[HD]Dissidia 012 Duodecim Cutscene - Cloud talks with Tifa

[@ARiddle1986]

Cloud had a crush on Tifa all throughout their childhood. That was why he said he would always protect her and one of the reasons he wanted to become a SOLDIER.

[@b.s.productions4575]

i think you meant another guy first name no, last name shit sherlock

[@ARiddle1986]

@@b.s.productions4575 I waited six years for your reply.

[@b.s.productions4575]

@@ARiddle1986 well you got it

[@ARiddle1986]

@@b.s.productions4575 I am honored.

[@joshyshum]

@@ARiddle1986 damn must’ve felt good to get that reply

[@dolebiscuit]

So y'all obviously haven't played FFVII, but here's why he's sulky: *SPOILERS* In FFVII, Cloud loses some of his memories, and Tifa is the one who helps him put all of the pieces back together. She is his anchor. In this, Tifa is the one who has lost her memory. The tables have turned. And now they're being forced to fight each other by powers beyond their control. Like come on, that's his woman, of course he's sulky.

[@sakuracardcaptor4709]

You obviously have not really played ff7. Aerith is the one who genuinely wanted to help cloud because of her she helped Tifa father cloud's memories together while Tifa throughout the majority of the game tried forcing cloud to believe he was a soldier and despairingly denied the truth which messed up her fantasy version of him that he was not. In short, Tifa LOVED the "Zack persona" in Cloud while Aerith told players time and time again she was over Zack and loved cloud for who he was and not something she wanted him to be which was Tifa's case. So no Tifa was far from being cloud's rock I suggest you play the game the right way and try to pay attention the characters and scenes.

[@sakuracardcaptor4709]

Cloud is depressed because sephiroth killed the woman he loved if you really played the game then you would know that already.

[@thiaulric9053]

Thank you! Jesus fucks sake I know damn well I played the game and I know damn well how Cloud felt about both ladies. Where the fuck does anyone get off on saying he ONLY loved one over the other?

[@Midgar_Blues]

I know a person who's only seen Advent children and hasn't played a single FF7 game. She compared Cloud to Edward Cullen. I died a thousand deaths.

[@Midgar_Blues]

dolebiscuit 👍🏻Preach, dude! Plus Cloud reacted badly from the Mako poisoning and had all kinds of PTSD and memory loss.

[@ChaoCream]

This is so sad... Especially when you pay attention to Cloud's body language. Heck, even Tifa's to an extent. Cloud does not look at Tifa at all (Maybe indirectly) in the scene. Tifa's eyes widen at Cloud's name and Cloud stiffens at the comment of "a hero saving the girl". You can even tell that Tifa is upset when Cloud says he doesn't know her. They've both got body language to support their emotions. A well done scene.

[@rIsadoraLopes]

"You were like a hero-" Cloud loses his breath for a moment "-charging in to save the girl" WHY THIS MAKES ME WANNA CRY SO HARD?!

[@novadeus777]

Cloud and his beautiful tragedy.

[@Sylvia25100]

OMG!!!! i LOOOOOOVE Cloud's thoughts in the end!!!! he DOES remember her completely and he's MORE in love with her!!!!! Cloti i ADORE u!!!!!

[@redcronojm]

Tifa wants him but Cloud is playing hard to Get

[@sakuracardcaptor4709]

Tifa wants him, but then in ACC develops motherly feelings for Cloud, and still through it all. Cloud wants Aerith. Aerith wants Cloud. Zack is happy being best friends with Aerith. I'm talking about canon facts.

[@arreessamazlan7945]

Shut the fuck up. I'm tired of seeing your name all over most, if not ALL, videos that hint Cloud/Tifa or Zack/Aerith.

[@axel7801]

They really are everywhere

[@Adanu191]

@@sakuracardcaptor4709 Not buying it.

[@NihilistAlien]

@@sakuracardcaptor4709 no you're not. Play the game, tifa and cloud even have sex by the end of the game while the only cloud Aeris know is a shallow made up persona, even she knows it we she say " I wish I know you better"

[@iheartpizzarolls111]

At the start of every conflict, Shinryu wipes out their memories because he wants them to show no mercy. Cloud changed sides because he didn't want to fight Tifa.

