Dolby Vision Streaming vs HDR10 4K Blu-ray Disc Comparison

[@fxandrei]

Its great that you got to check 2 bushes within a few minutes of each other.

[@WDeranged]

*ding*

[@86rattlehead]

Truth be told, one of them exhibited slighly more macrobushing due to the heavier compression.

[@thatdrh]

Always check the bushes before entering the woods “ding”

[@myvid222]

In adherence to woke culture you are hereby banned by the KZbin thought police for furthering the objectification of women.

[@thatdrh]

@@myvid222 Women? We’re talking about shrubbery!

[@Horos_de_Vega]

In summary: shame on Disney for not releasing their BD UHD with Dolby Vision. Thanks Vincent once again for the great content!

[@Oldschoolgamerdad]

This 🙌

[@SpawnViper4]

Obviously the reason is because they want to generate Disney+ revenue. They need to stop playing and release full collections of DV enabled Marvel Phase Bundles (All extras included).

[@shoopypit4884]

@@SpawnViper4 and imax switching. At least for the last two avengers movies.

[@RobertK1993]

Dolby Vision can't make streaming look sane 4K Ultra HD Blu ray disc

[@robinanwaldt]

Fun Fact: The only Disney 4K releases that have Dolby Vision are Black Panther and the first release of The Last Jedi.

[@aim9491]

Sound is what is tipping the scale towards blu ray for me. There is just no comparison between lossless atmos/dolby true hd or dtshd master and lossy dolby digital plus

[@bitchpls111]

This.

[@Oldschoolgamerdad]

Agree the biggest difference compared to streaming is sound now. But that difference is huge with a good sound system. There is no chance in hell that the lack of dolby vision on some disc will make me stream the dolby vision version with the current sound limitations still there. It is sad that we can't have the best of both.

[@kencanette]

I have an old receiver I got at a thrift store but it can only do DTS and Dolby digital buying a brand new one would be a huge upgrade?

[@buganvilstudio]

@@kencanette get one with dolby atmos. (And speakers for that too). Hearing rain coming from the ceiling feels super immersive. At least very cool to have. But not necessarily a game changer. Maybe hear one at a local store if possible.

[@aim9491]

@@kencanette you don't need to get a brand new one. Lossless dolby and dts have been around for a long time. If its got hdmi it probably supports all you need. Just get a used receiver from like 2016. Unless you want it for gaming with a new console in which case you might want to get a new one with earc or buy a thenaudio sharc and an old one. But the sharc is 150bucks alone

[@MisterPikol]

"it is not often that I get to see 2 bushes within minutes of each other" That's some Disney writing right there

[@traceyclarkewz4093]

My G

[@oliverroggenbuck7824]

It´s completely underrated how Vincent is able to say this line and remain totally serious. Incredible timeless Stand up Comedy !

[@sjsphotog]

@@oliverroggenbuck7824 +1000 VT is the MASTER of the super subtle innuendos :)

[@leontiefmodell650]

When he was talking about macro-blocking in the bush in the Avengers for the first time, I knew he couldn't refuse...he came saw and conquered that joke XD

[@Zebra66]

I find that regular 1080p Blu Ray often looks better than 4k streaming services. It usually has a higher bitrate (less compression). It's a mistake to think of the resolution as being a measure of quality. When you encode video, quality and res are two different settings. Quality is related to compression which is why 2k DCi theater files are more detailed than UHD Blu Ray. Higher res just means you can sit closer before seeing pixels.

[@TheRealGara]

I'm right there with you. I toss most 2160p webrips if I get my hands on the 1080p bluray. Audio is always the big winner, but visually the higher bitrate always seems to win out over the 2160p webrips hdr10 or DV.

[@Spidey_Pool85]

@@TheRealGara I love collecting blu-ray and recently got Avengers Endgame. I planned on watching the disc, but the digital code redeemed in 4k HDR. My question is, should I watch the stream just for the HDR, or stick with the blu ray for better bitrate and audio?

[@cjsnowdon]

@@Spidey_Pool85 just enjoy the movie 👍

[@davidbenning10]

@@cjsnowdon Good advice. It’s time that we stop watching the screen quality and pay attention to the actual movies.

[@Gurminder_S]

1080 Blu-ray are encoded using AVC and 4K streams are HEVC. HEVC is twice as efficient so a bitrates of 1080 discs are half of the equivalent 4k. In terms of streaming a 20mbps 4k streams is equivalent of a 40mbps 1080 disc. So bitrate wise both have the same mbps.

[@BigBlobProductions]

I would love to see a comparison between Dolby Vision and HDR10+

[@danlah1303]

Can’t understand the logic of not offering 4K Blu-ray with Dolby Vision but making it available on the streaming version

[@bighands69]

It should really show you what their intent is. They do not want to do physical media which people will own and control. Instead they are going to do streaming which means they control the source. There is a reason why the childrens books by Dr Seuss are being destroyed.

[@zelko0768]

They want to hook the gullible to an inferior product

[@bighands69]

@Steven Lee Everybody going to streaming will cause the collapse of Disney.

[@alexanderulv3886]

Why can’t we just have more high quality streaming

[@debsattam1]

Blu ray movies always look better even if compared to Dolby vision it's the HDR that mess everything up .

[@edirol]

By not offering DV Blu-rays it incentivizes, consumers to go with streaming services, for those that care about higher quality HDR. A future where we don't own anything and studios get guaranteed streaming revenue is what they want.

[@jon4715]

The Great Reset: Where "you'll own nothing and be happy."

[@dantasticmania8728]

They want full control and censorship that's why buying physical media matters cause it's to preserve the past to show it to future generations. Imagine a movie like Gone With The Wind ether being heavily altered/ censored or not shown at all became of sensitive assholes on Twitter ? Not a future I want to live in .

[@ПавелПовх-з3у]

Or, you can get yourself qled and there will be no need for such thing as dolby vision.

[@bighands69]

They are now in the middle of banning Dr Seuss because the animals look racist. And yet if the animals had no characteristics of race they would be complaining about it being racist. What we are witnessing is like a witch hunt in that there is no winning whatsoever.

