Hazbin Hotel: Modern Musical Done Right. (Hell is Forever, More Than Anything, Poison)

Hazbin Hotel has had me in a death grip since it released and a large part of it is the music. Hazbin is a full blown broadway musical brought to animation and streaming and I'm here to check into the hotel.... I just had to...
Also, I used the terms SA and SW for s*xual abuse and s*x worker in the video as KZbin doesn’t like it when you say those phrases out loud.
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00:00 Introduction
03:42 Hell is Forever
06:49 More than Anything
10:15 Poison
13:51 Thoughts on the Show
15:01 Controversy
16:35 Wrap Up

[@NoMustang273]

Twitter has been obsessed with trying to cancel Vivziepop for years. Hazbin Hotel just has a very dedicated hate fandom to it because it's popular.

[@Imperial_Squid]

So Hazbin Hotel is the Nintendo of animated shows?

[@thesausageman5388]

@@Imperial_Squidexcept unlike Nintendo, none of the hate on Vivziepop is warranted

[@kclovelypinky8561]

​@@thesausageman5388yeah exactly all the hate she is getting is basically just like bullying where vivzy won't stop fanning the flames and that's why it keeps getting worse because she just needs to ignore the haters and not respond to them and majority of them might stop doing that. But I do think it's horrible that ppl do anything to criticize famous ppl especially creators who are not of normal society standards like ppl with mental health, women, lgbtq+ ppl, and others.

[@eeveefennecfox]

they're just cartoon haters

[@kclovelypinky8561]

@@eeveefennecfox that too they think that good animated shows can't be made for adults that's BS cause I'm a 22 year old who loves animated anything and I cried quiet a few times with the music and the development of the characters. I love everything that they are doing in this show especially darker topics that a lot of ppl want to be represented to get an understanding of what they went through. This is the type of media we need to help get the darker parts across of what a lot of ppl go through like abuse and other subjects not good to cover in a kids show.

[@nightmare_eclipse4933]

Hazbin isnt perfect but its loveable

[@ultimatebishoujo29]

That’s so true

[@Joopitor]

My thoughts exactly. It’s flawed beyond belief, but I love it to death

[@IAmScared.]

Companies need to give shows more episodrs, bro... Not blaming just wishing!

[@drdewott9154]

Yeah! It has flaws, but when it does something its good at, it does it outstandingly, to more than undo its shortcomings! Easy 9/10 and a show like no other to date! Ok except maybe Helluva Boss, but thats literally a spinoff of Hazbin Hotel, set within the same world and made by the same people.

[@p3chv0gel22]

​@@Joopitorit is flawed yeah. But who down here isn't?

[@arielgalles2107]

Something that really gets me in "Poison" is when Angel is doing his dance on the stage, and he looks like he's genuinely enjoying it, but then Val approaches and that small bit of joy is entirely ruined.

[@deliasaldana6850]

Exactly he probably enjoys his job and work because its something he wants to do but Valentino ruins this for him and he starts to hate the job in general because of val

[@Huppa3333]

He is a naturally promiscuous person, but hates being treated like meat

[@samanthaedenfield637]

@@deliasaldana6850 honestly, I think it’s a little deeper. I do think he enjoys being attractive and an icon because there’s that feeling of empowerment that comes with it, but Val is the reminder that it’s not by choice.

[@dietotaku]

@@deliasaldana6850 there's a valid conversation to be had about the way some people cope with abuse by moving into hypersexuality, and whether angel *truly* enjoys his work or if it's just a coping mechanism for how his bodily autonomy has been violated, both in life and after death. i think angel enjoys being flamboyant, sure, but he also dodges val's calls as much as possible

[@Misora7303]

It also looks like he is dissociating, like, some of the steps make quick cuts to a sexual act that looks similar, as if Angel is imagining something he has control over while doing something he feels forced to do, then Valentino appears, as if he couldn't even run to his own head anymore

[@billymcmedic4221]

Lucifer effectively taking a support role for Charlie also fits his theme as the “ringleader” of hell, yes the man is in charge, but his main job is to hype up the other acts and prepare the audience, lay the ground work to make the acts themselves stand out even more as a result, while keeping the circus organised, hell we see it in “more than anything”, when he throws Charlie the spotlight is on her while he’s out of frame, not to mention his entire pocket dimension is themed after a circus tent. Works incredibly well for how he is presented to the audience

[@AndragonLea]

There's also the angle that he did take a leading role at one point and was discarded by his fellow angels and exiled to hell to be surrounded by the most horrific negative aspects of his initiative for it. It wouldn't surprise me if he took a more passive role because that massive hit made him doubt his own best judgement. If he's not in charge, he can't mess up... Again.

[@rosenrot234]

The little toss Lucifer does to Charlie also reminded me of the Trust Exercises from Episode 3

[@LeHazy]

oh don't tell me it's greatest showman but gay...

[@incoherentdrawings]

@@LeHazy Don’t even speak that into existence 💀

[@mysticmind4563]

A bit of a tangent and probably a coincidence, but the founder of satanism was a former carnival performer so that adds to it.

[@somerelativleyuninterestin4763]

My favourite thing about More Than Anything is that it’s so good it actually made the “estranged father and daughter” set-up work for me

[@ultimatebishoujo29]

I know what you mean

[@ronhoward121]

I didn't like it at first, but only for pacing. I didn't feel the intense emotions were paid off by the context, and I wish they'd moved it to after the meeting with Heaven. But the animation and music is absolutely beautiful and encompasses so much. Best facial animation in the whole series.

[@thefiendish186]

And the reprise in the finale is one of my favorite moments in the show

[@mafuyuwastaken2844]

@@ronhoward121 yeah, sucks viv got only 8 eps to work with which rlly wrecked the pacing but it was still good despite that

[@Scarshadow666]

Definitely agree! I also agree with the other comments that say the show's pacing kinda makes it seem Charlie's daddy issues got resolved too quickly. To me, it helps to think of it as a lot of the other sinners in hell (including Husk and Alistor) are actually projecting Charlie's daddy issues to be more severe than it really is, because they have their own issues. They aren't wrong about Charlie being a very empathetic character that is in over her head at first (as well as inexperienced on what redemption actually is), but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the other sinners in hell have more severe mommy/daddy issues themselves, while the extent of Charlie's and Lucifer's familial issues is miscommunication.

