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@iwouldprefernotto498 ай бұрын
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@kevint19108 ай бұрын
it is all Gnostic bullshit Hermetic nonsense and magical Materialistic claptrap.
@big_sea8 ай бұрын
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@t33nyplaysp0p8 ай бұрын
Aw man, a grift
@RlsIII-uz1kl3 ай бұрын
What happens when the Hegelian dialectic remains implemented when the issue no longer exists? In fact, it begins to create its own injustice. Where social justice is no longer just in its traditional sense. Because id argue that's exactly what we're experiencing.
@cade89863 жыл бұрын
Peterson sits like someone spilled a glass of water in his chair, and Zizek sounds like the rest of the water is in his mouth
@OHYS3 жыл бұрын
You couldn’t be more accurate
@timothyjohnson17703 жыл бұрын
This is good humor.
@jamessinko51723 жыл бұрын
LOL, You're Good. Thanks For The Laugh
@takieddinbalti69563 жыл бұрын
duuuuuude lmao
@c8adec3 жыл бұрын
Virgin vs chad
@bagniik.49004 жыл бұрын
The sexual tension is palpable
@DJWESG14 жыл бұрын
Marx liked to use the word "cleavage" a lot. though that might have been due to a iffy translation
@Kriegtime1014 жыл бұрын
Who isnt attracted to a real life kermit the frog?
@nemesiszer07083 жыл бұрын
@@Kriegtime101 Lobster Daddy Kermit
@Kriegtime1013 жыл бұрын
@@nemesiszer0708 high on Clonazepam.
@tunes0123 жыл бұрын
"It is a sign of a certain moral courage and... and... and it's a sign of a certain temperament and it makes you charismatic and attractive... and... and I just wanna smash it bro."
@JoeyFaller3 жыл бұрын
Peterson's laptop: _Google page open:_ "What is communism?" Zizek's paper: _Blank and covered in sweat._
@45devendra2 жыл бұрын
You meant by Zizek snot mucus. Yikes!
@davidwuhrer67042 жыл бұрын
Marx and Engels wrote a paper together trying to explain what is Communism. A sort of Communist manifesto, so to speak.
@jonhallowell40992 жыл бұрын
@@davidwuhrer6704 that was more of a manifesto for the German communist party at the time
@davidwuhrer67042 жыл бұрын
@@jonhallowell4099 It focused mostly on Victorian England.
@caldwell9-02 жыл бұрын
@@davidwuhrer6704 kinda, das kapital is better
@t.gracchus17863 жыл бұрын
I feel like Zizek looses about 1000 calories per minute whenever he's talking
@marcolampariello97053 жыл бұрын
Relfection, what a great record👍🏼
@t.gracchus17863 жыл бұрын
@@marcolampariello9705 Indeed
@redmed103 жыл бұрын
He's a veritable orchestra of bodily tics. Once you get used to them and just concentrate on what he has to say he has a lot of good stuff to say. Still haven't worked out exactly where he's coming from as there seems to be a lot of observations with no coherent whole but that may be because I have not looked well enough into him.
@Fat-Horrible-Man3 жыл бұрын
He must eat heaps to balance it out and stay so fat
@mkultravictim88903 жыл бұрын
That's why he eats two hot dogs at a time
@ServantOfPriss3 жыл бұрын
"You know, I'm something of a Hegelian myself."
@SeSdesc3 жыл бұрын
Jung... hmm hmmm...
@kingbagni6438 Жыл бұрын
"Hello, Fellow Hegelians."
@gking4073 жыл бұрын
“Why do you still like a 170 year old theory?” asks the man who drowns himself in New Testament scripture 🤣
@Don-uh1eb3 жыл бұрын
That's a falacy
@bernardocorrea80103 жыл бұрын
@@Don-uh1eb Agreed. Pointing out that something is old/out of fashion is no argument.
@paulludwigewaldvonkleist40393 жыл бұрын
@@bernardocorrea8010 not necessarily an argument but definitely a point if you say "Why do you still like a 170 year old theory?” while also using an even older theory whats the point of you saying it in the first place? asides from trying to sound smart in which it isnt
@bernardocorrea80103 жыл бұрын
@@paulludwigewaldvonkleist4039 Pointless. Old or new, reasoning works with data. Youre making a judgemental value of something by its time. That isnt logic.
@paulludwigewaldvonkleist40393 жыл бұрын
@@bernardocorrea8010 thats the point, its pointless. the statement itself that jp said is pointless, jp just wants to sound smart by making that statement while not bringing any value
@caroluscitra4 жыл бұрын
When a man with a laptop encounters a racoon with a piece of paper the man with the laptop is dead
@caroluscitra4 жыл бұрын
@Donutsin the butt
@jackmeyer86564 жыл бұрын
A Fistful of Dollars
@snigdhajyotidas30574 жыл бұрын
Based
@oktosoccer61724 жыл бұрын
Bruh moment
@noone-qu5ec4 жыл бұрын
Sorry but I didn't get it, pls explain.
@LeonWagg4 жыл бұрын
He didn't say he's not a Marxist. He said, ”I describe myself more as a Hegelian.” If you read his book, you would know that Zizek got his influence from Hegel, Marx, Lacan, Freud, etc. He still believes that Marx’s critique of capitalism is actual today and still considers himself a communist because he thinks in the long term capitalism will not be able to confront problems we are facing (ecology, refugees, etc.). The title of your video is misleading.
@Mrgruntastic4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Everyone upvote this because holy hell is that title misleading
@Bruh-el9js4 жыл бұрын
which book are you referring to ?
@LeonWagg4 жыл бұрын
Google não deixou eu colocar um nome maior que esse Well he wrote many books lol and you can find Marx, Hegel, or Lacan everywhere in those books. But of course, ”The Sublime Object of Ideology” is his masterpiece.
@Bruh-el9js4 жыл бұрын
@@LeonWagg thank you very much, I haven't read Zizek yet so I was looking for a book to start
@user-wl2xl5hm7k4 жыл бұрын
Google não deixou eu colocar um nome maior que esse Start with “Sublime Object of Ideology”. It’s his first and best book. He also started a more political phase with the books “Violence” and “First as Tragedy, Then as Farce”- I’d recommend you read them next.
@seermayton-el34883 жыл бұрын
I find it impressive that Professor Zizek is helping a student with their arguments on Marx. He is a true professor through and through!
@Xgenerati3 жыл бұрын
@the simp son he might have been in a bad shape already. We know, JP has been hospitalized all over Europe and in Russia for months. He even contracted coronavirus at a hospital there. Regardless, this interview did not do JP good. Žižek probably worsened his mental issues, displaying such supremacy over JP.
