The MYSTERY of the Gundrak Snake Tail

[@TheEbonlilly]

"There is actually less to find here then there is end-game content in warlords of draenor" HAH! Well played.

[@meowdy..]

Hayven just really knows what's going down

[@CyrusTheFrog]

yeah, I like the sick burns from Hayven!

[@Vanderizz]

Rest in peace Hayven we will remember you forever..

[@gokibros4451]

who or what was he, and what happened

[@tek512]

@@gokibros4451 Just a very talented and well liked WoW player and KZbinr. He succumbed to cancer several years ago, unfortunately. I found this channel only after his death. Pity, as he seems like he was a really cool dude.

[@Loanewolfs]

Only Jesse Cox would take a screenshot of a wiggly snake tale and blow it up to a poster size

[@Scrumshiz]

Jesse's snake tail question is approaching meme status. At this point, if we get a Zandalar patch, I think he deserves an NPC in his name: Mojomaker Je'se. Doesn't have to play a major role in the story. Just a troll dude standing in front of a wall with a little snake tail poking out the bottom, while he yells "What does it mean mon?!" Also butterflies. Can't forget butterflies.

[@-Omega]

Hell yea

[@lolumaria]

...Moth Loa could be a thing?

[@jacksonreed9408]

Not butterflies. Space butterflies

[@val7885]

Snake tails and space butterflies mon. What does 'dis mean, we might nevah know!

[@elwoodzmake]

So it was Jesse after all, I recognized the voice, he looks so different though :D

[@Comedymakesmelaugh7]

At 2:25 you can see Chris is desperately trying to figure out a way to bullshit his way outta this.

[@lolumaria]

he always does a good job.

[@bodbyss]

Did he kind of come off like a bit of a jerk to anyone else?

[@Perid0tStar]

Yeah, and there is a little more evidence to point toward Gun Drak being an intended raid. There is a flight path right nearby with a repair vendor and that traditionally wasn't done for normal dungeons. Another thing that strikes me was how a few weapons turned up in the ICC loot table with a troll-design, even though the aesthetic for the rest of the gear is very scourge-based. It seems like some models were already designed for the GunDrak raid and the team didn't want to waste them.

[@AzureRoxe]

@@bodbyss I'm 7 years late, but thanks to all the controversies surrounding Blizzard over the last few years, it turns out most of them have always been jerks, to say the very least.

[@ShigmaChannel]

The fact these guys don't even know what's in their game. Everyone that played then wondered about this. You can tell Metzen never saw it before.

[@Killenmachine05]

so this can basically be chalked up to, "artists put silly things in the game without telling us sometimes"

[@camsmyth101]

Lies all lies they cant be bothered explaining hwy it didn't become anything

[@Killenmachine05]

When you cool as a cucumber if you could please try a little harder that would be so excellent

[@fredfloop6277]

@@whenyoucoolasacucumber finally a good youtube comment

[@falscherkim3033]

I got a serious problem with your content. You spend time in producing your videos, don't use capslock titles or even thumbnails with watermelons..that doesn't fit the standard KZbin content. Just kidding. Keep up the work man, amazing videos!

[@HayvenGames]

Yeah it was either this title or "THE UNBELIEVABLE TERRIFYING MYSTERY OF THE GUNDRAK SNAKE WHICH WILL LEAVE YOU SLEEPLESS AT NIGHT AND BLOW YOUR MINDHOLE!!!!111!!"

[@xAngoryx]

LOOOOL

[@ThantosProduction]

You should seriously name one of your videos like that.

[@keeganoneill4]

(GONE WRONG)

[@selwrynn6702]

There are some giant snake remains you can find in the waters off the coast of Stranglethorn Vale, at least in the Classic version of the game, idk if it got removed with Cataclysm, so very massive snakes are certainly tied to trolls. I would bet though that if they'd made Gundrak a raid that snake would've been one of the bosses

[@sirwilczek1813]

It was his 1st video that i watched... And now he's dead... Fuck cancer... Rest is Peace, I hope u are in better place

[@ethanwright5051]

SIRWilczek miss him so much

[@NessieAndrew]

SIRWilczek What?! He died?!

