He Was the Next Juan Marichal. Then His Career Was Destroyed.

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@BaseballHistorian
@BaseballHistorian Ай бұрын
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@nickmorgan8078
@nickmorgan8078 Ай бұрын
He taught Johnny Cueto to throw a change up. Was a roving pitching instructor for the Reds for years!! Thank you so much for this video! Mario deserves more recognition.
@dennissvitak5475
@dennissvitak5475 Ай бұрын
Did he teach Cueto how to kick opposing players in the face, too?
@XU23
@XU23 Ай бұрын
@@dennissvitak5475😂
@positively_broad_st3780
@positively_broad_st3780 Ай бұрын
On the day of that Soto near no-hitter/George Hendrick game, I was walking with my friend. We were on our way to hang out at his aunt's house, which sat adjacent to a convenience store that had a very large window where the clerk sat. My friend and I stopped in to the store to buy snacks. The clerk was all excited because he was listening to the Reds game on WLW radio, and he told us that it was the eighth inning and Mario Soto was throwing a no-hitter. The Reds were really bad during Soto's best years, so a no-hitter would be a real feel-good day for a bad 1984 Reds team and their fans. After we paid for our treats, my friend and I sat on his aunt's front porch, turned on a transistor radio and listened to the rest of the game. We could see the clerk through the big window. When Soto recorded the first out in the ninth inning, the clerk was drumming the countertop and celebrating. Then George Hendrick comes up. After taking a pitch or two, Soto came up and right under Hendrick's chin, causing George to hit the dirt. The whole stadium gasped and the store attendant just kind of froze with confusion. George got up, dusted himself off and got back in the box. A couple of pitches later, there was a loud crack of the bat and Marty Brennaman started calling out that there's a deep fly ball to left field, that ball is out of the park, and there goes the no-hitter with one out in the ninth. My friend and I were immediately lamenting with each other about how awful it was for Soto to get so close to a no-hitter and that nothing ever goes in the Reds favor. Just then, my friend points across the street towards the store and shouts, "LOOK!" That dude running the convenience store was throwing an absolute fit behind the counter. He was throwing products and knocking over the countertop displays. We couldn't hear him, but we know that he was yelling and cursing. Despite our disappointment in Soto losing his no-hitter, my friend and I were doubled over in laughter at watching this guy being so full of hope and happiness to absolutely losing it at work within a five minute time frame. Man it was a sight to see. My friend liked to be a low-key instigator and wanted to go over to the store to ask the clerk if Soto still had a no-hitter going. I didn't let him do that - for his own safety...😂 Such a great memory from a lousy summer of 1984 Reds baseball. I'll never forget it...😅
@Track_Dude
@Track_Dude Ай бұрын
As a family that has always loved the reds my grandfather loved soto my father loved soto and film I saw of soto and the kindness he gave to the game was what got me to play in the first place.
@BrianMcKnight68
@BrianMcKnight68 Ай бұрын
The worst irony of Mario’s career is that he was phenomenal in those 80’s seasons when the Reds were horrible….then, just as the Reds started to win again, he was hurt (and basically finished). He deserved to be on a winning Reds team. I loved Mario. He was a beast and had the best changeup I’ve ever seen.
@DavidMcdonald-df8tb
@DavidMcdonald-df8tb Ай бұрын
Well put, his career was full of irony. Like the baseball strike. The team had their best year of that period you mentioned and silly rule changes as you know kept them out of playoffs.
@elastic774
@elastic774 Ай бұрын
If his change is the best you have seen. Ur biased or blind...... and he pitched the same rotation as previous 20 years. You never hear of multiple guys blowing ot there arm
@michaelmitchell570
@michaelmitchell570 Ай бұрын
Are Mario and Juan Soto related
@larryd9549
@larryd9549 Ай бұрын
I drafted him in my 1982/83 Strat-O-Matic league. He was SO DOMINANT.
@randyjero4664
@randyjero4664 28 күн бұрын
The 82 season is available?
@MIKIEEYEZ1975
@MIKIEEYEZ1975 23 күн бұрын
@@randyjero4664yes it is.. I have it for sale..
@MIKIEEYEZ1975
@MIKIEEYEZ1975 23 күн бұрын
I’ll play you in STRATO ANYTIME, ANYWHERE! Get back to me
@randyjero4664
@randyjero4664 22 күн бұрын
@@MIKIEEYEZ1975 I am just now getting into it. Only have HOF edition. I saw they sold the 1982 season. Not the 1983. I love the game.
