Rhaenyra Tells Alicent A Son For A Son | House of the Dragon | Max

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[@asadtanoli2.0]

Whats wrong with you guys? Why you made it so boring? Yes, im talking about season 2. Start working on season 3 and release it as soon as possible instead of sharing clips of previous seasons.

[@davidquintero5617]

You think you can make $ by giving us a full season on talking and talking.Didn’t you learn from GOT??

[@StarlingInSpace]

This is cartoonish level writing quality, fire Sara Hess and recast sharako lohar

[@asadtanoli2.0]

Bring a twist in season 3. Make a duel between vermithor and vhagar, which would give goosebumps to the audience. Then let that beast be killed by deamon riding craxes in some other fight

[@ann-ha7]

Was this scene really worthy of ruining Alicent and Aemond's characters and their relationship?

[@user_miike]

daemon mourning jaehaerys more than the boy’s own family is so insane

[@nonono9681]

Only Aegon cried for the boy.

[@mattiknowyourmum7521]

​@@nonono9681and Healena

[@xxwhispersxx2856]

They even made it seem like Aegon was more upset about what Otto said to him about Viserys than he was about his own child.

[@skittez_5510]

@@mattiknowyourmum7521”babes die everyday” helaena?

[@gaiamarano8070]

@@skittez_5510she kills herself bcs her baby died be for real

[@AngieCelestiale89]

"A son for a son" *Jaehaerys left the chat*

[@mauratlantean3002]

Anything to make us forget Blood & Cheese, after having already ruined what was supposed to be one of the greatest and most tragic scenes.

[@Eragon2679]

That was a GRANDson, big difference! *sarcasm off

[@mauratlantean3002]

@@Eragon2679 😂😂😂 That's what the least bloodthirsty Rhaenyra stan would say

[@lenna_9]

Alicent kinda forgot...

[@AngieCelestiale89]

@@lenna_9 RHAENYRA kinda forgot*

[@nikitasingh0412]

Alicent will be so sad when she discovers aegon has escaped because now her crush cannot behead him publicly 😢

[@donrog5035]

😂😂😂😂

[@Carolinaashly]

I feel like rhaenyra and alicent could have been more of Otto wasn’t in the way

[@khfan4life365]

I can’t wait to see the look on her face when she finds out. Almost popcorn-worthy.

[@ann-ha7]

They turned her into a monster who sold her sons (including the youngest who is innocent), brother, lover, father and think this is her liberation and redemption😭

[@Bzijwgvaki]

If rhaenyra don’t kill Alicent after she finds out there is no Aegon to behead I don’t know what to say

[@cndjfndnndn]

Alicent kind of forgot she was the one who put Aegon on the throne against his will

[@GiveonKing]

That’s why I love Otto as a character. He is consistent

[@christinexy2516]

@@GiveonKingexactly. he is ambitious and he has known what he wanted from the beginning. alicent is just a fool

[@fatimasaadeh6518]

​@GiveonKing Is he, though? He went off on Aegon for hanging rat catchers outside the city walls after his son and heir was beheaded in his sleep to send a message because it makes them "look bad", but a few weeks ago he hung nobles outside the castle walls because they refused to defect to the Greens to send a message. Not very consistant there.

[@GiveonKing]

@@fatimasaadeh6518 no one in kings landing cares about nobles to be honest 😂. The citizens care only about them because they don’t have that assurity

[@timothysinger3342]

At least he’s paying the price now that he’s behind bars

[@fayedunaway8]

Alicent agreeing to Aegon's public execution is one of the most insane choices the writers could have made. Considering he is a cripple, a half dead corpse who lost his son and his dragon and he is going through the worst time in his life where he needs her the most and she just gives up on him. Considering when she forced him on the throne he didn't want.

[@Tatopotatoo]

I feel like Alicent inviting her to join her in her lifetime of vacation is insane xD

[@Avalars]

Not only that but she gives up Aemond, Cole, Gwayne and Daeron in the same swing. Does this fool really thinks she calls the shots and that those sworn to the Greens won't fight on in Aemond and Daeron's name?

[@fayedunaway8]

​@@AvalarsHas it crossed Alicent's mind that those sons that came from her.. if there is any meaning to it.. she carried those boys for nine months.. went through the labour.. and I don't care if they are monsters but watching your sons die one by one.. how is she gonna live with that?

[@bluejays25]

I agree but Alicent is being delusional in thinking that Aegon will simply be allowed to live. As long as he is alive, there will always be a challenge. Rhaenyra knows that Aegon has to die to win the war and the Iron Throne and has to effectively force Alicent to agree with her.

[@winterlord9942]

@@Avalars And her father and brother, who was just defending her honor a few scenes ago. Wonderful writing and character development indeed.

[@fernandoromerogalvan]

Aegon: "Hold on, this whole operation was your idea"

[@Regenmacher175]

Sucks to be him.

[@sorensorensen9567]

I hate Aegon but dude was forced to take the throne, was dragged to that coronation kicking and screaming and now his mom who actually planned this coup wants to sell him out? His own freaking mother? That's messed up

[@janellejulianajoy]

Aemond says this! When she blames him for starting the war. Did she or did she not assist her father in usurping Rhaenyra? THAT started the war.

[@nikitasingh0412]

GUYS BABY JAEHAERYS DIED FOR NOTHING. HIS DEATH DOESNT MATTER TO ANYONE

[@Avalars]

Daily reminder the Bracken twink Aeron Bracken cared more about Jaehaerys than Alicent

[@leiana_yt]

& nobody on the show seemed to care about Luke's death either after Jaehaerys died...

[@GiveonKing]

@@leiana_ytrhaenyra and Jace did but others didn’t. Slightly more people cared for rhaenys’s end but rhaena didn’t seem to care

[@nid47]

@@GiveonKing Rhaena continued to not care about her family as she went to go have some adventures in the vale by abandoning her two brothers that were placed in her care

[@fayedunaway8]

The ratcatchers were mentioned more than baby Jaehaerys

[@Yellow-lb1rd]

That was the most absurd scene in the whole series. Alicent was telling Aegon his whole life that he has to be king or Rhaenyra will put him to the sword. She forced the crown on his head when he clearly had no intrest in rulling, and now she sacrificed her son to go camping in the woods with Helaena. They ruined her character and made her a bipolar psychopath

[@MeleysTessarion]

Yes and make Rhaenyra say how history will paint her a villain. What is wrong with these writers. You see this is why writer strikes be happening because when y’all don’t pay them well they do not try 🙄

[@davidmasters8601]

Alot of people know the source material from the books and it feels like it's controversy for the sake of controversy allowing the series to play out as it is - it's stupid, I feel bad for the actors that have to be the face of stupid writing.

[@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess]

Alicent was manipulated too, by Otto and Cole. Alicent only went along with the Greens plans cause she thought Aegon being king is what Viserys wanted. Until she saw her family suffering

[@ann-ha7]

​​@@MeleysTessarion I don't think the writers who think that a woman (who started everything and raised her sons in fear and hate btw) selling her sons, including the youngest who is innocent, brother, lover, father and all their allies to the enemy who will kill them is her redemption and liberation, deserve to be paid tbh

[@MeleysTessarion]

@@ann-ha7 I knowww like you put Aegon through all this and now you’re calling the war “senseless”. It’s as if the writers don’t want this war to seem justified when it’s undoubtedly is. Like this lunatic indirectly caused the death of Rhaenyra’s baby daddy like why would Rhaenyra still have affections for this horrible individual. It just makes the both of them look stupid when people are literally dying for their cause. WOMEN CAN BE CRUEL FFS

[@fayedunaway8]

"i want my mother" (when he is in distress) "Do you love me?" (When they force him to be king) "Mother?" (They wanted Aegon to parade his dead son) "They don't care what i think." (Craving for her mother's approval) "Mummy?" (When he is on the verge of death) I can't believe we had an entire season of Aegon just craving for Alicent's love and attention only for Alicent to agree to have him killed in the end. I can't imagine his reaction to this.