[@morganlemons1694]

Lol I love how they put Sephiroth on the same team as Cloud and of course they just had to put Tifa on the opposite one...

[@exariin8848]

ohmagurrd y ar u hear ;((((((( I love people like you on KZbin.

[@Sol217]

Agreed. I can understand Cloud thinking he loved Aeris when he was all confused in the head but after it gets cleared up Cloud and Tifa all the way!

[@Rozuken1]

wtf does tifa see in cloud when...he talks...like this...all...the damn...time.

[@HyouVizer]

i don't get it either, think he's a terrible character especially in terms of personality.....

[@Tetrahedragon2]

So does the greatest man who ever existed... William Shatner.

[@xelfykim4214]

***** you've neva played ff7 did ya

[@HyouVizer]

xelfy kim i did, that's how i fucking know

[@Goujiki]

+Jon Idoncair cuz they fucked up cloud outside of FF7, he doesnt act like that at all in FF7, for some reason everywhere else they made him slow and sulky which is really stupid, because he's anything but that in FF7 (the game he originated from)

[@Panzora]

Dear Square Enix: WHY DON"T U JUST GET THEM TOGETHER ALREADY TO KEEP US FROM WAITING???

[@Jammineyeonline]

Your prayers have been answered, my friend!!

[@Panzora]

@@Jammineyeonline 12 long years and finally 🥹

[@ChatchanokPink]

I really like this cut-scene because even they can't remember each other Cloud always come back for Tifa .No matter what because they promise each other since a childhood that what ever happen to Tifa,Cloud would be there to rescue her.

[@eleamaya]

"Will I see you again?" Why it reminds me of Zerith scene btw. Oh, a girl's wish. And love how SE change the side of who loses the memories from the original FF7. They meant each other, don't they?

[@manjolajakaj9594]

Even without memories Cloud and Tifa are destined to save each other😊

[@Monunga]

Cloud rescues his enemies when the mood strikes him? I CALL BULL!

[@josiahharris3151]

agreed

[@bandung1345]

tsundere cloud :v

[@thiaulric9053]

I would love to play this some day. A large part feels missing since Dissidia and prior titles have been released. So it helps to see the sniplets that you, and others, have graciously posted on here. Thank you

[@sDani489]

It breaks my heart to see them deny everything

[@nurasyikinabdullah9408]

i wonder when the cloti and clerith fan stop harassing each other? i mean we all have the different opinions. so why bother other ship because you dont like it? please, grow up

[@selo017]

facts

[@jaybomb5638]

Just realized this was 4 years ago Time files

[@jaybomb5638]

Because they’re too attached to these characters

[@thetriplerhyme]

I liked the story in dissidia because in FF7. Cloud is guilt with A and Z's death and couldn't forgive himself in advent. In this one, it's like showing what if 'tifa died' unlike A's death he is not driven by guilt and he misses her like crazy in Cycle 13. Questioning his reasons to fight because he feels in his heart that he just lost the person most important to him in the previous cycle.

[@TheChaosgumbo]

Wow, playing through shade impulse, Cloud's line all of a sudden makes much more sense. "The one I really want to meet is.." At first I thought it was in reference to Aerith from FFVII. But after the events of 012, and him feeling like he lost something precious, I now strongly believe it's Tifa. Strong work SE, you trolled the fanbase yet again.

[@shiroken5649]

that's a connection i said CONNECTION

[@pvt.prinny759]

Cloud Strife - the king of JRPG teen angsters

[@RRM25100]

+Elvis Presley he's like 21 in ff7

[@pvt.prinny759]

RRM25100 well thank you captain obivious

[@RRM25100]

+Elvis Presley oh whatever Elvis

[@dagga19k]

ooooh i really love this scene in the japanese version with ayumi ito and takahiro sakurai's voice, but the english voices are so..empty!!! especially tifa's voice!! the japanese scene is much more romantic!! cloud x tifa powaaaa!!!

[@SazukeEX1]

Cloud never loved Aerith romantically. His one true love was and always is Tifa.

[@Ryu-qk1kx]

lol cloud is a stone hearted badass

[@DutchDread]

@Wind Ranger Apparently you never played the game there because Cloud is canonically ONLY ever interested in Tifa romantically.