[@medley_lark]

Never had the "controversy" explained to me before, just always heard people being like..."oh Vivziepop is controversial"*insert spooky noises* and I felt awkward ever admitting I liked her work--- now, I'm like, that's it? That's the controversy? are you kidding me?

[@scz1770]

I mean unfair pay and negative working conditions aren't nothing. It's also absolutely not absurd that people that also work at the studio would rush to defend her if they personally didn't experience anything, but that doesn't mean nothing happened to those first people. It's not as cut and dried as "it did or didn't happen". We can't know without more information but that doesn't mean we don't need to be sympathetic.

[@legobrickstudios21]

@@scz1770 the unfair pay thing was debunked. Hazbin pays Industrie standard and Helluva Boss even double that

[@liesdamnlies3372]

I’m pretty sure a lot of the hatedom are tweens or otherwise too young to think rationally. For whatever reason both shows are super popular with the youngin’s (and probably shouldn’t be, tbh), and kids generally don’t have the maturity to filter-out suspect allegations, nor understand what sexual assault victims go through.

[@commiedoggo8367]

as far as i understand all of the "controversies" are made up and it's all just hate for the sake of hate

[@liesdamnlies3372]

@@commiedoggo8367 Vivzie has a bit of a habit of putting her foot in her mouth on Twitter sometimes...but that's Twitter; you'll get mobbed for just about anything.

[@patrickazzarella6729]

Really should have been 10-12 episodes. It definitely felt rushed when there could have been so much more to explore. But it was ejoyable none the less

[@spartanjeffrey9993]

I hope that season 2 has that length. And hey, that would also mean more songs :)

[@oreoloki8872]

It might e been a South Park thing where they thought they’d get cancelled so they just hurried it up

[@davidkimpton6775]

I think season 1 feels rushed because they want to save room in season 2 to really delve into things. They no longer have to waste time introducing the Vees, or those in charge in heaven or establish the overlords or anything like that. Now they can just focus on the main story more

[@tami7992]

@@spartanjeffrey9993 I heard somewhere that season 2 is confirmed to have more than 8 episodes but I don't know if it's true

[@anothermiddleschoolburnout8816]

​@@oreoloki8872 They didn't know they were getting a season 2 until after production so I think that "cram every plot point in" logic holds true.

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

The idea that Angel fell in love with Val is questionable because Val can use his saliva to alter peope's mental states like a love potion.

[@jacksonvoet8312]

Really bad Stockholm syndrome. And also, you know, his saliva too.

[@sweethistortea]

Well that’s horrifying.

[@kiwisvideos0]

I mean, it's the most popular fanon. I hope it is true (that Angel fell in love with him). Like, that adds complexity to their relationship and makes it more heartbreaking.

[@X-SPONGED]

I do wonder how Vel makes her love potions. It would make sense if Val had something to do with it. He's a poisonous moth after all and I guess his pheromones may have a key part in the ingredients.

[@Jazzisa311]

I don't know... it is hinted that he fell for something, he was fooled, he had a hand in this.... It wasn't just him being kidnapped and drugged into signing... that would be too simple I guess

[@mythic_snake]

I didn't even realize this until someone else pointed it out, but after Angel says "I disassociate, disappear" his whole dance routine after that is a fantasy world he escapes into. The images that flash on the screens behind him are what is happening in real time. But every time Val approaches him, he is snapped back to reality for a split second until he manages to disassociate again.

[@toastoast01]

considering angel’s movements while dancing are seemingly affected by what’s happening in real time (like on his knees banging on the floor) this makes so much sense oh my god

[@lucidhound4632]

Oh my god I never even thought about this and now that you pointed it out, it makes so much sense.

[@user-wx6ms9rv2m]

Things like are this are what, despite its many flaws, make HH such an enjoyable series

[@alejandradasilva1999]

there is a... messed up interpretation that says that between the "my story is gonna end by your poison" and the outro he was drugged. (Val' spit is what they used to almost roofie him on the club later on) hence why the *blink* between Val grabbing him and showing up in his room, seemingly confused and with more of the pink stuff on his mouth. Needless to say what happened between those moment of awareness.

[@piratehalfdroid7370]

Sir pentious was me through out the entire song of More Than Anything

[@ultimatebishoujo29]

I can totally see that

[@crowoverr]

REAL!!! same here lmao

[@OtakuJuanma2]

I'd like to point out that when Angel gets pulled during Poison it not only shows his lack of control, but also shows how he does his best to appear like he actually is. Gets pulled, makes a sexy walk. Gets thrown to the ground, makes an ass-up pose. It both works as him trying to show himself as sexual for Valentino, or a simpler reference to the fact he's an actor. Also, he's a bad actor, as shown on Episode 4 but his act when trying to look okay appears genuine.

[@PURPLECATDUDE7734]

Precisely, it’s like he’s basically trying to convince himself that he’s enjoying it. Out of all the characters in this show, he’s the one who’s really truly in hell.

[@viedal]

My theory is that he's a really great actor but he acts poorly in his scenes so people can't suss out that he's putting on an act 24/7

[@p3chv0gel22]

​@@viedalmaybe acting poorly is still part of angels "Not his favorite toy anymore" thought from Episode 4. As in he hopes, that Val may lose interest in him as an actor, if he is bad enough

[@bella_daze3092]

@@viedal I actually had a similar thought ngl

[@carlafuqua1685]

he's not a bad actor, he's hamming it up on purpose

[@applepieexplosion4030]

Thank you for talking about the difference between angle dust and Anthony. I love how the actor even has distinct voices for each one. Anthony's voice is so much more raw and broken and it's horrifying but beautiful

[@whitemoonwolf13]

i like that roman was able to do "angel's voice" from the pilot but also found a way to put his own voice in the character. it would be interesting in s2 if he started sounding more like anthony around the hotel, something of an audio clue about how comfortable around the hotel he has become

[@applepieexplosion4030]

@@whitemoonwolf13 omg I'd love that! His Anthony voice is really good and I actually like it more than the angle voice

[@theknightmare2796]

Hazbin hotel soundtrack really is amazing

[@ultimatebishoujo29]

I know!!!

[@DemonPig666]

Fr

[@user-kr7yh8vw9m]

It's fantastic, i listened to all songs and they were exceptional, very classic Disney-like.