@mookosh3 жыл бұрын
@@Xgenerati I don't see how zizek defeated jp? The debate seemed like a respectful exchange. I'm not well read in Marx nor familiar with zizek. Were there jokes I just didn't catch?
@steven50543 жыл бұрын
@@Xgenerati Right. Like when he had that apple-cider that kept him up for weeks before that debate with Matt Dillahunty lol
@danoliver30533 жыл бұрын
@@mookosh I don't think you missed anything - I saw what you saw. There are just too many idiots who can't appreciate a discussion without making it competitive. Also people seem to take JP's honesty in his responses as weakness and therefore 'defeat'. To me he just seems refreshingly open to others' opinions and eager to learn from discussions, even if it means being corrected, instead of hiding behind bravado and intellectual dishonesty in fear of being wrong.
@mookosh3 жыл бұрын
@@danoliver3053 same. It seems like a lot of intellectual gatekeeping. "oh wow, how can jp criticize Marxism when he hasn't even read Marx! Lol what a fraud". Well the obvious answer is that people purporting to be Marxists have made his life intolerable and the writings of anti-Marxists, like the gulag archipelago have given historical context to his lived experience. If he's so ignorant, then he should be easy to "defeat" and I think what shines through is how much Peterson learned talked to an actual Marxist thinker about how you can be a Marxist without being the kinds of low tier thinkers you find in sociological academia. How actual Marxist philosophers aren't complete imbeciles. That's a good story to me. I still think zizek is wrong, but at least he's not completely off his rocker, and I think Peterson felt the same, commenting that zizek really harms himself by calling himself a Marxist instead of a zizekist because the zizek point of view is so much more reasonable than those expressed by Marx. Zizek himself endorsed this point by saying he considers himself more hegellian than [an orthodox] Marxist. Hegel is not the same as Marx. That admission indicates that zizek understands and perhaps agrees with Peterson that Marxism is insufficient. They differ in terms of how insufficient they find Marx, of course. Still I saw this as a great "debate". I wish more actual academics would do this kind of exchange rather than boycott Peterson out of principle. I know I've been turned on to zizek by the debate, I'm sure if other great thinkers stepped forward I might like them too.
@DataLog3 жыл бұрын
5:04 Super rare double handed beard scratch.
@averagekiwiconsumer99773 жыл бұрын
Combo
@avnishbadoni13933 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@Soh-Crates3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit. The comedy is rich.
@RLaHive3 жыл бұрын
lol
@SystemUpdate3102 жыл бұрын
this should be sold as an NFT.
@dylgreco3 жыл бұрын
god i hate clapping during debates, makes the debate in entirety unwatchable
@HenryTitor3 жыл бұрын
Think of philosophy debates as early version of rap battle... It might help?
@ihmejakki27313 жыл бұрын
It wasn't a debate, it was a showcase of two pop-philosophers
@agfd56593 жыл бұрын
It's a weird practice. It usually disrupts the flow of the speech and distracts the listeners
@captainkiwi773 жыл бұрын
@@agfd5659 i mean... it’s not distracting the listeners if they’re the ones clapping.
@MrChristianandstuff3 жыл бұрын
@M.D. cope, rent free living in your head
@ceaseless2463 жыл бұрын
zizek is editing a paper this whole time
@vahyalakwaga54282 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@mridulsharma79944 жыл бұрын
Why is there 20 litres of bottled water on stage?
@Edkahmed3 жыл бұрын
to control the fire they spit, literally when it comes to zizek lmao
@MaceWinduDuHuen3 жыл бұрын
evian sponsorship. now read evian backwards
@stinger596053 жыл бұрын
The lights are so intense, the stage becomes uncomfortably hot. (Not a joke btw,)
@Izac923 жыл бұрын
A metaphor of the flood!
@drammsleo16243 жыл бұрын
The water bottles are for zizek to replace the water that comes out of him every time hespeaks
@elietheprof56784 жыл бұрын
The audio makes both their voices sound possessed by demons 😂
@notsure11353 жыл бұрын
Or recorded at Sun Records 1950 something...
@gasolineandwine3 жыл бұрын
Possibly something having to do with low sample rates or noise reduction. Both of those can make an audio sound as if it was garbled or underwater.
@nathanrhodes41314 жыл бұрын
"I define myself more as a Hegelian." How did that become "I'm not a Marxist. I'm a Hegelian." Where's the nuance, guys?
@boredtolife78794 жыл бұрын
welcome to youtube
@whateva19834 жыл бұрын
Propaganda needs to etade nuance. Thats how the right moves forwatd. Peterson is a perfect example of it.
@diabl2master4 жыл бұрын
Seems like they changed it.
@QoraxAudio4 жыл бұрын
That's called "clickbait nuance".
@brandoeaux71004 жыл бұрын
Hegel is very distinct from Marx
@zeitgeist2point0874 жыл бұрын
0:35 Peterson admits his passionate love for Zizek.
@Nalhek4 жыл бұрын
It all makes sense now...
@piercethepotato72874 жыл бұрын
That's his style
@mabimabi2123 жыл бұрын
Now kiss
@Kitajima23 жыл бұрын
@@mabimabi212 Now kith
@zeitgeist2point0873 жыл бұрын
@@Kitajima2 now kisch
@HKD23 жыл бұрын
Kermit vs Daffy Duck
@sepijortikka3 жыл бұрын
Frog vs snail
@simmrdspice9143 жыл бұрын
Damn, and now I can't unimagine it.
@mahditarhini16693 жыл бұрын
Epic description 😂😂🤣
@mortenfrosthansen843 жыл бұрын
It's just bad audio from the publisher of this video.. There is another, a bit longer video, with better quality. Or it could be your phone, that is the problem. But yeah, I think Zizek should work on his speech impediment, especially considering he is a passionately and eager spokesman. And it can really annoy some, and can be a setback to the importance of the substance, when people are struggling with ignoring it and fully listen
@relaxbro56053 жыл бұрын
Omg this is so inappropriately appropriate
@ElectricLadyland873 жыл бұрын
Imagine preparing to debate someone like Zizek on Marxism and reading the communist manifesto twice as the foundation of your argument lmao.
@glot45613 жыл бұрын
A lot of anti-communists think that's the entirety of communism lol.
@tomblakemoremusic3 жыл бұрын
He hasn't just read the communist manifesto mate
@hjertrudfiddlecock43943 жыл бұрын
@@tomblakemoremusic he barely read that it seams...
