He Thought He Was Safe Behind His Wall... - Cyclone Mine to GM #2

The mine push of doom does it again
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[@jerds9293]

Medivacs (just like SCVs) aren't attacking units and should be allowed. They let you do more with the challenge units of choice! Stay strong Mr M.

[@AC3handle]

was gonna say, i don't see any issue with having medivacs. I take it the cyclones take up 4 spots, and the mines take up 2?

[@nathansmith2031]

I agree! Better content

[@jme4786]

I think he mentioned he will use medivacs when the challenge gets harder, like Masters and up.

[@Miam_miam_la_gauffre]

No SCVs should be allowed, wtf, cheater

[@brent2040]

Agree

[@brendandavies9270]

OK the most amazing thing happened at 15:30. The opponent was like ok I'm completely dead but time for some fancy micro. He sees the cyclone attacking and picks up his tank to dodge the shot, only to find out the medivac he was picking up with was the the target of the lock on. An instant after picking up, the second shot connects and kills the medivac with the tank inside. Not really that consequential but absolutely heartbreaking for the guy microing his sweet little heart out

[@randyramirez6095]

holy shit i didnt even notice that, he shifted his focus back to his forces so quick after, i thought the tank was still there in the base, or atleast retreating on the other medivac, but he actually finshed off that small force with that double kill.

[@aznhoodraxon]

I saw that, pro players always target medivacs, as soon as Marc said he will kill the medivac, I saw they pick up the tank to lose both units

[@Dakilaaa.]

I feel like a little kid getting excited about those episodes! Awesome content my dude 💪

[@ViktorLofgren]

Video has been up for 2 minutes and I'm already watching it.

[@slimpwarrior]

r/meirl

[@quincykunz3481]

Beastyqt used to do a lot of weird challenges and one of his tricks as a late-game terran was use excess energy from his orbitals to drop mules on his opponents, either to take minerals from their patches to cause attrition, or to get enemy tanks to friendly-fire. Eventually he got to the point where he would throw mules to get the opponent to unseige, then attack while the tanks were down. It's a niche trick for sure, but absolutely hilarious and could give you an edge in a few of those really close games.

[@chill_fridge]

Brilliant

[@glados4765]

I just lost my dog of 17 years and these videos are helping keep my mind off it. Thanks man.

[@kozatas]

I feel sorry to hear that. This may sound like a betrayal but I got the same kind of cat (tuxedo) after I lost my beloved one. It helped a lot.

[@glados4765]

@@kozatas Pets for some reason are hard to lose. No matter what they are, I think it's because they have nothing but love for us regardless of who we are. I'm sorry you lost someone so close. : /

[@captaincrikey872]

I feel ya homie. I may be having the same thing happen to me real soon.

[@jackthelad9933]

if you want proof that there is no god, you need look no further than the life expectancy of dogs. Its not right. Stay strong dude.

[@etnrednal]

It's a very wholesome experience when you watch thermi pass through your MMR range and flatten a bunch of people you regularly play on ladder :D

[@ilikedragons7928]

I think the reason that the first zerg quit was because of your marine micro and nearly one minute of supply block. I mean that guy used nearly 10 zerglings and couldn't even finish off a red hp marine. He was out classed pretty heavily and it was showing.

[@RossRadikSherman]

The red hp marine not dying was the final straw

[@jeroenstolp9889]

Look at the minimap. He accidentally canceled his third.

[@xeruexe1624]

If I remember correctly Ketroc matches the creep spread of Zerg with his own Widow Mine spread. Confident Zergs that feel that they own map control because of creep will suddenly find their units being blasted in their territory. Of course they can build Overseers, but at that point their rhythm is skewed if not off. He does follow it up with Raven build up and Hellbat spam, which is unavailable in this challenge, but you could definitely pull something off with it.

[@legojoker7552]

Game 2 was amazing, I loved your description of the tank push, it reminded me of like a chess GM analyzing a top engine line like "yup yup this all theory, you sacrifice this piece and then move forward"

[@Claudiquant]

cyclone/mine serie beginning is masterclass! Thanks for the content!