[@ldawg2894]

I think the fast pacing is because they didn’t have enough eps to work with, like they got told they could only do 8 eps so they had to squeeze a bunch of info into it to set up season two, hopefully Amazon let’s them make longer and more eps considering how positive the reviews and demand for more are

[@davidkimpton6775]

Or at least now that season 1 has introduced a lot of plot threads, season 2 can now breathe a little and allow time for more in depth moments

[@ldawg2894]

@@davidkimpton6775 yeah Viv said that the story is more simple in season 2 so the pacing will be a lot better, and I think it’s gonna be more deep bc they are taking a dive into how some of them got into hell

[@BlinkoutIRL]

@@davidkimpton6775 The Vee's are the biggest example. Velvette and Vox are non entities they are just set up to be important but they do nothing. I love Velvette's personality but the need to set her up really brings down Carmilla as a character. Respectless already breaks the illusion of a character that we met 2 minutes before. like give us some time to see Carmilla in control and then let us see her emotional side in Whatever it Takes.

[@milkbread51]

Another thing is the cast. For me, it’s been a while since I’ve seen a cast seem to genuinely enjoy being apart of a project this much and I think that alone speaks loads about how much care and effort everyone (not just the cast) put into this show. Also people are so scared of controversy that it shows in the media being produced but that’s how change is made. Hazbin Hotel and just vizziepop’s work in general has been such a breath of fresh air for me and adds to why I enjoyed it so much.

[@drdewott9154]

Yeah, everyone is just so onboard and enjoying it! I see some of the actors profiles on twitter every once in a while, and Erika Henningsen, Blake Roman, Jessica Vosk, and Joel Perez are all so loving of the project they got to be a part of! And Amir Talai oh boy, he's probably been the most active of them all... and presumably scarred by having to look up some interesting things, but kudos to him for being so involved. Plus it seems like there's massive respect in both directions between the pilot cast and the series cast, and thats just so nice to see. Both did their jobs really well and its so nice to see the mutual respect and love for the production.

[@HannahBanina]

For real, the fact that Amir Talai tends to interact with official and fan-made content in-character as Alastor is wonderful; Blake Roman having nothing but respect for, and becoming friends with, Michael Kovach is so wholesome (Michael even gave him a Fat Nuggets plush at a con recently 🐷); Erika Henningsen already being so much like Charlie in real life is adorable; Joel Perez as a real person being the furthest thing from Valentino but clearly enjoying and killing his role is awesome; Jessica Vosk thanking the fanartists for making Lute look even more badass than she already is, is beautiful; and of course, the funniest one, Krystina Alabado openly telling the Internet about how much she loves Sir Pentious (“I swear it’s not because I voice Cherri Bomb,” she says haha) is just. The absolute best thing for my CherriSnake heart 🍒💞🐍 I swear, it’s just as amazing as Black Gryph0n making Alastor music even after getting recast, Krystal LaPorte also playing Cherri in some fan songs, Elsie Lovelock getting in on the action as Charlie every once in a while, Alex Brightman telling everyone how much he relates to Fizz, and Brandon Rogers joking about Blitzø basically being his impsona. Like say what you will about Viv and her writing, having actors this passionate is really what sells it. (I also gotta give special mention to Jeremy Jordan absolutely crushing it as my new favorite character Lucifer, too, like DANG, Apple Daddy is so fun and relatable and perfect thanks to him, how could Lilith even _think_ of leaving that perfect man I love him /lh 🤍🍎)

[@gregorturner9421]

it shows how far the industry has come that shows like hellavaboss and hazbin hotel made it to being aired despite the risque nature of the material and I for one am happy that they did get produced. This was one of the reasons i stopped watching many western shows and went to watching anime as they weren't afraid of broaching subjects like this. Then bam out of nowhere hellava boss and hazbin hotel kicked the door down and screamed loudly and from the reactions I've seen from many youtubers both appear to be critical successes. are they for everyone, well no, but thats the point, these shows are gloriously aimed for the adult market and went full throttle, no holding back. tackling many subjects and having adorable characters (nifty im looking at you, i seriously want a plushie of her)

[@portobeIIa]

@@gregorturner9421 the entire adult animated shows in the western world has been decaying for years, the simpsons has fifty fucking seasons they really cant let that die, not to say the "ugly animation" problem -- since the western industry instantly assumes that anything that is animated is for kids, for some reason, they have to get out of their way to make the animation not appealing to children since the rating "adult animation" is not a thing, thing is they make it unappealing to everyone. in japan for example, you can make an adult show thats rated adult and happens to be animated, which is why the animation is allowed to be... not hideous. like aggretsuko, it's adorable, not necessarily gory or sexual but it handles exclusively adult themes. not to say the multiple adult animated movies that there are in japan. western adult animation really is blossoming to have something on par with eastern animation on indie studios of all placies!

[@gregorturner9421]

@@portobeIIa truth, the only show i know of in the past 15 years that was recognised by the anime fans as quality animation from the west was The Last Airbender, more for its fantastic story and well thought out characters.

[@manicpixie7024]

As an SA survivor, yeah, I've never felt more seen than watching Angeldust go through all that shit, even though the particular abuse he suffers wasn't what I went through. Loser, baby, is also such a comfort song for me? Not even because of the SA, but because of my disability. It's nice, it's comforting, to admit "yeah I'm a loser, but hey I'm not alone" and I adored the episode. It helped me really reframe how I see myself and my disability, funnily enough

[@peterbear4413]

My wife is a DV victim's advocate, and she agrees with me that this is the most honest portrayal of SA/SW that she's ever seen in media. It's raw, and real, and uncomfortable, and it's supposed to be, because we are NOT supposed to be OK with this. You can't address a problem without acknowledging it exists first. And just like the episode shows us, sometimes all it takes is to know 'you're not alone' to finally take that step.

[@brookeb4563]

I was taken advantage of someone I considered a friend and thought I loved. I remember how numb I became when talking to him and going along with whatever he was in the mood for and being manipulated into doing things I never wanted to do in the first place. Poison and the song "All You Wanna Do" from Six resonate with me so much. I know my experience was probably small compared to others that have experienced some form of sexual abuse or assault, but I still feel these songs resonating with me.

[@dvckduckgoose]

Viv said from the start that she wanted Broadway VAs and the OG cast knew that

[@oatmeal_doodles8114]

I can’t even listen to *more than anything* because my heart starts crying, this song has been in a headlock. The “I’m grateful your my daughter more than anything” is such a powerful line, and the voice actors do SUCh a good job. This song just makes me so happy.

