Path Of Exile Ruined Me

After playing Path of Exile for the first time 6 months ago, I don't think I can ever enjoy another ARPG again. It really is the S Tier ARPG in my opinion. I think if I had not played it, I would enjoy Diablo 4 a lot more. Ignorance is bliss.
Thanks to Lily for the lightbulb moment and link to her video here:
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[@OsG1987]

This is me aswell right now! I played the hell out of D4 first 2 seasons then discovered PoE. I just can't get back into D4 at the moment. I think it's the lack of variations of skills that kills it for me where PoE has endless possibilities and variations to choose from.

[@fetzidetzi]

well and true, but i think PoE players (especially content creators) treat it more like a vacation kinda deal, diablo is way simpler and easier to chill out, which is "worse" than PoE in terms of what it offers and dont get me wrong PoE has that chill factor aswell but with a way higher entry fee. I am myself a long time PoE player and i could never put as much time into diablo 4 as i did into PoE (almost 3k so far) but its nice to play something similar ARPG style just with way less brain function :D It definitely falls off quicker, I now have about 20 hours into the d4 season (yeah not alot) but thats almost enough for the itch, translated to PoE that would be about hours to scratch it the same and i wouldn´t stop there. Just my 2 cents tho ;)

[@mattb6646]

If you had 10k+ hrs in poe you'd probably be playing some d4 right now. I think its just how 'new' yall are to poe

[@Tombitp]

II cursed and never play with the different character build options, always know what i want to play and stick with it, hate games which content is dependent on trying different builds cause for they are short cause of that. Till day i play only one class in wow, tried so many times other classes but quickly go back to my main, same with ARPG's like PoE where entire content is just different way of killing mobs, build variety completly dont interest me.

[@daath912]

I have 15k+ in poe. In my down time I played quite a bit of brotato, around 200h since crucible. Right now killing floor2 is my poe holiday (my nephew checked my dteam profile, now we are voth addicted :D ) I don't really enjoy other arpgs anymore. Something always feels wrong about all of them.

[@Marb.Gaming]

I am 43 years old, I have been playing Diablo since it was released with D1. D4 is a game which broke me, I survived for 2 weeks of season1 - than I just uninstalled and never going back to it again. I have found a home with Last Epoch.

[@Zutang777]

it’s actually come along way. S4 is actually enjoyable to play. And it has a lot of new ways to scale your characters powers. It’s still a little bit bare bones 🦴 kinda like LE. but it’s like 200% better then it was.

[@MrJustin1m]

@@Zutang777 i got 3 days out of it, game still sucks lol

[@PatSplat-ig4md]

I wanted to like Last Epoch but I guess there's just something about the art style and the totally bland subject matter that turns me off. And then the classes seem like weak alternatives to not use the tropes set by Diablo.

[@newax_productions2069]

@@Zutang777 Only 1 significant problem, it's too little too late.

[@Kangaroo_NickYT]

​@newax_productions2069 this is subjective.

[@kyliemcdaniel]

There is a reason I've been playing poe for over 10 years and I'm still excited like Christmas morning for new league announcements. It's just not even close.

[@boohennessy4638]

Bang on. The closest thing I've had to that giddy feeling waiting for santa as a kid.

[@AnimaPrisma_]

PoE is just one of those games where you keep coming back to. You surely take your breaks and it's actually recommended so that you don't burn out, but you can always keep coming back whenever you get the itch for an ARPG. P.D.: Once you get to know everything you have to know about PoE, you will finally be able to just play other stuff whenever you are done with each league

[@nibelungvalesti]

Getting to know everything is impossible because all of it changes every league.

[@AnimaPrisma_]

@nibelungvalesti not really. I understand the general gist of most things and I can easily reach a "satisfied" point every league where I can just be done until the next one. You don't really need to play a whole league to enjoy the game in all of its depths. The more knowledge you gain, the faster you will clear content each league and the faster you will learn the most important details of what there is to learn. Sure, they can mix and match stuff every league, and that is what keeps the game fresh, but you will still know most of what you need to know already to be efficient enough.

[@kerchstval8916]

Never logged back in and wont sadly game lost me after the 2nd season im still playing poe this is the first time ive magic find and its like a whole new world for me so much so i rerolled a new character just to MF im on my 11th character

[@hawg_tv]

You ain’t missin nothin. Its not fun to play and it’s not fun for the audience to watch live 😂

[@kerchstval8916]

@@hawg_tv lmao i figured they lucky poe 2 got pushed back theyd be cooked

[@MrHorcane]

D4 is fun, but only for 1-2 weeks. if you wanna blast the only thing out there is poe

[@hawg_tv]

Amen brother

[@Truthseeker-iz3dj]

Best blast for 1 week is d3, the combat fluidity can't be matched in any arpg. PoE if you want a game that you can stuck into for a long time. D4 has come a long way and is 100% headed in the right direction. Will be better than d2 and d3 within 2 years imo.

[@MaKs2K5]

@@Truthseeker-iz3dj D2 is miles ahead of D3 and D4 is becoming slowly a Diablo 3 and the game is baaaad!

[@youtoobz146]

POE is the best ARPG ever made, hands down. Without a shadow of a doubt.

[@Truthseeker-iz3dj]

@@youtoobz146 D4 hasn't even got leaderboards yet for its main endgame content but season 4 has been far better.

