I Got The Worst Monitor Ever… In Color! - Dasung Paperlike Color E-Ink Monitor

[@randomepic12]

I have a classmate who can no longer look at standard electronic screens due to a concussion and can only look at e-ink screens without pain. I showed her this and she was in awe. Very glad to see this on the market, even if it’s not for most consumers.

[@TehButterflyEffect]

Way to put her through serious pain just for clout, bro.

[@joejo4549]

Really is a great technology for people with visual issues

[@randomepic12]

@@seigeengine Light sensitivity is an extremely common symptom of a concussion. Her concussion was so bad that it caused permanent brain damage. Electronic screens emit blue light which can be harsh on the eyes and brain, plus they flicker extremely quickly, which can cause strain. While these barely affect most people, her injury has damaged her brain enough to the point where it can’t take in that amount of light/information at one time. Because of this, she experiences very strong head and eye pain after looking at a screen. I suggest you educate yourself before discounting the effects of a condition which you do not have to live with.

[@randomepic12]

@@seigeengine I’ll let you lecture me as soon as you have experienced, know somebody firsthand who has experienced this, or have made any effort into understanding how e-ink vs standard monitors work and why one would be more beneficial for somebody prone to light sensitivity. Otherwise, there’s nothing more to say.

[@sethlaskus5628]

@@seigeengine wow, you really don't understand how screens or eyes work, also nice improper use of a straw man

[@zachbrown7272]

if anyone is curious the morse code on the back says "PAPERLIKE 253 DASUNG"

[@privateme686]

Thanks! You just saved me loads of time :)

[@TechOverwrite]

THANK YOU! I was curious, but not quite curious enough 😅

[@4_Science]

I decoded it before looking for the answer 😊

[@ernestcole1309]

@@konishiwoi 0:48

[@vivaanmishra8651]

@@konishiwoi 13:17

[@cheetor5923]

E-Ink has so many great uses.. Our supermarket price labels here are all 3 color (Black, White and Red) E-ink.. They all update over an IR broadcast system.. And they're great

[@stepmi]

That's a bit different E-ink type, it has 3 natural pigments (black, white and red (or yellow)). But it's slow asf. So it's only good when image doesn't change for long time, like in ads or price labels.

[@MsZiomallo]

They use RGB pixels? I thought they'd use CMYK, not only it's more "print-like" (so quite fitting for e-ink), but also brighter since more light comes through CMYK rather than RGB

[@shaunbowen]

I came here to say this too. RGB is meant for transmissive displays that produce light, whereas CMYK is best for something that is 'reflective'. So why on earth wasn't CMYK used for this? It would also have given each 'pixel' an even 4 sub-pixels - one of each colour.

[@stepmi]

E Ink Kaleido uses RGB color filters (black and white pigments reflect light, and it comes out via filter layer, just like in regular monitor) E Ink Gallery uses CMYK pigments (they are reflect the light like the paper does). Former is faster, but has lesser resolution when in color (1/3x), and colors are "pastel" (because of this color filter layer the light passes twice) Latter is slower (4x), but resolution is as good as in b/w mode. And it has more colors, and they are way brighter.

[@eDoc2020]

@@shaunbowen It's not transmissive vs reflective, it's additive vs subtractive. CMYK only works when you can stack transparent layers. E-ink is opaque.

[@yesthatpaul]

Most computer coding is designed around the RGB color space (because most monitors are RGB). Using CMYK on the display end requires extra processing (read as: more expensive) to convert from RGB values.

[@yesthatpaul]

Also, CMYK and RGB have incompatible color values in certain ranges. You'd have color values that would have to be rounded off to fit into the color space in real time.

[@cristivpopescu]

the fact that most of the popular comments on this video say either how it's terrible at gaming, or how nobody would use this, proves that this audience doesn't do much READING. READING, people, that's what this is for!

[@xGOKOPx]

Did you miss Linus's comments on the text not being very sharp?

[@cristivpopescu]

​@xGOKOPx he said the text was not very sharp, then they changed the mode to text or smth and it was obviously much better. The problem i have with his test is that he's using the monitor for text editing, and e-ink technology doesn't really excel at that right now due to its slowness. Using a combination of settings, i was able to make my e-ink android tablet be acceptable for text editing, but the slowness means it's really just not ideal. But what it really is ideal for is reading. He should have loaded an ebook, and checked that out, first thing. And of course, the font wouldn't be very small, why would you wanna squint when reading? Just use the full screen ( not just the middle like he does with editing text) and it'll be great for reading. I am not a fan of dasung, haven't even tried their products, but i am a fan of e-ink displays. It just feels entirely different reading from them, compared to normal monitors. I would still use normal monitors, and have an additional eink display for reading, and i would make sure i would use it ina way that would get me the most out of it, like setting it to change a full page instead of scrolling

[@xGOKOPx]

@@cristivpopescu He didn't change any mode to make text sharper, he just made the text larger.