[@sophiekoett1740]

Plus the VA for Lucifer, Jeremy Jordan, has a young daughter so he must’ve been singing that song with her in mind😁

[@juanafigueroa3881]

​@@sophiekoett1740awww i didn't know that

[@cheezbiscuit4140]

​​@@sophiekoett1740 *sir pentious voice*: aaaw that's sweet

[@tiph3802]

​@@cheezbiscuit4140shut up, I *read* that in his voice! 😭

[@Passions5555]

​@sophiekoett1740 how old is his daughter?

[@thelastcrow5660]

Hazbin Hotel and controversy go hand in hand, ever since the pilot episode.

[@ultimatebishoujo29]

So true

[@faeyzaihsanulfikri9975]

So true yet so stupid this is why i try too hard to ignore any kind of controversy

[@Dr_Weirdoo]

(boils it down to three songs) (Omits Loser, baby) (Physical pain)

[@B1gLupu]

It is a great song, maybe even the best, but it doesn't actually drive the plot. It clarifies a bit about Angel and Husker, but not groundbreakingly.

[@wilberwhateley7569]

I would have gone with “you didn’t know” - so much happening in such a small window of time as secrets and lies come to the surface!

[@BrokensoulRider]

It actually does a lot of work. For example, it finally starts Angel on the path of finding his own feet, and healing from what Valentino had dragged him into. @@B1gLupu

[@nicestpancake]

"And Nifty...... she's there too," classic

[@tiph3802]

I love Nifty so much!

[@sarahlandis289]

@@tiph3802 me too! 😄

[@ReelPodcasts]

Yes the musical aspect of the show is key to why the show works in terms of character growth. When I see allot of the critique on the show's characters its mainly from people who aren't into musical theater and the growth that the songs give goes over their heads.

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

A musical number is an emotional explosion compared to the way characters normally unfold. So, yeah -- you can cover a lot of ground in just two minutes.

[@maxismills]

Exactly this!!

[@giulianabarbagallo1709]

I've seen many people complaining that the songs didn't add anything to the show and I ?????

[@Mixi_Hazbin]

Finally a good analysis of some of the songs. I loved the breakdown of More than Anything. It is my favourite in the whole season. My favourite visual joke is that Lucifer is dressed as a Circus Ringleader. Which I found super hilarious.

[@lrkeribergaard6110]

and an apple core from behind

[@timopheyokraken7341]

Interesting, that he IS a Circus Ringleader, his troupe is another sins, which is never mentioned, but found in materials for voice acting, and mentioned by Viv during commenting Beelzebub's design.

[@Just_a_piece_of_bread]

Highly agree on you with 'More than Anything' The details and the vocals are just SO GOOD! I just really love the part where Lucifer sings the part; "I'll shelter and adore you more than anything", in a soft voice with the small voice crack as you say, added with the very fluid of him hugging Charlie softly and protectively. 9:15 This song is one of my favorite and touches my heart ausksbdkjsl

[@sophiekoett1740]

Plus the VA, Jeremy Jordan, has a young daughter so he must’ve been singing that song with her in mind😁

[@Just_a_piece_of_bread]

@@sophiekoett1740 aww that actually makes the song allthemore wholesome

[@rosenrot234]

@@Just_a_piece_of_bread Probably why "Who just happens to also be YOUR BLOOD" in the previous song sounds an awful lot like a tired dad just wishing his newborn would fall asleep lol

[@JoJo-cs5gp]

The hate the creator gets is SO blown out of proportion. I know it's Twitter, but I think it also has something to do with her audience because despite this show being for adults, most of the audience are teens, which explains why the majority of the fandom and hatedom are VERY immature. Im not saying that there's nothing to critique because the show isn't perfect. However, most of the "criticism" I've heard isn't even good criticism and just plain hate for the dumbest things.

[@wilberwhateley7569]

It’s “crab syndrome” if you ask me - Vivzie is the one “crab” that leaves the bucket while all the others try to drag her back down…

[@guadalupemaldonado625]

i didnt really know most of the fandom is conformed by teens. that explains why everytime i saw a hazbin hotel fan online i couldn't help but feel cringe. that kept me away from watching the show until i saw the cast. teens tend to fall sm into the "stealing chacaracters personality" thing or they just grow an ego SO BIG based on the vibes of the show and is just... cringe

[@shuwashuwa.soda_]

I actually agree, idk about the teenager stuff because god me and my friend love this show. It's just been about a week since I finished this show and I didn't know there were some hate issues, but after seeing, it's just really all downright dumb over reacting arguments

[@Kokkurichan]

Technically, Final Space was the first KZbin animated pilot to be picked up by a major studio and turned into a multiseason series with major actors cast, but that show was screwed over big time by Warner Bros. But I'm glad that Hazbin Hotel is being given more of a fair chance :). I love this show so much.

[@ashethewitch1156]

yess so glad you mention it!! I love final space!!! Lets hope the same thing won’t happen with hazbin tho it dosent seem that way since it has already been picked up for season 2 and they marketed the show a lot before it came out

[@Kokkurichan]

@@ashethewitch1156 Final Space is such an underrated grm and I will always recommend it.

[@Zistheone2]

Hazbin is technically the fifth KZbin project to become a proper series then since Bee & Puppycat, Dead End, and Smiling Friends all came out first

[@ot7biasedmashups]

This video came at the right time because I was literally just singing Hell Is Forever😂😂 This soundtrack is actually insane. The quality and respect for the craft is just something I would have never expected in 2024. It's absolutely awesome

[@Imperial_Squid]

"Ba-now-now-now-now, guitar solo, fuck yeah" is a fuckin incredible line to show off what Adam thinks of himself unironically, it's also hilarious

[@ot7biasedmashups]

@@Imperial_Squid agreed I was literally on the floor laughing

[@Burnt_Loaf.]

