He Who Moans Reviews: Doctor Who: The Faceless Ones (2020)

While making animated reconstructions of episodes that exist sounds stupid, in principle: I get why they did the whole thing
/ stubagful

[@Stubagful]

For the record, i am back at work now, so expect uploads to slow down a bit after june. I had a feeling this was coming so I got a decent amount of work done on June's videos leading up to returning

[@carealoo744]

Hooray! Hopefully this is a sign that society is beginning to get better again!... I really hope so :)

[@LCProductionCompany]

@@carealoo744 in the UK all nonessential shops are beginning to re-open.

[@mahoganycurry8623]

Have you ever watched "life on Mars"?

[@lifeonmarsproductions]

Carlos Foulkes good question

[@Stubagful]

Yes I did upload this earlier but I had to fix it because I made a stupid mistake again and had to do a quick fix, apologies for the confusion again. RIP previous comment section

[@brendanmccabe8373]

What was the mistake I didn’t catch it

[@RobTFilms]

@@brendanmccabe8373 He doxxed himself by accident

[@skeleytonz5319]

I wonder if Stubagful will ever review one of the doctor who books we have a milion of, i think some of them are real hidden gems.

[@noahjohnson5603]

I would love to hear him talk about the Target books and some of the recent ones. I think the Genesis of the Daleks novelization is fantastic and Touched by an Angel is one of my favorites.

[@englishgiraffe2124]

Hope that he reviews the EDA Books. To me, they're the most definitive run of Doctor Who besides the 1960s.

[@maxkennedy7430]

I would most certainly love to hear what he has to say about the VMA’s, EDA’s and PDA’s.

[@iain9757]

Anyway stuff The Faceless Ones - FURY OF THE DEEP IS NEXT

[@pious83]

As said in the video, it is really weird how long Fury of the Deep has been _Coming Soon_

[@iain9757]

pious83 yeh it’s Doctor Who and I’m a big finish fan, a year is nothing

[@HARSA-gn1mp]

Iain 97 do you think fury is still gonna come out this year considering all the virus stuff that’s going on

[@shortangel333]

@@iain9757 Big Finish fans literally wait like 2 months for new boxsets. (Okay that's an exaggeration but they literally just pump out so much content and its like... the tv show can't do this? Remember when they would pump out 30 episodes a year? Maybe they were doing something right in the 60s... well I guess quality over quantity but... Big Finish has both quality and quantity. The tv show... not so much.)

[@thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051]

Honestly, I'm pretty surprised that they brought in the ghost of Stanley Kubrick to direct the series opener for Series 2 of Coronavirus. The episode was pretty wild

[@iain9757]

I thought had to animated it all and do a colour version was because it was what BBC AMERICA wanted who are co funding them ?

[@sentairider152]

They are

[@alexgoddard5778]

Super impressed by the animation, they've got real backing and incredible talented people with a dying desire to create and give us beautiful stories.

[@8MillsProductions]

I was honestly expecting a bigger reaction, for Fury from the Deep being animated.

[@JAProductions494]

I have now seen this story and I can safely say I hugely disagree! I flipping love this story and I think that 6 parts works in its benefit and I was never bored. This was probably not a story for you though

[@sentairider152]

I would love to see the abominable snowman animated next and evil of the Daleks

[@JoesAnimationHub]

Evil of the Daleks is a must... Rob Ritchie (who had a hand in animating Power of the Daleks if I'm not mistaken) has done some screen test material of "The Final End", I think having Evil of the Daleks would round off Troughton's Dalek years very nicely

[@eccentriastes6273]

I remember Abominable Snowmen having especially low quality telesnaps so yeah, that's a good target for animation.

[@iain9757]

Joe Taylor I would assume all the Dalek ones will be done because daleks

[@alexzander4426]

What I was expecting: A slightly insightful review of a show that a cynical KZbinr loves. What I watched: THIS STORY IS AN ACTUAL AIRPORT. ZOMG! IT’S SO META! Lol. Love the reviews, but jeez. Did you ever leave the terminal?

