Haworth Fern Review, no one is telling you the Truth!

[@TristanPope]

I got this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZpo and still love it! P.S. I am 5'10 and 180 lbs (common question I get, if ya comment, include this, it helps others a lot on your experience!) What chair do you currently have? Are you looking at these reviews because you are on the same journey? What is your experience? 🪑My next journey is with Crandall Offices and the Leap V2: www.crandalloffice.com/?ref=29614 Sub to see more!

[@LostInTxtlation]

I rock an Aeron and agree!

[@chrisw7347]

Have you tried the embody?(edit: further watching answered this) The best I ever tried-- go to the Herman Miller showroom in midtown and try it, takes no effort to try. Have yet to purchase but your video here was extremely useful-- people who review chairs are generally enthusiastic because their job is entangled in positive reviews. So glad to find an actual human being who cares about just telling the truth. But yeah I think Embody is a must try if you haven't yet, it blew me away at 6'1 200lb. Do not be afraid of the 'bottlenecking' top, I think a lot of people judge it that way, and the only other critique I hear is a squeak which can be easily fixed I hear with lubricant. Still yet to try Leap 2, but that's the only other competition for me at the moment.

[@TristanPope]

@@chrisw7347 So I have a Leap 2 being configured by Crandall Offices right now, so stay tuned! High hopes. Now the Embody, lemme just say this: I would love to sit in one, however, for 2100 with tax, unless you find a sale, which it is still above the cost of a fully loaded Aeron, you are looking at a chair made of plastic and noise. It creaks so loud it might as well just ruin any chance of voice over work you do. It is insanely loud from everything I have seen. Again have not tried it and would be interested, but again, if I LOVED IT, I still cannot validate that price. This is a chair. Not a bed. I dunno.. It's a really hard sell for me, especially since it was 800$ 2-3 years ago. That is just a kick in the teeth from Herman Miller in my opinion and you see I love them with my Aeron. Again it looks interesting, but unless it is gonna make me coffee and shut the hell up when needed, it's so hard to recommend. Imagine paying 2 grand then another 250$ for the headrest too? Jesus. You shouldn't even be sitting as much as you would need to to get value from that buy. Anyway, thank you again for the kind words and hope to bring ya some more reviews of chairs from someone who just wants the right one. (even if it eventually means caving in for an embody... *threw up a little*) Ya know what it reminds me of? Purple Beds. The niche bed that either you love or hate or force yourself to love because you loath how much ya just spent.

[@chrisw7347]

@@TristanPope I am literally on foodstamps and *almost* got it for 800 used, but my entire savings was 600 at the time and guy wouldn't budge or offer 700. I think for someone like you, it would make sense to prioritize at minimum, sitting in one, and then making a decision. More data is just a better position to make judgements from, it can only further inform. Looking forward for your thoughts on the Leap v2, thanks for the detailed replies, those are always great to read, and rare.

[@vikingsfan2218]

@@TristanPope Just a heads up - I purchased a refurbished Leap V2 from Crandall in 2020 (with the extra thick seat foam) and I still had issues with the seat bottoming out. When I first sat in it, it felt fine. Then after several of hours I started to feel the frame of the chair against my tailbone. At first, it took a significant amount of time to get to that point, but the more frequently I used the chair, the less time it took for the seat to bottom out. Almost like consistent pressure on the seat pad caused the foam to "deflate" and I needed to take a break from the chair to give it time to "re-inflate" I think the foam that Crandall uses in their remanufacturing process isn't as high quality or dense as Steelcase's original foam. Plus, according to BTOD's video on the subject, the more concave shape of the Leap's seat pad might introduce undue pressure points on the seat for people with certain body types. This will be the case irrespective of foam type used. For reference, I'm 5'11" 220 lbs. with a higher than average amount of density in the tailbone region so it doesn't take much for me to bottom out thinner seat pads

[@generalagony]

You saved me $1200. Was looking at this chair and had suspicions about the exact issues you’ve mentioned. Thank you for the video.

[@TristanPope]

Very glad to help. Check out my other videos might point ya in the right direction.

[@generalagony]

@@TristanPope already have. That Atlas has me interested.

[@generalagony]

Or the Steelcase refurb.

[@TristanPope]

@@generalagonylemme know if ya go that direction. It’s a good one.

[@rayndooma5624]

Thanks for keeping it 100% real. After spending HOURS watching so many "high end" office chair reviews, I was praying the Fern was gonna be THE ONE. Well, it's back to watching more office chair reviews....

[@TristanPope]

Happy to help. Check my crandalll office review. I kept it. EXPOSED: The Truth About Crandall's Refurbished Steelcase Leap V2! kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZpo

[@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384]

the steelcase gesture..

[@TristanPope]

I got this one kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZpo And love it.

[@selinov]

Bro! This is exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you for your candor.

[@TristanPope]

I got you! :)

[@dkliminsky]

Your review really helped steer clear. 6'3 195lb and I got the Aeron C with Atlas Headset. I could cry I like it so much

[@TristanPope]

YESSS!!!!!! So happy for you. Glad to help! I'll send you my bill. support.craftingworlds.com LOL

[@Baconator119]

I picked one of these up used for $450 on Facebook Marketplace. Once I got it home and sat on it and used it for about a week, I feel like I probably wouldn’t ever pay more than $500 for this chair even with all of the bells+whistles brand new. The good news is that I can always resell it for like $750 because the office chair market is absolutely insane right now.

[@TristanPope]

Yeah it’s bad

[@Baconator119]

@@TristanPope I think right now, unless you just have money to throw around, you’re much better off just buying these chairs used/refurbished. You can usually find Embody chairs around the $750/800 mark (which is still a lot), and unless you are doing very un-chairlike activities, you probably wont ever need the 10 year warranty. I still feel like the Embody around $800-ish mark is the only chair I ever bought and felt completely satisfied with that purchase. If you aren’t spending the money for a refurbished Aeron or Embody, you’re honestly just better off with a $40 Office Chair from like target lmao

[@TristanPope]

@Baconator119 that’s what I did check my Crandall video.

[@jessbee]

I'm so glad I found this. It pushed me over the edge to return mine. I don't think it's your body, it's the chair. I'm 5'0 and have all of the exact same complaints you do.

