Heartbreakers' L.A.M.F. EXPLAINER: 'Born To Lose' ~ the Found Masters new clear audio!

[@georgesimon2716]

カッチョイイよね♪♪♪ 直訳だけど、 ”負けるために生まれた！！！” って無茶苦茶痺れるタイトル思いつく才能に脱帽♪♪♪ ストレートなパンクサウンドに一発KO！！！ ホント、ジョニサン天才だわぁ～♪♪♪

[@flinchey6962]

It’s a shame none of the guys lived to see the day but the music will always stay, hopefully I can get my hands on the vinyl soon. Thank you jungle

[@sunsun9918]

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[@sardino1]

I saw them live at The Rainbow, London in 1977. As you can imagine they were bloody amazing (can still hear those Nolan drums!). One of the best gigs ever and of course I then shared the disappointment of the 'muddy' release. So this 2021 release is brilliant.

[@sardino1]

@Anderson Cooper Yes, it was generally agreed that it was bad (muddy).

[@sunsun9918]

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[@twistedspanner]

Jungle I'm gonna need this one. Maybe two. The soundtrack to my youth. I've got the original Track 77' version. (To me it always sounded like there was a load of fluff on the needle). I was glad when 'LAMF Revisited' came out in 84'. Got 'The Lost 77' mixes' and now I'm finally gonna get to hear the 'Found 77' mixes. "Like a mother fucker" ☠️

[@junglerecords]

A mastering engineer reckoned it sounded like the original had had both the treble AND bass turned up to maximum. Who knows; anyway there's no fluff on this one!

[@twistedspanner]

@@junglerecords the cheapo record player I had back then only had a treble and bass knob on it. And no matter how much I played around with them I could never get it to sound right. I could never get that clear sound that Never Mind the Bollocks had. Looking forward very much to its release. Nice 1 👍

[@phyllisdstein]

This is really great! Such a shame it wasn't released in 1977. It would definitely changed the fate of The Heartbreakers. Thanks so much Alan. xo P.

[@junglerecords]

Walter often said that if the album had brought them success, their fate would have likely been far shorter lives than they even ended up with!

[@phyllisdstein]

@@junglerecords I respectfully disagree.

[@junglerecords]

@@phyllisdstein We'll never know. Maybe he was referring more to himself!

[@realsinisterminister]

@@junglerecords reading Walters book at the moment great to get his perspective!

[@sunsun9918]

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[@superfuzzymomma]

Bless you Johnny and band!

[@michaelb.9548]

Can’t wait to hear this! 😵‍💫

[@baronsaturday2103]

Why did Secunda hang on to the original master-tapes and wouldn't he give/sell it to Jungle records?

[@junglerecords]

It's a very long and complicated story! He moved on to other things; his Track Records experience left a very bad taste as he didn't get paid. He was meant to get rights to master-tapes in lieu - Hendrix, T Rex, Shakin Stevens etc. Then we came along and claimed the Track Heartbreakers tapes. "Danny wants to break your legs" was an early, half-in jest first response!

[@barryoliver9111]

Two more days I'm dyin' here! A cleaned-up "Baby Talk" or "I Wanna Be Loved" would sound pretty sweet right now!

[@jarrettgardner0628]

Don't hold your breath ... U.S. Shipment had been delayed till July 30th ...

[@michaelvolgare4454]

This is what LAMF sounded like before it got all fucked up. At this time they were the best band around.

[@sunsun9918]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYO5Z6pofcp-b6c

[@tomasagustinveravicentin7789]

Sounds fantastic

[@getwhatyougive]

"Hey, how about some more echo???" [Can't wait for this. Sounds awesome! #RIP #LAMF #DTK ]

[@junglerecords]

More reverb!!!

[@lat5163]

"it was fine at the beginning of the set man" Can't wait to hear the masters . this Born to loose is the best i've heard. the 12" on track sounds good, However this sounds better still. Nice job Jungle. LAMF

[@junglerecords]

@@lat5163 Thank you!

[@gemspa73]

@@junglerecords "Shoulda come to Birmingham. They know how to rock there."

[@kevinbrewis6014]

still have my original Lp from October 1977, great condition, wouldn't change it for the world and glad i seen them live.

[@sunsun9918]

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[@lamper2]

How is this better than: Revisted, Lost 77 mixes, cassette? sounds fine but not STUNNINGLY BETTER.

[@frankirons9337]

It's the original mix released in 1977, but with a better master than was available then.

[@lamper2]

@@frankirons9337 WHAT MASTERING LAB DID THE DAMAGE?

[@josefk5659]

I don’t remember the cymbals being this loud in the 77 mix

[@3leggedgenes]

Since there is no way I will ever hear this straight from the tape to my ears, it would be so amazing to get a Plangent Processes capture released in hi res digital. I'll keep dreaming for now.

[@nanchanger]

The cassette version sounds good to me...

[@junglerecords]

The masters have been transferred to 24/96 hi-res digital (the LP is a DMM cut from that). We'll be providing digital services with them and those that provide hi-res audio will make them available. That'll coincide with the CD, which we're getting ready - likely late Sept or Oct.

[@nanchanger]

@@junglerecords is Secunda still with us? And thank you for releasing great material!