[@zakari7-one-1]

@Kosename yup. He was infatuated with Aerith due to the confusion of taking up Zacks mantle. It might've felt real to him at the time but it was before he remembered who he actually was, a country boy from Nibelhiem that forgot about his childhood crush, Tifa. For disagreers, see the maxed out Tifa affection under the highwind scene. Clouds broken so it's hard for him to have two feelings inside. But HIS true feelings are for Tifa. Zacks is Aerith. It truly is a conflicted bittersweet tragedy.

[@LygarZeroX]

the feelings were real. even if his persona of his was fabricated from being imprinted by Zack because of the mako poisoning and trauma, he still felt those feelings. The thing about final fantasy 7 is that there never was a 100 percent set course and you can date anyone. You could say that Barret or Yuffie were his true love. While the only one you could have implied sex with is Tifa.

[@DutchDread]

@@LygarZeroX Well, it depends on how you define real, our language isn't made for these types of odd scenarios. The feelings themselves were real I guess, as in, ZaCloud felt them. But if they're based on a lie and a false persona it can be argued that they're not really Clouds, or are at the very least artificial and less than genuine.

[@Chayraz2]

Cloud only acts like Zack due to a psychosis that caused him to believe he and Zack where the same person. The subtlety that most fail to grasp about Cloud's journey is that in order to find himself, Cloud had to relive his past and sort the fake memories from the real ones. Cloud did this by turning to the one thing that stayed constant in his life and defined his person: His dream to impress Tifa by becoming a soldier. It was the reason he looked up to Zack in the first place.

[@linegenrou]

@sherlotta1022 it's made pretty clear towards the end of FF7 that Cloud has always been in love with Tifa. He joined Soldier because of her. He loved her since he was a kid,and the scene under the highwind just cemented their relationship. "They confirmed their mutual feelings for each other" regarding the scene under the highwind. It's an official statement made by Square.

[@kennethjose7159]

Tifa: But when I heard your name, I thought we might.. ..have smashed while Cid and Barret were watching from the Highwind

[@iam4026]

Quite odd that Tifa is surprised to hear Cloud being on the other side despite already hearing Sephiroth say that Cloud betrayed them

[@suaveli]

OMG I love this scene so much. This is like the best scene in the entire Duodecim. However, I think the Japanese version is better. The actors put more emotion in their voice which make the whole scene much more romantic. Aww, Cloud is so sweet. He silently try to protect Tifa. He pretends not knowing her because he want Tifa to focus on her fighting. If she realize who he is, she might lose her will to fight and that would be very dangerous for her.

[@AmyraCarter]

Speaking of Shinra, if there was a theme song for all of Shinra, it'd be System Of A Down's Cigaro. 'We're cool, in denial...we're the cruel regulators smoking Cigaro, Cigaro, Cigar...' There's a rock and roll theme for every character in the Final Fantasy series. Sephiroth's is Shinedown's Sound Of Madness. 'No one owes you anything-I think...you need a shotgun blast-a kick in the ass-so paranoid-WATCH YOUR BACK!' Cloud? Motörhead's Overkill. Perfect ringtone too.

[@TheRealChosenDragon]

cloud is the greatest, he just acts like a protective guy that is not that sure of himself

[@SilverScarletSpider]

I’m so glad Tifa and Cloud love each other

[@doscuramenos]

It sure is amazing to note how much Tifa looks like Laguna or even Squall.

[@appleseeds993]

1:30 to 1:43 Aerith: ZACK LOOK WHAT CLOUD SAID TO TIFA! Zack: *watches* me and cloud should've made a promise Aeirth: what would the promise be? Zack: TO GET WITH TIFA BEFORE HE DIES!!!!

[@TheChaosgumbo]

The conclusion is that in the original FFVII game, Cloud romantically liked both Tifa and Aerith. However which way he swayed more was up to the player. That's why you have the date mechanics AND two different highwind scenes. I don't why player's choice has to be such a bad thing.

[@winterscott1991]

@Shaneth21 To answer your question, Tifa was on Cosmos' side during the 12th cycle, which was the only one that she was involved in (found in the Character Files). Like the other warriors of Cosmos, they have absolutely no memories of their past, original homeworld or the people that they knew (the only exception were Yuna, Kain and Jecht since they were involved in the other cycles). The warriors of Chaos, however, have full recollection of their past since they won every cycle until the 13th.