[@TristanPope]

Glad it was helpful.

[@TheOfficialFloridaMan]

“Why are all chair reviewers 5’ 6” “ 😂😂😂 I feel this as a 6’ 2” man

[@AslaugSteinpors]

This review was so helpful! Im glad you pointed out the issues with the chairs arm stability and the small, thin seat cushion. Its great to see a review that doesnt sugarcoat things just because its a popular brand. Your honest feedback will definite

[@TristanPope]

much love!

[@Classfied1]

Your critiques are great. It would be great if you were able to test the embody too!

[@TristanPope]

yeah but they won't send it out and no way I test it just for a video

[@louisxue3292]

I am 5'10'' and have the haworth soji, the built-in lumbar curve is supporting my back at the right area. Does not have any fancy features. I feel like the flagship ergonomic chairs tend to be extreme in some directions for the sake of being ergonomic, but the truth is the majority of people want a generally comfortable chair that's forgiving and adaptive.

[@TristanPope]

Glad ya found a chair.

[@letmedietomorrow]

Indeed, the prices for mere chairs are now astounding! Just started on this journey and even trash is at least $150. $1500 chairs are still flawed and doesn't even have all the features you need. Please share your future findings and the golden chair you settle on.

[@TristanPope]

Def check out this chair! kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZposi=D2Jm20eqjLelK7ye

[@SomeFrenchDude]

Thanks for the honest review. So many shills on KZbin these days, it's insane. You just don't know who to believe anymore.

[@TristanPope]

Very welcome :) What chair you rockin?

[@SomeFrenchDude]

@@TristanPope still searching! I have a very cheap Staples chair right now. It's made with bonded leather and it's starting to peel off. I live in Canada and the chairs here are insanely expensive...!

[@letsgocapsbeatpens]

Facts, all these chair companies jacked up their prices, in some cases triple the inflation rate. As to the arm jiggling, the Steelcase arms jiggle too, I would image getting the arms not to jiggle would increase the cost. You have to look at every quirk or issue as a cost cutting measure and through the lens of a bean counter.

[@TristanPope]

It’s a shame and as consumers we should not encourage it with our wallets. No matter how good the marketing.

[@RobertoOrtis]

Just have to tighten them up

[@TristanPope]

@@RobertoOrtistried that. Not possible with the design.

[@RobertoOrtis]

@@TristanPope I tried a couple and didn’t have that issue. Might have been poor quality control.

[@TristanPope]

@@RobertoOrtisI looked at both chairs arms I got. Both built the same way. I know people love the quality control thing and look I’m not coming at you but we may just have different ideals of quality. No offense my friend thanks for watching and appreciate the feedback.

[@prophecy66]

I'd agree on the pricing, all these chairs have become crazy expensive. I paid 1200$ CAD after tax for my fern 4 years ago and for the quality and warranty support i think that was worth it compared to all the other chairs i've tried. Originally had an aeron, for a few days because holy back pain from that horrendous lumbar support. Fern has been overall pretty great. I'd agree about the play in the arms, mine is nowhere near as bad, but it's something I remarked on when I did a review on haworth's site. The rest of your issues are pretty subjective. Seat pan depth has been fine for me personally, i'm 5' 8" so maybe that's why? Locking mechanism works fine for me, seems to be for you as well given your demonstration, but hey sometimes things fail, that's why there is a warranty. Lumbar support being in the wrong place or too aggressive will of course be based on body type, this was my problem with the aeron, and that seems the most popular chair ever. Can't say I have the same experience with the knit, it's been really comfy to me. Tried the embody as well and holy fuck is that thing uncomfortable, felt like a wood board on my spine the entire time. The lean seems to be more of a posture issue honestly, the seat is symmetrical so not sure how you can blame that. Obviously chairs are subjective and relying 100% on someone's review is not the way to go, you need to try these things out, whether that's in store or buying and returning.

[@TristanPope]

Yikes

[@ghosteye007]

Naw you are 100% right man. I have been on a chair hunt and literally bought and returned every god damn "high end" chair there is that was reviewed greatly and they were all GARBAGE. Literally ended up dealing with the price and ordered the embody.

[@TristanPope]

Sorry. It’s rough out there for sure.

[@togetherwegame7225]

How do you like the embody? And gaming or normal? I got the gaming embody a few weeks ago and added the atlas headrest. I had 20 percent off but all said and done I still prob spent like 1900. I like it quiet a lot and my pains are gone but damn the price is high. But the warranty helps

[@TristanPope]

@@togetherwegame7225 I have not tried the embody. I stopped at the Leap V2.

[@OhptikNurv]

This is my exact experience in every way! Thank you for making this. I'm 5'10 160 and the cushion bottoms out! It's the worst! And yea, the lumbar hits too low. It was so expensive and i hate it.

[@TristanPope]

I'm sorry I hope you got to return it.

[@saigudbai]

Thanks for the review... I've been watching reviews and looking at these online. I'll just stop looking and be happy with my $250 Serta Destin with the huge butt cushion that I got from Staples. At least it's freakishly comfortable.

[@TristanPope]

Oh man if you have a freakishly comfortable chair. Treasure it!!!

[@Sibelius101]

Great review and I mostly agree with you. You are correct when you state that other reviewers are not mentioning some of the negatives. I bought a used Fern for $500 and I agree that the thin cushion and the sliding seat adjustment are poor quality. When you slide the seat forward, you end up with your tailbone falling into the crevasse created between the cushion and the back of the chair. Why they designed it this way makes no sense. The seat needs to be longer so you do not have to slide it out so far. And the seat is too thin. A little more cushion would help tremendously. Where we disagree: I have the additional lumbar support and I do enjoy the feel of that. I also find the arm rests to be comfortable and not as shaky as you demonstrated. When I plant my elbows down to work, the arm rests feel good and do not move around. I do love how adjustable they are. Ways I am going to make this chair work for me better: 1) I’m going to buy a thin seat cushion to just throw on top; and 2) I ordered an Atlas Head Rest which they sell customized to fit the Fern. I think those two additions, plus the fact I did not pay full price for the Fern will allow me to fully enjoy this chair. ❤

[@TristanPope]

Thank you for being legit level headed with your opinions! First person to lay out why they like and dislike the chair and how they plan to adjust for it. Honestly for 500$ it’s a good chair. So I hope you love it. Check out my other video about the halo x gaming version I link some AMAZING arm cushions. They are on all my chairs now :) Again thanks for being. Breath of fresh air!!

