HAZ x DUGIN: Fascism, Žižek and Lacan

[@emila6]

The most consequential discussion to start off 2025! 👏

[@InfraredShow]

Thanks so much!

[@Raydaruckuz]

Good to see Haz hasn't completely abandoned this channel.

[@EggEnjoyer]

He cant upload on it anymore because it'll get banned. It already had strikes and his entire channel could be taken down just by making the "wrong" comments on ongoing conflicts.

[@e.r.j.798]

​@@EggEnjoyer do you know where he uploads ?

[@Ratimir101]

Is there other channel then?

[@TonyNaber]

@@Ratimir101 doesn't he also co-administer the Papi Chulo channel? If not, whose channel is it?

[@RaulCashflow1916]

@@Ratimir101 he’s been going live on kick for ages now, rumble channel “infrared archive” for the vods

[@infrawiki]

The arc of history is long and it bends towards this video being uploaded

[@DiscipleOfHeavyMeta1]

4:01 Dugin also is a supporter of Pan-Africanism and even prefaced works by Pan-Africanist Kémi Séba.

[@juliant8442]

and capitalists support pizza parties

[@Scere]

@@juliant8442You’re missing the entire point, but that’s to be expected with you guys. He supports Pan-Africanism because it aligns with his values, not because he wants to reinforce a relationship. Seriously, what even is the comparison?

[@iavv334]

What a time to be alive to get discussion like this

[@jodawgsup]

discussion? how stoned are you?

[@N0n0b0dy]

Literally one of the worst times to have an intellectual, spiritual conversation. Dugin is a pseudo intellectual, he’s like a Walmart brand Evola except a 3rd worldist on top of it

[@soniccommunist]

​@@N0n0b0dy Evola is the opposite of third worldists.

[@noobzie8963]

@@N0n0b0dy Who would you consider a real intellectual today?

[@noobzie8963]

@@N0n0b0dy I agree with you, but still who would you consider as an intellectual today other than Dugin?

[@astrominister]

INFRARED RISING

[@hank12-z7w]

Billions must escape the anglo-box.

[@infrawiki]

One view at a time

[@toothbrush4741]

Extremely powerful speech. W Infrared. W Dugin.

[@haroldgraphene]

Are you in Technocracy Inc?

[@nkvd1606]

*Dugin voice*: BASED

[@nekocekoBiHMK]

BASTE*

[@tyemich8820]

3:56

[@sleepercel]

Watching this on my TV Right now

[@andrey-uf1tg]

The death of Darya Dugina in 2022 attracted media attention to her father, but, IMHO, Dugin is not "Putin's advisor". Now, the Russian authorities have declared liberals the main enemy (although in terms of economic approaches they themselves are liberals). Putin, in my opinion, has never taken philosophy seriously: both when he was a member of the Communist Party and now. He sometimes quotes philosophers more for effect (to look smart), but, like many from the late USSR, considers philosophy empty babble. The only reason for Dugin's popularization in Russia is his anti-liberalism and, most importantly, the fact that he supports Putin. The reason for the conflict between the Russian authorities and the West is not "Russian traditional values" and not "European values" (in my opinion, the very concept of "European values" has a racist subtext), but material values. If Haz calls himself Infrared, he should have ended the conversation at the 5th minute, when Dugin said that he is not a communist. BTW, now in Russia Dugin is remembered much less often than in 2022.

[@villageleninist]

Haz's got a problem: he's self-taught, so his knowledge of marxist-leninist philosophy is not systematized well enough. It's OK that Dugin is not a communist, it's not OK that Dugin is an idealist.

[@jcfools8942]

@@villageleninist All Communists throughout history have been self-taught, that includes all the great communist leaders.

[@villageleninist]

@@jcfools8942 Nope. Marx was doctor of philosophy, Lenin was a lawyer, Stalin was his disciple.

[@NukeTelAviv]

Bot

[@radun.1557]

I've been looking forward to this!

[@cianr365]

Extreme respect for staking your own thoughts in this conversation and giving us an interview with Dugin from a perspective never seen before. Infrared stays rising

[@PartyComrade]

This will be remembered in history.

