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[@flovv4580]

When I was young I was poor. But after decades of hard work, I'm no longer young.

[@mint-bw8uz]

are you still poor tho? no offence

[@flovv4580]

@@mint-bw8uz I'm not rich

[@paperhat_boi]

@@flovv4580 dude, i hope you be doin well man

[@adrianafamilymember6427]

@@flovv4580 you got land?

[@maxpro751]

Hard work doesn’t translate towards more money. The reason why these companies don’t want you to live comfortably is to engrave the idea that going into complex fields IS the only way to get into a comfortable life and it has worked. Parents are telling their children that you need to be a doctor, a lawyer, and etc to make good money and that culture is just not good. If people who are doing labor, are living comfortably then what will drive the younger generation to dive into complex jobs? More money? That ain’t going to work.

[@hannahscholtzz7355]

"no one wants to work anymore" "Dude id work for you if you hired me but you aint hiring anyone"

[@MyMomsADadNow]

Maybe you're the problem.

[@bsconboy]

you right, I don't have 2 years of experience needed for the internship, my bad@@MyMomsADadNow

[@isnotbaldeagle4580]

@@MyMomsADadNowYes i agree, the CEOS are the problem

[@MyMomsADadNow]

@isnotbaldeagle4580 Don't work for a CEO. Don't work for a big corporation that hates you. I'm a small-town independent mechanic at a repair shop with about 5 employees. I work hard, always learning. I make good money, my boss loves me. I'm 24. I have a co-worker that is also 24. He does not take the same pride in his work, shows up late, has "comebacks," always playing on his phone, etc..... He still has a job, (somehow because my boss doesn't want to fire him), but these are the reasons that he still makes starting wage and I've almost DOUBLED my wages and am now Shop Foreman. My point is, you're never gonna get anywhere in life if "it's always somebody else's fault." Take personal accountability and realize that life is hard and work at making yourself better. Then, maybe more people would want to hire you even if they're "not hiring." Just because McDonald's won't hire you for 20 dollars an hour (with no resume, background, or skillset) doesn't mean "nobody's hiring." It just means you're lazy.

[@x-48]

“No one wants to work” “I’ll work” “You need twenty years of experience, the ability to work from 1am to 10pm, the blood of the ancient Goat King, and be available on holidays for this entry level job”

[@abbemartensson3850]

Gen Z saw millennials work hard but get nothing and said 'nah'

[@swordierre9341]

100%

[@benrutgers6329]

Good call - a mellenial

[@intranexine8901]

jup, that's pretty much it

[@sylkstarks6595]

Nah they just lazy

[@intranexine8901]

@@sylkstarks6595 and what's wrong with that, being lazy is better then being a sucker and working your ass off for nothing. I'd rather be lazy then stupid.

[@sleepmeditaterelaxconcentr7037]

Boomers : I won the game Millenials : I lost the game GenZ: I am not playing the game

[@meat.]

boomers were playing animal crossing, zoomers are playing dark souls

[@AnnaBananana93]

Lol this is actually a very zen way of playing the game. Not responding to incentives, just doing your job I.e “quiet quitting”/ not being a ever ready whipping boy for your boss but doing what needs to be done - it’s the way out of this cycle of suffering.

[@aayaan1935]

Gen alpha: let’s play the game skibidi toilet

[@thelifeofmaryd.2494]

Why does everyone forget Gen X? There wasn't just Boomers, then Millennials.🤷🏾‍♀️

[@sleepmeditaterelaxconcentr7037]

@@thelifeofmaryd.2494 ohh yeah...the wanna be boomers, you guys did good as BOOMER fanboys

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

"No one wants to work anymore," is just the new, popular way to say, "We don't want to hire you for an entry level position if you aren't perfect, flawless, and stable with years of experience and a spotless work history."

[@Lemony123]

Also had experience field for 10 years. Even though that field haven't existed in like a year.

[@Fatkitty123ify1]

Not to mention, do the work if two to three people, because we don’t want to pay salaries for the amount of workers we actually need

[@stoner1211]

@@bananabreadloaf with no time off and overtime everyday

[@whm_w8833]

Or in business term, a liability

[@lazarus3100]

I get the years of experience and the spotless work history complaint. But stable? Why would anyone want to hire someone who's unstable?

[@AceStraight]

CEOs be saying “no one has any work ethic” when they are paying $10.50 and hour for 10 hours a day

[@kdjoshi726]

Ikr? Like bro increase the effin' money put yo greed aside

[@woolco]

y'all are making $10.50/hr 😟

[@AceStraight]

@@woolco I mean I'm in Australia where minimum wage is $23.23 AUD (~$15.82 USD) an hour

[@woolco]

@@AceStraight I live in Texas. I make the state minimum wage, $7.25 USD/hr. But it's fine, because good 'ol tipping culture helps out with that :D! (No it doesn't, I need a different job!)

[@rompevuevitos222]

Then they intentionally bankrupt their company before pulling all their stocks. The company, in the meantime, claims bankruptcy and keeps the money. Which btw, is illegal. But since when can the law fight money?

[@Crypt-Kitty]

My mom is the gold standard, did everything right for the american dream. She has been the only one in my entire, pretty large, immediate family to go to collage. She has a masters. We were homeless when I was only 4, she worked so hard to fix that, and eventually got a job at one of the places that had helped us. I saw her go into work with a fever once because she nearly never calls off, shes also almost always early. Id met her co workers and boss and they all had nothing but good things to say about her. Theyd even been to our house before, given christmas cards, etc. They laid her off when I was around 20ish, because she didnt have seniority. All my mom had done, down the drain, because someone else was hired before her. She eventually got it back when the budget increased, but I will never forget how depressed my mom was. I will never have a shred of loyalty to a workplace, because they dont give a shit about me, or my mom, or anyone else.

[@LoLaSn]

They don't, company loyalty is a term made up by CEOs to make you feel bad about not letting yourself be abused like a replaceable tool

[@nanaValente]

I'm sorry for your mama and glad you never trusted companies in the first place

[@amandalawrence5610]

I agree

[@Jkdabomb10A]

Yup. I’m so sorry.

[@TheParadiseParadox]

They don't have loyalty because they have to make decisions according to their bottom line... And so do we

[@shadowdemon2272]

Any CEO who claims "no one wants to work anymore" should be legally required to do their lowest paid employee's job for a month on said employee's salary before they can go back to being a CEO again...

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

Based 👏

[@angelg3642]

Legit....

[@guildwarsnerd123]

Do you think that CEO's first job was being a CEO? lmao.

[@angelg3642]

@@guildwarsnerd123 Most CEO's are there because of daddy. Most CEO's didn't do most of their employers jobs nor are they knowledgeable enough how their job is done.

[@cryptdk2400]

​@@guildwarsnerd123 Ask fifty CEOs to do a basic task, 45+ of them will not be able to do it. Most people in the ruling class are useless losers with an inheritance from daddy who can only delegate and then scream like children to get their way. I know from personal experience.

[@351]

"nobody wants to work anymore" mfs when i send them a job application

[@teeeteee000]

😂😂😂

[@inplane9970]

Fr like I've applied to at least 50 different places and only 5 of them had the grace to give me a chance. Even then, 3 of them are shite and didn't care about working with me. Only to squeeze what value I had to offer with minimal investment. I'm extremely lucky to find a company that is invested in their workers and refines their skillsets regularly. So many of them actually do not care at all.

[@zebruh2794]

Fr, I hate companies 🤦‍♂️

[@FHSlipKnot4Ever]

This exactly. I had a decent job roughly 5 or 6 years ago that I was fired from for taking two PTO days off to move. I was an engineer for them, with no pressing projects or deadlines even remotely close (closest one was three months out). And yes, I got approval for the PTO.

[@rezza8311]

you're like 7 what do you know

[@richardpowell4281]

My Gen Z worker is perfectly happy, hired him on the spot a year ago. He's Happ because I pay him a decent wage, I give him paid time off, I listen to his needs and inputs, I give him a degree of control. That's it... Doesnt take much.

[@bluebird1914]

If only more bosses were you. Most businesses just don't want to accept the fact that where there are pros, there are cons. If you want good workers you have to put in the effort, but most places just don't want to do that and then want to complain about it.

[@Ruffles2012]

You're a good one 👍 I hate business owners who complain about minimum wage being raised but also complain about people not working hard... Like if you can't afford to pay people more than $7/hr, maybe you need to re evaluate your business strategy...

[@celestialcrimson]

Well too bad not all bosses these days are like you, most bosses now just want to take advantage of everything

[@carlosforma5978]

So many bosses have no understanding of people management OR empathy. Glad to see that some, like you, have these essential skills. Motivation, obviously, requires one's needs to be met. These needs involve, but are not limited to, enough material/financial recompense for sustenance, mental stimulation such as challenges or meaningful opportunities for input, meaningful participation in something, like providing essential or valued service, or helping team cohesiveness. But most people don't get ANY of these at work. Most bosses would rather pay minimum or less to get unmotivated, inefficient workers who drive off customers and damage equipment (loss of revenue and increase of operating costs) than raise the salary and train the workers to earn that much (as in, provide enough value to deserve the raised salary), which is simply short-sighted and wasteful.

[@appletree13]

You're amazing. He's probably more productive as well.

[@cajunguy6502]

Millennials were like "It's a trap, lil G, go back!!!" and the few gen Z who didn't listen QUICKLY learned that it was indeed a trap.

[@jewleneb8970]

Accurate... That's why I tell them

[@spiritwolf3824]

pretty much. I learned my hard truth and im 19 someone end me

[@nothingreally8247]

Which part is the trap, the crippling student loans or forever servitude within the rat race, always trying to outrun inflation?

[@loszhor]

Indeed, they dodged a bullet!

[@dud3655]

They learned that in school, or at least the actually smart ones did.

[@xMrjamjam]

They have zero interest in supporting a society that doesnt reciprocate. Who can blame them

[@hanarielgodlike9283]

THIS

[@hungryburger1170]

Boomers will.

[@markbrowning4334]

When has society ever reciprocated? The only thing that has changed is the spoiled, lazy, entitled mindset of the younger generations. Everyone before them understood and accepted that you paid your dues, you worked hard, you worked smart, you did your time, you learned on the job or in school, and you earned your way up to better success. These kids think that they should just fall into a corner office and a high six figure income because they were born. It has forever been that only a small percent of the people are financially rich. A very large percent of the people live in a broad range of comfortable income to low income. And another small percent of people are destitute. It has always been that way. If these kids all think they are owed better, then someone has filled their heads with lies.

[@hungryburger1170]

@@markbrowning4334 Ok boomer.

