HD Road Glide vs Indian Challenger Part 2

Don't know which one to buy? Thinking about a trade? Just curious about differences? This is a pretty thorough breakdown of the differences between purchasing an HD Road Glide vs an Indian Challenger. My first video on this subject was all about performance on dynos, this one is about the overall bikes features. Enjoy!
Please remember to hit that like button and subscribe for more content.
Thanks to all my current and soon to be subscribers, I really appreciate you watching and becoming part of my community!
If you're interested in sponsoring this channel or need to communicate with me for professional purposes, please email me at:
[e-mail]

[@darkhorse1989]

My Harley buddies would always say that the windshield, the power locking bags, the ride modes, that all that stuff was a gimmick until they rode with me a few times and realized how cool it really was

[@patprendergast5545]

In 2016 I bought a 2010 HD Softail Custom with 2660 miles on it. June 4 2024 I traded it in with 143000 miles on it and purchased a 2023 Indian Challenger Dark Horse with matte black smoke paint. I'm getting used to the much more powerful and bigger bike but no complaints and I haven't tried sport mode yet. I have, however, brought it to a suitable road and hit the 110 mph as I was told with NO problem. Indian has limited the bike to 110 but I had plenty of throttle left. I'm still making friends with Ride Command and Car Play. I wish Indian would have chosen something closer to Mazda's red or I'd have bought that one but over all no complaints.

[@darkhorse1989]

That's cause Harley's rear suspension is terrible trust me I went from a street glide to a chieftain it's like Night and day. Great video

[@davidbeauchamp9663]

You are absolutely right bud. You get much more bang for your buck with Indian. I don't understand it when people dispute that.

[@dragonrider8831]

My 2014 Ultra Limited (with 35,000 miles) paint is in much better condition than my Challenger with 2500 miles. HD is still the king when it comes to the paint. Outside of that, my Indian Challenger is so much more fun to ride when I am feeling a little salty, and the power…. OMG! Although the Indian Challenger is considered a sport/touring bike, I can’t make it past 400 miles a day, whereas I can ride 1000 miles a day on my Ultra’s. Both companies make amazing bikes - am proud to own them both!

[@paulk9188]

once you throw on a saddle man road sofa, you'll be able to hit the miles on the challenger

[@CorwinYoutube]

Best comment

[@darcher5888]

I’ll take performance and ease of maintenance over paint any day!!! Challenger Darkhorse for me!

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Harley maintenance is pretty easy too, you just gotta do it more often cause they're always breaking😂

[@Sodiumfreeriding]

Ease of maintenance 😂 ohhhhkay. Challenger maintenance is garbage, coming from someone that’s about to be an ex challenger owner, never again

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

You getting rid of it?

[@Sodiumfreeriding]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper si, new bike ordered

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

I dm you in that chat with Alex it's easier lol

[@alexchavez7046]

First Indian motorcycle after owning 6 HD's. I agree the HD looks amazing and aftermarket stuff is awesome. But I love my Indian Challenger even though it's not perfect. I have a few issues and im honest about that but the perfomance and especially the suspension is great. My Challenger was the better bike for me at this time. Good review.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Totally agree. Hope to see you soon buddy!

[@ernesthairston8683]

The challenger hit it out of the park for me

[@ozarkbagger1380]

I like both brands about the same honestly, for that matter some models of other brands. The one thing Harley should absolutely do is the electric adjustable windshield, it is such a nice feature.

[@rodneybarcus2233]

Indian came out swinging when the challenger came out and yes it has a few minor bugs but from what I heard they are being addressed. The only advice I would give Indian is they need more dealer network support.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

There are TONS of dealers now. I keep hearing people say this, but there are plenty of dealers.

[@biglou3214]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper They also don't brake down as much. So no need.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Dude I know of a few people that have had brand new HD bikes, something breaks, dealer tells them it's not warranty covered.

[@rodneybarcus2233]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper I have had problems with Harley trying to avoid fixing something on a bike I had that was still under warranty. Thy got tired of me bitching about it and made good. Shame on Harley for trying to cheat people. The bike I have now, a 2019 ultra limited is out of warranty and I take that bike to a independent for maintenance and repairs. Harleys large dealers network is peace of mind when me and the wife are traveling if we ever have a problem. With everything that’s going on with Harley now if I buy another bike it will be a different brand.