[@larrykenneybrew6632]

For me personally I think my problem with both of the games is the lack of social features. I played D2 and loved it because of its time the internet wasn't as a big deal so I was highly content playing alone. Then came D3 which I came into late and all the social features where there for me in the beginning jumping in GR's and trying to beat my friends and then playing with those friends to try to beat out someone on the leader boards with a group. I have noticed im more inclined to play games with friends thats what keeps me coming back the competition between me and my friend group. However D4 lost most of my friends whom have play all diablo games and they wont return. I get I could hop on discord and find people to play with I just don't want to do that im currently on console. POE and even last epoch reignited the creator within me and made me play just to test builds even without playing with friends... with all this being said D4 is showing signs of promise which could potentially bring back players and thats good enough for me to entertain the game with one character each season until its fun again. I have enjoyed the game so far and once I get bored ill leave and play something else. I don't care to support or not support a game for its ethics... im supporting fun and entertainment for me. Play it if its fun, if its not fun don't play it. Its too easy

[@Arxius84]

I played, and freaking loved Diablo1. I played, and even more loved Diablo2. I didnt played much Diablo3, it was as feeling the game I loved was turning into different person. Because of that, I found PoE. PoE ruined me too, because now I know, there is always hope, when your favorite game get ruined, you have hope to find new one. Oh and D4? Sorry, doesn't even feel like any Diablo anymore. As I said, that I loved Diablo2 even more than 1... I expect loving PoE2 also more than PoE1.

[@synitare3171]

The car metaphor is really accurate. Most people will go their whole lives without ever driving a high-end sports car, and most of them will also have no desire to do so. They'll all be perfectly happy with what they drive. Some will stick with a Prius, some will go for something higher performance but not quite over the line like a Civic SI and the like. But if you're someone that's actually looking for a "super car" and all that it entails, you'll never really be satisfied with anything else.

[@Pogey_Bait]

I remember saying something akin this to you before you had tried PoE right when D4 came out. Glad you get it. You had liked that comment and had said something at the time in reply, as you were about to give PoE a go.

[@jakubmucha6629]

You literally hit the nail here. I'm Diablo veteran here as well but after 5 years in PoE it is literally not possible to comeback to Sanctuary. I tried D4 first in Beta, later during free weekend and after 15-20 min I got so much annoyed that I removed the game.

[@rogerh2694]

Happy for you Hawg seeing you in a better mood playing PoE. I played some D3 & D4 but not crazy about "repeating" every season and PoE may have better answers for that but iso arpg's may be too time consuming for me due to the grind so I'm testing out other genre's in the meantime. PoE2 does look promising though so hope to really connect with your videos again once that's out!

[@hawg_tv]

Have you tried 7 days to die? It is coming out of early access very soon. It is a very fun game

[@LemurcheBG]

Haven't logged in to D4 since week 2 season 1 and since I quit PoE's league early this time i was tempted to give it another go with the new loot but seeing feedback more and more for this season i'm gonna give it another season or two before I try it out again.

[@zenoen]

I stopped playing other ARPG's because i have POE. I have made a exception for D2 Resurrected but other then that i have no desire to look for another ARPG. It's like when you get a new TV to play a Movies in 4K, going back to your 1080p TV even for a short while is just not something you want to do.

[@hawg_tv]

This feels like 420p with static 😂

[@Doggowoofenbark]

I played PoE when it came out because it legit was a full on diablo 2 clone. Its grown alot over the years, I still can love both PoE and D4.

[@kyfeam]

been playing POE since 2013.. 12.5k hours played.. still play every day literally.. still learning new stuff.. just got my first toon to lvl 100 a few weeks ago.. POE has a deep learning curve.. but thats what makes it so much fun..

[@Riastrad04]

Thumbs up for the Yugo analogy, Glad someone else remembers those shitty little cars. 20 year D2 player, 8-10k hour PoE player, (used the GGG launcher since beta, not sure exactly). Itemization and the grind keep me hooked. i have a hard time enjoying any other ARPG's

[@hawg_tv]

😂😂😂

[@slot2]

Who else is hyped AF for PoE 2?

[@NikolianYT]

Thanks for making this video man. I’ve been feeling exactly the same way. Played Diablo 2 back in the day, And I’ve logged in d4 once a day this week trying to get back into it, but I don’t last longer than 30 minutes. There are so many MAJOR things I’m missing in the game, along side content that just makes POE feel like the winner by a landslide. At a foundation level, D4 is simple, limited, no sense of community (no global chat) everyone’s doing their own thing, and no economy. After getting level 38 doing helltides, I asked.. what else can I do and everyone playing, literally responded with that’s it. I want to like diablo so bad, but they would have to make the game complex for it to even have a chance, but then they would risk it not being appealing to the general casual gamers.

[@Weslicus]

Based video. I played the new D4 season. Had fun till i hit level 50 then i quit. At that point its just farm the same gear you have but this time it says "sacred" only to make it to world T4 and to it AGAIN. And for what? The privilege to farm Duriel? I'm on my 3rd PoE character this league and thinking about making a 4th. I don't think ill finish 1 in Diablo.

[@hawg_tv]

Same bro. Dipped out at 48

[@backalleyburrito1815]

It feels like trying to choose between prime rib or hotdogs. I like hotdogs, but damn prime rib is the shit.

[@TwiceOneTime]

To me. When I first tried the new Diablo season, it took me awhile to like the game. (I still dont) I was looking for it to play like POE but I had to tell myself it's a different game. It's not a POE replacement. It's just another game. So I tried to find what it did well and see if that would hook me... well 25 hours later. Back to poe.

[@MrKsan05]

"It's Hawg Baby" That is THE best intro on KZbin. I walk around my house driving my wife crazy because I keep saying "It's Hawg Baby" I also hate Diablo 4, my reason is because they did so much damage to me when I first paid a lot for the game, and I was excited for season 1 and they nerfed everything into the ground. I never got over that and I lost all respect for them and when I hear the name Diablo 4 I get angry now. I never tried PoE but I am LOVING Last Epoch, that game is 20 times what Diablo 4 is and I don't see leaving it for Diablo 4 trash.

[@keithbrown1551]

PoE did not ruin you at all. You are now used to playing a game that is genuinely better than anything else in its genre. This is what happened when D4 came out. I just kept saying this isnt Path everytime i logged on. As always we see eye to eye. Much love buddy.