@JohnWilkinson-p9v
@JohnWilkinson-p9v Ай бұрын
I was at the Berenyi debut game and remember it well. We had driven up to Cincinnati with my dad from VA. As I recall, there was a DH the next day which the Reds swept. A very magical weekend. Unbelievable that game is worthy of mention 45 years later. That one game turned Soto's career around.
@roland7584
@roland7584 Ай бұрын
The Soto game was the first game of the double-header on that Saturday. The Reds did sweep the double-header that day.
@williamhicks7736
@williamhicks7736 Ай бұрын
It’s hard to describe how good he was… the Reds were so bad from 1982-1984…. He had to pitch a complete game if he wanted to win…. Rarely gave up more than two runs…. I believe he was over used in 1985, but also, he started throwing a slider…. which may have contributed to his arm trouble…. Just sayin….
@brianb.5473
@brianb.5473 Ай бұрын
You did a outstanding job on this. I'm a Reds fan and saw Mario's entire career. I remember exactly where I was when he threw 8 2/3 relief innings. Radio game only no TV in my area for that one. That was also a Doubleheader sweep that day and one of the highlights of the 80 season. I remember where I was when Hendrick homered. Hendrick was the last out in Tom Seavers no hitter in 78. So he nearly was again. I talked with Mario for about 10 minutes a few years ago. He was great to talk to. He had a 1 hit shutout that I attended last game of the season against Atlanta. He dominated the Braves often. The hit was a 4th inning infield single by slow Chris Chambliss. BTW the Cardinals pitcher is pronounced LaTell instead of little. Thanks again this was great.
@l.rongardner2150
@l.rongardner2150 Ай бұрын
In addition to Soto, two other Reds pitchers that could have been great if they hadn't had arm trouble were Gary Nolan and Wayne Simpson.
@cheddarcheese7928
@cheddarcheese7928 Ай бұрын
Two big “could have been” pitchers from the 80’s(at least to me) were Mario Soto and Sid Fernandez..Both had electric stuff!
@6thwilbury2331
@6thwilbury2331 Ай бұрын
For sure. Sid Fernandez just got overshadowed by Gooden on the same staff, but on most days, he was just as impressive. I'll also put J.R. Richard in your category, but with an asterisk. No, he wasn't technically from the 80s, but if not for the stroke, there's little doubt he would have been one of the top performers of that decade. He left baseball right as he was really starting to get it, as if Sandy Koufax had bowed out of baseball in 1962 or so.
@ChristopherMosley-dj3kt
@ChristopherMosley-dj3kt Ай бұрын
​@@6thwilbury2331Richard at least got to pitch 9-10 seasons in the majors but right as he peaked.....
@ChristopherMosley-dj3kt
@ChristopherMosley-dj3kt Ай бұрын
​Sid had the ability to no hit you every night
@codygurnick6405
@codygurnick6405 Ай бұрын
That's the wildest thing I've ever heard. "I was gonna let the man have his no hitter."
@Nohandle2500
@Nohandle2500 Ай бұрын
Haha love that George Hendrick mention. He was my hitting coach when I played in the Cardinals system in the early- mid 90s. He was about as interested in coaching as he did in playing. The worst hitting coach I’ve ever seen. I use the word coach loosely. Minor league coaches do not make a ton of money & he certainly wasn’t there to help the players.
@Krysdavar
@Krysdavar Ай бұрын
Lots of memories of players from back then. This is when I was growing up and was in my teens. I remember all of those players mentioned. This video had me looking a lot of players mentioned here up on Baseball Reference, to see how their careers panned out. 😀 Great trip down memory lane. Mario Soto was a great pitcher, but unfortunately.....
@steele41
@steele41 Ай бұрын
Soto was so dominant for such a short period of time. His name would be lost to history if not for videos like this. Regarding Pete Rose, as we know gambling is an addiction, and winning a bet is the ultimate high. There is nothing a gambler wouldn't do to affect the odds to increase his chances of winning. I have no doubt Rose bet on the Reds to lose sometimes, and Dowd's report was a face-saving move by MLB, full of half-truths and misrepresented facts.
