He HACKS And FLAMES??

[@RudeTetra]

He peeks reds expansions, for a good player that's a peek into nothing, for a bad/new plaer thats a peek into "what could he possible build on an expansion slot"

[@Domnictv]

Yeah,.. but Zerg can only build hatcheries and extractors at expansion spots. You learn that pretty early on in SC2. It's not even worth a screen peak.

[@samuel.andermatt]

@@Domnictv so to hide tech from a map hacker, drop creep with an overlord on a expansion spot and build the tech there. Next level mindgames.

[@justinkotobi3936]

I think it could just be that there's a blob on the map at that spot, which could be army or a hatchery

[@Demic25]

These fog peaks are clear as day

[@JoshT4life]

For real. Idk why Harstem can't see it lmao

[@santrichuumonster]

@@JoshT4life Oh he can see it alright, its just he likes to give the benefit of the doubt as should others need to be doing in today's era, people believe everything they see without the full context and believe only what they want to believe and it's disgusting.

[@cobble3231]

I think the 12:04 moment was 12:40 (baneling peek) that you missread or KeyTeslas misswrote

[@ArtOfDying1029]

This might be it, but I was thinking he waited until the reinforcements were almost there to back off on the fight, turning off fog as the caster kinda makes sense here lol.

[@zheta42]

12 : 40 (14:50) was also when he popped out to kill a nydus in the fog (was some creep but)

[@myq723]

Yes that's the moment I meant to note. The prick A-MOVED right over that baneling/nydus spot with no vision.

[@lucassonzogni]

Very nice :) You should create a "suspicious dial" (like a pressure dial) evoluting during the replay :) Thanks captain

[@cyrusposting]

this is a hilarious idea. The Harstemeter

[@WonderingWanderer88]

@@cyrusposting *Hakcrstemeter 😅

[@canadianbakn]

My favourite part of this series is Harstem's change in tone when the guy blatantly screen peeks and he knows he can go off on them lol.

[@lad4694]

Through the hackers and the flames

[@DuncanMacBurger]

2780 APM incoming to play the song on SCII? :D

[@brictit]

XD

[@disieh]

Pro-tip for KeyTeslas or anyone who struggles with battle mech, always go for infestors. Especially on Dia2 level. Roach-ravager-ling-fungal and avoiding the urge of "must end the game now" so you don't bleed unnecessary units.

[@MKu64]

The issue with that is that the infestor has been nerfed a fair bit (range primarily an issue for mech) so it makes it more difficult to catch the long range mech. Note I'm M/GM but I still find it much more difficult vs T in the latest few patches. I do agree the infestor needs to be in play.. I just don't think it solves all of life's problems given the difficulty in it's use particularly below the highest levels. Personally I think the infestor should be a mainstay and had the potential to be a fantastic unit, but for whatever reason, the strange balance changes have meant it's just not always a viable spend of resources. If it had a reduction in unit size, or increased range on fungal growth, or the ghost was nerfed, it might bring the infestor back as a primary unit.

[@chir0pter]