[@jon4715]

@@dantasticmania8728 Shoot, that's exactly why. Truly 1984. No easier way to alter history than if everything is digital and on demand. Obama's presidential library is totally digital isn't it?

[@ogpirons]

Still a disc man regardless. I prefer my entertainment to be physical.

[@hdtvtest]

We prefer everything to be physical, to be fair.

[@ogpirons]

@@hdtvtest Nowadays some are becoming OnlyFans of digital.

[@dandana5263]

Picture may be close but sound quality on disk destroys streaming.

[@TJ.1]

@@hdtvtest 😂😂😂👌🏼

[@xxXGIXXXZERXxx]

@@ogpirons 🤣

[@schwartzy65]

i do think bluray discs should ALWAYS have the best possible tech like dolby vision... it is the premium way afterall.

[@halfvader8015]

@Umar Metcalf You mean UHD Blu? Because they do have it. Or do you mean regular old Blu, because that's redundant. The SD gamut makes it pointless.

[@halfvader8015]

@Umar Metcalf Cheers, but I'm still not sure whether you mean a 4k/UHD/HDR blu ray player, or an old regular Blu player.

[@bighands69]

If you have a good set up you are not going to notice the small difference between HDR10 and dolby vision.

[@krazyfrog]

@@bighands69 Did you even watch the video?

[@JBR.1974]

In truth physical media is slowly going the way of the dodo. So enjoy it whilst you can

[@RTINGSdotcom]

Great video Vincent! Nice to see the results side-by-side. Though, we'd be happy with getting stuck with chicken instead of fish 😎.

[@cjsnowdon]

No veggie options?

[@califagonian9839]

Yeah, if the movies are any guide, we don't want both of our pilots eating the fish either. Unless we've got a washed up, depressed, Navy war veteran pilot with a drinking problem aboard.

[@darkdraconis]

@@cjsnowdon no, tons of meat only

[@turfoid7899]

Lol

[@bullet759]

@@darkdraconis eat yourself then

[@lgans316]

These banding and blocking appear to a lesser extent on iTunes and MoviesAnywhere stream of these films which are encoded at higher bit rates 25-31 Mbps as opposed to D+ wherre 4K HDR bit rates hover between 16-28 Mbps.

[@SpawnViper4]

Yes this could be more future reviews. Its exciting to think of the Bravia Core possibilities.

[@yviruss1]

Interesting; although not surprising.

[@tomd8168]

I was wondering that too. Netflix has some interesting algorithms and compression coming out that could also change up this.

[@AvatarFanUno]

@@tomd8168 oh is there an article about upcoming changes? :o

[@tomd8168]

@@AvatarFanUno I think I had a brain fart when I wrote this.. I can't find the article I was reading but I may have gotten confused with their new way of measuring compression, based on this article on their tech blog. netflixtechblog.com/optimized-shot-based-encodes-now-streaming-4b9464204830 but they may be using it on more 4k content now.. if I stumble across what I was reading back then I'll post it! Sorry for the confusion.

[@BeastieMK]

The compression artifacts of the 1080p streaming era that we merely noticeable at the time, are really quite distracting today since "Viewing distance" (more likely viewing angle) has improved. My Blu-rays, on the other hand, have held up quite nicely. I suspect the same will be the case with "4K" streaming even is some 4K Blu-rays don't have Dolby Vision. Even at my current viewing angle, I find compression artifacts more distracting than some titles' lack of Dolby Vision.

[@DR-xm9ck]

"it's not often I get to check out two bushes within minutes of each other" Vincent, you're killing me with these one liners.

[@ferrari77773]

Overall, Dobly vision streaming and Dobly digital plus audio gives HDR10 4K bluray more than a run for its money, but I still slightly lean more to HDR 4K bluray because of the superior audio.

[@Mowglibaloo2]

Basically gimping the disc by design

[@istudy9]

How is audio better though?

[@ferrari77773]

@@istudy9 streaming audio is compressed, less info. Bluray audio is uncompressed, more info.

[@x-techgaming]

What audio hardware and speakers/headphones do you have?

[@metalliholic]

@@x-techgaming the tv built in speaker 😂

[@nadavge]

Great review. There is one detail that I find rather noticeable which didn't receive attention. When looking at a single frame in the HDR10 footage when there are moving objects on the right TV, there is very noticeable ghosting. This can be seen in multiple scenes, but is present ONLY in the HDR10 content. Examples: 9:34 - when Capn is walking 9:42 - when the Hulk (human form) is turning around 9:45 - when hulk is changing This is a very big difference in my opinion giving a huge advantage to Dolby vision on anything containing even medium level of movement. Is that because of the codecs or the screen settings?

[@robertct06]

I get the feeling it’s the camera. I don’t think Vincent would’ve over looked it but you never know

[@nadavge]

@@robertct06 Given the TVs are supposed to be configured the same way this sounds unlikely

[@matisms]

a big motion gap there

[@issaciams]

Dude this was the most obvious difference to me so something is off here. I don't understand why the Blu ray side would be showing all that ghosting. LG CX doesn't have ghosting issues like that so I'm very confused. Gotta e a capturing issue.

[@Rams3040]

The picture quality of Disney+ is great,but somebody needs to tackle the picture quality of Amazon Prime which has decreased drastically in the past year. The 4K HDR picture on that streaming app looks like 240p full of macro-blocking,posterization,shifting pixels and bleeding colors. Maybe it looks okay in a small phone,but on a 65 inch TV and projector it looks atrocious.

[@WarHog4ever]

Agreed. I recently rented the newer Planet of the Apes trilogy on Prime in 4K and was shocked at how poor the quality was. My player is wired to fiber internet, so connection wasn't an issue.

[@imhh11]

totally agreed.. Amazon prime 4K is so bad compared to the other streaming services

[@adumowumo]

It could be related to COVID. A lot of streaming services apparently reduced the quality or something of their services. KZbin and Amazon I’ve seen the biggest drop in quality on. The BIGGEST issue is NOW TV charging so much for their services and offering nothing above 1080p and even that isn’t supported on all devices, which is 2021 is an absolute disgrace.