[@cynicaldreams4301]

As the longest monologue by someone telling you why he is not a fascist while not saying anything at all

[@Lawns-Are-Fun]

@@cynicaldreams4301if he says he’s not a fascist what exactly do you want him to do? Does he have to put up vote Stop Trump posters everywhere lol?

[@alexjeffrey3981]

@@Lawns-Are-Fun he could start by explaining what fourth theory is without leaning on excessively esoteric phrasing. He's almost as bad as Haz for esotericising things for no reason (to make himself look smart)

[@MadsenAltamirano]

@@alexjeffrey3981 I agree with this. A person who wants to spread his ideas should communicate in the best way possible for each audience.

[@Black-White-BW1]

By whom?

[@nespith]

Amazing discussion

[@hey01e5]

Powerful

[@cooperward-rc1sx]

Nooooo you can't talk to Dugin in a charitable manner!!! You need to talk to judith butler!!!

[@maxkyrus]

Lmao

[@Lawns-Are-Fun]

I would talk to Judith Butler but I am too busy crying and screaming about how mean Jackson Hinkle is that I cannot leave my room 😢.

[@mitchie2267]

Kristeva > Butler

[@tobiastobias2419]

Gender is like actually like a spectrum and a lot of like gender expressions intersect with our lives experiences as queer people

[@maxkyrus]

@tobiastobias2419 And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: *male and female he created them.* Genesis 1:27

[@seedee3d]

ACP RISING☀🦍

[@jacobcooke8010]

for the love of all that is good please read even a lick of theory. you will soon see they are just fash in disguise. look at the American Party of Labor if you want an ideologically sound party

[@tonight0000]

2025 off to a good start

[@screwsinabell]

Very welcome discussion. Been a long time coming!

[@kristoferobran4038]

Doesn't his anti modernist stance literally encompass Marxism which is a product of modernism

[@novinceinhosic3531]

Well the notions of modernity are itself vague. Modernity was basically sumed up as the Entlightenment. Now everyone who read Marx knows that he had only few good things to say about it.

[@maxkyrus]

Yes. Hence why Dugin is not a marxist.

[@EmmaBlack-yy7tg]

Yes. He is a reactionary, an anticommunist, and a fascist

[@Zayden.Marxist]

Correct, Marxism originates as an advancement of the legitimate, most profound and highest achievements of liberal thought, i.e. of French Materialism of the 1700's, English Political Economy, and German Classical Philosophy. Lenin explains this in The Three Sources and Three Component Parts of Marxism. Dugin is anti-communist, his ideas are not only incompatible with Marxism, they are opposed to it.

[@simonthedigger2874]

Perfect timing I just finished the drew pavlou debate where he starts spouting that Dugin is a fascist for not liking nato expansion

[@ToluacheLoc]

"You dont like the military group founded by nazis? Guess you're a blackshirt"

[@simonthedigger2874]

@ ok but nato was not founded by nazis. This is a pure capitalist/liberalism creation. My bad I re read your comment my mistake yeah I agree rhe azov was founded nazis

[@ClassWarMatrix]

​@@simonthedigger2874NATO would not have been possible without the military & political leaderships & military infrastructure of Germany at the time. They didn't necessarily found it, but they were absorbed into it wholesale

[@Andyground11]

Thank you:) Wouldn't have minded another 10h talk or so tho x)

[@EricPearce-yj8vp]

Great discussion! Thank you!❤

[@CarlosMartinez-ke6ko]

Dugin is sharp and on-point, as always. Love to see a dissident voice platformed, especially when the Biden/Soros regime is so against free speech.

[@alandrew6153]

Great to see

[@jopeco84]

There is a liberal pipeline towards fascism but not to communism. And fascism is authoritarian capitalism

[@ludviglidstrom6924]

Marxism has its roots in liberalism, in The Enlightenment.

[@Glumclam]

@@ludviglidstrom6924there is a confusion about classical liberalism and American liberalism.

[@JoJo-vg8dz]

Exactly. Fascism is just the anti-communist mode of liberalism.

[@JoJo-vg8dz]

​@Glumclam Liberalism in Europe means free market capitalism. In the US, it means identity politics left wing.