@misisipimike8020
@misisipimike8020 Ай бұрын
My very first major league game I got to see Mario Speedwagon. I even got his autograph. I also got Johnny Benche's autograph. Sadly Hurricane Katrina claimed that ball.
@thedanholmes
@thedanholmes Ай бұрын
The pitcher at the beginning of the video (interview in a Reds; uniform) is Jack Billingham, not Woodie Fryman.
@phillylifer
@phillylifer Ай бұрын
Thanks for this. Soto needs to be remembered. I forgot until now. As a kid I would pour over box scores and league leaders and watches as Soto went tie to tie with Carlton for strikeouts
@rscott2187
@rscott2187 Ай бұрын
To say Mario Soto was dominant is an understatement. The one two punch of Tom Seaver & Mario Soto certainly was a major factor in MLB most wins in 1981. Unfortunate that Seaver suffered thru an injury year in 1982 as Soto was reaching his peak. Loved watching both pitch and thought Mario would be an all time great, which in many ways he was.
@docadams7099
@docadams7099 Ай бұрын
I remember Bruce Berenyi pitched a near-perfect game against the Expos on June 7, 1981. The only runner Montreal got was by way of a clean single in the 3rd inning. That was hat day, when the Reds gave away hats to the fans. The Reds then played 3 a the New York Mets (June 9, 10, and 11) before the players' strike caused a 57-day stoppage.
@pipepicasso8112
@pipepicasso8112 Ай бұрын
The 80’s Reds were horrible except for Soto. I can’t tell you how many games he lost 1-0 or 2-1. I guarantee his career loss total could be cut by a third or even half with even an average Reds team in the 80’s.
@positively_broad_st3780
@positively_broad_st3780 Ай бұрын
On a better team, Soto would have won at least one Cy Young Award...
@dantheman5745
@dantheman5745 Ай бұрын
Soto pitched 7-or-more innings only to see the Reds lose 1-0 six times, and pitched 7-or-more innings only to see the Reds lose 2-1 five times. In total, 23 times he pitched 7-or-more innings, allowed 2 or fewer earned runs, and watched as the Reds lost the game.
@pipepicasso8112
@pipepicasso8112 Ай бұрын
@@dantheman5745 good research 👍🏻
@SpottedSharks
@SpottedSharks Ай бұрын
The first game I saw at Riverfront was in 1979 when prospect Bruce Berenyi took the mound against the Astros. He got shelled. 6 runs in 1/3 inning. Soto came on and pitched the remaining 8 2/3 yielding no runs and a couple of hits, no walks, and bunch of Ks. He got the win.
@keithconnell8460
@keithconnell8460 Ай бұрын
When I was about 9 and started playing baseball, I saw the Dodgers win the 81 series against the Yankees. I loved Fernando. But before him, my first favorite player was Soto.
@Rockhound6165
@Rockhound6165 Ай бұрын
On Memorial Day 1982 my dad took me to see the Phillies play the Reds at the old Vet as it was my dad's birthday and my birthday was the following day. My dad had a partial season ticket plan at the time(kinda off topis but near our section there was a lady who sold peanuts in the stands. That same lady is still employed by the Phillies and is still hawking peanuts at Citizens Bank Park). Anyhoo, Soto had plunked Mike Schmidt twice so in the top of the 7th with the Reds up 4-0, Soto came to bat and Reed proceeded to plunk him. Soto charged the mound bat in hand. The benches cleared and Dave Concepcion was the one who got to Reed. Reminded me of the Flyers Broad Street Bullies days. Reed, Concepcion, and Soto were ejected. The Phillies eventually won the game in 15 innings. My dad was the type of person who would leave games early to beat the traffic. I was literally in bed listening to the end of the game on my clock radio.
@CraigBrown-sq9zy
@CraigBrown-sq9zy 29 күн бұрын
Dude was my favorite Pitcher in the 80’s
@electriceyeslide5959
@electriceyeslide5959 25 күн бұрын
I am 51 and remember Mario well and saw him pitch. He threw very hard and was an excellent pitcher. He was a gamer and very tough. But to blame Pete Rose is a joke. Rose wasn’t the only player betting on baseball at that time, he was just the only one to get caught and made an example of. Back then, Pitchers worked and it was very common for pitchers to throw on 3 days rest. One of the reasons for this was Nolan Ryan. Ryan was notorious for short rest days and the managers all looked at him and said if he can do it, so can you. So it was more about baseball philosophy at that time than it was Pete Rose overthrowing anyone for betting on baseball. Dowd and the bookie were right. Mario was awesome and he played the game with fire and passion.