[@callumdabomb292]

@@markbrowning4334also have you ever heard of the hippie movement?? A lot of the boomers in the sixties and seventies were unemployed lazy and entitled getting high and listening to rock and roll all day. There’s always been lazy people in every generation, ofc there’s lazy ppl in gen z but most of us are hard working and just want to be able to afford a house and kids one day. If you do any research you’ll see that there is a housing shortage in the US and millennials are having less kids because most can’t afford too, gen z is seeing this and losing hope because of the trend continues, we’ll be renting our whole lives

[@sillyshitt]

They "stole" the pot of gold and now they wonder why no one is chasing it. 😅

[@lodagin]

Not only that, but we also realized that it's better to live an ok life with some time to spare weekly (or even daily) rather than fucking our whole life in the name of money to then maybe enjoy some of it when we are 70

[@kkrup5395]

you don't need that pot. walking by the rainbow is the actual prize

[@hisayaren8324]

​@@kkrup5395very lame "It was the friends we made all along" cliche

[@MaroMaraMaras]

​@@kkrup5395yeah we need "the pot" to have a decent living

[@trashman1605]

​@@kkrup5395can't pay for food with rainbows

[@sorrenblitz805]

Objective: Survive

[@ddmagnetman]

I miss noble team

[@Yhorm]

@@ddmagnetman We may not have been missing them if Microsofts greed didnt force bungie off the halo project, games arent made with passion anymore like with reach, theres so few publishers who actually give a shit about the games they pump out anymore making devs less inspired to get into the game field. such a sad reality, ignorance is truly bliss.

[@ddmagnetman]

@@Yhorm yeah. So many franchises are the same game with different graphics. I may be in the minority here but if a game doesn't have a good story it's just not as fun to me.

[@samuel_iv]

we need a common goal, i say everyone aim and contribute towards conquering the galaxy

[@sorrenblitz805]

@@samuel_iv no. The Galaxy doesn't deserve anything that bad happening to it. We already screwed up our own planet.

[@Viper3220]

Saw my parents work hard their whole life scraping by all the way to retirement with a broken body only to find out their pensions were stolen from them so they had to rely on social security which doesn't pay enough for most to even get all their medicine for their body they ravaged in service of the place they worked for. Why the fuck would I EVER follow that same path? It breaks my heart to see them end up like that.

[@inplane9970]

The only solution is to work for yourself and on your own terms. Save up your own money and invest in multiple streams of income. Relying on government pension or privatized retirement savings is volatile because they have every right to pull the rug if they simply don't like your haircut. It's an awful reality that doesn't hit us and absolutely no one will warn you about until it's way too late.

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

Pensions stolen?

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

@@inplane9970compound interest and residual income Also remote work brings most life satisfaction unless u enjoy hands on building something etc

[@seezy4]

This should motivate you to get yourself out of it

[@gifi4]

Survival. Many have to work to have food and a roof over their head.

[@wxl2562]

"Nobody wants to work" is typically said by employers while they sort through resumés during a staff shortage; not calling any of the applicants back because they "don't have enough experience" to be employed.

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

Because how dare a college kid want a job at Wendy’s without 4 years experience

[@logeyperogi1805]

Ah yes, the old “You must have 30 years experience by the age of 22”

[@dess5362]

And this is where I'm currently stuck 💀💢 I see & apply so many job applications online, go into so many agencies and I literally walk around the streets, entering shops and asking if they need workers. At this point, I just wanna drop everything and go live in the forest or something. 89% of job ads are literally scams, agencies are starting to demand that you; an 18 year old or something like that, to already have a driving license and a car for you to drive around for wherever they'll ship you to work and to have 6 months to 3 years experience and no matter which shop/ business you go to they never have positions available I'm done with this BS

[@averageinternetuser286]

"nobody wants to work" because nobody wants to pay.

[@Frommerman]

Nobody wants to work because what are we working for? A system actively burning the biosphere we live in to the ground, that's what. One which extracts every red cent of value it can from our hides and gives it all to the literal worst people alive. What's there to work for?

[@YourPalKindred]

for real. i see companies advertising positions that need 5 years minimum experience and the pay is only $25 per hour (for perspective min wage in my country is $23)

[@GundamReviver]

Bingo, everyone who shouts nobody wants to work is just not paying enough, it's an automatic "well good luck with thst attitude, moron" sort of thing at those employers

[@wish-56]

​@@YourPalKindredhow the hack minimum wage is 23dollar per hour that is not a minimum wage at this point

[@YourPalKindred]

@@wish-56 Thats minimum wage because our dollar is worth about 60 US cents and our economy has taken a nose dive with prices skyrocketing and the dollar getting worse. You cannot live off $23 per hour here. Economies outside the US exist, dude.

[@thedimensionalpotato1534]

We're not living anymore, we're just surviving at this point.

[@TLW369]

Yep!

[@affsteak3530]

And they wonder why tourist towns are dying? Everyone's income is going to rent and food. Disney parks are screwed long-term because their customer base is vanishing.

[@keybyss98]

@@affsteak3530Doesn’t help that the MULTI MILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION can’t seem to stop making excuses for their insane entry prices that push out the middle class while never having an issue with that, say, 30+ years beforehand.

[@twocents7509]

I mean, it’s been that way for most of human history

[@Mythical4227]

Have you seen the statistics recently published? The cost of living crisis is worse than The Great Depression. Absolutely insane!

[@him_That_is_me]

No house No savings No retirement No vacation No family "Why aren't young people happy? Why don't they want to work?!"

[@peachcobbler641]

Correct. Why would I work hard?

[@Phon-YT]

​@@peachcobbler641to be mostly fanatically free

[@MrTheanimekiller]

You don't ever become free from working. You'll end up working forever unless you are smart enough to invest in yourself and your future. Even then you'd have to be lucky enough to not be financially devastated by a random disaster etc

[@o0julek0o]

@@Phon-YTthat’s what it said above the entrance to auschwitz. ‘Work will set you free’.

[@wolfgangmozart888]

​@@o0julek0obut that doesn't mean the phrase is wrong. Hitler could have said "hey, ice cream is so good"... Would that become untrue just because it was Hitler who said it? No. The "work will set you free" was a lie, in THAT CONTEXT, because the n@zis weren't intending on just making them work, but to literally k**l them

[@Benji-ig6xw]

"No one wants to work anymore" Me who applied to over 150 jobs and got rejected lol

[@jasperzanovich2504]

Best part is that a lot of those jobs are still unfilled despite hundred of applications on each job.

[@peterbarkworth951]

It may be that they never wanted anyone for the job in the first place; it might be HR looking busy or they just sell all the information on applicants' CV's despite "taking data protection very seriously".​@@jasperzanovich2504

[@naterksmr]

Once a company learns how thin of a skeleton crew they can get by with, they never go back. I can't tell you how many jobs I used to apply for that were "urgently hiring", that I was more than qualified for, that either I'd never hear from after the first interview, or never have the first interview. Then you turn around and see them still "urgently hiring" the next month. It's something they do so they can claim they're "looking for qualified candidates but can't find any" when the other workers complain their workload is too much. Then, as soon as one of them quits and they actually need someone to fill the skeleton crew, they have dozens of over-qualified cogs to throw into the machine.

[@prasb]

Skill issues.

[@sashas_buttercup]

​@prasb alright big man, what job do you have? What degrees do you have?

[@bobowon5450]

Record low unemployment. Record high corporate profits. Record low wages

[@itsabe90]

Go to trade welders are making good money.

[@bobowon5450]

@@itsabe90 not where i live. still minimum wage, maybe just over if your experienced.

[@eikementira1604]

@@itsabe90welders receive same salary as factory work in the country where I live. Most people get their vision fucked just working 5~10 years plus lung problems… nah, it’s not worth it.

[@RAMBOTNPC]

@@bobowon5450it’s being year since wages had been staggering. But work and money is not everything

[@bobowon5450]

@@RAMBOTNPC being able to afford shelter and food isn't everything but it is one of the biggest things

[@deeem9500]

"Quiet Quitting" is a gaslighting term to blame people for just doing their job. Do we call it "Quiet Firing" when the employer only pays a worker what was agreed on instead of "going the extra mile"?

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

We should

[@Dragosmom.]

That's exactly what we should call it when bosses don't give employees who have been working for years raises.

[@VoidicHerald]

Based.

[@MedievalSolutions]

I mean if you're not getting bonuses while your coworkers are... Maybe it is quiet firing.

[@carolyn888]

So much this.

[@GreatBeanicus]

The pot of gold didn't really exist in the first place. But at least during generation x's lifetime the consolation prize was a house to live in, a car to drive, and the stability to raise a family. The amount of work someone has to put in to get any one of those things today has sky rocketed. It's not worth doing any of this, especially on corporations' terms.

[@Biotear]

They at least could get by with a decent standard of living, not work themselves to their absolute limit just for the bare minimum.

[@inplane9970]

Back then, the consolation prize was a stable and comfortable life. Now, the grand prize is a stable and comfortable life.

[@kurisomething]

@@inplane9970deadass, i dont even want to be rich, i just want a decent life with some spending money every month

[@Insidious-K]

@@kurisomethingexactly my successful life consists of having a home and a family that I can provide necessities and amenities for without committing fraud.

[@GamingGreen21]

Rainbows have no end or beginning. Only middle

[@TylernsuchPvP]

The biggest scam gen Z knows in life is that its not a good deal to spend 60 years of your life just to have 10 years of retirement

[@rodtack8420]

If you are lucky

[@mateaukalua4426]

The retirement is actually not guaranteed for 80% of folks. Also Gen X went through more than any other generation I feel. They are a$$holes but I can understand why.

[@imab0t274]

Even retirement is out of the picture for a lot of people now, my parents probably won’t ever get to retire.

[@Phoenixguy357]

The pot of gold doesnt exist anymore and we know that. Why work hard for breadcrumbs

[@jameswilkerson4412]

Couldn’t be because real estate prices have increased FAR beyond median wage, huh?

[@-lord1754]

​@@jameswilkerson4412System hates the middle class

[@Phoenixguy357]

@@jameswilkerson4412 its everything. Look, in the 1950's the milk man could afford a 3 bedroom house with a lawn and backyard, a full sized car, groceries, utilities, and afford to have multiple kids all while the mom didnt work. THATS how far we've fallen. Our purchasing power is unimaginably low compared to our grandparents. If we had the same purchasing power as they did our median income by the age of 25 would be $120k/year. Think about that. If you want to know where to point the blame - Capitalism. Our economic system puts the short term profit of 1% of the population above LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE. Companies buy the politicians, form pacts with competing companies to gain more collective power and spend hundreds of millions on propaganda over the past few decades to brainwash the public to side with them for nothing in return. We can change this. We can have the society they did. We need people who have the courage and determination to raise the public awareness in order to bring the people together to demand change from those in power. We cant vote real change. We dont live in a democracy. We live in a plutocracy. Real change happens in the streets and in our communities.

[@neptoon5427]

I don’t work for a pot of gold, nor for breadcrumbs. Just for the work itself, just for the expression, just to pour every aspect of my being into whatever art I pursue.

