"He's Better Than Pep!" 👀🔥 | Klopp Special | Simon & Souness | Episode Nine

[@rustyspygoat4089]

As a Dortmund fan, Klopp got us to the Champions League Final. Forget about the Premier League side of things. He is still a legend in my eyes.

[@karlanthonymargate7362]

And as he said, he has a bow and arrow both at BVB and LFC. His opposition had a bazooka.

[@richy_B]

Klopp is a legend for the football his sides play, for his character, for the fact he won every single trophy there is to win. A PL title and a UCL title and has had three 90+ points seasons against the best side the league has ever had in Man City (who also happened to break the bank & rules in order to get there) Klopp is a legend, cos he will be remembered forever by everyone

[@johngriffiths7361]

Didn't LFC hack City's Internet ?

[@ikennanw]

Well said.

[@raoulhery]

Remember one thing : Klopp succeeded with only the 4th budget in the league on salary. Way behind City, United and Chelsea for all those years.....

[@AnthonyAylmer]

Richy b he's won one league title ....legend really

[@SylvanPaul]

Klopp got 3 years before he succeeded because Liverpool were finishing 7th and 8th for multiple years. There was demonstrable progress. He got them to the Europa League final the first season, then back into the Champions League in his first full season, and then to the Champions League final in his 2nd full season. Then they won it the following year. Won the prem the season after that. There was no realistic expectation he would win anything in those first three seasons.

[@JosephAsamoah]

Did they not finish a year before that under Brendan?

[@lfcgero35]

​@@JosephAsamoahrogers had gerrard who left liverpool at the end of that season.

[@FountainOfYoot]

⁠@@JosephAsamoahlol exactly. They had recently challenged for the league 😂

[@jacknapier6668]

@@FountainOfYootwe sacked Rodgers in November time. Started the season awful. The season before we were awful. The season before that we challenged for the title. The season before that we were awful. The season before that we were awful.

[@bartman01021988]

@@jacknapier6668 are you forgetting the 2 recent seasons under klopp where liverpool were awful?

[@steve-marsh]

Safe to say BOTH legends. But I think Klop has the edge on Pep. He develops players more (eg Robertson) and has the charisma to make players WANT to play for him. Pep buys players who are purring along already and keeps them going.

[@garrycopeland6149]

It's not just trophies won. For me what makes him a 'legend', besides his football genius at all levels of the club, is his humanity, the love players, fans, the community and the city have for him. Klopp takes good players and makes them great. Total legend!

[@perrynagpal5351]

Brilliant video! Klopp is definitely a premier league legend and one of the best managers ever 🔥🔥🔥

[@matthewdoyle3877]

ONE PREM TITLE IN 9 YEARS?????????? Keep smoking

[@perrynagpal5351]

You forgot 1 champions league title too…he’s got 90+ points on 3 occasions and been to 3 champions league finals…he’s had great Man City and Real Madrid teams to compete against

[@vincentfinnis5369]

❤

and the holy grail champions league pepe had all the foundations already laid and fa cup and league cup 4 major trophies@@matthewdoyle3877

[@SylvanPaul]

If he wins it this years he’s def a legend. Also, he’ll always be remembered alongside this era of City. You can’t tell the story of two of their titles without him and Liverpool. Probably the two greatest title races in prem history, which is in and of itselt legendary

[@rustyspygoat4089]

Yes, the title race with City and Liverpool has been epic. These are two legendary squads in the context of Premier League history

[@paulmurden7621]

Stevie's slip didn't cost us the title imo. We lost points to too many other teams before that.

[@Robsy1962]

I think any legend has to have success and longevity which is why Joe Fagan is sometimes overlooked in that category

[@HorwichWanderer]

Jordan looks like an 60s KGB spy

[@brianshockledge3241]

His take on the "best" manager in the prem is just as old fashioned.

[@shroommcfanta2020]

Yes he does

[@nuncaolvidare4895]

Well he's "mi guapo, para siempre"❤❤❤😊

[@monkeytennis8861]

Gammon Joe 90

[@Salacious-Crumb]

Joe 90 more like

[@elbmw]

What they are missing about Klopp is that he made Liverpool competitive and challenging for titles again. In a just and honest world City would have been relegated for their FFP rule breaking and alleged cheating. Klopp would have won more if it was not for that.

