with for color eink by the end of the year 😁😃. I'm wanting a 10+ inch color screen for comic reading 🤩

[@KangJangkrik]

More like "conventional" rather than "traditional", because tech like LCD and OLED are still developing to be better :)

[@technicalsikh9261]

Wow, now that's a deep explanation.

[@NicksStuff]

With your knowledge on e-ink display, would you have an e-reader recommendation? Something that works well with ebooks AND websites, maybe?

[@trixniisama]

Check out some boox e-reader

[@NicksStuff]

@@trixniisama Thanks

[@lapitop4206]

might be better to make ur own.

[@asandax6]

Can't wait for 60FPS E-ink displays.

[@MsHojat]

Is it not possible to have black and white e-ink displays to have their whites be retroreflective? It seems like a good way to increase readability in some cases where one might want an extra-bright display or better visibility in the dark.

[@jamianh4502]

I'm sure it's possible, although I don't think a retro-reflective "background" would provide a significant advantage over simply increasing the brightness/purity of the white. Plus by nature of how it would bounce light back I could see it causing unwanted irritation from different brightness values if there's a light source behind the reader.

[@houghwhite411]

And then another device is announced, Pine Tab. Can't wait for it to finally ship, I am curious about what e ink tech they're using

[@xelemorf]

My dog just jumped up scared to death on your intro music 😂🐶

[@RichardBronosky]

I want to learn more about interfacing with the complex all-in-one displays. I want to embed a tiny e-ink above the keyboard of my ThinkPad to serve as a gage for battery and vitals.

[@GSephElec]

That sounds like a cool project! Have a look at the segmented E Ink displays, you can buy them on Digi Key fairly cheap 😊

[@XTJ7]

Thanks for the excellent overview!

[@32rq]

What is that 1.1" round complex all in one model?

[@momiswatchingyou2488]

5:51 i'm sorry to ask but where did you buy the small bar graph display and the number "10" on the flex cable?

[@GSephElec]

Digi Key, search for “SCD722003”

[@momiswatchingyou2488]

@@GSephElec thanks

[@kennylex]

Is there any large screen that can be used to show calendar and reminder like a black board? After a stroke I need something that is always on, easy to read and shall not be updated too often, something that is like a cork board or a black board I can mount on a fridge or a door?

[@zoewalker2064]

Could you do a review commercial e-ink readers and compare the benifits vs prices?

[@scottwilliams895]

@2:05 Where can we follow up on the mentioned anticipated improved dev boards?

[@jeffgough8862]

Good Display Inc. make plenty of panels with fast refresh, partial updates, and yellow, red or orange secondary colour in "AiO" format, as you call it

[@UKUAPGUY]

QUESTION Please, If Nokia (HMD) made the decision that the classic remake of the 3310 mobile should stay faithful with it's screen. Would these screens lend them selfs well to recreating a classic feel with updated res and sharpness? What are your thoughts on MIP screens found in the latest G-Shock watches, are the suitable for a mobile phone use case? A real classic experience with smarts running underneath. Would love to kmow your thoughts

[@GSephElec]

I would have though not, there's no major need for an E Ink display in comparison to the old Monochrome LCD that the Nokia 3310 originally had. I also think the update limitations of an e-paper/Memory-in-Pixel display would hinder the user experience without adding an real benefit. But MIP is certainly an interesting technology in the same way E Ink/e-paper is

[@adroharv9213]

great video. Are there any machines that allow for simply taking notes or writing lists. I'd after a simple device that I can use just for making notes. Perhaps even a keyboard plugged as well

[@GSephElec]

Check out the reMarkable tablets. I think they’re the best selling E Ink note taking brand 😊

[@adroharv9213]

@@GSephElec thanks I shall take a good look

[@sephers2]

@@KingNekodom When this was filmed, MeeNote was a proof of concept. I’m not sure if anyone has taken that concept into production, so the closest thing would be ReMarkable.

[@DarkDragonEgg]

Is it possible to switch the "ink" out for some glow in the dark paints? Sorry if this is a dumb question.

