He Played h4 Before it Was Cool! || Levon vs Magnus

[@MrBaumGeo]

I love how one of the sections is called "Me Rambling" 😂

[@TheGamingPalace123]

Yeash from 1:13 😂😂

[@Zawnpuia1640]

It's not rambling😂it's good words for me

[@TheGamingPalace123]

@esp ele r/woosh

[@tmspironic6422]

Pretty accurate assessment …

[@AFastidiousCuber]

Part of the reason I don't like seeing an engine evaluation in these videos is because it can often be misleading even when correct. Sometimes the engine will give a significant advantage for one color, but only because it sees some extremely complicated engine line that no human would ever find and, from a human perspective, the position is closer to equal.

[@qazzaqstan]

That said I'm never sure when something is so gross the super GMs are unlikely to find it because as far as I'm concerned high level chess is already witchcraft and they calculate insanely long lines as long as they are "forcing".

[@AFastidiousCuber]

@@qazzaqstan When two engines play, and the game is decisive, the evaluation will tend to very steadily improve for one color until the advantage is overwhelming. When humans play, even at a high level, the advantage will tend to bob back and forth. Pick almost any game covered on this channel, and the engine will find many missed opportunities from both players. Sometimes the strongest moves are just hard for humans to make sense of.

[@qazzaqstan]

@@AFastidiousCuber that is very much the case, but at any given point it is hard to say whether or the the super GM will see the top or effectively top engine move until they either play it or don't. In fact it seems even commentators seem unsure a lot of the time. Complicated "equal" games are definitely an issue though. There an engine might say the weaker side is "fine" but any human will just have trouble holding in the long run because they just need to play much more accurately for much longer and eventually clock becomes a factor.

[@johannchin6431]

Engines are very good at defending. Humans not so much. Even super GMs crack under pressure, especially in shorter time controls. IMO it is more important to create practical and active play vs top engine line against human opponents.

[@iturner1387]

Levy often says the engine is dumb or knows nothing and often times he's probably being sarcastic but my assumption here is that the moves that are evaluated as not-as-good might not be as good against another engine, but are probably very useful against humans, or for the human playing it. There's a certain level of intuition with chess moves that aren't simply calculations.

[@saulbadman5705]

I love how antonio just says "he wants to check if Magnus wants to blunder the game on the spot" in such a deadpan way.

[@Endothermia]

Timestamp: 13:50

[@matthiasbaumann5745]

I wish I could decide against blundering lol

[@ryanflanagan9624]

great encouragement kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6ncpqmapMSGoMk kzbin.info/www/bejne/bn62qqutpbqCd80

[@beargrylles]

I first read the quote as "wtf is educated insolence" -Aristotle

[@saulbadman5705]

Lmao same

[@daviddurbin3249]

Lol. Totally different than the intention of the quote

[@GAMINGWITHCHINAR]

but really, wtf is educated insolence

[@commanderbacon6426]

@@akifii2541 I think it meant that’s someone who is witty is someone who is educated, or has a lot of knowledge, but is actually an insolent person, or someone who is a fool. It’s those kind of people who try to sound super smart by making witty jabs at you, but in reality they are just stupid.

[@amauryleblanc7979]

"use the force Harry!" -Gandalf, in Star Trek.

[@stuartbarber7414]

"he wants to check if magnus wants to blunder the game on the spot, but magnus decides against it" is killing me

[@wynoglia]

The best moment of the video arguably

[@levborisov8590]

It also seems that if Levon were to capture on h5 directly, Magnus would take the knight on f8.

[@DjWeasehog]

@@levborisov8590 he can take the knight, but then Levon can just save his e1 rook and he's still up the exchange with a killer passed pawn on f7. The knight move is nice though because it guards the queening square

[@mizofan]

a dangerous website

[@daviddurbin3249]

I prefer the way you currently present as opposed to adding an evaluation bar

[@amartyab4u21]

When did he add a evaluation bar?

[@scottybassman]

@@amartyab4u21 did you watch the video? There's a whole section about people asking for an evaluation bar and him not using one

[@daviddurbin3249]

@@amartyab4u21 he didn't. But lots of people were asking him to do that

[@mubaraksenju7521]

I love the “Me Rambling” section is my fav! Thank you for explaining that.