[@sirwilczek1813]

Nessie Andrew Yeah ;____;

[@NessieAndrew]

SIRWilczek I began watching him 3 days ago...

[@MehrunesKar]

I wish i was necromancer to revive him😢

[@thesilentstorms-]

0:55 Thanks for solving the mystery. I figured it looked something like that when you told me the snake just cut off. This would've been an amazing build up for a raid boss.

[@maelstorm]

If you played vanilla you'll recognize the color pattern and colors from the old ZG Hakkar model (back when you had to pull poison snakes to kill him)

[@josejuanandrade4439]

6:42 Ouch ! Right in the heart, man ! LoL nice one

[@fredrikekholm3718]

Being a game developer myself I can vouch for the "sometimes artists just like to put in cool stuff" thing =)

[@xo47]

RIP man..

[@josejuanandrade4439]

I didn't think it was a "mistake" not to do it, but instead i think it was nice to add about the raid, as many people probably didn't even know there were plans for such raid, and instead it went quiet and forgotten. Again, great video man, thumbs up. Yours is one of my favorite channels, i've watch the evolution of Scholo and SM so many times that i lost count... those 2 bring me back so many good memories. And finaly, i can't wait for the evolution of Sunken Temple !!!

[@drakefire6675]

That burn at the end.

[@Megoover]

I think they should do expansion with all cutted from previous expansions content. Azjol-Nerub, Farahlon, Thal'Dranath and etc. All content that "didn't fit in expansion story".

[@seangannon6005]

well farahlon was the only one that "didn't fit the story". they just scrapped azjol nerub and used it for 2 dungeons and thal'dranath is being replaced by something else as it was too similar to suramar and azsuna

[@Megoover]

Sean Gannon that was just some examples of many things that didn't make it to release "for reason". thal'dranath is really cool place and it's important part of Broken Isles. Instead of "5 brand new locations in the midle of nowhere, new over9000 level cap" they can do things that should be there for long time. Was was waiting for them. And that world is missing them. They can't just infinitely raise level cap and make new end game contnet about which nobody will cares after couple of years.

[@BigHead2615]

I honestly think they'll rehash Northrend content in a later expansion. They're already doing it little by little, look at the end-game content of Cataclysm, with Dragonblight basically being the location of Dragon Soul and such, and even in Legion, players are revisiting some places for their artifact weapons. I highly believe the new Lich King - aka Bolvar Fordragon, who took the crown and duty of becoming the new Lich King after Arthas died in WOTLK - Blizzard will eventually decide that he's become a new threat, now players have to go and kill him, or some bullshit like that. And if that should ever happen, hopefully cut content from WOTLK would finally make it's debut.

[@ShigmaChannel]

@@BigHead2615 Sadly this aged like milk. To our disgrace, shadowlands happened.

[@DrPluton]

I wondered why Blizzard made such a cool and lore-filled zone like Zul'drak (though it was kind of dark and gloomy in color scheme) including that giant building at the end and never did anything with it. I don't know how they would have possibly squeezed in another raid, but it was a missed opportunity. It could have had players helping the ice trolls fight undead trolls and their Scourge emissaries to protect their god spirits from falling to corruption.

[@danmetrou]

They had so much more in wotlk but they scrap it up, they had no time i guess they wanted cata faster...

[@DeathSithe92]

@@danmetrou so originally there was a MASSIVE amount of content for wrath, more than any other expanse to have come before or after, but due to the suits in charge above the dev team had to cut alot of content to make the deadline the suits wanted for its release, there was supposed to be multiple underground world zones that were nerubian inspired kingdoms we were supposed to travel to, all the nerubian dungeons were just the entrances to the further depths of their kingdoms/empire, with a giant spider mount that allowed us to crawl acrossed the walls and cavern ceilings, but this all had to be cut due to time constraints, Zul'drak was another casualty of this, the giant building at the very tip of it was supposed to be a raid and tons of content was supposed to be filled in that zone but once again the share holders/suits in charge above gave the dev team a deadline and said "make it work or pack your shit and find new jobs."