[@mosespelican3507]

Thats not very smart… Chelsea built their success the same way, no one says wenger would’ve won more leagues if not for mourinho… FFP isn’t fair in the sense that united is allowed to spend billions on the back of SAF success yet smaller teams aren’t allowed to get better, point being all managers in history had certain challenges… klopp is in no worse position than wenger facing SAF and Mourinho

[@m6dn]

@@mosespelican3507 it is different, Wenger never got the second with over 90+, even there was no Mouriniho, he was still behind the Alex

[@mosespelican3507]

@@m6dn Mourinho won the league in 2004/2005, the runner up was Wenger… hence the point that wenger could argue that he also lost a title to Mourinho… 90+ points can’t be translated to mean much because you play the competition, for example last season as soon as city guaranteed the league last season they stopped fighting for the league and got less points overall cause the aggression stopped, So my point on the 90+ points can’t be translated because if the standard was 95 points to win a league that’s what SAF would’ve tried to do, but the standard was 85 points so that’s what he did… for example in the 2004/5 season Wenger finished on 83 points… in 09/10 united won the league by 80 points, you can’t then say Arsenal would’ve won that league 😅

[@vincentfinnis5369]

Klopp is a Legend, that's for sure. YNWA!!

[@bobuk161]

With Klopp, you could see the team on an upward trajectory from day one.

[@bartman01021988]

But 1 of the worst prem defences says there were big dips. Bloody ole finished above him ffs

[@Salacious-Crumb]

Say that about Unai as well

[@MrIrishscouse]

​@@bartman01021988 Only once and even then utd were a distant second to city. Liverpool came out of a dire run of form to get Champions League football.

[@Andy-p2u8s]

I'm just happy we got to see two world class managers go head to head , lets just appreciate these two managers and whst they have done for the modern game. Pep might struggle next season when klopp gone because klopp was pushing pep to be better and vice versa.

[@fabioluisi9607]

If klopp isn't a legend than no one is! He won everything with Liverpool in 7 years.. faster than pep and Ferguson! He played 3 champions League finals, 1 European league final, he finished twice behind city for a 1 point, he reached 3 times🎉 90+ points and look with the budget he done it!!!! ..common

[@bartman01021988]

And had 1 of the worst title defenses and didnt make champs league this season.

[@bartman01021988]

And net spend is only 40 million less than peps 🤦‍♂️

[@alistairsmith5389]

I find it laughable that Pep is even compared to Klopp. Pep’s not even close to being anywhere near as good as Klopp considering the differences between the two clubs! One did it with 115 charges the other did it with none. The end.

[@bmostert]

Don’t bring Ferguson into this, Klopp not even in the conversation if you compare to Ferguson. Klopps been there 9years now, Ferguson had won 3 leagues by then, 2 of which were doubles! Arsene Wenger has better stats than Klopp, and he was competing against the best manager to ever exist in the Premier League so stop using Pep and Man City as the excuse.

[@brianshockledge3241]

@@alistairsmith5389 Get to the hospital immediately that bang on the head could be serious.

[@johnbrown-wi6zy]

The pair of you always has good content and truth, i think you guys are becoming good friends,good true friends always speak their MIND! keep it up guys. loved the decent is an UNDERSTATEMENT HAHAHAH.

[@spungebob2498]

Take Liverpool past managers for example. Everybody in Liverpool would put Shankly over Paisley. Paisley won all those European trophies etc. But the reason is Shankly got Liverpool back and created that winning mentality that was carried on by the next managers. Similarly Klopp from a hopeless position Liverpool were in when he arrived has created a culture similar to what Shankly did. He imo is up there with the greatest ever

[@maxking3]

And he did this with a balanced transfer budget for the first 3-4 years. Add two Bundesliga Titles and two DFB-Pokal trophies and he has 3 league titles and 3 national cups in the Europe’s Top4 leagues, 3 Champions League Finals and 6x runners-up in the league with clubs that had less than half the budget of the winners. Looking at Pep on the other hand is like playing Football Manager with an infinite money cheat code…

[@jaypenfold490]

I think we need to take into account the fact liverpool have been up against a man city team that had anything they wanted regarding funds for players to always strengthen and were finishing on 97 points & 94 points behind city and with that they came within a whisker of the quadruple and was in three European Cup finals and that's over a period of 9 years

[@ЯнкоАрнаудов-е5й]

Klopp is Premier League legend without question. He won everything, absolutely everything. If we take away European competitions and focus only on England or even Premier League. Klopp until this season has 3 season with 90+ point (only Pep has that), Klopp has 2nd longest unbeaten streak in PL 44 games to Wenger`s 49 games, but during his streak Klopp won more points than Wenger`s streak, that is legendary. Klopp has streak of 38 games with only draws and only wins, nobody has done it, it is legendary, Klopp would have at least 2 more titles if it was for the 115 charges of City. Klopp comes and take terrible club in the middle of the season and lead ti to 2 finals, first full season gets, second full season gets CL final, 3rd full season wins CL and wins 97 points in PL, 4th season wins PL with record margin, all that is done with money like a middle of the table team. Klopp saved the PL, if it wasn`t for him it would look like French league or Bundesleague.