@OldWorldNewYork
@OldWorldNewYork Ай бұрын
Great video very imformative! I remember him when he pitched against the Mets in the mid-80s. Juan Marichal also used a bat as a weapon when he was thrown at..they have that in common too! Excellent point about the problems with Rose betting on his own team..never thought about that!
@tonycrabtree3416
@tonycrabtree3416 Ай бұрын
Man, those are the best Reds home unis ever. Soto was a hothead. Oh, and Jose Rios was also supposed to be the next Juan Marichal. He even married Marichal’s daughter.
@jjtdsmarthomes3824
@jjtdsmarthomes3824 15 күн бұрын
Jose Rijo :)
@tonycrabtree3416
@tonycrabtree3416 15 күн бұрын
@@jjtdsmarthomes3824 Auto correct…. 🤣 I didn’t proofread before hitting send.
@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973
@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973 Ай бұрын
He was my favorite pitcher when I was a kid. There wasn't much to look forward to as a Reds fan in the early 80s but Soto was fun to watch He struck out a lot of hitters and he was intense. That change up made a lot of good hitters look silly
@RobSmith-ye3rk
@RobSmith-ye3rk Ай бұрын
I miss 70s and 80s baseball
@6thwilbury2331
@6thwilbury2331 Ай бұрын
I will admit right here, hat in hand, that when Pedro Martinez started to rise in the majors - probably during his Montreal days - I considered him a "store-brand version of Mario Soto." You know, same idea but not quite as good as the real thing. Yeah, pretty embarrassing how poorly that aged over time. All these years later, I'll find myself explaining Soto to younger fans as the Pedro Martinez before Pedro Martinez.
@Vandrobunder
@Vandrobunder 28 күн бұрын
I discovered Soto in OOTP and always wondered about him.
@Wolf.88
@Wolf.88 Ай бұрын
You left out that Washington had hit his 4th home run off Soto that season in the previous at bat. That’s why he was angry.
@ryles1159
@ryles1159 Ай бұрын
Those fights were FIGHTS back then, not charging the mound sideways at half speed hoping someone holds them back 😂😂😂…. And that’s a cold man with a cold line saying ‘was gonna let him have the no hitter’ after getting some chin music.
@martyyoung3611
@martyyoung3611 Ай бұрын
How many games did he pitch allowing only 1 or 2 runs and lost? The Reds just couldn't seem to score runs for him.
@seana1131
@seana1131 28 күн бұрын
Nice fart @ 13:01 😂😂😂
@billymartin6824
@billymartin6824 Ай бұрын
As a diehard Reds fan Soto is one of my top 5 favorite players after the Big Red Machine days. He was the only bright spot of the bleak early 80s for the team.
@georgesouthwick7000
@georgesouthwick7000 Ай бұрын
Soto’s “out pitch” was his change up. What made it great was the difference in velocity between his fastball and change. When he lost a few mph on the fastball, the change was not as effective.
@clementsfamily7002
@clementsfamily7002 Ай бұрын
The guy in the Reds Uniform at the 1 minute mark is Jack Billingham, not Woody Fryman.
@positively_broad_st3780
@positively_broad_st3780 Ай бұрын
I knew that George Hendrick story. I usually share it on a Mario Soto story. Saved me a bunch of typing...😅
@hugosegura6287
@hugosegura6287 Ай бұрын
Just when I was on the fence about Pete Rose, making the Hall Of Fame, I’m back on the No side!!!
@dantheman5745
@dantheman5745 Ай бұрын
Soto got absolutely AWFUL run support. Twenty-three times the Reds lost a game where Soto pitched 7 or more innings, allowing 2 or fewer earned runs. 1981 - 1 time (a 1-0 loss) 1982 - 4 times (including 1 game where he pitched 10 shutout innings) 1983 - 4 times (incl. another 1-0 loss) 1984 - 5 times (two more 1-0 losses) 1985 - 5 times (another 1-0 loss) 1986 - 3 times 1988 - 1 last time (also a 1-0 loss) 23 times where even the slightest run support would've won the game, Soto's dominant outing was completely wasted. 14 of those times, the Reds got shutout.