Nobody : Lucifer : " HAHA, TAKE THAT DEPRESSION! "

[@Cam_the_cool_boy]

It’s hard for me to hate her because everything I’ve seen against her has either been debunked or it’s the STUPIDEST thing to get mad over. They literally work against their own agenda. The only thing I can confirm is worthy of criticism is her usage of voodoo symbols to add to Al’s “creepy” aesthetic. Other than that, I think Twitter needs to realize that (what they presume as) bad writing ≠ someone’s quality of character. Just because she wrote a show you don’t like doesn’t mean she’s a shitty person. EDIT: She’s still pretty annoying, and she needs to get off of Twitter 😭

[@sandracarnegie2871]

💯💯💯💯

[@RukoHanaji]

FWIW, Alastor had canonically been a Creole practitioner of Voodoo from Louisiana since his sketch origins ; it wasn't included as a novelty just to be edgy.

[@thegoodwitchluzura]

@@RukoHanaji Also, Vivzie is Latina, so even if she isn't Black, people claiming that this is a situation where a white woman is stealing and appropriating from Black culture are wrong.

[@arcadeunskilled]

Have the transphobic comments been debunked? I would love if that were the case.

[@arcadeunskilled]

@@Zistheone2 The instance that was brought to my attention in a not-very-verifiable form was a screenshot of transphobic comments she purportedly made herself about transmasc people just being women roleplaying (or something to that tune, it's a common enough sentiment)

[@pirateninjaunicorn666]

Lucifer is just the perfect character - he's such a cute dork, a littke messy, but strong when it's important. We stan a short king 👑

[@unhingedunit562]

I'd also like to mention on the topic of them hiring new actors, the actors as far as we know have taken it very well. They wrote a song called "Thank You and Goodnight" which I highly recommend giving a listen to. Getting angry on their behalf isn't going to go anywhere, especially since they voiced only a pilot, which often have placeholders.

[@AdventureGirl-zn4wc]

Thank You And Goodnight is brilliant, and as you say, they took it really well, not holding any hard feelings or anything. Still, I do think they should've got an invite to the premiere of Hazbin, as they were an important part of ensuring the show's popularity.

[@NylaTheWolf]

I'm glad they're not taking it too personally!

[@alextaylor3380]

@@NylaTheWolf From what I can tell, they knew from the start they were just placeholders, and this was just Vivienne getting the idea out there, to them this was a fun little one-shot gig that someone else might pick up eventually.

[@solstice4522]

You know what. I love the potential this show has. It was fun to watch and I loved how the characters were written. It’s great to have something so different come out of the industry. And I’m happy to see the change

[@falkner9072]

Oh yeah, I am really looking forward to season 2

[@kaiumeda6341]

Phineas & Ferb walked so Hazbin Hotel could run

[@hoifzf]

I like the art style and honestly I barely notice the "problematic" pacing I think it's a breath of fresh air admits drawn out garbage that should have ended a long time ago or the blandness of what adult cartoons that are watched

[@davidkimpton6775]

lol I actually saw someone claim they wanted season 1’s plot to be stretched across 3 seasons. People really are used to shows wasting peoples time lmao

[@hoifzf]

@@davidkimpton6775 yeah and even when series are long with excellent plots they still complain that more should've been done

[@somedragonbastard]

​@@davidkimpton67753 seasons is a lot but they deserved at least a full 12 episodes. Not every episode of a show has to rocket the plot forward

[@davidkimpton6775]

@@somedragonbastard well yeah of course they needed more episodes; but I just can’t believe Viv and her team are at fault for that. What creator wants less time to share their art?

[@giulianabarbagallo1709]

​@@davidkimpton6775I really like the show, but I also think some storylines could've been cut out or moved to season 2. It was really happening too much at times, the pacing issues are noticeable imho. I understand why they wanted to put as much as they could into the short season, though.

[@rachelhansen2417]

You Didn’t Know is my personal favorite. Every single part of the chorus of Hell is Forever is thrown back, and the duet parts of the song (Adam/Lute and Charlie/Emily) are absolutely fire. Then the betrayal at the end… it’s a whirlwind of story and emotions that can’t be conveyed any other way but through music.

[@wilberwhateley7569]

I suppose it could be conveyed by other means, but I doubt that it would have the same impact - the writers outdid themselves with that one and ended episode six with one hell of an emotional cliffhanger!

[@lukestarkiller441]

I was just absolutely blown away by this show. It really reminded me of those classic Disney movies with their music numbers. This show is a textbook example of how to do musicals right. They aren't just catchy pop songs. The songs themselves enhance the story, develop the character, and set the tone. You learn so much about these characters from just a short 2-3 minute song. There's no clunky or boring exposition. The songs tells you all you need to know about these characters and how they feel. Every song is there for a reason, each one serves a purpose.

[@BrokensoulRider]

Mainly that can be said about songs beyond 2016. Moana I think is the last true Disney movie that had good and memorable music. @@mariarzyt_3D

[@guadalupemaldonado625]

like dear evan hansen showing us a whole familly's dinamic around a complex event during requiem. that writing is what makes a musical really memorable.

[@renagadedesperado115]

"An entire arc of growth in one song". Yeah, that about sums it up lol

[@edwardwestmoreland-caunter6128]

While I can understand people wanting more variety in the character shapes, I also fully appreciate as an artist myself, that as an artist, Vivienne is fully within her right to design her characters however she wants, and if that's really a deal-breaker for people, they shouldn't watch the show. I'd much rather creatives be honest about their creations than hypocritically try to please everyone just for the sake of pleasing people. Also so relieved you took an intelligent and nuanced approach regarding the "drama." I'm so sick of people constantly attacking Vivienne, only for it to turn into yet another steaming pile of nothing. Fantastic video, as always!

[@HeatherSchrivener-el2mx]

Also, Mimzy exists. She wasn’t around for long this season, but she was originally supposed to be part of the main cast so she might pop up again.

[@edwardwestmoreland-caunter6128]

@@HeatherSchrivener-el2mx Very good point! I'd forgotten about her

[@xseasonxchangex]

Your description of More Than Anything had me crying. 😭

[@pinkgirl192]

1:46 even worse is Jermey Jordan (Lucifer in the show) was the original cast for Zac’s character and was the one to demo and showcase the greatest showman songs so that it got greenlit. Then they cast Zac. So amazing analogy.

[@ayarcy5303]

Your description of Poison is markedly similar to how I described Six's All You Wanna Do in a recent college essay of mine, which made me realize something: I think both the songs and the characters (Angel Dust and Katherine Howard) are also remarkably similar. Not just in the obvious SA of it all, but I the deflecting of trauma by the characters, the larger-than-life pop song that does it's best to justify what's happening but just can't, to the final outro where the mask slips.