[@poundthatpavement652]

Bang for your buck os what has me leaning more and more to the Indian side. I loved my Road Glide but when i add up all the money I have to spend to make it faster it's not worth it. I also think HD jas such a loyal fan base that they do whatever they want. Customers for HD have been asking HD for years why they don't at least put LED turn signals on the bike? To this day HD still hasn't done it yet. They know that people will still buy their bikes regardless of their complaints. Both very nice bikes but I think I'm gonna go with who's giving me more for ny money.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

This is very accurate. Indian delivers an overall better performing product with more features at a better price, but some people simply can't be convinced that water is wet. Thanks for commenting.

[@michaelhuffman816]

I agree with what you’re saying in the video. I was a die hard Harley guy up until December of 2021. That’s when I went a ordered my Challenger. I tell everyone who shows any interest in Indian at all, the bikes sell themselves. If you’re interested in what the Challenger is go and ride one!

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Yeah its funny, I get a lot of pissed off comments from guys that refuse to give indian a shot, guess they just don't wanna get proved wrong. Enjoy your ride man, I finally got mine in December too!

[@kennethboone710]

My Harley road glide has rain mode. Excellent video sir

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Does it? I know a LOT of people with road Glides, they all tell me HD doesn't offer anything like that, and its also not a listed feature on the website?

[@kennethboone710]

Yes I own a 21 CVO it has a rain mode not sure if all of them have that option. It does not have a sport or standard mode just rain.

[@kennethboone710]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZPMgZSvq56cpMU

[@kennethboone710]

Check out the link.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Oh okay yeah the CVO is like a limited edition type bike right, probably why.

[@Neveralone412]

Really enjoy my 2020 I.C. . Daily ride or road trip. There’s nothing better

[@wholesalehitman8265]

I'm on the fence between the 2. I'm doing a test ride on the Challenger this weekend.

[@saywhen8582]

Darkhorse for me too

[@DoucetteMichael]

Awesome video Dark Horse the only downside i see is to Indian's infotainment center is that you only get 1yr free now instead of 2 yrs, with a price tag of 80$ a yr after that if you want navigation after the initial free period! Harley doesn't make you pay for the navigation !!

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

I'll tell you what though, 80 bucks a year ain't bad considering it let's you track your bike. That alone is worth it. Those Lowjacks people have installed in cars are like 1500 to 2000 dollars, and only last like 5 to 7 years I believe.

[@DoucetteMichael]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper I didn't realize it came with tracking your ride!!

[@michaelbailey4455]

You'll still have navigation. You just won't have the live traffic or weather. That $80, to my knowledge, is for the cellular service connection to the Indian network

[@DevilDog59]

I know this is a old post but you do have to pay for navigation upgrades if you do not upgrade the navigation then it is not current. With all the road construction you have to upgrade your navigation and you have to pay for the upgrade to get new navigation flashed to thump drive drive the you install thump drive to bike and flash thr updated navigation to your bike. I have a 2015 street glide special and I have installed 2 navigation flashes to bike.

[@fafa9493]

Indian the first Ameican bike...

[@chriswilliams2129]

I really like that new Indian Pursuit that’s coming out. My last two bikes were Harleys. V-Rod muscle, and a road glide CVO. I’ve never owned an Indian, but that Pursuit looks pretty sweet

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Honestly it's just a challenger with all the available accessories.

[@paulk9188]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper Except the adjustable suspension for heavy loads/passenger on the screen...which is pretty nice. Adding all that stuff to a Challenger, still will not get you the resale value of a Pursuit. Have a 2020 Challenger, but would love the adjustable suspension on the fly. Great vid btw

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Why worry about resale value. Bikes are awesome, if you ain't planning to sell it then value means nothing. On top of that, YOU the consumer do not benefit from resale values, dealers do. To further elaborate how meaningless "value retention" really is, something like 40 or 50 percent of bikes on the road are Harleys. That should mean they are worthless, yet somehow they "retain" value. It's all a rigged system. Vehicles are depreciating liabilities, they have no actual value other than what you can hopefully sell them for at any time, which is always (until covid) at a loss.

[@paulk9188]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper Well, you’ll always get more money when you sell private party, and a moded out Challenger is not going to sell for as much as a Pursuit, that’s just a fact..based on book value alone..not to mention adjustable suspension that is only available on the Pursuit..why would you think resale value only is beneficial to the dealer? I’ve owned several Indians, I always get more private party sell then I would dealer trade in..