[@chrisr1241]

Very good video! Can you tell me where I can get these complex all in one round displays? Found nothing online…

[@GSephElec]

Might have to contact E Ink direct for that one I’m afraid, I haven’t seen people like Waveshare selling them.

[@TormodNicholasMortonTorgersen]

@GSept Electronics Any links for the last 7.8" display? I wonder if that would be good for a ebike speedometer . Not many screens have the sunlight visibility of eink as fare as I see, and on a relatively slow moving think like a ebike showing only speed in 1 kmh/mph increments (or .5 steps) it should be fast enough (?)

[@GSephElec]

Yeah you can get that exact display from Waveshare (www.waveshare.com/7.8inch-e-paper-hat.htm). Sounds like a cool project, I would’ve thought an E Ink display would be responsive enough for an ebike speedometer since it would only need to update a couple of times a second 😊

[@wiegraf9009]

Thanks so much for this great video! It helped me get oriented when just browsing stuff on Alibaba had me lost. For years I've been hoping to replace the TN LCD display on my old Thinkpad X201 with an eink display so I can use it as a portable typewriter. Is there a way to do this with current eink technology like that found on the externally controlled displays?

[@wiegraf9009]

@@KingNekodom Can you share the method with me somehow?

[@christopherhavoc]

I’d love to hear what you think about the eink car.

[@g43s]

pebble did it in 2016 for their Smart Watch, and those were colored displays.

[@devicemodder]

I have an HDMI E-ink from aliexpress that can do 15 frames per second. I have a video of it on my channel hooked up to a snes.

[@bingusbongus9807]

how far do you think e-ink will progress in the coming years or decades?? im very curious what someone with expertise thinks, will e-inks ever become good enough to be laptop displays for example? or is it simply impossible despite whatever innovation or technological increase there is.

[@martincerny3294]

Check out Boox Nova 3 Color, we're getting close.

[@yurkshirelad]

That watch display looks pretty cool. I bet they're quite expensive.

[@flavortown3781]

Would it be possible to front light one of these? Would one be possible to get one to display maps? Would one be able to get one in like 5.5x8.5ish?

[@dinoscheidt]

Any good ideas for a large (i.e. >10“) black-red eink displays? I want to combine four (!) of them to display a calendar, todos, server stats stats on my wall. So update time doesn’t matter really (maybe every 30 min). Waveshark has a 12.48“ black/red/white display for 200 EUR and I wonder if this is a trap, or if you can think of a better alternative. All the best from Berlin, Germany. Subscribed ! Waveshare: 1304×984, 12.48inch E-Ink display module, red/black/white three-color

[@GSephElec]

200 EUR for a 12” B/W/R display seems about right to me. No idea what you’d do with 4 of them though 😂 big displays like that are usually used for signage like advertising or in shops, so not too sure what sort of project you could use it for at home. But what you’ve suggested already sounds really interesting.

[@dinoscheidt]

Thanks @@GSephElec ! I‘ll go with them than. And regarding size requirement (let me put my brag hat on): Todos, Calendar, Action Items Scrum Meetings, Financials of Three Companies, Tracking of investments, Health Metric Server Architecture, Training data form machine learning systems, my personal health data like weight (lockdown... its bad... really bad), important emails, status smart home... and so on and so on... maybe 4 are not enough 🧐 anyway that’s the reason why eInk... to much waste of energy running that one standard lcd screens

[@TestName286]

Any updates on fastest refresh e-ink displays?

[@GSephElec]

From what I’ve seen, the technology is still limited to the update speeds I’ve shown, but I’d also be interested to see if they improve that in the future. I think E Ink are focusing a lot on their colour displays, like the ACeP technology, and working on improving the contrast of those displays - at the moment the ACeP displays have colours that are a bit washed out.

[@scottwilliams895]

Excellent video!

[@NVAfilm]

Thank you for this video 💚

[@MagivaIT]

did i miss you talking about waveshare devices driven off of ESP8266 / 32 ? or is there a reason you dont mention these ?

[@GSephElec]

The waveshare ESP8266/32 driver board is for easily connecting an Espressif device to one of Waveshares boards. I'm only talking about E Ink panels here, not the host micros that are driving them. Some of Waveshare's boards use E Ink panels, so this video will cover some of that.