[@shroommcfanta2020]

What Kloppo achieved is way ! above of winning trophies! He will never walk alone

[@ctrldelete1763]

It's an opinion. Fans will move on once he's gone. I doubt history will remember Klopp like it remembers Maradona, Alex Ferguson, or Zidan whether people like it or not.

[@Donatello-br4fd]

​@@ctrldelete1763thats why fergie was worried when klopp arrived so to be endorsed by ferries is something... didn't he turn down united ??

[@adamangler]

Klopp is the modern day Shankly. It's not just his ability as a coach that make him a legend it's his personality, passion and connection with the fans. He's second only to fergie in the prem era of legends and that's only because man utd at that time where the biggest financial force and didn't have the competition klopps livepool had. He's won cl, prem league, fa , league and world club cups. He's also been to 3 other European finals and 2 seasons over 90 points without winning the title is unheard of. He's absolutely a legend.

[@vincentfinnis5369]

❤

[@brandonthorpe8124]

If he thinks klopp is better than pep but he doesn't think he is a legend how can that be

[@sandeepmann2642]

I know right

[@ctrldelete1763]

This is the problem in today's digital world. Reality is no longer objective it's subjective. So you could argue that water doesn't boil at 100c at sea level despite it being tested and proven. When perception overtakes reality integrity is that of an out of date egg.

[@Frank-1978]

The points total speaks for itself 👍

[@juvielndlovu7707]

U nailed when you say Liverpool is klopp.... klopp developed and raised his team to play..win or lose like him....cause when klopp wins he celebrates with passion when he loses he does so with grace....

[@nattyswede]

The reason I think Jürgen Klopp gets legendary status is for what he has done for Liverpool FC. He has resurrected the club back to iconic status. The fans love him and he is a strong profile in English football. Anyone that did for a club what Klopp has done for Liverpool deserves legendary status.... He has won all domestic trophies and the CL and is a front runner in this year´s EL race. And the club World Cup... If he wins the EL, he'll have won every competition there is to win with Liverpool. If that doesn't give you legendary status, I don´t know what does...

[@jkmb5758]

Technically he has already won every trophy available. The Europa League is a consolation / participation trophy for those that don't qualify for Champions League. Otherwise, even if he wins Europa League trophy, he would then still need to win the Conference League.

[@netecrivernetecassassins2945]

I think you're a legend if you define an era. Trophies, whilst they mean a fair bit, don't mean everything. Creating an atmosphere season on season, performances that are titled historic classics, and an environment that inspires the future. Thats what makes a legend IMO.

[@octagonmixltd]

Liverpool defended their title poorly because of FSG. Klopp is a true legend of Liverpool. Considering City who went on a spending spree and currently on 115, klopp would have one four Premier League titles in my opinion.

[@PRCOM]

These conversations better simon and souness are outstanding 👏

[@Stalefish6]

ALONSO!! He worked as trainer at Bayern Munich and now Leverkusen….he can…ohhh he can…would that be great and in 8 years maybe Steve G can take over😂😂

[@RastaSaint7]

I watched and loved liverpool football since I was a boy and Barnes was tearing up the left flank. I boycotted the team the last4 months of Brendan Roger's Era because the football had no passion. That is what Klopp brought was passion and good football from day 1 till now. Lost a few, had a few bad patches, but we always played passionate good football that you can watch and feel. That all comes from the Coach.

[@tomratterman8713]

3 CL finals in 4 years. Twice he took the premier league to the final day with 90+ points. Won Liverpool first EVER Premier League (the earliest it’s ever been won btw) 1 FA cup and 1 League cup. Need I say no more

[@kalvds9345]

Klopp on his first day said be patient, wait 4 years.

[@vincentfinnis5369]

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and he won the and chamipons league dozens of managers gone to otherclubs and spent a fortune and won nothing he he transformed liverpool with less money and brought millions into the club to have 2 major rebuilds on the stadium people forget that as well he has worked a miracle spurs united or arsenal would bite you hand of for what he has done

[@kalvds9345]

He built something very special at Liverpool alright.