[@patrickmcgee1022]

This was one of the best wow content vids I've seen, very intriguing and very well done!

[@lilbrother21]

I just discovered your channel and I just can't stop because you're showing me things I've wondered about for years, keep up the good work

[@norgun7550]

Hi hayven, I know that you're no longer here, but if you're in heaven thinking about this snake maybe it's sethrak, a loa.

[@Brickinasock]

I watched this before work. Glad time hasnt gone backwards.

[@Northcliffful]

Miss you man! So i just watch all Videos of you again..

[@tynao2029]

Those 5 man WotLK instances were so fun with a geared prot warrior instant queues all day just speedrunning heroics

[@vitorcasarin525]

Love the atmospheric musics from your videos. Keep the good work !

[@WinzuMusic]

Gundrak was planned as Raid and my speculation is that this snake should be a Boss of the instance

[@budmaam]

Either that or the snake tail would serve as the entrance.

[@EmmaKAlexandra]

Seriously, the deadpan reading of that quote is GOLD

[@Kid_Charlemagne]

This popped up as a rec out of the blue again. I smiled and am back to watch your content bro, Rest in Peace.

[@Yagamimoon]

I like the idea of a Gundrak raid in Northrend. The back of the Temple, going down to the east sea, shows a lot of structures, and they look intriguing enough.

[@Sarik0497]

It's really a shame that the only way I get to know about this amazing guy is by finding out about his death. I've only watched two of his videos, and I'm already hooked for more. Rest in peace. You will never be forgotten.

[@LoktarOgar69420]

rest in peace man, thank you for covering this. I love your content. you will be missed

[@boyanski890]

I like coming back to his channel every once in a while... Rest in Peace, Hayven

[@Maljurok]

A good theory, and possibly a really good excuse lore wise, would be that, the snake tail could belong to Hakkar the soul flayer, or rather perhaps his emissary, who convinced the ice trolls to kill their loa so they could gain power. Yet in truth, Hakkar's reasons for "helping them" were just a front to not only take over eventually, but it also could be possible that not even Hakkar's fellow Loa are safe from his lust for blood.

[@AzureRoxe]

Chris Metzen just had this face of "oh my God, when the hell did we even add that? I got no fucking idea. I'll just make a joke about it".

[@zanekwiatkowsky7714]

So cringe when he said super effective.

[@JSalonsky]

LMAO

[@KouD3Graw]

I heard it was a suppose to be a boss that was removed during development for another section of the gundrak area. Maybe a raid boss. Getting info from Blizzard highly depends on who you talk to. Cause I doubt Metzen remembers barely a quarter of the stuff that goes on in WoW due to everyone and every team is in charge of something that he doesn't really watch over closely. I could put a dick in the game and I think it'll take blizzard 5 years to find it hiding in the leg of jaina.

[@ethanwright5051]

damn it hasn't even been a week and I still miss him I cried for 2 hrs because I love his content

[@lightdragoon88]

"If that snaketail has been in FF14, not only would it have had a purpose, it would have shown up as a character two expansions later as part of the ongoing story." - Jess Cox

[@jthewelshwarlord6331]

I think that snake tail is part of a loa (Ula-tek as you mentioned) of titanic proportions

[@thesilentstorms-]

If you were to be able to glitch past the ledge and jump on the snake, would you be able to walk on it or would you fall right through it?

[@HayvenGames]

You fall right through it

[@thesilentstorms-]

Ok, thanks for the quick reply :)

[@ethanwright5051]

Hayven Games miss you even if you can't read this R.I.P

[@SKyh1gh29]

Your videos are incredible my friend. Thank you so much ! Keep it up man . :)

[@user-xk3rb8cw7y]

SKyh1gh29 he's dead.

[@SKyh1gh29]

Yeah,i found out 2-3 min after i posted these comment and watch the last videon on he's chanal. It wass a shock for me,that brought me to tears. May God rest hes soul !