[@ChumblesMumbles]

At 14:40 - just march the mines up the ramp! They're robots, they don't have families!

[@michaelswain868]

several suggestions for challenges:- 1. Dark Templar only to GM (I think this would just help grow your channel like the ghost only challenge) 2. Reaper only to GM (same as above for channel growth I just think this would get numbers) 3. Ghost Mech (I think this is something that allows you freedom, a little ghost revenge and something maybe you could push to the 6K+ mmr range, different from your challenges but still hard mech into protoss not easy) 4. random 1/1/1 units to GM... find a way to separate the barracks, the factory and star port units on a randomizer on queue generate the unit names and on the fly try to make that work as an army composition.... (this challenge is just cos its not been done and it would truly push your spontaneity cos good luck with a build order or strats) - Maybe exclude medivacs as something you can optionally build to try tie the random units together.

[@natecraver6362]

I think the first player you played against canceled his third hatch, accidentally, based on the mini map

[@unholynexus]

Cyclone/Widow Mines is ridiculously great fun. I appreciate the Ghosts and Raven/Hellion challenges but they just don’t compare to how quickly you can start harassing your opponents.

[@Blacklyexe]

Im really loving the music in the background, feels very good having something to listen to when you focus on your game for a short time.

[@ramil8029]

Really excited for the new challenges! I loved the ghosts and raven hellion, but those really do last a long time. Time for some fresh gameplay

[@riklaunim]

I always wondered about a weird play (non pro) where a zerg puts a queen in a dropolord and starts dropping it around opponent base, where he would expand - start dropping creep, place tumors and repeat in another spot. Maybe even do a drop in main - to annoy with creep. potentially waste scans or distract. The Brenda maneuver ;)

[@slimpwarrior]

It's called Poop Bandits (popularized by Neuro)

[@al3marsh52]

YOU are a live saver. i’ve been losing it trying to find one that works, and this one did. thankyou so much

[@vampireby]

I have to be honest, I originally loved the thought of this combo and imagined some incredible moments - but after seeing the trouble that Diamonds gave, I think this challenge may be a bit much even for someone as amazing as uThermal. I hope I'm wrong and this does as well as the previous challenges.

[@Maeldruin]

IIRC He had similar issues with Ghost and Mass Raven/Hellion. He just needs time to figure out his build orders and strats.

[@slimpwarrior]

So many 4gaters will be destroyed by this challenge. Worth watching just for that lol

[@Merumya]

on that third game for the buildorder: you had some gas to spare when you were missing some minerals for the depot. maybe you could pull an scv out of gas at some point and be on time with the minerals. not sure how it would work out with the gas you need later on, though.

[@benji23245bis]

I'd love to see a Zealot only to GM or even only to Master if GM is too difficult. Or maybe pair the zealot with something else, but in a way that the zealots still are the core of the challenge, much like the marines were for your marine and medivac to GM. I love your content dude, keep up the awesome work ! :D

[@Scuurd1]

I honestly just started after the 7 a.i challenge. I really enjoy the commentating while playing it's beast! amazing videos

[@frantiseklaluch6605]

I remember Beasty QT do the mass mines... well get some popcorn, this is gonna be EPIC...

[@cheesypuffs1342]

3:21 🤣 oh the double entendres! "there's a decent chance there's a big fat all-in coming at our faces right now...so that'd be a bit rough." -uthermy 2022

[@brasshouse-og]

The content has been so fun recently. Don’t usually like watching people cast their own games but you’ve been really entertaining. 👍

[@LouisLeGros]

Greetings Marc, found the channel I think from virtue of the connection to Pig & you completing the 7v1 challenge. As a long time Ketroc viewer I loved the Raven/Hellion to GM series. Looking forward to seeing widow mines spread like creep tumors across the map.

[@aneubeck4053]

It’s so cool how you can cover your own retreat with the mines

[@tallformyage]

“I’m going to play Minecraft instead…” Been there!!