@emyrgeorge84933 жыл бұрын
Yeah imagine reading the origins of communism on a debate about communism.. shocking 🥴
@RatatRatR3 жыл бұрын
Imagine basing much of your career as a public intellectual on loudly objecting to Marx and Marxists without even having fucking familiarized yourself with the basic literature on the subject.
@fuhq67314 жыл бұрын
Idk why this was recommended to me I have no clue what they’re talking about
@rossleeson86264 жыл бұрын
JonezBB neither does anyone they just finished all the Hitchens videos mood miss-interpreted them massively and now are getting through Peterson’s.
@davidhammer284 жыл бұрын
@@rossleeson8626 This was a debate with between the contemporary "popular intellectuals" from the left political ideology (Zizek) and the right, or liberal conservative, ideology (Peterson). Zizek were supposed to defend the Marxist critique of capitalism, and Peterson were supposed to defend the capitalistic ideal, and furthermore critique the Marxist political and economic theory.
@iamwhoyousayiam67733 жыл бұрын
It's okay OP, I don't understand much either, all you can do is try; as long as you're trying to grow I think it's a good trait
@mikegribanov61053 жыл бұрын
youtube is subtly telling you that you are dumb
@gking4073 жыл бұрын
Neither do most edgy socialists or regressive conservatives
@todessehnsucht3 жыл бұрын
Peterson basically asked him in the most condescending way "you're a smart person, why are you a dumb communist? I can't wrap my head around it."
@gooddogreallygooddog61573 жыл бұрын
Its always the stupid student who’s mean to the prof
@timothyjohnson17703 жыл бұрын
Sure, but you are not acknowledging the accompanying respect and nuance. In good faith, to do so otherwise can easily fall into dichotomous thinking. Good observation though.
@marcelo.bassalo3 жыл бұрын
Ora ora você aqui
@MrRazorblade9993 жыл бұрын
@George Adept Nonsense. A lot of highly intelligent people are communists. Or nazists for that matter.
@MrRazorblade9993 жыл бұрын
@George Adept True
@manukelele81833 жыл бұрын
I just clicked to hear Zizek say "marxist"
@Picklee3 жыл бұрын
lmfaoo
@joratto28333 жыл бұрын
markszhishtsh
@antonecruz99753 жыл бұрын
He turns it into a 10 syllable word
@cylltndn79353 жыл бұрын
Markshlhkhsishkht
@andrewwesleyhudson59839 ай бұрын
Marcks'hisht
@Arze5554 жыл бұрын
I liked the applause for Hegel haha.
@muslimmetalman4 жыл бұрын
very strange wonder why
@juanaldasoro86704 жыл бұрын
because they are idiots, 100 percent sure that they have not read Hegel
@shantanukhandkar3 жыл бұрын
This audience has been clueless throughout, like a mistimed laugh track. They don't know what the hell is going on.
@punchgod3 жыл бұрын
JUAN Aldasoro of course, no one has read Hegel.
@antrim70083 жыл бұрын
@@punchgod Not even Hegel read Hegel.
@huyochita53863 жыл бұрын
Do you think that Peterson was googling "Who is Hegel?" on the laptop?
@paimei71433 жыл бұрын
I don’t think he did.
@thecrimsonkid35743 жыл бұрын
why are people so quick to discount peterson like he isn’t obviously intelligent?
@huyochita53863 жыл бұрын
@@thecrimsonkid3574 because he is charlatan
@thecrimsonkid35743 жыл бұрын
@@huyochita5386 okay well in which area? in which fields would you classify him as charlatan? because there are cases to be made, for example: I take his knowledge and beliefs regarding politics and religion as biased towards keeping his current audience intact, but on the subject of his philosophical understanding he is very proficient and has helped many people. His clinical career where he helps victims of self destruction is honorable to say the least.
@huyochita53863 жыл бұрын
@@thecrimsonkid3574 Yes, but then again, he is public figure not because of his history as academic or work as clinical psychologists. He made a story for himself by opposing C-19 bill which added gender as protected class in Canadian Law. He is a charlatan because he applies the psychological expertise onto the sociological problems. He tries to fix systemic problems by applying the things he would say to a single person. Some of his views come close to being a conspiracy theory (the entire thing how failed Marxism then hid in universities and tried to secrectly implement its ideology in other ways). I believe that the things he says as a public figure do more harm than his work as psychologists, because he serves as starting point of radicalization for thousands (milions?) young males. His problem is specifically that he doesnt stick to what he is good at - psycholgy. Because as philosopher or sociologist he simply lacks knowledge, he proved that in this debate when he based his entire argument around Communist Manifesto, that he read IN PREPARATION for the debate (didnt stop him from going on crusade against Marxism)
@patavinity12624 жыл бұрын
The title is wrong and misleading. He said: I consider myself *more* as a Hegelian than a Marxist. He *is* emphatically still a Marxist.
@patavinity12624 жыл бұрын
@@LiMitZplus What an intelligent response!
@LiMitZplus4 жыл бұрын
Patavinity tanks
@patavinity12624 жыл бұрын
@@LiMitZplus What about tanks? Or are you incapable of spelling 'thanks'?
@brockcharz21044 жыл бұрын
Didn’t zizek also say “Marx didn’t have a good understanding of social power” or something like this, zizek hardly defended Marx in this debate
@jaas02254 жыл бұрын
brock charz Because the person attacking it didn’t know anything about it
@andredemony3 жыл бұрын
Let´s face it. Peterson has no idea what Zizek is talking about.
@oliveronderisin56742 жыл бұрын
Nobody has…
@quitanero2 жыл бұрын
@@oliveronderisin5674 haha check mate
@TheAxe504 Жыл бұрын
So do you
@Necroskull388 Жыл бұрын
@@oliveronderisin5674It’s really not that difficult to follow if you’re at all familiar with the topics he’s talking about.
@WanderingExistence Жыл бұрын
@@oliveronderisin5674If you actually take some time to listen to what he has to say it is quite apparent. Zizek has a lot of cool takes on how ideology functions within society, bringing together the ideas of Hegel, Marx, and Lacan. It helps to familiarize yourself with these three thinkers to better understand but he has to say. Sometimes he says things that are provocative and people get hung up on the words rather than the meaning, but I think a large part of that is their problem for not valuing substance over decor (Although even he would admit he's a bit of a chaotic provocateur in his speech). Zizek is also hilariously vulgar and anti-PC.... Whereas Peterson is just anti-PC with no humor to it.
@howto77553 жыл бұрын
I feel like Peterson came into this debate thinking he was going to be arguing against some Marxist from Reddit rather than a public intellectual with nuanced and thought out ideas. Don't get me wrong Peterson is an extremely smart guy but coming into a debate with such a 2-dimensional view and almost strawman like view of the ideology he wants to attack seems kind of unwise.