[@moomar1964]

I am glad you feel that way about PoE, still it is an Opinion. I feel there are at least 2 better than PoE. Again my opinion. There are people who don't even like any Top-down games, again their opinion. I would like to see you join our community, The House of Hawg. If you do swing by Moo’s voice channel, I would love to discuss it.

[@keithbrown1551]

@moomar1964 This is famous btw hahaha. Don't worry I think Grim dawn is also a decent looking game.

[@mattb6646]

I've played poe for the last 9 years, im enjoying d4 a bit. Poe is still a better game but I've played more than enough poe to have a little break enjoying something else

[@gravellergear4703]

Yeah, one part where POE arises above the rest is community trading. Making money. Other games are weak in the part.

[@LezArtist5iG]

I never bought D4. I waited until the reviews were out. Then went back to playing PoE with an Unstable Minions build with Power Siphon. Right now i'm in Standard, testing to see if a physical to cold Bow Gladiator Bleed with Freeze, Chill, and Chain, does more or less than Ice Shot with Bleed, Fork, Chain. I feel sorry for the players that wasted money on D4, a game that won't rival anything until the last expansion drops at the 20th Season... Just in time for PoE 3, to drop for Android, Console, PC, and Apple games store. 😸👍🥰😻💘

[@samuelfraser8922]

I have fun with it because I don’t have much time for much else right now, even still I don’t get into it like used to for D3 so it gets a 6.5/10 from me but I’m sure that number would go down once I get to level 100, it’s fine. I’m really looking forward to POE 2. POE 1 seems kinda daunting to me, I kinda just wanna wait but who knows maybe I’ll give it a shot.

[@Carrylikemariah]

I'm 5k hours deep in PoE and would class myself as a diablo 4 enjoyer, but the only time I actually enjoy it is when I am well and truly burnt out on a poe league and I have to play HC to get a thrill. What poe has done mechanically cannot simply be matched by a new release. D4 as of this season only has the foundations of a game that could in the future potentially compete for my true attention and passion.

[@ermagherd1204]

Grim Dawn did it for me. 9 classes. Can duel class. Constellation system is cool. Fun campaign. Rewarded for exploration. Great itemization. Decent enough endgame.

[@Kianwan]

Played D1 back in my teenage years when it came out, and have been loving the genre since, played every iteration of the genre out there pretty much. I find D4 fun with the current iteration. Does that mean its good? Its okay at best, but atleast now it respects your time. To me, the best game in the genre on the marked to day is Last Epoch, their take on some of the "tried and true" stables of the genre at just the best there is atm.

[@Joegengstah]

I'm 6000 hours deep into POE and thers no comparison. Still hyped and play almost every league. I couldn't stand d4 at the start but enjoyed like 100 hours of season 4 since no builds I tried required a generator finally.

[@alucarddp7868]

There is a few things that makes me pick POE over D4 1.POE is a bit more hard core vs D4 allot more casual 2. Build variance POE has metas just like D4 but the options are there for you if you can think it you can do it in POE (will it be good maybe not but you have the freedom to try) 3. Content POE has so much content that its almost impossible to really do it all at a high level in 1 league 4. Min maxing if you are the crafting type D4 will feel very bad vs POE 5. Trading D4 finally allows you to trade base items but there no farming 2-3 weeks and going to buy a mage blood or that Bis piece of Armour/weapon for your build. There are more things but i think these are the biggest for me but in short if you are someone who just wants to log in and kill stuff D4 is a amazing game for you if you are the type of person who likes to push your build and your skills POE is the game for you.

[@derekpeterson4351]

Started with d1 at launch, been successively disappointed with d3 and 4 even after the updates and add ons. Now that I'm older, Poe is the only game in the genre that can hold my attention, that I haven't felt like I've just done it all before. This is after 4,000 hours

[@mrgreen7983]

For me I think of D4 as a cooldown period after playing POE, just waiting for the next season but don't want to be burnt out on the good stuff.

[@casuallyfilthy]

I don’t think there’s anything necessarily wrong with you. You’re simply not enjoying it anymore. Don’t back yourself into a corner, find something new, something outside of your comfort zone… maybe? Either way, I still love me some Hawg.

[@tutu5049]