Sus timings in-cast timing: 1:12- hack fow peeks then waits for ovie to come into vision before attacking it 2:16- wants to chase the ovie, then cancels and pulls back marines bc he can see approaching units on minimap 2:55- overlord peek thru FOW? Harstem didn't pick up on it 3:00 harstem comments on lack of knowledge on timings by hack 5:05 hack peek thru FOW at approaching roaches 5:22 hack moves his units through FOW to attack lings 6:00 floats wall buildings, then ventures out, harstem suggests this is only logical if you know no new reinforcements have arrived 6:50- harstem complains about poor resource balancing from both plays, then perhaps prompted by the soothing chords of Terran 4 7:39, he suddenly changes his tune to praising terran 8:50 obvious FOW peek, but now Harstem is favoring terran for some reason? 😆 The music really reset him _9:16__ At least Harstem admits to himself that the lings were FOW-peeked_ _9:27__ Harstem copes about it allegedly "not being easy"_ 9:30 hack drops mules while rallying all units to the zerg army he can't see _9:34__ coping_ 10:15 hack instantly moves his army to where zerg has just started a hatchery 11:03 another FOW peek at a just-started hatchery, for some reason Harstem calls it "at nothing" 11:14 FOW peek at just-taken base again 11:21 switches to looking at his army just before lings move into vision _11:28__ Terran sleeper agent reactivated_ 11:52 hack moves into opponent base as he knows army is elsewhere, although this doesn't quite require hacks since he's being attacked, but "an odd call" _12:23__ sleeper agent x3_ 12:48 hack FOW peeks at the ovie 13:05 suddenly repositions his army and then burrows his mines because he can see the roaches about to attack. "It's called _anticipation_ " _14:33__ sleeper agent x4_ 15:04 FOW peek at scary baneling morph _15:23__ sleeper agent deactivated_ 15:43 FOW peek at waiting army, moves to attack 15:56 another FOW peek _15:57__ post-deactivation debriefing_ 16:04 another FOW peek at locusts, moves to engage 16:14 FOW peek at ravager morph 16:17 back to pretending he doesnt have maphacks 16:44 FOW peek 16:50 FOW peek 17:04 it's a nydus (notice in between he cancels an add-on lol) 18:37 rallies his army to a nydus he can't see Think the point has been made. Harstem you made this harder than it needed to be lol.

[@DissarayJay]

i really cant see it, he is making god awful choices for someone with a map hack, hes constantly trading badly, i think you're grasping at straws and wtf is sleeper agent??? i can't tell

[@chir0pter]

@@DissarayJay Are you actually serious on any of those statements you just made. wtf

[@demonlemon6454]

@@DissarayJay He's a platinum or gold player with hacks lol, he wouldn't be in diamond if he were actually good

[@IIIReptarIII-TCPH]

​@DissarayJay You sound like a hacker defending a hacker. If you can't see how clear this was, especially with it ALL laid out. Every SINGLE fog peek was DIRECTLY on his opponent..... You're sad, sad, sad.

[@demonlemon6454]

@@IIIReptarIII-TCPH He's probably just low league

[@loganmyall660]

Harstem never ceases to forget that hackers are playing at an inflated MMR, and that they aren't making mistakes early intentionally to throw off people who might think they're hacking. They're just that unskilled.

[@hinney827]

13:05 burrows those mines _right before_ the roaches are in vision

[@IIIReptarIII-TCPH]

Sus, sure, but he did just pop a Nid a few seconds before. I'd have burrowed in a choke point also expecting an attack.

[@hinney827]

@@IIIReptarIII-TCPH a Nid? He knew that stuff was coming there. Moved his army into place and burrowed mines right in time.

[@IIIReptarIII-TCPH]

@hinney827 Yeah, a Nydus Canal. You can hear them. I'm not saying he didn't know they were coming. What I said was it would be a normal move. I know, I know. People only play the way you think. otherwise, they are cheaters or cheeses because you can't think otherwise? Yes, I'm aware he was cheating. It was super obvious by the Ling peek. What I'm saying is that the move you pointed out isn't proof.

[@hinney827]

@Hakunaa2010 if that was an isolated move in a higher level game, sure, it wouldn't be proof. In this situation, of course it's further proof. People can only play the way I think? Why are you pseudo defending a clear hacker while trying to flame me?

[@IIIReptarIII-TCPH]

@hinney827 Because your comment only stated this one incident? Also, it's diamond, so technically, they would be in the level where that is their level of play. I'm just going off your original comment. It added nothing to proof, but you felt the need to state only that.

[@gressorialNanites]

Is nobody going to mention KeyTeslas' overlord count? Dude hit 200 max supply with 109 actual supply! (at 9:30 youtube time, 8:37 in-game time)

[@MKu64]

You can never have too much potential supply.. it's like having a theoretical win.. if you had plans to be great.. that's half the battle won I'd say! 🙃

[@MilanKovacs-kc8ik]

I think there were two peeks that you didn't notice, one with an overseer being next to his base (he might have saw the overseer going into that blindspot, but if he knew it was there, why did he just stare where it was), and there was another peek to a nydus network next to his base

[@soniccboom92]

The 8:04 peek was responded by rallying his entire army to that location, you might have missed it El Captain.

