Head Tracking Sucks | Star Citizen

[@BlackMaze]

VR in Star Citizen is EXTREMELY limited and VERY taxing on the hardware. You can use VorpX to get a 2D image inside your HMD and use its tracking to control the mouse for XY head look. It's a great first impression but NOT REAL VR!

[@ixpl0it]

wow - will try out 😎 thx

[@planetwally]

another way is using Virtual Desktop instead of VorpX - i detail how to on my channel - glad you had a shot at it, it definitely is not a polished method, but is fun nonetheless

[@Wbroach24]

I need to get mine set up right, what are you using for head tracking? I just have my track ir 5 lukeclip 2.0 velcro'd to the side of my HMD like my headset lol.

[@BlackMaze]

@@Wbroach24 VorpX is the head tracker. It moves the mouse cursor and in game I have the mouse cursor set to head look. Your method is better cause it allows positional tracking!

[@spectrem1858]

@@BlackMaze OpenTrack is better for HMD tracking as it will send TrackIR to SC rather than Mouse. In VorpX, turn off Head Sensitivity or set it to 0. This will seperate it from the mouse completely. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZ-YlpJrrtqDqpY Script for Oculus Touch support if anyone wants it, as well as links to OpenTrack/VorpX setup.

[@scubarubanzaii]

The day Star Citizen manages full VR support is the day I am all in.

[@Wbroach24]

Their promise for full proper VR support and the ship interiors when I started looking into the project are what got me to back in 2019. I still have fun on my monitor. I have vorpx but not the space to set my VR up at the moment to get the settings right in vorpx and the game.

[@DamonCzanik]

That day may be closer than many think. With Gen12 in the game, the next step is switching to Gen12 Vulkan. That has been in development at the same time as Vulkan. They estimated it would be 1 patch behind Gen 12 (which is done in 3.18). The dev said he'd work on it immediately once Vulkan was implemented, even if he had to work on it during non-working hours. So maybe 2023?

[@scubarubanzaii]

I sure hope it comes soon, well implemented. After Elite: Dangerous just stagnated hard while dropping the ball, I’ve been wanting another VR space experience.

[@spectrem1858]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZ-YlpJrrtqDqpY I've written a script if anyone would like to use Oculus Touch controls as HOSAS/AirMouse Gamepad. Quite immersive.

[@SampoSaarela]

In the post announcing the gen 12 renderer they teased about some feature after Vulkan implementation that they are "most excited about" which to me sounds like VR.

[@jonahhekmatyar]

I cannot wait for the new race tracks after watching this.

[@niklasdahlgren7641]

Head tracking and having linked unmanned turrets is awesome, being able to strafe a more nimble enemy with your super hornets top and chin turret is FUN.

[@romamoran1337]

The day they physicalize the pool tables on Carrack/600I/890J is the day I break my bank.

[@Raptor-rt1jz]

That was some of the best flying I've seen yet, right up to the time you hit that post lol. Two sticks and VR, now that will be sweet.

[@memezarthereviewer5048]

better is gloves

[@OrionKaelinClips]

Its not ideal with a fixed monitor but I play with it all the time and jsut being able to quickly glance in a direction without having to change how Im using my controls at the moment is extremely useful. Also that as the same time you can use the FOIP feature to broadcast your face to other players,. Even as sparse and janky as it is right now is great to see some facial movement when interacting with others in game

[@AlexeiX1]

It would be great if the game wasn’t so heavily desynched right now. Don’t know how they screwed it up so badly, like 6 months ago it was so good.

[@MrSolLeks]

Way back when there was janky support for vr in sc. I used to stream it ever so often (some vids on my channel) and it was amazing to fly in 3d around the areana commander maps, also sat in my connie in vr in the hanger. This was on a dk1. Good times.

[@MikePhilbin1966]

CIG's graphics Gen12 engine coder Sylvan, "Really loves VR," and is hellu-keen to implement VR in SC, once Vulkan's in.