[@ackrite8139]

Best SC2 content on KZbin

[@Avise6644]

Man, those widow mines against the zerg felt like they were terran creep tumors but deadly... When they were on the right spots its hard to move around... Love the series :D

[@tomaszkrol9465]

Great video bro! And big respect for the zerg with great manners and strong fighting will

[@cookies23z]

I found your channel, and have been enjoying a bunch of the series tbh, I have an extra layer of fun because I played starcraft for the story, I suck at the game. Eventually a friend of mine got the game, and we did duos against the ai to prep and learn for actual games. We got stuck a lot, both have shit micro and very ltitle knowledge, but it was fun adapting when we got stuck, like learning how builds worked and how to synergize our builds, trying one person doing an early rush to throw off the ai and the other being greedier, and a bunch of weird (not very good) but quite fun stuff this is like that but 17 levels above us, fun to watch, and I appreciate you still managing to talk about what you are doing and why, its cool to see

[@andreiu85]

Transformers Tag Team to GM Challenge - only units with multiple modes (hellion, tank, viking, thor), but no more than 2 types at the same time (say you have hellion + tank and want vikings, you need to get rid of either hellions or tanks first). And if you want an additional challenge: you can only tag one unit out as long as you kill the last full HP one yourself (so as not to just suicide them all into the enemy). Or if that's too complicated, just pick 2 at the start of the game and that's all you get all game.

[@benc0210]

I learned a lot from ur channel. Thanks a million times!

[@serenelight]

Uploads like clockwork, thx! Can always rely on your fresh content being there!

[@Juan-jd8zl]

This challenge is great, I recently discovered you for the terran v 7ai and these challenge videos you do are def top tier starcraft 2 content. Can't wait for episode #3!

[@gcl2783]

I don't even feel safe watching this. Gives me nightmares of spider mines crawling all over the ladder.

[@pineapple9238]

these videos are so fresh and fun! I genuinely look forward to your new uploads every day

[@franciscogasparettohiguchi1351]

Amazing! Play and talk at the same time, congrats. When I play, I can hardly breath! LOL

[@Gredddfe]

Perfect Diamond terran cosplay. Using the same strange "original" build every game.

[@nickweidner]

I swear the cyclones look like forklifts and the drones like...the red light looks like a safety light for construction machinery. I think yellow would look rad.

[@Wisdom891]

idk much about the game. Except basic lore and cinematics but man I've been enjoying your content.

[@IronMan-wz8dx]

very nice. Terran has evolved to not needing as much boots on ground. lol..

[@Banan538]

Love your content! Never stop :)

[@uThermal]

Thanks a lot! :D

[@krampuswinter5917]

This is so fun to watch! Cyclone one of my favorite units.

[@haremish]

your micro in the first match broke his spirit

[@Necrocidal]

20:25 - why do you bring the CC back? Instead of leaving it floating over the natural to give vision (baneling count, ling count, when he starts attacking, cyclone lock-on, etc) ? Or use it as part of a second-layer wall behind the depots?

[@OMIMreacts]

id love to see a challenge with banshees, they just haven't been played much. idk what you could match them with

[@Rcoutme]

Regarding 1 v 7, shouldn't they be able to defeat you simply by pulling all of their workers and all-in attacking?

[@sjmiller609]

That's the thing about bots, they can be dumb

[@IwillLose]

@@sjmiller609 Bronze league players aren't bots tho.

[@sjmiller609]

@@IwillLose Oh, I thought we were talking about 1v7 bot challenge

[@IwillLose]

@@sjmiller609 My impression was that Robert was talking about the moment in the vid(dont exactly remember where, but somewhere in the later half) where uthermal asked bronze players to join the discord for a 1v7.

[@dunningkrugerfxs5848]

Late late response but i feel like against bronze worker all in all he'd have to do is worker drill them

[@Galactichistorian]

drilling claws early.. it will help a lot when the push

[@wyattkoessel3495]

New challenge. Noice. Eventually you could do meta challenge where it's just a giant pool of previous challenge builds to GM.

[@FrigidGates]

the 500 IQ PF almost kill me laughing..