[@Phoenixguy357]

@@neptoon5427 then youre one of the luckey few who have a meaningful career. Congrats

[@mayleelove4332]

Millennials worked twice as hard to have what their parents had and got nothing. We see how the game is played and we've chosen not to put our piece down.

[@MegaManJake]

I'm a millennial. I got NOTHING. I'm trying my damn best, and I'm STILL unable to afford moving out from my folks' place.

[@andiwillbloominwinter2020]

​@MegaManJake Yup. Thats the new normal. The economy went to shit. Now all the kids are seeing y'all and going "nah"

[@dreammaker9642]

@@andiwillbloominwinter2020as far as we are concerned we don’t expect to have clean breathable air by the time we hit 40 or 50 so forget retirement. We got nothing to lose so unless you have something for us to gain in the short time we have then it’s bye bye

[@brianfitch5469]

​@@dreammaker9642The air will be fine stop watching greta thunberg.

[@hx5525]

@@brianfitch5469No one thinks Greta is some foremost authority of anything. But the air is screwed. By the time I reach old age, I expect water rationing. The air will probably be much worse than it is now but still breathable.

[@gnes04]

Finally someone's standing up for us instead of just calling us dumb and stupid

[@michaelbaker2718]

It's because millennials have heard this same crap for far longer and know who the real problem is and it's rarely the young worker...

[@jaredburner7996]

The fact that so many gen zers would be labelled as nihilistic is only a testament to your generation's intelligence. Nihilism is the epitome of a logical existential conclusion. Coming from an intellectually gifted millennial.

[@theoisaway]

i was thinking the same thing. like we dont have a future and people are simultaneously ragging on us for being a product of the world they put us in :/

[@JazzoBeat]

​@@theoisawayfor real, future impacting decisions are already stressful enough. Imagine seeing all the news on media and thinking "Oh so what benefits of my future would there be if WW3 becomes a reality"

[@0boro]

It was a lot easier to trick the masses in the past. Now we have access to so much information we have the most powerful weapon, knowledge. We look up at the CEOs in their towers and instead of trudging along we now ask "Why? Why do you have so much when we barely have anything?" And this terrifies them more than anything. CEOs don't like people who ask questions.

[@levitheguy6086]

“Nobody wants to work anymore!” “Hey I’m looking for a job are you guys hiring?” “What the FUCK did you just say to me?”

[@RealRetroWave]

WhAt YoU DoNt WaNt oT WoRk aT MaCdOnAlDs?!?!?!?!

[@alexanderelsen9397]

Young people are working hard from the age they start school to the age they graduate being told it'll all mean something by the end. They come out of the education system after decades of hard work in their mid twenties, no significant other, no children and with massive debt, given below average salary and told they have no future. So far working hard hasn't been all it's cracked up to be... Why would they expect the rest of their life to be any different? If you don't get rewarded for hard work, then why would you work hard? Young people are being conditioned to be the way they are by their environment.

[@mishiak]

And we realise the education system is COMPLETELY dogshit, stresses you out for nothing at a young age, and then if you don't have certain grades you cant get into university, etc but then university isnt even worth it because the cost is so high 😒🤨🤨

[@niigu]

Preach

[@whm_w8833]

Looking back, education is not hard work. Unless you took AP/IB courses, your bachelors was in STEM or you in graduate school, it wasn’t hard.

[@inplane9970]

@@whm_w8833 It definitely is hard for people with different learning capacities. Personally, I suck at math and cannot calculate a formula for my life. However, biomechanics and sports science come naturally to me, along with some simple calculations that I can solve with a calculator. Guess which one grade school forced me to do and made me hate every second of it? Point being, education is very much hard work because it takes hard work to do something you don't care about and still pass a standardized test. We effectively waste our most malleable years to absorb information, forcing every child to learn things they probably won't need not care about. They need actual proper guidance by allowing them to fully focus on something they're passionate about.

[@theppotato1667]

@@whm_w8833 Most students attempt to be in AP now, and with Gifted and Talented coming in at as low as 7-8 years old, it puts expectations on you earlier than ever. Schooling isn't easy, because we haven't been taught that it being easy can be okay.

[@luxinvictus9018]

The funniest meme I ever say was from some out of touch corpo. It was a picture of a guy screaming and straining against a chair he's tied to, and it's like "Gen Z when you offer then a stable 9-5 job, 401k and a personal parking spot" And the comments were all like "gen z is entitled" I was stunned beyond belief. The BEST job I've ever had was 9-6, but you had to stay till 7 anyway, with 1.5 hours of commute on public transport, and a salary that just barely broke minimum wage. This was despite me being the most qualified candidate. I was so qualified they hired me with a bachelor's degree even though most people at the job had an MBA. But this was the starting package. I remember sitting at my desk and realizing the older guy sitting ON THE SAME DESK next to me was a senior manager, probably in his 40s or 50s, and had been working for the company for a decade. He was literally having a heated argument with the boss to take his vacation days before they expired, saying "but I haven't had a break in 2 years" but the boss was saying they needed him. I thought "damn, that's what I have to look forward to?" Plus our parents, Gen x, never got a good deal from the corporate sector and so many remained consultants and contractors their whole life. If anything, we were raised by people who earnestly encouraged us to forge our own paths. The corporate sector is run by Boomers and staffed by unhappy millenials.

[@morgancarvalho4408]

Perfectly explained.

[@inplane9970]

I remember that exact meme you're talking about and it got grilled to high hells on IG. Bunch of comments coming from every generation describing how there are no "comfy corporate jobs" that provide any stability, let alone benefits. Like you know these corps are desperate when they gotta pull a, "How do you do fellow kids" and post a meme about their propaganda. It's flat-out evil, trying to invalidate the legitimate experiences of the middle and lower class.

[@bobfg3130]

He should have told management that he is taking those days off and left.

[@gliver2549]

OP how is this the best job?

[@BroncoJoeAK]

This is more true than it has a right to be.

[@ryutoki]

Gen Z isn’t “quiet quitting.” They’re actually working at a perfectly normal and reasonable pace. CEOs just have unrealistic expectations about how fast and how intensely a human being should be working.

[@jaybee4288]

There’s literally hundreds of comments from Gen Z’ers saying that’s exactly what they’re doing. The employee doesn’t decide the pace or responsibilities of the job. If they don’t like the job, they shouldn’t take it/stay at it. It’s detrimental to the company and it’s not good for them either.

[@AdamPutnam-ur8td]

When there is no winning move why play the game?

[@BaeBunni]

@@AdamPutnam-ur8td honestly yea. It's a reason why I wanted to become a mechanic rather than going to college. I have friends that still are paying of college, miserable. Yea I came home stinking like muck but made money and wasn't miserable at work besides the occasion karen who "dad's friend knows more about cars than me."

[@gorkyd7912]

The nation was built on 200 years of feverish high work. Every other nation in the world, with several obvious exceptions, works feverishly. So when a generation says "not me" there's a moment of reflection and frustration from the CEOs... but then again there's also 20,000 other people waiting to take that job, so life goes on.

[@jenkathefridge3933]

​@@BaeBunnido you have any advice if your becoming a mechanic?

[@grievix2934]

I’m 22 years old, I sit down and do the math for every single job I apply for, even if I’m making like $23 a hour, that’s only like $44,000 a year BEFORE TAXES!!!! (40 hours a week) Like the thing is, everything is going up in price besides our paychecks. That’s why my generation just doesn’t give a single shit anymore, like what’s the point. Most jobs you only start out at $15-$16 a hour where I am, some places you start out only at like $13 a hour. Ofc I’m still living with my parents, it’s impossible to live in this world unless you’re making $100k a year. It’s ridiculous how no matter what, we’re all screwed at the end of the day. 99% of us won’t be able to retire because 99% of us, can’t afford to retire. It’s gotten to the point where I’m just counting down the days until I die because it will be easier dying than having to live in a world where you wake up scared that you won’t be able to afford bills, a car, a roof over your head, and even food. This country is shoving all the people like myself down into the ground and they don’t care!!!!

[@mateaukalua4426]

I make 38K a year. Bought my own car with cash it's a hoopty and I live in my own apartment. You got to be strong AF to survive in this world. I am 30 thank God I am not any younger.

[@charactermeringue]

I'm a millennial and I agree with gen z on this one. I worked at least 18 hours a day, sometimes on weekends too, for years. For what? The only thing I got was shit mental health and a strained relationship with my partner. I still can't afford to retire comfortably. Meanwhile, the companies I worked for saw record profits year after year. After covid I ended up doing the work of two or three ppl. I'm at a point where I'm asking myself what my life is really worth. I just want to be happy and make others happy. Sacrificing my life isn't worth it. If you're gen z reading this, I don't want you to go through what I did.

[@peachcobbler641]

I said that to my father. What are we going to work for? What I see is that the only reason we are living is because we don’t want to die and aren’t sure of what happens after death. Damn near hanging by a thread

[@matrxzeno4761]

My brother in christ it took you 18 yrs of slavery to figure out that it was pointless?

[@charactermeringue]

@@matrxzeno4761 it's kinda different when you have a family to support 😉. Gotta do what you gotta do you know?

[@matrxzeno4761]

@@charactermeringue I mean I guess if you have a family there's nothing you can do about it. But my condolences nonetheless.

[@tranngockha6562]

Thank you for the advice.

[@esteemedyams]

I'm 33 years old and I wholeheartedly support zoomers not wanting to work under the current circumstances. What I don't get is why other people my age and older don't understand this. We're pointing and laughing at gen z for not wanting to enter the 9 to 5 grind, but at the same time we're also bitching about how unfair and exhausting the grind is. One of the major factors why working conditions, average wages and hours improved over the centuries is that the workers weren't satisfied, they stood up for themselves, and made their employers change things for the better. If zoomers can coerce employers into raising wages, benefits and shortening working hours, then why wouldn't I support them? Let's start by implementing a 4 day workweek.

[@vikki8699]

I am with you on that. Us millennials worked thrice as hard as our parents and still are only getting crumbs. I love how GenZ are calling is what it is, bullshit. Pay minimum wage, get minimum effort is their attitude and it took me years to adapt to this thinking. Too many companies today want you giving 200% effort on the job every day for their 0.1% effort. No thanks. Remote working in the pandemic proves productivity was higher then going to the office yet companies still demanded people return to the office after the pandemic ended. 😂 I am glad the Zoomers are doing this. I hope we all can work together to change this rediculous working situation ❤

[@3katfox]

Right? How often do I hear "Millenials are so selfish they won't even have babies!" "There a population crisis cuz these spoiled kids won't have babies!" And no one wants to talk about WHY. I'm 33 my husband is 34 our window for having children is closing and I desperately want to have a family, i love kids but we can't even afford to take care of ourselves, let alone give a child a decent life And I'm not saying take them on vacation every year, I'm saying a roof, clothes and food, I won't have a child that I can't take care of and all these boomers call it selfish?? It's so infuriating

[@emilylefebvre646]

We're already seeing this, in my local area most places went from paying 10 - 11 bucks an hour on a good day, and now you fast forward just a couple of years through this and most places around me pay at least $13, hell I just found a job as a damn cashier making $14.75 an hour!