[@MagivaIT]

@@GSephElec no no it was a double question, the waveshare displays in general as they have the tri-colour types and using the spi to esp8266 as an ultralow power option. With waveshares 7.5" 2colour display now around $45 it brings the development of them into many more hands with the need for a pi

[@notmyname9062]

@@MagivaIT I also found the waveshare e-inks and need at least 4.8" preferrably 7.5" (b/w would be enough) display running on a Raspberry Pi, but those long taking fullscreen updates and no partial updates are inacceptable for my usecase. What i got from the video however this mostly depends on the display driver board? So i wonder if this could be solved with a different driver board? Where can i find such? Current but imperfect workaround would be to use 2-3 2.8" displays (also waveshare) which can update much faster.

[@trixniisama]

@@notmyname9062 But what is your usecase first ?

[@notmyname9062]

@@trixniisama I want to display weather data that only updates every few minutes and i don't want the display to emit light by itself.

[@babajoe8025]

can you tell me, where I can find the first simple red segmented epaper? I mean the one that was used for fire alarms.

[@GSephElec]

That's a prototype that E Ink did a while back, you wouldn't be able to buy these individually unfortunately

[@cookie_yomenai9551]

Hi, is MeeNote already commercially available? If yes, can you share how to purchase the device and at what cost? Thanks.

[@GSephElec]

No unfortunately it's a proof of concept at the moment.

[@kbhasi]

It's a concept, but similar technology already seems to be used by stuff like reMarkable, Supernote, and Boox Nova/Note/Max.

[@johngreen2468]

@@GSephElec make sure to update when its ready; affordable eink-based monitor replacement is what many ppl need, even if it was to be ~7inch

[@bummers]

Just noticed that the video is from a year back. So is this like production ready or is there a kit we can buy already?

[@GSephElec]

I don’t think so, no, it was a prototype kit made by E Ink but I don’t think any companies picked the concept up.

[@lp3037]

I have seen article about people trying to hack their e-reader as external monitor. Question about externally controlled display: How is the screen refreshing rate? Is it good enough to be used for word processing?

[@GSephElec]

For something like word processing, I’d say yes but it would take a bit of getting used to. If you’ve ever used a Kindle/other e-reader and used the text input function for searching or setting up wifi, you’ll know that it’s possible but just a bit too slow for comfort

[@Boxersteavee]

Idea: cinema timing boards, price cards in shops and school information boardsshould be e-ink

[@juliproo3962]

hi is there a 7 inch e-inc monitor out there with an hdmi port that dont requires any special drivers?

[@andresbodenheimer5155]

Hi ! Amazing work man ! How did you get all this displays. I want to by the 7.8" screen for an ebook project but don't find it on internet. Thanks for answering 🙃

[@GSephElec]

Waveshare sell a 7.8” E Ink display, same model as in the video. Just search on their website 😊

[@NicksStuff]

Awesome video

[@chrisbrendel9527]

I have a student who has achromatopsia. Without getting too far into the weeds of the condition, I am curious if there are e-ink displays that can effectively be used as a primary display. I don't think the refresh rates are high enough to use for normal tasks, such as browsing websites. Any thoughts? Thank you for such niche videos.

[@N4CR]

Scrolling won't work well but static page display they shine at. I think they are better than high DPI backlit displays.

[@4.0.4]

Technology connections did a couple videos on e-Ink as a "main" display but how would e-Ink help, anyway? You can have a regular black and white image on any monitor...

[@chrisbrendel9527]

@@4.0.4 Read up on the condition and you'll better understand why a high refresh e-ink display would be a huge upgrade over traditional displays with grey scale.

[@4.0.4]

@@chrisbrendel9527 there are a few new e-readers that I think are almost good enough already. I was gonna recommend that but noticed there's now one called "Daylight" that claims 60fps, which is impressive even if there's trade-offs.

[@Upbeat_Impact]

Can ESL be bought below $5 from anywhere ?

[@GSephElec]

Have a look at the Waveshare website if you’re buying 1 display, or alternatively contact E Ink if buying in bulk, sub $5 is possible if you’re buying enough panels, depends on size of course.