[@ChrisJones-py3jm]

Im a man utd fan. I have to say yes to legendary status "club level" The man has won 11 major trophies with dortmund and liverpool. Hes been runner up off countless off cup finals also!!! just fallen short over other legendary managers. And hes done something that even the great pep has not done and secured promotion with a championship bundesliga team. So you can say hes conquered and completed club level manager. Think he should try and conquer the international stage now. Same goes to pep. And others "jose" etc.

[@kevosullivan]

Jordan glosses over losing 3 finals. That's why he will never get us. The journey we've been on is what we love klopp for.

[@DerekTJ]

Klopp's achievements aren't just about trophies. Qualifying for CL was initial remit which he's done from season 1. Apart from the actual league they won, the points tally from two other seasons would have won the league over many other winning points tallies.

[@jan-florianege9013]

For me, a legend doesn't need a full trophy cabinet, but the courage, sincerity, and pride to go their own way against all odds and make a lasting impact on people. Muggsy Bogues never won an NBA title, Bill Murray never won an Oscar, and Eddie the Eagle never even won a flower pot, etc. But, for me, they are also legends because they tread different paths than anyone else. Because they are prepared to fail magnificently. Because they take the difficult path, not the easy one. Because they touch, move, and inspire, rallying people behind them. Because they don't put themselves first, they put the cause first. For these reasons, for me, Klopp would be a legend, even without great successes.

[@really-america]

As a city fan, i believe Klopp is a legend, he would have won everything if City had not been so dominant.

[@joewhite22]

Would Liverpool have been as good without Pep raising the standards though? It was only when Pep got City to 100 points did Liverpool have to raise their own game in order to compete.

[@rra6033]

@@joewhite22could say Pep had to raise his game because of Klopps team. Pepe has achknowledged this

[@joewhite22]

@@rra6033 Maybe but Pep was the one who raised the standard first to an unseen before level by getting City to 100 points.

[@Eric4075]

Great to have a City fan put their 2 cents in talking about legends🤣

[@Eric4075]

@@joewhite22 the only thing that matters is winning not points or whether you are a loser finishing 2nd or 20th! Enough with excuses and reasoning for being an also ran.

[@thegamerabdull8820]

As a Liverpool fan and Klopp fan we don’t need this type of talks. Pep after the CL we gotta respect his name and how he changed the English football same goes to Klopp how he has changed that mindset and the English football heavy metal football how Arsenal are playing now

[@Alfredromeothatsme]

Not a Liverpool or Arsenal fan but Klopp and Wenger are both legends to me. Agree with Simon that Liverppool would be interested in Ange but Spurs would never let him go.

[@KedroMxv]

Klopp is a club legend. My definition of World class is top 2 at your position.

[@williamwallace1097]

Simon looks like the milky bar kid

[@chidimadu2649]

Wow!! That's going back a bit!!

[@manpreetbrar838]

He's too red

[@JamesWilsonMD]

He's strong and tough

[@Salacious-Crumb]

Joe 90

[@onlythetruthformeandyou]

Simon failed to consider that for 2 or 3 times Klopp missed the title by a whisker while on a tight budget. The KEY is the budget, let alone the refereeing decisions.

[@shamadam1]

Wenger is a legend and revolutionised the game in england. Was a pioneer for the influx of foreign managers. May not have won the UCL but did invincibles, I dont think thats gonna be done ever again

[@julienjones5453]

Interesting conversation! ... if you look at it purely theough the lense of the Manager... and you compare CV's both as players and as managers... then Alonso is clearly more qualified to lead LFC than Arteta was to take the reins at Arsenal! 🤔 Having said that leading LFC is a different beast to leading Arsenal! PS: the only true way to measure managers is points per 1£ + trophies per 1£ - then you can really see who is performing! - it levels the playing field...

[@snookerturk]

If any manager can stay at a club for near 10 years! He's already earned the right to be called a legend! If same manager Wins a Champions league, gets into 2 other Finals! Win the World Club Champions, and all the other Cups makes him a World Legend...

[@MrJonwalker23]

For the first 3 years. Liverpool weren't capable of challenging for the league. Klopp over-achieved with that group getting to Euoropa and CL finals... It was only for the last 4-5 years that Klopp had the team/squad to compete with City. Given that Pep has spent £1.5bn to Klopp's £500m... He has won 1 PL, been beaten on the last day of the season twice and been to 3 European Cup finals winning one. That's one hell of a record given the circumstances he was dealing with. It's been one hell of a ride! Thank you Jurgen!