[@trev6783]

at 11:10 he peaks the hatchery, then goes to take it out.

[@messomix]

Captain, you missed two peaks @16:42 and @16:51 - exactly, where the nydus networks are spawning in a couple of seconds.

[@chir0pter]

he missed a lot

[@shtdisturbance]

"All hackers are bad" - You only catch bad hackers, you only get bad hackers videos sent to you. I think some hackers are bad and the real question is how many hackers are good? We will never know....

[@beastierbeast5569]

survivor ship bias

[@weaintfoundsht]

​@@beastierbeast5569this is a selection bias

[@sakesaurus]

Well once you hit GM league as a hacker I'd argue you get wiped by the intern

[@lite4998]

Spoken like a bad hacker that feels called out.

[@polygondwanaland8390]

​@sakesaurus1706 if even OW has hackers in top 5 despite having three whole interns to SC's one intern...

[@ethanhalloran7562]

Can you do a bgmwss where you pretend to be a hacker and screen peak randomly around the map, pretend you see stuff coming, and then react to it? Surely it’ll work once by coincidence and be hilarious

[@Markfr0mCanada]

This hacker probably would have gotten away with it if he hadn't BMed. Our submitter was mad about losing and being BMed, checked the replay hoping the guy he was mad at was a cheater and got lucky.

[@manrommav9240]

I think if player tie-hacks, you can be sure that he map hacks as well, and maybe using something else. It's always a double-deal, like aimbot+maphack in shooters

[@mglegacy012]

As soon as he peeked the roaches it’s confirmed. The odds of doing that randomly are basically non existent. If I see that, I’d need to watch multiple games to prove someone is NOT hacking. The reason for “oh he wasn’t in position for this” or “oh he’s not making the right units to deal with this” is because he’s just bad at the game and not fast enough to keep up with everything. But when the game slows down, you see the screen peeks and the army movements start to come back

[@lmao_nope]

3:00 I mean, if you don't think he's aware of any timings is it not a factor in favour of him pulling back from lings that are unlikely to exist just on a basis of "eh, let's play it safe"?

[@Glioper]

I was expecting: "hack hacks and cyclones are not imba, it's KeyTeslas who sucks" *stamp sounds*

[@FinhBezahl]

It'd be pretty interesting to see you 1v1 other good players in a custom map where only you is granted maphack vision

[@MKu64]

Harstem is already at the level where he vs' the top 20 players fairly regularly - giving him map hacks would almost certainly mean a win.. kind of pointless. One of the best way to win in SC2 at the high levels (or really any level) is having map vision - a full understanding of what you need to do to either counter, defend or win. At the highest level, it's like a free win card. At the lower levels, they often just aren't able to capitilise on the benefits as much.

[@sashamakeev7547]

2:15 i'm not a SC2 player, just watching a tonn of videos, BUT I would've thought there "Oh maan, they have to go aaaall the way around?? Nah lets go back."

[@mothrahlurker788]

While this isn't the highest level, someone at dia2 should know 100% of the time what the pathing of the marines is going to be and the player did in fact click on the lowground 2 times before retreating them.

[@LeoUli-qs3rk]

How is there ANY doubt left in you after the peak at 4:58 (gametime)????

[@MKu64]

A single peak is suspicious but can sometimes be coincidental... not enough to send a person to the backrooms. But yes, this game left no question.

[@aussteigen]

Love this series!!!!

[@kindle7440]

Harstem calling out hackers is top tier content 10/10

[@zheta42]

not a single scan to 12:15 so far

[@SvetlinTotev]

The first google search suggestion I get when I type "starcraft 2" is cheats. I would assume a very large fraction of all the players are using some cheats. And map hacks can compensate for a lot of player incompetence as the outcome of this game very heavily depends on the information you give and get. You also have to consider that cheaters try not to make it too obvious. That's why this guy waited for the overlord to come out of the fog of war while staring at it. To make it less "obvious" that he knew it was there. But in the heat of the moment the hackers would slip a lot more.