[@leferyx]

I purchased the Fern and experienced the same issues he mentioned. I am 5'10.", and my weigh is 195lb

[@TristanPope]

This is really good to hear. I think our height and weight is very much the culprit here. I will have some other chairs very soon. So stay tuned for more updates. What did ya end up doing or going with?

[@leferyx]

@@TristanPope I returned the chair

[@TristanPope]

⁠​⁠@@leferyxmay I ask what your final decision was as to why? And what version you had?

[@pa-james9220]

Fern owner here for 10 months, albeit I'm 6'5" and used to all chairs being unergonomic for me. You are correct on all accounts; looks great, but nothing functionally works properly. This is not a $1300-$2000 chair. My chair already has play in the base stem and handles and it's only occasionally used. It's crap, but sadly I'm committed for the next little while. :(

[@TristanPope]

Sorry to hear.

[@AsianAnimeRuLe]

Lmao buddy is spot on, deserves a sub from me. I was skeptical after watching all the hyped up videos and saw yours, and fortunately there was one chair available to test in a showroom and everything you mentioned was how I felt trying it for myself.

[@TristanPope]

@@AsianAnimeRuLe glad I could help. What’s your height? Helps others.

[@AsianAnimeRuLe]

@@TristanPope I'm 6'1

[@razingst0rm]

I agree with you 100%. It was like I was watching myself. Chair sucks, kept it too long though and I'm stuck.

[@TristanPope]

Oh no! When did ya figure it out?

[@fishblade2]

I wish there was more reviewers such as yourself that critique chairs. every person I see that do chair reviews irritate me so bad because they don’t say anything about the prices going up but even more so they sat in a chair that 1600 $1700 and they literally say nothing about anything bad that they should be talking about they should be critiquing these chairs to death for this type of money

[@TristanPope]

Agree with you. Thanks for noticing :)

[@kidd0]

Thanks for this review! I was seriously considering the Fern when searching for a new chair, but now I'm second guessing. I'm 250 and need a bit more cushion, especially if I'm paying that much for a chair. Thanks again, from a fellow ex-Blizzard brother.

[@TristanPope]

Hey blizzard fam!! Gonna be real honest, The fern will not support your size. I would very much look into a Herman miller and or a secret labs chair. And as you come down in weight maybe If you decide to do that consider the Steelcase :) all my love. At blizzard btw I was 210 as my highest. I lost 50 lbs with a personal trainer and a lot of hard work. But it was worth it.

[@mikelarryy5]

Im 6’3 260 with herniated discs from playing D1 football…. I love this chair

[@TristanPope]

@@mikelarryy5​​⁠that’s great! Glad you found a chair you like! Currently I’m in the NFL for the giants as line back. I hate it.

[@Hoshimoto101]

Appreciate this review since i'm not a midget either. Love you.

[@TristanPope]

Glad I could help

[@jefftc14]

You saved me some money lol, this was amazing and had so many things I"ve noticed with these reviews too and the size of the reviewers... as someone over 6 feet it blows my mind and is so frustrating

[@TristanPope]

Happy to help. Check out myu leap video! kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZpo

[@MrMoogle]

Agreed. These chairs aren't worth the asking price. I ordered a Steelcase Leap V2 direct from Steelcase's website during the recent sale. It was still over $1,000 after tax and when it arrived, the backstop mechanism was broken. I contacted Steelcase about doing an exchange, but they said they would have support look into it and likely just send a new part. For the asking price, I didn't want a new part. I wanted a brand new chair that works correctly out of the box. They also noted it could take a week for support to get back to me with a conclusion, which would have put me outside of the return window. Finally, it came disassembled, which I thought was lame since my Haworth Zody that cost half as much arrived assembled. It also wasn't packed well and that's likely how it ended up being damaged when it arrived. So, I ended up just doing a self service return and going back to my Zody. In my opinion, even without the backstop issue, the Leap V2 is not worth the price they are asking direct from Steelcase. Felt cheap, lots of creaks and pops moving around in it and it just didn't feel like a chair in the four figure price range. The much cheaper (at the time I bought it) Zody is much more solid in terms of construction and seat comfort. I just don't love the lumbar on the Zody, but to save $1K, I can live with it.

[@TristanPope]

I got my leap from Crandall and I can say it was worth the price as the price is pennies for what you get kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZpo

[@EliisaLaakso]

I have this chair and while I do enjoy it, it is hard to argue that i do have buyers remorese a bit from the cost and quality of the product i got.

[@TristanPope]

Hey, enjoy what ya got yeah? :)

[@RobertLaperriere]

i got this many years ago for 500$ and you are right not a 1600 dollar chair

[@TristanPope]

At 500 it would be way better.

[@chunkplunk]

I bought this chair a year ago and I've noticed many things like you did: - the top of the backrest rounds forward and because of my height it causes me to slouch which contradicts the point of this chair - my legs are too long for the seat so it feels awkward to sit on and I barely get thigh support - the arms aren't actually at the same height, one is slightly taller than the other which causes issues with my desk - in the uk you don't get the lumbar support so my bum takes most of the back support because of the weird shape At this point I might go for a cheaper option that has a softer cushion and adjustable lumbar, the slouch task one looks interesting

[@TristanPope]

Wow you nailed some stuff I forgot to mention as well, the arm rests being off balance really did me in, they never felt like they were properly clicking on both sides to be the right height with each other always one higher than the other!!! I felt that same pushing me forward thing as you can see in the video. I thought it was perhaps the Lumbar. Why don't they offer Lumbar in the UK? Prolly cause it is all bs and we don't actually "need it" lol but the UK bans shit that is erroneous haha. And the seat really did feel small sides and front! Did you keep it or did ya get another chair? Also which one did you get and what is your height/weight. That helps people to know what it may feel like for them!