[@cristivpopescu]

​@xGOKOPx​ they did, watch the full video again. They change the mode to text and test further. The video is cut short in places. Anyway, at minute 10:00 they even say "to be fair, we are in text mode". They were talking about the weird way that the monitor is displaying the text editor UI like page lines, etc. Linus does make a good point that " text mode" should be what you would expect to use for editing text(due to the name), but what he doesn't mention is that you can't use text mode when editing if you want the display to be responsive so it doesn't feel sluggish when you type. On my eink android tablet, I use a mode that is faster when editing text/typing, and when reading, I use the "text mode" or normal mode, as mine is called, so just use whatever mode your eink device has that is the slowest mode, which is fine when you are reading books page by page ( not by scrolling! but by "turning" the pages , like with a book)

[@geminightur]

that's why kindle exists

[@Jamsterman25]

This feels like the latest monitor technology in the world of fallout where they don’t have transistors.. except that even CRT’s don’t use transistors and make way more sense

[@pavuk357]

Actually they have transistors in the Fallout. They just were invented significantly later and integrated circuits even later. Don't expect Pip-Boy and these robots to actually world exclusively on vacuum tubes.

[@helixmusic4279]

​@@pavuk357 yeah, people dont realize you couldnt make what is essentially wrist mounted game boy with just vaccum tubes for compute... power, heat dispersion, etc would be significantly worse than what we're shown if that was the case.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@helixmusic4279 Ya could technically do it with diodes in a particular configuration, but then that gets dangerously close to transistors

[@lurifaks92]

handheld CRT's would be hella wild

[@TehButterflyEffect]

@@lurifaks92 Those existed. Are you too young to remember portable TVs?

[@JC-jz6rx]

I can’t imagine there’s even a 2 percent subset of people even within the monitor enthusiasts that would have any real world tangible use for this.

[@pezz2345]

There absolutely is for people with eye strain

[@YouTubetail]

Linustech 👍🏼

[@pezz2345]

That's honestly the whole point of them

[@Mr.Marbles]

The only thing i could think of is advertisements in a storefront. But like… just hang posters for 0.5% of the price. Its a typical example of „this is really cool. But why tho?“

[@christianmino3753]

If you have eye strain and are an avid reader, it's extraordinarily useful. I love manga, I would LOVE to have one of these specific for colored manga.

[@HeinousinAppearance]

My cousin with an internet addiction bought the black & white one off my recommendation after your last video. It REALLY helped him, since videos, games and all the other shit that addicted him was basically unusable but things like job applications, academic stuff and what not were still accessible to him. With that said, the color one is NEAT and I almost want it just for the novelty.

[@Unknown_Genius]

that's actually a pretty solid use case, if not one of the best use cases

[@Jeebus-un6zz]

​@@Unknown_Genius yeah I have a BOOX tablet exactly for this. When I need to read PDFs or Google something without overstimulating my brain or blasting my eyes out at night time. Plus it holds a charge for literal months if you use it lightly.

[@yensteel]

Yeah, I'm thinking of making my kids use it when I become a parent :p Also will use it for myself because of the same issues. Concentration, eye strain, lessened KZbin consumption.. etc. Got addicted to sudoku on my E-ink tablet though. Some inherent issues like lack of discipline aren't resolved XD.

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@yensteel Some addictive games like Ogame (space war simulator) would probably work just fine. I quit that game after noticing I was scheduling my life around that game instead of the other way around.

[@geoffschulz]

As a musician, E-Ink tablets are preferred for sheet music, particularly when performing out doors in bright sunlight. I think this would also make a great dash board for a boat.

[@MarcStollmeyer]

The old pebble watch with e-ink display was such a gamechanger for outdoor use I’m honestly surprised its taken this long for companies to make full sized monitors. With continued investment it could be just as good as regular screens. You should compare this screen outside in direct sunlight.

[@MinibossMakaque]

I've been waiting 2 decades for one if these that I can use in sunlight. This technology has moved so slowly.

[@QuickQuips]

My Garmin Instinct Solar is fantastic for this reason too. I hope there's more of them honestly. For spreadsheet and word processing I can't imagine anything better.

[@timseguine2]

As someone with sensory issues who needs to use computers constantly, I want an actually usable transflective monitor so bad it hurts.

[@NigelMelanisticSmith]

The Sun Vision display works well in rooms with windows, it's just very expensive. I daily drive one in my office and it's been working great for over a year.

[@The_Horizon]

Interesting, how does that work? E-Ink? If it works so well what is the point of this product?

[@NigelMelanisticSmith]

@@The_Horizon transflective displays are like the same tech like inside of a Gameboy, just newer. So imagine the difference between a Gameboy and a book. A Gameboy needs alot of light, but a book can get by with ambient light. Additionally, a Gameboy needs constant power to show a picture, but a book can keep its image indefinitely. A similar scenario occurs with EInk and Transflective displays. Transflective displays (as of today) basically need sunlight to be visible, and require a moderate amount of power to stay functioning, but have higher refresh rates and clarity. EInk Displays have the benefit of being easier to light up, and are able to keep an image on screen with no power, but are very slow to update. Both have theirs reasons ro exist, and both have their own strengths and weaknesses.

[@Sydersteel]

You have to be careful about other factors though, such as clarity, sharpness, contrast, and overall readability. Transflective screens generates less light, but it could create eye strain from the lack of the other qualities. E-ink tends to be pretty good with all of these qualities, with the con of ghosting, full refresh cycles, and poor frame rate.

[@lubov5569]

Try accomodine integrator

[@cactus9277]

you guys should add a code editor test for these kinds of things. Normal text editors are black on a white background with weird fonts, vscode is colors on black with a monospace font.

[@yensteel]

Yeah, as said in the video, blacks have worse ghosting. It's the worst case scenario, and important to evaluate for coders.

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

@@yensteel It actually hurt me to see them not even try looking at youtube comments at all, probably because they weakened me by using light mode.