[@J0JOBbdbsbzs6963]

For Hess and Condal, Alicent is a innocent lady that would never contribute on her son's actions, because she's just a victim of Westeros's patriarchy 😭😭

[@nikitasingh0412]

and the show is portraying alicent betrayal as a good thing

[@hopemikaelson9223]

And the mother of the year award goes to... Larys!

[@MariaHossain]

Now I want Aegon to (spoiler about Rhaenyra's ending) and make Alicent watch.

[@btstrasharmyexo-lbaekiesha2776]

@@fayedunaway8 THIS!! This is what hurts me the most, Aegon just wants Alicent’s love and here she goes just sacrificing him after she FORCED him on the throne😭 i’m sorry but i can’t accept this scene’s existence, also the fact that Aegon looks so much like her like HOW could she even ever willingly agree to having her first born child killed?? Absolutely absurd

[@GhostlyFilms136]

"No, still. You defend him" ..... girl.... thats HER SON.

[@captaindesperatehousewife2441]

Rhaenyra holds as much brain cells as her fans, to be honest.

[@cherryfreckle]

The same son she sorta disowned after finding out he r*ped someone though... until she suddenly forgot and had him crowned the following day. Alicent is very much back and forth with her children tbh.

[@captaindesperatehousewife2441]

@@cherryfreckle She crowned him because she thought Viserys wanted him heir + If Rhaenyra became heir, Aegon and her children will be placed to death. Watch the show instead of yapping

[@btstrasharmyexo-lbaekiesha2776]

@@captaindesperatehousewife2441 Lmao i’m a Rhaenyra fan and full on team black but even i can see how absurd this entire scene is, biggest character assassination i have ever seen for Alicent and the most unnecessary and fanservice scene i have ever watched

[@captaindesperatehousewife2441]

@@btstrasharmyexo-lbaekiesha2776 I don't think so. I'm an Alicent fan and I'm very well aware of her the fact that all characters personalities and thinking change, especially during a time where things are escalating very quickly. Alicent fell to an option of choices she never wanted to begin with. Obviously Alicent would never sell out Aegon, but she can't promote a war and have her only innocent daughter and Daeron be part of it. If she told Rhaenyra "No", people would call her out for justifying a war. If she told Rhaenyra "Yes", people would call her out for lack of motherhood she has for her children. Alicent character was always about being obedient to the men around her to earn power and use that power for good. When that power was taken away thanks to her "son" Aemond, she realized there's no way she can influence anybody and the only option left is to simply escape or be dragged into war with her daughter and family. Alicent made the logical choice and I don't think blaming her is what the writers wanted you to do.

[@oppenheimer6321]

"A son for a son" So everyone kind of forgot about Jaeharys?

[@adarnia]

*grandson Luke and Aegon are their sons

[@nid47]

@@adarnia Ohh true that means his death doesn't matter 🤡

[@adarnia]

@@nid47 true nonetheless

[@idgaf2386]

@@adarniamost intelligent team black fanboy

[@veraciao]

​@@adarnia least deranged team black fan

[@donrog5035]

Damn we didn't see this level of character assassination since GOT season 8. 😅

[@adarnia]

toxic complaints 🙄

[@khfan4life365]

@@donrog5035 they Jaime Lannistered Alicent. “I never cared for my sons, innocent or not.”

[@unc54]

@@khfan4life365 At least Jaime you can at least pretend he's fronting when he says that. With Alicent there is no ambiguity.

[@marcelinoalvarado9129]

@@adarnia You call it toxic complaints, we call it media literacy

[@Regenmacher175]

LOL Alicent doesn't think Aegon's a good king and she wants to prevent the deaths of thousands. Her agreeing to Aegon's execution makes a lot of sense if she really prioritises the needs of the many over the needs of the few. Ever since she learned that Viserys had not meant for Aegon to sit the throne it's been increasingly clear that she's been asking herself if all this violence is worth it to keep that incompetent idiot on the throne and it clearly isn't.

[@yasmina3999]

Those women couldn't find a common tongue for 20 years, 10 of which they lived under the same roof. But you want me to believe that after Luke and Jaehaerys's deaths they still crave each other? It's not even about the book, the show isn't consistent with its own canon. This is fanfiction at this point, what a waste of incredible tragedy about siblings fighting eachother.

[@leonardohenrique5172]

Seriously this show could've been so much better ☹️

[@s_shaleh]

Well tbh, their friendship didn't even exist in the first place in the book

[@FraBra88]

@@yasmina3999 agreed

[@idgaf2386]

@@s_shaleh also let’s not forget about the big age gap between them in the books, alicent was already like 17 when rhae was a child less than 10 years old, it makes sense that they didn’t had a “friendship” between them due to that

[@Regenmacher175]

Their friendship on the show changes the dynamics of the characters but it then also makes sense that a lot of scenes in the show will be played differently because the characters are different from the get-go. that's not a bad thing. The Alicent/Rhaenyra dynamic on the show is one of the best changes the show made to those characters tbh. Also, if Alicent now no longer believes in the cause that the Greens fight for, why wouldn't she agree to this if it means avoiding a senseless war?

[@obiwankenobi4252]

Guys, don’t you get it? Blood and Cheese was an allegory for the brutal assassination of Alicent’s character

[@Regenmacher175]

It's not a case of character assassination at all. You just want her to remain loyal to the Greens, even though in the show she has been given plenty of reasons not to be at this point. If Aegon's death prevents the deaths of thousands I believe the version of Alicent we've been shown does agree to Rhaenyra's demands.It's all moot anyway, since Aegon's gone. She just does not know that yet.

[@xxwhispersxx2856]

"You hear that, little boy? Your mama wants you dead." Aegon was Maelor all along.

[@obiwankenobi4252]

@@Regenmacher175 it is a character assassination. This is simply not the Alicent we saw for the better part of Season 1. In S1, she believed that if Rhaenyra took the throne her sons and grandson(s) would be in mortal danger immediately, and this belief has been proven completely correct multiple times, first with the Driftmark incident, then with Blood and Cheese. I’m not mad that Alicent’s characterisation in the show is different than in the book, or that she abandoned TG per se, I’m mad that her character arc makes no sense

[@leonardohenrique5172]

Fanfic level of writing, and asking Rhaenyra to runaway with her was the final straw 🤦‍♀

[@nikitasingh0412]

the worst 🤮

[@btstrasharmyexo-lbaekiesha2776]

As if Rhaenyra would even leave Jace behind for her ugh

[@MariaHossain]

I'm a HotD fanfic writer and these losers have boosted my confidence in writing 😂

[@s.8045]

cry more

[@GiveonKing]

Honestly they forgot rhaenyra and alicent have not been friends for almost 20 years.

[@CrimeaRiver58]

This is the “I never really cared for them, innocent or otherwise” of this show, what a complete joke of a scene.

[@maboh9]

Destroying a character with one single scene wasn't easy but y'all did it congrats 🥳

[@fayedunaway8]

Destroying a character with one line -Jamie Lannister Destroying a character with one scene -alicent hightower

[@hamish_ny]

Alicent: “Come with me!” Rhaenyra: Has a husband, a girlfriend, four sons, two step-daughters and seven dragons to care for…

[@Alexander77781]

and seven kingdoms🥶

[@idgaf2386]

I wouldn’t be surprised if she did, she literally spreads her legs for anyone at this point, at least Daenerys had morals and integrity and that’s why everyone loved her

[@Mystogan17]

9 dragons*

[@s_shaleh]

😂😂

[@r.f.6702]

And yet the writers said Rhaenyra wanted to go 🙄 Do they even know what they're doing with Rhaenyra at this point?

[@neuviotterss]

jaehaerys was the son… wtf

[@Avalars]

They are utterly desperate to make you forget about Jaehaerys.

[@adarnia]

@@Avalars *grandson Luke and Aegon are their sons

[@l.jjawara4463]

@@Avalarsand even luke. Like this is awful and showing people coping from lost. It’s just for one episode I guess and then everyone forgets.

[@Rottensparrow]

terrible writing, I was about to start watching this series but I changed my mind

[@liukin95]

Well... Grandson as far as Alicent is concerned.

[@coleheilgeist]

You guys posting this thinking it’s an achievement in storytelling has actually finally convinced me I will not be returning for next season. Thanks for saving me from disappointment in two years

[@hopemikaelson9223]

Writers better turn this atrocity of a character assassination into a twist next season, because this is NOT Alicent.