Heyo there ! Gonna share my "tiny" story here and some toughts since i kinda feel the same. I played league for like 10 years and got pretty high ranking, almost masters but took a break after i lost 4 back to back promotions after a 17 winning game streak. It felt really bad and the game overall in its "singeplayer" mode (soloq) its terrible. Nowdays I watch it like my father watches football, the high-end 5man gameplay of the game can be really entertaining. After Valorand update i just did not want my pc to get bricked so i unintalled it, hence it was the perfect oportunity and the game wasnt that hot for me anymore. Althought whenever things like Necropolis league happen, my league of legends addcition starts to kick in, or just the need of some game to pour my hole energy into. I played word of warcraft and i still do from time to time, whenever a new expansion or rather new content comes out. I do despise the 4th season being a copy of the content of what the other 3 seasons are. Like, i do somehow understand the joy of running old content again since I'm a pandaria/monk/panda enjoyer (pls dont throw stones) but i won't pay 20$ for the same content as in raids/m+ and plein leveling up my gear to unreasonable ammounts with no clear goal in the game. New raids and m+ are a blast with nice people as always, even mythic progression which i did from time to time. Now, I, most of the times, get bored of simple stuff and when it comes to games if there's not enough complexity to capture my interest and exhaust my brain while playing, i can't really get attached. And path of exile just fits right in. It get's nerdy with numbers, it has a ton of variety, a ton of content, a ton of possibilities and combinations of everything. It's not competitive so if you die its your "fault" and you get to do better and fix stuff on your build, it has trade (which personally i enjoy, but i also do enjoy singeplayer farming) and the fresh leagues every 3/4months are the same thing as starting a new league game : fresh beginning but with reminescence of knowledge you aquire last time. It's amazing and I love it, and after 1.5k hours I still feel like a newbie, because I always somewhere find new stuff. That's what made metry to make poe my new main game so to speak, and I don't think i have other variants really. When thinking about Diablo 4 the fact that they can fuck it up again so easily, i just wouldn't bother to invest time into that game and rather buy poe stashes and aquire more knowledge to be prepared for the next league. Now the thing with POE, atm, it's the fact that this league was too juicy form the get go and they dried it up too much. I just hope they get a sense of the metric of how much loot/power should we get and how much should they nerf it along the way. The league mechanic being strong (referring to graveyard crafting) and rewarding i totally agree. Maybe even with the fact that is hard to get into, with regards to arranging the corpses, calculating the modifers and so on. Where I, personnaly, draw the line is the stocking of corpses. It's absolutely unfair that its absolutely required to buy stashes for space in order to be able to store corpses if you wanna prepare for multiple good crafts at the same time. The morgue has 64 slots or smt and the graveyard has 88, so you basically cant even store as many corpses as you can use within the league mechanic, and given the variety of the corpses i think that new players with 0 quad tabs have literally no chance of arranging the crafting of multiple good high end items with the graveyard system. The all flames and the monsters, very nice, just add a on and off swich for the ppl who kinda wanna ignore it at times, i've heard that was a problem in harcore since it really sucked while leveling, but at the same time i feel like since you play on the league server, asking to ignore the league mechanic it's kinda meh, why not play on standard at that point. ( i do understand the fact that players would like to have the power to change the gameplay themselfs, but maybe that's a little bit too much) Now, to finish off this book of a message. My current plan with poe was to combine 2 archmage builds , goratha's and palsteron's version, such that it would be more tanky, deal more dps and feel good at the same time, which enjoy way more. The thing about the build is that with goratha's version its a 2 button build which does not feel really good. Actually personally it felt absolutely terrible while trying to zoom through maps, which made me not enjoy the game at all, almost hate the hole time i've spend making the build. Then i just tweaked it, smashed it with the other version and not it feels way better since the curse version is a 1 spell zooming menance. So, what i've discovered ( i do have a bad habbit of not understanding simple things ) is that whenever we enjoy/dislike the gameplay could be a fixable thing within the game on our part, maybe changing the build or something else. Since then other streamers are enjoying it so much, it might be worth checking it out from a different angle, if it has one for you, but with the history this game has I wouldn't put too much effort into it anyway ;"D . PS: If this hole thing did not makes sense, I hope it was atleast somewhat interesting/enjoyable to read if any1 reads all of it. :^)

[@fidodidohr1]

I've been thinking about this while trying out other loot arpgs when I got burnout with PoE and concluded that it's much better use of my time to play great games from other genres then to bother with subpar arpgs. edit: i haven't touched d4 for a second, simply cuz whenever i did play d2/3 in past 10 years i felt sorry for wasting my time after a week tops. yes i had some fun for few days but i never discovered anything, i never had to think, and it always felt pointless.

[@RcomplexRandy]

Hey man. Don’t try to like something. You either like it or you don’t. This exactly how i feel, ironically, about PoE. Everyone tells me im supposed to love it but i just don’t. Something about it turns me off. No big deal. You may just be a PoE content creator now. Lean into it. Love it.

[@utasia7086]

Veteran Diablo franchise player here. Lilly's S tier reveal at 2:04 is spot on. And on top of everything listed on her screen, all the peripherals of the game crush Blizzard as well. PoE's Forums team support, for example, is so miles above D4, that it exists in a different habitat entirely. The knowledge, passion, and involvement in the project of people like Jonathan Rogers for PoE, again, can't even be compared to the generic, placating Bull S*** of D4's fireside chats. The story depth of PoE is so rich, it actually can be classified as lore, while D4's story is an exercise in logically disjointed, tedious time waste written by committee. So on...

[@bash5958]

You right. If i didnt play poe last season id probably really like D4. I think the issue is a lot of ppl wanted d4 to be their main game. Unfortunately it just didnt shape out that way. I think if ppl go into it with the attitude of "this isnt my main game" and are going to play it in between poe leagues (or their main game) i think d4 in its current state is good for them. At least thats how ive approached it & ive had fun with d4 the last day and a half.

[@Tuggs22]

I actually logged back in this season to try it out. I even tried regrinding all the reknown they dumped after s1. I was so bored the entire time.

[@hawg_tv]

Boring as fuck right?!

[@chocolatecoveredgummybears]

hawg, same here brother. but it started after breach league in poe. now just think about you and 10 more years of seeing arpg games. it's crazy

[@jowallprieto7727]

This is my opinion, purchased D4 on opening day, played for about 3 weeks, turned off the game left feeling I wasted my hard earned money, didn't feel like it was polished enough to get put out on the market, season 2 came out, played for a week still weak turned it off. Season 3 came around, this time I went and looked at content creators before turning it on again, didn't feel like they made any significant changes to get me back skipped Season 3. Now Season 4 came around read the patch notes, saw the PTS videos on content creators lots of great changes. Turned the game back on, now I am finally having fun. The game still needs more end game content, however the in game mechanics improved night and day. its not painful to play, its actually fun now. I am excited to turn on the game once again, it this was the version that was available on opening night this would have gone so much better for blizzard.

[@kirktown2046]

Diablo 1 changed my life. I should be a huge D4 fanboi. But I just can't. Once you play catch that POE itch, it's just so hard to scratch it with all those shorter sticks.

[@gregriessland1552]

P.O.E all the way brother. I am enjoying some d2 res as well.