[@edgarmatias1203]

Thank you for an honest review. I was about to purchase one because of all the positive reviews. I've watched so many reviews and only complaint I've seen is the arms. It was Fern or a herman miller for me. You saved me from making a 1k+ mistake thank you sir. Side note I also thought the same thing... why are all reviewers on the smaller side lol I even googled review by a taller/bigger person

[@TristanPope]

Glad I Could help! Def check out the Leap 2 review kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZpo

[@EmiliaRivas-oi4yd]

wow i appreciate the review being honest not many reviews talk about these things lots of shills big no on this for me

[@TristanPope]

sorry emilia! Hope you find the right chair for you!

[@Woupsme]

Exciting. Just ordered the Fern this week and it's coming tomorrow. I'm 6'2 and 220 pounds. Hope it'll be comfy for me. Else it's going back and then I'll keep an eye out for a HM Gaming Embody to go on sale.

[@McLovinKarma]

Lemme know after a week of trying it out. I work from home so i have to use it 8-9 hrs a day

[@Whaley96]

​@@McLovinKarmaI ordered one yesterday. I figured I'd try it out for a couple of weeks and if it isn't the best thing ever it's going back without a doubt. For $1506 it better make me feel like I'm floating.

[@TristanPope]

Floating to the floor to get off the chair lol

[@Woupsme]

@@McLovinKarma didn't even last a week. After half an hour I was positive I'd sent it back. Tried it for two more days sitting for a maximum of two hours straight and my butt hurt, my legs fell asleep. It was in no way designed to change the position of the seat. The lumbar support felt nice though. But it constantly felt like I was sliding forward. Went back to my worn out 7 year old Secretlab Titan.

[@Whaley96]

@@Woupsme it's crazy how subjective they are because my experience has been the complete opposite. I'm on day two and most of the pressure that was built up in my lower back is gone. After 4 to 5 hours of use I still don't want to get out of it. If it had a good headrest I'd sleep in it's that good. But like I said it's very subjective.

[@sebvance]

Thank you SO much for this review.

[@TristanPope]

Welcome

[@michaelyhchai]

what chair would you recommend instead?

[@TristanPope]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZpo

[@michaelyhchai]

@@TristanPope thanks! Just watched that video and ended up ordering a brand new series 2 with the headrest off their website here in hong kong, helps that it's on a 20% off sale at the moment too! It won't be suede like yours but the ergonomic shape, lumbar support and that lean feature without smashing the armrests into my computer table is going to be great. Couldn't agree more that these ergo chair prices have gone a bit insane, I'm glad you loved series 2 because the price point is much more reasonable compared to the embodys and ferns of the market.

[@CarmelitaAlvarado-lk3yt]

Awesome review! Been considering this chair for a while, and you answered all my questions! Gonna check out the Leap

[@TristanPope]

Gonna review that soon. Hope to get back to ya :) But yeah steer clear of this.

[@MartinOlminkhof]

Might be worth trying the Embody but OMG the price

[@TristanPope]

@@MartinOlminkhof landed on this kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZposi=qBqS7O4wwiZCZLuv And with the partnership with atlas head rests this is my end game for now.

[@AlphaConde-qy7vi]

Tremendously useful rant, cheers !

[@TristanPope]

Why thank you haha

[@GrazianoNapolitano]

our review was a lifesaver! I was almost sold on this chair, I know its not the right fit for me. Thanks for being transparent about its quality issues-your review has made me reconsider my options!

[@TristanPope]

Glad it helped!

[@narciso2mendoza]

I got the Crandall refurbished V2. Love it. Best deal.

[@TristanPope]

Yup I am very much looking forward to when mine gets here. Will update obviously!

[@Bank_TP]

Hi! Have you tried Gesture? If you have, how is it comparing to this one, thanks!

[@TristanPope]

I did not but close... the Steelcase Leap V2. kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZpo

[@UnyieldingGuy24]

And here I thought I was the only one whose legs go numb. Do you know how to prevent it?

[@TristanPope]

Buy another chair.

[@boergenking]

Damn, so which chair can i buy I'm still searching for a week and when i think i found one and then comes.a video lile this and thats very expensive chairs, i dont.get it. I will never find a chair.

[@TristanPope]

You will check this out. kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZposi=w9DZuVBXnLb5zcEn

[@joejojo5966]

same thing here, im just gonna wind up buying another cheap staples chair soon LOL

[@redcollard3586]

The back looks really, really nice on this chair. But this is the second mention of wobbly arms out of the factory I've heard. Between that and the need to replace the headrest means it just ain't it, huh? Not at that price, not anywhere near it.

[@TristanPope]

I bought two to try. Check this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmqziKWIn5x6qMU Even worse!

[@nopenope7088]

I just got my Haworth Fern two weeks ago in the ember colorway. I haven't had some of the issues you have had. My arms rests are pretty solid with almost no noise at all and I am not having any locking issues. The digital knit fabric can definitely get too hot though.

[@TristanPope]

Yeah not all experienced will be the same. I am glad you are enjoying your chair :)

[@tdub77]

I know it's nuts expensive but I'd love to hear your thoughts on the gaming embody...

[@TristanPope]

Be great if they sent me one haha.

[@tdub77]

@@TristanPope you don’t happen to live close to a showroom do you? I’m also tall and thinking of moving on from my current “gaming chair”. Most of the reviewers are much shorter than I am so not sure what to do. Now that HM doesn’t have free returns I don’t want to take a leap without more info on it

[@uberscientist]

I picked one up surplus and I agree with your complaints (6'1", 185lb) The armrests are terrible (no cushion) and I just started getting tailbone pain after using it for just under a month. I also experienced the lumbar support slipping, you can find other videos of this. You lift it up and it immediately slips down. I end up using it with the back slightly leaned back to overcome some of the issues you point out, like the feeling of being pushed out of the chair It's looking like I'm probably going to pick up an Aeron from a surplus dealer. Seems like a lot of youtube reviewers (and the guy I bought it from) really like this chair, but after actually using it I am not impressed!

[@msolace580]

i heard better things on the gaming embody too, but it also isnt a cross leg sitter. im with you on search for chair but im 250 and mesh isn't great if you rock boxers most the time. working from home

[@TristanPope]

Hahaha been there!! Naked sitters ftw.