[@Stubagful]

*me about halfway throughr the faceless ones*: DUDE!! WHAT IF THE EPISODE WAS THE AIRPORT ITSELF I think my brain was just rotting out my ears by episode 4

[@alexzander4426]

@@Stubagful With every single person that watches the DVD, the airport just becomes more and more real. Maybe I should get this DVD instead of flying. Sounds like a better airport experience than actually going to an airport.

[@GhostLightPhilosophy]

The Faceless Ones is one of my favourite stories. Great suspense building with a great supporting cast. Yes the ending is a bit anti climactic but the 6 episodes for me fly by.

[@Cyber_Smoke]

Personally I don't get why people think this drags I've watched it three times since the release and love it more with every watch but people also say the space museum is rubbish.

[@steveg5122]

The animated macra terror was fun

[@mrattapuss]

i think the flips in Shada work because of how prolific it is as THE unfinished episode

[@HiperPivociarz]

I guess my one problem is that I don't really think air travel is like something that's wrong with society, and therefore I don't think it really needed a sci fi story that serves as a critique of this issue.

[@robmcclory5491]

I've seen first hand character turnarounds for the fury from the deep animation and have spoken to the executive producer. the artwork by the way is amazing. I am confident that the animation will be very good and just as well done as the faceless ones.

[@Stubagful]

Encouraged :)

[@mjolner6792]

Very excited to see how you find the fury from the deep. Aside from Victoria's send off, it's bloody glorious!

[@Joshml98]

My review of the faceless ones: ive watched the animation 3 times and listened to the soundtrack before that... but i still cant recall what the hell its about i tend to zone out a little bit

[@Yan_Alkovic]

I think I’m gonna want to actually go ahead and watch some of these now, thanks to all of your reviews... I would always skip the missing episodes on watch-throughs of the show, because I never had the patience to sit through them, but this is probably gonna help tons

[@carealoo744]

Region 1 release is October... Again. :(

[@adamfreddo5703]

I think having the 1.5 speed option does help when watching these on a ps4. Helps get past the parts that drag.

[@iain9757]

I don’t really understand why there’s a demand for Big Finish animation when the interest in Classic Who animation isn’t really that profitable

[@TheatreJosh24601]

Big Finish stories are made with a modern production team and with modern sensibilities about what we expect from Doctor Who, and, most importantly, a modern sense of pacing. I love the Big Finish First Doctor Adventures, for example, but every actual Hartnell serial I've watched is painfully slow. As Stu implies, a lot of classic Who really could have used another run through the editing team, but they were often actively trying to artificially extend the runtime.

[@andrewlaporte5477]

In my mind profit and demand are two different things. Patrons were basically the consumers and demand for arts projects in Renaissance culture, but that doesn't mean that the peasants didn't want their own cistine chapel--they just lacked the means. I bet there's some millionaire out there ready to put down a million pounds to see a project finished (like George Harrison for Life of Brian), but they'd probably be hard to find!

[@iain9757]

Andrew LaPorte I mean when you must hand over money people say no

[@iain9757]

Theodore Francis Allen so ?

[@TheatreJosh24601]

@@iain9757 Sorry, in retrospect, I forgot to actually land my point. I was saying that, while the lost episode animations might not be particularly profitable or successful, Big Finish animations might very well be incredibly successful, as many of the stories would likely have greater mass appeal. I'm not saying that the new Big Finish stories are necessarily better than the classic lost episodes, but that they're written by professional lifelong fans for a modern audience of lifelong fans.

[@WebertHest]

Is it the same team who does Archer, or is that just a common animation style?

[@thomasstevens2746]

My favorite second doctor anninmation

[@sirjedisentinel]

I think part of why the surviving episodes are being animated is because the team doing this also releases them in color (Just getting around to watching this, so if you've gotten this comment tons of times already, I apologize)

[@the_flyattractor8656]

Ok. I just looked... The Blu Ray is now avaliable in the U.S... but the DVD won't get released until October? Da FUH!?

[@retroblasting]

Yes!!!!! New Stubagful!!!!!