[@anthonyfieldhouse9691]

I am a Wolves fan. The team I like to watch other than my team is Liverpool

[@millinutz]

Why is Thomas Frank's name never mentioned when talking about possible successors to JK? He is charismatic, has an aggressive style of playing, is liked by his staff and the fans, and has had a good run on a smaller budget than many other PL teams. Do these attributes not sound a little Klopp-esque If you've not noticed Tomas Frank before, then watch the Brentford v LFC game this coming Saturday 17th at 12:30pm English time.

[@Thenameonthegraveisarchstanton]

Who?

[@Coggzz]

The budget Kloop has worked with versus the other teams he’s competed against makes him legendary. He makes players world class, he doesn’t buy them (apart from VD and Alison - granted)

[@asamshah]

According to Souness' stupid reasoning, Di Matteo is probably a legend in his eyes as well then.

[@tomodul2619]

Thanks for your comment but you left out also Rafi Benitez who also won Champions League with Liverpool.

[@chidimadu2649]

Was he not an interim manager, who came in quite late in the season??

[@fabioluisi9607]

But di Matteo nor benitez won the premier league 😂😂

[@williammackey4015]

I think he's a legend...if you look at where Liverpool were and the style of football they played.he changed everything and made them 1 of the best in Europe on a budget...then done a rebuild as well....its not just here in the pl he also built a team at dortmund for 23 m which went on to win back to back titles...I think he's at absolute top manager

[@NotSoFastMrBond]

I was really hoping Simon would pull him up on that !

[@TheCAPTAINDESTROYER]

Love a bit of simon’sus. There you go there lads, there the lad of your podcast sorted 😂

[@realdjoffski]

8 British players played for Liverpool in Carabao Cup final. The most British team of the top 6? 😊

[@realdjoffski]

🇵🇱😉

[@francismcdonald5628]

Brilliant podcast 👏

[@yarentaa1474]

Even klopp said Pep is the best manager in the world

[@itwoznotme]

lol he is not a self important moron (hi jose), so will always point at others............and pep is the best of the others. if you listen to what pep says, then klopp is the man! lets have this chat after the 115 issues are resolved, as without city, klopp would have been right up there with the other 'greats'.

[@docholiday-lm4vf]

Pep has said several times that klopp is by far the best manager he ever faced in hos career

[@joesobomabo9760]

Klopp better than Pep is the craziest opinion I've heard

[@NoFrictionZone]

Pep makes super stars play beautiful football. Klopp turns players into super stars.

[@kjetil9992]

What Paul Scholes said about Gerrard "I wouldn't be able to do what he did at Liverpool. Whether he could've done what I did at United, I don't know" Pep would not be able to make liverpool win premier league and champions league on this budget.

[@FountainOfYoot]

@@kjetil9992the budget of the cost of Allison (ederson cost less), VVD (Dias cost half), Nunez (Haaland cost less) and Keita (Rodri cost less and the same as Szoboszlai)?

[@Ibrahim-nf6yh]

@@FountainOfYootWalker 50M TAA free from the academy Robertson 8M Joao Cancelo (swap deal with Danilo) and Sergio Gomez £37M combined Gvardiol £77.6 Quansah free from the academy Jack grealish 100M Luis Diaz 50M Could Pep Guardiola win the league or UCL with Henderson and James Milner? 🤔

[@FountainOfYoot]

@@Ibrahim-nf6yh I was defining the spine of your team 😊 Your spine is made of 70+M players. How much did Ranieris spine cost? The guy who won as many PL titles as Klopp. Pep has a better environment in resources, sure. He took those resources and won 5PLs in 7 years with a spine that’s cheaper than Liverpools. I rate Klopp higher than pep as an outsider, but this narrative that LFC is this poor club that hasn’t spent anything is a fallacy. Also Gvardiol just joined this season and hasn’t won anything. 😊

[@eddt430]

Kloppo told us Liverpool would win the Prem in fir years. Then we won everything it wasnthe time frame as well with what we had. Just incredible.

[@niallkearney9345]

Souness was a great all round player but he scored 1 in 6. He also say would be a doddle today but the the aggression he played with he would have been sent off about 10 times a season 😂. Absolute legend though!