[@fcff28]

​@@emilylefebvre646But the thing is that these wage raises over the years aren't even valuable today because of inflation. Your buying power is still low because wages aren't being raised fast/high enough to accomodate this. So it seems more but it truly isn't unless the prices go back down again which I doubt will ever happen.

[@jdp3578]

Wouldn't matter. 4 day work week would just result in even longer work days, scheduling arguments, insurances would alter things to screw you over more. Increased wages of any kind only result in prices for everything going up. Yeah we make multitudes more than people 50 years ago, and yet we're still just as poor.......

[@muscleman125]

Whenever someone complains about "kids these days", just remind them who's to blame: their generation.

[@sakurasfish2115]

Both the ones to complain about the new generation or the ones who blame the previous are both right and wrong. Society and generations overlap and are at different stages depending on the person, the place and the issue

[@jacobc9221]

​@@sakurasfish2115What part is our fault?

[@candyheartsart]

Blame is counter productive. Sure, my Mum caused my trauma, but being mad at her my whole life stops my healing progress, stunts my growth and besides, to quote Ghandi: "being angry with someone is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die." In layman's terms, you're only hurting yourself when you blame and resent.

[@LDillon]

​@@candyheartsartAgreed! Just a heads up for future use, the phrase you're looking for is 'layman's terms'. A layman, or layperson, refers to someone without specialised knowledge in a field/topic.

[@jaws2210]

​@@jacobc9221we were born.

[@moondroparcana]

To finish the vid: "The prize is over there!" And then the prize got taken away. And we got told "you should want to work hard anyways, you shouldn't be motivated by the prize. Look how hard I worked and it got me nothing (gen x and millennials)." Gen Z grew up with the message - "it doesn't get better. Life is awful, and the system wants you to suffer." And every day we see that to be the truth. Why would we aim to kiss the ass of managers when we know getting more work doesn't mean more pay or benefits? Or respect? Or insurance? We work hard anyways and our "prize" is being able to miss one bill payment a month instead of three. Gen Z, 26, employers ask me where I see myself in 5 years and my honest to god answer is always- "hopefully in a nice-ish apartment and not having to work 2 jobs to live. You know, having some leftover income to start my retirement or savings. Or maybe being well off enough that I can go to the doctor." Oh well that's depressing Yeah Isn't it? My goal is to maybe have enough money to START savings. Bc I lost it all when I got laid off 2 years ago. Gen Z is tired, angry, and we have no rose tinted glasses.

[@kssb9050]

do you know whcih video this is! this would help a lot!

[@omnipotentfaces1514]

My mum is an art teacher, which arguably should be fun and pay well. But watching her work to the bone under constant pressure, stress and be consistently de-valued with no end reward in sight has just killed me.

[@jameswilkerson4412]

What level? High school?

[@PicassosCat]

​@@jameswilkerson4412 probably, high schools and below are known to devalue and abuse their teachers workers in anyway they could

[@yeng1855]

Yeah, grading homework, making assignments, notes, and projects for many different classes sounds stressful. To the point of burning out.

[@shaunsensei6948]

That job is certainly not something respectable don't know why you think it was gonna be some amazing life

[@akashpramanik919]

​@@shaunsensei6948thank you for your input, but next time please keep it to yourself. 🙏

[@Myrzghe]

That "later I'll be happy" thing hit me like a ton of bricks after I got an education, a house and a good job. I felt like homer Simpson sitting there waiting for the good times to begin

[@xenmaifirebringer552]

What, do people even get houses? 😅

[@skree272]

I just have the good times now while im still young, my family never had the idea of "you can be happy when you retire"

[@Ana-385]

That "I'll be happy later" attitude is completely wrong. In my country, a person works on average for $5 an hour. We try to be happy every day despite financial problems. During the working week, we hang out with friends, go on short trips, visit family. Becoming a nihilist and looking for an excuse for it does not solve the problem. Changing priorities from chasing material things to enjoying the little things in the present is the solution. If you work hard, at least you don't worry about basic existence. If you stay in the wrong choice, you will have that problem soon... And yes, if you really work hard (according to realistic criteria), you will be able to offer your work to the employer who will pay more.

[@nothingreally8247]

​​@@xenmaifirebringer552If you are unscrupulous, competitive, and are willing to lie like a MF then yes it is possible to reach that point. You really do need to be straight up insufferable to climb the ladder enough to buy, or just be automatically good at your job with no training. Edit: not to mention the fact that house list prices are never the real price because someone with more buying power than you or who already owns a home has unlimited bidding potential, most end up paying $20k above listing

[@MyMomsADadNow]

​@@Ana-385Couldn't have put it better, myself. Thank you.

[@HappyFaceSticker]

Gen Z at a young age realized that the old lesson "Listen to your elders." is kinda BS, because they have video of their elders being idiots.

[@Daniel_WR_Hart]

Also the world changed a lot, so a lot of their life wisdom wouldn't necessarily be relevant today

[@MegaManJake]

We millennials didn't realize this until we were in the thick of it. You guys are lucky.

[@revolutioninc7081]

It’s because elders grew up in a different world and are applying outdated logic to new problems, many fail to grasp the simple damages wrought by big tech, nonetheless the social collapse, housing collapse, wage collapse etc etc.

[@Nevyn515]

Old people told young people that age brings wisdom, hoping the young people don’t realise dumb people and assholes can get old too.

[@revolutioninc7081]

@@Nevyn515 so true

[@spidalack]

As a genX, yea, we got completly screwed. Wages have not kept up with inflation for basically our entire lifetime, so we got to see the decline. From "I can afford a house with just above minimum wage" to "I can't even eat working 2 full time minimum wage jobs" And gen Z as it even worst than we do.

[@argonianale5716]

For me it is seeing MANY examples growing up (Father, Uncle, Friends, etc) yielding diminishing returns from their immense amount of slaving effort. Why should I sell my soul the same way they have (which they expect of me) and potentially get a very similar lackluster result? Focusing on my physical health and doing things outdoors has been much more enjoyable than the "grind". Seeing and feeling the growth of my body has been the most gratifying thing I've ever felt as compared to success in school and financial wealth 🗿

[@argonianale5716]

@@lucasdize Exactly! And I am very much grateful for those that provided for me. I understand the need to become independant and to be able to provide for a family (if I choose to build one) eventually. But I am LUCKY enough to be inheriting a house and lots of land which isn't taxed (native land in rural Alaska). And so there isn't a need for me to obsessively work all of my young years away to... buy a house? Retire? Again no need. Hence why it is infuriating and off putting when others, including strangers, impose that I "need" to contribute to society and whatever reasonings they use to guilt trip me into doing what they have to do. Am I inconviencing or killing myself and others? No. Nor am I defuting the inevitability of work, am still doing that, just not to the extent that others say that I have to do.

[@cubic_regent]

*the good ending*

[@cam7537]

Exactly I’m a millennial and was taught hard work ethic and going above and beyond at work etc… that got me nowhere but burnt out with no recognition and when I started to set boundaries all of a sudden it was a “problem!!” It is healthy and necessary to not let others use and abuse you at work because it will not help in the long run. It negatively affected my mental health and that’s when I realized it wasn’t worth it.

[@why.do.I.even.try.]

​@@cubic_regentyeah I was surprised too 😂

[@Anonymous-zk7yk]

​@@argonianale5716 I feel like it comes from the suffering others have endured and a desire to not be alone or live the life they lived. They see that the younger generations have observed the lives of the older generations and have quit the game because it's become twisted, but the older generations are too far down the road of that twisted game to give up now. If they were to quit the game as the younger generations have they would lose the little scraps they have managed to acquire. Misery loves company, so they want the younger generations to suffer as they have because it's "fair" or somehow justifies their starting of the game. The sad thing is that when they started the game was fair for the most part, but it became twisted because they played it (not that they made it twisted, but the older generations who control the rules changed the rules while they were playing, which made it twisted). Granted, all of this is probably subconscious thought.

[@TVMAN1997]

Gen z going “we won’t be able to retire until we are 79? Yeah I am not working hard” That is me lmao 😂

[@ruto6801]

Bro fr when I saw that I was like what? You want me to work for that long man but I got no choice since my parents are forcing me to go uni

[@TVMAN1997]

@@ruto6801 While you are in school or even a job, and get a hobby. Writing, Dnd, art etc. Cause the only retire we are getting is through that.

[@lulu_TheWitchBoy]

@@ruto6801I suggest doing stuff at your school, I’m really anxious to start college, but really want meet people and stuff.

[@EcstaticTeaTime]

Millennial here: I was literally told in elementary school that we wouldn't be able to retire until we were 72 because the economy wouldn't be able to support us leaving any sooner. It would create a job deficit, which we don't have right now because Boomers are realizing how crap SSI is (originally it was 16:1 and now it's 1.5:1 in terms of contributer:benefiter) and either return to the work force or remain in their position. At the very least, this perspective has allowed me to enjoy more of life when I was in my 20s and into my 30s now instead of thinking I will be able to get out of the house and play around when I retire...if I can. Boomers were fed the lie that they would have plenty of time to enjoy their golden years. Gen X was the first to be fed the lie they could be anything they wanted. Milennials were lied to about a college degree equalling a job. Gen Z, thanks to the internet, knows all those lies and there's no room for them in the world right now.

[@haselstrauch1688]

I got that mentality through seeing what my father went through at work. Working up to 48 hour shifts, being tired and unhappy all the time, having no time for his children nor wife, nor himself, only to spent all his money on the sicknesses he got through it. For me, my family and health is and always will be more important than my job, or money.

[@willyharris4199]

48 hour shifts? Surely not

[@haselstrauch1688]

@@willyharris4199 it was possible in german hospitels to (have to) work that long as a doctor, before they then changed the law and reduced it to 24hours (26 with doctors consent).

[@lazerduckzilla]

spot on. i literally just made a post about this this morning. we’re all fed up and have no hope for the future

[@commonviewer2488]

The second marshmallow was promised after 10 minutes, and it's been an hour

[@thesleepyduck8368]

Omg yes, it’s so true 😭

[@RubenSilva-tk4yb]

Very potent explanation. Wish I could upvote it twice.

[@maxonator3913]

lmao I just watched a video that talked about that experiment today (I hadn't heard about it since like 7 years ago)

[@d3rp-a-l0t77]

Explain please?

[@commonviewer2488]

@@d3rp-a-l0t77 A classic test about patience and reward. A child is given a marshmallow, and told that if they can wait ten minutes without eating it, they'll be rewarded two. It really doesn't feel like it applies to real life anymore.

[@spaghettimkay5795]

It's so bizarre to me now that I'm in a company that actually values its employees and - get this - actually compensates them fairly and competitively to retain their workers... It gives me this slight imposter syndrome, like I've been conditioned to think that I don't deserve it. That's the result of this work culture that has been created. I have the niggling feeling that I don't deserve to be paid enough to live...