[@hamburgers7817]

Loving the challenges Marc. What do you think about Thor Tank for the next one? Or maybe Thor Tank Lib? Idn

[@uThermal]

I'd like to do something with those units but having a unit in there to micro and outplay with would make it more fun as opposed to just 'a-move' units, so maybe I'd use some different combinations

[@bpgoss]

That first GG threw in the towel when you killed his overlords and then he was further annoyed that he didn’t get your low health marine and still lost both zerglings.

[@jeroenstolp9889]

He accidentally canceled his third base, look at the minimap.

[@Ki113r0n]

I hope we get to see the mass marine/medivac series .. I'd be the toughest one I guess.

[@ashtonrendon600]

He picked up the tank in the red medivac that gets locked onto milliseconds before it died lmao

[@VictorF0326]

It looks like the first game he accidentally cancelled the third and immediately left

[@echofarm5237]

i fell sleep last night. so late to the party. damn tnx for the episode. 1. is it useful to get rid of their observers? 2. sometimes all of your mines are on cool down. is there any way around this? like spreading them more? not borrow them all at the same time? 3. what kind of apm one needs to make groups of mines do target fires against detectors for example? (in the middle of fights while controlling cyclones too) need to grow more hands?🤒

[@luckylarry71]

Who's account is this?: _Mine_ What are you doing on this map?: _I mine..._ What's your basic army comp unit?: _Mine!_

[@Arctyr]

Really loving this unit combination.

[@eldricliew6223]

Proxy / fly a factory out, make widow mines from the weirdest places. Florencio did that in one game, would love to see that with pro mechanics.

[@LordKelvinX2086]

After seeing so many Ghost to GM losses against mass Stalkers, that last match felt so cathartic.

[@nhshadow1]

That mine attack reminded me of Banelings

[@jamescollins5870]

didnt know counting down after pp's was such a big deal but it i love to hear it

[@zhoutaiwarrior]

Hey uthermal just curious if you are allowed to build medivacs to do mine drops for this challenge. Also would love to see more mass mine openings vs zerg. Keep up the great work.

[@TheTykk]

Scary name ROSTOVonDON - Rostov is city and Don is river

[@chrisgriffith1573]

"This guy has some replay analysis to do..."

[@sinephase]

not sure if you allow medevacs? If not, you should for mine drops. It could be a good counter to tanks

[@Lost7one]

ye he said he would do this in the first episode, medivacs are always allowed in Terran challenges.

[@maxperilous5944]

I hate seeing the time bar on the video when I have to pause, cause I'm watching at work. I can always tell when it's going to be the last game of an episode.

[@vip-ng8oq]

Liked the video without even watching it first.. I am so sure.. I won't be dissappointed

[@nw3052]

How about the "100 workers to gm"? Could be easy, but would be interesting to see how this playstyle works in high MMR.

[@PedroGarcia-fl1fu]

best challenge ever! thanks! lets GO TO BOOOOMS!!!

[@heavycritic9554]

26:24 "Probe up"... Sounds kind of painful.

[@garwynrosser8907]

The day of the spider mines

[@CAChab93]

I completely understand the early gg of the first player 😂

[@jeurissenjonathan5105]

In last session every opponent ragequit vs the mine cyclone. nice job hehe

[@jayjacobl4667]

can't wait for 500iq protoss player using mass sentry hallucinations as hard counter to widow mines and lockons

[@gabydewilde]

your repairs are epic now. #29:43 I do think the nearly 0 hp units should be pulled out of the fight. You could send 1-2 scv forwards to the camping zone. 1 scv is as productive as a factory in building up cyclone hp but it does it at half the price. You are winning of course but have 4 cyclones there that need only one ling hit to die and 2 more that could use some love. The 10 cyclones have only 5 worth of hp left. Look at #24:40 do you really need that one cyclone? it is going to do a good bit of work but it will inevitable die soon. At #25:05 a single ling eats it. The rest of your cyclones are full health, those few lings shouldn't be able to do anything. It also takes him quite a few waves to kill the mines, they are dying slowly. Not sure if retreating and repairing those is viable but then again, they do sit around and not do anything between shots.

[@davecolwell725]

I wonder if you could swap your CC's when they're pushing in like at around 37:00, if you took the damaged one far enough back and then lifted a full health one you wouldn't have to worry about the health until you have time?