[@Acc-nt5dp]

I understand why you don't include evaluation bar but i think showing how much time the player had left in every move would have been so cool. Especially in blitz and rapid games.

[@notnotalwen4891]

Up

[@goose5462]

Thats a good idea.

[@setiasianturi]

good idea, but need a lot of editing time. doesnt matter blitz, rapid or classic, the point is how many move.

[@a.m.armstrong8354]

Some ppl are never satisfied.

[@faisalal-bandar6680]

Great idea.

[@dam-n]

I appreciate your presentation very much. Thanks for the consistency and continued effort

[@agadmator]

Thanks!

[@Krossceeper1234]

The videos are definitely made better without an evaluation bar!

[@nihalsatbhai6257]

I don't want engine evaluation, I am interested in players' idea and execution, besides I love pause the video moments. ❤️

[@frederikpeters7353]

That was a really impressive Game. Magnus got outclassed here

[@markrobertson3054]

Because the opening is very bad , as he won the event be just casually played

[@lakshyatyagi9924]

@@markrobertson3054 You know the difference between a champion and a normal person? It's the word 'casual'.

[@neeladrimaitra1737]

how do you come back from missing mate in 1? You mercilessly take down the world champion of course

[@brianlittrell797]

Missing the checkmate in 1 was probably a wake up call for Levon to up his game and prove he's worthy of his rating and title.

[@K1tsune__]

"He wants to check if Magnus would blunder on the spot but Magnus decided against that" xD

[@TheDrHamish]

Engine evaluation bar destroys chess commentary

[@hungha8590]

6:20 Levon has seen too many of my videos :))))))))) We agree that your channel is awesome, Agad, so many GMs have watched your clips lol

[@bc_7644]

That seemed like a joke to me. Which gms watch his content?

[@hungha8590]

@@bc_7644 It is actually a joke :D

[@kbeeps141]

"Grape picking action with the family" That's the good stuff.

[@MrIraqyforlife]

what exactly do that mean ?

[@Headhunter_212]

I heard it as “ great picnic action”.

[@kbeeps141]

@@Headhunter_212 works for me too

[@MrBaumGeo]

I'm so early that people haven't started quoting Sun Tzu yet

[@kaminoyami30]

"you are always on time" -Sun Tzu probably.

[@tornado100able]

@De CertifyAll50 They still quote him even after his death... Can you believe it?

[@milton5417]

😂😂

[@dodekaedius]

"Always watch out for b4!" - Sun Tzu

[@PJJ196]

Antonio you don’t have to answer to the dweebs who complain about a engine bar.. ur the best chess KZbinr on the platform.. you have more followers then the top 10 chess players in the world combined.. ur content is perfect

[@a.m.armstrong8354]

Better to sort them out after dealing with family matters.

[@nedmerrill5705]

Good game. Don't let the engines bog it down please. Agadmator's banter keeps it lively.

[@zariftahmidshoeb3487]

I absolutely love Levon. He’s games are always such a treat and more often then not very attacking. He’s also one of the greatest super grandmasters ever to exist with the 4th highest elo ever reached, 2830. Would love to see more of his games in this channel in the future. Winning or losing, he always pours everything into his game.

[@Vahe345]

Good comeback from Levon. He didn't get frazzled by missing the one move checkmate and beat the champ!

[@tonywo2735]

Everything aside, I enjoy the game more without the eval bar. I can focus more on the game and his analysis.

[@jx14aby]

I hate the evaluation bar. I think it's juvenile - always asking "Who's winning? Who's winning?" Just watch the game and see what happens.

[@expertbits5636]

Thank you for the explanation about the engines and using/not using them during the videos. Much appreicated.

[@devsharma9769]

The reason I love this channel so much, there's no bigger fan of chess than Agad himself. :) He's just helping punies likes us.

[@Orion-zq8jf]

Wholeheartedly thank you!.. for putting in the time so we don't need to see (and wait for) the evaluation bar in the vid.

[@a.m.armstrong8354]

Before engines there was no evaluation bar in the library..

[@krisss42]

#suggestion I think I don't mind the evaluation bar to be present, with minimal depth. However, you could also have a vote for us to decide whether to show it or not. Personally, I don't mind either way, but I like it to be absent, since we'll have to think for ourselves about the position and I think the introduction of engines evaluation during a recap like this will reduce the fun a bit.