[@grfgtbhh34]

Well, if I’m not mistaken, I think the Fury from the Deep animation isn’t being handled by the usual people, it’s actually being handled by Big Finish... Which is weird because they’re an audio company not an animation house...

[@iain9757]

Oh I forgot to comment about how Clayton Hickman got pissed and blocked me because I said I didn’t really want another version of Shada. He was pissed he’d done a cover for them for free and it wasn’t used so decided to take it out on random twitter people who weren’t 100% behind him lol

[@dalekemperor1984]

The common complaint of this story being too long and should have been a 4 parter is shared with the writers. Because it was originally written as a 4 part story idea that was then made by the script editors request to become a 6 parter. It was also originally for the 1st Doctor Ben and Polly in a shopwhich was then changed to be set in an airport have the 2nd Doctor, add Jamie and add an extra two episodes.

[@gordonrazey3780]

Fury from the deep is out 14th September according to the zavvi steelbook listing

[@cosmichobo4216]

I Don't Mind if they Animated Episodes that still Exist It Would also probably help my OCD

[@shortangel333]

I recently got the faceless ones and the macra terror, watched them a week apart and... I don't really know what to say. They were decent. I liked them but that's about that. I feel kind of dead now considering I was genuinely excited to watch the faceless ones in its entirety and now I have the episode. I watched it and it was fun but I kinda wished there was a bit more because the next episode is the evil of the daleks and is missing... but guess what they decided to skip... yeah cool I want to experience all of the missing animated episodes and making a dalek one will probably be difficult considering that licensing crap plus the missing dalek episodes are... shall we say the serials with not the shortest episode counts. Baiscally, I liked the episodes but want more because I'm impatient.

[@zenileon]

I have a feeling that a truckload of missing episodes will turn up for th e shows 60th anniversary.

[@shenanigans8353]

The story does indeed have that odd duality to it dragged out in a way that's both frustrating and immersive at the same time I think its awkward as ben and polly's final story considering they are absent in eps 3-5 and only turn up in last three mins of ep 6 to say "it just happened to be the day we originally left so we're staying... see ya" I guess it must have been a contract thing but still

[@samcampbell2944]

You should review the short film detainment it’s a hard watch but it’s a very good short film

[@HiperPivociarz]

The biggest loss out of this is that no one will be able to read our deep, thematic analysis of the Dalek Dickhead from the comment section of the last video.

[@ender7278]

You say this story drags on, but I never thought so. The Macra Terror however did.

[@almyvannucci392]

UK release date has been announced for Fury from the Deep being the 14th of September

[@arcadeassassin7176]

this may seem sort of random as it has nothing to do with the video but if your ever looking for a good graphic novel to read i think you might enjoy arkham asylum: a serious house on serious earth.

[@thelegendthemyththeman4772]

What the hell??

[@brokcen2748]

8oo8s

[@lifeonmarsproductions]

Sorry to be that guy but do more 8th doctor audio videos!

[@pal-of-pals]

I'd argue that it'd be nice to have the option to watch the surviving episodes alongside the animated reconstructions, instead of just one or the other. If The Invasion, The Moonbase, The Tenth Planet and The Reign of Terror did it, then why can't we have the option with the recent releases that have surviving episodes?

[@EditedAF987]

That’s actually an option on disc one. You can hit play all on just the animated episodes, or hit play all with the surviving episodes included. Not sure about later releases though.

[@DoctorWhoHome1]

I always did like the faceless oens so I need to dig into this release!

[@robguitarwizard]

I have the telesnap fan reconstruction of this which includes the two surviving episodes. I thought it was a great cracking story. I like the long 'serials'. I guess not everyone has the attention span. Note : Doctor Who was meant to be watched one episode per week, not in one sitting! And stories could often stretch over a month or two.

[@rokcafella]

Yep, that's the way I watch it (rewatch it)

[@matty.r23]

Great review! The animations keep getting better!