[@btd6vids]

@@yensteelYou don't need to use dark mode on a paper like display though. It actually makes sense to use light mode for e-ink

[@King-Julien]

My stupid use case would be to use it for my server that is sat in my room to glance at the status in the night by throwing my torch up at it in bed

[@viking9442]

Wealthy people have bought less for more so this is a good use case 🤣

[@LatitudeSky]

Likewise I have a couple Raspberry Pis doing mundane tasks like ad blocking and ADSB receiving. They don't need all-the-time displays but a passive e-ink would be perfect. It would likely cost too much to be worth doing but it would still be better than a couple bright LCD panels.

[@dragons_advocate]

If it makes sense for you, it is not stupid.

[@nikoraasu6929]

@@dragons_advocate that's very flawed thinking

[@palmberry5576]

@@nikoraasu6929how is it flawed? There isn’t a better solution for this use case, just alternatives due to the price

[@ReadGameCraftCook]

This is perfect for my husband who writes and edits legal documents all day every day. Anyone who works with text documents for long periods of time could benefit from this.

[@NeverDays-hw9zi]

Yes!

[@theredstormer8078]

0:25 oh cool that's me

[@vari1598]

That's kinda cool

[@AugustMcKenna]

I could also see these being used in public facing spaces. If you have a display that doesn't change too frequently. Something like menus out front of a restaurant

[@banksy215]

That's a perfect solution for a problem that doesn't even exist.

[@gearshiv]

​@@banksy215 not quite a lot of buildings use monitors for directories and some restaurants use them for seating ques and/or other restaurant info, considering how little power e ink monitors use in comparison this could be a interesting alternative especially if the economy of scale catches up as a similar size e ink costs less to manufacture than a regular monitor

[@trajectoryunown]

@@banksy215 Depends on how cheap they are. Paying $300-$1000 or even more a piece for a half dozen big TVs or displays to show menus or promotional material isn't very cost effective, especially if you've got multiple locations. If these were available for under $100, they'd be a worthy investment for many small businesses or chains. But at $1000, I can't imagine a market ever existing for them.

[@l4kr]

You can use LED backlit picture frames. 1W of power usage. Also this monitor is expensive as fuck and at that point electricity cost is certainly not the issue.

[@lunlunnnnn]

eink is already used in some places kinda like that, for example media markt (a german electronics retailer) uses red/white/black eink displays for their price tags

[@thenayancat8802]

I would strongly consider the black and white one for reading papers, books, textbooks etc. Lots of reading on a regular monitor is horrible

[@JGnLAU8OAWF6]

Unless you set brightness appropriately and sit in a properly lit room

[@ledocteur7701]

Using dark mode is a huge eye saver, especially with an Oled.

[@JGnLAU8OAWF6]

@@ledocteur7701 if your room is too dark

[@colinantink9094]

I agree. Reading on wink for hours is comfortable compared to any type of LCD, OLED etc using any settings.

[@immorttalis]

​@@JGnLAU8OAWF6No amount of adjusting is enough for regular reading with really dry eyes. EInk makes it tolerable.

[@h1Lu]

you should play DOOM on it

[@itwasntmebro2669]

I ordered one lol, I will find out.

[@RichardFraser-y9t]

Bit muddy

[@protogenxl]

Original Wolfenstein 3D would be better

[@danielkelsosmith]

@@itwasntmebro2669why? Like…. Just why?

[@chickengod3797]

you need a decent fps for doom

[@TheTechAdmin]

Colored E-ink monitors seem like the perfect display to view classic comic books. If I was a fan of reading comic books, I would definitely own one of these monitors

[@silverfeathered1]

The use case, which is a very large market, is modifiable static marketing. Event signs, restaurant menus, company signage, unlit art displays... Etc. Cutting power at night typically means your monitor signage is also cut off. Persistent signage would typically be paper in these cases, and swapped out seasonally or more. Light sensitive environments like movie theaters can use unlit e-ink for promotion within their dark rooms. Limited power environments like cruise ships can flash information on the screen and leave it on unpowered. The price tag is quite reasonable, and they know it. That market wouldn't balk at a couple thousand for a signage solution.

[@WhoTFstolemyname]

I've been waiting for the next gen of color e-ink for years at this point. The current resolution limitations make it useless for comics/text.

[@TheRavenCoder]

I have a Kobo Libra Color, and I find the 150 dpi is fine for most comics. And then when I go to read black and white text, it returns to 300 dpi. The biggest problem is the colors look faded. But if I'm reading a comic where that matters, I can use my tablet.

[@tylerbarr2740]

I have a kaleido 2 boox and its not too bad for sci papers and manga but yeah there is sure room for improvement

[@sprouting_lady]

@@Cooe. Color saturation, and the variety of problems introduced by the color filter that Linus pointed out. Greyscale performance, text clarity, and darkness all make it difficult to get behind buying a Kaleido 3 device unless you are an avid reader of almost nothing but western comics.

[@yensteel]

Right now, color E-ink isn't ready to fully replace B/W. So it's a matter of preference. It's a transition period. Kaleido 3 nor Gallery 3 have a lot of compromises. Kaleido 4 hasn't been described yet. Gallery 3 is ACEP technology, the usage of 4 different sets of particles in a single cell. But the only product that had it got reliability issues then switched to kaleido 3 in a new launch. I'm hoping they can merge the two together. 3 particles instead of 4 to be faster, and then use only 1 color filter, like green so it's not so much darker. They could do some sort of CMY technique too.

[@acegikm2274]

@@zaadbaad541 ???