[@milkmanfitness]

Hey my friend, I’m no fanboy just sharing my honest opinion. I went down the chair rabbit hole during Covid and bought and sold lots of used chairs. Because I couldn’t stomach spending so much on a chair, with that being said I tried many different chairs. So here my opinion. In terms of build quality Haworth is not up there with Steelcase and Herman Miller. I’ve tried Embody, Aeron, Amia, Gesture, Leap and many others. But for whatever reason I’ve settled on the fern. It just works for me. Now mine has only the Lumbar option and 4d arms. Nothing more. I’m 5’11 and 280lbs. After seeing reviews online and on KZbin I really believe that chairs are hit or miss. Once again the build quality is not up there with Herman Miller and Steelcase but my chair has been solid, no issues. Btw I paid $300 for mine used on Facebook marketplace…. Fyi I sit anywhere from 1 hour to 8 hours sometimes. I wonder if my chair is more solid because it’s basic or if the manufacturing took a hit. But the chair works for me. Mine doesn’t even have the locking mechanism to keep upright. The tension does the job. Anyways just sharing my experience

[@TristanPope]

Extremely helpful! I am so glad you got a chair that works for you! Specially since you are not a common height / weight. Also for 300$ THAT IS WORTH EVERY PENNY! Great find I hope it lastys you a good long time. And yeah as for quality, the Herman Millers and Steelcase's are much higher. But 300$!!!! Get it!!

[@milkmanfitness]

@@TristanPope On another note, I did buy those armpads you recommended and oh boy are they good. Thanks for the recommendation. I also would love to see you review other chairs lol, your good.

[@TristanPope]

Thank you. Maybe check out these two? The Gold Standard Herman Miller Aeron & Why I Am Replacing It kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWPPfoZ6qNmpqK8 EXPOSED: The Truth About Crandall's Refurbished Steelcase Leap V2! kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZpo

[@MamieRebecca]

Haha loved the part where you tested the chairs tilt! Looks cool, but unsure about the $ tag.

[@TristanPope]

Yeah the perch functionality is great but the rest of the chair was just meh for the price.

[@jscb7003]

Thanks, this is exactly what i needed. Someone who likes the comfort of a gaming chair looking for something new. Gonna watch the rest of your journey, cheers

[@TristanPope]

You are very welcome let me know how it goes! haha. Deep rabbit hole

[@grants5036]

After trying a Aeron and Mirra 2, bought a brand new Leap and zero pains or regrets. If I was in the US I would have bought a Crandall refurb.

[@TristanPope]

That’s my next plan :) hope it works out. Will let ya all know.

[@mahkeemdehmah10boo87]

I was considering this chair or the Herman Miller Embody, Whats your take on the embody? I have not found a video about it in your channel

[@TristanPope]

Hey there! I did not do a review of the Embody. For 2000$ I expect it to cool, warm, and hug me when I feel down. It will likely never be on this channel unless they send me one. But even if it is god's gift of chairs, I cannot approve of that price. This chair used to be 800$!!! 800$ They improved nothing but raised it to 2000$ I respect that company, they have done me well for the last 20 years, but that is highway robbery. But if I get one, trust me the review will be here., Thanks for watching!

[@mahkeemdehmah10boo87]

@@TristanPope Honestly I can't argue with that. Plus getting the Embody is really not attractive where I live, Even the Fern isnt (only 1 color and back stiching and also way over priced) . But the more I look at it, The more it looks like to me the Fern is the more attractive option if I had to choose between the Embody and the Fern. And some other options are also just not aviable over here. And I did the mistake of buying a gaming chair, Never doing that to myself again. Thank you for the reply I hope ill find a chair that will fit me well

[@TristanPope]

@@mahkeemdehmah10boo87 Where is "Here"? Cause I bet there are still better options!

[@mahkeemdehmah10boo87]

@@TristanPope I’m not too comfortable writing that in a YT comment sorry ^^’ but yeah aside from a few big names we are missing many products unfortunately :/ I also wanna try the Aeron, Even tho I heard that frame limits how you sit I don’t actually sit in many different positions myself so might as well check it ya know? Do you have other recommendations?

[@TristanPope]

@@mahkeemdehmah10boo87 No worries sub and hopefully I'll make more as I am on my journey :) You can also go to my written website news.craftingworlds.com

[@jamtart22]

sitting in my fern right now and im not very happy about it. it's so fucking leaned back and i can't sit forward :(

[@TristanPope]

Sorry

[@PaivikkiKahkonen]

look... i got this with a headrest, XBOX style, looks great, but yeah.. you right... you right....

[@TristanPope]

That one looked cool too and I almost got it, but glad I didn't. How do you like the leather seat btw?

[@heldervasconcelos1045]

nice video, i was going to buy this. i live in europe i work remote 8 hours per day got scoliosis so i though buying a good ergonomic chair to help with the pain, would you be so kind to sugest me some?

[@TristanPope]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJ-pdXeNoc6rpKssi=4lmTginJXVsML9KN

[@heldervasconcelos1045]

@@TristanPope this is a link for a keyboard :D

[@TristanPope]

This is why you should never KZbin before coffee. kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZposi=d23yJZM50_tHxUu8

[@BeatriceBasescu]

SUBBED waiting for LEAP 2 REVIEW

[@TristanPope]

I hope to have more info soon! Emailed them for more info at Crandall

[@deathmetalcakefarts2751]

Look bro I am an office worker I sit in a steel case Leap V2 every single day of my effing life it’s the greatest chair ever created there’s not even a competition I have older models literally from the first year that the leap V2 was sold and they look like a brand new chair even to this day the build quality is meant to last over 25 years no one has even hit the level of comfort the aesthetics and ergonomically design of the v2

[@TristanPope]

@@deathmetalcakefarts2751 Sounds promising.

[@RaiderNation126]

appreciate this review and exactly Most of us are like 5'9 5'10 goddamit short ppl lol

[@TristanPope]

Happy to help!