[@onedeadrogue5557]

You mentioned we have never been inside the main building of Gundrak. I love your videos and I would love to see if there is some hidden rooms within the instance or in the uninstanced version as well.

[@xx8782]

Thank you for this video... i'm a lil disappointed there wasn't more to the snake. like most people. i too have wondered about the snake and what was at the back of that wall. at least i know now :) xx wonderful work as usual x thumbs up from me

[@ariochiv]

Nice little dig there are the end about the endgame content (or lack thereof) in Warlords of Draenor. :D

[@s.u.2412]

Occham's Razor, man. It was something someone designed which looked cool and they probably had some basic ideas of what to do with it and it was forgotten about.

[@supersendojarren]

I don't even play this game idk why this was recommended to me. but now I gotta know what is this snake

[@TheLollercaster]

really thank yo for this video, I really wanted to find out more about this tail. a Gundrak raid would have been awesome.

[@jeefermac]

Ahaha, thank you SO much for this. I was just in there the other day & wondering yet again wtf that snake tail was for! 😂

[@AHSeanR]

Played WoW since TBC and had no idea this was even there, it's a very interesting and I highly assume it's just something to look cool for the dungeon, and could expand into the Gun'drak raid, which sadly never made it

[@rogerklotz7737]

the andwer from blizz is really disappointing

[@MrXaihnz]

"From the space that is everywhere and nowhere, the crooked serpent feasts on stars." - Il'gynoth

[@dalkaru]

you're awesome, man! love the voice xD

[@TippyCraft]

Thank you for doing this video. Also thanks for mentioning me.

[@wearethemusicyoumake]

oooooooooooo dat burn on wod thou got em

[@TheFoxpower153]

This is right up my alley. WHY DIDN'T I KNOW ABOUT THIS!!!!

[@suntzurecords6465]

Keep up the good work man

[@Bathrezz1]

Snake tail? Interesting, I always thought it was a long floating kite.

[@Altoroc]

Holy shit that WoD burn at the end. Golden.

[@Brandon4EK]

I remember speculation that this thing escaped from Uldum back in the day, when it was just a giant door.

[@xAngoryx]

The answer that the developer gave pretty much sums up the state of World of Warcraft, they literally have no idea what they are doing until we tell them what we want, then they tell us we think we want that but we don't. Love your videos mate and probably why I continue to watch, but seeing that idiot talk reminded me the reason I left the game.

[@BotLaneTaken]

Exactly the reason I stopped playing as well.

[@LikeButton7]

Obviously it's the soul flayer

[@Kermeous]

Liked, i found this really interesting!

[@PatriciaHenson]

Loved it, thank you sir!:)

[@byrner510]

Well just want to say that it's probably the off spring of the snake loa that dies in the area, it may of intended to be a massive boss in a further encounter (like King dred) but it was likely just ment to be a model design

[@peytonc18]

I've never seen that Jesse Cox blizzcon video til now, it's amazing young jesse!

[@Napoleon74x]

Every time now i hear this voice i cry... RIP man...

[@GabrielSparkletits]

Metzen at 2:22 "This is what I created. This is my legacy."

[@FancyTophatDude]

damn.. i was so excited to get into that final building all the way on top of gun'drak when i leveled my first character there just to find out nothing would ever be there... they should just do an expansion where they wrap up every little story they cut out at some point

[@DooblesGoDoobles]

It looks like hakkar. Is it hakkar? Kinda has hakkars colours

[@Adzmataz]

A Zul Drak raid would have been a pretty cool addition

[@cait-eriona2631]

Soon at the end.. The journey we all had getting there was great.

[@g.o.d.6752]

Thanks for the repost

[@HayvenGames]

Yeah, I followed the comments and really regretted not talking about the Gundrak raid speculations. And eventually I just had to correct my mistake otherwise it would have bugged me forever...

[@xZombiexNation]

Lore? Trolls? I don't think Blizzard has ever uttered those words within an hour of each other.