[@Seed]

2:45 POSY MADE IT!!

[@scellyyt]

im proud of him

[@pablothewinner1]

POSY MENTION LETS GOOOOO

[@ChristianStout]

POSY SWEEP

[@DomiaAbrWyrda]

can't believe this bought channel is still relavant

[@MrTurbo_]

I still remember when he had 5k subs and then went to 200k in less than 2 weeks, really great to see him recognized

[@callowaysutton]

This is why I wish RLCDs / Transflective displays would make a comeback. You could get them up to like 120hz and they had incredible contrast for black and white content, especially in sunlight, with the downside being slightly washed out colors and viewing angles being equivalent to VA panels.

[@NigelMelanisticSmith]

LTT made a video about Sun Vision Display's RLCD monitor. I have one myself, and it fits my needs perfectly. Sun Vision is the best Western RLCD manufacturer right now IMO, though they don't have 120hz like you mentioned.

[@bocahdongo7769]

Nah, even VA has surprisingly acceptable viewing angle. Those thing is pretty much worse than TN

[@callowaysutton]

@@NigelMelanisticSmith I didn't realize, just finished watching it and I just wish they had included a backlight like on the OLPC laptops

[@NigelMelanisticSmith]

@@callowaysutton for sure. Some cheaper Chinese RLCD brands do have the backlights, but they aren't full desktop monitor size like Sun Vision

[@yensteel]

Yeah, T-LCD isn't a new technology since pixel-qi made them pre 2010. It's nice to see at least one company take the torch. Eye care and Outdoor friendliness are the new arenas for all devices, whether it's in high nits and high pwm for OLED or an alternative technology like T-LCD or E-ink. There's some other techs too. Forgot their names. Edit: EFD/EFPD display from Hannstar was the other tech, and CH-LCD. The first looks dark like Kaleido 3 but without ghosting, the other is super slow in refresh rate, slower than e-ink, but the colors pop out like LCD.

[@biggie_tea]

You can say what you want about digital eye strain, but when I had a concussion, I could barely interact with screens in stores, but my ereader was fine for hours on end

[@stevethepocket]

I thought of an interesting use case for e-ink recently. You know those signboards that Epcot has (had?) that post the wait times for every ride in the park, cycling between two or three screens worth every few seconds? Imagine being able to build a sign like that but it's designed to look like a printed sign. It would be on a slat with a screen on both sides, inset into a box so you can only see the front side, and every few seconds the slats all flip over like an old-school billboard to show the next "page" of attractions. Except while it's showing those, the ones on the back side secretly slow-refresh to update the wait times or, if there are more than two "pages", cue up the next page. The best part is, you wouldn't even need a color display. Just customize the two colors to whatever color scheme you want your sign to be. Black and yellow, green and white, brown and beige, etc. It's perfectly readable in direct sunlight, and it can fit in with any theming.

[@Zayfod]

I wonder what the technical limitation is that stops all the beads in a cell being pigmented so they could do sub-pixels the normal way.

[@Ornithopter470]

Size, probably. Either that or problems with driving the pixels

[@Mr.Vertex]

I think that is pretty much what's going on there, they are just calling the subpixels as full pixels so they can market it as higher resolution if I understand correctly.

[@_invencible_]

@@Mr.Vertex yeah linus explained there's two ways to do it. either you have multi-color beads inside each cell, or you have three "types" of cells each with a different color, which is what we see on this monitor. yeah i guess size is the biggest limitation here but i don't know

[@yensteel]

It's definitely the lack of a strong lighting source that limits the size of the pixels, similar to the limitation of R-LCD. Light needs to go in, hit the E-ink cells, then go back through the color filter. LMG here has a nice video on that. If color E-ink gets more saturation, the whites would be even duller like for transparent color folders. Kaleido plus, the previous version was said to be whiter and brighter than Kaleido 3.

[@yensteel]

​@@Mr.VertexYep, there's two sets of DPI. Color DPI is 150 and B/W is 300 DPI for 10 inch devices, although that's only true for b, not w. (YT alg, please don't misinterpret this)

[@Vge21x]

If it didn't cost what it costs, I would *love* to have one for writing.

[@HyenaPlayGames]

This color e-ink makes this video look like a VHS tape with rotoscoping.

[@Deja117]

12:25 guess what Linus. Some places don't have practices as sane as LMG and just expect you to stare at a computer for an email all day until lunch, then again after it. I feel quite lucky that there's a window right where my screen is, so I can just look outside at the nice brick wall and see what the weather is like. But still. I wish they'd encourage 5-10 minute breaks every hour or two. Where you should stretch and talk to someone at a distant corner of the office.

[@jamesphillips2285]

I wonder if OSHA has anything to say about that.

[@Deja117]

@@jamesphillips2285 well okay I may of been a little melodramatic with it. Can get up and walk around whenever there's no meetings, but it's the fact that no 9-5 desk job highlights health in computing these days. That's old news now already. 😅

[@finndriver1063]

Honestly, I want this for programming. Syntax highlighting is important to me and I don't massively need smooth video playback or super duper sharp fonts.

[@jordanm2984]

I still really, really want an e-ink monitor. I want it for reading pdfs, ebooks, and SHEET MUSIC! It's just a matter of price. I'm just waiting for the ~$300 price point. Way too expensive right now.

[@uranblut]

But why? Any 200$ monitor will be better :). Also you have real colors _and_ sharp looking text / fonts.