[@puriatabari7176]

I just wanted to say I really like agi, and everyone in the chess community

[@suvarnanaam]

We totally love as you are ..... we enjoy loving Agadmator channel and your videos make our day

[@F_Gozzi]

Really happy I spotted the ”unspottable” move! Feeling like an engine atm😎

[@curdit9]

You should make a shirt that says, "I am the evaluation bar."

[@a.m.armstrong8354]

I evaluated the bar.

[@curdit9]

@@a.m.armstrong8354 even better

[@n.g.9307]

The effort you put in is amazing, that makes you the best chess youtuber. thanks agad

[@sahali14]

13:51 best part lmao

[@FloydMaxwell]

Agadmaor chess videos are very special and unique. Glad you don't have the eval bar in your videos, Agadmator.

[@drone231]

It's always nice to see Magnus losing once in a while :)

[@kelemenaron2]

I don't know why you like it and like your own comment

[@drone231]

@@kelemenaron2 I like it because it rarely happens and I did not like my own comment lol

[@orenstein4637]

@@drone231 he lost to artemiev, radjabov as well

[@mmmt]

Me too 😂

[@thefighterinhades]

It just shows that Magnus too is a real human player, and not Alpha Zero in disguise.

[@canoli72]

“A pun is the lowest form of wit. It is therefore the foundation of all wit,” Henry Erskine

[@truthandlove0]

Agad, I enjoy your rambles sir 👍

[@alexescajeda4012]

agadmator has achieved his final form for presenting/recapping matches. No need to change it, that's the good stuff

[@mattriarchal]

b4 went from being the start of evan's gambit as the greatest opening To just being the best move in absolutely any position HAHA

[@CosmicPhilosopher]

Remember, kids, when in doubt, b4 is the answer.

[@gregorymorse8423]

Agadmator, you could precompute all positions at high depth before recording. Just cache PGN->eval and use software to instantly retrieve it. You could get someone to develop it for your setup. Very useful for video creators. Chesscom uses it for their analyze feature at a low depth. Not sure it's important addition as the main content of your videos does not require it, just an extra feature for fun

[@NONO-hz4vo]

The engine bar explanation was well done.

[@turtle752436]

Good presentation. I had Qxp on the 2sec pause as the definitive defensive move, also considered the Nd7+ attack but i didn't expect the Ka8 answer. I was calculating with Kc8 as the answer, and then sacrificing the knight for another check, to expose the white diagonal the King was on to then check with the Queen, but always the mate in one that black had, remained, so i would have to take the black h pawn and then what? I had lost a knight. So i would have played Qxp which was the right answer but expect it to be wrong. Usually when one move away from getting checkmated people try to check or manouver with checks Anyway i agree on no evaluation indicator with you Agad but for different reasons. Any game between professional players the evaluation would be really minimal in how it changes and only interesting in new lines, so that is that much space wasted on the screen. But really changes are small. And although i believe u can prepare a 30 move evaluation, the reality is that players dint calc that far. Probably up to 15? But still its a bad indicator because it very much depends on what is played. It can change abruptly. Its very volatile, so as such its going to become idiotic too when exchanges happen, perhaps. Anyway highly volatile indicators do not offer anything but worry and misinformation because high volatility means the game can go either way which is true. A better indicatir would perhaps involve weighting available lines of play with the unltimate evaluation at a certain depth including the branches so that one could asses which the most stable line of play is that risks the least upset in an advantage, if one would want that. But I suspect players would avoid stability if they are losing, they would want to open the possible (legal) lines of play and increase (thus) volatility, whereas cold calculating players that are wining would want to follow stable weighted lines, kinda like Fritz plays, mofo makes u wanna quit by strangling you. Anyway please no evaluation indicators.

[@chaosmassive8627]

13:12 it is scary that Antonio can read my mind, because RxNf3 is what I would play in instant.

[@HarshPatel-bl9ym]

From the point of time Magnus knew he won the event his performance dropped massively.