@TheTEN24
@TheTEN24 Ай бұрын
A player I’ve never heard of before awesome video man
@kevingreen2400
@kevingreen2400 Ай бұрын
Soto was the only reason to watch the Reds in 82, 83 and 84. He would have been a 20 game winner on a good team
@GizmoBeach
@GizmoBeach Ай бұрын
Soto’s career was the same as many others; six years of solid production, but by age 29 he was just worn out. Look at today’s times: not even ONE season and a lot of pitchers are on the shelf with TJ surgery. 100 big league wins, 3.47 ERA for the post-Big Red Machine Reds (14 wins for a 101-loss team) and nearly 1,500 K’s in a career of just five seasons as a full-time starter. Not my idea of “destroyed.”
@TerryTitus-w1s
@TerryTitus-w1s Ай бұрын
Classic 78 Topps! He was a very good pitcher. Rose wanted more action with a bookie.
@neematavakoli4350
@neematavakoli4350 Ай бұрын
I would say Dave Stewart and Orel Hershieser were pretty exciting too
@lmcc0072
@lmcc0072 Ай бұрын
What if what if what if…..That’s just it. In order to be a Hall of Famer you have to uphold excellence for a long period of time. There are a number of pitchers that were “lights out” for a few years, but burned out too quickly like Mark Fydrich, Tim Lincecum, King Felix, Mike Scott, Doc Gooden, etc… The list goes on and on. Teams have learned from the destruction of players like Soto to better care for their young pitchers. 30-32 starts, every 5th day, 100 pitch limits, special conditioning, and now no hitting. Soto had a good 6 season run and it definitely could have been extended if he was cared for properly.
@person1192
@person1192 Ай бұрын
Hendrick and Anthony Rendon probably bond over not caring to much about Baseball
@Lawomenshoops
@Lawomenshoops Ай бұрын
MLB should have allowed the Reds and LA to play a one game playoff for the first half crown! Because I’d scheduling and/rainouts, LA allayed one moe game than the Reds.
@robertmurdock1848
@robertmurdock1848 Ай бұрын
Or they could have just made it second half winner and overall winner. Every team would have got a fresh start and the first half winners would have an advantage to finish the season.
@roland7584
@roland7584 Ай бұрын
@@robertmurdock1848 That would have been the best idea. For the Reds to not even have a chance to make up the 1/2 game (being 1 game back in the win column no less) makes no sense. I guarantee if the Yankees or Dodgers finished a 1/2 game back in their division in the first half, no way would this have been the way it went down. Big market teams become the deciding factor in all MLB decisions and after a strike, there was no way a small market team was going to the World Series that year no matter what and this was the first decision to make sure that wasn't happening.
@BearIslandComics
@BearIslandComics Ай бұрын
But why couldn’t Rose just pick the Wednesday game to bet on, instead of the Tuesday game? Why was it necessary to move up Soto’s starts? I don’t understand.
@EricKoonitsky-s1d
@EricKoonitsky-s1d 17 күн бұрын
Why not just wait until he's retired to bet on baseball? That way he's in the Hall and maybe still in the good graces of the American public, right? Because Pete Rose was a degenerate gambler chasing his addiction. Rationality and patience are the last things anyone should expect.
@TK0_23_
@TK0_23_ Ай бұрын
Pedro taking down Zimmer is one of the funniest things I witnessed in baseball. Knowing Soto did it too makes it even funnier. Oh, Popeye. You little bald headed scamp.
@roland7584
@roland7584 Ай бұрын
If you watch the Pedro game again, it makes you wonder if MLB called Vince McMahon during the Pedro game when it first started heating up in the top of the 4th inning and asked what he'd do to profit off this situation. Well, let's see, I'd get Popeye off the bench and have him charge at Pedro. Let him roll around a bit. The only thing that would have convinced me is if Pedro dropped an elbow on him.
@mjb-od6tr
@mjb-od6tr Ай бұрын
I have seen him play and felt sorry for him for pitching on a losing team when he was at his prime.
@GordonPyzik
@GordonPyzik Ай бұрын
For a 2 year period he was unstoppable.
@DJCasanovaMusic
@DJCasanovaMusic Ай бұрын
Well done.
@drbonesshow1
@drbonesshow1 Ай бұрын
Washington throws the ump to the ground and gets a 3-game suspension. Now that is focked up.