[@ПавелПовх-з3у]

Thats a shame, amazon used to have best 1080p quality for movies, next only to blu-rays. POTA movies btw do not have native 4k even on blu ray, and on amazon prime I don't see ultrahd in their descrtiption, unlike grand tour or expanse. Amazon still gives best HDR out there providing hdr10+.

[@artschiloyan9101]

That's one of the reasons I couldn't really get into watching Prime. I really think Netflix and Disneyplus have a better picture quality.

[@r_bear]

Dang, I'm a bit sad to hear that conclusion. That being said, is it possible that we can yell at Sony enough to get them to pay for DV licenses for the PS5?? I'd like my supported discs to work with DV, at least.

[@shoopypit4884]

Honestly, 4k bluray looks better on my sony 4k player than my ps5. Regardless of which hdr it is

[@kachow5830]

@@shoopypit4884 what model?

[@shae1547]

@@shoopypit4884 what model?

[@shoopypit4884]

@@shae1547 the x700. I've only had intermittent issues with one 4k blu ray out of dozens played.

[@shae1547]

@schneper I highly highly doubt it, Sony doesn't wanna pay Dolby licensing fees. They don't even want the PS5 to have Atmos. Don't keep your hopes up

[@JesusMartinez-mk6fc]

Very interesting comparison Vincent. However, when comparing Dolby Vision (DV) source material from streaming services versus DV 4K Blu-ray as you did over three years ago with your video on the DV Apple TV 4K versus the DV 4K Blu-ray test; the 4K Blu-ray came out on top. The differences may be slight depending on the specific capabiity of the TV a viewer owns but they are visually noticeable nonetheless.

[@lolerie]

Apple TV DV decoder is shite.

[@BlindeEzel]

Thank you for the comparison. Apart from the picture quality, one is never sure that a movie will remain in the catalogue of a streaming-service. So for movies and shows like GoT, LoTR... I buy the UHD discs anyway.

[@albertreichenbach1558]

Well, streaming movies requires a satellite connection and compression. With Russia building up troops on their border and China threatening Taiwan, the first thing to go will be the satellites to cripple any response from us. With UHD discs, you have a 4K back up until satellites are restored. Now if they knock out our power grid also, we won't be watching anything...

[@biaccoo]

Two terrible examples there. Hbo owns got so it will never leave. Amazon owns lotr so it’ll never leave. Disney owns marvel and Star Wars so it will never leave

[@BlindeEzel]

Where I live HBO is not even available directly.

[@AndyGilleand]

Before watching this, my experience is: Better detail and sound quality on disc, but if streaming has DV, the DV version tends to have a better overall look to its HDR presentation.

[@RobertK1993]

Still inferior to high bit rate 4K Ultra HD Blu ray Dolby Vision HDR in streaming looks dim compared 4K Ultra HD Blu ray disc

[@AndyGilleand]

@@RobertK1993 That's a problem with your TV. The disc has the same color information, just more detail due to less compression. Same brightness, same highlights, shadows, and color, just lower bitrate.

[@apfelschorle1988]

The audio is a bigger problem for me. I just hope the streaming Bitrate will improve over the years.

[@AndyGilleand]

@@apfelschorle1988 In terms of how much compression is applied compared to disc, audio and video have a similar degradation in noticeable quality. The problem with streaming audio is the codecs that many streaming apps and devices require are very outdated, have maximum bitrates, and don't allow for lossless audio. We will need some pretty major changes to support that, while improving video bitrate can happen today.

[@ravf458]

So despite the DV hdr on Disney Plus, the HDR10 and solid bitrate from the 4k disc is superior. Knew that already, just wanted to summarize😉

[@DrVagax]

I am on the edge of buying a S95B 65" but missing out on Dolby Vision feels like a big loss, but seeing the comparisons the differences don't seem to be that bad, in your other video there is also barely any difference in Dolby Vision gaming vs HDR10. Guess Dolby's marketing did a good job because I did had the feeling I would be missing out on a ton of difference!

[@SagaciousFrank]

Get the LG G3 instead. The Sony A95L would be nice, but about £1.2K dearer.

[@echinas0908]

The worse the tv, the bigger the differences. Vincent and others have showcased that with modern TVs and recent content the difference is negligible.

[@Brickhouse917]

The S95B is insanely good. Dolby Vision is great, but you're not missing out by getting HDR10 and HDR10+ is also coming. Dolby Vision, IMO, is overhyped.

[@TheLegend-qj7wh]

4K UHD >>> Streaming. Always!

[@daraghmorrissey]

Great video Vincent. I was surprised by the conclusion but agree with you 100%. I just love the convenience of streaming. I built up an expensive library of DVDs when that format came out and as I travelled and moved houses, it was a pain to ship. I bought a Sony X900H a few months ago and the built in apps are just great at displaying content in Dolby Vision. Formula 1: Drive to Survive has some amazing shots in Dolby Vision for example. Where Blu Rays might have a slight advantage is audio (with other audio formats supported) - but more and more streaming is being delivered with Dolby Atmos. I must calibrate my TV - still using the out of the box settings.

[@adriannn3720]

4K Blu-Rays are drastically better with movies shot on film that have digital noise, as the lower bitrate on the stream causes loss of detail in grain scenes. And if you find streaming more convenient, you can always just rip your discs to a hardrive, and then put the disc in your garage or something. Works the same, but you are getting superior quality.

[@itsyaboytho]

Atmos audio bitrates on streaming services tend to be around the 768Kbps. This is lossy compression - meaning loss of quality versus the studio master. Discs that include Atmos tracks are the lossless version with no loss of quality versus the studio master. The bitrates tend to be in the 3000+ (I regularly see discs with 7000+ Kbps atmos tracks) Kbps range. This difference is hugely noticeable with the proper audio equipment to play and hear such things. The audio experience of a good quality audio track makes just as much difference as beautiful imagery and colors. Unfortunately, it tends to be the biggest afterthought to most consumers when it comes to home media.

[@BrieoRobino]

@@adriannn3720 unless you're standing 5 in from your TV and a constantly pausing looking for artifacts, you're probably not going to notice a difference. Not worth the hassle in my opinion.