[@frostynights]

That WoD roast at the end tho

[@sebastianponzo89]

SAVAGE HAYVEN IS SAVAGE

[@Indubidably0]

Gundrak raid was one of those things they managed to not fuck themselves on and promise us beforehand. Instead, it's something that as a player, you only catch on to the fact we were shorted on more content later down the line. It's so blatantly obvious that was meant to be a WotLK troll raid that they scrapped for whatever reason.

[@samscorpio]

I strongly believe it was for the (scrapped) raid of trolls, not surprise that blizz didn't implement troll raid because 1) story actually ends well with gul'drak and 2) there was always heavy backlash around the idea of troll raids since ever (yet they did 2 zul'again in cata, whatever i didn't really play during cata in first place)

[@poprazor]

May your soul rest in peace, Hayven.

[@Maddog3060]

I remember seeing this in Gundrak and thinking "oh crap, that's going to be the final boss, isn't it?" And then... nada, nothing. Way to tease, Blizzard.

[@LY554YT]

Totally forgot about this snake. Even thought I just did Gul'drak in timewalking! I like to think it's just a Loa/Wild God thing that's randomly there.

[@UenoLocker54]

Wrath seemed to have a tremendous amount of content cut and we were given trials of the crusader as an excuse. Maybe a p-server will elaborate and try to make some custom content to make it a proper expansion.

[@Goshujinsama01]

gundrak would've been better than Trial of crusader...

[@Korelock990]

again I must say savage XD at the end

[@elixxon]

OMG IT JUST CAME UPON ME!!! What if, it is just a regular gigantic snake chilling around having no care in the world? Can't a snake snake in peace nowadays? THINK ABOUT THE SNAAAAAKES!!!!

[@leroylol]

Like the question asking dude at blizzcon, somthing else has been eating at me for a very long time. In the instance escape from durnhold, aka old hillsbarad, there is a village that shows up on the map on the west side. When you try to go to it, there is first green smoke that gets more dense as you go and then there is an invisable wall. You litterally cant go thru it. My friend actually used a hack just to try to go thru, and the hack ment for going thru invis walls wouldnt let you. The freecam mod works just fine and even then you couldnt go thru (the invis wall hack works just fine mind you :p) I was wondering if one of your tools can see the village and hopefully its good enough for a video if you decide to take a look :) It looks like blizz really doesnt players to see whats here, but why put it in the game? I havent tried going there outside of the instance, but its old hillsbarad...its probably not there uninstanced. This dungeon came out in TBC, so the cataclysm has nothing..

[@leroylol]

To do with it. But idk, I should probably check out what it is in the uninstanced version. Or if you could that would be great! Otherwise keep up the great work and as always great video and I hope that you are beating cancers ass!

[@loljustice31]

That "English" was almost physically painful. That said, I believe he has a video up about this instance.

[@sirpummelington4826]

It was there uninstanced pre-cataclysm. It was part of some of the earlier horde quests in hillsbrad. Post cataclysm, I think it has been taken over and built over my some mad forsaken characters (i don't know the exact story, i haven't quested there since Wrath).

[@AKhellbindeR]

It's just Pre Cata Hillsbrad fields, an Alliance NPC town with crop fields, a few houses, a city hall building and a blacksmith. A lot of Horde quests send you there. It's not an Alliance quest hub, Southshore is for that. After Cata, the Forsaken from Tarren Mill has taken it.

[@KMMNDHKrazydude]

Goodnight, Guardian of the Light.

[@DZombieDragon]

I actually thought it was a reference to Hakkar the Soulflayer, the colour scheme is very similar. Also, the whole Gundrak raid thing, wasn't it like a lot of things and just cut content? Cause then the 'preview' would make sense. They did it with the Throne of the Tides, where they left Neptulon's story unfinished since they never released the Abyssal Maw. In all seriousness though, I always thought it was just a reference to Hakkar, since the trolls in Zul'Gurub worshipped him and it is a troll dungeon (albeit a different type of troll, but trolls nontheless lol). Love your videos man :D

[@QuestionableObject]

They should really have the art director on those panels so they can actually explain the decision to put things in places.