[@GiveonKing]

They keep listening to twitter when twitter isn’t what made GOT or the books popular. If they keep the writers, it must be people who understand that unlike Facebook, instagram, TikTok even to some extent KZbin. Twitter has no impact on the real world. It’s not diverse and small and loud so they should ignore or temporarily delete it OR get new writers who understand this already

[@kimmyrusso666]

They already have Aegon was stuck out Kings landing he's not even there to be killed

[@hopemikaelson9223]

@@kimmyrusso666 That doesn't take away from the fact that she's willing to sacrifice her own son to "be free"?! Forget about Aegon, what about Daeron, what about her brother? I guess this franchise just loves out of nowhere "Mad Queens". Except with Daenerys, they didn't try to paint it like it was justified, and here they are straight up insulting our intelligence.

[@franklinmendoza4087]

You don’t get it

[@hopemikaelson9223]

@@franklinmendoza4087 Please, make me see reason.

[@Avalars]

You are now realizing that Blood and Cheese was intentionally butchered and downplayed by Condal and Hess in order to write their gay sapphic fanfiction. Do you really think these nonsensical meetings could have happened if Alicent was gagged and forced to watch Jaehaerys' murder like in the book?

[@raemontargaryen3005]

i know, PS. i didnt know Sara Hess has a wife until i googled her. its all make sense now 😂. its her own headcanon that forced to be fed to us. 😂

[@nikitasingh0412]

Maelor was erased. in book, Helaena was forced to choose between her sons otherwise b&c threatened to r*pe jaehaera. Alicent was bound and gagged. But show watered this down because they can't have people being sympathetic to them

[@leonardohenrique5172]

They really see this as a love story between Rhaenyra and Alicent 😂

[@MeleysTessarion]

@@raemontargaryen3005bruh I’m gay and I woulda make sure these two stay enemies. Like why as a mother would I still love this trifling woman who placed her son on my throne and also have another son who killed my own child. Why would I have fealty towards this person who’s literally hurting my cause and fulfillment of the song of ice and fire. It’s ridiculous.

[@neuviotterss]

@@leonardohenrique5172 even if it started as a love story… it doesn’t make any sense for them to hold love, respect and most importantly trust (bc why r u guys sneaking into each other’s territories while there’s a war going on💀) for each other, it’s just not realistic and it frustrates me bc that’s what’s killing this show, u mean to tell me lucerys and jaehaerys’ deaths don’t matter?? the king sent an assassin to kill rhaenyra the day before she snuck on kl and she doesn’t say anything, rhaenys’ death doesn’t bother rhaenyra and she isn’t pissed at the greens for parading a dragon’s head to the smallfolk, alicent just giving up on her sons is just so ??? this is clearly so inconsistent w her character, that’s why she wore the green dress at rhaenyra’s wedding, she started the green faction… bc she didn’t want her children’s deaths

[@arobin6695]

this is as stupid as if theon greyjoy snuck into robb's camp to secretly meet with robb after he had taken winterfell and burned the boys and then robb lets him leave because they were 'like brothers' once.

[@nid47]

But not before Theon asks Robb to run away with him to essos

[@nikitasingh0412]

@@arobin6695 exactly 😂

[@l.jjawara4463]

Or as if Cateyln Stark would sneak and meet with Cersei.

[@WarKrieg]

​@@l.jjawara4463Cat and Cersei weren't childhood friends so no, you completely missed the point of the Robb/Theon analogy.

[@parkernisbett]

robb probably would do that lmfao

[@nikitasingh0412]

HOTD message is clear.. Women = peaceful = dont want war even at the cost of their son/grandson Men = evil = war hungry I miss the ruthless ambitious morally grey women characters in GOT.

[@LetsGetitBoah]

The writers clearly haven’t read history books, because women rulers of ancient past, were some of the most vicious war mongering tyrants of all time.

[@LetsGetitBoah]

Also, the writing makes the women look really stupid. For instance, the son for a son has already happened. Rhaenyra should know this. Alicent even going to her in the first place is stupid. She’s basically putting all her family to death.

[@GiveonKing]

Exactly. I ended up not liking dany but Arya and Cersei were so fun to watch same with Melisandre, Margery and Olenna

[@mattcollins3591]

This.

[@abhijeetgupta23]

Forced Girlbossism has ruined GOT franchise. It started when Dany and Missandei said "Valar Dhoaeris. All men must die. But we are not men". Strong Female characters like Arya and Cersei are always welcome, but why do they need to force Girlboss and LGBTQ for no reason (Renly - Loras and Dany - Handmaiden were key to the plot atleast. RhaeMysaria was irrelevant)

[@plumbussmith]

They are trying way too hard to make both of these women look good and justified in every action. They, are more ruthless and smarter in the book. They have more agency in their own story.

[@idgaf2386]

Literally, acting as if Cersei didn’t got many fans despite the fact that her character was “evil” she was still way better written that this two😭

[@ann-ha7]

They ruined Aemond's character for this scene, he wasn't hated by his family in the book and he only started burning settlements after losing KL, he wanted to lure Rhaenyra's dragons from the capital

[@ann-ha7]

They ruined Aemond's character for this scene, he wasn't hated by his family in the book and he only started burning settlements after losing KL, he wanted to lure Rhaenyra's dragons from the capital

[@Little_Vampiregirl]

It's kinda funny how they underrestimate the fans. I got the impression that they think us fans want it that way, one dimensional, plain and predictable. Didn't they realize that GoT was so successful because of the damn good writing of GRRM? Grey moral, complex characters. Mostly unpredictable events. Witty, unique dialogues. No or at least very few illogical mistakes. It felt so authentic, organic and like a journey you desperately wanted to be a part of. I hang on every word that were spoken in GoT and didn't want to miss one moment, no matter how calm and unspectacular it seemed at first. HotD will never reach that level and get that many people emotionally invested. I wish they would've hired a different showrunner and writers.

[@cherryfreckle]

Probably worried viewers won't like the characters as much. Let's be real, female morally grey characters unfortunately don't get the same love as male morally grey characters. The writers are probably well aware of this so most likely tamed that to ensure viewers would like them and keep tuning in.

[@warhammer2687]

Rhaenyra had kind of forgotten about Jaeherys' death.

[@DAFR2849]

Why should she care? Jaehaerys was part of the collateral she didn’t even know about.

[@nid47]

@@DAFR2849 Because she is asking a son for a son after indirectly causing Alicent's grandsons death. Her side, whether intentional or not already took a head and now she wants more blood. Alicent, in complete contradiction of her character somehow agrees to her son's beheading and in the same conversation asks to run away with Rhaenyra to essos. Literal fanfiction.

[@janellejulianajoy]

@@DAFR2849 Rhaenyra was visibly upset when she learned what happened. This is just....weird.

[@CarlottaR-c1c]

Wow, I can't believe that anyone thought that this scene made sense in any way. Season one Alicent is like a totally different character. Can't believe the writers betrayed the character in this way. Where is the protective, maternal Alicent from season one, who wanted justice for her child after his eye was put out? This messed up version of Alicent is offering her entire family up as a sacrifice to be slaughtered. And puts whatever fanfiction type ''feelings'' the showrunners believe Alicent had for Rhaenyra above maternal instinct and love.

[@Mephistobr]

Bold of Max to release this clip.

[@leonardohenrique5172]

They really want those views, even if the response is negative 🤦

[@user-vj6ws1op4u]

they still haven't released the GOT season 8 episode 6 behind the episode lmfaaaooo

[@Inigo90ful]

This is basically fan fiction at this point Not only book Alicent wouldn't ever agree to this, season 1 Alicent as well

[@jetmistress8301]

the finale was disappointing, yes but to say this as if people dont change is crazy. She literally told Rhaenyra that she was wrong and she has come to this conclusion based on the series of events she has experienced. She even hesitates in agreeing that Aegon should be killed but Alicent has changed from Season 1, WAR does that to people.... No one person is a monolith and instead of looking at it realistically you chose to bash the writers instead (yes they should be bashed but not for this lmao)

[@Inigo90ful]

@@jetmistress8301 If Alicent agrees to both Aemond and Aegon being killed, then she is not Alicent. Period This is an adaptation, it's not a new story. I don't spoil anything but book Alicent would never, ever do this

[@Tatopotatoo]

@@Inigo90ful she's going to advocate for the daughter she knows won't self destruct.