@steven50543 жыл бұрын
Hubris will do that to you.
@artofthepossible73293 жыл бұрын
"public intellectual with nuanced and thought out ideas." As Zizek said in the debate, neither of them are accepted in the mainstream academia, which should probably tell you about the state of mainstream academia. Besides the debate wasn't Peterson vs Zizek, it was Happiness: Marxism vs Capitalism; and to quote a commenter "an almost 3 hour recording and I missed the part were Zizek actually championed Marxism", so perhaps it's just simply a bad match up.
@royalandonyx3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, most people build a straw man of Peterson as well. Nuanced intellectuals are unfortunately scarce, so it isn't hard to see why people get used to seeing the other side as 2-dimensional.
@howto77553 жыл бұрын
Blizz Grimmly that’s very true.
@TheMrMacintosh3 жыл бұрын
Even a Marxist from Reddit would ruin Peterson if they actually discussed Marxism. Peterson hasn't read any Marx. He hasn't even read Capital. The only thing he's read by Marx is the Communist Manifesto. He has NO CLUE what Marxism is as demonstrated by his neologism "postmodern neo-marxists" and what he defines that to be. I think he simply refuses to address Marx because it's more useful for him to strawman the blue-haired college SJWs as Marxists to grow his brand.
@alexgennai99284 жыл бұрын
He talks more like Hegel’s writing than Marx’s
@muhammadaadilali5638 Жыл бұрын
A true Hegelian
@89Dustdevil3 жыл бұрын
The problem is that Hegelian means a lot of things because even philosophers can’t agree on a lot of what Hegel said.
@blackspiralstorytelling44023 жыл бұрын
Even Hegel doesn't get dialectics
@estebanb71663 жыл бұрын
Good point.
@budmb23 жыл бұрын
Right I didn’t really understand when Zizek referred to Marxism as ambiguous in comparison to Hegel. Both seem to be very open to interpretation.
@blackspiralstorytelling44023 жыл бұрын
I was just kidding, dialectics is when two Platonic ideals must compromise to synthesize a third ideal form between the two. Marx thought a revolution was the only way for the needs of labour to synthesize with the needs of capital. By seizing all capital lololololol
@eugenioconti46883 жыл бұрын
He is probably the most influential philosopher of western modernity. Being hegelian can mean a lot of things.
@beetljam7923 жыл бұрын
zizek: i define myself more as a Hegelian jp: chaos
@rd62283 жыл бұрын
Chaos dragon
@cylltndn79353 жыл бұрын
Hegelian is easier to pronounce
@seanlennon59863 жыл бұрын
'a mystery to me to ascribe yourself to an 180 yr old doctrine' says the promoter of Christianity as a guiding principle.
@mitchelrowe69153 жыл бұрын
That's a pretty big misrepresentation
@dimebagforever2513 жыл бұрын
Christianity is ageless
@dimebagforever2513 жыл бұрын
Marxism on the other hand has to be adapted every 5 or 3 years.
@@theeyehead3437 If you're gonna play that game i'll give you something actually useful. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHiWfqZ6nZeWn5o
@ezpzlemonsqz4 жыл бұрын
JP: I haven't read Marx, but why are you a Marxist?
@KaninTuzi4 жыл бұрын
Fine, but he has bumped into enough Marxists to be very wary of Marx. You can't completely strip Marx of responsibility for consistently producing followers who are so off the mark as to make Marxism into a ridiculous movement. Even if Marx himself didn't propose most of those ridiculous ideas that his followers adhere to.
@nishanthgideon14854 жыл бұрын
Who told you he hasn't read?
@nabilm.m.75504 жыл бұрын
@@nishanthgideon1485 He just read the communist manifesto (which is like, a very small book compared to the behemoth of Marx's works) for the debate.
@KaninTuzi4 жыл бұрын
@El Fenomeno How can you say such a brave and eloquent thing
@robrot4044 жыл бұрын
@@nishanthgideon1485 Peterson said himself that he only read the communist manifesto a few days before the debate.
@txroshow4 жыл бұрын
this has to be the worst audience that i've seen on a serious debate...
@cylltndn79353 жыл бұрын
Maury - "you are the Marxist" Audience : chaos and havoc
@ukasz-vs4nr3 жыл бұрын
I love how Peterson is portrayed as a person that values knowledge and intelligence while he admits he never read Marx and yet he passionately fights with marxism
@ukasz-vs4nr3 жыл бұрын
@the moon if you criticise some theory or statement, the bare minimum you should do is read it
@Rey-zd4po3 жыл бұрын
I don't need to know all the nuances of the flat earth or space is fake theory to tell you it's bs.
@singami4653 жыл бұрын
"he admits he never read Marx" Damn polski, you're living in an alternate reality.
@ukasz-vs4nr3 жыл бұрын
@@singami465 ?
@Me2goTi3 жыл бұрын
This image he (Peterson) displays of himself - the "hard-thinking" knowledgable persona that is always very serious - imo is desgined for his primarly non-academic viewership that needs this impression of a well-mannered, respectfull and wise person to look up to him. People in academica don't really give a shit about that and don't mind listening to someone like Zizek. And I speak for most humanities students too I'd say when I cringed hard as he brought up the communist manifesto. Everyone knows that it's a piece of progaganda. It was written for the communist party during the 1848 - with coal-miners as its target audience how I like to say - as a literal political propaganda. Works like the capital or the Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon are what actual Marxist sociologist base their work on. I'm neither a communist nor a Marxist but that's just common knowledge. This isn't even hate against Peterson. I genuiley like to watch/read some of his psychoanalytic and psychological works. A discussion with Zizek about Freud, Jung and Happiness in the Modern World could've been really interesting. But hell, if Marxism is not your field of expertise, don't have a two-hour discussion with someone that studied Marxism for years. Just not worth to be watched.
@janeznovak20273 жыл бұрын
I think that they were pretty honest with each other, and yes, imho I saw even mutual respect... and that did not go well with more strict followers of one or the other.
@ghfudrs93uuu3 жыл бұрын
Really? What I see here is Zizek being respectful and Peterson stunted after perceiving how inferior is his position here. I much doubt he'd remain civil if the positions were inverted.
@Angela-ky5hv3 жыл бұрын
are they about to kiss rn 😏😏
@ickyvicky4973 жыл бұрын
enemies to lover arc
@lucidity9104 жыл бұрын
"I don't like Picasso", *after examining his childhood finger paintings*
@asdfasdf39894 жыл бұрын
Marx is cringe.