[@kaya-sem]

You completely miss the point, clearly

[@l4kr]

Buy one of those large e-books. They are better in every way and you can put them anywhere. Like, what's the point of sheet music if you have to plug it into wall in the computer room?

[@etiennedud]

*all are e-ink

[@pixelmaster98]

@@l4kr 1:1 sized e-ink tablets are, unfortunately, very expensive. I know you can get 10 inch tablets at a somewhat affordable price point, but if you want ones the size of actual sheets of paper (e.g. A4, or around 13 inch), you have to shell out a lot or get shit products. I personally have an Onyx Tab X which I'm quite happy with, but it's far from affordable.

[@mattmers]

Linus: Has super sophisticated Lab for testing devices. Also Linus: Used $15 amazon low-res microscope to look at pixels.

[@Metal_Maxine]

better than the time Linus and Alex sat a real (heavy) microscope on a monitor.

[@Hadeks_Marow]

They are testing it on-site. It's impressive that they brought any tech to test it at all.

[@HyviaVideoitaMansenlale]

It is good to show for how cheap you could do it yourself every now and then.

[@Steamrick]

Frankly, the cheapo microscope was good enough for the testing done on this monitor... it's not like measuring the color gamut on this one would really help anyone make a buying decision. We already know it's crap just from looking at it for three seconds.

[@oliverer3]

They're easy to move around and point in arbitrary directions. 🤷

[@jameswatts6787]

"My monitor no longer works". "Oh you need to top up your cyan and magenta ink"

[@sandmaster4444]

"Your cyan and magenta ink subscriptions expired!"

[@aokaze-minotaur]

Don’t give HP any ideas…

[@eddythefool]

​@@aokaze-minotaurwe cannot come up with anything worse than what they dream up

[@RuslanIvanyuk-ub8fj]

- And don't forget yellow, it needs a regular refill! - But... we barely used any yellow...? - It. Needs. A. Refill.

[@whytho1690]

@@RuslanIvanyuk-ub8fj Forgot which video or comment under a video it was, but they mentioned that yellow was used to "watermark" a picture to identify which printer it came from. That's why it'd always run out of yellow so much.

[@burnin8orable]

Color e-ink displays would be great for reading comics on an ereader.

[@noobahoi]

You did forget to set up Windows ClearType for better fonts.

[@KitBetts-Masters]

Yes, I was thinking that bud. Thanks to you! That should make text clearer through all the modes though. But, to be fair, Dasung need to have that in their quick start guide. 🙂

[@yensteel]

They did discuss that in their previous video. Theres no mention of it here though. So who knows. Oh hey KittBett-Masters! Great livestream!

[@noobahoi]

@@KitBetts-Masters Yeah, I must sound like a defective record for mentioning it again and again. ;-)

[@aaronmdjones]

I don't believe Windows knows about offset triangular staggered pixel layouts as far as text rendering goes. ClearType is all about subpixel layout, and these aren't subpixels.

[@chris-pee]

@@aaronmdjones I'm pretty sure they should disable ClearType and disable text smoothing (Smooth edges of screen fonts), since there are no subpixels here.

[@afksolitude]

Those pixels kinda look like Tetris 😂

[@ElykMuablhats]

I feel like this could work really well for the tabletop gaming tables with built in monitors for maps.

[@ElykMuablhats]

@@seigeengine Cost was never mentioned in my comment, and for static images it looked fine. Not to mention the e-ink nature gives a bit of nostalgia to when these games were pencil and paper only.

[@ElykMuablhats]

@@seigeengine And to a lot of people and monitor types they looks like garbage when laid flat and looking from bad angles. Lets also see you argue around the fact that some people need to use displays like this or none at all, so what do we do then? I also never claimed that this would be a good/perfect idea right now, simply a possibility. Why cant we just appreciate the good qualities of a product and where they can take us in the future? Or do we just watch a review to hate on a product even though there could be perfectly valid use case's for it, now or in the future? Or did I miss the entire point of this channel for the last 15 years?

[@nikoraasu6929]

cool idea, the costs would be EXTREME though

[@ElykMuablhats]

@@nikoraasu6929 Again, costs were never considered in my comment. When I started playing Dungeons and Dragons 25 years ago we also had the idea to put a computer monitor into our table to use for digital maps, unfortunately at the time the technology was far too expensive and cumbersome to consider "at the time". Now that is more than an available option. In time, I think it would also be feasible for this to work and combine digital with a pen and paper type aesthetic

[@FyberOptic]

It's like we're back to MDA vs CGA.

[@m.hosseinmahmoodi]

CGA looked better that this

[@jackgotgamez]

And..that’s a good thing right…?

[@LaskyLabs]

MDA and Hercules look amazing though. On a CRT with no shadow mask, with amber phosphor, it's incredible.

[@EWARS_2]

Fr

[@EdgarAndEdgar]

7:20 that dude was tripping. looks waaay better on the color one

[@HolarMusic]

I have just general eye strain. The best advice I can give is to always adjust the brightness to roughly match the environment. Blue light glasses also help a ton, they literally make the difference between blood-shot eyes and NOT for me.

[@FuchsDanin]

I'm genuinely upset that you didn't cover power draw.

[@downey2294]

i would assume it draws more power than a lcd while watching videos. but barely draws anything if anything at all with still images. can't be sure until its tested though.

[@TechWizardBoctulus]

It's SO LITTLE.

[@mamaharumi]

I'd love an e-ink as a second monitor, and it'd be great in portrait. The tech gets better every year, but it's not there just yet.