[@Xbitrate]

Sure, because Fire and Blood made such a great work fleshing out every character in such detail that we are absolutely SURE that Alicent would never do this...

[@Inigo90ful]

@@Xbitrate Do I have to post the exact quote from the book in which she LITERALLY states the opposite of this? I don't want to spoil it for non book readers, but...

[@abhijeetgupta23]

Alicent gets the award of WMOAT - Worst Mother Of All Time. She got Aegon to destroy his relationship with Rhae's kids, forced him into becoming a King against his wishes, then tells him he sucks when he asked for her advice for becoming a good King. She never comforted Aegon after he lost his child, and also when he is crippled. And now, she is ready to kill him. Cersei might be evil, but she will never sacrifice her children.

[@attackfox]

Imagine being worse than cersei

[@xxwhispersxx2856]

​@@attackfoxcersei was ready to die with Tommen when the Battle of BW was going on, she was all ready to poison him and herself so they wouldn't be captured and killed.

[@benbarberian1701]

God save the book Alicent from show runners.

[@fireandblood2919]

@@benbarberian1701book alicent does absolutely nothing but play babysitter after B&C before being locked in a cell. What does she do so differently compared to the book at this point? Rhaenyra will definitely end up putting her in chains once she takes kl and learns Aegon has fled. Will look too much like Alicent giving a Aegon a heads up that Rhaeyna is coming for his head. Also, both her sons abandoned Alicent and Helanna in Kl leaving the city defenseless against dragons.

[@benbarberian1701]

@@fireandblood2919 oh yeah what does Alicent do so extraordinary in show, she walks right in to the lion's mouth like an absolute fool, if I was Rhaeneyra I would capture her immediately to bring those rogue sons of her to heel.

[@GoblinFootball13]

Comparing Alicent to Cersei is a huge insult towards Cersei. At least she loved her children and was ready to do anything for them. Alicent was kinda similar in S1. But man they have destroyed her character reducing her to Rhaenyra's simping sidekick. It's a shame that the writers are so biased towards 'ma queen Rhae'. This could be such a great show 😢

[@janellejulianajoy]

Thank you. For me, NO female character quite compares to her.

[@oothoon]

"You hear that little boy, your momma wants you dead" Did they turn Rhaenyra into Blood and Cheese? Lol

[@Archangel8424]

Bros, this scene is nothing to proud of. Rather release the Criston one and just pretend this never happened going into next season (and maybe also get new showrunners).

[@jenlisane]

did they just forget about jahaerys? aegon and haelena’s SON!!?? also whatever happened to driftmark alicent saying an eye for an eye lol

[@nikitasingh0412]

they want everyone to forget about this baby

[@dom9041543]

It was hard to care cause aegon was the only one who cried or mourned him. Alicent literally said “ what happened to jahererys sucks but he dead I only care about my daughter” paraphrasing ofcoarse but literally the essence of what she meant.

[@KinstaKalat]

In "forgetting" Jahaerys, Rhaenyra washes her hands off of the act (which isnt her doing anyway). So when she requests a son for a son, it means the debt hasnt been paid to her yet. At least that's how I interpreted it the first time. In saying "a son for a son", she removes accountability for what happened to jahaerys and requests the debt be paid/justice still be served.

[@jenlisane]

@@KinstaKalat so she wants alicent to pay for aemond’s act? also in the show didn’t aemond try to stop vhagar from attacking arrax and luce? this is just stupid writing that is totally biased towards the blacks and you can’t even deny it

[@jenlisane]

@@dom9041543 honestly at that point aegon was the most interesting character

[@vipersb1]

Rhaenera and Alicent forgot about Jaehaerys faster than Dani forgot about the Iron Fleet.

[@AliONeal]

Rhaenyra didn't forget she just doesn't care and why would she 🤷‍♀ If she can kill every single member of Team Green she won't hesitate, luckily for her Alicent doesn't care enough to stop her

[@Pigruli]

This finale gave me GOT season 8 PTSD

[@malvaroyou]

Alicent and Rhaenyra's friendship was broken in episode 5 of season 1 when they where still teenagers. 20 years later they are both in opposite sides of a civil war (which they helped create), Alicent's son killed Rhaenyra's son (eaten by a dragon no less) and Rhaenyra's husband order the death of Alicent's grandson by decapitation. Alicent agrees to the death of her other son who wanted nothing to do with this but she forced into take the crown, also putting the lives of her other innocent kids, her brother, her father and her lover at serious risk. 'Come with me' she says to Rhaenyra. HBO should force the showrunner and writers of the show to stop with the fanfiction level writing and have some respect for the audience.

[@kirak1561]

Alicent went full psycho. Betraying her entire family for a childhood friend she hated most of her life. Have writers forgotten their own writing?

[@ART3MIS_1904]

She never hates Rhaenyra.

[@signe-o3f]

@@ART3MIS_1904 Watch episodes 1.6 and 1.7 again.

[@mayolivia1403]

​@@ART3MIS_1904😂😂 🤨 episode 6,7,8,9 season 1.

[@keinyihernandez]

@@ART3MIS_1904 Alicent tried to kill rhaenyra hahahhahaha

[@hannahshaw6015]

She sees that her own sons are evil and going to send thousands of common people to death. She chooses peace over her family’s success. It’s great writing

[@masterplokoon8803]

This scene is so bad that it's the equivalent of Catelyn sneaking into King's Landing to meet Cersei and then offering Robb's life in exchange for Sansa being spared. And then going on to meet Tywin to help him orchestrate the Red Wedding as part of the deal.

[@thlee3]

Surprised writers didn't make them makeout

[@oothoon]

That's for Season 3

[@Ivbo]

I hope they realise, that trying to force these two into having scenes together post Luke & Jaehaerys’ deaths, has made for some of the worst scenes in this whole franchise. The entire plot line of these two being friendly during this war needs to be dropped next season, this is quite literally doing irreversible damage to the characters and story.

[@TSEliot1978]

Why can't the writers just follow the damn source material? This whole scene is ridicolous...

[@kenmasters1803]

Now GRRMs notablog rant about Hollywood hacks ruining adaptations by trying to one up the source material makes a whole lot of sense.

[@amorojaz27]

The source material is overrated anyway.

[@r.f.6702]

Sara Hess is unfortunately treating the show like a self-insert fanfic--no matter how little sense it makes, no matter how much damage it's doing to the narrative and the characters themselves--and Ryan Condal is facilitating it. Fire and Blood is the story of the Targaryen dynasty tearing itself apart and taking Westeros along with it. It is NOT a tale of sapphic love that just won't die even though it was barely hinted at on screen in the first place. Rhaenyra is being made absurd with like three love interests at a time and Alicent is just scraping the bottom of the characterization barrel at this point, walking around like she's in a Dior commercial and selling out her kids. The writers room needs an exorcism.

[@benbarberian1701]

Fire sarah hess the woke queen

[@benbarberian1701]

Upon seeing that resistance was hopeless, the Dowager Queen Alicent emerged from Maegor’s Holdfast with her father, Ser Otto Hightower; Ser Tyland Lannister; and Lord Jasper Wylde the Ironrod (Lord Larys Strong was not with them. The master of whisperers had somehow contrived to disappear). Septon Eustace, a witness to what followed, tells us that Queen Alicent attempted to treat with her stepdaughter. “Let us together summon a great council, as the Old King did in days of old,” said the Dowager Queen, “and lay the matter of succession before the lords of the realm.” But Queen Rhaenyra rejected the proposal with scorn. “Do you mistake me for Mushroom?” she asked. “We both know how this council would rule.” Then she bade her stepmother choose: yield or burn. Bowing her head in defeat, Queen Alicent surrendered the keys to the castle and ordered her knights and men-at-arms to lay down their swords. “The city is yours, Princess,” she is reported to have said, “but you will not hold it long. The rats play when the cat is gone, but my son Aemond will return with fire and blood.” That's the real Alicent, dear HBO, please fire your woke writers and show runners, or your production house will go in rot.