[@picaresqueseeker]

Cloud's guilt is not driven by his LOVE for Aerith. Aerith was killed and he felt guilty that he didn't do anything about it and feels it was his fault.

[@nathaliamoreira1181]

Cloud i Tifa são tão lindos juntos 😍😊😁

[@Chayraz2]

I think you can predict the plot point "The good guys win". There isn't really much to spoil. Dissidia is no LOTR it isn't even cannon in any of the characters respective chronologies. The close the crack the mannequins spawn from, but lose the cycle in the process. The remaining warriors return in the next cycle to gather Cosmo's fragmented strength and move to eliminate Chaos and end the cycle forever.

[@Wheelio]

Yes. During his merc runs early on in FF7 he was extremely cocky and positive in his skills. Of course this all dissolved after Aerith died and he regained his old memories.

[@jwolfe8195]

Clerith fans be jealous b/c Aerith doesnt get many post FFVII scenes with Cloud anymore ;) ... SPECIFICALLY calling out the fans stalking this CloTi type of material like witch hunters... no hard feelings to the peaceful Clerith fans of course.

[@NintendoBound]

i like how he doesnt look at her the whole time

[@MaxBraver555]

Cloud: No, I’ve never met you before Tifa: ouch

[@kingorigin4805]

He already explained why he did that. For her own good. Not much of an ouch when she doesn't have her memories.

[@Netherwolf6100]

@nswayne Correct, in fact, he was one of the very first warriors of Chaos, by this time, Cloud has received just about all his memories of his previous life and all the battles up til now.

[@LightDark105]

Well in case you are not familiar with any of this, "Dissidia" itself is a game where main protagonists and antagonists are brought together from thier respective worlds to fight a war of the gods 012 is a prequel to the first Dissidia in which cloud is a main character on cosmos' side, in this one tifa is fighting for Cosmos' Before Cloud joined. To put it simply The Dissidia Series has nothing to do with the original games story wise.

[@winterscott1991]

@winterscott1991 That is why Cloud, who was originally on Chaos' side, remembers Sephiroth, Tifa and their homeworld and he acted as if he never knew her so that he could protect her and prevent her from falling to despair once she has full recollection of her past and realizes her connection with the two.

[@sgr7th]

"lets all act like we have amnesia!" omg...this sucks my balls....

[@ImmaNort]

sgr7th Well, Tifa really didn't remember Cloud when summoned into the cycle. Cloud acted aloof to protect Tifa because if she gets her memories back, she will not want to fight.

[@vocalcalibration8033]

Good god I love these characters...

[@MarraLo0390]

Me too, my favorite characters forever.

[@ARiddle1986]

They aren't evil. They just work for Chaos. I don't think they get to choose which side they are on.

[@Kutan]

Cloud... without pauses... tell me i'm dreaming! Dissidia 2 seems like the characters are actually interacting now. It's brilliant.

[@TheGroupOnly]

As a huge fan of Zack Fair from Crisis Core's viewpoint... I love how Cloud reacted to the word "hero". I think that was a reference to Zack's dream to "become a hero".

[@Netherwolf6100]

@kgalo12 I'm pretty sure for this cycle, it took place sometime after Cloud became depressed about losing Zack and having his memories restored and Chaos could sense the darkness of his depression overtake him and decided to use that to summon Cloud to his side

[@RydiasRevenge]

Tifa is just beautiful isn’t she?

[@Wheelio]

Cloud didn't start doubting himself until later on in the game. And even then, his dramatic flop in his persona didn't happen until Advent Children. As soon as Cloud became mopey and depressed, he immediately switched from being one of my favorite character to one that I couldn't stand. And why not? Other characters had no problems staying confident and positive in Dissidia.

[@Chayraz2]

No, the battle must end eventually. There where two possible conclusions. One. Chaos would be destroyed rather than simply defeated in a particular cycle. Two. Chaos gathers enough strength from the cycles of war to tear a rift in space-time back to the world he came from. As intended by Cid of the Lufaine. The game takes place in another dimension. It could all happen at any time in, for example, Cloud's story, yet Cloud doesn't remember it and it has no bearing on the story of FF7.