[@mathieuleader8601]

THE CHEMELEONS ARE DUE FOR A COMEBACK

[@RobTFilms]

nice save, and fab review stu :)

[@Stubagful]

if annotations were still a thing I probably could've covered it - I remember doing that years ago, can't remember the video, could've been a pre-stubagful channel

[@RobTFilms]

@@Stubagful yeah annoying how they got rid of them tbh

[@Stubagful]

@@RobTFilms ikr!! they were useful!!

[@RobTFilms]

@@Stubagful no links to related videos in the video, no skipping to specific points in the video, mad

[@fattestboyslimmer2403]

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[@iamnottheguy8914]

I'm getting the strangest sense of deja vu.

[@RobTFilms]

He accidentally showed his address on Amazon at the end

[@Stubagful]

I blame amazon!! There's no bloody need for the address to be in that corner of the screen...okay yes it was my fault. Also thanks for pointing it out

[@iamnottheguy8914]

Oh shit, that could've gone badly, thx for pointing it out Rob.

[@RobTFilms]

@@Stubagful i try to protecc

[@HereComesPopoBawa]

It's the mind!

[@tedmiller210]

Anyone else want them to animate the doctor who audio dramas?

[@Cyber_Smoke]

Yes but with a different animation team the best ones to do would be spare parts or davros and if they're successful start a Paul Mcgann animated series hand picking the best.

[@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502]

As a massive big finish fan, I dont. the stories were written and made specifucally for the audio medium, so there is no point in giving them animations, unlike the missing episodes which were meant to have visuals to go along with them and loose some, or in some cases a lot, of their impact without them. Plus Plenty of audio stories would have to be massively rewritten due to things that work in an audio but not when visuals are present (exposition would need to be changed drastically for example) and there are a few stories which would straight up not be possible in a visual medium (scherzo and natural history of fear come to mind). To put simply, theres nothing wrong with the audios as they are and i dont think its worth all the time it would take to rework them into an animation when only a few stories would even translate well to animation anyway.

[@Cyber_Smoke]

@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 I disagree there is plenty of stories that could work in animation and they don't exactly go around explaining the sets each time there's a new scene.

[@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502]

@@Cyber_Smoke its not just the descriptions of the "sets" (for lack of a better word) its the whole way that information is given to the listener over the course of the entire story and how the characters are conveyed.

[@Cyber_Smoke]

@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 I don't know personally I think some could translate well, every audio I've heard so far would.

[@BritishBriggsy]

This has made my day! Thank you :)

[@alexgoddard5778]

100%👌

[@HerohammerStudios]

I will never understand people who like (or hell, even tolerate) the terrible, boring animation in these reconstructions

[@EditedAF987]

Their tolerance was probably built up by the rest of classic who.

[@TimeForTeletubbiesFAN]

I find the animation took a step back a bit in the faceless ones. And the story is 2 episodes to long and got very boring and drags it’s feet a lot

[@carealoo744]

I do not understand why they're making black and white animations. You can just turn down the colour setting on your TV. It takes like 15 seconds.

[@gordonrazey3780]

Because fans will be outraged if it’s not included. It doesn’t cost any extra to include both versions. Plus for stories that have existing episodes will be in 4:3 in black and white to match the existing episodes and the colour version will be in 16:9 so it makes sense to include both

[@EditedAF987]

People generally don’t like to fiddle with their TV settings.

[@carealoo744]

@@EditedAF987 Why? It's like changing the volume.

[@EditedAF987]

@@carealoo744 changing the volume is as simple as pressing a button on the remote. TV settings require you to get up off the sofa and manually fiddle with a bunch of buttons on the screen itself. This is not something tv watchers do daily, like pressing the volume button, so it will initially feel like a more complex process. Viewers are also likely accustomed to their default settings, meaning if they change it, there’s a risk they’ll forget the initial settings, which causes further hassle. The average person is not going to go through all that for the sake of Doctor Who and the Faceless Ones.

[@carealoo744]

@@EditedAF987 Get up off the couch? You literally just press the settings button on your remote and go down to color and then there's a dial there for everyone's convenience. Since changing the color isn't something most people do it requires pressing 3 buttons instead of 1, but hey- I guess a whole extra disc is worth the hassle of an extra 10 seconds and zero movement.