@barneybay60704 жыл бұрын
@@asdfasdf3989 ayep, so true
@seankelly3784 жыл бұрын
Very nice PFP . Long live Gonzo
@ganjaericco3 жыл бұрын
Was Picasso most known for his childhood finger paintings? Were these the finger paintings that have caused over 100 million political deaths? If so, what little relevance would Picasso's new works have on them?
@justinwood90493 жыл бұрын
@@ganjaericco 100 mil deaths has been debunked repeatedly, and capitalism by same standards has killed many more
@pietrogulyaev3 жыл бұрын
The Virgin "clean your room" Vs The Chad "I would prefer not to"
@westvirg3043 жыл бұрын
What is wrong with being a virgin? It is a sad state to no clean your home and be proud of it.
@ttbatlifefan66773 жыл бұрын
@@westvirg304 its a joke
@Kitajima23 жыл бұрын
It's ironic because Zizek's room is so much cleaner than Peterson's room, based off streams. And Zizek isn't a benzo addict.
@Crystal-uh2gc3 жыл бұрын
@@Kitajima2 life happens... this is exactly what peterson so often is talking about. The importent thing is to get back on your feet and oh boy he did. Whether you think the benzo addiction is his fault or not, being able to get back in the driverseat is incredible. I learned that with my cig addiction
@Kitajima23 жыл бұрын
@@Crystal-uh2gc I would have no issue with him if he simply described himself as the self-help author he is, but he doesn't really do that
@rbfabc4 жыл бұрын
The three most important things you need to know about Marx and Marxism are: first of all, Marx used the terms socialism and communism interchangeably. It (communism) is inherent upon the destruction of both private AND state ownership and control, and he believed this was impossible unless followed by the entire planet. In other words, unless the entire planet is both stateless and void of private ownership, communism as Marx sees it has not yet been achieved. Thirdly, in order to get to this point, Marx believed there would be a transitionary period between capitalism and communism, which he called “the dictatorship of the proletariat”. Not an actual dictatorship, this meant the taking over of both the state and private entities by the working class, which Marx believed would shortly lead to the vanquishing of classes and all global hierarchies/hegemonies. In other words, Marx ultimately believed that if we let the working class take over all corporations and governments, they would eventually no longer be necessary, nor would fiat currency, and henceforth classes would no longer exist. Everyone would just go to work to go to work and provide each other with everything they needed, with no fiat currency to muddle up the picture. This is what Marx actually preached and you can understand how, knowing this, being told that a country like China, which has its own currency, 2 stock exchanges with 5+ trillion US dollar market caps and clear class discrepancy, is “communist” is pretty much the same as being told that the color red is blue. Increased or total state control of the markets is not communism, it is fascism. Abolishment of the market is communism.
@rbfabc4 жыл бұрын
But thanks to cucks like Lenin and the ussr, this “dictatorship of the proletariat” transitionary period somehow started getting called “socialism”, even though it clearly wasn’t, as state and private hierarchies and fiat currency still exist during this period. And then they ruined this transitionary period entirely by failing to actually let the proletariats run these institutions and began practicing full blown state capitalism. Most Americans think socialism = the dictatorship of the proletariat. It does not. The dictatorship of the proletariat, a concept they also heavily misunderstand in and of itself because of how much the process was butchered in the Russian revolution and even pre nazi Germany, is meant to be an extremely short transitionary period on the path to actual socialism. The reality is that what Marx really thought socialism was would work great, but the problem is, Marx didn’t really know how to successfully execute the transitionary period. He thought he did, and then it miserable failed in Paris in the 1840s, and later on in Germany and Russia as I already said. Still, to this day, no one truly knows how to execute the transitionary period, and each time a nations people have tried it has been brutally quashed by fascism. We should take solace in the fact that Bernie’s campaign didn’t make it further. If it did, Chris Matthews would likely turn out to be right, in that it would be akin to the rebirth of Nazi Germany, except, obviously, not at the hands of Bernie’s movement, but at the hands of the reactionaries’ response.
@aenesidemus_schulze4 жыл бұрын
@@rbfabc the CCP is still in control of most big companies (owning at least half the shares) and is planning to transition to socialism by 2049 - maybe this is what the dictatorship of the proletariat has to look like for now
@camaradaleitor37484 жыл бұрын
It is important to states that a dictatorship proletariat society, is still a society where the capitalists means of production exist. And when we seize the state, if we maintain the state in its burgeois structure will be no use for us. We need to abolish the standard army, standard police, standard institutions. Principally, we must descentralize the state, limited its powers to where is strictly necessary, following the example of the workers from Paris Commune. (Btw, sorry for the english)
@camerontaylor74714 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@MarcusKhaos14 жыл бұрын
@O'Shay Muir Agreed. There's room to criticize Lenin (as there is with anyone), but his actions meant that the material conditions of millions of people were improved (Lenin should not be blamed for things that he had no intention to carry out, and the USSR was better than the Tsars). His insights into 20th century capitalism and beyond still prove to be fantastic tools for understanding the world, and his work was always ultimately concerned with making people's lives better. Unfair, ahistorical, and purist critiques with the benefit of 100 years worth of hindsight is unhelpful and usually makes me think that the critic is LARPing a little bit
@games687753 жыл бұрын
Holy shit I didn't know they had a debate this is gold
@nickjbland3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see Peterson and Zizek have another discussion like this. Aside from the audience being extremely partisan (and sometimes the comment section for video clips of the debate) it seems like they had a very productive and interesting discussion.
@ThreeToeJoe9 ай бұрын
Underrated comment ^
@srenphilosopher.543 жыл бұрын
The fact that they respect each other while they cannot understand each other makes my day.
@ghfudrs93uuu3 жыл бұрын
It seems to me like Zizek can very well understand Peterson and Peterson didn't do the required reading.
@hbsupreme14992 жыл бұрын
@Darnell Trump well of course jsit loking at your profile you would push an it right winged nosense.
@hbsupreme14992 жыл бұрын
@@ghfudrs93uuu 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@TheAlmightyAss Жыл бұрын
I don't get the feeling that Zizek respects Peterson as an academic.
@jonathanbrostar11 ай бұрын
@@TheAlmightyAss I think Zizek was very respectful considering that Peterson does not do academic philosophy, and certainly doesn't debate like an academic.
@facepalmjesus16089 ай бұрын
the legend has is that Peterson lost a million neurons after Zizek's response
@fernandoizu4 жыл бұрын
peterson's question was the most elaborate backhanded compliment. Also he slipped a debatable affirmation regarding the intrinsic problems of communism vs capitalism without it being a part of the question, rendering it not up for answering. Very crass.
@asdfasdf39894 жыл бұрын
"Crass"? "Clever" or "tricky"yes, but idk about "crass".