[@DoIoannToKnow]

hold up. freeze. rewind.... niggling?

[@gifi4]

funii. Grow up.@@DoIoannToKnow

[@the_mad_fool]

​@@DoIoannToKnow Niggling is a real word. It means that something is present and subtly insistent, like an itch.

[@Elliyan4]

where you work at let us know

[@LutherannoG]

Heh, niggling

[@CCJJ160Channels]

Gen Z isn’t nihilistic, they’re realistic. They know their worth & want to be properly compensated for it.

[@gavinziozios1431]

The two go hand-in-hand in most cases

[@ericschuh9394]

Or gen z is clearly the most entitled generation to exist and thinks any work is too hard

[@Vikingr4Jesus5919]

They should be compensated yes but they don't know their worth, or they'd show for it.

[@ericschuh9394]

@@Vikingr4Jesus5919 you can't have value without proof. Just like respect isn't given, it's earned

[@pokemaster7200]

​@ericschuh9394 but they've seen that hard work doesn't lead to benefits it just leads to more work. There isn't any benefit to them working hard in most cases

[@x360mason]

All I can say is this. I'm 25 y/o and I worked for many companies (about 6 now) and no one treat me like a person. When I die, they will have a replacement in 1-2 weeks and forget about me. We are all just a number for this cooperations and then they ask why no one wants to work

[@kpenn100]

yup the story is work hard and retire well, the catch being, ill be dead before i reach retirement age well shit.

[@sleeepylittlesheeepy2474]

Or retirement age slowly goes higher and higher. Until you'll have to work while you are dead. Just so you are allowed to be dead.

[@Deadflower019]

The story is work hard and retire well but the previous generations realized they aren't going to be here when everything goes to shit so they just do as they please, even if it means we never get to retire.

[@daMillenialTrucker]

We must redefine what the American dream is. I'm a 31 millennial, I was a nihilist and then I discovered "optimistic nihilism". I'm a truck driver, a local one, I have 0 plans on ever buying house INSTEAD im going to buy an f350 dually and 43ft travel camper and live life on my terms. In case you wanna know, no living like that isn't cheaper, it's about the same, some months more and some months less but I don't want a house and be locked in on for 30 years. No thanks

[@marvin2678]

And yet you Vote left Wing hahah

[@marvin2678]

​@@daMillenialTruckerinteresting but still No solution

[@stephen7587]

Watching my own parents work so hard to live in a home they rent and dont own and then ask me "Why don't I rack up half a mil in debt like we did" Is a very surreal thing.

[@kempolar9768]

Honestly though, my parents try to give me advice on a ton of stuff and I really try to be appreciative of it and take what I can from it. But I also look at their own lives and think "I can see you kind of hate your life right now, I don't want to be like you. So I'm going to do anything different as at least that way I know I won't be you". And goddamn my family tries to give relationship advice and its horrendous. Both my mom and dad have gotten a very messy divorce prior, both of my half sisters the same thing (one with kids involved originally, and the the other having a second divorce due to them cheating now with a kid involved), and I realise that none of them know a damn thing they're trying to talk about.

[@trevortalbot4325]

I know of an older man who rants from time to time about how easy kids have it these days and credited all his success to hard work. He worked his whole life at a blue collar job at a meat processing plant. Low level job with no room to grow. With that job he had 4 kids, bought a house at a young age, and had enough extra income to invest risk free in bonds paying x5-10 what they pay now, and his wife didn't have to work. He retired a millionaire. If he tried that in todays world he would be destitute.

[@ephemeris9432]

lol

[@whm_w8833]

For him, that kind of job is very difficult. It’s hard on the body. But he should faced reality that his wages will not pay anything in this economy

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

Tell him that. Tell him he did the bare minimum and if he was 22 today he’d be living in his parents basement unable to afford his own car while working the SAME JOB 🤷‍♂️. Humble these entitled seniors

[@riannatyson4747]

As a Gen z’er myself, I have seen the conditions placed on my family at their jobs. My Gen X father passed away in 2009 from a sudden heart attack; he was 43 years old. He was under a lot of stress working multiple blue collar jobs and trying to go back to school at the same time. My millennial sister works for the postal service and works long, grueling hours in harsh weather conditions. I never see her anymore. I will never submit to a job that does not respect me and my well-being. We should be striving to keep our workers healthy, but instead a lot of employers are working people to the ground. It cost employers more money to keep rehiring people and training them. There should be room for growth in learning opportunities. Being complacent in a job won’t benefit the company.

[@Demonoicgamer666]

I’m sorry about your dad. Unfortunately because we live in a capitalist heavy society all companies can afford to care about is money or they risk going bankrupt unless they have a reliable strategy for example at the place I work part time staff has 30% discount for any food in the store but most companies are either too money hungry or can’t afford it.

[@michaelcarlton1484]

Gen Z is extremely self-aware and recognize all the flawed systems around them.

[@mochoman312games2]

No they don't they are lazy and you are making excuses for them

[@michaelcarlton1484]

@@mochoman312games2 I'm part of Gen Z. I got high honors and honor roll throughout my entire education and went to four years of college. I've been working my butt off just to pay rent. Kindly silence yourself and go back to school so you can learn proper grammar.

[@LivingAlkalineSolution]

​@@mochoman312games2 I kindly ask you to look at the situation again

[@craftminer49er]

@@mochoman312games2the American empire is slowly collapsing and we realize that. When all of a sudden, cars are only available for the richest people in society, houses are forever out of reach, and wages are forever going to barely break 20$/h. Americans are starving in the streets, far worse than North Korea or the Soviet Union ever was. We need serious change fast

[@Robin_wtwgb]

Late stage capitalism baybeee!! What happens next is anyone's guess, but I'm not going to throw myself into a dumpster fire just because people before me did. None of us asked to be born, and all these people saying GenZ is lazy seem to forget that. Life doesn't put any expectations on you, people do. And what do they know about living life? I look around and I don't see people living, I see people hoping that they will be allowed to live if they just comply. Wacky

[@444traper]

Whealthy CEO that makes 50 million a month: "no one wants to work :c they are lazy" Their payment:"50 cents an hour"

[@subject_changed4690]

As a person born in 2000. No one taught me how reality will set in. I was taught that people lie and that promises people make will likely not be kept. The true reward is the time spent doing things. Working for a future is committing to multiple years of tuning out monotonous work so you can retire at 60. Like wtf? Why do I wanna have fun at 60? Why should I be planning for living life when I'm already near the end?

[@kempolar9768]

Also the number of older people who absolutely hate their life and take it out on anyone in the vicinity. "Your saying that I should plan my life out to end up like that guy? Seriously??"

[@NikeDattani]

@subject_changed4690 Do you want to have kids?

[@Lourdes-A.]

What end are you near? The end of your life? The end of your working days? You can have fun at any age, but that fun comes with a price, it usually is not free.

[@kempolar9768]

@@Lourdes-A. You can have fun at any age, but if you've gone your entire life avoiding having fun because your "saving" that for once your done working. You'll already be stuck in a mindset where you don't need fun anymore, or your unlucky and some injury or just body genetics have made it really difficult to go and have fun.

[@jamgrams3244]

​@@kempolar9768 That and some people don't even get to that age. Tomorrow is not guaranteed. If we do get to 60, we really have to have fun to take our mind off of our mortality. People spend their time working and miss out on living. No one lays on their death bed and says "I wish I spent more time in the office."

[@The_Jerkinator]

As a GenZ My sum up is we saw our parents (GenX mainly) work and work and work and work (u get it) and get nothing from it. Absolutely nothing Not even joy when they got home. They were too overworked and too tired. But we also want a purpose. I also see a LOT of issues with corpos where they will have for hiring signs everywhere 24/7. I remember wondering why and learning that it has become a very popular thing (and this I have experienced) of hiring a bunch of people at once (too many), giving them no hours or too many (with my and my friends we were getting MAYBE 10hrs a week- while one of us was getting 50-60hrs a week) and then they either hope u quite or they fire you (downsizing) before anything "good" kicks in (like a fixed schedule and things like insurance) So thats when I learned to stay away from businesses that ALWAYS have those signs up Ive learned the hard way. Theres also a thing where corpos will just ghost everyone. Ive noticed apartment managers are doing the same thing too. We want money and a place to live, but we are getting ghosted bc we aren't 20 and have 20+ yrs of experience to work a cash register lol

[@badabing3391]

i dont know why your point is so rare, but the people we learned from werent millennials, it was gen x. A lot of phone addictions and social isolation you see today is because gen x was fucked over in the work place, forcing them to work overtime instead of caring for their kids, just to survive.

[@X-Bones]

Government and corporations want to make a world where everyone works long hours for crap wages while not being able to afford housing and basic necessities, while also being in constant debt to banks, universities, and insurance companies, and shockingly people entering the workforce are not enthusiastic about it. It also doesn’t help that you can’t go on social media or watch tv without someone telling you you’re not good enough and that everyone should hate each other.

[@kiedisboughen5318]

Late stage capitalism

[@bacongod5759]

We’re cooked

[@sozo4483]

​@@bacongod5759Even better, we're roasted

[@OmatsogunwaOritsetimeyin]

Honestly, I doubt. With the way technology is moving I don't think corporations would even want human workers because would you rather have an automation that works twice as hard nonstop, can work 24 hours and not complain about wages and salary or a human worker that works 9 - 5, gets paid and complains nonstop. Honestly, you'd go with the automation

[@rodtack8420]

It is almost as if we are ruled by literal evil and viewed as nothing more then a resource to be profited off of. A pyramid scheme. The majority of worker bees at the bottom, and all the resources get funneled to the minority at the top of the pyramid. That is all society is. A legal pyramid scheme.

[@deus8576]

1. Working doesn't pay enough, compared to the insane amount of demands. No matter how hard you work, a minimum wage job, is a minimum wage job. Often times getting promoted while pays more, is worse because of the amount of work you recive sometimes doubles or triples. 2. Many workplaces just use you and throw you away to moment they have an issue with you. They can fire you on the spot, while you have to submit a 2 weeks notice just to be on better terms with the next soulless corporation. Working for them, is just not worth it. 3. A full-time job fucks your daily life over, you don't have time for yourself and are unable to do basically anything if you wanna take a break. Companies do anything to not let you leave and fire you before you can do anything. These are just a couple, but you get the point.

[@inplane9970]

Agreed. I worked for Starbucks for 6 years under 5 different managers, the new manager came in and started micromanaging everything, I couldn't take it and gave in my 3 weeks, and she fired me the next day. I already had my beliefs about these corps, but that cemented everything. To these cretins, respect is a one-way street and I'll never give these kinds of jobs the time of day ever again.