[@tastykimchiOFDOOM]

Everything about this chair seems like it was better designed for shorter people. 1. The backrest's default lower back curvature is quite low. The lumbar support attachment is uncomfortably hard and seems like an afterthought 2. The armrests can be set lower which greatly minimizes the wiggle compared to having them fully or near fully extended 3. The backrest while is taller than most other chairs is too short for taller people to rest their heads on 4. Lighter people bottom out the seat cushion less 5. Shorter people can keep the seat panned closer to the backrest meaning there is no awkward empty gap without proper lumbar support 6. Because shorter people can keep the seat panned closer to the backrest, the seat naturally shifts its center of gravity inward

[@TristanPope]

Agreed.

[@TheMrKlassy]

Fern back on "sale" now. Debating on getting one to see how bad it really is, seeing they have 100% free returns.

[@TristanPope]

I wouldn’t ever order it just for fun. Kinda lame for the company regardless. Now looking at the sale prices, that makes this chair a lot easier to digest. Even if expensive still, the Xbox and Halo versions are quite well priced for the features. Even a Zody is on sale which I would recommend over this.

[@TheMrKlassy]

@@TristanPope Well if it's as good as they say it is, then I'd gladly keep it. But if it's a cheap mess, then no. It's $1117 for black digital knit without lumbar.

[@TristanPope]

⁠honestly for that price with inflations if ya like it keep it. Not much else in that price range unless you get refurb or stay tuned for my leap 2 Crandall review :)

[@sasso3844]

yep, I always said it and I'm at a point where I ahve to roll my eyes when I see people glazing the fern. I probably tried 10 of all these expensive ergo chairs you can think of, almost all from steelcase, hm, a couple other brands and haworths fern. Haworths fern was the cheapest feeling and most uncomfortable one. The arms are extremly cheap feeling, so flimsy, thin and hard. The seat feels tiny (many companies make them too small, but it's even worse on the fern with the edge and the gap when you pull out the seat. I'm only 5'9 and almost all felt too small in that regard. I also do like to sit on a leg sometimes. I just want a chair seat to feel more spacious to feel comfy) Steelcase chairs, like the gesture had similar issues and quality issues like the fabric of the back on the gesture and leap v2 are just glued on with a thin spray and they already, slightly detached from the padding underneath within the first week I had them, then the hard and flimsy armpads as well, maybe not AS bad as the fern but still, my 300 dollar ergo chair has better quality and still felt better after 10 years, no squeak anywhere, no flimsiness on the arms, nothing, no cut off leg circulation on the thighs. The best out of the many I tried, all the ones over 1-1,5k, were the Aeron Remastered C (even for my height, their height charts are only made for people sitting straight in one position without ever moving and then taking breaks, plus the bigger size overall made it possible to dodge the frame the best, not completely which was ultimately, sadly, still reason enough not to pay that much for the chair. They could do better if they wanted to. they're just riding that old wave) The embody sadly also gave me numb thighs from just the hammock design of the seat, not from an incorrect seat depth or height of the chair. I tried everything, even inserting a really soft foam, still made my thighs and butt go numb. And then there is the worst part about the embody.. the lumbar. rock hard no option to set it up and it hits right on this spot as you described 9:13 I never in my entire life had pain anywhere from long long hours of sitting on my pc chairs. I experienced pain for the first time ever, with those expensive chairs. People wanna tell you "you have to adjust to it" but that's a cope, no matter how bad your posture is a really good chair should fix that, correct it without any of those problems for weeks and months. Wrong pelvis posture or coccyx pain? A lumbar should correct it with padding, in a subtle way, without pain right from day 1, over time. otherwise something is wrong and you guarantee yourself to adapt to something that's bad. they are all really a scam. Vote with your money, don't just keep them and force it. The price need to go down, the comfiness needs improvement and the overall quality need to get better especially if they wanna call these high priced chairs to be the highest "premium" class. cut the warranty by half and give me a much much higher quality where I'm confident I don't need 10 years of warranty, It will just last.

[@TristanPope]

Preach. But maybe with a few breaks next time haha.

[@terrance9043]

You ever get the leap V2? I am debating between the leap V2 or steelcase Amaia

[@TristanPope]

Should be here soon. Just waiting on Crandall Offices to ship it out :) Stay tuned!

[@TristanPope]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZpo got it

[@anonanon4194]

Thank you for this review, will stick with the aeron.

[@TristanPope]

You’re welcome.

[@DuBstep115]

I hate that people only talk about 3 names in office chair bussies. In Nordic countries there are 3 companies that make 3000€ chairs for companies Kinnarps, Isku and Martela. They sell them refurbished on outlet for 400-600€ and they are 2x better than Haworth.

[@TristanPope]

Murica

[@litolito1893]

THANK YOU, THANK YOU! I'm in the market for an office chair but the prices are ridiculous, clearly overpriced. I was interested in buying the Hbada E3 which is $549 yet 15 different reviewers received them for free so is worth $549!? It also wobbles like a cheap chair, etc., I refuse to overpay!

[@TristanPope]

@@litolito1893 welcome. Def check out Crandall! kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZposi=xJ3o_Hj7aljcpf4V

[@UOAlive]

Steelcase from Crandall sounds interesting, please review it here too!

[@TristanPope]

Hope to! It seems really promising with their adjustements

[@kieran8118]

Dam. I was going to buy one. Lucky I saw this

[@TristanPope]

Glad I could help!

[@Archont4000]

Thank you! I was looking for a review by someone over 6', and this is the closest one I was able to find.

[@TristanPope]

Welcome.

[@jazminforbes209]

It really irritates me when people complain about supply and demand 😑

[@TristanPope]

Ditto.

[@e2k220]

I wish I found out about good ergonomic chairs years ago when they were reasonably priced. Too bad I was literally a child 6 years ago at 13 lol.

[@gbk574]

Great review.. Thanks man.

[@TristanPope]

Happy to help!

[@Tygertec]

i will never pay more than 200 for a chair, and even the 200 is too much... i got the SENSE7 Knight for less than 100$ and it is absolutely amazing. it has some shortcomings with the armwrests being plastic sponge wrapped by textile (and yes i went with a textile version because i have cats and they destroyed my leather chair) but i can swap those out whenever they die on me. anything beyond 200 is ludicrous and inexcusable

[@TristanPope]

Whoa that tangent on the poor kitties :(

[@marstrain7857]

great video, thank you

[@TristanPope]

Welcome!