[@ZerglingLover]

That’s interesting, because going onto a freshly made account on Incognito, the results for googling “Starcraft 2” don’t include any cheats whatsoever in the first 3 pages of Google. It sounds like you were shown what the algorithm expects you to want, which means that you’re probably whining about hacking quite frequently. Or are searching for hack clients, but that’s less likely.

[@LinchZhang]

one of the most memorable cases of BM I've had was when a guy randomly accused me of maphacking after he lost the game. It was really bizarre, he said he looked at the replay and I looked past the fog of war but honestly I still had no idea what he was talking about. Plus he kept going. Sounded rude and very entitled for like 15 minutes before I finally blocked him.

[@MsHojat]

8:49 that's not "kind of weird" that is a smoking gun. Those situations demonstrate map hacking even if it was the only suspicious thing in the entire game, let alone when combined with other (previous) things.

[@IIIReptarIII-TCPH]

This, 1000% this. He first roach peeks, and then a random peek on 4 lings... That's what I'd say is a nail in the coffin... He didn't A-move there, he wasn't moving an SCV there, nada.

[@scfno6950]

he fog peeked the lings incoming and then braced his marines up against the depot just before they hit

[@Deto128]

I'd bet that most hackers just don't care enough to hide that they are hacking. I mean, what's going to happen to them if they are caught?

[@tooManyMidgets]

holy crap this is a high tier map hacker analysis

[@ethanleventhal9434]

You should host a MapHacks tournament so you can flex ur hacking-comp knowledge

[@Marque734]

"All hackers are bad hackers" might be a reverse survivorship bias.

[@WonderingWanderer88]

The paradox of this series is that, the better it get, the fewer hackers we will have to get content from 😅

[@ddenozor]

He never scanned until he decided to clear those 2 creep tumors towards the end. Peeks, moves into position and doesn't even scan there. Obvious.

[@rancidplatypus]

I still feel we need a map hack test run, see how strong it is. Harstem vs Serral but with map hacks. See how strong it is.

[@GrzesiuG44]

Video idea: Best of 5/7, but each Player can have map hack for one map (no idea if there are modded maps that have such option though) . If opponent guesses which map it was, he gets a win for that map.

[@mothrahlurker788]

Yeah the imbastarcraft mod has that as one of its many options. From playing with that mod vs GMs I know just how insane it is to have maphack if you don't have goldleague mechanics like these hackers.

[@angel373bcn]

Imagine peaking diamond while having full vision of the map 🤣

[@asharak84]

Not sure why the marine not gonig to the ovie at the start seemed not-hacker-ish - gonig there straight away means the ovie is likely to get pulled back and be safe, letting it get deeper makes it more likely to die. Honestly waiting longer would have been better though.

[@luxon4]

i actually cant tell if harstem is trolling. this dude makes peeks multiple times which would be 1 in ~15,000,000 to get them all (product random indep events), and then says "hm i wouldnt have taken this fight, so yeah i'm not sure". like what? how are those two things even comparable from a math or logical perspective.

[@Zhienerich]

Have you considered getting a custom map where one player has full map visibility? would be fun to see a actual good player "hacking"

[@RaininVdM]

Not Sure if this has been asked before, but did the terran even use a single scan for scouting purposes? 🤔 Or scout at all without his cheats/Hacks?

[@nathanstretch]

It'd be fun to consider how best to play against a (suspected) hacker. You can't surprise him, but your fundamentals are probably better. So I guess just play a safe and solid macro game, maybe with a lot of multi-tasking?

[@grandroyal66]

Next challenge: A losing hacker

[@megustAslagt]

I think some hackers have gotten to the level they are with hacking. Meaning that maybe they really are just really bad at making calls, even when they do have full information.

[@samdan7873]

no hello to creatures of the sea? :P

[@K3rriganZerg]

It was pretty obvious he was a hacker 😂

[@expepem189xl3]

At low lvl play we dont understand resourses at all, heck i wanted to mass hydra against carriers in 2v2, so i were out of gas the whole game, till i started floating minerals(

[@FollowTheCloud]

I encounter hackers nearly everyday

[@courageousmelon5654]

Please make HHH a weekly episode.