[@TushantMirchandani]

Not to mention whenever someone "Will I see you again?" the one they're saying it too would probably wanna snap and say, "You just HAD to say that, didn't you?" 'Coz, you know, fate has a weird sense of humor.

[@bijantehrani4325]

Oh the Irony... It too much; I want to talk and say something

[@reyonXIII]

You gotta feel bad for Cloud here...it's painful for him to be around her, but not the way most tend to think. Especially when she starts comparing him to a hero saving the girl, EXACTLY as he promised her. Only you're forced to be mortal enemies and he was just unlucky to realize that. It's no wonder he tried in vain to off Chaos. He has enough problems as it is, why give him more reason to be the personality most fans seem to be tired of...

[@celsiustear8526]

I can't say I agree 100% with that. Clouds actions and personality traits were heavily influenced by Zack in the original game. Towards the end of FF7 Cloud will have more random bouts of introversion, but he's still trying to separate himself from Zack's memories at that time. Note that Cloud was naturally quiet...and a bit awkward. Even in FF7 he seems predisposed to the idea of never involving people in things he felt were his problems.

[@alfaready07]

i know cloud will always save her because he had a promise when he was child with someone that he will save her if she in trouble...that's intuition

[@TheChaosgumbo]

The FMV doesn't explain much except Cloud thinks he can find Aeris in the promised land, with Tifa right after saying "yeah, let's go meet her", as in them as a unit. With what just happend in the highwind, It makes sense, as Tifa is confident in her relationship with Cloud. The kicker though is that Tifa is the only person where Cloud explicitly states to have feelings for, and he does this at the end of 2nd disc, after all the shit has already happened. And the ultimania confirms all this.

[@Louchan2]

@singerinwhite In the original game he was rather cocky and arrogant, but with a good heart. While he did have things he kept to himself, he was never really quiet. In fact, he was often very outspoken.

[@TheChaosgumbo]

Yeah, they're guidebooks released in Japan by square/enix themselves. Admittedly, I was thinking the scene to be more innocent when I first played the game, didn't expect the devs to admit something like that. It's kinda weird that the rest of the party watched them "do" it out in the open haha. It's best left to interpretation, but I think they at least got intimate.

[@SazukeEX1]

They were called by the other side that's why and they don't have their memories. Cloud regains his memories in this game, the prequel to Dissidia, hence why he refuses to fight Tifa here. Cloud later fights Chaos alone for Tifa's sake which touches the leader of the other side who agrees to let Tifa return, after she's defeated in this game, and picks Cloud as her Champion for Dissidia.

[@Jacqli-Rivoli]

I can feel the romantic tension between those two so much that it's surging through my computer screen.

[@KnuxShad]

@raeven1212 he was a champion of chaos in the twelfth cycle. after that cutscene he fought chaos only to find his doom. he then prays to cosmos to save his friend Tifa and Cosmos saved him

[@ClandonV6]

And then Cloud had the balls to take on Chaos all by himself. In a losing effort, but...damn.

[@TheChaosgumbo]

"Words aren't the only way to show how you feel" cue blackout plus Tifa's response to the gang next morning with "were you watching?!" implies something going on. This is in stark contrast to "were you listening" in the low affection one. They fall asleep next to each other in both versions, so you know something different happened.

[@iTooob]

Well if you analyze the scene where Tifa wanders around Cloud's subconscious, he clearly state that the reason he wanted to be like Sephiroth was to impress and be noticed by her, which allows us to understand a lot more about his emotions and actions. IMO his main motivations were undoubtedly connected to his whole childhood trauma, which happens to have a lot to do with Tifa.

[@linegenrou]

@xPrincessGarnetXVI it's one of his answers. When Tifa asks him if he slept well,you can answer "next to you,who wouldn't"

[@Masamune7vii]

naw man i understood the game very well. Tifa obviously had strong feelings for Cloud no argument there, but cloud was more interested in Aeris from my perspective. but i now believe the writers wanted the player to decide because there are subtleties on both ends. cloud only ever mentions to Tifa that he has feelings for her once, after she had poured her heart out onto his lap near the Highwind. there are multiple occasions where he refers to Aeris as "WE", "US", and "OUR"

[@ryuubagubutai]

Tifa: So cloud.... Do we know each other? Cloud: Yes.... We have kids..... We're married. In fact, you were trying to have another kid right before all of this..... We were about to.... do it. Tifa: ..... Your lying. Cloud: SHIT! PLAN B, PLAN B.