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Because 99 percent of people trade vehicles at a massive loss because the book trade values are always significantly less than, as you mentioned, private party sales. And most vehicle transactions are in fact not private party sales, but handled at a dealer. So the typical consumer won't benefit from the actual value of the vehicle. And no, the electronic suspension is NOT only available on the pursuit. In fact, not a single item on the pursuit is unique. The electronic suspension is available for 1k from Indian.

[@johnnydangerously7186]

Ride what you like. I’ve owned both but prefer Indian. The comfort, smooth suspension and ease of maintenance sold the Roadmaster for me.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Yeah roadmasters are great bikes. Ooh looks like you've got the same color I did, nice.

[@darkknightlight]

Indian all the way.

[@michaelschmitzerle2587]

Love those Indian motorcycles! They just keep getting better and better!!

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

They're definitely great bikes!

[@CaptainJacksIsland]

This dude spams the same thing on every Indian video.

[@conner6324]

theres no part 1.?

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

There is... way too many HD fanboys were crying about it, so I unlisted it. They can't handle the truth. 😅

[@AKSnoopy7]

I like them both. My indian dealer is 100 miles away; whereas, harley is 8 miles away. My Victory buddies say you wont need the dealership due to polaris reliability. Can you second that?

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

I have definitely had my fair share of issues. I know the majority of customers experience 0 issues, somewhere around 85 percent. Overall they have great reliability, but no manufacturer is perfect. I also do like HD motorcycle, I'm just trying to be honest about what you get vs what you pay. Thanks for watching.

[@nicolesmith254]

I can second that. Victory XC 140k and still going strong. A loose battery cable, that's it. Ware items as usual, it's a great bike.

[@harryhowell5644]

Test rode a 21 challenger and roadmaster. Then I test rode an ultra limited and roadglide limited both 21s. I bought the roadglide limited. Much better out of the box for two up touring for me. Also the gauges and controls as well as the audio was a much more premium feel.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

You just missed the pursuit, right out of the box, definitely better for 2 up than the RG. It's a fully loaded challenger. So many features you just can't compare the HD with it. Enjoy.

[@paulk9188]

Harry... it's pretty clear you have some heavy buyer's remorse. Lettuce be real tea, if you are touring, having a functional windshield, auto-lock bags, loads of power on demand to get out of traffic in a hurry, navigation system, display of oil levels, tire pressure, media, all in front of you on a touchable screen, better braking for emergency stop, and now the Challenger has adjustable suspension on the screen for 2 up riding....these are all things one would want in a tourer bagger. Trying to convince yourself that HD is a better tourer is not going to help your cope. Sorry if you are seething after reading this bro, but just tryin to be straight with you..

[@harryhowell5644]

@@paulk9188 I love my road glide limited. It would be hard to beat all around. 15k trouble free mile so far!

[@airtexaco]

I have a base 2020 Challenger. I bought it used and went with the best deal I could get. It had 7500 miles on it, I have doubled that in 6 months of owning it. I love it. My best friend had a RG Limited. It’s a nice bike, has the 114 and very good performance. He agrees with the Challenger being a better bike right from the factory. If he didn’t owe so much on his, he’d probably be riding a Roadmaster. I’m wondering if the Guardian when it comes out will be a Roadmaster with the 108? I always say it’s your money, get what YOU want. But you’re right when you say you get more right from the start from Indian. I’m sorry you had issues with yours, hope that resolves soon! I am surprised mine isn’t snake bit being an initial year for a new bike. Some electrical issues that are strange, but clear easily. I am also a fan of the fuel scheduling flash that fixed some bugs. I am going to get the Lloydz Tune when I get a few bucks, I also ride exclusively in Sport Mode, even with my wife on the back.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Absolutely! I can not wait for my new one to come in. I'm sure it will be 👌

[@yvesleblanc8706]

What is the link for the first video?

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Lots of really hurt feelings from me throwing up dyno charts from cycle world showing how much more power the Challenger has from the factory vs the RG/SG, so I took it down. People get really angry when you show them they wasted a lot of money on performance they could have gotten elsewhere I guess. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@chriswilliams2129]

I like those mini ape hanger bars that are showed at 10 minutes 50 seconds. Do you know where you get those?

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

I believe you're talking about my apes. They're not mini, they're 14 inch bars from KST Customs.

[@thetealbilliardbagger3286]

I found a lot of plastic on the challenger and it felt cheaper in some ways but I did love it regardless

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Everything has plastic, Harleys too. Challengers are amazing bikes, thanks for commenting!