[@hgdellinger]

I love that comparison!

[@I.Simmonds]

I never heard anyone belt in a half hour cartoon show before, it was cool.

[@aceofspades3973]

It's pretty common in a lot of Disney shows. One of the actors in Hazbin, Jeremy Jordan, is also in Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure, which has some amazing musical numbers.

[@chrisz7494]

​@aceofspades3973 seconding this one. RTA has some legit Broadway bangers. "Ready as I'll ever be" kept getting recommended to me and that's how i got into the show. If you want crazy powerful belting, check out "Waiting in the Wings" (spoiler alert)

[@AdventureGirl-zn4wc]

​@@aceofspades3973Yeah, Varian in Tangled the Series/Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure has some incredible songs, like Let Me Make You Proud (which also has some amazing belts) and Nothing Left To Lose, a beautiful duet.

[@sharkrancher282]

You might enjoy 'Centaurworld'! That show flew way under the radar, probably because it mostly appeals to an EXTREMELY specific taste-range. But I could definitely see some significant overlap between it and the Hazbin fandom. Not every song in Centaurworld is designed to be a banger; but, when it goes hard, it goes HARD.

[@AdventureGirl-zn4wc]

@@sharkrancher282 Doesn't Centaurworld have Kimiko Glenn in it?

[@davidkimpton6775]

Thank you for being genuine with your criticisms. I’ve seen a LOT of reviewers claiming the show is completely unwatchable and total garbage due to the fast pace. Which is just insanely dishonest. You just kinda have to accept that the plot moves quickly and you can have a lot of fun. IMO the fast pace was to save more room in season 2 for individual characters but we’ll just have to see what happens. Another thing is I feel like most critics on KZbin don’t get that the songs in this show convey the story. I’ve seen a lot act like they add nothing or “aren’t earned” when the song itself IS the explanation of a character motivation or showing development. If someone doesn’t like musicals that’s fine, but they can’t really call a musical garbage just because they don’t like the medium

[@harrylts]

THANK YOU. I really needed to hear some good criticism about this show aside from "it has pacing issues" and just in general to see someone genuinely enjoy it. The part about it being a musical benefiting its messy pacing was something I never thought about but it makes so much sense! Not to mention the songs are absolute bangers as well. This video was a really nice breath of fresh air for this - as you said - _interesting_ fandom, so thank you for putting your thoughts out :)

[@Imperial_Squid]

All my life I've kinda looked down on musical theatre (I have two stem degrees and didn't experience much of the arts as a kid, product of circumstance more than anything else), but I unironically fuckin love Hazbin Hotel, Stayed Gone is such a fun song

[@davidkimpton6775]

That tends to be a common attitude lol. As someone who was in drama all through high school I hope this show lets you explore more of the Broadway catalogue out there!

[@sarahlandis289]

Poison is my favorite, it hurts in such a beautiful way

[@VanNessy97]

I also layered the vocals of "Poison" over an instrumental of "Toxic" by Britney Spears because those two songs have the exact same energy. I wish I knew how to post it, but that would probably require me animating something over the audio file.

[@garielgames4018]

PLEASE upload this, you could go to an online editor and put the audio file over an image, or yoy could upload a link to the audio file, but this sounds so good

[@randomcatname7792]

There are KZbin videos with a pure black background. It's not a big deal

[@AdventureGirl-zn4wc]

Please, please upload this! You could just post the audio file with an image, say of Angel or Brittney, or just a blank screen!

[@peterbear4413]

Heh, I took the 'Toxic' audio and layered that over the 'Poison' video and... it works. Creepily, terrifyingly well. 'Poison' is sadly a shorter song than 'Toxic', but if I actually had any skill in such things, I could probably use repeats/other clips of Angel Dust and Valentino to pad it out.

[@lauramcastro4897]

"An entire arc of growth in just one song" is really nailing it. I kept seeing people talk about the rushed pacing in the series, while it was airing, and I just kept going "Huh? Where?" The compacting of character arcs into songs delivered the emotional punches so well, at least for me, I didn't feel any rush at all. Maybe I'd feel Husk and Angel were rushed after one (1) heart-to-heart conversation, but after "Looser"? No, yeah, I absolutely believe they are besties after Looser.

[@BennyHyena]

Also it's not like the pilot actors were hurting for roles at the time. Michael Kovach is in f****** everything these days, even back then he was prominent in animation. Edward Bosco went on to voice Striker in Helluva Boss. Etc etc. And as far as relations go, everyone from the pilot cast and the main series seems to be on good terms with one another. It's a good sign that there's no bad blood between anyone.

[@MrSailing101]

most of the hate for Hazbin hotel is perpetuated by people who hated Vizipop before Hazbin Hotel. Why do these people hate Vivzipop? I think it's because she's an extraordinarily talented furry artist who 's response to toxicity is to push back against hatedom.

[@gracel2mart]

The stuff I see has to with the age gap ship from like 10 years ago, which yeah was a while ago, but also wasn’t just jealousy?

[@tiph3802]

​@@gracel2martI'm only marginally familiar with this, but it's practically a rite of passage in your early 20's to be into way older men. It's almost like we're taught this. . . Yeah, blaming creepy old men for that, not Viv.

[@bailfire2741]

Oh no age gaps with drawings CANCEL THEM RN god these contraversies are complete jokes

[@jadecoolness101]

@@tiph3802 she evolved from liking age gaps to defending r4pe festishists sooooo.......

[@tinnertanner]

"it's so inappropriate to talk that stuff, It's too dark" moral orel.

[@mepollack]

I’m with you on this series. I loved watching through it after so long away from the series after watching the pilot. I think the pacing is also my major issue with the series, but they clearly didn’t have much choice on the number of episodes. Would love to get your thoughts on Helluva Boss (great clip choices as supplements) at some point.

[@WhiteRose2002]

Yeah I only hope that for season 2 they get more episodes, like I’m thinking 12 would be enough to fix the pacing issue

[@AFlyingWalrus]

I probably will talk about Helluva Boss at some point as it's one of the few "comedies" that has made me cry both from laughter and from pain.