[@danduffy616]

Simion says we defended our title poorly but isn’t taking into the fact that we were top of the league and cruising that league until the injuries. We had 2 youth players playing centre back and they got injured and we had to play Henderson there. Poor outlook yet again. Aswell as the fact he’s saying Klopp survived 3 years before he done anything. Wrong. Came in the first season showed a better brand of football. Got us to the EL final with a shocking team. Second season progressed us into the CL and brought mane etc in. 3rd season got us to the CL final and made us one of the best teams in the world with the deadliest attacked. Then we kicked in and won the CL and prem in the next two seasons while missing out on the league by one point the season we won the CL.

[@silversteel6312]

NOTES: Camera red light reflecting off Simon’s glasses is distracting. Thank you loves.

[@AziDNanA]

He already a legend. If what he does in Liverpool was in any other team, all of them will say he is a Legend.. thats how u know he a legend.. tell me which team doesn't want his CV in Liverpool except Man City..

[@andrewwatt4535]

If there name is spoken of for years to come, that's a legend - Klopp is a legend

[@thomgibbons5043]

"Legend" or not is down to the choice of language, it is emotive and therefore can't be defined. What both of these pundits gloss over is the consistency of league performance even when not winning the league. No other manager in the time span of the Premier League brand has managed more 90+ point seasons. Klopp is tied with Pep on 3. Chelsea have done it three times but spread out over two managers. And Klopp during the same time period has made 3 Champions League finals and won one, the line between his LFC side and Pep's City side was so fine at times you would need a microscope to see it. Trophy lists don't recognise this excellence.

[@nuncaolvidare4895]

We only do talksport for Señor Simon, mi guapo ❤ y el fuerte, Souness 🇪🇸😁👌🏻💥💙🙏🏻✝️❤️🇬🇧

[@TakkiLFC]

I don't really care what other people think, Klopp is not only a great manager, but also an even better person. Great mind. As a coach, Pep is the best of the lot no doubt about that. But as a manager? Klopp is a legend 💯 %

[@Eric4075]

We will never know how good Kloop was unless he goes to a bigger club i world like to see how he would do at Barcelona where the expectations are higher.

[@Synysterjmz]

Messi by himself is bigger than Barcelona; imagine thinking they’re bigger than Liverpool FC 😂🤡

[@docholiday-lm4vf]

You forgot where its easier!!! Very few managers win at liverpool and even less at Dortmund!! The two managers at Barcelona before and after pep won leagues and trebles The managers before and after pep at munich both won trebles…. The two manager before him at city won leagues…..

[@samirkotecha9481]

Liverpool is a massive club. But with not enough money as Man City.

[@Eric4075]

@@Synysterjmz Liverpool? Everton who is the biggest in merseyside?

[@Synysterjmz]

@@Eric4075 Liverpool, obviously

[@pt4387]

"if they win it then they will have to finish infront of them" of course, that's how winning a league works :)

[@EnkiPtah]

😂😂😂😂

[@scottgabriel4872]

They're both ignoring the elephant in the room. If 115 cheats weren't cheating, Klopp would have had more than 1 epl trophy.

[@yarentaa1474]

But Liverpool destroy lifes to win trophies.

[@___Rick___]

In the 2 years Man City pipped Liverpool by 1 point, Liverpool would have won any other year with 97 points and 92 points would have won all but 5 other years of EPL. And Liverpool don't have 115 FFP charges against them.

[@belly2020ish]

I think legends are people that are remembered for a long time for good or bad

[@sizwenkukwana1792]

Simon, as an owner, who has been better than Klopp in terms of value add? Anywhere in Europe? How many have been to three UCL finals, runner up in three EPL's? Legend

[@bartman01021988]

Klopps had plenty to spend and managed liverpool to 1 of the worst title defences in history. The great klopp since winning the league has finished behind what is a terrible man united team twice.

[@gb1178]

It's the style of play. The finals reached. The lift to the club etc. There are many reasons why Klopp is a legend. If the fans think he is then he is.

[@redboylfc1]

Klopp is better than Pep imagine what Liverpool would have done with open chequebook and ignoring FFP.

[@papanoel3999]

Great question. Difference between the old EUROPEAN CUP and today's CHAMPIONS LEAGUE. And was it harder or easier.. And tbh, I'm not sure what will happen when THE BOSS goes. Hopefully we do not start drifting down the league.

[@sportrocdoc2237]

Souness the legend! Of course he is right, Klopp all the way.

[@tgpemberton]

I think it's perfectly fine to say you'd prefer to be coached by Klopp, or even that you prefer Klopp's style of football, but to categorically claim Klopp is better than Pep, considering the number of years they've been battling against each other with Pep almost always finishing top, is just silly. Personal preference (and club allegiance) is not the same as fact.