[@thetealbilliardbagger3286]

I agree I want a challenger next

[@trevino73]

Question? Harley came out with the Road Glide St this year. Of course not with all the upgrades. Can you build something similar on the dark horse? As far as upgraded suspension front and back and better brakes etc…

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

There's no need to upgrade anything on the Challenger. The brakes, engine, transmission, are all excellent. Front has 130mm travel inverted forks, and back suspension is fox racing w/ 114mm travel. Right from the factory its a bagger made to shred. It comes with rain, standard and sport modes depending on how you wanna drive. Throw it in sport for batshit crazy speed.

[@trevino73]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper Ok thank you for your quick response. That’s great info. to know 🙂👍

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

You're very welcome, thanks for watching!

[@jdiggy1195]

I don't get your question? "Build something similar " you would literally have to take the stock parts off the Indian and replace them with lesser quality and performance pieces to "build" it similar to the HD!

[@masterspin7796]

I went with a 2022 BMW 1250 R/T so far, a real nice bike.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

I hate the way BMW bikes look. I got on a R18 with the touring pack, omg it felt so heavy and hard to lift. I'm strong as shit, and have ridden nothing but big heavy Indians for years, so much more nimble. I'm not sure what it was about the weight placement on that.

[@masterspin7796]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper I'm currently 135-140 lbs. I don't seem to have any issues except moving the bike around the garage it gets heavy backing it out.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

I said r18. You have the 1250, very different. That r18 is a cow. 200 pound difference without the trunk, and not weighted properly for ease of lifting.

[@paulk9188]

Did the BMW come with a free bright orange or yellow astronaut suit? Seems like that is the standard for BMW riders so I've always wandered if that ridiculous jump suit actually comes with the bike? Also, the last part of your sentence stating that the BMW was a "real nice bike"..did you damage your keyboard wiping away the tears of regret after typing that? Just curious...

[@toneysnowwpimppn3842]

Good shitt my g

[@shawnkirk7631]

Those Indians are really good bikes, I'm thinking about switching to the Indian!

[@Johnr37us]

I went to buy a new 2022 Harley Road Glide Limited ( Had 5 Harleys already , including one CVO Limited that I paid way to much for) well due to the surcharge we were a 1000 dollars a part. Well the next day by total coincidence I seen a review on the Indian pursuit on KZbin . Although I can afford anything I want I still want to maintain a certain dollar amount ( and it a reasonable realistic amount) . But the Indian pursuit appears to be a better motorcycle for the money than the Harley . So I’m definitely going to look at the Indian.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

The Indian will also perform better. I test rode the new 22 SG ST with the 117 the other day, not even close to the performance from the Indian. The paint sure was pretty though😂 Let me tell you also, the HANDLING on the Indian, you can't come close with the HD. Go test ride one, you'll be impressed I'm sure. The fact that you're considering one means you're open minded. Only die hard can't be wrong fanboys can ride one and not say it's superior. You'll love the pursuit.

[@Johnr37us]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper Well simple features like the adjustable electric windshield , much higher wattage speakers ,and a electronic preload Fox shock and the engine being water cooled and with the amount of horsepower and torque the Indian puts out compared to the Harley a person definitely needs to take a look at a Indian motorcycles before they just go with the Harley. Because the cost are about the same .I was looking at a Road Glide limited and if that bike didn’t have the 1000 dollar surcharge( we were 1000 dollars apart ) it would be in my garage right now .And after I found out by accident about the Indian pursuit I’m glad I didn’t get the Harley. Now as of last week my local Indian dealer in my area doesn’t have a pursuit yet.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

The 22 SG 117 I just rode, those clowns wanted 38k! Before dealer setup and taxes and stuff. The bike is supposed to be 30! I was like man, you guys must be smoking some good drugs thinking you can charge that. No wonder they had about 20 new Harleys sitting there.

[@kylestewart8354]

You forgot the biggest selling point for Harley Davidson. With your purchase Your automatically enrolled into the Cult culture that is HD.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

🤣 well I got a lot of hate from the old HD cult from my last few videos, so I was trying to help them out with some desperately needed W's

[@titankeith]

I think the Indian is MUCH better looking than the glide, especially the fairing. The bug-eyes on the glide looks horrid, whereas the Indian has a high-tech front face. SO much nicer. Better bike for sure. Good Job, Indian. Challenger will be my next ride!

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

I definitely agree.