[@DavidLongo22]

I'm sure you're realized by now that you can adjust the lumbar upwards. At its lowest point, I'm not sure who it's built for. I'm shorter than you so I didn't move mine WAY up, but it's higher than the lowest point.

[@TristanPope]

Yeah even at its highest it was wrong for me. The back of that chair is so weird. Now with the new halo version I got knit and leather seat and pillow it’s a lot different review soon.

[@DavidLongo22]

@@TristanPope Well, having a better feel for your preferences now, I'm hoping I didn't mislead you when I said that I thought you'd like the Leap V2. You and I are polar opposites with chair-related values, but I'm still hopeful that the Leap is a good one for you. I made plenty of popcorn (to wait with) ;)

[@TristanPope]

@@DavidLongo22 Nah, And David and I spoke in length I have no doubt that chair will be great! And if not their service and prices are out of this world.

[@trilhosdoalgarvebtt]

It´s crazy man, people are all out of their minds, but as long as there are still people buying those extremly overpriced products, there is no reason for manufacturers to lower prices, realy people have no sense of the economic and social reality we all strugle to live in... let´s stop buying products that are wxtremly overpriced...

[@TristanPope]

Yup. We control the market. We just don’t seem to want to. Very dystopian.

[@joejojo5966]

So if you didnt sit on your leg like you said you do on the aeron, then it would be perfect?

[@TristanPope]

Pretty much. Best chair I’ve ever had. I would say though it does dig in sometimes even if ya move to the edge. So just be aware.

[@YanLefebvre]

So glad i found this video , i was just about to order one based on all the good reviews online....

[@TristanPope]

Glad I could help! Check out my leap 2 video.

[@noahvanooijen6640]

I tried the leap and HATED it because of exactly what u described. The sliding seat pan and the gap in the back and the sensation of falling off the chair all day. Ended up just getting an embody cus i could get it for basically 550-600 ish and loving it so far.

[@noahvanooijen6640]

As a 5'9 gymrat myself and from what u said in this vid. U would probably like the embody i reckon.

[@TristanPope]

I also like money. So unless someone sends me on I’ll never get it. The creaking that chair makes too is too much for my voice over work. I have a personal issue with the pricing of that chair. Doesn’t mean it isn’t great. I don’t know. But I cannot get myself to cough out 2100$ to have a warranty with a chair made of mostly plastic that can break. Without warranty that chair is scary to own.

[@noahvanooijen6640]

@@TristanPope u make fair points tbf but i have the regular embody (which doesnt make any noise) and mine was only 1100€ and its a write off of the profit and taxes of my parents company sp basically got it new for 550 ish. Ill take that tbh

[@TristanPope]

⁠sounds like ya got a good deal while maintaining the warranty. Which I think is worth it. But if you are not writing it off on taxes and are not getting a major sale and maintaining the warranty it’s a hard sell over the Herman miller Aeron which I already own ya know?

[@noahvanooijen6640]

@@TristanPope ye i fully understand. Defo also easier to invest when its my first decent office chair when ive been using one of them dxracer gaming chairs for a good 5 years now. 😂 figured it was time for an upgrade now that i work from home and do a lot of gaming anyways.

[@ArthurTheLegend420]

Tbh even the new Embody's with extra padding is also a complete joke especially at the price. You will feel the plastic being forced into ur back, they say its lumbar support but cmon lol, its just horrible. Def cant recommend the Embody. Tried the Aeron and it was better but havnt daily driven it like i have Embody.

[@TristanPope]

@@ArthurTheLegend420 this is where I landed and they are working with atlas to make a headrest! kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZposi=qBqS7O4wwiZCZLuv

[@bendirval3612]

I have a Zody and I hated it until I learned the secret code about how to engage the perch functionality. Crazy how important dialing in these chairs is. BTW, you said you have the lumbar support. It is supposed to move up and down. Does it not move as far up as you want it to? Have you tried it without (I'm not sure how hard it is to remove)? I have never sat in a fern, so I'm just going off what I have seen in the same reviews you watched.

[@TristanPope]

You are absolutely right when it comes to dialing in your own chair. I will say the lumbar support in the back is erroneous when the back of the chair has a design that is already curved in a poor position with a limited amount of space to move the bubble in the back sadly. I have lumbar on my Aeron as well and dialing it in is quite easy compared to what they designed. It’s a shame.

[@shrek22]

More vids pls!!!

[@TristanPope]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZpo

[@11m0]

Ordered Fern 2 days ago. Wonder if I'll feel the same

[@TristanPope]

I would be VERY interested to hear. Please circle back and let me know!

[@TristanPope]

So any updates? Holding my breath for ya!

[@11m0]

@@TristanPope Haven't gotten it yet... arriving in 2 days

[@TristanPope]

@@11m0 Which one did ya get?

[@11m0]

@@TristanPope Lagoon, Digital Knit, no lumbar

[@VernaTina]

Chair too pricey for what it offers. 🤨 Better alternatives out there.

[@TristanPope]

truth

[@LonelyGamr]

chair companies are def taking the piss

[@TristanPope]

Agreed

[@marvinl7450]

Thank you for saving my ass. I almost bought a Fern. Which chair are you currently using? Have you been able to test the Embody in the meantime? Best regards from Germany

[@TristanPope]

I got this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZpo and still love it!

[@marvinl7450]

@ Thanks. I'll visit a Steelcase vendor next week.

[@orangeclayproductions160]

Looks uncomfortable. Did you lower it? Your feet are barely touching the ground in the video and the seat cushion is so much higher than the HM

[@TristanPope]

Of course this was just me being the right height for the video.

[@NeluDobre-pl6hq]

seems bad, not really worth the high price? 🤔 Need more convincing before I make the investment.

[@TristanPope]

Hope to have more chair reviews for ya coming up as I go on this journey!

[@TheMrKlassy]

looks like the arms wobble as much as the steelcase products lol

[@TristanPope]

Really? I didn't know they had a lot of wobble. What chair do you have?