@fernandoizu4 жыл бұрын
@@asdfasdf3989 Pulling tricks in a serious argument doesn't strike me as very refined.
@asdfasdf39894 жыл бұрын
@@fernandoizu Tricks?
@Canadish4 жыл бұрын
@@asdfasdf3989 Journalists try that nonsense on Peterson all the time (usually in a manner that is spectacularly unsuccessful) . It's a cheap tactic, and an inherently dishonest one we should always call out, regardless of which 'side' you find yourself.
@boskopils41533 жыл бұрын
When you bring paper and pen to laptop connected to wifi fight and still win
@antkcuck4 жыл бұрын
Zizek chastised the crowd for cheering for sides
@carsonwall2400 Жыл бұрын
It was bold of Zizek to assume JP even knows who Hegel is
@skinnykid8524 Жыл бұрын
Lol.
@libertarianPinoy Жыл бұрын
🙄
@notlengthy Жыл бұрын
Yeah a guy who taught philosophy at Harvard doesn't know who Hegel is... I think you're the one who doesn't know who Hegel is.
@skinnykid8524 Жыл бұрын
@@notlengthy Is an appeal to authority all it takes for you people to get behind someone? You know that this means the opposite of what you think it means to be a fan of his.
@BBlack70 Жыл бұрын
@@notlengthy if Peterson was really a professor of philosophy at Harvard, It really tells more about the current state of Harvard rather then of Peterson.
@wintersmill48532 жыл бұрын
Peterson doesn't understand philosophical frameworks and why people adopt them as ONE tool in their toolbox for analysis.
@yarpenzigrin1893 Жыл бұрын
Maybe you can explain since you obviously do?
@hainish23813 жыл бұрын
It was not hard to surprise Peterson. He came to the debate full of preconceptions, ready to debunk "cultural marxism".
@singami4653 жыл бұрын
It's almost like the name of the debate was "Marxism vs Capitalism".
@darrenfleming7901 Жыл бұрын
@@singami465 yeah, but cultural marxism isn't marxism, and also it doesn't exist.
@goobus_floobus Жыл бұрын
Sounds almost like something the Nazis made up... Oh wait. It was
@quitmarck Жыл бұрын
@@darrenfleming7901 Ironically zizek describes himself as a cultural marxist, so it does in fact exist, just not in the way that people on the right think it does. The "cultural marxists" JBP and co. talk about are just liberals 99% of the time.
@askeladd611511 ай бұрын
@@singami465 🤦♂️
@anzamanto44073 жыл бұрын
'and that makes you humorous and charismatic and attractive' well that took a turn...
@pestilence.and.plague2 жыл бұрын
SOMEBODY, WRITE A FAN FICTION!
@drewtuten15623 жыл бұрын
We need more variety of thought like Zizek and Peterson. I do not agree with either of them but can appreciate the breadth of conversation. That being said, the title was misleading to this video.
@that_heretic9 ай бұрын
The fact that Peterson is still taken seriously after his display in this conversation (I mean the entire almost 3 hours, not just this clip) really highlights the education problem we face in the western world. It's frankly embarrassing.
@robertwegner89629 ай бұрын
Your level of intellect is far above that?
@K.R.O18759 ай бұрын
Peterson and Zizek spent the vast majority of it complimenting each other and agreeing. I guess neither should be taken seriously, then, eh?
@robertrichards95653 жыл бұрын
Aka, the moment Peterson realized he didn’t know what the fuck he was talking about.
@alexmontes62753 жыл бұрын
He should have just been honest and admitted he’s a dialectical materialist.
@thatguyben77543 жыл бұрын
there are people who aren’t dialectical materialists???
@LittleMushroomGuy3 жыл бұрын
@@thatguyben7754 Yes, like Hegel
@sepijortikka3 жыл бұрын
@@LittleMushroomGuy he is a dialectical materialist, but only retrospectively
@Chorismos Жыл бұрын
@@JinjaOnHere Bruh, the distinction between 'materialism' and 'idealism' dosen't exist in Hegelianism.
@robertstraw98819 ай бұрын
How to have a discussion with half a glass of water still in your mouth.
@FernandoRomero-jk5eg11 ай бұрын
This debate and the Sam Harris serie should be the reason of JP's personal and intellectual collapse... I mean, he was reducted to the absurd. Now he is close to be a TV pastor than anything. 😢
@milansvancara11 ай бұрын
Exactly... I used to admire him, but now he is just such a joke...
@nyrtzi4 жыл бұрын
That's the thing. JP isn't an expert on Marxism. His criticism of leftist ideas seems way more credible to me that the typical atheist criticizing religion in general though but that's not really saying much. It seems to me that JP isn't well-versed enough in the topic for a nuanced discussion.
@DunkdaHunk2 жыл бұрын
Most people who are firmly left or right won't open their mind up the positive aspects of the other side. Biggest problem with this is that it can spiral out of control. The UK is a big example of that. The media supports the conservatives regardless of their failings, but all its done is convince the populace that despite how shit things are "at least labour aren't in". The UK now has an angry hate filled population that blames immigrants for everything, and has sections of society who applaud deaths of immigrants who drown trying to get in across the channel. Some are even convinced that fascism is a left wing philosophy. The UK right now is fucked as a nation, with an extremist government in power.....already started ticking off a few fascist boxes as well, how far do we have to go before people open their eyes.
@Chorismos Жыл бұрын
Is that really much of a surprise? Some of the best critiques of Marxism came from the guys, that JP himself, says are ' Post-mordern Marxist'. People like Derrida and Focault who explicitly rejected such ideas and were one of the first in the new movement of Post-structuralism. Hell these Philosophers weren't even 'true' leftists. Most Marxist consider them 'not radical enough'.
@nyrtzi Жыл бұрын
@@Chorismos No, not very surprising. As you point out, insiders have an advantage due to their perspective for giving some types of criticism. Outsiders can rarely spot some things due to not having lived with the ideas and beliefs and as such have no first hand experience. That being said outsiders looking in from the outside can often say things that can't be as easily spotted looking from the inside out. Isn't this one of the core ideas behind the triangulation used in science as well? To bring together all the voices, perspectives, etc. to give a better approximation of what's actually going on? Just listening to one perspective like JP's isn't generally enough to grasp what's what.
@ericoluizgarcia33654 жыл бұрын
Peterson didn't even bother to read anything other than a 20 something page propaganda phamphlet and have the balls to call Zizek a mistery.
@keithtreco88513 жыл бұрын
Agreed but it’s spelt mystery
@odstjackson3 жыл бұрын
If you knew anything about Peterson you'll know he would have read everything on these lunatic philosophers.