[@MostlyPennyCat]

5:13 i like the fact that the first angel you meet, Adam, the first man, in his first scene, immediately commits all seven deadly sins! 😂

[@SereneIceDragon]

The end of Poison absolutely killed me. The emotion in his voice is so intense and that episode changed Angel from "I think he might be my favorite" to "He's definitely my favorite and he needs a hug". More Than Anything makes me emotional too. I didn't expect to love this series so much but the music really is just absolutely amazing and I don't think I can even pick a favorite. As for controversies...I just avoid fandoms entirely. There is always some controversy going on and most of the time is unwarranted or blown out of proportion. The show is great so I'm gonna keep watching.

[@stephguzdoodles]

NGL, my heart sanked when you said you didn’t like a song about the season and it was showing a clip from Whatever it Takes cuz any Vaggie/Carmilla song are my favs! Awesome video and as a fellow theater lover, I agree this show is my bread and butter!

[@fishraposo7192]

Every time I listen to more than anything it breaks me in the best way possible

[@ultimatebishoujo29]

Same here

[@kikiqt2442]

9:50 And I’m pretty sure Charlie’s VA recorded the song AFTER Lucifer’s, which is super impressive! They sound awesome together, and I hope they get another duet next season.

[@VeeFerns]

16:35 bee and puppycat (kinda), dead end paranormal park (kinda), I mean the pilots of both were done by cartoonhangover, but you could say the hazbin pilot was done by spindlehorse, bee and puppycat was continued by cartoonhangover before being picked up by netflix, but helluva boss is kinda the equivalent to that, and in terms of other indie cartoons, cartoonhangover is the glitch productions to their murder drones

[@kateztube]

Nothing’s perfect. But Hazbin Hotel shows that nothing has to be. Because it has memories. Because it’s genuine. Because there’s effort. And I love it “more than anything”.

[@ajlucky0076]

Disney musicals: "oh god another song here we go" Hazbin Hotel: "HELL YEAH ANOTHER SONG"

[@notebook_doodle]

I really liked how you talked about "More than anything", it perfectly describes why I loved that song so much apart of course from their respective VA's beautiful performances

[@DodgeThisBam]

I’ve always loved how despite not being into music much, broadway musical telling a good story with an edge never fails to entertain me. I loved Little Shop Of Horrors, I cried laughing watching South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut, I finally saw my first Live show in Avenue Q and now Hazbin Hotel rolls around and it was just so damn good! Happy Day In Hell(reprise,) Loser and You Didn’t Know were my top 3. Thanks for the amazing video!

[@Philtopy]

This show worked so well for me episode 4 actually kicked me into a micro depression wich caused me to finally get an appointment for therapy against anxiety and self worth issues. So it may be one of the best video productions for me of the last decade. We’ will see …

[@blitzar2258]

I’m so thankful that you gave More Than Anything the praise is deserves, by the end of that song on my first listen I was in tears, and yet I don’t see nearly enough people talking about it.

[@Seer_Of_The_Woodlands]

I assume that the eight-episode rush is due to Amazon or Bento Box Entertainment / A24... maybe only eight episodes were published / produced due to "risks". (due to the theme of the series, etc.). let's see if there are any changes in the coming seasons episodes (Considering the huge success of the series). i have nothing else to say, great video!

[@Imperial_Squid]

Possibly due to higher ups, but probably also affected by the pandemic, Invincible was also massively affected but you can kinda afford to delay that one as needed since it's an established series that's massively popular

[@Seer_Of_The_Woodlands]

@@Imperial_Squid well said

[@irkenpony17]

They did not even know Season 2 was given to them till they were near done with season one. And apparently 8 episodes could also be influenced by today's Attention Spans. People tend to lose focus on shows by the 8-10th episode. Since it is animated and adult rated AND given a lot of money for it to work, there were more than likely some set restrictions.

[@Seer_Of_The_Woodlands]

@@irkenpony17 Good point.

[@Imperial_Squid]

@@irkenpony17 I don't think the attention span thing is convincing, if that were the case, wouldn't shorter episodes make more sense than shorter series? That way whether you watch infrequently or binge, you still sit through less, if you do shorter series rather than shorter episodes, that only caters to short attention spans for binge watchers, which sounds pretty oxymoronic Broadcast TV has long series because they're cheaper to make and need to fill air time. Streaming on the other hand costs more to make generally since you need to persuade people to watch your thing over everything else, not just the other channels. So you either produce less episodes more frequently, or more episodes less frequently, and it seems like most shows have settled on a dozen episodes, a couple of years between seasons kind of balance between getting enough story in each season and staying in the public consciousness

[@julesrules7297]

Great show, it lives up to the hype.

[@exevirus1989]

16:50 i think that final space actually achieved the same thing first

[@thecommenter90]

Stayed Gone is the best HH song, you can't change my mind.

[@AugustCrossroads]

Everything gets even more impressive when you realize vivzie did all of this with $50k on hand

[@oddity1769]

That number is going to haunt me

[@lexa4160]

Personally I am not a person that likes musicals in general (not even in movies), but this show truly feels different, its incredible how catchy and fun/cool lyrics the songs have, I am obsessed with them! Thank you very much for this vid, I totally agree

[@fizzydizzystudios4768]

Love how I decided to watch this before going to church lol

[@GavinBisesi]

8 episodes is the new size because it's cheaper for the companies to make, and all they need is one season people like to get subscriptions. It's definitely not a director decision

[@Hoshimaru57]

I never followed the drama. I’m here for the characters and the story. I’m here for the art regardless of the artist.

[@elisabethtenbrinkkelley8044]

"And Nifty... She's there too."

[@EboismyCat]

If you pay attention to the screens during poison when he is dancing it shows him bieng tortured and abused but when he gets taken away its him dancing on the screen with sparkles witch I feel implies they are trying to edit his life and make him seem perfectly fine

[@haleymj553]

Listening to your breakdown of More than Anything has me crying again its just so good and you put it so perfectly into words.

[@GuhnomeArt]

9:39 This is the most true thing about nifty the entire series 😂 lol great video!

[@Vazar]

Ah man, it's always great to watch your videos especially when you make them about absolute banger shows! I also have the same thoughts about season 1 as you. I see all the mistakes that Hazbin Hotel has but I can't repress the theatre kid inside me because I love musicals too much.

[@Lovehandels]

Poison is so heartbreaking and More than Anything is heart melting, I can't......

[@Shsy7573]

Every time someone talks about More Than Anything I get emotional all over again.