[@svhuwagv2965]

Regarding the evaluation. I treated myself to a Threadripper 3970X over a year ago and immediately used it for leela, stockfish and later (and now) for fishnet lichess analysis in cold months. Anyway, Agadmator once posted a hard chess puzzle and someone in the comment section wondered how the best continuation was. I plugged the position into stockfish and after 30min it reached depth 80 and sometimes 90. So I let it calculate the first move for 30min and then the next and so on and after 12h the position was solved in my opinion. As a sidenote, even at that depth the first 3 top lines changed quite a bit. So let us get Agadmator a Threadripper so he can treat us with double the depth or double the videos while investing the same time =)

[@ezy_accounts]

Agad: evaluation bar consumes time, unable to define depth level and also limit what-if possibilities Carlsen: thank you

[@danscottolson]

I'd like to see the clock during the video. i'm sure that would be a tough addition, but it would be nice for evaluation of the progress of play.

[@davidwhite2949]

Very good decision, and explanation, about the evaluation bar

[@matijabanjan3960]

I personally like evaluation bars, but your videos are like telling a story about a certain game, evaluation bar would fit in the spirit of Mikhail Tal :D

[@williamgoss4691]

Brilliant game, great analysis, thanks Agad

[@juliatruchsess1019]

I agree, an evaluation bar would be an unnecessary distraction. Don't mess with your successful format!

[@joshpinchuk7061]

Love the fascinating explanation of the engine evaluations.

[@Hereson]

6:20 B4! 😂

[@Isthatthegrimreaper170]

It took me a whole minute to find the move Qxh5 just looks ridiculous at first glance

[@antonpirulero9343]

Antonio, I agree with NO use the score bar. I preffer not to know the objective evaluation of the position.

[@themind1401]

Absolutely, the future will show that, b4 is the best move overally!!! In every situation 👌👌

[@tharunthejtata3528]

Full free to pause the video haha this dialogue makes me to stop eating lol. One more thing about this man is he maintains the same dialogues and same voice.

[@selenasilverstep7981]

the white King and his Queens just chilling there on the top-right corner

[@zariftahmidshoeb3487]

I also don’t like the eval bar for that exact reason however I think showing the current ELOs of the players during the games shows how strong these grandmasters are and let’s you be the judge and comprehend why some moves might be missed by them.

[@joshuajosh6304]

There was an easier way to win for Levon, wasn't there? From 12:52 he could take the night to e6. As the rook from d8 can't move so from e6 the knight would have captured the rook from d8 (if he moves the rook it is even easier, just move the queen to h8). If not, the pawn would go to f8 (make it a queen) and just move the knight from d8.

[@michaelhart7569]

6:20 In my travels around the internet, I'm beginning to think I've got the hang of this game. Never play f6 and always play b4.

[@AcapellaUnfiltered]

Besides Levon, Simon Williams or the GingerGM should also be considered an avid advocate of h4 before AlphaZero era. Harry the H pawn has won him many games.

[@craigbiddle7255]

Bent Larsen wrote a book called "The Strategic and Tactical Significance of Rook Pawns" in the 70's.

[@gor818]

Much love for showing love to Levon!! He deserves it!! ❤️❤️❤️💙💙💙🧡🧡🧡

[@NLTops]

I'm glad you don't have a depth-15 eval bar on the side. I'm not here for an engine evaluation. We can all take any game and get an engine to crunch the numbers. We're here for your analysis. Pointing out sneaky traps or poison pawns or operational bishops. It's teachable moments like that that help us improve our understanding of chess. Still, it was interesting to hear how much data you yourself gather for the videos. So just do you!

[@cr0mag732]

I prefer the lack of evaluation bar

[@valentinl6644]

Thanks for the info (why there is no evaluation bar). Always enjoying your videos:)

[@reid1710]

I would like to suggest the game between Mikhail tal and Alexander Koblents 1961 in Riga, Tal with the white pieces. Theres a queen sacrifice in this game ( just so you know what game is this) #suggestion

[@dombowombo3076]

Is there even a Tal game eithout a queen sacrifice? :D

[@reid1710]

@@dombowombo3076 lmao

[@julianfeldman1603]

Agadmator alredy did that game i think, but its a really old video

[@reid1710]

@@julianfeldman1603 its different.