[@TundraBoy69]

@@adriannn3720 I don't think ripping discs to a hardrive is convenient though

[@michaeldietz2648]

There is no comparison of 4K Blu-ray. A 4K Blu-ray will blow away any form of streaming, streaming comes in compressed video form a 4K Blu-ray is uncompressed this applies to sound as well, Believe me if you have the correct set up and you put on Dolby Atmos surroundsound from a 4K Blu-ray it is mine blowing compared to streaming.

[@adleneboulebtateche156]

The best comparisons are those made side by side. Thank you Vincent.

[@invisiblekid99]

Just the casualness of the innuendos is perfect!

[@professorlean3733]

Yeah I love his use of subtle humour 😂

[@ParadoxalDream]

Great content! I had been wondering the same question for months about streaming HDR vs Blu-rays. I wonder if you would get the same results (on average) when comparing other streaming services, such as HBO Max or Paramount+.

[@truecauseofchaos]

Great video! I do feel that audio is 50% of a movie experience and I've always felt that Blu-ray always has more "punch" than their streamed counterparts. Even DVDs seem to have a better kick than their streamed versions (older content).

[@deadturret4049]

Yep. And youre not imagining it either. Audio is the first thing to take a hit because such a huge chunk of a movie's file size is audio. With streaming, you're trading audio for visuals so that you can actually stream it.

[@issaciams]

Yes Blu ray audio is way better than streaming audio and its not even close so that automatically makes 4k hdr10 blu ray the winner for me since streaming audio is a lot more compressed.

[@Achy_78]

Keep the Bushes short for better contrast and viewing angles 👍

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

Better smell too.....

[@Apeshower]

Better pinks too.

[@MrZhilas]

Came across this comparison video while researching 4K Blu-Ray players. Its a really good video. I like in how much detail you go comparing streaming services and a physical players. I do appreciate how much work you put in to make video like this. If Disney + had all the films I like, I wouldn't even think about getting a 4K player. Unfortunately I am not a big fan of Marvel movies and movies like Hobbit, Martian, Mad Max, Sicario, Blade Runner, etc. is not available on Disney +. Getting several monthly subscriptions (Amazon, Disney, Netflix) just so you could enjoy your favorite movies will eventually cost you more than a physical 4K Blu Ray disc. And it is so nice to have those movies right there on the shelve.

[@bennyvermeulen7255]

Totally agree. When I’m in the mood for some particular movie, most of them I can pick right of my shelves.Movies I sometimes don’t find on streaming. And I’m not intending to get more streaming services, just to watch a movie. If I see 1 movie during a week it’s much. So streaming is for me expensive. A video store was the better option for me. I had periods for some months that i din’t watch Netflix at all. So I canceled it.

[@AndyGilleand]

I bet Mad Max Fury Road would have been a great example to test this out with

[@thatcherfreeman]

The 4k blu-ray for Fury Road kinda looks like ass though. They oversaturated all the reds and it looks super artificial.

[@AndyGilleand]

@@thatcherfreeman NO! You are so wrong. Fury Road is one of the rarest examples of fire actually looking the way it should in HDR. Another great example is Greatest Showman and Batman v Superman in the Knightmare scene. All too often does fire get blown out and washed out. Real fire is deep red and orange, and BRIGHT. Mad Max does it right.

[@thatcherfreeman]

@@AndyGilleand The Fury Road fire, specifically in the 4k bluray goes from a deep dark red to a washed out orange. The red parts are substantially more saturated than the rest of the scene and it's actually jarring how bad they look as they don't match the rest of the color grade at all. Plenty of the Amazon reviews of the disk agree with me and it seems like a clear mistake in the color grading process. I don't recall finding the reds offensive when I watched the movie in theaters and I have like every version of the movie on Blu-ray. The Fury Road UHD bluray version is a fluke in its poor quality, though the rest of the HDR treatment looks fine.

[@AndyGilleand]

@@thatcherfreeman A lot of people who don't understand what fire should actually look like agree with you. That's what fire actually looks like in real life. We're just all conditioned to seeing it blown out because of limited dynamic range, that this feels strange to see on screen. This is HDR actually doing what it was designed to do, and doing it really well. Theaters are not HDR.

[@thatcherfreeman]

@@AndyGilleand Movies have an artificial color grade in post, just like now the night scenes in Fury Road are blue instead of being a realistic night time color. As a result, the objective is for the fire to look plausible in the context of the rest of the color grade, not for the fire to be the only "realistic" looking element in a world that's unrealistically entirely orange and blue, if that means breaking the overall look of the color grade. In any case, most people probably found the reds in that release distracting and therefore found that this color grading choice distracted from the rest of the image. In my opinion, it made the flames look like a low quality vfx job that didn't match the backplate, and therefore reduced the believability of the image compared to the SDR releases.

[@naderzein2435]

Great video. I'd be interested to see the same comparison but with other studios then Disney as they are known to not have great transfers on 4k blu-ray in general. Rogue One is probably the most useful comparison here, that's an awesome disc.

[@cjsnowdon]

Sometimes you've just got to enjoy content The brilliance in detail in this review is undeniable, and I don't doubt a word of it, and from someone who loves tech, Vincent truly is the best around at critiquing (keep up the amazing work btw, I can't believe a major TV brand isn't chasing you for a techie roll) But if you enjoy the movie or show, the mere details of the disc, stream, DV or HDR10 codec won't be (and shouldn't be) worrying you. The fact is, what is being talked about here has got nothing to do with the experience. It's purely something video enthusiasts ponder over (and disagree over from time to time). What I like about Vincent is he's very fair and very balanced on this. You will notice this video is not trying to say one is bad, one is great. This is about the science and art of calibration. If you do worry about this, you'll always be worried theres a better experience out there. Thats true for over 99.99 % plus of the world, so you likely can't win that conundrum

[@maxweinbach3996]

Truth

[@EvoCarl]

Would be interesting to compare both these to the Apple TV /iTunes versions.

[@Dave-zk4fv]

Defo as I have heard Disney+ streams at 1440p whereas Apple/iTunes does it at 2160p

[@lolerie]

Apple 4k has rised blacks in DV.