[@dmoore8595]

I got fired from a job in 2020 for going on vacation. A vacation I was already approved for, and even paid for. For seventeen days. Now I didn't take any time off in 2019. A manager started calling my phone six days into my vacation time, while I was grieving my sister who had died from covid around the same time. I'm so tired of employers and their BS. And I'm a Gen-X. It's not just Gen Z.

[@elephantguy0790]

@@inplane9970that’s retaliation and is illegal.

[@inplane9970]

@@elephantguy0790 Yea but being the dumb kid I was, I didn't know the law nor my rights. Now that I know, I'm more diligent for next time!

[@clusternate]

The good old "The old generation, calls the young generation lazy!" We humans do that since the beginning of the writing. We can find writings of Sokrates who complains about the lazy and spoiled youth. This is an ever repeating phenomenon.

[@MissStrawberryGun]

yup. history always has, and will continue to fundamentally repeat itself. thus is human behavior.

[@aRealAndHumanManThing]

yep. smh everyone forgets that most of our efforts are investments in our future. And then gets mad when this future comes and other people benefit from it

[@mattb9664]

Just tell them to enjoy the rest of their life...all 5 years of it.

[@FunKayyy]

​@@MissStrawberryGun you mean it'll continue to rhyme.

[@Furware]

It's atleast true where I work. Most of the young people hired barely do anything while myself and other coworkers pick up the slack

[@JohnQ5]

Worker's rights have been eroded, corporate exploiation is at an all time high, wages are low, costs of necessities continue to rise, and a bachelor's degree doesn't cause you to be seen as capable of working a job higher then the bottom rung of any given organization. That is my personal short list. No corporate management type can justify making 50 times or greater than their lowest paid employee.

[@Firebolthustle76]

Unions made some serious moves not too long ago. Problem is when you have a company like Ford saying that they’ll move all their operations to Mexico.

[@JohnQ5]

@LastRedDoorOnTheRight While I am no fan of protectionist policies, it might be worth instituting a few to ensure that companies that wish to do business with America be required by law to keep some amount of their operations IN America or face exceptionally stiff taxes/fines/etc.

[@aboxthatdrools]

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[@lillianahunter1199]

I have to say, it's harder now too because places like California keep increasing the minimum wage. For people like me whose pay is not very far above minimum, it basically spells a paycut because everything around me is becoming more expensive and my pay cannot go up to keep up with it. Cool healthcare minimum wage of $25, so do I get a $10 bump to match the raise the guy who just picks up trash received especially to cover the increasing costs of renewing my license to work here? NO, I get $1.50?! FANTASTIC!

[@romangleyzer4567]

Funny enough i make waayyy above minimum wage… but my responsibilities have been growing every month. To the point that im doing 6 people’s jobs by myself. For the same amount of pay. I literally dont have a savings, dont know how ill afford rent, and provide for my family without a 2nd full time job. Oh yeah and i make $40/hr

[@cuck8180]

​@@romangleyzer4567This is a money management issue. If you're making $40/hr and can't afford the necessities you're living outside of your means. I don't doubt that your employer mistreats you and other employees by dumping unreasonable workloads on you, but $40/hr is a lot of money regardless of state

[@zmibbles]

​@@romangleyzer4567man, if you have 40$/h with one man team job, at least, you could pay your rent in less than a week. You have enough headroom. Unless, you have outstanding bills or rich man lifestyle

[@romangleyzer4567]

@@zmibbles my rent is literally half my monthly net so idk how i can pay that in a week hahaha

[@Uchigatana-MHFZZ]

After almost a decade of being told how important good grades were, how important it was to study hard and work hard, and how I must get a good income job by my parents... All I can say, I'm tired. Grades never ever were important except 2 years from a total of like 15 years? Working/Studying hard only gave me anxiety and fear of failure. Why would I ever again work hard for someone who doesn't care and only sees me as a tool or a resource, why would I ever continue on being depressed only to fuel people I don't even ever cared about.

[@lluisfargaslopez9603]

Family is key. Pursuing acadèmic or professional "success" is only right for a few who should be encouraged. The rest of us would have to be teached to have clear, focused goals and keep the meaning in each step. We all struggled expecting the golden pot which never arrived.what pisses the most of me is that there are a lot of exceptional people in our generation which have multidisciplinar meaning that they can't apply anywhere, not in academia neither in professional roles. You are like a tiny chain link that have been strenghtened and conformed into a specific shape and size.

[@l33tninja1]

This is why lots of small business would be better for humaity rather than the maga corps we see now. One of many reasons poeple fifty years ago were happier than todays people.

[@zah936]

This is my life story

[@zah936]

​@@lluisfargaslopez9603That's me

[@zah936]

​@@l33tninja1You are basically describing mercantile capitalism going late stage capitalism the former by its internal mechanism giving rise to the latter no matter how many times the latter is broken down

[@nap163020]

As a millenial, I admire Gen Z. They figured out something that took us way way too long..Now we're all burnt out, scrolling through KZbin shorts.

[@2small4mybed_]

im also burnt out scrolling through youtube shorts so :(

[@gtizzle101]

Damn that hit me lol

[@L4ck0Ski11]

As a now adult Gen Z, we saw what was happening to you millennials. We learned it because we saw what life was looking like. I saw my millennial cousins working hard to get by and just making it. I saw my parents paying off college debts into their 50’s despite making what most people would consider quite a lot of money by comparison. I saw my grandparents figuring out how to stretch their finances out. I saw the distrust my great grandparents had as a result from the depression, hiding money in their house rather than in banks. So if every age of people have been through this I shouldn’t anticipate myself being any different. Interesting note: my great grandmother actually was financially stable, and she benefitted from FDR’s economic intervention.

[@pizzazzsnudge7800]

Gen Z had the advantage of watching us millennials Work hard and go into huge education debt and get nothing from it but more struggle. We watched the boomers get everything easily so ofcourse we thought it would be the same for us, it’s what they told us and we observed… why would we know that our generation is the first to have things worse than the previous?

[@BadAssNigga95]

​@@pizzazzsnudge7800bit's a scam wasn't it? Thank god my mother told me this early! In the Netherlands they took away our "money gift" and changed it to student loans. Mother always thought me don't make debts. I quit school and have no student loan debt. On my job I just do what is asked, not above or beyond.

[@lolacroww9769]

I'm a millenial, i worked hard, studied for years, got a job.. then had to get another job on top of my 9-5 job to be able to pay off my studentloans cause i was not fortunate enough to have other financial means to get me through school. I'm 30, broke, live with roommates, no prospect of buying a house somewhere in my 40s maybe? i tried hard and i feel like all the efforts are in vein and whatever i do just doesnt catch up with how fast prices of literally everything skyrocket.. it sucks to live without actual obtainable goals while struggling at the same time.. I know i am not the only one, and i hope that if you are there too, things will get better for you, and really all of us❤

[@TomKujer]

Boss makes a dollar I make a dime, thats why I reach enlightenment on company time

[@klutzkoady4996]

Based

[@bananewane1402]

Boss makes a million and we make a cent, no wonder we all can’t afford to pay rent

[@jonharrison3114]

@@bananewane1402 that rhymed impressive

[@elmateo77]

There's always self-employment if you think you can do better...

[@blackhat958]

​@@elmateo77 its not even about thinking you can run a company better its people wating to be paied an actual livable wage and not have to work until your 90+

[@domesticonion8026]

They told everyone that if you keep on working and dealing with the stress and sadness, eventually, you'll be happy and successful. My parents did it for decades. They're still poor and miserable. My grandparents did it for decades. They're still poor and miserable. I'm not working away my life to pay for my boss' 5th rental property when I can't even pay rent.

[@addie1198]

Ok but how are you going to earn money ?

[@lynx6646]

@@addie1198 Illegal

[@ant.rammstein4346]

@@addie1198 drugs

[@AnnaBananana93]

@@lynx6646lol I’m crying

[@jeanc4109]

@@addie1198work to meet your means as opposed to the idea that you work to afford a more expensive lifestyle that is advertised to make you happy

[@claytonmoore3027]

Literally our future appears as if we have to work our asses off to get maybe 10 years of freedom before being put in a nursing home. Not a fun thought

[@Ven-zg3fj]

This

[@apatheticxmindsetx3549]

What makes you think that? Just focus on getting a degree or trade skill that's in high demand and something you would take interest in.

[@BananaGeekLord]

​@@apatheticxmindsetx3549That's also part of the problem. So many great degrees are now worthless for many people. Not to mention the cost of college has gone up so high and the interest rates for the loans followed along side it that many who do go to college and get a good job will be paying it off until retirement age. Then we talk to people in trades and depending on where you live, you might not even be making as much as you used to. Plus now when you're at the age of retirement your body is likely so beat up you can't do as much. I've seen plenty of older people in trades tell younger people not to do it because they have destroyed their back and their joints.

[@CC22ball]

EXACTLY WHICH IS WHY ITS BETTER TO HAVE FUN NOW

[@wilimliao1666]

Hey, life has always been like that!

[@comfycarpetman]

“The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation; what’s called resignation is confirmed desperation.”

[@mayfort8573]

After working for 3 years, I learned that a job is the most meaningless thing in your life. I was promoted this year received a raise, but it feels no different to me. In school, you're told to work hard and have a good career. Now I have a good career, and all I can look towards is an annual vacation and retirement in 40 years while being tired after work every day.

[@GameHub1-]

go out of your comfort zone, value mental health, try therapy, try a different path in life (9-5 or college isn't the only way!)

[@IcyFlame0]

@@GameHub1- it's not a mental health problem, it's a physical health and being overworked problem. Therapy won't help with that.

[@kalo8524]

I value my job quite a bit and most of the time I look forward to it. Maybe what you need is not a "good" job, but one that is interesting and rewarding to you.

[@Lily-cx1vo]

@@kalo8524But that’s not really the point. We’re taught that ALL we need is a good job and it doesn’t matter if we like it not because the end (making money) justifies the means (being miserable). We are taught as long as we are making money and “contributing to society” happiness and prosperity will magically cone out way. How else can they justify the huge cost of higher education? How else can they deal with the thought that they are locked into a single career for the rest of their lives? How else can they justify the belief that you should only have one, maybe two companies you work for your entire life? It simply doesn’t work that way. The way we were raised to believe adult working life is like, is simply not true anymore. But it’s hard to adjust these expectations.

[@kalo8524]

@@Lily-cx1vo Ya I guess you're right. As long as you were led to believe something, you can't change that perception or make positive changes in your life.