[@peterjacqueson9149]

Service Manuel has all values for Harley. Free when requested during purchase.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

That's awesome. I work on my own maintenence, that's definitely something polaris should do!

[@peterjacqueson9149]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper real game changer and resource for the tech savvy. I world for Harley and am a certified tech. Harley likes to pander to the customer by making silly shit an inside kind of thing. Mattering on model Harley offers a multitude of adjustments and free training for the at home guy. Most dealers off it as a workshop on Saturday mornings and an opportunity for upsale cause you know….. harley

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

I'm a Indian Tech, I don't work for the dealer. Lots of mechanic experience, went through the certification process with polaris so I didn't have to pay dealer for services, and they couldn't claim I messed something up doing maintenance.

[@MrEiniweini]

I am torn between the two bikes.I do think the Challenger is better but it would not be my only bike. Three years old, I can pick either up for much the same price. My primary bike is the new Sportster S, so if I really want to tear up the tarmac on a short hop, I am not taking the bagger anyway. As a distance tourer the HD does have advantages over the Indian in most ways due to familiarity by mechanics and availability of parts wherever you are. On the other hand the Lean angle traction only has to save you once to make it the better bike. Well I have 6 months to think about it.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Thing is, the "Indian don't have enough dealers" or mechanics with familiarity don't hold up anymore, there are tons of dealers now, unless your not in the US. While they definitely are more complicated, that's not a bad thing. And literally everyone that I've ever talked to that owns a HD still as well as the challenger, completely stops riding the HD. Completely different machines, not even close. You may think you won't pick the Bagger now😂

[@MrEiniweini]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper Yeah nah, not in the US, Australia if the "yeah nah" didn't make it clear. Also the most isolated city in the world, Perth, Western Australia. So a 1,673 mile ride to the nearest major city with just towns and 700 mile of desert in between, and I have to do that trip twice to get home. I would definitely lean to the Challenger if that was not the case.

[@douglashawkins4402]

You buy a Harley and immediately have to upgrade the suspension if you want a decent ride. Sad when you pay premium price and get subpar.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Right?!?!

[@jxk7712]

I think you like the Indian. I picked up my 2014 Chieftain after moving my FLH off of a truck the hard way and then crashed the Chieftain and am back on my Harley. Own several of them actually, but, the Chieftain was a Cadillac boyos; never ridden anything nicer. Went to Mom’s in Massachusetts to replace my Chieftain and was treated so poorly by the sales staff, they almost ruined my taste for the Native American, my new Indian Dark Horse will be hopefully soon and from a dealership outside of Massachusetts. Thanks Mom’s

[@derfskittlers6125]

Don't forget all the Harley gear you have to buy to look cool.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Well you go to a dealer to buy a t shirt, and they give you a free motorcycle. They start you off right! 😆

[@hondanut7564]

the indian is much better value , but the glide is still better looking and probably better resale

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Looks are subjective. I think glides are ugly in general. Resale is rigged. Harleys make up around something like 50 percent of bikes on the road. They should be worthless, since value is supposed to follow supply and demand. Harley supply is flooded...

[@robolson7669]

In 2020 I was upgrading. I wanted a frame faring bike. I was excited about the challenger. I had always wanted a road glide,but that was before the challenger came out. My local Indian dealer could not produce a challenger I could ride. They were selling every single one, their demo bike was down and parts were not available. I rode a road glide and bought it. HD still builds a nice bike. The improvements were good enough. The road glide still looks way better. I will never try and race a challenger……..but having the fastest touring bike is not really what I want in a touring bike. I have no doubt if I would have rode the Indian I would have bought it. I don’t regret buying the Harley.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Sucks you couldn't ride one. Much better ride than the HD. You dont need to race them, but you'll know the power is always there when you need it. Nothing like it on the market. Supply is dogshit right now, if you ever do get to test ride one almost guaranteed you'll trade.

[@paulk9188]

Rob, your last sentence says you don't regret not buying the Challenger...but it's pretty clear you have some heavy buyer's remorse. Lettuce be real tea, if you are touring, having a functional windshield, auto-lock bags, loads of power on demand to get out of traffic in a hurry, navigation system, display of oil levels, tire pressure, media, all in front of you on a touchable screen, better braking for emergency stops..are all things one would want in a tourer bagger. Trying to convince yourself that HD is a better tourer for 2-up is not going to help your cope. Sorry if you are seething after reading this bro, but just tryin to be straight with you..