[@mmenjic]

2:20 SO THEY ARE NOT REPLACED !?

[@GSephElec]

They are being replaced by Pimoroni’s Inky Dev boards, check out the video I did on them. But there’s only one of them at the moment

[@aniruddhamishra7421]

Hey, we are looking for commercial application of E-ink tablets. Any idea how much does it cost for 10.3" size, Android based E-ink tablets at OEM level? Any reputed OEM/ODM supporter?

[@GSephElec]

I don't know of any E Ink OEMs I'm afraid. I'd get in contact with Ineltek ( www.ineltek.com/en/unternehmen/standorte/ ) who supply the E Ink panels and we might be able to support you in finding a partner?

[@Milk_Bag67]

Can you game on e-ink displays?

[@joetoebkanaal]

Nice haircut mate

[@tarassu]

Are there simple e-ink displays that are good for direct outdoor use? Display that works between -25*C up to +40*C in shade plus direct sunshine (that means UV resistant). Water ingress IP65 at least I think. Controlling it can be done from inside device case (controller can be inside) but wiring must be simple (flat ribbon is not robust enough). Black/white, update speed within 3 seconds.

[@maxwell_edison]

I have really crazy ideas for the usage of E-Ink, but it's a shame that it feels somewhat stifled of a tech. E-Ink the company itself does the most innovation (and costing a lot) while others lag behind. So much to do still...

[@ArthArmani]

i think Apple is working on E lnk displays.

[@UltimatePerfection]

Wow, it almost as fast as the original Gameboy's LCD. Almost.

[@lastwymsi]

Well... now we gotta get doom running on it.

[@RemiDupont]

Love the video but the noise suppression/compression on your voice is awful!

[@KM____________]

all they need to do is make the full update less jaring, imagine a wash from top to bottom... So many researchers would switch to reading articles on e-ink straight away. Sometimes I don't understand why companies can't make a useful product.

[@user-jt5vm3mi1w]

Yes

[@WaschyNumber1]

I have a e-ink 2.1" Bluetooth tag, but I'm looking for a android app that works with it. 😔

[@SweetiePeachies]

Nice video! Less headroom on the recording of yourself would be nice :)

[@Daniel32396]

Thought I'd see him playing doom on it or something.

[@DanielM111]

Love this display tech, but it's still so insanely expensive...

[@LOogt]

very cool

[@mennims]

Great video. Inb4 100k subs

[@laughingvampire7555]

I want cherry-mx compatible e-ink keycaps

[@andreichernyshev8554]

very useful

[@AmaroqStarwind]

I want a self-illuminating e-Ink display that uses phosphorescent pigments (glow-in-the-dark) and a SED backlight (surface electron discharge; basically a grid of extremely tiny oscilloscope CRTs).

[@albertgerard4639]

awesome

[@Camelotsmoon]

I'm a big believer in e-ink. Just imagining stretching e-ink too its absolute limits just sounds amazing to me if someone could pull it off. Just imagine, a blazing fast refresh speed that sips battery; that paired with future battery tech, I could imagine a phone lasting a month or longer without a charge. Watches would be a great place for e-ink also... I've sworn off electronic watches just because I don't want to have 57 different things I need to charge everynight, but I'd be open to an e-ink one. Color is another thing I'm excited to see in E-ink... I've heard whispers of color screens, but not too much. Color would be great also.

[@RJiiFin]

No, I have never seen an E Ink Display update that quickly

[@sergiomissaglia6380]

Imagine an e-ink, that has colours, a super contrast ratio, and 120hz refresh... 🥴

[@igort5418]

This is considered quick ?

[@Pedro76mchlkg]

Why e-readers are so grayish?

[@emerson-biggons7078]

I hope for the day I can watch a comic BOOK rather than read it.

[@frankhovis]

Please turn OFF that audio compressor!! Its absolutely horrible to listen to.

[@critical_always]

Such a pitty that the audio is garbled garbage. I push through it this time but replace your potato mic if you can.

[@SpirosPagiatakis]

This is a game changer! No wonder the government hides this from us. Kudos!