[@MadsenAltamirano]

idk. I went from Libertarianism to Fascism, now 6 years later I'm investigating Marxism-Leninism and Juche. Fascist economical praxis defintely isn't that much different from Communist praxis. That's what has attracted me so far. Accuse Fascism of Capitalism if you'd like but it's more or less the same thing China does, let's put philosophical nitpicks aside. Most fascists aren't able to progress because of racial idolatry and (dare I be blunt) simpleton thinking.

[@comontista3124]

INFRARED IS RISING 🦍❤️‍🔥☀️

[@AnthonySopran0]

Been hearing this for years and barely hear about him

[@DanielDirtyMoney]

Based interview

[@jonathanwolf8900]

"Stalin's Marxism and Problems of Linguistics... is a very Hegelian intervention in Western thought." - Infrared Haz

[@90gonjol]

The true thinkers of modern era

[@Booer]

Can’t wait to listen to

[@matyascorvinus918]

glorious upload

[@towarzysztowarzysza48]

Great

[@ElViejo1]

Thought provoking

[@pietrocavanni1500]

Good interview

[@letdaseinlive]

I appreciate that he gets the importance of Zizek as the Thalassocracic double. Of Dugin as the Chthonic.

[@JohnDorian-j7x]

Is this an inside joke I'm missing?

[@letdaseinlive]

@JohnDorian-j7x Dugin teaches Mackinder made the distinction for geopolitical strategy. Russians, land power. Zizek was raised mainly in Portorož, cosmopolitan ideas of an Adriatic port town. The distinction goes back more loosely to Athens sea empire as against the landed gentry which often plays a big role in Platonic dialogues (cf. Leo Strauss).

[@alexjeffrey3981]

@@JohnDorian-j7x he's just saying zizek is dugin's counter but from the globalist perspective. Because seafaring (thassalocratic) empires tend to be more globalised. But using needlessly esoteric terms, in the Haz tradition.

[@antibaathism]

You're wrong haz always elaborates on his definition and even simplify concepts not just "needlessly" being esoteric for its sake

[@letdaseinlive]

@@alexjeffrey3981 No. It's a theory of Geopolitics in Mackinder. And it has ancient homologies. Knock off the "needlessly esoteric" stuff and study. Then you'll start using the terms more readily.

[@JohnSmith-ek2hc]

ACP is rising

[@oscar31415]

Based.

[@americanbolshevik2053]

Legendary.

[@matthowardtv]

What things become - VERY GOOD 👍👍👍

[@STARSIDE1]

Very interesting!

[@emila6]

The greatest thinkers of our time 👏

[@Black-White-BW1]

😂😅

[@Djordj69]

Thanks for this great interview with Dugin , Haz .

[@Djordj69]

I find myself agreeing with both speakers. They say what some of us refuse to think. Actually thought is taboo in the "west"

[@RyanBrown-w4n]

Love ur stuff guys

[@Gelbwyjbejki]

BASED

[@LightoftheMoon]

Dugin is STELLAR‼️💯 I LOVE his mind thought PROCESSES‼️ 💯❤️ He is SPOT ON‼️💯

[@EvilKookie]

A wonderful discussion. Dugin has a unique voice that's unfairly maligned by mainstream media and it deserves to be heard and studied carefully.

[@tyemich8820]

3:56 Dugin: "BASED!"

[@Tetradugenica1]

Nice interview

[@mischievouseurasianist8671]

Honestly really beautiful to see

[@Fr33Kingdom]

Great interview

[@MegaFarah78]

well-done haz

[@matyastaborsky2741]

Since Haz stopped streaming on KZbin, the genuiness and depth of thoughts on this platform had been regressing. I am glad he has elevated it again a little.

[@villageleninist]

See how Dugin deflects: "oh, I'm not a fashist, I'm anti-liberalist" :) to his right-wing friends he probably says something like "well, fashism had its pros an cons" or something... Classic idealist - "let's just bring together all the best all ideologies, popular in Russia, have and build a right-wing organization that would go to parlament and so get benefits"... He promotes "the third way" for Russia - not unlike the narodniks, whom Lenin destroyed in the first violumes of the complete collection of his works... As Lenin put it "there can be no third way - it's either the dictatorship of the proletariat of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie"

[@novinceinhosic3531]

You are missing the point as you are not familiar to his body if work. Dugin can be described most closely to a more quasi-mainstream term as "right-wing anarchist".