[@progamasEjogos]

HHH - harstem hunts hackers

[@kugeltmg]

Bad plays aren't evidence that someone isn't a hacker. If anything, bad plays are minor evidence that someone is a hacker. Hackers will look worse because they're playing above their true league; so, they don't have many of the skills that are expected at their level. I appreciate the high-bar for reporting someone; but, you should at least be suspicious the first time someone looks at something in the fog of war.

[@lite4998]

How delusional could Harstem get for 15 minutes until he accepts reality? lol

[@GeminiShadow]

Out of curiosity, why not a transition to lurkers?

[@b189126]

how do you draw in starcraft2?

[@NedSchneebly-eh7kh]

For example a player has stalkers, but no minerals and no probes, but has buildings and the Terran opponent floats their bases into the corner of the map where they cant be destroyed. Both those scenarios would end in a draw.

[@b189126]

@@NedSchneebly-eh7kh I understand it's a draw, but how can you technically ofer a draw in game?

[@NedSchneebly-eh7kh]

@@b189126 I don't think you can. I believe the "Hacker" in the video cheated somehow to get draws, instead of losses on the ladder stats.

[@Scartay2]

@@b189126 The draw offer appears automatically after such a stalemate. I think its like 2 minutes after the stalemate has been reached but dont quote me on that

[@Cheng798536]

Is that possible to become a gm as a hacking diamond player by just be very good at covering?

[@fishlobs]

thanks harstem

[@vulkandrache1928]

This terran was was not even that bad compared to some stuff weve seen in hacks and iodis. Why would he even bother hacking?

[@M0rchaint]

Are hackers IMBA or do I just suck?

[@AlexanderDietstein]

Calling some one a hacker for downloading and running a script is like calling a guy that switches on a light bulb an electrician.

[@14mwh014m]

more like calling a guy that build a house in minecraft an architect: context is key my dear EDIT: better wording on your part, thanks ;) they prolly should be called cheaters instead

[@OldSpaghettifactory89]

awww did harstem get your account banned for hacking? poor thing

[@IIIReptarIII-TCPH]

​​@@OldSpaghettifactory89I think you misunderstood. You should read slower. He's saying hackers have hacking skills. He is saying calling them a hacker is to glorifying. What he is saying is this is the equivalent of getting take out and passing it off to a date at your home as if you can cook. Is it clear now?

[@JoshT4life]

Harstem is really bad at finding hackers. It's so obvious when he panned over the roaches. No one fucking does that.

[@jimdelsol1941]

99.99% sure he is hacking.

[@AmericanNationalists]

Avilo be like

[@htomerif]

roaches need buffed. more speed and damage. also shoot up and able to fly would be nice. and splash. maybe storm too just because.

[@demonlemon6454]

factz

[@dfsdsfsdfsadfdsfa223]

170apm is pretty average for dia 2, surprised he also hacks

[@kmurphy0620]

I was convinced at the peaks through the fog of war. I think it's only for show that Harstem tried to act like it wasn't easy. It's very annoying.

[@landerszutyk]

I never missclickin to the map. I dont care about the map in the fog. If you click to an enemy unit. 100% hack.

[@MrDNE1000]

There's a book called "Peak" by K. Anders Ericsson that describes how time spent into something or innate talent isn't as important as specific types of practice. It outlines how you need to practice with the goal of getting better. It's probably why all hackers are terrible at the game.

[@TheZigZiggy]

You may not get the reference to his name -- KeyTesla. Keying a car is where a person takes out his car keys and walks by a car he is jealous of not having and runs his key non-chalantly down the body of the car leaving a long scratch mark in the paint. Evidently he is jealous of Tesla owners. Turds that do this should be punished in some manner but most get away with it.

[@mothrahlurker788]

"jealous" hahahahaha. Yeah it is a crime, but you're getting mad at a silly nickname. Most people with a brain hate Tesla owners for supporting a white supremacist, not because of any jealousy.

[@zacharylohner]

damn how can I get first if there's already a comment after 1 min

[@tarvoc746]

That's the neat part, Marc. You can't.