[@IDoThings490]

“Nobody wants to work anymore” aka nobody wants to choose between a low wage labor job working for crumbs, and paying tens of thousands of dollars to a college in the hopes of maybe getting a decent entry level position before your 20s are over

[@thepanda9782]

Where I live minimum wage is about $16/h right now. The living wage for my city has increased from $19/h to $26/h throughout the length of time it took for them to raise it from $14/h to $16/h. The only people getting paid a living wage are people who've gone to school for a bachelor's degree (if theyre lucky), or a trade for equivalent time, or they are upper management. Everyone else has to have 2 people working full time just to maybe afford basic necessities if their landlord and local supermarkets arent absolutely screwing them. The minimum wage was supposed to be related to the cost for 1 full time employee to take care of an entire family of 4....now it doesnt even feed and house a single adult. We cannot afford to be blind otherwise we will die. Its why nobody is having kids, even if they want them. Why most people still live with their parents, even though most would like their own place. Every single basic dream has been ripped away from us. The most we can hope for is to oneday live like peasants in the woods/on a farm. People who want to be in a city are trapped in a perpetual rat-race where they could have the rugged pulled out at any moment. People are being conditioned to be narcissistic and abusive to each other to survive or have better. I don't dream of work. Work is meaningless if I don't reap the rewards of my labor, or worse punished for loyalty, dedication, studiousness, etc. The corporate overlords only studied economics made by rich french men...not human psychology ~ and that will be their downfall.

[@martymcfly88mph35]

Whats your thoughts on inflation right now?

[@alexthewrecker4666]

​@@martymcfly88mph35you probably know better but this isn't just inflation. Prices are going up significantly higher than just inflation. The real estate bubble is ready to burst

[@thanhvinhnguyento7069]

​​​@@martymcfly88mph35 inflation is symptom of a big problem, failure to scale the economy. When you have excess raw resources and skilled, educated labor but fail to utilize them, consumption will eventually outpace production in all fields and you have everyone going after a pool of scraps, trading pieces of paper that mean nothing. We place too much importance to money and forget that production is the single deciding factor for a wealthier and happier (materialistic) society

[@Myder_Dragon]

@@martymcfly88mph35 wages need to rise to cover inflation

[@duumguy6219]

I’m sure that the people in their teens-20’s were the same way during the stock market crash. Same for the Great Depression. We’re in a very similar situation at this moment, we also have access to far more information these days with our wide access to internet with smart phones and pcs, with apps like KZbin and tiktok that show you more of the same things you watch and if you go down the rabbit hole of watching politics, economics, seeing the lies and deception that has been spread on us, not even being 100% sure what to believe in anymore leaves little options for how to act. Nihilism is a coping mechanism, when it’s so damn hard to get to any prize, stop wanting the prize and life becomes extremely easy.

[@jazzyj7834]

We've gone from a society where everyone can make it with enough hard work to the bare minimum being inhuman levels of effort and "getting ahead" takes an actual choice to do the wrong thing in order to skirt the rules so you can get an advantage. And most people will not intentionally do what they know they should not do in order to get ahead, especially when the narrative is still "hard work pays off". No, corruption pays off. Hard work pays the corrupt.

[@zah936]

This

[@splendidsimp]

Absolute fucking BANGER of a final line, I'm definitely going to use that in the future so thank you

[@lonely-zu7qb]

Mucho texto but the final line is true Especially when you live in the Philippines haha

[@dingus6317]

Boomers sold out our manufacturing sector to China

[@SleepySTEIN-103]

Thats my new motto man.... Brilliantly said

[@tuckersabath2099]

Most work has a very loud soundtrack of the higher-ups playing victim while they abuse their underlines.

[@kawong3975]

"They aren't chasing things" See, "chase" implies that there's a goal We can't see the goal

[@couldntfindafreename]

There are no realistically reachable goals, unless your parents are already wealthy (and willing to share).

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

​@@couldntfindafreenameyou could eat the rich. That's a goal

[@apatheticxmindsetx3549]

You gotta find what goal you want to achieve and aim towards it. Get a skill or degree. Invest in something like property. Find easier ways to generate wealth. Working a regular job isn't going to lead to anything special in life.

[@exgrzy452]

@@couldntfindafreenamehow? Go to college and get a good degree that will make you money. Learn a trade and develop it to the point where you can make good money. There are options this generation just wants to not try.

[@PixelTrainer.]

The two guys above me are just missing the point. This, and the whole video, is referring to regular work. If anything, you two are proving our point. Working doesn't work anymore, so we have to resort to different, riskier methods.

[@sarmadhabibkhan3036]

"Nobody wants to work anymore" Cuz you don't give us a goddamn job

[@ontosinabyss5950]

Yeah, I came to this discovery when I was like 8 and now that I think about it, it was the source for a lot of depressing thoughts and lack of motivation. Very often I heard my family say "hurry and get your homework done so you don't have to do it anymore" but then I'd realize that there was more work to do and realize "what's the point of doing anything you don't want to do, if your just gonna have to do more of what you don't want to do". Sure, you'll be happy for a while, but then you have to go through that process again.

[@T13GUY]

When I was around 8 is when I started getting homework. When I was around 9 I stopped doing my homework. When I was 11 I started getting detention for not doing my homework. When I was 11 I stopped bothering to go to detention for not doing my homework. When I was 12 I stopped attending classes because the teachers didn't bother to teach anything, they simply sat with a question on the smartboard and expected us to know how to solve it. When I was 12 I stopped attending school. When I was 13 I started attending an alternative to school so my parent wouldn't get in legal trouble. Now I have no homework, teachers that care for my mental health and actually teach me things, and I don't come home crying every day. Never stop resisting mistreatment. Either way I would probably end up with a minimum wage job, but at least now I have a chance of pursuing a job that I like. Maybe if I'm lucky I'll get one that pays well but the chances are low. I am 15 now.

[@p2jnyoom]

Funny you mention this. In HS, homework was about 10% of my final grade. And I had the realization of "So you want me to come into school, spend an hour doing school work, then get home and do another hour of school work? And all 4 of my classes are going to do that?" And decided that I'll settle for a B. I'll do the things I want, thank you, and I wanted to enjoy myself. This mentality has carried past those years, so like. If it matters so little that whether I do it or not hardly affects outcome, I will always pick the less stressful option. Why struggle and worry and fret for basically the same outcome?

[@Ryan.2]

​@@p2jnyoom For me, I never brought any homework home from highschool. I either did it during study hall, in some other class, or just didn't finish it. Yet I still graduated.

[@pyerack]

Give yourself a dream and chase it. Anything. Really, anything at all and make that your anchor. The only reason I myself keep at it is because I want to one day make a comic book series. Will it make me money? No. Will it give me fame? No. But it will give me fulfillment to know that I put in the work to make something myself that is mine.

[@pyerack]

​@@Ryan.2Same. I recall teachers went through the cycle of grief with me, first being upset, then trying to negotiate and so on until we got to a point where they just knew not to ask me for homework. Never flunked a class because I put all the work into the assignments at school. The only time I had to do homework was in highschool because zeroes were a lot more crippling and even then I did the bare minimum.

[@AlliSinned]

I'm 22, have a genetic condition that makes me predisposed to develop rare cancers, have had cancer twice, and the second time at 18 years old made me have a stroke that I'm still disabled from. I hate the idea of waiting for the day when everything's stable since I know from experience that can be taken from me in an instant. Call me a hedonist but I want to do what makes me and those around me happy in the present, not wait for a promised day where I will be content that will likely never come.

[@josevonhauske]

You are the truest of people here, hope things go well in the future no matter what, and even if they don't, I know you will be able to enjoy your present as you say. big hug pal

[@AlliSinned]

Didn’t even mention my mom and brother having the same condition and both eventually dying from cancer because of it! So that put in perspective the chance that death could be right around the corner. I’m not waiting to get old when I doubt I’ll even live that long!

[@blueberrydragon5160]

I have an autoimmune disorder that gets worse over time. Every episode is part of a downwards spiral for me. No new meds in sight. Many people forget that health (and wealth) is so essential to living normal lives…

[@micosstar]

⁠@@cakenja1993facts, that “future” is light years away; why would i wait for that long to fulfill my life? - mico, a man part of gen z (: age 18 :)

[@zah936]

Great mindset

[@janka4820]

I watched my mom and grandma work themselves till they couldn't no more. One got really sick after working a few months 12 hours a day every day, the other got injured on the job and couldn't do her job of 14 years They both were fired because of this So from personal experience This is what hard work and dedication gets you I'm not gonna miss my child grow up and throw my life away because a soulless corperation will pay me the bare legal minimum to destroy my body and soul

[@LucosDiCampos]

There's also the part where all "entry-level jobs" require a minimum of 2 years of experience in the same field at the same level. Like, we're just supposed to work for free for 2 years+ at another company that's gracious enough to hire us, as we feed on air and be thankful? Yea sorry but fuck that

[@FletcherDoesStuff]

If I’m going to be in the back room crying through my whole ten minute break I at least want to be able to go buy groceries after.

[@thebesttheworst2277]

👏😂

[@swankytable84]

Fuckin' PREACH

[@AndrewVaillant]

If you're crying in the backroom on your breaks, you probably shouldn't be working at all until you figure yourself out. Better for everyone involved.

[@thecloseandsecondjohnmccor6527]

​@@AndrewVaillantokay, so how do I afford to live then?

[@mysterioso2006]

@@AndrewVaillant this guy has never cried before lmfao

[@ik2254]

Because it is evident that the carrot is moving further away than you can chase it. Two years ago i started my first job, and since i live with my parents i save like 85% of my money. Two years pass, and I'm at a farther distance from buying a house, than i was 2 years ago. The inflation is comical. Yet, there are these single digit numbers in all the reports. From my experience, everything essential in life undergone +80% inflation since 2019.

[@jameswilkerson4412]

Core inflation, the usual number reported, doesn’t include volatile food and energy.

[@shurnbrendt7581]

The market is not sustainable right now. Keep saving, educating yourself, and be ready to put your money to use when the next big changes happen. Might not even be another 2008 crash, but nothing stays the same for very long.

[@ik2254]

@@shurnbrendt7581 nah man. Clearly you're from the first world. Because everybody else knows that the shit can get worse infinitely.

[@LobotomyTC]

@@shurnbrendt7581 It took 200 years for Rome to fall. History suggests that nothing ever happens. We are going to die in poverty.

[@marvin2678]

​@@shurnbrendt7581so Not investing in etf but keeping Cash ? Nah

[@AriaTheDisciple]

As a Gen Z'er (cringe saying that), I also work with a lot of other people around my age and a common thing I have noticed is that people (including myself) are happy to work just enough hours a week to get by and have a couple of dollars of disposable income left over if it means they can spend some days of the week off and doing things they enjoy doing. I personally work right now around 20 hours a week and I have two days off excluding weekends, on those days I usually end up reading a lot, learning math or fine tuning another hobby or skill. I am perfectly happy the way my situation is. This I believe may be very specific to my context though, for me I live in Australia and the housing market is horrible and I can only afford to rent, even if I was to work full time and save up the most money I can by being the most austere with my money it still would not be enough and that's including a loan from a bank. However, owning my own home isn't a goal or dream of mine so I am neither upset about that fact nor happy either, it is just neutral. So I can enjoy the fruits of my labor intermediately between point A and B instead of hoping it all works out at the end of the road and I am already decaying.