[@lukasdedic7614]

Played SC for a few days. I really love the concept, this is one of the games I could get lost in completely, and build an entire virtual life inside 🤣 But I feel a bit too old for the grind that comes with that playstyle, and I already play ED and DCS in VR, so... But the day this gets 3d support, I will buy the quickest ship in the game, and just fly around, ignoring the rest of the game 😁

[@M4ndor1an]

You should really try it. There is no age limit and the grind is not as back as you probably think :)

[@shacknu9375]

Smooth flying like a true racer!

[@brendansully12]

Great flying. I usually hate this kind of music but it really worked for this. While I did enjoy the video I was disappointed because I thought you would be comparing different types of head tracking devices. Still really glad to have watched it though, might even use this footage to explain to my friends why I love this game so much.

[@Jcee4]

Head tracking is awesome, I use it for all my sims. VR rules for immersion though ... its a personal preference regardless which you go for as they both come with pros and cons. Seeing my peripherals, 2nd screen (OBS, discord, etc), and utilising high end monitor performance ticks the boxes for me at a fraction of the price, but the immersion experience from VR is outstanding. @BlackMaze - Nice flying 👊

[@LeslieWorks]

Wondering what your control scheme is. Yaw roll and pitch setup on those sticks

[@ubermk3]

SC + Tobii Eyetracker 5 is the shit. Best way to play until VR is fully integrated.

[@the5starx]

3:06 that was smooth af

[@hectatusbreakfastus6106]

The first time I saw the work Palmer Lucky was doing I knew that VR flight sims were going to be the only thing that really takes full advantage of the tech. I think we are still a long way out from having VR become what it should be, the quality headsets are far too expensive and bulky. Awesome flying though that was very impressive! I do think though that the time Star Citizen is fully released consumer VR headsets will be at the right quality and price point for most people.

[@nevadareno5752]

I dont use VorpX to play in VR, i use OpenTrack and use it within my headsets "desktop" tho i would need to up the resolution to make it not as fuzzy when i enlarge it to fit my peripheral vision and some.

[@gawl8148]

Could you walk through this setup? What you use, how you do it?

[@ProPotato]

So I got Head Tracking (Delan Clip) about a month ago. First thing I found/felt was the monitor felt too small height wise, (34" Ultrawide) so I went and bought a 48" UltraGear, dialed in the tracking again and that felt SOO much better! (I'd hate to use tracking on a 27" or lower) Another thing I found is that I don't really utilize it much for racing. It's awesome for flying around and PVP, but I found with racing I'm pretty much just aiming straight ahead. I think a peripheral setup would be more beneficial for racing, like triple moniotor SIM Racing setups.

[@EricWilliamsCG]

I was under the impression that Easy Anti Cheat blocked Vorpx from working. Did they patch recently to allow Vorpx?

[@hectatusbreakfastus6106]

It's going to be so darn awesome when persistence and server meshing is complete and we can just be traveling about and then encounter players like you doing these kinds of things in game. I am looking forward to getting dual sticks

[@ducktape4502]

I honestly am excited for this future. We are to young in technology to explore the stars but with things like star citizen and vr technology evolving we will be allowed to live a similar life through that. We just cant let it consume us even though we want it to

[@geardownflapsup9344]

for vr you need to fix objects popping in and out close distance ( that is to save RAM ).

[@arunoe1]

This is like watching an FPV drone video

[@Sinkatze]

I was confused about the title since VR also has head tracking, but I get it. The future VR in Star Citizen will be amazing

[@Nemethon]

Im sure somewhere in the future it will get VR. I have Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous. Elite can be played in VR. VR is perfect for space games.

[@Ghlain]

Even with Tobii, it adds so much to immersion. Going to other games that dont support it and hotas just rubs me the wrong way. It really spoiled me.

[@reezlaw]

Are you an FPV pilot? Those are drone moves! Incredible flying!

[@andrebullitt7212]

I do drone fpv racing and freestyle, and I thought the same thing.

[@reezlaw]

@@andrebullitt7212 he must be a pilot too. Those dives are too typical

[@Schwing27]

Is there a video on how to set this up? I have a reverb g2 as well and I’d like to try this.

[@yega3k]

I recon the biggest challenge would be mapping all those keybindings to actions in VR because you can't see your keyboard anymore. You can't even see the buttons on your joysticks / throttle. But I don't know anything about VR so I'm probably just talking nonsense lol. Awesome flying though!