[@Skorpyotnt]

Harstem is the worst at looking for hackers. Misses half of the moments. Tries to frame himself into the "hacker perspective" while having literaly 0 understanding of hacker's mindset. Expects good moves from hackers which is stupid from every possible angle. At first hackers usually are very bad and worse than their league opponents in terms of skillset. Second is that doing best calls from maphack info is just giving yourself 100% away which some hackers at least try not to do. This is just plain stupid and painful to watch.

[@AldiePezeh]

7:08 "The KKK wants you" major WTF?

[@tarvoc746]

...what??

[@kugeltmg]

oh, the clan decal by the zerg's base says that. I assumed it was something in chat and wasn't sure how I missed it.

[@ZerglingLover]

what?

[@onyxthedark]

surprised you're the only one pointing it out. wtf

[@sylvariatzaka]

Imagine how fragile an ego you must have to cheat in a game and then brag about winning. Turbo-losers.

[@leleonloeleo5714]

Maybe a series in which you will install hacks and try to beat top pro players like Serral or Clem ?

[@kugeltmg]

Harstem has made content using mods (in custom games) that provide maphacks and other benefits (super powered units). Using the actual hacks probably disqualifies you from pro tournaments, regardless of the reason you did so.

[@expepem189xl3]

Wtf is this zerg doing, one or 2 fungals and you get all enemy cyclones, i mean he is cheating so you probably wouldn't get it, but damn, 18 minutes and 0 infestors as zerg? You asked for a lose.

[@tambaz2276]

@Harstem I belive that these videos are wildly irresponsible. Please can you stop this series? It's really going to increase the amount of hackers in the game by a lot. You're really bringing so much attention to maphacking, how easy it is to do, and raising how much people think about hacking in the SC2 community. So far, Hacking has not been a huge problem in the SC2 community for no other reason than it's just not that popular among the older RTS audience. There is no other defence against hacking, other than people just don't consider doing it. This series is getting thousands of potential hackers, who don't even actively play the game (Average amount of games played per week of your audience is Zero) to think about hacking. It creates the idea of "Well, if people are hacking then I may as well do it too". Not to mention, when people watch these videos they may think "Oh, that looks fun, I want to try that" and their curiosity will get the better of them. ESPECIALLY because this series is saying "If you hack, then you might get to be on your favourite youtuber's Channel!" "If you want to be on youtube and have a whole video dedicated to you, then just hack!" "Hacking, the easiest way onto Harstem's youtube Channel" "Do you want to get attention and have Harstem talk about you for an entire video? Just hack!" Look at how many people send you IODIS complaints just to get on your videos, and now you're giving this opportunity to anyone who's willing to download a maphack. Please just replace this series with more IODIS videos. Right now, the only thing that's stopping hackers from making SC2 unplayable is that most people just aren't motivated to hack, just haven't considered doing it or don't know how easy it is. This video threatens that and could contribute towards the game being killed forever. Please consider what I'm saying

[@tambaz2276]

"It's so easy to be a good hacker" - Harstem 2024

[@CrichtonVidz]

tired of these AI thumbnails my dude

[@demonlemon6454]

I like them, get owned

[@MN-gp1oo]

the ai art thumbnails suck

[@Timthetezter]

Hey Harstem, long time viewer and fan here. Please dont use AI generated thumbnails, it is made by stealing from your fellow creators and artists. Hope you stop using them❤

[@Valok]

then stop using art by other artists who got inspired by other astists art and learned from them.

[@genesises]

@@Valok not even close to the same thing lol, that people like your comment is almost a bit depressing. if you ever put in hard work into something and create a product that has value you will understand.

[@Valok]

​@@genesises inspiration is just the biological name for copying someone elses work. just goes through a somewhat different process. the underlying basic principle is exactly the same. bold of you to assume i never put any hard work into anything. i draw since i can remember. just because i notice the similarity between AI learning and how i learned, doesnt mean i am a lazy ass who never did anything myself. way to discredit your own opinion ...

[@DissarayJay]

i'm not seeing it, hes god awful, if someone had a maphack hed make way better movements, not a hacker

[@demonlemon6454]

Oh, it's hack

[@TheOtherSidra]

First