[@fatimasaadeh6518]

This comment is perfect 😂

[@lalalallalalaala]

Book Alicent deserved better writers

[@TJ-fe7rr]

You don't even know who book alicent even is.

[@guerreiroazul3230]

​@@TJ-fe7rrwe do, we have read the book

[@TJ-fe7rr]

@@guerreiroazul3230 if you've read the book you would know that Fire and Blood is not fact, only other people's perspective. (Not Alicent's or Rhaenyra's btw) So you obviously haven't read the book.

[@guerreiroazul3230]

@@TJ-fe7rr and these multiple different perspectives wouldn't include people who didn't exist like Nettles and Maelor, how would Mushroom and Barth have conveniently made those people up when they have completely different agendas?

[@TJ-fe7rr]

@@guerreiroazul3230 I don't know. But a wise man once said "You should never believe a thing, simply because you want to believe it." 😉

[@gabelederer6353]

Lol this is fanfiction level writing. Let's just forget about Jaehaerys because obviously the showrunners did.

[@MarkusBartus]

Oh really? Really? Sarah Hess should not write any scene ever again if she cannot even remember that son for a son dept was already paid in first episode.

[@hopemikaelson9223]

Why have Alicent embrace her son and choose to fight for him against all odds, when you can have her run to her teenage crush and plead for mercy? *Slow clap*

[@benbarberian1701]

It gladdens my heart that some of us have some braincells still left to us.

[@Regenmacher175]

A) she might no longer think the Greens can win, B) she doesn't think Aegon's a good king, C) she no longer thinks he should have been crowned king in the first place and D) it's better that Aegon dies instead of thousands of innocents. That's why.

[@benbarberian1701]

@@Regenmacher175 None of the above ;)

[@Regenmacher175]

@@benbarberian1701 And you made no counterargument so I take it you have none.

[@benbarberian1701]

@@Regenmacher175 Upon seeing that resistance was hopeless, the Dowager Queen Alicent emerged from Maegor’s Holdfast with her father, Ser Otto Hightower; Ser Tyland Lannister; and Lord Jasper Wylde the Ironrod (Lord Larys Strong was not with them. The master of whisperers had somehow contrived to disappear). Septon Eustace, a witness to what followed, tells us that Queen Alicent attempted to treat with her stepdaughter. “Let us together summon a great council, as the Old King did in days of old,” said the Dowager Queen, “and lay the matter of succession before the lords of the realm.” But Queen Rhaenyra rejected the proposal with scorn. “Do you mistake me for Mushroom?” she asked. “We both know how this council would rule.” Then she bade her stepmother choose: yield or burn. Bowing her head in defeat, Queen Alicent surrendered the keys to the castle and ordered her knights and men - at - arms to lay down their swords. “The city is yours, Princess,” she is reported to have said, “but you will not hold it long. The rats play when the cat is gone, but my son Aemond will return with fire and blood.” That's the real Queen Alicent, you slobbering f00l !!

[@deanconditioned503]

Team black or team green you know this is NOT alicent .

[@BaruchTran]

Always she . Dramatic and irreponsibility

[@Yellow-lb1rd]

Unless they wanted us to see her as bipolar psycho, but something tells me they want us to cheer for her, sacrificing her son for highschool crush

[@BValk]

Have we not watched her come to her senses this season or am I just crazy

[@aayaathussain8595]

@@BValkComing to her senses and putting her entire family to the sword? Betraying them ALL? If she was so righteous, she would openly tell her family that she made a mistake in raising her kids and misunderstood Viserys’ dying words. She would be willing to die honorably instead of signing off the murder of her father, brother, lover and three sons who undoubtedly love her a lot. She plans to go skip around in the forest breathing fresh air and legitimately saying she would be HAPPY, KNOWING SHE MURDERED EVERYONE SHE EVER LOVED OR HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH! That’s insane. It’s indefensible.

[@rojayreid908]

Nor Rhaenyra

[@GiveonKing]

Telling rhaenyra to run away with her is WILD just like that mysaria scene, such a twitter audience focused show. also you guys forget before the viserys mistake she wanted aegon to be king. also rhaena only scowling and running each 5 seconds was doing too much

[@user-ti5cw1ug6l]

Damn she really abandoned her son who she put on the throne and who actually listens to her all because it looks like he's gonna lose and forgot that her grandson got absolutely murked. So happy Aegon ditched her.

[@aicha_07]

Taking away daemon plan and giving it to alicent Making alicent give up her children Rhaenyra saying a son for a son The writers trying to shove their ship down our throat Can they focus on adapting the book we don't want their cheap wattpad fan fiction

[@magnes1410]

Their friendship/crush ended 20 years ago and lasted around a year or two (when they were likely between 12-14 years old). They were friends for around 5-6 years (I'm guessing Alicent arrived in King's Landing at 9). After that, Alicent was usurping Rhaenyra and plotting to kill her and her children. Two kids are dead, so how on Earth would they have any warm feelings about each other? About some childish plays or sharing their teenage dreams? It's a plain stupid plot that is destroying both characters. There are a lot of much better fanfictions out there than HOTD S2.

[@hanyu_dada]

they are 15 in the first episode

[@FromNaboo]

You write like you don't know women at all.

[@magnes1410]

​@@FromNaboo I know them quite well. I see one every morning when I'm looking in the mirror. You didn’t even address what you disagree with.

[@magnes1410]

@@hanyu_dada I was talking about their friendship that started when they were younger. Rhaenyra is likely 14 in episode 1.

[@nonono9681]

Did they even read the book? A SON FOR A SON. Lucerys = "Rhaenyras pretender to the throne" son. VS Jaehaerys = "Aegon II pretender to the throne" son.

[@ellie6]

“YOU ARE THE CHALLENGE AEGON SIMPLY BY LIVING AND BREATHING” -Alicent in season 1 Alicent in season 2 when rhaenyra says she has to behead aegon for all to see: 😟

[@daamm5460]

Stupid writing, reminds me of GOT s08

[@Avalars]

Alicent died in 1x08. She was replaced by the Sara Hess sapphic fanfiction character.

[@Orikon25]

Congratulations, you parroted some braindead comment you saw on reddit. I'm sure you feel smart. Except you missed Alicent accepting Rhaenyra as Queen in Episode 8, her constantly arguing for peaceful solutions and avoidance of bloodshed in Episodes 9 and 10, her using the misinterpretation of Viserys' last words as a source of moral comfort, self-delusion, cope, and justification for supporting Aegon, and her Season 2 arc where - despite her best efforts to temper her sons' anger - she sees things spiraling out of control and grows progressively disillusioned with everyone and everything, culminating in her suicide ideation at the lake, and finally giving up all responsibility in the finale and giving Rhaenyra the option to win the war. I hope Ryan and Co stay as far away from the internet, otherwise brainrotted zoomers like you will influence S3 writing. Last time writers let the internet idiots influence their opinion, we got S6-8 of GoT.

[@idgaf2386]

W pfp btw

[@idgaf2386]

Season 1 alicent was a cool asf, even if she was obviously morally grey. I was starting to feel like we were going to have another Cersei until they did this to her.

[@khfan4life365]

You know what else is a choice. Rhaenyra looking Alicent Hightower in the face and saying “still you imagine you can have all you want”. The same Alicent who had to surrender her body, her autonomy, her future, her dreams. The same Alicent who got eaten up by the crown and spat back out after having 4 kids in 5 years, and got shown time and time again by Viserys/House Targaryen at large that none of those sacrifices mattered. Alicent isn't the one who spent the last 20 years doing what she wanted, getting all she wanted, and facing no consequences. Like she demonstrably isn't.

[@riseup8648]

Oh man, right? that was so hypocritical

[@btstrasharmyexo-lbaekiesha2776]

@@khfan4life365 She’s talking about having to lose her son, in terms of that, to Rhaenyra, Alicent hasn’t sacrificed as much as she as,

[@khfan4life365]

@@btstrasharmyexo-lbaekiesha2776 the son for a son has already been paid with Jaehaerys. Rhaenyra’s just being cruel, wanting the heads of all of Alicent’s sons (and male family members) to solidify her already shaky claim. Alicent shouldn’t have went to her at all. She should have gone to Oldtown where Daeron was to spring Helaena and Jaehaera.