[@13lacle]

That would be a little bit of a problem, but you can do a lot by feel especially with joysticks. At least one company (Varjo) is working on pass through windows, they are the most expensive consumer headset though. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGS1hGaIdsxkbM0 I imagine the pass through window software would work with any headset if they were feeling generous.

[@chrisshepherd1447]

How about pairing VR with something like Voice Attack then all you have to do is literally tell the game what you want it to do ;-)

[@Benjamin-578]

Hi, are you using the virple VPC warBRD base on both controls?

[@sheg9629]

Chris Roberts just confirmed VR coming to Starcitizen and it is being worked currently, damn i cant imagine, i got a Quest 3 collecting dust somewhere

[@Givy55]

I played NO Man Sky in VR and it's awesome. I hope they bring VR to Star Citizen someday! It was made for VR!!

[@_Addi_]

VorpX supports 3d as well. You just have to get the settings right. Used to do it all the time with my Index.

[@nolinohesi3395]

When there's vr support, I'm never playing another game

[@ZegothBane]

lol this was fun to watch! I have the oculus rift but its not setup yet.. I'm waiting on my dual VKB gladiator sticks!!

[@Leptospirosi]

The BIG PROBLEM with VR is that you completely lose access to your keyboard and mouse. an Head tracker or Eye tracker allows you yo see your surrounding and input complex command but with a VR helmet you cannot.

[@mwRafee]

Yes but star citizen is very interactive with physical buttons and interactions that can be done in vr by the player without needing kbm

[@dkindig]

@@mwRafee I have dual VKB Gladiator NXT's and I STILL don't have enough buttons to map everything I use...

[@rhadiem]

Joysticks FTW. Learn to multi-mode the buttons, or use Voice Attack.

[@dkindig]

@@rhadiem That's a good suggestion. SC already supports some degree of multi-mode with the division between flight, vehicle and fps and I'm using that, but I know that VKB makes some tools that could possibly do a better job.

[@WigganNuG]

You can actually use KBM with a VR headset as well as a Hotas. Many people do it. Check out VRCitizen. Knowing how to touch type combined seeing under the headset if needed makes it quite easy to do. It's certainly not perfect but I used to play exclusively in VR.

[@pmcomputing2459]

Im using the free Desktop + app in Steam + opentrack app and set trackir in Star Citizen to acheive the same, it works but extremely laggy on I7-13700k - RTX 4080 + Valve Index

[@GeoWhizzz]

what hook method did you use? i cant get past EAC, and where is the settings for mouse curser to be head look?

[@Batlafication]

Are you doing this with or without edge peak? When i do it without edgepeak i get lag, a lot of lag!

[@Turk10mm]

TrackIR when configured correctly is the next best thing and in many ways superior IMHO. I've been using it for many years on any number of sims and SC.

[@tongueoutlikeiammichael9654]

What VR headset are you using? Are you using VorpX as well? I have a HP Reverb G2 and haven’t been able to use it yet due to EAC blocking VorpX

[@DPendrillion]

Now do that with a Freemax :) Just kidding. Nice. I always thought VR would not run for SC. Its so naturally a game made for VR though.

[@krazzin8990]

are you able to link your keybindings?

[@AgnosiaAgnosis]

Head tracking is sweet with Tobii

[@nolinohesi3395]

Can I run this with a 3060 and ryzen 7 64 gigs ram

[@doctorcollosus]

That's some nifty flying !

[@elucinator9982]

This is the best and the most beautiful star citizen video i have seen yet. This game has soo much potential. I would recommend a vr headset over an expensive monitor. Soo much worth it.

[@Solo_01]

Hmmm... the flying was excellent I must say even though you crashed at the end and possibly crashed a couple of other times before you cut to another flight. I fly pretty well myself but not better than what you displayed in the video! Gives me something to shoot for! Nice work. Question though: So, was that flying in VR or was that you imagining being in VR while playing SC? So, "Head Tracking Sucks" is your opinion, and I can see your perspective (no pun intended) when dealing with only flying around and nothing more. I for one use Tobii eyetracker and in my opinion VR doesn't come close. What I would like to see is someone using VR and not only flying but also performing other Star Citizen functions and tasks with the VR goggles on. I like Tobii because I don't want to be feeling around like I'm in the dark for other keys and controls that I have. Ya, my HOTAS, I have everything in flight bound for the most part and could easily do flight with VR goggles. SC has too many buttons to bind between HOTAS, Keyboard & Mouse, Joystick and whatever controllers we use. I have two smart pads set up for my MFDs through GameGlass. I love to be able to see what I'm pressing on my pads without guess work or fat-fingering the pads I use. Oh well, I guess to each their own. But until VR makes goggles translucent or something of the sort it will always be EyeTracker/HeadTracker > VR for me in Star Citizen.