@cylltndn79353 жыл бұрын
Mystery because he's absolutely irrelevant. Its actually a trustworthy insult
@singami4653 жыл бұрын
Hey, the only comment chain where a dumb communist makes that argument and it ISN'T 100+ replies long - Peterson never states that's the only Marxist literature he read, simply assumed that if you're trying to distill your ideas into a pamphlet, you'll hyperfocus on the most solid parts of your ideology, instead of producing reactionary drivel. Speaking of, the debate went so well for Marxism, that Zizek didn't even attempt to defend it.
@natethebluesman3 жыл бұрын
Yagi If your gonna criticize a philosopher as pretty much your entire career, you should probably read more than just a 20 page book
@curtisyue182 Жыл бұрын
Zizek's voice in this audio quality reminds me of the guy talking at the beginning of Rammstein's Mein Teil video
@kylenmaple46688 ай бұрын
It’s like watching an Eagle lecture a Goldfish. The difference in perspective is astounding
@alessandroturci67503 жыл бұрын
I think the reality about highly intellectual discussions about philosophy-politics is that you can discuss like this if the rest of your life (bills to pay, work to do, surviving) allows it. A person who struggles to bring food on his/her table will care more about getting that damn food and less about the nature of marxism and hegelian social philosophy. That's to say that politics goes beyond a pure intellectual political doctrine and, in my opinion, cannot ignore practical problems. With that said, I feel very lucky I can allow myself to watch this wonderful debate between two great intellectuals.
@michaelduguay7698 Жыл бұрын
The nice thing about KZbin is that someone like me, currently working part time at McDonalds, can still view serious (mostly) philosophical discussions on Marx, etc.
@DJDouglasWarden Жыл бұрын
just because we're working class doesn't mean we're dumb.can not only view videos on topic but we can create our own.who work at McDonald's and a pizza placeregular people like usThe other nice thing about KZbin is=
@DJDouglasWarden Жыл бұрын
proper english.that makes me look like I can't even speakGod damn talk to text. see it's the stupid cheap ass phone that doesn't follow what I'm saying
@davidd854 Жыл бұрын
If you think about it, if you would have a system of control that's too complicated for most people to bother to understand, and you give them a lot of stuff that's more interesting to them, that would be a pretty succeful system in controlling people.
@BBlack70 Жыл бұрын
What are the practical problems? And what are the futile ones? And which is which? As you see its not so easy.
@takieddinbalti69563 жыл бұрын
im trying to get in to zizek but his speaking style makes me so nervous, i beed to find audiobooks from him
@piscinediquinto4 жыл бұрын
And Peterson needs to read max weber, and Durkheim, great sociologists!
@markf52204 жыл бұрын
I get the sense that he is not a Durkheimian in the slightest, and rejects Weber's analysis of religion and capitalism, because a lot of contemporary academics don't really see Weber as a worthwhile read. I agree with you that it would be interesting to hear his thoughts on Weber and Durkheim, though!!!
@oleksijm4 жыл бұрын
Peterson just needs to read. Anything.
@eveningstar70484 жыл бұрын
Laurence Gagno and just read anything in general
@MS-il3ht4 жыл бұрын
@@oleksijm Jordan "read more" Peterson though
@markf52203 жыл бұрын
@@nomad639 My cop out answer is to read the writings of anyone you feel like you can gain from. The reason I said Weber isn't viewed as worthwhile by a lot of professors and academics is because his central thesis on capitalism arising in the western world due to the religious influence of protestantism is now seen as sorely lacking more refined argumentation at best, and outright incorrect and vaguely imperialistic at worst. Obviously, one of the reasons capitalism arose in the western world was because the level of military power in Europe enabled colonial expansion and the accrual of material wealth that resulted from that (ironically, that military power resulted from religious conflicts within europe in many cases and not the essence of protestantism). Another reason is that state governments and even some trading companies in the late 18th and 19th centuries were organised in such a way as to quickly mobilise en masse to expand their reach. Marx, Durkheim and Weber are all worth reading, however, in my opinion. Gaining an understanding of the classical theorists of an academic discipline will provide a well-grounded context for you to explore foundational concepts and contemporary theory more easily, as well as assust you when engaging in debate. Worthwhile sociology (to me) would be: Goffman's research on stigma. Durkheim on The Dreyfus Affair. Marx's analysis on the structural contradictions and dynamics of capitalism. Judith Butler's work on gender. Slavoj Žižek on Violence (or any text advocating a broadening of the definition of violence to encompass more than just the immediate physical space). Contemporary social mobility research. Michel Foucault's study of madness in Europe. There are a lot more text's and authors worth mentioning, (and perhaps some more worthy of acknowledgement than what I listed) but that's an impromptu taxonomy of my view on "sociology's greatest hits". Long-winded reply, but I hope it helped.
@wojciechgrodnicki63022 жыл бұрын
Good on both these guys for doing this debate and having a fun time of it.
@Truth5373 жыл бұрын
You sit and listen to discussions like this and then realize that nothing has changed...I'm just trying to put food on the table man...
@playermartin2864 жыл бұрын
God this damn audience
@whtplstc9 ай бұрын
This discussion was the exact moment Peterson jumped the Shark. It went downhill from there to Benzodiazepine addict -> rehab -> COVID denialism -> mouthpiece for right-wing talking points -> complete assimilation into the conservative punditry
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@Ali-zl1yp3 жыл бұрын
2:10 I developed shyshtematicaly in my booksh critical inshight into many traditional markshist. Thish izh(is) sho(so). No doubt here
@devams13 жыл бұрын
And so on and so on
@cylltndn79353 жыл бұрын
Mark-shit-st
@Hirnlego9992 жыл бұрын
What does it matter? Peterson has barely read Marx for it to matter.
@farrider33392 жыл бұрын
J.P. is desperately trying to sound intelligent and interested with his "question". Forgetting is underlying doctrine (†) is 2000 yrs old. I would have tackled him at this point .•°
@willjb893 жыл бұрын
Never knew the guy that voiced “Sylvester” from “Sylvester and Tweety” was like this
@musicloverkathy3 жыл бұрын
Pinky and The Brain
@ss_avsmt Жыл бұрын
I think Zizek is very kind here, not demeaning or insulting to this student who speaks with so much poise after reading a 70 page article on Marxism. Very kind indeed.