[@andrewramirez3998]

@@khfan4life365it’s not a shaky claim, Rhaenyra was always the rightful heir whether you want to believe it or not. That’s who Viserys chose, not Aegon

[@tbird4u1]

@@khfan4life365 No its not. Is Jaehaerys alicents son?

[@user_miike]

instead of otto losing his head during the fall of KL it needs to be alicent cause wtf is this. not only did she sell out 2/3 of her sons, her brother, former lover but now jaehaerys’ death is meaningless.

[@sushmitaraodesaraju6330]

Well by going to Rhaenyra she's selling out Daeron too. After Aegon and Aemond are gone, the claim passes to Daeron, and the Green armies will keep fighting in his name. So to have peace Rhaenyra will have to take his head too.

[@arobin6695]

i cant believe i waited 2 years for this season and i got this

[@sorrybutiamkyrylo]

I`m from Ukraine and I was so happy that I`ve managed to live long enough to the S2. And we`ve got this. Damn, most likely I`m not gonna make it to watch the next season.. but with this writing mb this is for the best? :D

[@GiveonKing]

Hey at least I was heavily distracted during the wait so it doesn’t really hurt

[@pacliveson123]

@@sorrybutiamkyryloI pray that you make it god bless

[@shubhamozha6702]

The worst possible season. The editing is the reason they kept cutting the scenes too quickly!

[@PoopMiumiu-rt2yj]

Wdym this season is soooo good, especially this scene, Alicent asks rhaenyra to run away like how rhaenyra asked for them to fly away when they were younger

[@khfan4life365]

It's one thing to betray Aegon and Aemond (which I still hate, book Alicent would never), but Daeron and Gwayne? What has Gwayne ever done to her? She gave away Gwayne and Criston's location and plans. They're now sitting ducks. And poor Daeron is marching to King's Landing with a baby dragon only to get jumped.

[@theindiancop]

This was the most bizarre writing choice I have seen a writer make. 'A son for a son', mf did you forget about Jahaerys?? Alicent has been ruined, she is a traitor, agreed for the death of her sons when they didn't want the throne in the first place. She is running from a war that she started. Not even Cersei would sell her children off like this.

[@keinyihernandez]

Cersei would die for her children first and is them against the entire world, i can respect that but this bi.tch Alicent is crazy

[@epsilongamma2758]

Oh wow, they really want us to believe, that there was a fRiEnDsHiP between two teens that survived 20 years of betrayals, abuse, maiming, more betrayals, physical attacks, rumors threatening execution, conspiracies, lies, mutual humiliation, murder of 2 children, maiming again. 20 years. Non-stop. And then like "giiiiiirl, my love for you is still alive!", "exactly, giiiiirl, mine too!", "survived better than your son, giiirl!", "yes, giiirl, and is harder to cut than Jaehaerys' head", "oh, stop it, you, actually had to hire cleaning company to clean everything, but I don't mind anything for you, no money, no grandson, giiiirl"

[@benbarberian1701]

Upon seeing that resistance was hopeless, the Dowager Queen Alicent emerged from Maegor’s Holdfast with her father, Ser Otto Hightower; Ser Tyland Lannister; and Lord Jasper Wylde the Ironrod (Lord Larys Strong was not with them. The master of whisperers had somehow contrived to disappear). Septon Eustace, a witness to what followed, tells us that Queen Alicent attempted to treat with her stepdaughter. “Let us together summon a great council, as the Old King did in days of old,” said the Dowager Queen, “and lay the matter of succession before the lords of the realm.” But Queen Rhaenyra rejected the proposal with scorn. “Do you mistake me for Mushroom?” she asked. “We both know how this council would rule.” Then she bade her stepmother choose: yield or burn. Bowing her head in defeat, Queen Alicent surrendered the keys to the castle and ordered her knights and men-at-arms to lay down their swords. “The city is yours, Princess,” she is reported to have said, “but you will not hold it long. The rats play when the cat is gone, but my son Aemond will return with fire and blood.” That's the real Alicent, dear HBO, please fire your woke writers and show runners, or your production house will go in rot.

[@Aqquila89]

Team Green doesn't even exist anymore. Aemond burns Aegon, Heleana refuses to do anything, Criston just wants to die and Alicent betrays everyone. How can we have a civil war when the Greens won't support their own cause?

[@Lestrangest]

its almost like their cause never existed to begin with, aegon never wanted the throne, none of them signed up for any of this except Otto, he's at fault for literally everything

[@philhelm1318]

King Aegon II will have to carry the weight, along with the weight of his dragon-sized balls.

[@janellejulianajoy]

I remember Bethany Antonia (Baela) saying that the Green's didn't like each other before the show aired...I thought she was playing. She wasn't.

[@annie-sc]

Alicent adamantly put Aegon in this position and now she decides to throw him under the bus. Tf. All she did in S2 was to run away from the problems she caused. She knows she created 2 monsters, and now they're losing the war she started she just leaves them. Real Alicent would die with and for her children

[@fayedunaway8]

I can't believe she didn't even defend him. She FORCED THIS ON HIM.

[@Onewinged6]

As unfortunate as it is rhaenyra has no choice but to put him and aemond to the sword. It's Otto and alicent's fault for sure but there's no stopping it. If rhaenyra were to let aegon and aemond live there will always be opposition in the realm and it remains divided. Rhaenyras hand is forced the moment they crowned aegon king instead of her. She might have been able to send him to the wall before blood was shed. But now you have armies on the march, children have died, dragons have been slain, castles have been sacked and torched. If it were jahaerys in rhaenyras position he would do the same, and probably would have executed alicent and otto aswell.

[@Yellow-lb1rd]

@@Onewinged6 I think we all understand Rhaenyra motivation, its Alicent actions that are unexplainable, she sacrificed the son she forced on the throne and convinced Rheanyra will have his head if she becomes the queen

[@xxwhispersxx2856]

​@@Onewinged6Daeron would have to die too and Jaehaera would be given to the faith because she'd still be ahead of Rhaenyra in line because she's Aegon's daughter.

[@sdmgeral]

Ryan and Sara should get fired for this crime, this script doesn’t have sense, not even related with season 1 character development

[@angryyoungman66]

Before watching this season , I saw Ewan mitchell the actor of Aemond being asked who would you rather to be your mother , Rheanyra or Alicent , he chose Rheanyra I was confused I mean as team green we should stand for each other , but now I get why Alicent is the worst mother ever specifically to Aegon & Aemond , and now look she gives his life up just like this , where is the heart of the mother and her child ? Even animals love their babies and protect them

[@snugsmchuggsly5449]

Seeing this clip get ratiod' into oblivion does make me giggle. God that conversation made my i.q. drop 5 points trying to comprehend how it even got in.

[@GiveonKing]

Alicent can not and should not love rhaenyra more than her children. She picked on rhaenyra for over a decade and they haven’t been friends for so long. Resentment and paranoia ruined it plus rhaenyra’s recklessness and lies. They are not friends anymore

[@danika9411]

The worst part is not even the friendship. But that everything else was sacrificed for THIS? Seriously? The greens have such an interesting dynamic. We should have gotten scenes between them much more. Imagine we had several scenes between Aegon, Helaena and Aemond, where we can truly see their interactions. Because Spoiler! This was it. They all go separate ways and will die without seeing each other again. There will be no more chances to see them together. That was really all there will be. They sacrificed complex family dynamics for illogical friendship fanfiction. I'm so disappointed, I don't even want to watch season 3 anymore.

[@vivekanamuye1805]

And that is why I cryyyyyyyy. This is all terrible and that was the last time they'de ever see each other

[@dudnika-anti]

is alicent schizophrenic? because this is honestly the only plausible explanation for how inconsistent and contradictory her behavior has been throughout the show.