[@NZZN666]

I'm not quite the same in that I'm not a huge POE fan(although POE 2 looks amazing). D4 was pretty good the first few hours. When it was all new and shiny. But after playing it into Season 1, realising how bad SO many things were I gave up. Seeing the progress since didnt give me any hope it would be fixed. Then Season 4 was raved about, I gave it a try. Played a few hours, enjoyed it. But the one thing I didn't do when I stopped playing, was think for a second about it when I wasn't playing. That is a massive warning sign to me...with these types of games if I like it, I'll be thinking of the game, sometimes obssessing about it when not playing it. D4 has never done that for me and this latest season is no different. I have played Last Epoch and enjoyed it but the end game needs a lot of work, which appears to be being worked on so I'll likely play LE again after patches. But I think once POE 2 is out, from how that looks so far, that's what I am banking my ARPG hopes on and I'll never have to sink to playing D4 again.

[@therat3028]

Ahhh, I've never heard such a lovely confession of love for POE!

[@aaronwe9850]

Hawg, don't worry about it. You love POE, enjoy. I've been playing Diablo games since D1. I remember the DLC that added the monk. But I'm not the type of gamer that plays the same game for months. After a while, I get bored and move on. Part of the reason behind that is that I play all of the classes and then some. I'm playing No Rest for the Wicked now but eventually, I'll move on to Wolcen or Titan Quest or other ARPGs I have. And yeah, I do enjoy DID games too. Eventually, I'll return and enjoy POE and the other games I walked away from.

[@RamzaBehoulve]

Same problem here. I still did the D4 S4, but I'm not having much fun. Bosses are simple with dumb oneshot mechanics out of nowhere. 1-100 was an absolute bore fest. Build diversity is a joke and well, there isn't much customization possible compared to LE and PoE. Only reason I manage to move from an ARPG to another is because I make ONE character per season. Once I feel that character is "finished", I'm out (usually 4-5 weeks for PoE/LE. D4 barely lasting 2 weeks for comparison). I'm pretty sure D4 will get there eventually after the 1st expansion, but for now it's still below PoE/LE.

[@thehumansrcoming2716]

Dude you are enjoying a game that is so much better. I am really hoping the POE2 lives up to the hype

[@imqqmi]

I played D1-4 but not immortals. D4 at this stage it feels smooth to play at least up to lvl 50 world tier 3 where I'm at but it doesn't really draw me in that much. Days can go by that I don't even think about D4. I play 1-2 hours then had enough for that day. D4 isn't good or bad but mid. Then again that's how I feel about Last Epoch as well. Never played PoE though. I think I enjoyed the capstone dungeon and the summoning event where you have to put in materials. But I did that 10 or 20 times then had enough. But that's ok, if I can drop in for a week during season start then drop off, in the end I'll get my moneys worth but it could've been so much better. I haven't spoiled myself by playing PoE yet ;)

[@Thissapunyo]

D4 is made for dad's, drop in for an hour and get something done, definitely not built for grinding

[@albeon81]

As a 43 year old dad I agree. I love d4 because it’s not as complex as Poe. Season 4 and the loot overhaul has the game feeling as good as it ever has. Plus I play on ps5 and Poe just isn’t made for that. D4 feels like it was designed for consoles. I wanna get into Poe but every time I give up after a few hours.

[@VoyKarma]

the problem for me is every season in diablo you are only choosing from a small pool of the same builds where as in poe there is an endless amount of viable builds so every leauge feels different.

[@Fighterfan69]

What makes POE fun for me is the Build diversity. It's off the charts. The Support Gems really bring out the diversity in my eyes. Just need to make sure you have the stats for them. There's nothing like it in D4. It reminds me of the days I played D2 where I could build what I wanted regardless if it was viable or not. D3 gave an illusion of build diversity with its Runes for each skill. Yeah, the generator/spender needs to go.

[@JV-ei4rz]

20 year D2 veteran here. I tried D4 S4 and just couldn't get into it after 10 hours, ended up trying out Diablo Immortal and had more fun on that which was shocking. Currently running D2R and Project Diablo 2 to scratch the APRG itch.

[@ilmstreams]

You can get +spirit per second stat on chest, helm, and boots now, so you can be a Druid and get automatic Spirit regen the same way as a Sorcerer has automatic mana regen. Never have to use a basic skill again my brother.

[@Epsiz]

Poe is a monstrous knowledge wall that you have to slowly chip, it's also rough around the edges (poor social feature, rough leaguestarts, better experience third party sites (filters, PoB, Craftof Exile, poe awakened trade, poe ninja), and all that is a hard cost of entry for a game Diablo devs are absolutely unable to design end game systems, they craft you a beautiful box filled with regrets and mud. 70€ btw

[@christ3187]

I totally get how you feel about it. PoE is the ultimate. Diablo 4 is fun for me since season 4 started, but very casual. I don't have to think when playing D4. PoE is totally different on that aspect.

[@nibelungvalesti]

Yep, this is accurate. I'm also having trouble playing mediocre arpgs like Grim Dawn or Last epoch after PoE. Note that those wouldn't feel mediocre if PoE didn't exist, but quality gap is just that vast. I'm not even talking about garbage-tier games like D4.

[@raiden8782]

video not working ?? or its just me

[@hawg_tv]

Should be working fine

[@Tres784]

Hawg your video made me want to try season 4, and I hate you for it😂 Haven't enjoyed it since I first started it playing the story. It's been nearly a year the game should be solid by now and it's no where close.

[@Kashshaptu_]

I have fun. Uninstalled d4 half a year ago, never installed back, my life is way more fun and enjoyable. Does it count?

[@ihsan4075]

I'm a fan of the diablo saga and a lil newbie player of Poe ( last 2 league played and haved a blast, at the beginning dropped long time ago for first gameplay bricked build). D4 season 4 is now "decent" for me, probably as the game has to be on release but so true after an extensive 800hr + of poe is very hard to grind D4. Endgame doesn't feel engaging for now. i'm sure that D4 will upgrade a lot in the futures seasons but for now i'm waiting to play POE 2 beta so badly....