@dantheman5745
@dantheman5745 Ай бұрын
0:56 That's Jack Billingham, not Woodie Fryman. 6:17 Mark Littell pronounced his last name luh-TELL, not LID-ull. 16:16 The word is ulterior, not alterior.
@kenw2225
@kenw2225 Ай бұрын
I love Pete rose , as a player. He was that dude. Yea he sucks otherwise. He's not a cool guy in life
@kenw2225
@kenw2225 Ай бұрын
Granted, I have no doubt owners help influence the outcomes of games. The issue, is they don't like their employees having their own bets that could affect the outcomes the owners had in mind
@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973
@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973 Ай бұрын
You're not a cool guy in life AND nobody loves you for the way you do your job. So Pete is still one up on you
@harper-leightonscott4566
@harper-leightonscott4566 Ай бұрын
​@@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973 Defending rose is not the move
@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973
@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973 Ай бұрын
@@harper-leightonscott4566 whatever your move is , I will consistently make a different one
@Iamhungey
@Iamhungey Ай бұрын
@@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973 So basically if he chose not to do heroin, you will do it?
@mariovaccarella6854
@mariovaccarella6854 Ай бұрын
Great Video, on my favorite Dominican Ball Player, Mario Soto. I think that the overuse of him & other Cincinnati Reds Pitchers, on a 4 Man Rotation, not only shortened Mario Soto, as A Pitcher Career, but many of the other pitchers they had. Let me know what you think
@urbanleftbehind
@urbanleftbehind Ай бұрын
Definitely Tom Browning
@mariovaccarella6854
@mariovaccarella6854 Ай бұрын
@@urbanleftbehind Thank You for your comment. I think that they had even been overworking Mario Soto, Tom Seaver & Frank Pastore in the early 1980s. Let me know what you think
@martinedwards7758
@martinedwards7758 Ай бұрын
The winning pitcher of the 80s was Jack Morris
@joechang8696
@joechang8696 Ай бұрын
yep, back then, teams chewed up pitchers and spit them out, for the next sensation
@bobnewby9129
@bobnewby9129 Ай бұрын
And yet pitchers were so much more durable then. Compared to now when they are treated with kid gloves and have their UCL replaced as often as most people change underwear.
@Chris-vs7jz
@Chris-vs7jz Ай бұрын
My first favorite player
@humanbeing2420
@humanbeing2420 Ай бұрын
Your title says his career "was destroyed" but the video says otherwise.
@roland7584
@roland7584 Ай бұрын
He was pretty much done by age 28 with 3 awful years after that. I'd say it was destroyed one way or another, since he was definitely one of the top pitchers of the 80s up until that time.
@craigcavaliere6744
@craigcavaliere6744 Ай бұрын
8 and 2/3 in relief. Imagine that.
@roland7584
@roland7584 Ай бұрын
The record is 13 innings by Lindy McDaniel in 1973. Bob Stanley pitched 10 innings in relief in 1983 and Neil Allen pitched 9 in 1988. There are a number of others.
@MrKeychange
@MrKeychange Ай бұрын
You can build the same case for lots of guys being overused. Dwight Gooden lost his fastball for the same reason
@bobnewby9129
@bobnewby9129 Ай бұрын
B.S. Pitchers were much more durable then. Compared to now when they are treated with kid gloves and have their UCL replaced as often as most people change their underwear.
@MrKeychange
@MrKeychange Ай бұрын
@@bobnewby9129You're dreaming. How many pitchers lost their effectiveness early or their entire careers? Koufax had to stop in his prime. JR Richard, Frank Tanana, Gary Gentry, Mark Fidrych, Craig Swan... so many great arms never had a prime. Guys like Seaver lost their fastball at 32. The only difference today is they can be fixed.
@MrKeychange
@MrKeychange Ай бұрын
@@bobnewby9129 Look at the two great pitching staffs in the 69 World Series. Seaver, Koosman, Ryan and McGraw & Palmer were the only guys who didn't have a short prime. Ryan was the only guy who kept his FB and he pitched with a torn labrum
@Iamhungey
@Iamhungey 22 күн бұрын
Doc has other issues as well, not to mention Mets coaching trying to change him into a groundball pitcher doesn't help matters.