[@tgpemberton]

@@matthewjamison The charges certainly cast a shadow - but even if they are proven to be true, the 'advantage' they'll have given Pep is to spend what other big six managers spend. As proven by both chelsea and united during Peps era in the Premier League, spending monev does not quarantee success.

[@THEDOGFATHERL11]

​@@tgpembertonyou mean wasting money doesn't buy you success

[@tgpemberton]

@@THEDOGFATHERL11 surely not wasting money is a mark of a great manager?

[@THEDOGFATHERL11]

@@tgpemberton which is what Chelsea an United did waste there money there's buying success then wasting

[@joewhite22]

Klopp to Pep is what Wenger was to Ferguson. Pep is at another level and one of the GOAT. Objectively I don't know how you can say Klopp is 'better' but the fact Simon does maybe says more about him as an ex-football club owner who lost all his money.

[@Stoic-poker]

Wenger did win 3 premier leagues though in fairness I’m not a arsenal fan either

[@iancoughlan5]

The idea of Wenger not being a legend but Klopp being one is laughable.

[@cavanriley7373]

Most FA Cups ever aswell.

[@razer0072073]

Klopp is up against a state owned club with unlimited resources who's currently being investigated and got 97, 99 and 92 points with a sell to buy model.

[@iancoughlan5]

@@razer0072073 Just for clarity, I'm not necessarily saying that Klopp isn't a legend. But the idea that Klopp is a legend and Wenger isn't, is just silly.

[@razer0072073]

@@iancoughlan5 Same Wengers a legend don't get me wrong

[@spacemunky8164]

Paisley fagan dalglish era never be bettered!

[@Dean-f2c]

As a Liverpool I love Klopp, he has done a great job. However I see Simon's point about the trophies, one champions league trophy from three finals, the Europa final loss and I think we should have won one more league title

[@LloydJenkins-x1w]

Simon is overthinking this Klopp legend argument. For the Premier League and Liverpool, he is truly a legend because he has been such an influential figure to the league and the club. The Premier League produced some of the best title races ever with Klopp pushing Pep to extreme heights competing for the league. Klopp has won the lot with half of Pep's net spend. Certainly a legend

[@gavinblack450]

Find it odd that you can debate Klopp record and not mention his insane win percentage, insane point tallies that would have won leagues by double figures without a City around and the incredible run of CL final runs?! Like seriously, how can none of these mad achievements allied with his style of okay and charisma not be mentioned?

[@gerardkinneen7252]

I’m not a Liverpool fan Why doesn’t Simon Jordan mention the achievements in the Bundesliga a competition dominated by one club and klopp broke up that dynamic in the same way Alex Ferguson broke up The old Firm in the late 70s and early 80s

[@chey-h3h]

Of course he’s better than Pep. Imagine what Klopp would achieve with a blank cheque book, no FFP rules and the help and support of the pgmol!

[@awbox1]

Im a Unuted fan and i can honestly say Klopp is a PL legend, not just has he won the league which is a hard thing for any manager to do, hes also a huge character, but there is a big difference between him and Pep & Ferguson, them 2 are PL gods and a level above him

[@greconho76]

i disagree on that... it depends for who your routing for... ask for example someone from Dortmund, who they think, is the better manager... i won´t believe that they answer Pep over Klopp... you ask Fans from Munich, they will tell you it´s Pep... if you are neutral, you will not find many differences between them two. You can argue Pep won more... but can you imagine Pep in Second Division and promote them to First... actually, I don´t.

[@awbox1]

@@greconho76 yeah i think if pep was in thr chanpionship he'd do what kompany did with burley but far better. He'd get promoted and play the best football in the league. Pep hasnt just changed the eay 1 or 2 managers pkay football, hes changed the way football is played in all 4 of the top english divisions, league two sides like mansfield are now playing possession football with inverted fullbacks, thats never happened before, his influence is huge. Klopp is a great manager like i say but he doesnt have that, & other than a really good 18 month patch when he won the league and CL league hes not done that much else with liverpool before or aftee that, manchester united have been in their worst 6 year period in the last 40+ years. And in the last 6 seasons theyve still finished above klopps liverpool 3 times while united are in a major crisis and playing awful football and sacking managers every 18months. And id say 90% of neutrals would say Pep is the better manager given hes regarded as the #1 manager in world football by prettt much everyone

[@davidridge5287]

Absolutely can't move at Klipperty's house for all the trophies.... 😂😂

[@tomwright4890]

Roberto de matteo is a legend according to souness’ logic 😂😂😂

[@denverthomas8037]

was waiting 4this... cmon y get what souness is saying

[@paulthomas6857]

For me the most important thing to sort out is Trent's contract, not Mo's. When Salah's contract expires he'll be 33. Salah is an absolute legend don't get me wrong but Trent is the future. Same with Virgil he'll be 33 nearly 34. I'm more concerned about Alisson as keepers can go on for longer. But first we need to nail down Trent at the end of the season.