[@TheMrKlassy]

@@TristanPope - I had an Amia. It was actually pretty comfortable but had a few issues such as the wobbly armrests/seat and the adjustable lumbar would constantly slide back down. I have a gaming embody now... feels very well built but it isn't comfortable imo. I've only had it a few weeks though so maybe it'll get better. It also punishes you like your aeron for not always being in an ergonomic position. Anyways, I enjoyed the review! It's a breath of fresh air compared to all of these other "reviewers" just selling it.

[@TristanPope]

@@TheMrKlassyAhh yeah that sounds crappy. I have heard the embody kinda gets worse over time and for 2 grand.. come on.. that chair was 800 bucks in 2022. It's crazy to me. Glad you enjoyed the review, sometimes I feel like I get too ranty, however I think sometimes, we as the consumers are not ranty enough and need to really speak with our wallets.

[@TheMrKlassy]

@@TristanPope @TristanPope I got the embody for 1470 plus tax, which was already crazy... but now they jacked it up to $2000 base price. Out of their minds lol. Not sure if I want tp keep it or not... was thinking maybe leap v2 and just dealing with whatever I get lol. Was looking at the Fern again but your review just reinforced what I've heard elsewhere... also looks like it's a cheap chair. The quality for most of these chairs doesn't match the price tag.

[@TristanPope]

@@TheMrKlassyI’m chatting with Crandall right now so hopefully that will materialize soon 600$ for a refurbished leap 2 if the chair is awesome is a fine price. And they seem to really pick up the short comings of the design. We shall see!! Will def make a review.

[@BeeRoyLee]

This video is hilarious 😂

[@Nynyso]

You should give a try to a steelcase gesture, i think that chair might suit you more

[@TristanPope]

I tried the leap :)! kzbin.info/www/bejne/epykqKusgZljZpo

[@tacosyk]

You mention that you're feeling it bottom out, I'd consider it quite a bit thicker than most others. I think it's moreso the fact that the pad hasnt broken in yet as I had the same feeling as well when I first got it.

[@TristanPope]

So I am used to a very stiff Aeron and crappy gaming chair as you saw. My butt is quite resilient. Haha. I do indeed feel the bottom out feeling versus the seat just being stiff. The seat is actually pretty soft but there in lies my issue. After 10-20 minutes I feel as though it has depressurized to completely flattened. Meh. Hey saved me 1500$ haha. Will have the leap V2 soon to put through my butt test.

[@RobertoOrtis]

Please review Steelcase gesture 🙏🏼

[@TristanPope]

I did the leap :)

[@casualmime2792]

6'3 and fern is worlds better than an Aeron for me. You can reduce the 'pocket' with two of the adjustments. It is your body, being taller helps bro, they target countries with higher average heights.

[@TristanPope]

I truly am happy you like it. Everyone deserves to like a chair.

[@somelaveenguy6822]

In the video, it looks like you have the chair too high. Your feet are dangling. Your feet should be flat on the floor or against a raised foot rest. This will take the pressure off your butt and back. Agree about the Fern. I sat in one at a showroom and felt like I was being dumped out of the seat. Those loose arms are completely unacceptable for a $1200 chair.

[@TristanPope]

It was for the video not my normal sit height. I was adjusting it back and forth for the video to show it working. Never re-applied the norm.

[@MrRambee]

Shots fired @ahnestly for being 5'6

[@TristanPope]

@@MrRambee nah he’s actually a super nice guy. Talked to him.

[@Factoryseconds123]

The (plastic) Fern build quality is severely lacking. The damn plastic Ferns squeak just rolling them around with no one even sitting in the chair. And I'm talking about 2021 Ferns that have barely been used. The plastic Fern honestly feels like something someone built in their garage. *Specifically*, a garage with a pothole n' mud driveway that practically necessitates a 4x4 with a transfer case, 20 cases worth of warm Bud Light, a "we don't call the cops, we shoot" sign nailed crooked on the door, a tetanus-laden '69 El Camino in the yard, a '04 Ford F-350 7.3L Powerstroke that violates the EPA rulebook more than Diddy violated his party goers, vintage Playboy magazines scattered on the bench next to some Ni-Cad DeWalt tools and over 1000 bottles of Astroglide, empty shotgun shells littering the ground, AR-15s adorning the back wall, 2 Rottweilers chained to a post that have probably committed 1st degree murder (and of course, the obligatory Trump/Vance 2024 yard sign). *That* type of garage; *that* type of build quality. The Fern recommendation comes almost universally from people who no actual Fern experience but have watched enough KZbin Fern propaganda to make Kim Jon Un proud. I've had Fern's for sale in the past and every single person who came to try out a plastic Fern ended up having their hopes and dreams shattered and buying a different chair rather than the Fern they originally wanted so badly. There's nothing solid about a plastic Fern. I've taken them apart, and they are so convoluted versus any other premium brand. The seat is attached to the mechanism with two pieces of plastic and 2 small screws, for one. The seat carrier SHATTERED when I tried to reupholster the Fern by stapling on new upholstery. I've NEVER shattered any seat carrier before, I was SHOCKED to see how flimsy the underside of the seat was. I've fired staples from an overpowered construction-type stapler into 100s of chairs before and the Fern is the only chair, to date, to ever have shattered. On the other hand, I can put more staples than what went into Jesus into a Steelcase or Herman Miller seat carrier and it will never shatter. All the controls on the Fern are cable actuated, just a complete convoluted mess of cables underneath the seat, no direct, metal-gear-to-metal-gear connections like you'd find on most Herman Miller or Steelcase chairs. I wouldn't want to be yanking on the Fern's controls too much, who knows what might happen. As a matter of fact, I was removing a Haworth Zody seat today to re-upholster and the damn seat depth lever fell out for some reason. I was fortunately able to get it back in. And don't even get me started on the PLASTIC tabs holding in the Zody seat, you have to smack them out, which deforms them, and then snap them back in place after just having deformed them. Nice design there.

[@TristanPope]

...

[@Yo12327]

Aeron doesn't need a headrest, your using it wrongly

[@TristanPope]

You’re using the words “your” and “wrongly” incorrect. Yet here we are.

[@ssxxxxss]

Thank you.

[@TristanPope]

You're welcome!