[@raemontargaryen3005]

from “where is duty? where is sacrifice?” “exhausting wasnt it ? hiding beneath a cloak of your righteousness ” to this. (facepalm) . they put conflict when its not actually there (aemond aegon) and make the actual conflict from the book like this. 😂😂😂. but thankyou for this season, i dont have to feel bad for waiting 2 years for season 3. cuz i could care less now.

[@eleonora1333]

This is exactly how I feel, I'm not even remotely invested in further seasons, probably just gonna watch Aegon's scenepacks because TGC's a gem and honestly the only redeeming thing about this season.

[@GiveonKing]

I genuinely didn’t mind the aegon vs Aemond conflict. It never made sense why he only hated the strong boys but not his brother

[@raemontargaryen3005]

@@GiveonKing hating is one thing bro. but roasting your brother (literally) for roasting you as a kid (figuratively) is next level insanity 😂😂😂😂

[@GiveonKing]

@@raemontargaryen3005 he did it cause of the brother making fun of him at that place where Aemond was with that older woman. he has also resented his brother for giving what he worked so hard for… plus aegon isn’t really a good person but he didn’t ask for any of this and Aemond has gone too far

[@none9430]

​And before that Aemond expressed regret about killing Luke, who took his eye and smirked at him years after... Make it make sense! Aegon defended him from Otto and Ali (offscreen), invited him to the small council, gave him real power.​@@raemontargaryen3005

[@Idiodyssey87]

When Alicent Hightower makes Cersei Lannister look like a better mother by comparison, you know the writers are high of the smell of their own farts.

[@bmabs35]

These writers could turn Maegor into a pious septon given their way. Good grief.

[@masterplokoon8803]

@@bmabs35 " I never really cared about power... all I ever cared was about the preservation of the sanctity of the faith, monogamy in the Seven Kingdoms and in being a loyal servant to my dear nephew Aegon"- Ryan Condal's Maegor

[@nelsonmcduff5218]

This scene was straight out of a daytime soap. How utterly embarrassing for a show with a massive budget.

[@dudnika-anti]

at least daytime soaps are entertainingly cheesy and melodramatic. this isn't even that. this is just sad.

[@khfan4life365]

Soaps are entertaining in that train wreck sort of way. This is just pathetic bs.

[@nelsonmcduff5218]

@@khfan4life365 True. When you tune into a soap, at least you're prepared for the silliness. You don't expect it in a show with this kind of budget.

[@khfan4life365]

@@nelsonmcduff5218 this show is also worse than a soap because at least soaps are their own things with their own stories. HBO took someone else’s story and made it into this. They essentially made onscreen fanfiction. You can’t even tie this show to GOT because of how nonsensical it is and how it doesn’t match GOT’s own history.

[@Meme-jo7uj]

Who in their right mind would trust someone who would offer up their entire family without any protest?

[@esnoob2282]

the writers seem to forget that Alicent is reason why aegon is in the iron throne. Did they also forget how protective Alicent to her sons? in season one she’s ready to hurt the blacks after that injuries aemond get. Did the writers forget that in line of succession if you kill aegon aemond and daeron is next in the throne? Gosh the writers turns it into Netflix version of woke fantasy. I got a feeling that this is a Season 7 writing a more spectacle than creating better story

[@r3miPL]

Rhaenyra kinda forgot that her son was already avenged lmfao.

[@adarnia]

*grandson Luke and Aegon are their sons

[@r3miPL]

@@adarnia Dosen't really matter. The kid in S02E01 was killed for Luke's murder. So that's both Rhaenyra's stupidity and the writers lazyness.

[@adarnia]

@@r3miPL and we're all glad you're not a writer. 👏👏👏

[@r3miPL]

@@adarnia Aside from the fact that you're defending the most useless character in S2 who's done next to nothing to sympathize with her - I hate to break it to you but you're just one person. Personality disorder can be treated. Fingers crossed!

[@adarnia]

@r3miPL They're fictional characters. Calm down. Don't cry

[@Napkinatorz]

Alicent in S1: Rhaenyra flaunts her bastards as an affront to the realm and jeopardizes my family’s safety Alicent in S2: oopsie actually, my family deserves to die and I love Rhaenyra 🤭

[@niteshmurti]

'Tis the Song of Ice and Fire

[@KhaliqahAzima]

The Conqueror's dream

[@Idiodyssey87]

Alicent in S1: "Ser Criston, give me Lucerys' eye as payment for Aemond's." Alicent in the books: "The rats play when the cat is gone, but my son Aemond will return with fire and blood." Blatant character assassination by hack writers.

[@fayedunaway8]

Jaehaerys the forgotten "why must i suffer?"

[@HB-ey2dk]

If this were early GOT level of intricacies, this would be an ultimate set up. I have a hard time believing Alicent would really sell her son out like that. Surely she must know that Rhaenyra would basically have to kill all of Alicents kids, right?

[@pumkinsky]

Change the writing team ASAP. Alicent in S1E01-9 and S2E01-8 feels like two different people.

[@parkernisbett]

its called development

[@xxwhispersxx2856]

​@@parkernisbettit's called bad writing. Development is where these ideas are introduced far ahead of time, like season 1, and we see the breakdowns of the relationships. We do go from Alicent throwing herself in front of a dragon and saying how sorry she is to Aegon's mutilated body, to her offering his head. That is bad writing. Stop defending it because you're either an Alicent hater or a Rhaenicent shipper.

[@clarinha3806]

not even the last season of GOT was that bad 😭

[@FraBra88]

Who is worst, a woman ready to kill his own son, or a woman who convinces a woman to kill his own son?

[@Yellow-lb1rd]

Definitely Alicent is much worse sacrificing everyone but herself to fix her mistakes

[@nikitasingh0412]

woman who is ready to sacrifice her son + betray her entire family

[@Argos-xb8ek]

And Alicent is the reason Aegon is in this situation to begin with. He just wanted to he free from rule. Instead his mother and Grandfather used him to fight their war and he lost his son and became a disfigured Cripple.

[@asdasd-zh1kl]

Not only did she give her son's life, she literally threw everyone under the bus except Helaena and granddaughter. So that she could be "free" and get away with it. I couldn't understand how the writers expected us to feel sorry for her and empathize. This is the biggest character assassination I've ever seen.

[@Argos-xb8ek]

@@asdasd-zh1kl Exactly amd even with their stupid plot point. I thought by episode three when Alicent and Rhaenyra had their sit-down there it would've been spelled out that they've crossed the point of no return too many people have already died two kids on both sides and I get annoyed with how nobody mentions that Lord Caskwell and all the other lady's and lords that Otto and Larys killed for being loyal to Rhaenyra are just forgotten like at that point not only did Otto and the green faction murder nobles for their cause but Rhaenyra had people lay down their lives for her right to rule and to turn her back to that would be a spit to the face for all those nobles with their families and soldiers seeing her as weak and

[@vegasblackfyre]

Showrunners, please take into account the feedback y'all are getting. Literally we're SO tired of having these two shoved down our throats with pointless and highly illogical reunions. Alicent wouldn't have EVER sold out her children. You're telling me the whole premise of the show, the trauma those kids grew up with is pointless because of a ship y'all want to force to oblivion? This is BS, y'all. And the lack of respect for Jaehaerys is DISGUSTING. Y'all better correct this and bring our Alicent back. Even Olivia knew better how Alicent would behave in this pointless and stupid scene.

[@benbarberian1701]

Upon seeing that resistance was hopeless, the Dowager Queen Alicent emerged from Maegor’s Holdfast with her father, Ser Otto Hightower; Ser Tyland Lannister; and Lord Jasper Wylde the Ironrod (Lord Larys Strong was not with them. The master of whisperers had somehow contrived to disappear). Septon Eustace, a witness to what followed, tells us that Queen Alicent attempted to treat with her stepdaughter. “Let us together summon a great council, as the Old King did in days of old,” said the Dowager Queen, “and lay the matter of succession before the lords of the realm.” But Queen Rhaenyra rejected the proposal with scorn. “Do you mistake me for Mushroom?” she asked. “We both know how this council would rule.” Then she bade her stepmother choose: yield or burn. Bowing her head in defeat, Queen Alicent surrendered the keys to the castle and ordered her knights and men-at-arms to lay down their swords. “The city is yours, Princess,” she is reported to have said, “but you will not hold it long. The rats play when the cat is gone, but my son Aemond will return with fire and blood.” That's the real Alicent, dear HBO, please fire your woke writers and show runners, or your production house will go in rot.