[@mcmiked]

veteran d2 player, been having fun on d4, on my 3rd character how ever I know I am near my fun point for the season. I swapped to PoE right a few weeks before you and it is by far better than d4. How ever I think the foundation D has now is much better than what PoE started with and will take a few more seasons to create real end game loops like PoE has. Also think D4 just needs to allow full trading of items. PoE is still my main by far, and I will be going back to it in a week or so, but D4 was a nice breathe of fresh air for a few weeks. I think alot of people are enjoying that, also with the necropolis league being at a retention low for GGG, it allowed more people to want something fresh. I think it was just a timing thing. PoE is what i always wanted d2 to be, I hope they continue to improve as they have in d4. I think its a 6 or 7 out of 10 now, but its FINALLY headed in the right direction. I think that is also adding to peoples excitement, They want it to be good and if feels like it finally can. It should have launched in the state it is in now

[@johno40324]

The progression of gear is similar to anthem which is empty, you pick up an item that is normal, then you get the same item sacred then ancient with very similar or identical stats with slightly better numbers and Iam sure Uber ancient will be implemented in the future. This is a total failure of itemisation. Diablo 3 was the same. Poe has non of this except for yellow and blue items if you get a unique item in Poe yes it’s stats can be a little different but there is not 3 different tiers of the same item. Also there is no endgame if you were given all the best gear in the game in Diablo 4 and told to complete all the different things you can do you would only take a few hours and your done. In Poe you would have 40+hrs of content to farm and complete. In the end D4 is like anthem and Poe is like borderlands 3 fun with many different cool items and ways to combine them.

[@Pdidit09]

Hawg I'm still playing D2 Dawg... literal gold standard of ARPG's...nothing has come close in 25 years for a reason, Brevik and the rest of Blizzard North actually made something to be played and enjoyed for a lifetime because it was made with passion and soul

[@dplariosa]

I’ve said the same thing to myself since the D4 beta…why would I play this game when PoE exists? And I started with the original Diablo when I was a senior in HS. I won’t even consider D4 until they get rid of the builder/spender system. It’s literally the worst. How any game implements this in 2024 is beyond me. I’m 100% with you, Hawg. Much love brother.

[@webdesigntutz]

I was a D3 fanboy til I discovered PoE this year. I used to hit 500+ paragon every D3 season

[@hawg_tv]

same boat. I would hit 4-5k paragon toward the end seasons. it was kinda a problem lol

[@Insane_Power]

The thing for me is I had played POE for 5+ years popped into D4 and was like this game is fun cant wait to try (insert dumb build idea here) then every time I tried one I realized it was impossible very quickly. For example was hyped on my first charter to Barb have (started Barb in all 4 Diablo games) was liking duel wield Frenzy so was like cool I want this to be my build but then something my POE conditioned mind was dumbfounded by it had no way so support that playstyle after just a few levels. Was sad but got very far on generic barb build. When I lost all hope for D4 was on my second character pick necro having been always one of my favorites in D2 ONLY WANTED BIG MINON ARMY looked at passive tree NOTHING for minions like 9 nodes total the only way I could get more was level break points WTF so every necro even non-minion ones had the same minions(not counting late game gear) didnt play necro anymore. The final nail in the coffin was the dumb mob level scaling and item level requirements you could not save gear from high level characters for your lower/ set up your new one with good gear. Every time I played D4 I would immediately play POE right after and for longer like... why was I even playing D4 I can do anything in this game?

[@Kevfactor]

I feel it's the social aspect. the game is very isolating in a retail wow type of way. POE you have carries, EXP farms, and trade with bots. Last Epoch I feel is worse but people do use global chat a lot. Diablo I feel is like going to the store, you see people but there is no reason to interact with them. It has worse social features than past diablo games too.

[@hawg_tv]

Yeah feels like mama gave me a chore list tbh

[@MM-yy9us]

POE is top for sure; while I do take league breaks it always delivers when I play. Learn something new every time i play

[@01Grimjoe]

People think that the holy bolt potion was a bug...it was intentional to give you that short term high to bypass the boss's.

[@farbrorfjellstrom]

I want to play D4 again. The music and atmosphere is great! But every time I think of the cooldowns and builders/spenders I just can't bring myself to do it. The combat is not fun for me.

[@EmvyBeats]

For me D4 is at the place i wish it was when it came out, but POE 2 will be ready this year or so i'm told & i will probably forget diablo exists when it does.

[@bozy0223]

Since i’ve started POE i’ve noticed that i can’t find enough enjoyment in other games bc poe spoils us so much. gotta give it to GGG.

[@dpsglitch9705]

I was in your shoes for 3 months with Diablo 4. After this update. I’m happy with my purchase now. You’ll get there.

[@michelspode423]

poe is just poe man nothing will ever change that! glad u found the Goat

[@dwaynemitchell5060]

Started at 3 but enjoyed 3 and 4 . Heard 2 was good never played it i think i was on starcraft back then. Ive played every season on diablo 4 and season 4 definitely made alot of good improvements makes me feel like season 5 will be even better.

[@suthtech]

1k+ hours in D2, 300ish in D3, and 1.5k+ in PoE. Less than 100 in D4 in s1&2, have little to no interest in going back. If they quadrupled the base options for skill "mutations" then perhaps. . . But even then there'd be so much that just wasn't fun about the game I'd burn out fast.

[@not3but1]

Ive played poe for so long that diablo 4 is my lil break untill poe 2 comes out. then I will probably never come back to d4

[@Enzo-kb4oj]

I'm playing season 4 of Diablo. It's fun, but it's really very short. If you didn't like a skill, you can easily change to another skill with the same character. But the possibilities you have are really very limited. It's like there's a meta that involves about 3-4 builds and anything else you do is simply going to make the overall content of the game 10 or more times worse. On the other hand, in PoE, if you don't like a build, even if it works for almost everyone, the possibilities you have are truly endless. In addition to the trading system, which allows you to get the final version of your build without lose a lot of time and entrust yourself to luck.