[@jubuttib]

12:10 I don't think a lit display is the problem, but I definitely get eyestrain if I look at a screen that's TOO bright for extended periods of time. Calibrating to ~100 nits on desktop use and using minimum legible brightness when reading on a phone definitely helps.

[@Nostalgia_Realm]

While I absolutely love this technology, the low refresh rate and image retention would irk me so much that it's pretty much unusable. Would love to hear thoughts from someone that actually uses this or a similar display because a normal display doesn't work for them.

[@Jason-mk3nn]

You still keep missing the signage use case for e-ink. For point of sale, or tags (like large retailers like Kohls, Aldi already use).

[@drumphil00]

Reminds me of early/mid 90's laptop screens.

[@1337Atreyu]

I want to see Return of the Obra Din on an e-ink display

[@Valet2]

wow, exactly!

[@OwnerOfStarcraft2]

I've been waiting for this! but what I really want is a Color E-ink Portable Wireless monitor, for industrial use on the shop floor.

[@TechnicalAkshay]

Someone who spends 12 hours a day on screen like software developers, This monitor is heaven for him

[@stephens7136]

I feel like the only way to get decent colour out of e-ink that doesn't kill the brightness would be using the fluorescent pigments they use in q-led/ "quantum dot" displays, so it's not just filtering out 2/3rds of the light.

[@redex68]

0:47 the morse code says PAPERLIKE253 DASUNG

[@ChalidRaqami]

Awesome video and explanation! Glad to see Color E-Ink is getting more recognition lately. I suspect we'll see a Kindle Color sooner than many realize, but not with the color filter approach, but with colored E-Ink particles (=E-Ink Gallery 3).

[@ExplicableCashew]

Say what you will about its usefulness, but the refresh rate and the reduced ghosting are ASTONISHING compared to just a few years ago. The tech is still in the early adopter stage, sure, but I am already blown away by the progress

[@EragoEntertainment]

I think LCD with reflective layer actually has more potential. I would love to have a tablet to draw on and read Comics, while having a 1-60Hz VRR that also makes it somewhat usable for video calling. Also the Monitor with the reflective layer you reviewed looked much better for colour. Drawing on a E-Ink sucks compared to an LCD.

[@Raletia]

I saw a video recently about a product like that. It's titled something like '60hz e-paper tablet' It's.. not as readable looking as e-ink and you lose the battery life advantage e-ink has with static elements. It had a pen if I a remember?

[@TheArchitect515]

This is just the next step in the innovation of E Ink displays. Every display technology sucked before it got good. I appreciate the display on Kindles and such, and would appreciate this for productivity if it continues to develop.

[@fly1ngsh33p7]

I want this as a digital picture frame that does not need constant power and can hold an image for a long time

[@eddythefool]

That's my plan, but I'll wait ten years until it's actually affordable

[@downey2294]

​@@eddythefool unlikely. these e-ink screens are manufactured by one company (e-ink holdings based in taiwan). they have a complete monopoly over the entire e-ink market. the tech/innovation moves incredibly slow for the same reason.

[@eddythefool]

​@@downey2294guess I'll have to wait 20 years then

[@goodman854]

There is pretty decent info the blue light might trick your brain into thinking it's morning. So if you are on your PC late at night this can have a real effect. Using software like f.lux works well. And if you actively use it you'll actually find it probably makes you tired as it gets progressively more orange. This would fall in line with the same way plants work where different wave lengths or light help the plant do different things.

[@meneldal]

I believe the research said something among the lines of it's not really blue that does this, it's just light in general and blue just marginally more because it's stronger compared to red (per photon). Also part of the gains are from cutting UV that many monitors don't filter out properly

[@yensteel]

I was there... 3000 years ago when F.lux was the only way to cut down on blue light.. dark mode didn't even exist so I inverted the screen....

[@TSLstudio2010]

I would really like an e-ink e-reader... it's just that e-readers like the Kobo Aura and Clara Colour get normal e-reader sized screens, which is just working for normal comics. Especially since you want to zoom in more and the screens are quite slow. But I don't think an e-in monitor is the best solution... Sure, lots of people are saying why don't you use a tablet instead... but me for that's just way too tiring for my eyes.

[@yensteel]

There's E-ink tablets like the Boox lineups. They're great for comic and manga reading. They now have a new refresh rate tech that makes them refresh faster with less ghosting too.

[@GotoFail]

@seigeengine ummm, where are you getting that e-ink isn't better for your eyes? There are multiple studies showing less visual fatigue when using e-ink.

[@zekejoule2292]

I'm disappointed you didn't test this outside against a normal 1080p/4k monitor. The only reason I'd buy one is if I was outside or in an office with daylight shining in where I'd otherwise need a 1000+ nit display.

[@Derek.Mitchell]

I really appreciate the moment to talk about their medical claims and how to care for your eyes. Most people won’t notice or care, but it helps build trust. Big props to whichever writer said ‘hey, we’ve got a responsibility to address this’

[@insertfunnynamehere9910]

15:28, they may be charging $1649, but that does not mean that's what its worth lol

[@Avgosbos]

i'd rather pay 16,49 for that thing dawg

[@Daktyl198]

(A) They're the only company making E-Ink monitors so, unfortunately they can charge whatever they want. (B) It's probably not a product you have a strong want/need for.