[@chaosgumbo]

Did you forget the whole lifestream event? The REAL Cloud had feelings for Tifa. If your affection w Tifa was high enough, under the highwind, they say their hearts were calling out to each other, they recipocrate their feelings, and it is followed by a night of something "risque". Everybody had something else they were fighting for, but Cloud and Tifa had each other? This was all in the original game. CC only illuminated on the events of FF. Sorry dude, but you're just wrong here.

[@TheExaltedHerobrine]

Is it just me or Tifa is just so beautiful. She is caring 🥰 aww

[@nswayne]

So... if we look at this from the Dissidia history, Cloud retains all his memories because he was on the winning side of a previous cycle. Correct...?

[@kibuki91]

Well, in the story of FF7, he was pretending to be like Zack throughout most of the game. And after finding out the truth about his own memories he became more like this (when shown in Crisis Core, he was really shy and upbeat, not arrogant and proud like when he was pretending to be Zack). The latest (timeline wise) installment has him more with ironic wit than anything in Dirge of Cerberus. So I don't really consider him a clone of Squall since his demeanor existed prior.

[@cabalavatar]

The game only implies sex when Cloud and Tifa are alone under the Highwind. Cloud tells everyone to remember what they're fighting for. Tifa and Cloud have only each other and their memories, so they stay behind. In the High Affection version of the cut scenes under the Highwind, we see Cloud and Tifa cuddled together. Later on the deck, Tifa is ashamed that others heard everything between her and Cloud. Again, sex is only implied. I never assumed sex, even as an adult. I assumed intimacy.

[@Chayraz2]

Cloud tried to kill Chaos. He failed and was dismissed and sent to Cosmos. They lose their memories to make the stories various fragments fit together better. You know how the force is like all purpose plot cavity insulation in Star Wars? Well Dissidia goes the extra mile and pulls amnesia of all things out of it's ass to mitigate plot holes. It's mainly there to stop characters from perusing their old grudges, and keep them focused on killing the enemy god.

[@Louchan2]

@linegenrou No. Cloud's personality was never like Zack's. The only thing that was different was his memories. Cloud has always had his own personality.

[@raquelborn]

@skysorujaa I agree Tifa seems a bit "happy-go-lucky" but then it is her original game outfit so this is possibly the younger, 20 year-old Tifa from before Advent Children and possibly the end of the original game (at 22 she's a little more serious and matured). It's not especially pointing to anything romantic but the tension of "feelings" of some kind is evident. Cloud's being protective of her because he remembers her. Either way you look at it it's frickin' cute!

[@BenignViewer]

I never quite bought into Zack/Aerith as a serious relationship, she was only young, a teen, at the time and they didn't see each other for a particularly long period of time. I didn't think the scene where she talked to Zack's parents was particularly conclusive, and the later date scene makes her seem interested in Cloud himself. It's very much open to interpretation - not saying you are wrong or anything. In fact, other than that, I agree with you in full. Well said sir.

[@hyhhy]

--someone else who actually looked beyond just the games!-- Looks like "someone else who spouts fanfiction as story fact" to me. --Aeris clearly was in love with Zack-- Was. And then his cool job took him away from her, and she moved on. --Cloud viewed Aeris as a motherly figure-- As far as I know, it's a fact of the story that Aeris and Cloud had a very good potential for romance together. --Cloud and Tifa have a life together-- It's only a "significant possibility", I would say.

[@AmyraCarter]

I didn't mean the original game theme. I said specifically 'Rock n Roll' music. Sephiroth's closest match for a rock music theme, would be Shinedown's 'Sound Of Madness'. Cloud, 'Overkill' by Motörhead. Tifa...well 'Cherry Pie' by Warrant fits nicely, for her assets, but I can definitely imagine her voice singing 'My Favourite Game' by The Cardigans very, very nicely. Not to take the subject off these three, but for Terra Branford, 'Woman' by Wolfmother is definitely hers. Again, rock music.