[@BlackMaze]

This was all one take :) I was flying in 2D VR, see the pinned comment!

[@Moolann-]

when he goes over some building it looks like his engines just turned off and he gliding or floating before falling, how does he do that.

[@BlackMaze]

Fly in decoupled... Throw your ship into a nice vector and take your left hand off thrust inputs and float :)

[@Moolann-]

@@BlackMaze oooh ok thank you so much!

[@sirbalthazar1926]

Rocking the Long sleeves I see. Its was -13c here the other day and still jammin in t-shirt n shorts. 🤪

[@cyberthekitsune3070]

ik i am late but can you give tutorial?

[@Suzuki_Hiakura]

The maneuvers around the first bridge had me on edge. They were super cool, but I am curious how much time you spent practicing.

[@ImaITman]

It's easier than you'd think just due to fine control allowed on sticks & the capabilities of the ship.

[@piedpiper1172]

BM is one of the top racers in SC as well, so… he’s had a bit of practice.

[@Suzuki_Hiakura]

@@piedpiper1172 Did not know that lol

[@kevinlink8605]

that is so sick, i wish i could play the whole game like this

[@TheRealHolymark]

hey, i havent heard this song in such a long time, could you please tell me the name of it :)?

[@S386LWBNM]

Never thought about setting up the vr with this. What's the process to get it working? Last time I heard of something similar was for ArmA 3, but had high motion sickness due to the low res of vr at the time, zero depth from the 2d imaging, and weird motions. Motion sickness isn't too much of a concern for me though. I play DiRT Rally in VR.

[@BlackMaze]

Just run VorpX and start the desktop viewer and make sure the mouse cursor tracking is turned on. It does all the heavy lifting!

[@giovannibarison4373]

Gaming chair name?

[@ForScienceSC]

Cool vid! You gotta do this at orison or snake pit. See our stunt vids to see what I mean. Those spots are amazing.

[@AbenteuerSchatzsuche]

it looks like you basically flying an FPV drone in SC ahahhaha So cool, really liking it as im flying an FPV drone aswell , so flying a spaceship on another planet like my drone appeals to me :P

[@WeirdWizardDave]

One day, OH GLORIOUS DAY...

[@cptrockstar3292]

Awesome video and great flying! question who is the artist you are using for music? sounds dope!

[@bogdanrotaru6101]

when is VR coming for SC?

[@legatusnavium7060]

I switched from VR to Tobii 5- very happy with that choice😀

[@edafa_ukafa5977]

This is what I've been wanting for so long.

[@phoenixsui]

VR sucks. I much prefere Track IR. Nice flying. I think personally VR is as useless as 3D cinema. I am fine with it as long as it doesnt get forced on everyone like other things.

[@THEDARKILLERS46]

This must be completely epic god dammit I can't wait for this !

[@zoscran]

when i see that i wish i can have an offline stand alone version of Arena commander and more more maps that happend on planet not juste the race one it can be less taxing on the hardware and we can put ods like VR easely

[@modusponen1447]

So obviously you use stick stick, but could you maneuver like that (theoretically) using stick and throttle?

[@phoenixsui]

why not, maybe pedals as well.

[@modusponen1447]

@@phoenixsui I that's what I'm asking. I have one stick and don't know.

[@b-dogmcglovin1093]

that is some next level flying!!! niiiice!!!!!

[@netshaman9918]

Can't wait me too ! PS: trees are a plague...^^

[@thelordsanguine6383]

Man I wish my minimum spec pc would allow me to fly through cabbage like that :( I'd be just doing that non-stop lmao

[@S-i-t-a]

HP Reverb G2?