[@schwartzy65]

i dont care about streaming quality since i love collecting films on my own collection... physical media on your hands is just so much better imo plus extras and nice releases like steelbooks etc :)

[@bighands69]

That is all fine and dandy until special officers come around to your home and seize the material that is deemed dangerous because it is supposed to be racist.

[@yviruss1]

+1

[@bingobaz6402]

@@bighands69 like that's going to happen 🤣😂

[@bingobaz6402]

Same. I never stream anything. Not usually but got an android TV a few, days ago. Going to check out these movies on Disney plus. Can't seem to get dolby vision from disc's for some reason. Only apps as I got it on the apple app. Which was crap as not many movies seem to be on there. Sounds like Disney plus is the place to go to experience dolby vision, if you can't get it to work on the uhd.

[@schwartzy65]

@@bingobaz6402 does your player support dolby vision? And not all bluray have that for some reason. But what i have seen the diffrence isnt really big at all imo and i can live without it easily

[@weaponx40]

Dolby vision on 650 nit oled vs hdr10 on at 12/1300 nit Sony/Samsung would be a interesting next comparison !

[@califagonian9839]

Agreed!

[@califagonian9839]

And with HDR Optimizer for the Sony/Samsung

[@unsungwindham]

This has been a question I've been looking for answers to for a very long time. Thanks

[@TeeCee247]

When you expect the bush joke on the first and get surprised on the second

[@AAFJohnBanks]

Nice video Vincent! I would like see such a comparison using the UB9000 and how the HDR Optimizer improves the HDR10 picture.

[@warreng5257]

Dolby Vision is just that much better than HDR10. It's still shocking some manufacturers don't add Dolby Vision to their TVs

[@dr.anthonyforgione4253]

Not on Lion King. See at 3:25: Dolby Vision strangely green, and faded contrast; while the HDR 10 Blu-Ray preserves the reds and blues, and renders better contrast.

[@halfvader8015]

Not necessarily. Moreso for cheaper sets though.

[@ПавелПовх-з3у]

HDR10+ is basically same as dolby vision, its a shame some copmanies do not utilise it.

[@Dave-zk4fv]

With DV a royalty has to be paid for being compatible with for e.g. a TV. Also mastering studios have to be authorised to use and master in DV whereas HDR is open source and anyone can use it. That’s why some are kicking off about the PS5 not having DV, Sony would have to pay Dolby for (I think) each console sold.

[@ewcho8995]

@@dr.anthonyforgione4253 Well we shouldn't judge hdr from a video, but regardless, the lion looks far more natural in dolby vision. HDR10 makes the lion look red

[@PUsokrJosh305]

Hey Vincent! I wonder if there was a way that you could do a comparison between Dolby Vision vs. HDR 10 with LG's DTM set to "On" but not pausing the movie? I have noticed that when pausing a movie, DTM shows a good difference vs Dolby Vision. However, if you let the movie roll and not pause scenes, I have noticed DTM is not as drastic and is very close to what Dolby Vision offers. The best way to see this is on Thor Ragnorok Chapter 16 when Valkyrie comes into the battle with fireworks. When pausing, the fireworks go from bright to dim thanks to DTM (but it's paused). Yet when playing the scene normally (no pause), the fireworks look bright and normal. To me, I feel like pausing movies inaccurately shows what DTM really does to the picture. Just a thought!

[@aardvarkansaw]

Here is another suggestion for a video you could do: Which streaming service has the best audio. My experience is that AppleTV has the best sound by far. I am not sure if AppleTV allocates more bandwidth for audio or if they make sure to choose sounds that will give the illusion of better sound. The positive quality that drew my attention to AppleTV sound is that often the decay of chords and notes into silence is always so extended and lucid and full of satisfying aural details. (USA streaming AppleTV.)

[@leonardo.martins]

Make a comparision between iTunes and UHDBD, please.

[@Kerrogann]

I hate that Disney is forcing the choice between color accuracy with posterization and compression artifact, and less accurate colors with a sharp image. I'll never understand their "it's too difficult to put it on blu-ray" excuse for not putting Dolby Vision on discs.

[@michaelhutter2160]

Still prefer disc over steam and Disney weird as most 4K discs with exception of Disney are in Dolby vision so disc superior

[@IV-A]

What about the panasonic hdr optimiser? Would like to see a similar comparison with that.

[@skewlkid521]

Afaik the HDR optimizer is still static tonemapping, and, in either case, the optimal setting for OLEDs and high-nit LCDs only tonemaps down to 1000 nits. So DV is still advantageous because it tonemaps dynamically and all the way down to the peak luminance of the display, meaning APL should still be higher in DV for the scenes Vincent mentioned.

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

That won't change the results of this video. Panasonic players bring out more detail for HDR10 content. The HDR Optimizer feature doesn't work for Dolby Vision. Physical discs still have better sound and higher bit rates.

[@alambe7275]

I didn’t even have to watch this video to know that compress streaming movies are not better than watching the hard disk movies ever

[@transfo47]

Dolby Vision streaming is better than HDR10 BD. If both have DV, obviously go for the DV BD.

[@RXP91]

The low light scenes in the lower bitrate Disney Plus did exhibit more dithering which introduces a green noise pattern on the c1 and upsets the colour intent though. Really was obvious on the comparison. Shame we can't just get access to high bitrate streaming services for a premium. And now that IMAX scope is a thing they've even started gimping the 3D Blu-rays with scope versions like Shang Chi. 3D Marvel Blu-rays were always 16:9/IMAX prior.

[@ricarva]

Great video, Vincent! One thing, though: I've noticed some inconsistencies (changing brightness levels mid-scene, dim picture, and now the blue tint pointed out by you) in DV playback in the Disney Plus app (LG CX), and am wondering if there's some tweaking still to be done to get optimal, consistent results with DV content from Disney.

[@TechWiz1983]

If you play it through Apple’s 4K TV, Disney+ looks much better than through the TV app. Not sure why, but it does on my 65” LG G1.

[@gagesaenz3864]

It's 2024 and this issue still persists with my AppleTV4K and LG CX. I'm not sure if it's Disney, Apple, or LG, but the difference in brightness from scene to scene drives me bonkers. Watching Percy Jackson and some scenes as straight up GoT level dark and the moment a subtitle hits it washes out all the color.