@connorryan348910 ай бұрын
Or reading the gulag archepeligo
@adley57553 жыл бұрын
Cool but I hate the audience screaming like this is some kind of show. What the hell, man, does everything have to be a show to be appealing? smh
@enoch20663 жыл бұрын
Americans being Americans
@balloe3466 Жыл бұрын
@@enoch2066 i was expecting the host to call a time-out and there to appear people on stage with t-shirt cannons😂
@danielmiller12604 жыл бұрын
It would have been nice to see Peterson's response
@a2falcone3 жыл бұрын
Was there a response? He asked a question about what Zizek thinks, and Zizek answered, so I wouldn't think a response is warranted.
@daves-c89194 жыл бұрын
Slippery Slavoj Remember in old fighting games like Tekken or Soul Calibur, there was always a character that emulated styles? You never knew what you were going to fight until the round started? That’s Slavoj’s debate style. He slips out of topics and direct questions and he stays in ambiguities about what he really thinks. If everything is an intellectual game and everyone’s confused about the stakes, he didn’t make anyone’s life better, but at least he feels smart. “You thought this was about Marxism? You’re stupid, I’m a Hegelian.”
@daves-c89194 жыл бұрын
Slater Slater Is it my comment that brings this kind of vitriol out of you? If so, man, I’m sorry...my intention was not to make it all worst. I just don’t see Slavoj as helpful to what I want to build with my life. But I wish him well. It’s pretty fucked up what you wrote...
@daves-c89194 жыл бұрын
Slater Slater You implied Peterson’s medical situation was caused by his stupidity... And you showed zero sympathy for him or his family... Anyway, have a good day, bud.
@harmoniousrex9 ай бұрын
I can't get over how the crowd claps at the end of Peterson's question. Even if you are on his side and appreciate the inquiry, what about it was wortht of applause?
@wetigaz3 жыл бұрын
1:36 debate between San Pellegrino and Evian
@0xcc32sys_err43 жыл бұрын
JUST KISS ALREADY
@KaraokeNig3 жыл бұрын
Where is the Asian girls Yaoi drawings of them ..
@aaronpescasio3 жыл бұрын
😳😳😳😳
@konan83533 жыл бұрын
Generally there is respect for both men in the comments, I appreciate all you guys 🤝
@henryberrylowry95124 жыл бұрын
Well, im Not a Hegelian, im a Fichtean.
@Thelastwarrior3 жыл бұрын
Imagine the conversations you will have with this guy when he’s high
@S41GON8 ай бұрын
I would like to see a tripartite conversation with Zizek, Peterson and maybe Curt Yavin or Nick Land.
@ewp76154 жыл бұрын
What were the countertendancies that marx mentioned about capitalism?
@zaganim38133 жыл бұрын
read the damn books
@glasgowgrad6277 Жыл бұрын
"...a doctrine of 170 years old' says a guy who steadfastly believes in a doctrine that's over 2000 years old.
@OsSimpsonsTv79 ай бұрын
Comparing the bible and religious texts to marx child book just goes to show the kind of braindamage we deal with when talking to a marxist.
@QoraxAudio4 жыл бұрын
If Peterson has watched some lectures of Zizek instead of relying on the "reputation" of Zizek, he wouldn't be surprised. Or even better: Peterson should read Zizek's books, Peterson looks like the reading type to me... 😉
@1nfiniteSeek3r Жыл бұрын
at 3:00 minutes Zizek refers to a section of Capital, and how Marx theorized multiple outcomes to the diminishing returns of Capital, I wondered if anyone had the chapter, and sections one might read more about this?
@fsands693 жыл бұрын
lol some seconds ago i mentioned them both in a comment and this comes up... i bet my youtube account could guess what do i want for my birthday
@u1rtc7t5f64t157856v82 жыл бұрын
Peterson obviously caught off guard by the term 'hegelian' says all about the intellectual astuteness of a guy who wrote one self-help book and became essentially the Deepak Chopra of the right.
@farrider33392 жыл бұрын
He's successfully regurgitating the fashionable mix of ½Psychology ½ † Doctrine Modern Guruism 🤮°
@goingmonotheist7833 жыл бұрын
We need them to debate again.. Also.. I love how peterson is dealing with zizek like a psychotherapist sometimes.. Rather than an actual debator .
@yarpenzigrin1893 Жыл бұрын
Zizek looks like someone who needs therapy.
@goingmonotheist783 Жыл бұрын
@@yarpenzigrin1893 That's just your like.. ideology.. man.. and so on and so on.. 😂
@dawnkeyy9 ай бұрын
Imagine going into a debate about westerns with Quentin Tarantino, having only seen 50 seconds of the The good, the bad and the ugly trailer.
@Anymonous246 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for slowing it down to 0.5 speed brother
@hxrx96703 жыл бұрын
Kermit the Frog interviews Cookie Monster.
@gunjack20644 жыл бұрын
I feel like these two are arguing about different things based on their preconceptions of each other.
@bubkabu3 жыл бұрын
Peterson certainly did. Zizek just answered
@yarpenzigrin1893 Жыл бұрын
@@bubkabu Whad did Zizek answer? That he's not a marxist fundamentalist but that he's a marxist protestant? Who cares? The debate was marxism vs capitalism and Zizek didn't put any forward any arguments in favor of marxism.
@j.a.motteux27859 ай бұрын
My God, 5min to ask a question
@luizz_k3 жыл бұрын
Has anyone played a video of this guy in slow motion?
@iamthewalrus4998 Жыл бұрын
The most fascinating thing about this debate is how Zizek found the strength not to call out JP lack of knowledge when it comes to communism. He sounds like a student who read the Wikipedia page and only remembers parts of it lmao
@davidd854 Жыл бұрын
I think Peterson thinks he figured out some most significant tenets in marxism. The pathological parts, so to say. I think he functions like that with a lot of his ciritique of ideology. I think he often makes good points.
@milansvancara11 ай бұрын
@@davidd854 well he sure thinks that:D
@connorryan348910 ай бұрын
Your acting like no one has eyes. We read books like the Gulag archipelago: The most damning lived experience of communism ever recorded. We can learn from these accounts and understand the nuances of communism in practice. It’s honestly despicable that people still follow anything communist when it birthed the world’s worst experience in the last 200 years of human experience
@NegaRenGenX2gay2lift7 ай бұрын
its better not to gaslight an individual on what they dont know, that might reinforce their lack of information
@virajgajjar57232 жыл бұрын
No reason to be allied with a doctrine that's 150 years old, says a guy who is allied with 2000 years old doctrine. Peterson is an absolute joke.
@Frohicky19 ай бұрын
If an idea is wrong in practise, it must be wrong in theory.
@pratikkute98504 жыл бұрын
first 25 seconds r lit...is this a insult or not
@eclipsewrecker3 жыл бұрын
“I’m not what you think I am, I’m what I think I am...” gotta love that Benny hill