[@Avgosbos]

@@Daktyl198 also who th thought e-ink monitors would be a good idea at first

[@ledocteur7701]

The problem is that they need a whole production chain for this thing, and they know almost nobody is gonna buy it. They have a really high margin on it, at least 400% , but that's probably still just barely enough to make a profit.

[@bocahdongo7769]

I mean We talked about PC enthusiast that keep dreaming weird enterprise stuff to make their setup bit more hipster, yet they ask with fraction of price

[@dracekidjr]

Ok text editing might be much more doable if you have it in portrait. You could have the text larger and more readable and not lose out on how much is on your screen. That being said, I could see this being moved into a more commercial use for signage and displays on food trucks. They don't need to refresh often, it would be cheaper than custom printing signage when you need to alter it, and it wouldn't need to push out a significant amount of power to accommodate the brightness of the sun.

[@yensteel]

Portrait mode using 16:9/10. Is king for document editing 👍. Nearly no need to scroll for each page. It's even better in full screen.

[@thar_cubes]

11:32 wohh the said "really well !" In sync😅

[@nomokolinomokoli319]

What I don't understand with colored e-ink is why they are doing it RGB instead of CMYK. It seem to me that if you are trying to imitate color paper with limited means applying color, you would look at what we did in the past with printing technology. RGB makes sens for a light emissive display like the ones we are used to, but e-ink is more of a light reflective display like paper is, so I feel you would get better color accuracy and you would also get better greys and blacks with a CMYK type of sub pixel.

[@jamesphillips2285]

Some early colour dot matrix printers used Yellow, Red, Blue, Black. They did not have great colour reproduction. Images looked bad and were slow to print (brightness varied with ink saturation in the ribbon). But by mixing those colours you could get: Orange, Green, Purple.

[@thejumper9303]

I got a colour e-ink display on my boox e-reader. I really enjoy using it. So far I have noticed only two big downsides: Dark mode and anything with motion. But only dark mode bothers me

[@KeeperOfKale222]

I love the idea of paper like screens, if only it was high res and smooth with high framerates!

[@TheRavenCoder]

Unfortunately those are the limitations of the technology. For resolution, you can only make the particles so small. For the refresh rate, it takes time for the old particles to fall off the screen and the new particles to rise up. You can slightly speed this up, but you'll end up with ghosting until you do a slow full refresh.

[@Jeebus-un6zz]

​@@TheRavenCoder I mean, the video phone was a terrible idea and now we have FaceTime. Maybe this particular approach to this idea sucks, but the idea itself I personally think is great.

[@TheRavenCoder]

@@Jeebus-un6zz Don't get me wrong, I love e-ink displays. I've owned various e-ink readers for the past 14 years, with my most recent one being the new Kobo Libra Color. But e-ink will never be a good replacement for computer monitors (except in very specific cases). High resolution and high refresh rates are at odds with how the technology works at what makes it good as an e-reader.

[@yensteel]

That's definitely a physical limitation that's hard to fully resolve. If it gets to 60hz, it would likely use more power than OLED and wear out within a year. EFD (Eco-Friendly Display) or EFPD by Hannstar is an alternative technology that has a great balance.

[@Postbus22]

Alexibexi also uploaded a terrible E Ink monitor today.

[@christianmino3753]

He uploaded the whole monitor?

[@FlixSir]

Ah, I See You're a Man of Culture As Well

[@ancientaliensarecoming7201]

Who

[@Xenoray1]

Diese Kommentarsektion ist nun Eigentum der Bundesrepublik Deutschland.

[@babiesthealer4]

10:46 "Do you realize? DO YOU REALIZE? DO YOU REALIZE something? Let me tell you, if the Health Department of Greene County sees those videos that you put on the damn Internet. They could condemn our house, and we would have to move out of it?"- Bob Chandler

[@PC_YouTube_Channel]

Came here just for this. Thank you.

[@ratvomit874]

This might actually be useful for people working with printed images since it can potentially be made to display directly in CMYK, given that the gamut for CMYK is very small and there are plenty of vibrant colours in even sRGB that will not print in CMYK. Also it's standard practice for RGB displays to have twice as many green pixels as red and blue, because the human eye is most sensitive to green light so the display needs to show more of it for colours to look correct. In fact, this is the basis behind YPbPr TV coloring - specify how much of the light is red and blue, the rest is green by default

[@jamesphillips2285]

Except the particular display shown is using RGB.

[@davidbetancourt4028]

3:02 I see what you did there, ha! I hope this tech keeps getting innovated. I'd be tempted to grab one for outside use if the quality was better.

[@Thymesicle]

3:10 closlier?!

[@EddieCYChow]

5:20 is totally a bootleg Tetris loading screen

[@AzizAlshehri7]

Would love to play a grindy game such as D2 on this monitor to not get eye strain

[@Tall_Order]

Now for some reason I'm imagining someone trying to play World of Warcraft on it. lol

[@itsmikemccall]

I'm just happy that these are finally in mass production so I can look forward to e-ink poster frames.

[@SumUnicus]

They have a big problem here... WHY do they keep the technic to keep a picture when the power goes out? U dont need that in a stationary monitor you are working with.

[@thomasnikolaus4395]

Onyx Boox has a color tablet

[@stepmi]

Several series of them, spanning for few generations.

[@DuneArchitect]

I really like my boox Nova C. I just got my Dasung color monitor and it's basically useless. Have the OG black and white one from them and really liked it- really unfortunate this one isn't able to bring together settings for any meaningful use case.

[@tamparockout17]

Fuck it, I'm buying a ReMarkable tablet.