[@jaykay6340]

I've always found the physical to be superior, both video and audio. No micro blocking or banding, consistent audio (and various formats). Sucks that physical is becoming harder to find.

[@cesarbarroso7225]

Conclusion: the best version of Disney movies are only available to them in the studios. Mediocre versions only available to the consumer.

[@thepeddle]

My biggest takeaway from this.....unless viewed side by side.....Both will look fantastic......

[@Mopantsu]

Hardcore fans want to get as close to the directors intent as possible. But for your average viewer it's a non issue. But choice is always king and here we are being let down.

[@tygeezy]

I’ve been asking about this video forever! So many blu rays only get hdr10 while streaming gets Dolby vision.

[@TheMrawesomest]

It is a bit frustrating how many different options are out there for the same title. You have to hunt down the best presentation between physical media and streaming services. Between HD, 4K, UHD, and HDR.

[@LazyCrazyGuy]

@@TheMrawesomest there is no hunting. Physical media will always win no matter what.

[@ewcho8995]

@@LazyCrazyGuy clearly not for those movies. getting a HDR10 blu ray is not worth it if it's available in dolby vision on a streaming service

[@APOWER385]

@@ewcho8995 Look close again also he said it's superior even when you have 1gbit. Bitrate on blue ray too high

[@LazyCrazyGuy]

@@ewcho8995 streaming movies cost $30 -$40 4K Blu Ray movies go on sale for $12 or less . Along with superior bit rate and the best part that streaming just can't compete with is bit rate for Dolby Atmos. It is a night and day difference on my sound system. Streaming doesn't even come close. It's a muddied mess at best. Physical Media will always win for me.

[@stephenpatterson8056]

Would love to see this comparison but on displays with higher peak brightness. As he said, I think if this same comparison were being performed on displays with 1,000 nit+ peak brightness that there would be little to no difference between the two formats

[@warreng5257]

Which displays have 1,000+ nits and Dolby Vision?

[@stephenpatterson8056]

@@warreng5257 Umm, Sony LCDs, Vizio LCDs....

[@califagonian9839]

Or compare a quality OLED to a Samsung QLED like a 90R... or... ideally... a Neo QLED once he has access to one. This would be real world, right? Many consider the lack of DV on the Samsungs to be a deal killer. But is it really a problem with most movies?

[@warreng5257]

@@stephenpatterson8056 I guess my mind was thinking more about OLED tvs

[@warreng5257]

@@califagonian9839 I think there's a comparison for this already if you check deep into HDTVtest previous videos

[@matrixz6]

Please make a video on Player led Dolby Vision vs HDR 10. Thanks!!

[@pb24dagrk]

What about Player-Led Dolby Vision vs HDR10 with DTM?

[@THKJamesMaxx]

Wow, thanks for answering the question on a video! I didn't expect a whole video for the answer!

[@DerekBove]

Great to see a full comparison! I always felt like Dolby Vision gave me a more precise picture and I prefer it over HDR10. Colors seemed more accurate.

[@hammerjoe2008]

This is my issue with all these different formats, you say that Dolby gives you a more precise picture and my question is based on what? What do you have to compare it to that you know is is 100% a precise picture?

[@DerekBove]

@@hammerjoe2008 regular HDR10 has static metadata, Dolby vision is dynamic by scene I believe. While it could be picture modes (although I calibrated both) Dolby Vision vs. HDR 10 of the same content looks better to my eyes on my OLED. I can't scientifically state that it's more accurate, but I feel more confident in the content I've seen with Dolby Vision that it's more consistent than when I watch HDR 10 content.

[@hammerjoe2008]

@@DerekBove Thanks, I didnt mean to question your judgement or preference. But it shows my point that in the end this is all marketing ploys to make people spend thousands and thousands of dollars in equipment. The truth is that we dont actually know what is the 'real' color or what the director intended us to see because well we dont have access to the original material. I believe in the end all we need is a TV that displays the truest reds, blues and greens. We are being scammed if Dolby Vision and HDR do not produce the same result on screen imo which means that they distort the real picture.

[@King_Flush]

"I'ts not often I get to check out two bushes within a few minutes to each other" Epic, just epic.

[@lategamingwithiainjarvis]

Also noticed that everything that’s streaming is at 60Hz/FPS, vs UHD Blu-Ray which is at 24Hz/FPS based on the ghosting on the blu-ray when at 25% of Full Speed.

[@brantlisk786]

2 bushes!!! 😂😂😂 love it!!

[@arthurlongshanks]

Is it better to use the native LG webOS streaming apps (Netflix, Disney+, etc) on CX/C10 TVs, or is it better to use Xbox Series X or PS5? If using a console is better - which is the best out of XBox Series X, XBox Series S, and Playstation 5? Thanks a lot for your hard work Vincent.

[@hdmoviesource]

It's disingenuous to compare Disney 4K discs because Disneys transfers are bad, most of these discs are 2KDI. Disney has incredibly low bit-rates on disc also. Anyone that knows anything about video quality never goes to Disney on 4K UH Discs. They go to Blue Underground, Sony and Warner Bros. Quality is everything to me and Disney simply doesn't have it.

[@CarlMulder]

@Steven Lee They're reviews, use your mind and your own eyes, what do you actually think? For me it's easy to see that Disney 4K UHD Disc titles are poor quality, and anyone into high-end video quality can see this.

[@TWISTEDBULLET]

@Steven Lee Nobody goes to Disney on 4K Discs for quality, they stink.

[@hdmoviesource]

@Steven Lee compare a Disney disc to a Blue Underground disc. I assure you the difference is huge. Disney are one of the worse at making 4k discs look good.

[@SmoggySandwich]

I was looking for a new TV and was saved by your channel from making a bad purchase. Thanks for your great and informative content!

[@dOoMnX]

It looks like Dolby Vision has a greenish tint in all movies. Also saw this in the avsforum where a guy corrected it by uploading a unity 3DLUT. Any info on this Vincent?

[@Mopantsu]

It may be a mastering issue. I also noticed that some DV content can look a tad washed out compared to HDR. Either that or HDR having a set range throughout the entire movie causes contrast issues that create the perception of oversaturation.