[@mosgor]

👍

[@edwardmorgan3851]

Indian just raised their prices this week . With these increases , $900 surcharge and dealer fees it put most of the Springfield Dark Horse , Chieftains and Challengers above $30,000 before taxes and any extras you add . Unless you Go base model and upgrade as you go ..

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

The 900 dollar surcharge has actually been around for months already. And no, not true. I also paid the 900 fee, after taxes, registration and an extended warranty for 7 years, I barely paid 31k. Before all that it was like 29. If you're seeing prices like that, it's definitely dealer markup. The black smoke dark horse starts at 28.5k, ad the 900 and that's 29.4k. Not at 30.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

By the way, there is a part 3 video discussing some of the other advantages of the Harley over the Challenger if you're looking at either. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnyZeqd_bpd-hK8

[@edwardmorgan3851]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper The Dark horse Challenger is now 28,999 on Indians site … add the 900 and you’re 101 away from 30,000 .. taxes and fees alone will push it closer to 33000 before any xtras we might add …. I’m still planning on the Chieftain Limited in Silver Quartz though . I’ve sat on a few and heard enough good things to pull the trigger . ( just need a little more ammo ) .

[@edwardmorgan3851]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper I’ll be tuning in , I’m definitely a fan of the Indian brand , I watch a lot of the comparison videos on both the chieftain and challenger .

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Okay I see they just raised the price another 500. Yeah, they just did that in the last 24 hours, I was on the site yesterday. Good catch. This video is a little old now, so that's why there's a price difference. I got mine out the door at 31 with a warranty. Stuffs definitely getting expensive. Thanks for the reply!

[@Jack-kt8bs]

Had a Ultra and became tired of pouring money in to it. For more power and a better ride

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Yeah I find if funny that pouring money into them is something HD owners tout as a benefit... why would you want to pay more money for less bike? Or anything else for that matter? Thanks for watching!

[@dnice4431]

I don’t doubt much of what you say. However let’s talk support and service. Many states have 1 Indian dealer period. They are by far few and far between. So when you want to have your bike serviced at a dealer you have to travel a lot. Also parts. If your bike is down or you need a part and that dealer is one of one or two in the state everyone goes to that dealer and they never have parts in stock. I own a 2020 street glide. My wife rides a 2021 Indian scout bobber. It took me a day to get bars put on and the bike serviced. It took 2 months to get the 10 in mini apes and the cables for them. I had to go to several dealers on my own to finally make it happen. I’ll stick with Harley until Indian gets their stuff together.

[@paulk9188]

That's a good point..not everyone can afford to live in a state that is thriving and bringing in new businesses. Sorry that you live in a piss-poor state, hope that turns around for you soon bro. Cheers

[@dnice4431]

@@paulk9188 Massachusetts has Indian dealers genius. Most states don’t have many dealers. That’s MOST STATES. your dealer network is far smaller than Harley Davidson.

[@paulk9188]

@@dnice4431 I have 3 Indian dealerships within a 50mi radius..I understand you have some heavy buyers remorse, hope you can turn that around in the near future

[@dnice4431]

@@paulk9188 I wouldn't trade my bike ever. Well at least till it hits 70k or more. Love every aspect. Just because you have dealers close that is not the case in many areas throughout the US. Also the Indians are plastic heavy and hide crap on their baggers instead of planning it out better. No thanks.

[@paulk9188]

@@dnice4431 D..that sounds like a paragraph of buyers remorse. Imagine buying a bike that has less performance, less braking power, no adjustable windshield, no auto locking saddle bags, no ability to change suspension with the touch of a finger on the dash, worse tires..just answer one question, did you mess up the keyboard wiping away the tears of regret after you typed all that out? Be honest..

[@clintoncoey9840]

I think at the end of the day it's rider preference. Both are beautiful bikes but if your comfortable on one and not the other it boils down to just that.... Preference. I'm not a HD guy, nor do I own an Indian. Just saying you see a lot of street glides specials and road glide specials on the road... And they all look the same for the most part.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Lol most HD riders will swear up and down and get offended if you mention the Indian looks similar. It's pretty funny honestly

[@clintoncoey9840]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper 😂 just like the fixed fairing, they'll swear up an down they were the first lol they weren't. Or how Indian will claim they are the oldest... But not the longest running business. Lol who cares at the end of the day. Ride what makes you happy. I ride a 2006 Yamaha Road Star 1700.... It's in pristine condition. I ride the wheels off that thing. Because it makes me happy.