[@TehButterflyEffect]

Why swear like a child?

[@mathman0569]

@@TehButterflyEffect Why are you getting offended over that lol

[@washeranddryer-fu2ld]

​@@TehButterflyEffect Get over it bro. Swearing is a normal part of today's lingo.

[@tamparockout17]

@@TehButterflyEffect who cares

[@tobster786]

​@@TehButterflyEffectwhy is it a problem?

[@nhuergop]

Some people have serious health issues with their eyes. I wouldnt call it the worst monitor ever.

[@robspithoff4332]

I think E-Ink makes much more sense in tablet form than as a monitor. The massively extended battery life is an easy selling point. I have the Onyx Boox Nova Air C colour E-Ink e-reader/drawing tablet and I find it fantastic for both reading and taking handwritten notes. The colour definitely isn't fantastic (it looks like the newer Dasung technology is better) but the freedom to write or highlight in various colours is a big plus, and Onyx's newer colour tablet might have improved.

[@ZoeyLauren]

I've really enjoyed how the last several videos have been scripted, I love the turns-to-another-camera action everyone is doing when moving onto another point or section and the way it's edited. Also the natural way the acting and script delivery comes across is great. Great stuff IMO!

[@rythomas8477]

9:40 the floatplane referance😂

[@glaubhafieber]

My color e-ink phone case can’t even display green 😂

[@hamzah.t07]

Woah where did you get a color e-ink phone case from!!??

[@yensteel]

Thst sounds like something fancy that IBM showed off for their cars. The military is also researching this for adaptive camouflage.

[@valhallasashes4354]

That monitor is really reminding me of the Windows 95 days using the 256 colors setting.

[@Hadeks_Marow]

What I would really like is a gameboy light style implementation of this tech. Where the monitor has 2 layers. Standard LED, but you could mode-switch it to E-ink for a "night mode" style of use. That plus an auto-refresh feature built in. E-ink has a place as a mode, but not a place as a replacement for standardized LEDs.

[@bland9876]

I wonder how well this display would work for if you had some kind of Linux computer that only had the terminal and didn't have a desktop environment installed?

[@StupidEdits]

congrats for finding the one watchmen page you can put on youtube

[@neilreilly3966]

I'm not trapped in this E-Ink monitor with you, you're trapped in this E-Ink monitor with me!!!

[@rythomas8477]

Colored e-ink? Lemme see

[@mosurikutenpi]

E ink monitors? With colour? HERETICS

[@lvn5609]

Colour instead of color??? HERETICSSS

[@Stepher45]

@@lvn5609it’s British.

[@MostlyPennyCat]

You'd have to completely rencode the video for the display, with some vision dithering or something

[@Horschti135]

Well, this timing is superb. I just received my color e-ink tablet yesterday. So far i'm actually impressed by how nice it is to use.

[@nimbusshadow-wings]

someone tell technology connections.

[@theSCARB]

When will this beardless stranger era end??

[@Metal_Maxine]

When Linus has finished re-painting his motorcycle (it will be pink with a sparkle undercoat), he can't wear his respirator with a beard. Yvonne declared herself Team Beard early on, so it will be back.

[@theSCARB]

@@Metal_Maxine hehe ok

[@gavin-qs5br]

I feel like I'm being talked to like I'm a toddler

[@Hathos9]

Don't be easily offended like a toddler XD

[@gavin-qs5br]

@@Hathos9 I'm not really offended I'm just voicing the feeling I got from this episode in hopes it improves the content

[@yensteel]

He often tries to explain relatively foreign tech like that. LMG is mainstream oriented, to appeal to a large audience, including non-techies. They have been educational in many ways imo.

[@Hathos9]

Also, it is important to consider that not everyone is a subject matter expert in every topic. Let's say I design processors for a living. I am an expert with CPU architecture, but not with E-INK display tech. I don't want the video to assume I am an expert and use acronyms and terms that I would have to constantly pause to look up. LTT makes videos for a large variety of topics, and nobody is going to be a subject matter expert for all of them, so their videos have to be easy to understand. This is different than channels that focus on a specific topic, like HDTVTest.

[@S1su]

The back lighting is morse code meaning ”Paper like 253 dasung”

[@IOUaUsername]

If your eyes hurt it's not the colour. It's the brightness. Put a piece of paper next to your monitor. If a white webpage is brighter than the reflected light off the paper, your brightness is too high. If you have natural light where you use your PC, run Twinkle Tray so you can change the brightness as the natural light changes. An IPS screen which can do this automatically with a very accurate brightness sensor would be the supreme monitor for eyestrain without tradeoffs.

[@camsfour4177]

But... Can it run crysis?

[@schon_gezahlt]

AlexiBexi hat das selbe video heute hochgeladen xD

[@techhelpportal7778]

Dass für er gut ist, ich finde das langweilig.

[@techhelpportal7778]

Ist er Linus Sebastian, ich denke dass nicht.

[@schon_gezahlt]

@@techhelpportal7778 ???

[@4RILDIGITAL]

Color E-Ink seems promising but perhaps not quite there yet for most use cases.

[@darthhodges]

If the price came down I could see in-person businesses buying these to use for a slideshow advertising sales or new items. Assuming it has lower power consumption and very long life with no risk of burn-in compared to common LCD monitors.

[@regisdumoulin]

This monitor is perfect for working outside in bright sunshine a situation where a standard monitor fails miserably. I'd love this as a *second* monitor to work in my garden in the summer