[@shaneanigans440]

Veteran arpg player here. PoE has been the GOAT for a long time in this genre. With over 8k hours on it myself, it's far and away the best arpg availible atm. However, when I just want to just casually play something, I find myself going back to d3 or d4. D4 atm isn't bad, it's also not good yet... it's turn your brain off and watch a show while you get a toon going. I've been going hard in every PoE league for what seems like a decade now. It's nice to not get burned out by playing something else. Whether it's d2-4, elden ring, or cyberpunk 2077. It's nice not to feel burned out and excited for every build I play in PoE. My burnout might come sooner or later than others, but if you play a game long enough, you know what it feels like.

[@nibelungvalesti]

I just tried D4, it's still really bad. I think you're a victim of sunk cost fallacy.

[@shaneanigans440]

@nibelungvalesti it's a shallow experience... it's set up to be that experience. I already said it wasn't good. But it's also not the d4 bad meme it was in season 3 as well. My sunk cost fallacy game would be PoE... not some game I paid $59.99 for. I think you're projecting your insecurities with d4 and your sunk cost fallacy onto me.

[@Senettino]

Hi everybody, here it is the same for me: 44yo, I've played the Diablo francise since the begenning (D1, D2, and I've played D3 for years, even if it's nothing expecial... I had fun with it). And than the hype for Dd4 was at the star, I've bougth it at de day one, and I've had so much fun following the campaign! But after this... quite boring, no mor fun and i cannot say why... maybe just doing the same thing again and again and again... So, I've tryed for the first time in my life PoE... And a new world is now in front of my eyes! :-D Only to complete the campaign for the first time take me 73 ours! AHAHAHAHAHA amazing! Great video, thanks and greetings from Italy! (sorry for my bad english)

[@Sejend]

You've been enlightened my friend. Can't turn back to eating shit now. 😂

[@rajendra82a]

Fun is subjective. I played Diablo IV at release, and a little in Season 1. It was my first ARPG, but it was not a difficult game to understand. I came back played a lot in Season 2, as I discovered a good group of people to play with. Season 3 startedOK, but I got burned out after month. I played Last Epoch next, and found it to be decent, but it seemed to lack much polish. I also think their endgame a little too grindy for my liking. The group play in LE is also much less enjoyable. Next I tried PoE. I liked the game, and I think endgame is fantastic, but I never really gelled with it fully. I never found a like minded group of people to play with. I also think a lot of the bloat is unnecessary. They had several good and bad ideas over past seasons, but never took the time to distill the good from the bad to form a cohesive whole. I like the game but I am only about 10% as comfortable in it as others, and it’s going to take several seasons of studying to grasp it all. I also think the multitude of currencies and crafting recipes is a ridiculous amount of complexity for its own sake. I spent a lot of time looking at this, instead of actually killing things. Now that Diablo IV season 4 is here, I am back, and it’s filling that old itch again. I can voice chat with my online friends, play in a good looking open world, do some decent crafting (without the pain of a thousand RNG hits to get a six link like in PoE), and get access to mounts, evade as an action, and now can trade for gear I need except Uber Uniques. The game is a good foundational place now, and I will gladly pay for expansions.

[@brianm.595]

I played all the diablo games except the cash shop simulator one. Up to and including 4. I don't know, I just can't get into how simplistic diablo is since 3. I would have preferred the full hotbar of skills if I am playing on PC. I didn't really care for how the skill tree is so dumbed down and limited that you know everyone of your class is pretty much building the same character. "oh do you want to hit him with stones, lightning, wind, or fire to build up a meter? note that they will all feel the same". It's simply not something I enjoy anymore. There were really a lot of things I disliked, but the simplicity and .... the broken resistances in particular, annoyed me as it was all over gear and did nothing.

[@grifftech]

I am the same way bro, I got to 100 this season and started in the Pits and was bored within an hour, I was like "why can't this just have some endgame mechanics like POE"

[@arcc4]

D4 can't because it lacks a lot of fundamental design and depth needed to promote those kinds of systems. It's like why checkers isn't like chess even though they share the same board and the fact both players take turns moving/capturing pieces.

[@Cpint]

D4 was not only my first Diablo game, but it was also my first ARPG. I'd say season 4 has been the best by far, but after introducing me to the ARPG genre and playing Last Epoch and starting to get my feet wet with POE, I can say it's a solid 4 or 5 out of 10. Rose from the ashes of "D4 bad" to "D4 meh." It's alright to kill a couple hours on, not really the kind of thing that has me excited to play.

[@renediffie]

One game doesn't have to win over the other to justify playing it. I'm a major PoE degen but I still enjoyed some time with D4 this season. I'll probably come back and have fun for next one as well.

[@knaz7468]

I played D1 on launch in college (it caused me to get a B in one of my engineering classes). So ... I'm an older player for sure. You are 100% correct, PoE makes everything else look like a second rate game, despite it's own flaws (been playing since beta so have watched it evolve). I played 1 week of D4 last summer on launch. It was fun for that week and that was all. I uninstalled and decided to try season 4 to see what the fuss was about. I cranked up to 100 and have taken down some "ubers" and am pushing pit. It's all ... super boring. Bosses are lame/boring compared to PoE. Class/skill combo limitations are annoying (why not a summoner barb?). The "MMO overworld" is useless aside from the helltide grind for Wolf rep. The nightmare dungeons feel like "homework" and I dread every mechanic in there, literally NOTHING exciting about a D4 dungeon. Can't hold a candle to blight, breach, betrayal, legion, rituals, harvest, delirium, etc (like 20+ mechanics) in casual PoE mapping. I am certain D4 will keep getting better ... but they sure are missing some key components right now. Give it 3-4 more years and they will have more content. And maybe Diablo. With dialogue lines hopefully.