[@paulk9188]

You see a lot of HD on the road because people are followers and they would rather follow the herd and try and convince themselves they aren't a cuck, but clearly they are. Imagine buying a bike that is underclassed in every aspect just to follow a trend..just lol @ Harley riders

[@semperfipar1299]

When the bikes are side by side the Harley has no fit compared to the Indian. The Indian is sculpted and the Harley is not. The Indian design flows and the Harley does not.

[@MatlockMoto]

I love my Challenger Dark Horse, but the Road Glide Special is definitely a better looking bike and has better fit and finish.

[@semperfipar1299]

@@MatlockMoto For me the front fairing on the RG is it, I liked it when I first saw the shark front but that is where it ends. The tank is not sculpted to fit and is just sat on the frame. The seat does not flow into the tank. The bags are dropped too low. Until it was pointed out to me I was not noticing the small details. A friend of mine just bought a SG over the RG and he said his decision was based mainly on the ergonomics and reach based on the fairing.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

I wouldn't say better, just different designs. I have yet to see a paint job or body work on an Indian that isn't worth paying for or worth complaining about. I'm not personally a fan of the actual styling on the HD bikes. There are plenty of paint defects that crop up on HD bikes, difference is, good luck trying to get HD to cover that under warranty.

[@x101abndevil4]

For 2022 Indian introduced electronic adjustment for the rear suspension across all models of the Challenger. I don't think the RG offers this option on any of their models. I have it on my base model and it is easy to access and works well.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

No way. It's only offered on the premium version of the new pursuit, and I haven't seen any base models with it from factory, in fact, nobody has this part yet as it just released. How could you have it?

[@x101abndevil4]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper Yup it's on my bike and it works, sorry if you don't believe it but you would lose any bet you would make with me. I have the base 22 model and I have the electronic adjustable suspension. Furthermore the dealer pointed it out when I ask him to show me how to take off the left side panel. No need too now, I enter via the keypad on the screen.

[@x101abndevil4]

Here is a brief video I just uploaded showing you the feature on my bike: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fInEl2eKl9x3npo

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Lol dude I'm a Indian tech, I KNOW they aren't supposed to come with that. It must have been installed by dealer. Not sure how they got it. Or the factory installed it and charged more. It's not supposed to be standard. Same with the pursuit. Only the "premium" trim has that.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

www.indianmotorcycle.com/en-us/challenger/specs/ Right from Indians own website. Look at the specs, right there under Rear Suspension. Still listed as having the Fox Single Hydraulic Adjust. Not electronic. Youll also notice under "standard equipment" it is not listed. Yours was an add on, 100 percent, or someone made a mistake and added it. That's why I said I can't believe it, they NEVER add stuff at the factory. I wonder why they did.

[@donlord794]

I own 03' Heritage and 01' Dyna and they are the last Harley Davidsons I will ever own, My new bike will be an Indian because they are truly far superior bikes period, Harley has become nothing more than a parts seller for the last five years and Harley's Idea of innovation is to paint last years bike a new color and call it new. 3/4 of the bikes they sell today still don't have LED's because they want to charge you to have them, STOCK ON INDIAN! If you want a bike decked out stock and does not have to go to the shop every 4 months then get an Indian, plus Indian has a 1Million mile warranty, beat that Harley

[@Sodiumfreeriding]

I’ve given my challenger all the chances I can, I’m done with it. One of the biggest pieces of crap bikes I’ve owned. Love Indian, love my dealership but never challenger, Ever. My buddy, same thing, he had his for 6 months, and now owns a Harley. Which has less performance and less handling but loves the bike way more.

[@paulk9188]

What issues were you having Salty?

[@Sodiumfreeriding]

@@paulk9188 all of them, and then some

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Lol

[@paulk9188]

@@Sodiumfreeriding lol, I’ve had issues with the battery & the ride Command, other than that, my 2020 is going strong

[@Sodiumfreeriding]

@@paulk9188 I’m gonna make a video on it, and then it’s gone. New bike announcement should be by the end of the month. If the company delivery is accurate

[@cartrack730]

Going to be a real shame when Harley launches an all new Road Glide and the Indian Challengers become basically worthless. I thought about buying a Challenger, but I don’t want to be stuck with it when Harley drops their new RG and everybody starts unloading the Challengers to get back on a Harley. So keep talking about how fast the Challenger is, because you have about 7 months left to keep beating your chest with that.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Keep paying more money for less bike sheep. I just rode the new 22 RG ST with the 117, not even close to the Indian. It sucks. So you obviously don't know what you're talking about. After riding it, I know for 100 percent sure HD bikes are gonna die out if they continue the overpriced, low performance bikes they keep pushing.