[@rhadiem]

Nice screens, crap tracking/controllers.

[@BlackMaze]

Yep!

[@BlackMaze]

So very true!

[@imperator_shlepa]

А вот теперь представьте что чувствует его персонаж если он отключил гравитацию в корабле

[@serrethindustries9468]

Nah fam. VR in SC will always be disappointing compared to a simpit. Head tracking is the way to go, 100%

[@THE.RATGOD]

Track ir is working perfectly in sc.

[@YaelToral]

3:45 i think someone crashed there e_e hahah

[@nazaxprime]

I'm sorry but any large developer not supporting VR from 2020 forward is inexcusable in from 22 forward, it's unforgivable.

[@amazingadams6723]

Thats some epic flying

[@Osashes]

Head tracking rules!

[@Weevil-Knievel1134]

Insane Pilot skills 🚀

[@robertgrant537]

Nice fu#@ing flying man!!! Beautifully done vid!

[@explodogames2774]

call me crazy but I will always take head tracking over VR I prefer it way more. I cannot stand a VR headset on my head. maybe one day when VR is basically like sunglasses , then i'll reconsider but until then. VR is just an uncomfortable way to do what i can already do without it. I also get real tired of being in VR within about 45 minutes.

[@DerpMcDerp101]

Good music good flyin = good content. How many times have you crashed to get that run under control like that? i bet it was a lot lol. Well done.

[@BlackMaze]

That was a single attempt 😎

[@Liqweed1337]

vorpX method is not possible anymore because of the Easy-Anti-Cheat implementation

[@beaprostore]

damnn! what a flight , bro!

[@Roboticus_Prime_RC]

And CIG wants to slow this down.

[@TheManCaveMike]

one day....More like one decade....

[@jaqhass]

Did you know, star citizen will actually have it's release in less than 100 yeras.

[@hollywoodguy70]

What is your definition of release? The game's been out for 7 years. Do you mean the patch after the last wipe? When insurance kicks in? Death of a spaceman penalty? Maintenance mode when 99% of the developers are laid off before the death knells of the imminent shutdown ?

[@jaqhass]

@@hollywoodguy70 When the game is no longer in alpha, beta or early access. It is currently in alpha. Beta when all mechanics are in place but need polishing to work better. Balancing not part of the equation.

[@neonspark707]

Ok, but head tracking still better than nothing imo. And if you have a large screen, it is really game changing.

[@frankindabank]

Yep. Because Star Citizen is so demanding I just built a new pc and are able to play on my 55" 4k oled TV - pretty damn good...

[@nicolette_of_the_void]

Oh wow I have a better one for you homie. Why don't you just use the track IR and parallel it to your VR headset while using open track it actually does work. Lots of extra steps but better than what you are likely doing.

[@sphaera3809]

Ghost trees… 😂

[@tsarrite]

Hope you didn't lose your SC Pilot license flying around those buildings like that. =P

[@Galactic-Bulge]

i use tobii, i stopped using it after 1 month lol

[@deadlybird1229]

I respect your opinion about Head Tracking but I disagree to a point. I CAN'T play SC without head tracking. It adds soo much immersion to me to be able to control the characters head by my own head on 3 dimensions and do face expressions. But this doesn't mean it doesn't has its cons, sometimes it won't be able to track your head and sometimes it will feel dizzy. But I simply cannot play SC without headtracking anymore. I can't wait for VR on SC and what will it be

[@BlackMaze]

/whoosh 😏

[@KhairulFadzlyAKarim]

Until they make VR as light as your glasses I’ll pass 😑

[@salvation7362]

If you're waiting for official VR support in Star Citizen you'll more likely be playing Grand Theft Auto X in your home holodeck.

[@xenotype_au]

Are you really on a 2080Ti? Thats insane if you are!

[@BlackMaze]

Yeah but the performance was terrible 😏

[@moms308]

hot p52 action love the snubs 😍

[@Stratobrick]

I think we got a hint that VR is being worked on in 2023 from the gen12 dev. Am I mistaken?

[@j.d.4697]

This game will make every other game out there look like a joke, very soon. I bet you are looking forward to the time trial race tracks and new freedom in city areas.