[@Kg_707_g]

Alicent in show: When aemond is gone i will surrender the city🤓 Alicent in books: "The city is yours, Princess,” she is reported to have said, “but you will not hold it long. The rats play when the cat is gone, but my son Aemond will return with fire and blood

[@asdasd-zh1kl]

Ryan Condal and Sara Hess i will forever curse you for this

[@aayaathussain8595]

That’s it. I’m officially rooting for Aegon. He didn’t deserve any of this crap. Him and Daeron are as innocent as Haelaena in all this, honestly. Aemond killed Luke and a bunch of smallfolk, yeah. But not the other two boys.

[@leylarustamova]

aegon bullied both Aemond and his cousins, and r@ped a girl

[@skittez_5510]

@@leylarustamovaaegon gave him a pig, Aemond literally burnt him permanently, those things aren’t even relatively close

[@janellejulianajoy]

Aemond at this point should be the only target, honestly.

[@imaknaktamales]

Season 1 Alicent: Put herself between a flying nuke and her son. Season 2 Alicent: Sign off her boys death warrant. She's a strong independent woman alright? She stood up against the patriarchy and choose her girlboss queen bestie over her misogynistic male children.

[@sorrybutiamkyrylo]

LMAO🤣

[@nikitasingh0412]

@@imaknaktamales so true... girl power 😍😍

[@shreya77797]

​They intentionally butchered Aegon's character in the show to make Rhae the girl boss look ​a better choice. Honestly in book she was fierce and was beautiful written grey character. In show they made her look dumb person who can't even control her council @charliesin-s6g

[@nikitasingh0412]

​@charliesin-s6g what about mushroom?

[@shreya77797]

@charliesin-s6g I'm team black all the way and I myself hate the way they depicting her character. Even by your point book rhaenyra was 100x better than show. What I am trying to tell is they should have stayed loyal to the book where characters were grey and had they own motives instead of the horseshit we got after 2 years wait. Rhaenyra is main character but the show ruined her

[@Voidwurm1701]

I'm genuinely shocked at how awful this writing is. Do they not realise Aemond would just inherit Aegon's claim if he dies, then Daeron and so on. Writers... People fight in Rhaenyra's son's name after she dies because her claim MOVED to him. You guys have the source material. What the heck is this???

[@asdasd-zh1kl]

They r just dumb and incompetent and nothing else

[@janellejulianajoy]

It's pretty clear that Rhaenyra is gunning for Aemond as well. Alicent tells Rhaenyra what his plans are and where he would be, after that is when Rhaenyra said what of Aegon.

[@guigly017]

The most nonsensical scene ever. WTH were they thinking

[@Em35nyc]

The idea that Rhaenyra would only kill Aegon is absurd. If he dies, his claim would pass to Aemond then Daeron. Beyond delusional to think allowing her to kill Aegon would be it. Beyond this scene being dumb for a multitude of other reasons, this one really takes the cake. Alicent (and Rhaenyra) delusion af. Enough of Rhaenicent.

[@TJ-fe7rr]

Aegon has no claim though. Rhaenyra wants him dead to show she's the rightful ruler

[@nid47]

@@TJ-fe7rr 🤦 show only's really have no idea how this universe works. Aegon, Aemond AND Daeron all have stronger claims than Rhaenyra as lawful sons of Viserys according to the laws of male preference primogeniture which is what the Targaryens have ruled by since their founding and was enforced by Jaehaerys at the great council. That is why they were in danger in the first place, and why Alicent was convinced to turn against Rhaenyra to protect her children. Until Alicent kind of forgot about all of that and agreed to have Aegon beheaded to ask Rhaenyra to "run away with me" the plot reads like dumb fanfiction and that's why people are mad.

[@TJ-fe7rr]

@@nid47 she wanted Aegon as king because she thought that's what Viserys wanted. But as we all know, she was wrong. If Rhaenyra has no claim than why did all the lords and ladies bend the knee and swear fealty to her?

[@nikitasingh0412]

​​@@TJ-fe7rr both rhaenyra and aegon have claims, rhaenyra because viserys named her, aegon because of tradition and andal laws. The show has done a very bad job with aegon's claim by reducing it to just alicent's misunderstanding. Since Aegon the conquerors time who was younger brother to Queen Visenya but still crowned himself King, to Jaehaerys naming Viserys his successor with the great council, westeros has always followed the Andal laws. The whole war was Viserys fault. He should have never married again to secure Rhaenyra's claim.

[@Em35nyc]

@@TJ-fe7rrunfortunately in Westeros, male primogeniture takes precedent. That’s how it was if we look at medieval history, even modern European royalty didn’t change their succession laws until recent decades. The show did a bad job of explaining this but in GRRM’s work it’s clear.

[@neuviotterss]

a son for a son… rhaenyra kind of forgot the child was beheaded, she also forgot that her fight w daemon started bc he decided to make his own orders and send assassins to kill aemond causing her image to be stained and losing supporters; alicent kind of forgot that when she was f*cking ser crispin orange her daughter was forced to reveal who was her son and then watched how they killed him, she forgot too that the reason she put the crown on aegon’s head is bc she always thought rhaenyra was going to kill him and his siblings, etc.

[@janellejulianajoy]

I just laughed out loud at Criston Orange...

[@piscis210]

This is the dumbest scene in the entire show

[@andrejmarin1907]

This is easily the worst scene in the entire series. Both meetings between the two main girls in season two are completely awful and would never happen if the world’s established rules weren’t completely ignored to make them possible.

[@unc54]

This comments section make me so happy. Unlike the writing for Alicent's character

[@sydney33thomas]

"... with no ambition greater than to walk where I please and to breathe the open air, to die unremarked, unnoticed, be free." If a character literally say to someone, to himself or the audience that he has no ambition or agency... HOW I'M A SUPPOSED TO BE INVESTED IN THE CHARACTER THEN?? Alicent is officially useless as she has "given up" the fight. She abandoned her principles and most of her family members because of a situation she partially created (putting Aegon on the throne against his will, and now she agrees to let him die 🙄) Where is the ambitious and rational woman from the book?! Intelligent, determined and arrogant who doesn't let people walk all over her and who has motivations and a clear goal?

[@gaynarchist]

You don't know how to be invested in a character who is actively rejecting the power structures they've been nothing but a pawn in their whole life? You can't be invested in a character who isn't hungry for some sort of power? Really?

[@Idiodyssey87]

Alicent: "We'll surrender the city and the Iron Throne." Rhaenyra: "And in return, I demand Aegon be publicly executed." Alicent: "Those both sound like things for you." Nice bargaining, Alicent. No demands to let Aegon be a ward of the crown or be sent to the Wall. Just chop chop. Mother of the Year, ladies and gentlemen.

[@cristinademartini6653]

Judith of Vikings: "guess i've found myself a worthy rival for the "worst mother of the year" award."

[@amoy5657]

Butcher's boy's death mattered more in got than Jahaerys EVER in this

[@cpegg5840]

This is hilariously bad when you consider how Book Rhaenyra and Book Alicent had a deeply intense hatred for each other.

[@emmasummers893]

I feel so bad for Aegon. Alicent got him into this mess. This is on her and yet Aegon has to lose his life?? How a mother could actually agree to let her own son die... WOW.

[@arobin6695]

this has to make her the worst mother in the entire franchise, betraying her own child to save herself

[@khfan4life365]

It’s a bit rich that Rhaenyra is judging Alicent for having a lover after Viserys died. She cheated on Daemon with Mysaria while he was still alive

[@janellejulianajoy]

And has Rhaenyra judged Alicent on her activities in the bedroom? No. Alicent, however, prattles on about decency, duty and faith and she turns around and does what she condemned Rhaenyra for? She's a hypocrite.

[@cherryfreckle]

I think you missed the point here. Rhaenyra would care less about Alicent having a lover if it didn't make her a huge hypocrite.

[@ComicRaptor8850]

Way to assassinate one of my favorite characters max