[@cartrack730]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper One thing I am no sheep, but I will have you know, that I just told Harley to fuk off and bought an Indian Challenger.

[@nicolesmith254]

Indian in the best thing to happen to HD. If it wasn't for Indian beating it's chest, HD wouldn't have any reference or point of aim to shoot for. When HD counters Indian, a year later Indian does the same. Trust and believe, as long as Indian is in the game, HD has no choice but to produce better bikes. From now on, if you're on a HD you'll be riding the best bike they can make. They've been put on notice, go to sleep on Polaris and you'll be on the sidelines. For us to consumers it's great. Indian may be the only bike out there to keep HD on point. I think HD'S focus always needed focus. Know it will be a lot sharper now. Iron sharpens iron, let the battle rage on! Safe travels.

[@cartrack730]

@@nicolesmith254 I can tell you right now, HD will sell some of those CVO’s, but at $50K,, they will not sell many. People have woke up and for way less money can get a Pursuit with all the same features and more on a better platform. By the time Harley can even match Indian, they will have something lightyears better. Look how long it has been since the Challenger has been launched and Harley has not even been close to matching it yet. Harley is in really big trouble, the last thing they needed was a major competitor like Indian and the worst part is Polaris has the money!!!!! The Challenger was one thing, but the Pursuit really hurt Harley. Polaris has the money, R&D and the ability to make some quality stuff. They are not afraid to take chances and they give people what they want. Indian is just getting started. Indian is going to go after everything Harley makes and just wait till Indian starts making a trike!! They have a company now that puts them together, but I am sure they will be factory bikes real soon. Just something to think about, how many people were die hard Harley loyalist that would have never even thought about riding anything else are now on Indians. Indian cannot keep the Pursuit in stock and the people buying them are Harley faithful and Gold Wing owners. Will be interesting to see, but I see Harley having some real big trouble soon.

[@roadglide1142]

Recently sat on a Indian Challenger. The quality of the materials & paint just cannot compare to the HD product for what they are charging . Almost a “Cheap” feeling in comparison ! I’m sorry but HD has and always will get my business because they earn it.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

If those HD bikes are so great, how come everyone that buys one has to spend so much upgrading their shitty parts? Uncomfortable seats, hideous cheap Floorboards, terrible vibration, that weak unreliable 114 that you gotta spend 10k upgrading to match the indian, and much more. Enjoy! I'll stick with the much better built bike.

[@davidbeauchamp9663]

Cool for you. Enjoy your H.D.

[@dnice4431]

@@DarkHorseParatrooper i have a 2020 street glide. 114. Im not looking for horse power or I would have kept my 2014 zx14r. I wanted a beautiful bike I could do comfortable long hauls on. I got that. I changed bars for my style as do many indian owners. I upgraded my stereo because I like loud music. Other than that I have only added personal touches to the bike and to date not a single issue what so ever. Indian is one size fits all, the beauty of the harley is that the aftermarket is vast and you can alter the bike to fit your wants and desires. The parts for indian are on back order half the time and few and far between in the aftermarket. With a cam and exhaust 5k max I can not match but come nicely close to the numbers on a challenger. And beat the numbers on the rest of the touring models. To fix all that ugly ass cheap plastic and paint your bike proper it would take at least 5-10k. So who is lying here? Truth is both bikes fall short in different areas. Harley simply has the aftermarket and dealer network to deal with any of them. Indian not so much. Prove me wrong. List how many indian dealers there are per state compared to that of harley. Not even close. Also are you trying to say indian motorcycles never have maintenance issues. I can find many videos from CUSTOMERS here on you tube that prove different. Riding fish has a bike whose trim comes loose all the time and rattles like hell. He has also documented other issues that have happened to his bike. I come with facts not fan boys.

[@nicolesmith254]

I'll take a stronger engine and better suspension over better paint all day. You can't have Indian's 108 outperforming most of your bigger C.I. engines and call yourself great. It's like saying your pickup in better than the next guys. His has electric start and rubber tires, yours has wagon wheels and a crank on the front. You may say yours is better quality, but is it?

[@danputnam1838]

The Indian is soooo bad looking!

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Yet nothing but compliments and admiration anywhere I've been. Seems like you're in the minority.