[@bryr9997]

I prefer dynamic tonemapping on hdr10 content and actually find dloby vision content is simply too dark at default 'cinema' settings. Like legit gets so dark in some scenes it's hard to make out the images at all. I realize Vincent has fully calibrated sets, but the vast majority of folks won't have that. The most accurate dolby vision mode out of the box is cinema and it's too dark for the most setups and lighting conditions IMO. I actually prefer to turn on dynamic contrast to 'medium' or alternatively 'cinema home' preset with dolby vision.

[@mbins123]

worship the bitrates ! :)

[@Kevinb1821]

The player you have makes a big difference too. I was using an Xbox one x but recently bought the Panasonic 820 player and the picture quality is dramatically better.

[@leejones8067]

Great tech fuelled video as always Vincent. In my experience Disney+ isn't the best streaming service for image quality, I believe a comparison with Apple movies would produce different results.

[@milanklco]

I watched on apple tv + yesterday Suicide Squad 2 in Dolby Vision ; wow wow wow; not a second I thought Blu ray could do better and I sit 6" from 65" Sony A80J new oled 2021 model, it's epic. Honestly recommend everybody to check it in Dolby Vision 🙂😉

[@transfo47]

@@milanklco Meh. I liked the first one better.

[@milanklco]

@@transfo47 I am on the same boat with you regarding story line 😃😁 but I ment Dolby Vision HDR quality and picture, it's in 2nd part stunning 😋🙂

[@kibyras]

I don’t really care about the picture quality it’s not a big deal the big deal is sound. And when I watch Disney+ the sound quality is not as good as on the Blu-ray disc you have to listen to it very loud,. Any sound comparison?

[@eaz54]

I was wondering why he kept calling the first Avengers movie "Avengers Assemble" until I saw his movie box. Interesting that they named the first that way overseas while in the second Avengers movie the director wouldn't even let Chris Evans finish that line at the end of the movie so they could preserve the moment for Avengers Endgame.

[@marlowe1537]

@@GarethColquhoun Though certainly not as well known as in the UK, The Avengers TV show (well, only the Diana Rigg era; Honor Blackman was unknown in the US when Goldfinger was released) was pretty popular in the US as well--I remember watching it in prime time as a kid. And the show (which ran in the UK from 1961-69) didn't predate the comic by much, Avengers #1 was dated September 1963.

[@califagonian9839]

Yeah, I had to go straight to google. Then took a break for dinner. Thank God I ran across this reply before I spent even more time looking for a film... that I thought I had somehow missed... which looked eerily similar to one I had already seen several times.

[@jeromepinto9879]

Interesting but I would prefer having a look on differences between streaming dolby vision and bluray uhd dolby vision.

[@seanwilson9502]

Curry's in UK have the Sony A90J.... can' wait for HDTVTest to get his hands on it

[@andrewguy8599]

The posterisation is probably more to do with the LG TVs than compression, I don't see posterisation like that on my Sony AG9. Interesting video though, just goes to show all those who say streaming can't possibly compete with uhd Blu-ray are very much mistaken..

[@lolerie]

Or a bug in DV profile 5 encoder. Common. Or turned off dithering.

[@marcuscole8796]

Awesome video ! Wonderful visualization through side-by-side comparison, perfect analysis and explanations with even including the impact LG's DTM generates when using it. Nothing relevant is missing. Thanks a lot.

[@CodeMonkeX]

This is kind of annoying. First I was debating if it's worth replacing some of my Blu-Ray movies with 4K versions. I had convinced myself that it was worth it for the "best possible" picture quality. Now they are releasing Dolby Vision versions on streaming (which I personally think look better) but have more compression. So it seems like we always have to make a compromise somewhere. If I pay $25+ for a 4K disc I want the best version of the movie I can get. They will probably try and do another cash grab and re-release all these movies again "remasters" in Dolby Vision 4K at some point.

[@r9800pro]

Disney should rot in hell for not including Dolby Vision on their physical 4K releases.

[@DualReaver11]

BASICALLY

[@grantgoble1443]

Have heard of double dipping? I'm sure in 5 years they'll start rereleasing them in "Dolby Cinema Edition " or some BS. Mark my words.

[@richbleak3188]

@@grantgoble1443 I hope you are right. I'm worried that they are just going to stop putting out UHD Bluray in favor of streaming. As sad as it is to say, we are probably 10 years away from that being ok from a picture quality standpoint, but most people just don't care that much about PQ, unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong.

[@dandana5263]

Disney is trash. Don't give em your money. That's the only way they will learn and respect their customers!

[@grantgoble1443]

@@dandana5263 Disney ain't the only studio that does this

[@MicEffect]

Love my 900H for Dolby Vision. I'm OK with DV 60fps vs 4K 120fps on my XBOX Series X. The new update has been great and the screen is even brighter with the latest rollout!

[@wendriftwood1952]

Would be great if Dolby Vision dynamic metadata can be somehow "ripped/extracted" and then "side-loaded" to the corresponding HDR10 title.

[@blueversace4447]

Oh snap lol, that’d be awesome

[@tygeezy]

Ghostbusters iTunes vs ghostbusters 4K blu ray is the biggest difference I have come across. The greens in particular are more saturated and they also seemed to have used some sort of digital noise reduction. My guess is they did this because the film is quite grainy and that makes things difficult when trying to compress the film for streaming and avoiding artifacts. I think I prefer the better contrast in the iTunes version despite it being softer due to noise reduction.

[@iordaniskaravasilis]

I will watch because I like this comparison additionally the VILLAMAN did a comparison with Dolby vision versus HDR 10 that was really good as well.

[@JorisKeijser]

Thank you for telling us that you will watch this because you like it I guess? Lol

[@califagonian9839]

My vote is for a comparison between an OLED with your player of choice (Oppo?) running DV... and a bright QLED (Neo?) with a Panny outputting HDR10 using HDR Optimizer. In my mind, this is a real-world choice for those with bright rooms and concerns of progressive burn-in... who also require a fairly wide viewing angle... but also prefer good HDR and accuracy. Note: I've seen your DV comparison between a Q90R and an LG OLED where the OLED won the HDR battle, despite the added brightness of the Q90R. So I'm wondering how much HDR Optimizer will help on the high nit material. But things may change once you've gotten your hands on a Neo QLED anyway.