[@balazsio]

fun fact 1. h4 is The Kádas opening, named after Kádas Gábor Hungarian master

[@dsa0decoded]

#suggestion We don't need evaluation bar we need clocks to see how much time taken by both players on each move - Hope you consider this

[@michaeldurrant9719]

Definitely much better without the evaluation bar. "Pause the video" is all the evaluation we need 👌

[@martindegaard1444]

Regarding engine evaluation: what you are saying is that engines are "too slow" in their evaluation. But why then in all online games we see the evaluation bar. Your statement can't be further from fact. #suggestion 1) include evaluation bar realtime while making a video 2) show fide elo of both the players below the picture. 3) bring some variation to break the monotony of the videos. 4) upgrade and thrive for continual improvement.

[@aliceconisburgh3078]

I would rather agree.

[@pacharro_sn]

Engine

[@narayanans2636]

Missing the sorcery series and the hoodie guy. Please do a few. #suggestions

[@0wenfox]

Great game ty!

[@motithapa3803]

Great content. Would be even better if you can show the captured pieces on the side. Thanks

[@killerems]

Grave digging action with the family

[@Xplora213]

I DO NOT CARE about what the engine thinks. We are watching a video of Antonio’s commentary. I can follow engine AI suggestions etc without a human interaction at all. I have been following Agadmator for years for HIS views.

[@anttinurminen9879]

Could you add the # of the move to the videos? "As of move X it is a completely new game" is very enjoyable, and having the move count would add a bit excitement.... audience trying to guess when would "as of move..." happen?! How far could it go, where's the record?

[@CJayin]

Who in these comments are giving this man a hard time? These videos are perfect the way they are

[@Yankzy]

Analysis on the side will just murther remove human factor, they can use the engines themselves. What I would like to see is the captured pieces above and below the players avatars so we can easily calculate the pieces

[@Nickfitzpatrino]

I'm so much happier without the evaluation bar. Let's just enjoy the chess and think for ourselves

[@kaytiwari6018]

Agadmator is the only evaluation bar we need

[@panda4247]

I believe if you dobtge analysis before recording, the evaluation bar wouldn't jump up and down all the time, it would remember the analysis. At least lichess does so ("request computer analysis"). That being said, I think we don't need to see it. It would be a spoiler for our own thinking about the position. Also, when one of the players blunders, you tell us that it's a blunder. It really does not matter, if the bar went from +0.7 to -2.4 or from +0.9 to -2.2 If it's a big blunder, like mate in 4 or what, you tell us as well. And we can find the best move without having the spoiler that it's a mate (M4) or just a pawn grab (+1) or tactic winning a piece (+3 or whatever)

[@subhodeeeep]

he play h4, b4. It was cool

[@lp4969]

Agadmator will always be the #1 chess youtuber ❤️❤️

[@Swishead]

An evaluation bar would be distracting. The time players have on the clock would be useful, I don't know how easy that would be to add though

[@coreyburton8]

And the Evaluation Bar clearly shows Agadmator is winning

[@okamisansempai557]

Beautiful thinking for Levon, great game

[@Zikuth]

That a section is called "Me rambling" is amazing

[@chuckmoody3446]

I am very thankful and respectful to everyone who is not becoming upset with Gotham chess suppressing Agadmator both of these gentlemen have enhanced chess to all of our enjoyment let us continue to reach out to one another in the name of good chess and sportsmanship and respect and knock off all the trolling and the attacking it serves no purpose and does not support chess or enhance our chess enjoyment

[@schwebor]

Grape picking? Will there be an agadmators choice red whine?

[@montetanktankkiller700]

I like this running gag with b4 :-)

[@5844able]

Ek Number 🔥

[@NlCKED]

Can you maybe put the pieces each player has captured at the bottom

[@1.4142]

Showing the engine evaluation can give you an illusion of understanding the position. You think more critically without it.

[@archirayanmondal5408]

From super gm misses mate in one to beat the world champion। That's the good stuff। Like agad says😝

[@janmullervena7753]

incredible game. Keep doing chess videos until i die pls.

[@tabularasa9576]

Death is scary brutal dark

[@Robi2009]

13:10 _sees Antonio grabbing rook_ Me: yes, Rxf3! Antonio: "NOT rook captures on f3" Me: oh ;(