[@Necrocidal]

I guess vs zerg, you need to plant a trail of mines on your first attack path, then if the attack is countered, the mines will nullify the counter and give the cyclones a route home

[@jakeingram2083]

I love seeing the mines! It's soo much fun

[@sjmiller609]

Wow! This is going to be an awesome series

[@aarongazzaniga1929]

With protoss you have to say you're probing up which can definitely sound wrong

[@nathanjames4242]

You need to do a special episode: Ghost/Raven. Lots of gas!

[@Gredddfe]

I've seen 1v3 pro vs diamond players, and it comes down to whether the lower level players can macro. 200 supply vs 600 supply (or 200 vs 1400 if 1v7) no amount of micro can overcome.

[@tankbustergames9953]

You should have some SCVs with your Army to repair damaged cyclones :))

[@kamnale1317]

1v7 vs bronze is juicy, many of them will sit back and mass voids or carrier and to kill or kripple 6 with good supply before the last one get there...

[@adamhenrie3879]

So excited for this series!

[@patrickfoxchild2608]

This has become a near daily watch for me.

[@michaelswain868]

I can see how precarious your opener is without marines and stuff. I am not going to offer any specific advice but I do recall you saying that you wanted to allow yourself to build medivacs. If you are still theorizing your opener maybe try and include the star port so you can move out with additional safety with your cyclones or try a widow mine drop. Maybe that way you can buy some time get mag fields and drilling and put yourself in a good spot for a timing attack of some kind.

[@rafaelrafaelrafael]

I think the zerg left because he realised you're way better than him and he thought there was no point in continuing.

[@Therosx]

I think the Cyclone’s look great in the dark green.

[@L00ww]

Hey marc, I have a question: why didnt you wall off your base in the first game when the first zerglings arrived?

[@Ben-gd1so]

Looks like he knew he could hold with 2 marines and SCVs and didn't want to waste minerals. Based on his commentary he didn't expect to lose a SCV to the lings

[@L00ww]

@@Ben-gd1so possible, but i dont understand: he saw the lings early with his scouting scv but didnt close the front. He easily could have lifted the rax and closed the door.

[@nigeriannational2416]

@@L00ww opinions dude, maybe he thought it was more efficient to do it the way he did it

[@Dawindell]

@@L00ww just theory crafting, but if he didn't bait them in they could turn into banelings and cause serious damage later right? Killing them all for the price of 0-1 SCV's is a good trade.

[@Ben-gd1so]

@@L00ww Could be he didn't want to deal with the lings outside the base and just wanted to clean it up

[@SmithnWesson]

I have a question regarding micro. If you're trying to kill overlords using marines. Is it better to chase them, bit by bit, where you shoot, then move, then shoot, then move. Or would be better to first move all the way underneath the overlord and then start shooting? It seems to me that the shoot and move wastes time. You are always trying to catch the overlord. Wouldn't it be better just to move right underneath them and then blast them? That way you could kill it without having to move your Marine at all. So I noticed this right about 3:22 in the game, and then again at 4:09. Good luck to you, I love your games.

[@uThermal]

It's more efficient to do it the way I'm doing it here, it doesn't waste a lot of time to shoot and move if you time it properly > by clicking under the overlord you just miss the opportunity to do 3-4 quick shots. At the same time if you don't have the APM to kite under the overlord while macroing at home it's gonna be way better to just move under the overlord or straight up right click it from the beginning

[@Supergoon1989]

I love this series so much! Thanks! :D

[@Zamiroh]

I love your content, and watch religiously every day. I will watch this series as well. With that said for some reason this is my least favorite comp so far. Obviously with your skill you will own most players, but I worry that as you get to higher mmr your army will be too fragile. I know helipn/raven is really squishy as well, but your disables against siege tanks etc could really help. I see tank pushes destroying you, protoss robo, and possibly some other comps being really difficult. Anyway, you always seem to prove us wrong!

[@adwipo]

You missed the Artosis Pylon at 39:46

[@dragojess]

I guess you could say Probing up for Protoss