[@teeeeeemps1833]

its been two minutes and havent seen a 32 red advert... should i be worried?

[@MichaelFabianek]

One should not forget that Klopp also beat Bayern with Dortmund, he has shown in two different leagues that he can beat better funded, better equipped teams, with much higher financial power and better individual players by playing as a team and by improving unknown players. He created Lewandowski. Neither Wenger nor Ferguson has done it in two of Europes big leagues. Only Guardiola, Ancelotti and Mourinho are in this category.

[@mrfacts6860]

Coutinho was the best Liverpool player for 2 years...sourness says he struggled in England 😂😂😂😂God

[@Obrannt]

He said he struggled when he came back

[@doubledigital_]

as a liverpool fan im bound to be bias but.. PL legend i think so, him and pep.. why? what they have given us .. same with wenger alex murino .. these are mental managers that i think gave us some of the best moments in the EPL so for me yea i think all of who i mentioned are legends of the game.. and more important they won stuff!

[@williammackey4015]

Injurys cost us our defence of the league....simon saying they should have achieved more...they come 2nd by a point twice to the best team in the world and beaten in 2 ucl finals by madrid....i think hes done a brilliant job

[@thesaintst1851]

The fact that Simon thinks Klopp isn’t a legend in the premier league tells me everything I need to know… ridiculous

[@safrisaleh412]

Jurgen Klopp makes Liverpool FC believe again and again therefore makes him Legendary.

[@moosavarachia3861]

99 and 97 points in the Premier league. Legend any day.

[@chrismorgan3898]

Rather than look at klopp and simply go 1 prem and 1 champs, you gotta say to yourself as a fan- would you consoder succcess to be in 4 or 5 title races right to the end and 3 champions league finals? If it wasnt for real madrid, or should i say goalkeepers on both sides its 3 champs. Lost prem by a point twice against a club with a superior bench with top end players who can have quality regardless who they field all season.

[@yawnthedinosaur9566]

Perfect statement “if Klopp is legend what are Ancelotti, Pep and Fergie” ?

[@EnkiPtah]

Can they all be legends? Yes, they can. Klopp is legend.

[@yawnthedinosaur9566]

@@EnkiPtah no they can not !!! Period!

[@greconho76]

and why is that? of course they are!!! and you could add many more to them, like Arrigo Sacchi, Johan Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Del Bosque for Example @@yawnthedinosaur9566

[@malligrub]

If a guy that; reincarnates a legendary club like Liverpool from the wilderness, wins every trophy in football including the UCL and Prem for the first time in 30yrs with that club, makes another 2 UCL finals, goes within minutes of winning the quadruple, puts together 3 of the greatest Prem seasons ever in a 3 year spell against the unmatchable spending power of the Abu Dhabi FC era and leaves the Cub in an even greater position after establishing a whole second squad and revolutionizes the style in which all English teams play now...If that guy isn't a legend - then there are none.

[@roykeane1922]

Jurgen Klopp has won 1 European final out of 5. He won 1 premier league title. He is a silver medalist with personality, and the reason the English media love him is the reason we always fail on the world stage Pep is in a different class to him. If pep ever finished fifth in a league season…lord 😂

[@mervynpeters]

Simon understand the circumstances Klopp arrived at Liverpool. Fans determine to a large degree who the legends are. You may win nothing but leave an amazing legacy of your time at a club.

[@cookie13lu]

Getting in 3 CL-finals in 9 years isn't too bad even if you don't win them all.

[@EnkiPtah]

Indeed! 2 in 7 years isn’t very bad as well, but still it could’ve been better.

[@maxking3]

People forget that Klopp had a balanced transfer budget for the first 3-4 years. Quite literally he spend ZERO on his squad. Add two Bundesliga Titles and two DFB-Pokal trophies and he has 3 league titles and 3 national cups in the Europe’s Top4 leagues, 3 Champions League Finals and 6x runners-up in the league with clubs that had less than half the budget of the winners. Looking at Pep on the other hand is like playing Football Manager with an infinite money cheat code…