[@DestructionXX007]

@64jigen No, not evil. At Dissidia 012, Cloud is summoned as Warrior of Chaos. But in the 13rd cycle, he was revived as a Warrior of Cosmos because, well, I don't wanna spoil it.

[@zzzMrgamerzzz]

I feel like this game looked way better when I was younger😂

[@Louchan2]

@ShADowCloUDXstRIFe He became emo through Square's portrayal of him in spin-offs and sequels such as Advent Children, Kingdom Hearts, and now this game, Dissidia.

[@PedroAndrade25]

I think Cloud's real personality is what we saw in Crisis Core, he was cool af in this game, in the original FF7 he was basically Zack, and afterwards he is just messed by the previous events.

[@thecreed1212]

He was never like zack but yeah everything else is true

[@Wheelio]

My goodness, people really do take comments out of context. Of course Cloud's alter-ego was from Zack. But considering Cloud uses this "alter-ego" for the majority of the game and never really acts as somber as he did in AC or any other spin-off since, you start to see my point. To this day, Cloud/Zack has to the most relatable and realistic lead character out of all the others. Cecil comes close, but has too much white knight syndrome. All the others have gigantic flaws or zero personality.

[@Louchan2]

@junfaa They HAVE changed his personality. The original Cloud in the original game wasn't emo at all. In fact, he was very outspoken and a bit cocky.

[@MintC7]

wat how could she not remember cloud she loved him sooooooooooo much

[@Kyvax]

Finally, someone else who actually looked beyond just the games! :D I can't help but keep going back to the Ultimania and seeing that in the couples section of the book that Cloud and Tifa are the pair, not Cloud and Aeris (I hate it when people call her Aeirth XD) because Aeris clearly was in love with Zack and Cloud viewed Aeris as a motherly figure after losing his own mom. Geez, people need to get this shit straight and to leave it alone already. Cloud and Tifa have a life together, boom.

[@La-hora-del-terror]

this is part of tifa's history

[@La-hora-del-terror]

??

[@UnderratedSheet]

Every time I hear this Cosmos and Chaos stuff, it reminds me of the Dragon of Earth and Dragon of Heaven from X.

[@christopherpeters2852]

thought cloud grew up with tifa

[@Sonic09Hedgehog]

+riley freemen They Did. Tifa Only Lost Her Memory With Cloud

[@sakuracardcaptor4709]

Cloud and Tifa did not grow up together as childhood friends. But childhood strangers. Play FF7.

[@Midgar_Blues]

Stop raping canon to suit your dead-as-the-Titanic ship!

[@nitronikolai]

@@Midgar_Blueswho were you talking to

[@kingorigin4805]

@@sakuracardcaptor4709 How insecure do you have to be about your ship to contradict well known facts that the characters themselves acknowledged, just to put Clerith in a better light. It's understandable. After all, your ship was weak and it sunk.

[@maduross]

Cloud is such a player. Threatening to kill her just makes her want him even more

[@mollyentertainment8644]

Saskue style works

[@Basyilo]

So... Cloud loves Aerith but he's not in love with her; he has "feelings" with Tifa so he's in love with her. Sounds consistent.

[@Darkcelestrian]

I don't remember cloud sounding this depressed in fvii :l

[@Sonic09Hedgehog]

+Darkcelestrian Because He's Acting Like that Everywhere Besides FF7

[@Darkcelestrian]

Sonic 2099 The Hedgehog Sonic's gonna live up to 2099?

[@Sonic09Hedgehog]

Darkcelestrian Nonononono!! it's a User Name.

[@Darkcelestrian]

Sonic 2099 The Hedgehog Man...if he lives that long I'll be real happy XD

[@Sonic09Hedgehog]

Darkcelestrian don't hope for that. plus his world exist 3000 years from this year

[@TheChaosgumbo]

But KH II complicated things by making Tifa his light. You're right though, in KH he was searching for Aeris. I guess even the devs have trouble deciding on the two. Also, there's the whole ultimania thing where they had a section on romantic love and Cloud and Tifa were the representative couple of FFVII. I personally liked both, Tifa and Cloud just seemed more "right" to me. But we could go in circles over this and not reach an endpoint. Maybe it's best left to interpretation like you said.