[@misha_stupidyttookmyname]

Same as a millenial in switzerland. I just enjoy life now. Who knows if i'm still alive by the time i would catch up to the ever rising retirement age.

[@markusklyver6277]

Good for you

[@visualinotion3957]

I can understand your point of view and I think I see where it's coming from. I'm a millennial or whatever (32), and I was told all my youth that if I tried hard enough I would have what my parents had: a house, a stable job and a marriage. I don't have ANY of those things now, what I have is severe anxiety problems and health issues that make my life very difficult (all from trying too hard). I never had a stable job. My generation lived a full economy collapse in 2008, it didn't end the world, but it changed it quite a bit. And your generation has learnt from us: "that paradigma is outdated, we don't know what we are going to face 10 years ahead, look at these poor millennials. " So you decide to enjoy the moment, because that's the only real thing we have. For me, that's a very healthy look on things. Good for you =]

[@AriaTheDisciple]

@@visualinotion3957 Yeah we like to rag on you guys a lot but you had it pretty rough, you're like the middle child in this whole thing. Times have changed and people need to adapt, I don't mean become apathetic but you have to also be content with what is probably not going to happen during your time. Don't get lost in the chaos, take a step back, analyze your conditions and move accordingly. Still fight for change to the conditions though, a fitting quote I like is "A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit".

[@nannuky1128]

wait, am I getting it right? you work part time and you can afford renting something? is that common over there in Australia? cause here in Europe many work two jobs to make ends meet.

[@nicklapallo9090]

And companies wonder why employees flee to greener pastures for higher wages. If you're gonna work me like I'm two people, at least pay me like im two people

[@kaylenvee8150]

It's very simple. Gen Z aren't gullible idiots. They know how much a house or a car or food costs, and they know it's only going to keep rising. If they see their paycheck isn't even enough to buy the bare minimum, what makes you think they'll keep going? You work to live, to have a roof over your head, to enjoy things in life because so many of them have a price tag slapped on them. If you don't give them enough for that, what motivation do they have to work for you? For care? For the workplace?Tough luck because their paycheck lets them know you damn sure don't care about them.

[@jaybee4288]

What’s their plan then? Also while I get your point, your average business owner isn’t responsible for the sky high costs of rent and fuel these days. Today’s employer pays higher wages than ever, and despite what a lot of people want to believe not all of them make record profits. It’s more an issue with the government than it is employers, unless we’re talking about Amazon etc.

[@mysterioso2006]

@@jaybee4288 you do know that the majority of people in this country work for huge megacorps like amazon, walmart, starbucks etc right? in my bumfuck nowhere midwest town, the amazon plant where people are treated like slaves replaced the high paying, life building union jobs we had at the GM plant before. individual employers arent the problem just like individual employees arent. its a systematic issue.

[@nerekan2159]

It's just because we're not blind. Thing is, when we look at them, the people telling us we need to work hard actually seem fairly sad. And it doesn't really feel like actual advice most of the time, it feels more like they want us to go down the same path as they went so they don't have to admit it was a mistake when we end up being happier than they were.

[@S.A.White...]

This

[@Skyhawk18]

On point

[@readyaimfire3454]

Exactly

[@williamwoolf8072]

That makes so much sense

[@cadenz7719]

Funny thing is that this mentality of “These younger generations don’t want to work anymore” is a very common one that repeats itself again and again. Exceptions being countries that are in long term wars and possibly had drafts. My Grandfather was in a weird spot where he was in his mid twenties when Nam broke out. He grew up shucking corn and working at a local restaurant for a dime a day. He told me he and his generation still got shit talked about not having work ethic until Nam broke out and these people who were complaining were WWI vets closed their mouths because now the generation they were complaining about just went through war. My grandpa said all the death threats he got for going to Nam, not even a combatant a corpsman who pulled men out of the water and helped work on them, we’re from people his age and younger. When he got off the boat he said a boy lookin no older than 15 spit at him. Personally I worked on a ranch, I know what it is to work, like really work. Got my part time retail job while I go to college, hell, I’ve somewhat quiet quit at this point cause I’ve worked with them since high school and they’re still dragging their feet on raises. Money is a motivator and when inflation makes your weekly paycheck look more like a forth of rent there’s a problem.

[@peterstankiewicz2474]

I moved back to Europe after living in the USA and I can honestly say that I have a killer work ethic compared to my colleagues here in Vienna Austria. I lived in Connecticut for 20 years working about 15 of those years. My boss was a retired Army Ranger "Airborne Ranger " and he thought me hard work. We build some amazing shit together and when you build a house from nothing it gives you an incredible sense of worth and pride. So what am I saying I'm saying that I worked my ass off and I don't really have anything to show for it because cost of living is so expensive.... Now that I'm here in Europe 4 years I never had to worry about bills or anything but it's the same story it's hard to save money ...

[@Grim_Haunting]

The slow creeping possibility of WWIII, growing civil unrest, and restrictions on freedoms & choices also really don't help. Essentially watching the world fall apart at its seams by the decisions of prople mostly over the age of 60, while also being blamed by the same group of people and young adults that are just now coming of age, with minimal understanding of the world, that we are responsible for the current state of things.

[@livingstonemarmon2704]

not to mention intensifying climate chaos and accelerating eco-catastrophe

[@FunKayyy]

Wouldn't it be grand if our infrastructure maintained most of our health like it used to instead of having to be sold our health.

[@ruchab3046]

This 👏🏻👏🏻

[@marvin2678]

What restructions on choices ?

[@sorrenblitz805]

It's currently 90 seconds to Midnight

[@The_Boys____]

Millenial here, I got tricked into working hard to get promoted and work my way up to a corporate position. Only to get see others promoted because they were more likeable, a pretty girl or related to the higher ups. I was "too good" at what i do to give me a higher position. I left retail and warehouses to embark my journey as a chef. 50-60 hour weeks, no holidays off, missed events, lost time with family and friends for the next 9 years. Thinking I could be the next Gordon Ramsy I applied for a really expensive, high end restaurant just to start off at $14/hour struggling to make ends meet in this economy. All while the restaurant brings in almost $10k a day. Just bought a bunch of equipment and gonna teach myself how to detail cars and work for myself.

[@nonai7897]

No offense but long hours and barely any time off was always a chef thing (and the low pay too). I have a friend who's a chef, he doesn't complain about it but thats the reality of the career. Then the rest numb it out with drugs. I thought about going into the field and I did long research into it and found out all about that so I decided not to. He said its a good thing I didn't but I'm not faring so well now anyway. I thought if I had pursued it I wouldve been poor but happy. At least I think I mightve been.

[@bobfg3130]

Or you could open an online store and catering business and deliver food. You're a cook, a chef.

[@bobfg3130]

​@@nonai7897 Not really. It's a more recent thing.

[@anthony26812]

So you made a bunch of crappy decisions and are trying to blame society for it ok

[@theorangeoof926]

⁠@@anthony26812I mean from what I can interpret, most of these situations are very much out of control of OP.

[@sinny721]

And people have the audacity to ask me about my career goals and what I want to do for work as if it isn't a means to an end. I live to go home and see my pets and play silly little games and work on my artistic hobbies. Work is just a place I go to keep the heat on.

[@zah936]

This

[@karensmith4336]

When the grade school teacher asks the kids, "What do you want to be when you grow up?" I didn't ever think that I would answer, "I want to be in a good assisted living home." What kind of goals do we have to choose from today? The goals I would choose are not realistic for the working class. So why would you want to work? I'm a boomer and agree with the kids. We are being lied to.

[@GamerTime_2002]

No we're so nihilistic because the companys literally try to pay us as little as possible and they're doing a damn good job at it

[@jackcarraway4707]

"If you work hard you will achieve your dream of me living in a mansion." -Capitalist proverb

[@Caragoner]

I... Sadly agree. I believe in hard work... But i just cant fathom why everyone thought it was good to be basically used and abused for 40 years before being thrown away to retire when you're too old to enjoy life... And why trying to avoid this fate is so frowned upon

[@izabelladybacki-xs7vq]

i’m 16 and trying to get my first job BUT NO ONE WILL HIRE ME BECAUSE I HAVE NO WORLD EXPERIENCE. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO GAIN IT. there is gen z that actually want to work. jsut one know will take a chance on us

[@yoongitrash2699]

It's so hard to get a job as a teen I'm so fed up :|

[@izabelladybacki-xs7vq]

@@yoongitrash2699 actually tho. like we’re not all idiots

[@coderamen666]

The pot of gold at the end is actually pyrite laced with anthrax

[@sscspas]

I work retail, and company policy is to give us a raise every year. That sounds great, until you find out that the raises are always below $0.50, and some can be as low as 3-4 cents. And whenever the company-wide hourly pay is raised those individual raises get erased. There are people that have worked there for over 20 years making a buck more than me. There are people who have worked half as hard that got bigger (still tiny) raises. Why in the hell would I give that company anything more than the bare minimum after learning that?

[@hironobu64]

Why would you give ANY company more than the bare minimum, ever? You are paid to do A job. No more. Capital owners want to pay the least amount of money for the most amount of work. Labor wants to do the least work for the most pay. This has been and always will be true. Someone lied to us once and said if we "work hard" we'll get noticed and get a raise. WRONG. If you want me to work HARDER than what you are paying me for, then pay me to work harder.

[@TerribleTom113]

I already work 50+ hours a week, at a non-entry level job, and my wife works 30-40 hours a week at entry level, and we're still just BARELY scraping by. Why the actual eff should I dedicate even more time, effort, and mental/emotional energy to help my boss buy his third house for neglible gains to my own situation? We're quiet quitting because the system is built to exploit us, not to benefit us. We're quiet quitting because we've seen through their lies. If you want me to do more than was stated in my job description, then you will pay me more for that work. We're quiet quitting because we've learned that the expectation to "go above and beyond" is not reciprocal. That it is only expected of us, but only benefits you.

[@tehnosan5769]

I still find it hilarious where doing your job is now considered quiet quitting. Like a buddy of mine got called for a meeting about his quiet quitting, because all he did was his job and refused to follow the go above and beyond cult 😂 it is safe to say he was on the market for a new job real quick 😂

[@zah936]

They should be sued for lying in the job description if they demand more work

[@gifi4]

Why? Because you work FOR them. Work for you, or for some other way that benefits you more. People like you are the problem - The ones who don't have a clue how the world works. OMG my boss makes more money, I get pennies. My boss has his own company, I do not. Do employees deserve better? Yes. But that is not the attitude you display.

[@idk-jw6xl]

​@@gifi4Sorry to break it to you but we're just simply not bootlickers. We're not gonna fake or force enthusiasm to "go the extra mile!" because we ultimately know we're being screwed and exploited. Sure your view point is to have a strong attitude and to keep going and everything eventually will turn out alright. But for us we're just gonna do the bare minimum giving back the middle finger while trying to survive.

[@con_zur]

Suffering with purpose is called adventure. Without the purpose, it's just suffering.