@MrKeychange
@MrKeychange 22 күн бұрын
@@Iamhungey Some of that was to try and save his shoulder. Gary Carter pointed a finger at Mel.
@italianwaterice9594
@italianwaterice9594 Ай бұрын
Rose said Except when Soto pitched because his odds were too high,, like 170/100 get your facts straight
@christophertifre2018
@christophertifre2018 Ай бұрын
Reds always have great pitchers but it seems like an injury curse in their primes
@craigcavaliere6744
@craigcavaliere6744 Ай бұрын
He started a brawl? The anti-DH people (Peter Gammons) would tell you that wouldn't happen if there wasn't a DH.
@Iamhungey
@Iamhungey Ай бұрын
Most exciting pitcher of the 1980s...Doc Gooden?
@jamesesterline
@jamesesterline Ай бұрын
Based for using MLB Power Pros music in the background
@terrondt
@terrondt Ай бұрын
Pete rose overused him?
@chriskroell6956
@chriskroell6956 27 күн бұрын
Fernando
@CalebsCards
@CalebsCards Ай бұрын
My mind literally went to that Pedro vs Don after seeing him do the same to Soto
@wento5461
@wento5461 Ай бұрын
Pete Rose is a paraiah but draft kings is ok???🤔🤔🤔
@bobnewby9129
@bobnewby9129 Ай бұрын
If you don't see the distinction between the two you are a fool.
@EricKoonitsky-s1d
@EricKoonitsky-s1d 17 күн бұрын
The Draft Kings relationship is MLB begging for trouble and it definitely reeks of hypocrisy. But Pete Rose was the worst case scenario manifested decades before that relationship was formed. And a PDF file and all around scumbag to boot. Rose getting caught for betting on baseball saved a lot of people who almost certainly would have defended him on the other stuff if that was what finally disgraced him.
@bradhorowitz2765
@bradhorowitz2765 Ай бұрын
Wow. Never heard of this guy! He def had a successful career. But it does make you wonder what woulda been? Anyway I appreciate you taking a look at rose’s managerial tenure with how he coached Soto, and really how the old school baseball mindset worked. Rose, whom I don’t think made him pitch anymore than he already did, certainly didn’t help matters by ingnoring Soto’s arm problems. I already head how he stifled the younger players by putting himself in the lineup everyday just so he could keep playing. And perhaps the old age question of the 80s lack of HOF pitchers is solved, pitchers began throwing harder and the workload grew. I mean Dave steib for example is the best pitcher of the 80s yet he suffered bad arm problems because of the workload, yet he eventually came back after taking a break. But admittedly that theory has holes.
@tonycrabtree3416
@tonycrabtree3416 Ай бұрын
Rose didn’t stifle anyone. 😂😂😂😂
@keysersoze503
@keysersoze503 Ай бұрын
Why of all pitchers was Soto compared to Marichal? Let me guess. When will YT video makers realize that AI narration is annoying and inaccurate?
@roland7584
@roland7584 Ай бұрын
Did you watch the video? There are a couple reasons.
@warrenoleary2168
@warrenoleary2168 Ай бұрын
Why not only native Americans playing in an American sport & business; charity begins at home .
@F40PH-2CAT
@F40PH-2CAT Ай бұрын
A 3.58 ERA in 1985 was mediocre at best. Substandard of expectations in the extreme. I hate it when kids who were born after the events they are commenting on try to make content.
@bobnewby9129
@bobnewby9129 Ай бұрын
Agreed. It was an ERA+ of 105.
@Landrew1208
@Landrew1208 Ай бұрын
Tommy John
@IAm-qf2xb
@IAm-qf2xb Ай бұрын
He works for the Reds. I call for Pedro Martinez to interview him, accompanied by Bill James as to the granular specifics of Rose’s usage of Soto. After that Pedro and Bill can properly offer Pete an opportunity to clarify, which won’t happen haha but if it did d it would be delicious. Pete had a lot of motivation to abuse Soto but the Dodgers were better in the end anyway.
@whatferd
@whatferd Ай бұрын
This proves Zimmer had cognitive problems
@elmascavidal1797
@elmascavidal1797 Ай бұрын
Seems like Don zimmer wanted smoke with Dominicans… 😂
@big6700
@big6700 Ай бұрын
Could you cover jamie moyer? Pitcher for the mariners philies etc.
@BaseballHistorian
@BaseballHistorian Ай бұрын
I made a video on Jamie Moyer a few months ago!