[@TheSummerhiill]

i played about 4 days of the new D4 league and it was ok'ish but nothing more for me. It felt boring after maybe 2 days and i dont have the feeling that i want to start another character oder build. PoE gets me every hyped every league even with the ones like necropolis where i have to say its not my kind of league. But even with that said i played 6 builds to 96 had a blast and have now switched to WoW Cataclysm and a bit SSF in PoE cause i want to get better in crafting. U just keep doing what u do! Maybe in the future they release a league in D4 where u find fun again but until then u jumped into a Rabbithole called PoE where the escape isnt possible!

[@chronotrigger2000]

I don't play Path of Exile as much anymore, I've been burned out researching different builds, and trying to get it just right, the thing that keeps me going back to Diablo is it's simplicity, there's not so much content that it becomes overwhelming, there's plenty to do, I like the way it looks and feels, I don't know, I typically like both games but for some reason this league in POE isn't grabbing my attention, I'm not a fan boy of either game, I didn't start playing Diablo or games like it until Diablo 3 came out on the Xbox 360, then when I finally got a gaming pc, I started playing more like it, and now I feel like the genre is saturated with different games that are similar and I always just go back to Diablo, always. Last Epoch felt like Path of Exile, and I just wasn't amazed by it, I wasn't excited. My first Diablo game I ever played was the first game and I played it on my grandma's computer, I enjoyed it, but I didn't get to play it after that because I had borrowed it from a fellow student in high school and I didn't have a computer at that time. That's my history with the games, and who knows I may play POE again, but I don't know. The game I've been playing the most isn't even related to either game, American Truck Simulator, I've put in over 1300 hours, I love that game, and that's what I've been playing lately, I have a season 4 barbarian in D4 that I've been leveling and I love it, it's great, and I play on it almost every day, so I'm slowly getting back into Diablo again, and maybe it will be the same with POE, who knows.

[@billcranston3882]

5 skill points I can't get back unless I choose a generator build - nice talent twigs Blizz. Also paragon boards are awkward and boring.

[@Ryken_1]

My group is having a lot of fun with D4 S4 … but we are super casual - we play together for a couple hours each night. The game might be more fun to play as a ‘group’ … I’ve never played it solo.

[@korassssssss]

I'm old timer, played d1, d2, lots of d3 and I've 40/40 multiple leagues in poe. Poe generally speaking is miles ahead but what diablo 3 usually had over it was how much smoother the gameplay was, poe had lots of jank in it, and for longest time nothing could beat eg the feel of Aether Walker Wiz teleporting around and blasting screens, or WW barb buttery smooth spinning to win etc. Times have changed however and PoE got better in this regard, and now it's hard to play anything beside it when there is so much cool shit I still haven't tried yet even though I've played it for years. The fact that I'm not comparing poe to d4 should say enough how I feel about it, blizz has lots of work ahead of them if they want to even match d3 let alone surpass it and get closer to poe.

[@15kalas15]

Last epoch is going to pop off in the next couple years its already 8/10 imo

[@GrimnirsGrudge]

Now that I can skip the campaign and a lot of your progression is carried between characters, I feel like I can just play the game. After you beat it once, you start post campaign, you start with most waypoints unlocked, you start with a mount, you start with a ton of skill points, and you can do helltides and whispers from level 1. It's weird, but having a bunch of stuff already completed kind of makes it feel more like a complete game. Like all the stuff that wasted my time before is just out of the way and I can just play it. I've got a couple hundred hours in PoE, but that was after several times dipping my toes in for different seasons, and it was always just too much. That feeling of not knowing how deep the water is kind of turns me off. I always found it pretty difficult to end up with a build that can blast through the game without cheesing build guides, and that's just not how I like to roll. Last Epoch was actually a better time for me while waiting on D4, but it just doesn't have the same depth of content and replayability. I finished LE, got halfway through another character and just moved on for a while so they can drop a couple patches. I don't hate any of them, they're great content, and having more ARPGs to bounce across while other patch up and make more stuff to play is just fine for me.

[@shayaharonson9634]

So Poe was too hard for you so you gave up? Instead of using a “cheesing” build guide you could try to understand why and where your build was suffering. Yes there are cheese builds, but every build pretty much can clear majority of game content, at least t16 maps and pinnacle bosses, some more efficiently than others of course. But then again Poe is not for everyone, if you don’t want to use guides and aren’t stubborn enough to self learn then ya, you’ll quit mid way through the campaign or right after.

[@GrimnirsGrudge]

@@shayaharonson9634 Yeah bud, I don't care that much. I was just trying to play the game, not earn a PoE degree. I don't like Elden Ring or the Dark Souls games either.

[@Azusa-dn7mi]

I heard all the good things folks are saying about D4 now, but I'm just done with it. Every time I think about updating the game and giving it a shot, I think of something else I'd rather be doing. Like yard work.

[@DeepSouthSimulations]

This season has been overall positive changes and I don't have much negative to say about what was changed, it's just when you compare it to the others out there you really start to notice all of the things it's lacking. Also the fact that they appear to be keeping things less complex for the more casual/newer players is always going to stand in the way of a lot things they COULD expand with the game. I just don't think this game was ever intended to be for experienced ARPG players.

[@mistersquigee5119]

For me they both hold my interest for the same amount of time (2weeks), in POE I like the start then get to a point where I realise that my build is shit and I cant go on have yo start over and starting over I hate that. In D4 I can respec everything anytime to try stuff butthere is a lot less to try. If I could respecc at will in poe I would only play that.

[@mistersquigee5119]

Playing 2 weeks moving on and coming back next season is fine in my book, so many games to play anyway :)

[@Awakened2001]

Even in necropolis I still enjoy POE more. Im at 2k hours now, my first league where i can farm ubers and I don't even think about d4. Beyond that theres no way I'd pay blizz for an expansion which is apparently next on the menu. Insane that they would dare ask for more money when the game is just now in a decent state.