[@MAGICatBEN]

Thank you, Chairman Haz

[@hitorvugo]

Yes

[@sushipsychose]

Now THAT'S what we've all been waiting for!

[@alexneo5352]

Great interview 👍

[@moc5022]

Thanks for the interesting video

[@d.russellmoros7841]

Perhaps I'm missing something here but as I understand, so-called Liberalism was the product of a nascent bourgeois while Communism emerges from working class experience and confrontation with this bourgeois. I would say that when Dugin compares capitalism/fascism/"Hitlerism" with socialism/"Stalinism" this compares apples with oranges. All of this discussion seems to be about so-called "Liberal" "Fascist" "Hitlerite" "Stalinist" but where is class? Each of these terms is historically connected to a particular class. Liberalism bourgeois generally, Fascism/Mussolini Italian bourgeois, Nazism/so-called "Hitlerism" German bourgeois, Stalinism/socialism/communism the proletariat generally. Bourgeois go from Liberal to illiberal when there is an economic downturn.

[@EmmaBlack-yy7tg]

He is criticizing liberalism from the right, from the perspective that it doesn’t adequately defend bourgeois interests. He is too clever to actually ay that last part

[@kyleelsbernd7566]

Dugin’s correct in identifying nominalism as the beginning of modernism

[@EmmaBlack-yy7tg]

Scholastics were modernists?

[@Anatoles]

Brilliant minds

[@UserCommunication]

Great!!!

[@TheRealFlyingAnt]

Based

[@tsarXadam]

Hell yeah

[@vitlz1341]

Great conversation. the only bad thing was that it should have been longer 🦍 ☀️

[@50-FIFTY]

11 years till 2036

[@amadeusakreveusmusic3356]

I love his thick accent

[@ClassWarMatrix]

The future is bright. In the future, MAGA Farmer Jack joins the CHEKA

[@jopeco84]

Not really. Imperialist wars ahead, devastation, exploitation, alienation

[@jjonesymasterson]

glory to both

[@hopscotchoblivion7564]

KZbin literally hid this channel from search results. There should be more frequent uploads.

[@jopeco84]

No communist should build any expectation around Dugin

[@saturnFIV3]

Wdym by this?

[@MadsenAltamirano]

@@saturnFIV3 Dugin clearly isn't interested in Communism. This video makes that clear.

[@socialistquickfix]

Communists should explore any and all anti-liberal ideas, read widely and deeply and take distilled concepts from other spheres where those concepts serve Communism.

[@EmmaBlack-yy7tg]

No, he criticizes liberalism from the right, because he is a fascist

[@evereverevereverever]

Interesting discussion. Looking forward to hearing more.

[@ak39933]

An excellent present on christmas 🎉

[@RedPatriot2036]

Amazing discussion! ☀️🦍☀️🦍☀️🦍

[@alexxx4434]

What is the opposite of liberalism? It's either autonitarianism or collective.

[@addammadd]

Is there anyone who might have a link to Dugin’s work in English?

[@vladimirzedong1801]

ACP RISING! LFG

[@stephensaintamant6850]

It is here! 🦍☀

[@gehtdichnixan446]

you made my day haz

[@thenewme_Pal]

How lovely. Both are wearing the same clothes from their last interview.

[@nathat4250]

🦍 ☀ 🎉

[@BritishJuche]

Great discussion, the most interesting thing I've listened to for ages, but - please don't cut off your guests mid-sentence!

[@puppet1-170]

🚩

[@jlevi5223]

Unfortunately it seems that Haz has eclipsed Professor Dugin in philosophical dynamism and vitality. Dugin seems stuck within the coordinates of "Fourth Political Theory", a question he raised and has no answer for beyond traditionalist platitudes. When Haz tries to finally establish a nexus in this conversation, Dugin seems to keep running in circles. I think Haz here is truer to Dugin's 90s project than the professor in the present day is. Nonetheless, utmost respect to the old man and to Haz for trying to strike up a genuine dialogue here. A conversation with Slavoj Zizek, with all of his own flaws, would surely be productive as well.