[@JacenLP]

6:42 sick burn :D

[@adeliadunkelberg8297]

The tail kinda has the same color as Harkkars tail. (Harkkar, i dont know if i am spelling that right, was the final boss in Zul´gurub up to cataclysm where Zul´gurub was chanced to a dungeon and Harkkar was deleted from the instance and replaced with Jin´zo The Godbreaker as the final boss, btw rest in peace Hayven i will miss you so much) :(

[@Cyberium]

I thought it's the remnant of the Gundrak raid (supposedly the huge citadel) hinting a boss that's suppose to be in it.

[@chakrazoo]

I always felt it was some "Hakkar" type that we might see later :)

[@manga2564]

3:00 is an honest answer to how blizzard make lore nowdays

[@TerinaGames]

I hope one day if they do a Bolvar expansion we go back to an updated Northrend which has changed over the years. Where we will see the huge Nerubian zone and have a Gundrak raid plus whatever else. I wouldn't mind doing Wrath all over again ;P

[@josejuanandrade4439]

That will be expansion no. 12 i think. I mean, think about it, they reused Draenor in a way, they brough back Illidan and Gul'dan, they brough back the legion, i mean yeah this is not TBC but another burning legion themed xpac. In cata pretty much they re-did the vanilla content so most everything from 1 to 60 were new again (and it failed like new-coke but hey, they tried) So most likely they will bring back the undead theme with Northrend 2.0, maybe this time we get that underground AN zone, the Gundrak raid, another titan raid, Naxxramaxs 3.0, Wrathion bussines with the leftovers of the black dragon sanctum, they already brough back Ulduar in Legion, so that place can be like our base of operations, so we can commune with the sleeping titan spirit and i see they could use that as an excuse for one of those "imbue your armor with the power of the titans" gear up scheme, and finaly they could make tuskar and wolvar playable races.

[@TerinaGames]

That would be so awesome, do you think Bolvar will cause the scourge to be fiery? like he did to the helm of domination?

[@josejuanandrade4439]

Well, im sure they will do reflect some changes. But can't just be all on fire, after all are undeads. Bolvar is an exceptional case cause he turned that way due to the breath of alextraza in his body infected by the plague. In Legion we go to Icecrown and the whole place turned even more frosty. BUT if you don't mind me to spoil you - One of the artifact weapons, makes us fight against an Undead fire mage, and she calls down some fiery undead, like fiery vyrkul skelents, a fiery version of the dogs before Putricide and her biggest minion is a fiery version of Lord Marrowgar, the first boss in ICC RAID.

[@TerinaGames]

Oh wow, that is amazing!

[@valecrassus7835]

I don't think it's at all a question if they intended to have a Gundrak raid of some kind. With all the quest lines involving the Northrend trolls and their rash, desperate moves to keep the Scourge at bay? Not to mention there's no other reason to have the huge temple at the far end of Zul'Drak with a 5 man out front of it. They just didn't get around to it or opted to implement Trial of the Crusader instead (which was likely far, far cheaper to produce). I'd also imagine by now there's not many, if any, folks left on the team that worked on designing Zul Drak originally.

[@TheLightningFalcon]

The color of the snakes scales seems to be the same as Hakkar

[@Kokkenbollz]

wow you make(made idk) rlly great videos

[@Malachite7]

What if it's Yogg Saron just fucking with us? He just put some troll blood on his tentacle, and voila.

[@catnium]

i can clearly remember there being a bid about this tail being some kinda god like creature or its avatar the trolls worshiped being told by some npc during some storylines in the area at some point when i was lvling up to lvl cap back in wrath.

[@dylanezell1423]

I can see them almost making a gundrak raid. there has been troll based end game in vanilla tbc cata and mop maybe they decided to give the trolls a break last minute

[@MCMortus]

I always find i strange that we never enter the main building of Gundrak. We only get in one of its side buildings