@Coldpack13
@Coldpack13 Ай бұрын
Mario Scotch and Soto.
@drbonesshow1
@drbonesshow1 Ай бұрын
Pete Rose was a jerk may his jerkness RIP.
@russell2910
@russell2910 Ай бұрын
Back in the day , no one liked soto. Can you blame them? If you win the games but dont go to a playoff, you have to question had's reality.
@yowil12
@yowil12 Ай бұрын
The goat uploaded
@kingezrareis6322
@kingezrareis6322 Ай бұрын
Where is Barry Bonds?
@chris48115
@chris48115 Ай бұрын
CAN HE SHUT UP
@oldmansportsog2514
@oldmansportsog2514 Ай бұрын
Calling Nolan Ryan the old guard in the 1980s not entirely true. He started in 69 but pitched into 90s
@kenw2225
@kenw2225 Ай бұрын
I was always taught as a pitcher if you hit batter to make sure catcher knows to get you a ball back asap. Just in case you get rushed by a hitter with a bat in hand, you have a ball to hit him with , again lol.
@ByiLHS
@ByiLHS Ай бұрын
Have you seen Major League 3? thats where I learned it XD
@dpm2515
@dpm2515 Ай бұрын
Man.What a great video I consider myself in the top 52 ten percent of baseball fans in terms of knowledge and i've never heard of him. His entire career took place before I was born but still I'd like to think I have heard of the greats in the eighties and seventies
@positively_broad_st3780
@positively_broad_st3780 Ай бұрын
How do you even arrive to decide that you are in the top 52% of all baseball fans? 😂...🙄
@hockeydude6
@hockeydude6 Ай бұрын
Sure looks like Don Zimmer had a thing for charging after Dominicans... 🤔
@therealbs2000
@therealbs2000 Ай бұрын
Oh I get it! You are implying a racism!
@ethanniedorowski116
@ethanniedorowski116 Ай бұрын
Maybe he just dosent like spicy talkers
@MIKIEEYEZ1975
@MIKIEEYEZ1975 22 күн бұрын
@@therealbs2000Zimmer Full blown racist.. my humble opinion
@sea4our
@sea4our Ай бұрын
i had no idea Soto was such a scrapper
@RythymBeast
@RythymBeast 7 күн бұрын
"No love for Pete Rose". Lol well there goes what little credibility you had left. Pete Rose is baseball. Goofy youtubers are gonna be goofy, I suppose. Unsubbed.
@cardboardempire
@cardboardempire Ай бұрын
Jack Morris WAR 43.5.....Dave Steib WAR 56.4.....Let that sink in
@MikeinAmman
@MikeinAmman Ай бұрын
Thank God we live in an era when we actually care about athletes' well-being, and pitching injuries are a thing of the past.
@thirdlegstalliano
@thirdlegstalliano Ай бұрын
People still can't stand that Pete Rose bet on the Reds to win and they did win.
@sheawhitey5009
@sheawhitey5009 Ай бұрын
I'm sorry but he bet on baseball.And don't you believe for 2 minutes by looking at some of the moves he made while he was a manager. Are you bet on his team to lose to believe that. And I love Pete Rose as a player. Charlie hustle always have a place in my heart.
@guyfuller1369
@guyfuller1369 Ай бұрын
Pete Rose’s mistake was simply bad timing. Pro sports exist today primarily to drive the gambling industry. I confess the guilt of overstatement. Overstatement, however, throws a bright light upon the truth.
@thecaveman3503
@thecaveman3503 Ай бұрын
This isn't about Pete rose tho now is it? Nope
@kenw2225
@kenw2225 Ай бұрын
He's part of the video.
@Iamhungey
@Iamhungey Ай бұрын
It also doesn't help that he denied betting on baseball for over a decade before coming clean because he had a book coming out.
@roland7584
@roland7584 Ай бұрын
The gambling industry is still out there for the fans. Nothing has been changed to say players and managers can bet on the games simply because it's now legal and easily accessible.
@michaelmitchell570
@michaelmitchell570 Ай бұрын
Is he related to Juan Soto
@MIKIEEYEZ1975
@MIKIEEYEZ1975 22 күн бұрын
His Uncle
@philbruin
@philbruin Ай бұрын
Jack Morris??? lose that historian label please.
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