[@MultifandomMess]

more than anything makes me cry and your analysis of it made me cry again, thank you. aAAAAAAAAAAAA-

[@Shaes_Projects]

More than Anything really is a special song! I didn’t catch some of the animation during it, but hearing you say that he sees her being surrounded by the angels’ spears is heartbreaking. It’s just one of the sweetest songs! I prefer Hell’s Greatest Dad for its catchy electro swing duet between Alastor and Lucifer, but I can’t deny the emotional impact of More Than Anything. Other side notes: Ready For This goes down as one of my top favorites because it’s such a joy to listen to. Stayed Gone is a song that, while I initially didn’t like it as much, it really started to grow on me the more I listened to the lyrics! It’s such a fun villain duet that I keep going back to! “Yes I know it’s been awhile since someone with style treated Hell to a proper broadcast. Sinners rejoice!” “What a dated voice!” “Between this and that, and that and this. Is nothing working?” “Ignore his chirping!” “Instead of a clout-chasing mediocre podcast.” “We’re looking at the future! He’s the shit that comes before that!” Alastor ending with “I’m gonna make you wish that I stayed gone” to counter Vox’s “…YOU stayed home”, is, well, “the sugar in the cream!”

[@margaretmcfarland793]

This was an nice video essay. You did a great job breaking down what made the soundtrack great, especially the ones you picked. I don't buy music that often, but after listening to the soundtrack from the first set of episodes on repeat on KZbin, I immediately bought them as soon as they became available. Sure, there several things that could have been changed to improve the show, like writing and pacing. But for what we got, it's not bad! It was fun, well-made modern musical and with actual good music; we need more of this! And thanks for mentioning the ridiculous controversies. I know Viv has made some choices I don't fully agree with, but the fact that some people go through great lengths to sabotage her or paint her as an evil person is just awful and dumb.

[@simpinqsakura8014]

what a fantastic analysis! particularly loved more than anything - you picked up so many details i never noticed, like the voice break, how lucifer supports charlie through backing vocals etc. they really put so much effort into this show, it will forever have such a place in my heart.

[@lmlmanonfire13]

lol, are you another water sign? You’ve had me ever since your treasure planet and you continue with amazing takes. Thank you for your commentary. It feels very earnest and heartfelt. In an environment where snark, anger, and bandwagon if is rewarded, your videos get me to tear up. Thank you

[@aria5614]

Something I want to say about Religious extremists is that Vivzie clearly understands Christian Lore and Mythology far better than anyone actually in the faith that isn't into demonology and such.

[@rakaydosdraj8405]

It's like Star wars viewers who know the movies, vs superfans who can rattle off the early Extended Universe, the retcons after the prequels, and the Disney wipe and partial recanonization. Most christians dont even recognize Lillith as the First Woman. It's simply not in the scope of their bible readings. They arnt going to recognize Solomon's Key, Dante's Inferno, or even "The devil went down to georgia."

[@peterbear4413]

"If Christ came back to Earth today, there is one thing He would not be; a Christian." - Mark Twain. Over 100 years ago and we still have the same problem; people who claim a name and title without understanding a single thing about the lessons being taught.

[@TheRiverweasel09]

Boycotting this show is absolutely fucking ridiculous. The Twitter Mob will never die, but to just follow what they demand is a fallacy. This show had its flaws, but in regards to character background, depth, and progression, I've never seen a show do it better. It broaches very sensitive topics such as alcholism, divorce, sexual abuse, regret, love, forgiveness, and more, and I'm very happy to have kept my Prime membership just long enough to finish the season.

[@sarahfeng]

I so appreciate the joy and amusement in your voice when you talk about Lucifer, he deserves all the love. He's just a goofy lil guy and i adore his characterization to pieces

[@hatsushikun2722]

I'd include "You didn't know" and "Loser, baby" as well but WELL SPOKEN

[@swagskipper]

I love your content SO much!! and I'm so glad that you decided to make a vid about hazbin 🤟🤟 also I didn't expect to hear a piece from the cp2077's soundtrack while you were talking about Charlie and Lucifer's relationship (especially this one haha)

[@swagskipper]

AND 'OUTSIDER NO MORE' WHILE DISCUSSING ANGEL'S STORY BROKE ME

[@sonorasgirl]

I LOVED this show. Yes, it’s not perfect, but you DO get to know and be attached to the characters, and I say this as someone who had no idea about this fandom/idea. I also really like that some of the pacing stuff honestly makes it harder to know some folk’s motivations. Yes, it’d be better to have at least 2 more episodes, but I’m hoping that having it be such a hit will give them more space for more episodes in the next season

[@foozywolf]

anyone else notice the "how is this so good?" matching perfect with vox's mouth movement?? 17:05

[@Scarshadow666]

Love how you've talked about this show's version of Lucifer and the More Than Anything segment (he's one of my favorite characters of the show so far, and the song he sings with Charlie are also one of my personal favorites)! ^^

[@juul-fuul]

I'm not into musicals at all lol but i LOVE hazbin hotel! the music is incredible and the way they use songs to move the story along is fucking masterful I've always loved music in animation, like steven universe and adventure time, but this is on a whole other level

[@BirbCoWHOSTOLEMYNAME]

the 3 songs you chose are like, in my top 5 favorite songs

[@mikedoesntlike3627]

"Outsider no more" music under the "Poison" section was a chef's kiss.

[@nataliemolnar9280]

Hell is Forever getting a reprise AGAINST Adam in the Heaven court episode was one of the coolest moments I’ve seen in any musical, full stop. So well done.

[@reneeangely8446]

Love this video! Thank you for covering this show and your song breakdowns. A lot of times, with Hazbin and Helluva Boss, it’s difficult to know what review videos are positive or negative. Glad to see a positive one for once outside of Saberspark. And thank you for being neutral about the drama that’s been surrounding Viv and her company for years and years. Everything you said about it is true. So thank you. Anyway, this is now one of my favorite shows of all time and I can’t wait for season two!

[@goat.cheese_]

as a theater kid with a not great relationship with Christianity. The show was basically made for me. It has its problems of course but it’s just goddamn enjoyable that I don’t care lol.

[@goonyougoodthing]

Hardy bucks is an example of a show that started off on KZbin and was picked up for television but it isn't really known outside of Ireland.

[@jiggyscribble]

I love seeing people say great things about this show, it’s so refreshing to see considering how many people hate on it because it’s imperfect. It made me cry multiple times (cough cough Poison and More Than Anything) and it was so entertaining to watch.