[@Resuge]

Yup I agree. Dugin had a lot of potential articulating a uniquely Eurasianist and teluric worldview but these days he is once again too mired in Western politics and its worldview. He is too focused on the happenings of the West and too defined by liberalism (by positioning himself in opposition to it). Ironically, the true "Eurasianist" worldview Dugin is seeking is Stalinism! It is no coincidence that the most powerful and advanced Communist states, China and Russia, are descendants of Eurasian steppe empires!

[@ashiok]

Dugin's main language is Russian

[@MadsenAltamirano]

@@ashiok Good point.

[@ivankholodov8924]

It would have been great to hear Dugin's take on Ilyin. Dugin is heading Ilyin Institute and Ilyin was unabashed Hitlerite.

[@wtfhah]

Somewhat abashed as Ilyin was expelled from Germany for refusing to teach anti-semitic doctrine

[@jcfools8942]

1:34 What American philosopher is Dugin talking about here? I think I hear the name "Richard Weber" but I am unable to find any political philosopher with such a name?

[@novinceinhosic3531]

I think he meant Richard M. Weaver.

[@GorillaRogers]

☀🦍☀🦍☀🦍☀🦍

[@Caspaah151]

He deserves more respect.

[@alvimgabriel4400]

NO😂 is Nazbol

[@despilks]

I was not familiar with Lacant until now. These ideas of imaginary, symbolical and rational are very interesting. The example of Biden representing the imaginary and losing to Trump who represented the symbolical, that Dugin gave, really illustrated what these Lacanian concepts really mean so that even a layman can understan. It reminds me of the concept of hyperreal. A lot of food for though.

[@loyalty155]

MEGABASED!

[@yibabel]

☭☰

[@frankiecal3186]

“We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.” ✡️-James Paul Warburg, whose family co-founded the Federal Reserve - while speaking before the United States Senate, February 17, 1950

[@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745]

muh jews

[@ludviglidstrom6924]

Stupid antisemitic nonsense. There is no world government and there will never be any world government, especially not now when we’re in a new Cold War and the world is becoming evermore multipolar.

[@steverichter9525]

Based! 🦍☀

[@ludviglidstrom6924]

“The status quo is never the status quo.”

[@indianaparkwarsproductions9513]

This is good intelligent conversation

[@Gaiafreak6969]

Does dugin know that Nazi Germany was just an American color revolution

[@Mate-it1zt]

Yes, based on his books he seems to know both the german and the soviet version were color revolutions, as by the traditionalist definition there is not a revolution that is not a color revolution. He critiques both as weaker versions of the same shit we have today, and notes their emancipatory elements which are to be saved and repurposed to his 4th political theory

[@Gaiafreak6969]

@Mate-it1zt the USSR wasn't a color revolution LMAO

[@ClassWarMatrix]

​@@Mate-it1ztof course the Soviet system had many flaws and failed to stand the test of time, but the Red October was real. You could say the February liberal revolution was a color revolution, but it was the Reds that took the leadership of it away from the urban liberal intellectuals and delivered it to the workers and rural peasant masses

[@infrawiki]

That's a great way of putting it

[@Mate-it1zt]

@@Gaiafreak6969 there are many sources supporting to backing from new york. Regardless I am not expressing my opinion/interpretation here but Dugin's in my own words. As far as I understand he is not primarily concerned with "authenticity", but more like "restoration" in the sense that it does not matter if the movement was subverted before, during or after any such event as a revolution is. The fact is that every single popular uprising (fascism and communism) got subverted, the subverted part can usually understood as the real essence of capitalism/liberalism, and he is trying to dissect the elements that were not corrupted.

[@DiscipleOfHeavyMeta1]

BAAAAAAASED!!!!!

[@A-B-Motor]

So the open society has to be rejected since it eventually turns into a dictatorship agains those who reject it??? Rathor have a dictatorship from the start, that is feudalism, at best? Which alternative emerges? All alternatives we see are feudalistic dictatorships at best...