[@midevil1980]

DV on a Q90R?...

[@drdiegoeverybodyssomeone7247]

My bro!! Just want to say thank you so much for all your hard work and passion you have for your channel!! The blooming effect is my biggest disappointment I made with QLED 75 inch 2019..so I really appreciate the side to side comparison..this help me to make a better choice down the line!!! Much love and respect always!!! ..if you have any thoughts on something around 1200$ that is great for Netflix. Gaming ,and KZbin..im looking for those deep blacks with the least blooming effect..thank you..hope to hear back when your free🙏❤🙌🌹

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

Buy an OLED TV if blooming is your biggest disappointment.

[@drdiegoeverybodyssomeone7247]

@@PSYCHOV3N0M definitely what im going to do..I figure I have a qled and if I want to pretty much max out my experience for overall use I have to have both..much love thanks for the advice I appreciate very much 🙏

[@antosunna5787]

Please correct me if I am wrong. We can see the superiority of Dolby Vision when applying high brightness that depends on our device capability. While in the case of watching with low brightness or device with limited brightness capability, HDR comes to our aid.

[@Mike71712]

Got to check 2 bushes within a few minutes of each other!! 🤣🤣😂 LMFAOOO!! You the man!! 😜

[@marklouieadame]

For me hdr or dolby vision doesnt matter as both pop on my oled anyway the only dealbreaker for me is the difference between dolby digital plus vs dolby true HD and dts X and atmos. Big reason for me to still watch 4k blurays. You can even tell the difference on audio clarity ir crisp sounds even on soundbar

[@Skar200]

Interestingly enough I did a similar comparison between Pirates of the Caribbean using Disney+ 4k Vision and my 1080p non-HDR blu-ray. The colour tones were very different and I found myself liking the blu ray version more so than the vision version, the image felt clearer as well ironically. I was expecting to like the HDR version more at least in terms of colour tone, although I suppose Vision is closer to artistic intent.

[@gamestation2690]

The HDR version at least removes the film crew member that was accidentally left in frame at the very end of the movie.

[@Jut1911]

I have over 200 movies on Apple TV but for certain box sets, LOTR etc I bought the 4k discs. The sound quality, especially atmos is considerably better on disc.

[@AndrewB23]

I just picked up the Panasonic ub820 because I've been using my ps5 for 4k blu rays on my CX and it looked good but I wanted to be able to fully enjoy my new tv, I tried other players with DV but they weren't good enough to compete with the the ps5 hdr10 but the ub820 processor is incredible and actually shows the difference between hdr10 and DV. It's kind of pricey compared to other players but it's worth every penny.

[@samh5886]

A pity we cannot get the best of both worlds.. Would like to see some DV vs hdr10+ vs hdr10 comparison if possible. And is the dynamic tonemapping feature on TVs to be off then? Or the quality/implementation differs on each TV? There were always claims of how they should improve image quality by analysing each frame/scene and adapt accordingly to give the same sort of improvement for static metadata hdr that dynamic metadata give, that is they realtime generate these dynamic metadata in a way to speak . I understand they can never match up to studio mastered dynamic metadata quality, but the way it is phrased in this video, it seems turning it ON for hdr10 content give it a worse image than OFF?

[@diamonds972]

Amazing how good online streaming actually is those days, native disc is still better, but not by much.

[@Diode5]

Just like MP3 was never as good as CD audio, it's good enough that disc media pretty much is dead. Not to mention most people don't own a TV that's capable of showing off a good 4k Blu-Ray. Streaming seems to be good enough quality for most displays, with compression techniques getting better every few years, and easily upgradable in the client software.

[@TheInfiniteDraw]

It depends on how sensitive you are to streaming compression artifacts. They're unbearable on certain shows or movies, even with fast connections.

[@EM-ks5my]

Teoh is shilling too much for Disney. Netflix has better bit rate and their movies have less artifacts like posteriazation and blocking.. Disney is just subpar.

[@scopeofjustice]

@@EM-ks5my This is why I'm really excited for Sony's Bravia Core service with PURE-STREAM which is supposed to be able to hit 80Mbps. I'm definitely looking to pick up an A90J when they release.

[@robertt9342]

4K Blu-Ray is more about control than quality.

[@methlokaijufan9729]

Panasonic DP UB420 bluray player connected to a Philips 43M6 monitor and every time I'm watching something in HDR mode the colors are dull ,washed out almost desaturated . Nothing like in your video . I really don't understand why .

[@latinochico]

The problem is your Phillips monitor

[@VideoHussain]

Personally, I'd rather take a pristine HDR10 image than a artefact-riddled Dolby Vision one. The Dynamic Tone Mapping on my LG OLED does enough for me that I'm not mad about missing out on the dynamic metadata of DV. Maybe this is because I'm so close to my 55" and a pixel peeper. But the compression artefacts combined with the woefully compressed audio have me choosing the HDR10 Blu-rays.

[@Mark-EFMB-Combat-Medic]

3:40 "...It's not often I get to check out two bushes within such a short time of each other..." I am now SUBSCRIBED.

[@Optimus-Prime-Rib]

That “bush” joke! 🤣

[@edwinrijos6679]

Is this after using the HDR optimizer on the Panasonic ub420.? Or without using the feature

[@SnowBob302]

Awesome comparison; no way to do it right besides side by side as you do. This was a question I’ve always thought about myself. Given that there are advantages for both, streaming still wins out for me personally in terms of price and convenience. I grab DV movies on iTunes usually for

[@JuanDiaz-jo1rw]

I know this is an old video, but I'm confused in to why you didn't mention HDR+ over HDR10 Content. When HDR+ is turned on, on Samsung TVs it actually gives you even more detail, more highlight details in bright and darker scenes. It also allows you to use Bit.2020 over HDR10 Content, which looks on par with Dolby Vision after proper calibration. HDR10 calibration won't be the same calibration for HDR+.