[@3leggedgenes]

@@junglerecords I emailed to annoy you guys about this back when this record was announced not really expecting to hear back just bc I know how it is...thanks so much for this update and for the efforts putting this out! Can't wait to compare the LP to my Italian and French originals in a few weeks!!!!

[@MrGaragerocker]

@@3leggedgenes Dutch original sounds fine.

[@stevenimeson902]

wow never seen those mugshot pics b4! only if walter was still around a few more months 2 hear them, i remeber as kid in 2006 i tried to get a copy ordered thru cdplus and every week or so when id go in and ask had it arrived and theyd also say no or in a couple of weeks ... well that store ended up closing be4 i ever got that cd copy haha

[@richardleeuwenburg9093]

Those aren't real mugshot pictures. It's a picture from Roberta Bayley with all 4 of them in it. But the fingerprint pictures are real.

[@junglerecords]

@@richardleeuwenburg9093 Well we made them mugshots now!

[@richardleeuwenburg9093]

@@junglerecords And that's cool,I just wanted to mention it. And I got every L.A.M.F there is,but I want this one too ofcourse. So I hope it also will be released on cd

[@junglerecords]

@@richardleeuwenburg9093 We're planning the CD release now; likely for October.

[@stevenimeson902]

@@richardleeuwenburg9093 yes i get it was just a photo shoot :)

[@BicycleJoeTomasello]

When were the Heartbreakers ever subtle?

[@deranged_nubreed]

whens it gonna be available for online i wanna buy so i can put on my phone for work sounds great

[@junglerecords]

It'll go online at the same time as the CD is released - which will be approx October hopefully. After this wait, a little more won't hurt!

[@onlyinmiles9195]

I can’t listen to this as Im wanting to hear it through my lp player when it’s released

[@jarrettgardner0628]

European Union most countries have so been delayed. Best bet is to order from independent U.K. Online Seller. As of now no discogs page exists for this particular LAMF pressing...

[@victorblack6995]

Vocals sound GREAT! Drums are way too loud in the mix. That Hi-hat is BLAZING!! I Said HIT IT!

[@jarrettgardner0628]

It is officially Record Store Day Drop 2- July 17th, 2021.... While I sit alone in the dark before the city awakes waiting for Waterloo Records in Austin, Texas to open ... Alan Hauser, any chance you could drop the full album on KZbin this magical morning ?? At least until I can a score a copy of the album @ 7am, rush home, convert vinyl to high quality transfer for 8am upload onto KZbin before almost anyone else scores as copy so early ...so All my compatriots can finally hear genuine master tape after only 44 years ...

[@jarrettgardner0628]

July 30th now ?! Then why the hell am I sitting outside in the dark in a lawn chair outside front door entrance of record store before they open at 7am ...I knew this was too good to be true ... Extremely disappointed Alan ...

[@jarrettgardner0628]

C'mon Alan you've had multiple weeks to get the U.S. Shipment shipped over in light of worldwide Covid-19 delays ..no excuse ...

[@jarrettgardner0628]

Of course had to wait for Walter to pass as last member of Heartbreaskers to finally see their masterpiece given the audio treatment it always deserved. Lee Black Childers and a few street urchins got the ball rolling 44 years ago ...

[@baronsaturday2103]

Hahaha... Were you really sitting in front of the store at 7am? ...Talking about dedication!

[@frankirons9337]

This might be a really pedantic question to ask, but is there any info about which studio and which day each song on the found '77 masters was mixed? The alternate mixes have info like "mixed on March 22nd at Ramport" and stuff like that.

[@junglerecords]

No; the only info on the tape-box is the track-list - as seen at our website, and on this video. I guess you could TRY to work it out by looking at the tape boxes shown in the Definitive booklet. Many had ‘extracted’ written against a mix - when they liked a mix they’d snip out the tape and compile it with others they liked. (So we were left with outtake mixes to choose from.) Then you could check the sound of each particular studio to narrow it down. And dismiss Advision mixes, those were Jerry’s after this tape. (Daniel left Track just after this, and wrongly assumed the ‘mud’ was due to Track using Jerry’s mixes.) So if you’re inclined, you could attempt some detective work, but god knows how far you’d get!

[@frankirons9337]

​@@junglerecords That sounds like a bit much for a personal project, even by my standards! Even so, I appreciate your job clarifying that all up for me.

[@lamper2]

@@junglerecords What mastering studio fucked it up to begin with-were they sued? why not? this question is for any insider.

[@drowningin]

Did you know these guys were in the audience at Woodstock? 😂

[@junglerecords]

Altamont?

[@Severen-z8g]

Hoooo-ooohhhhh!!! 🏴‍☠🏴‍☠🏴‍☠

[@jacktragic6917]

Woulda been nice for Johnny to hear this, and more importantly, PROFIT from it. I never knew a musician ( except maybe me)who got ripped off so often and for so MUCH.

[@jarrettgardner0628]

As I sit and take my morning methadone Methadose dose ...I am heartbroken now ... Not gonna be able to hear this until I can get a copy shipped over ...since no U.S. homeland record store will be carrying this release for RED Drop 2, July 17th, 2021... Extremely disappointed here ...

[@jarrettgardner0628]

RSD release * ie Record Store Day release July 17th, 2021 United States copies delayed until July 30th ...

[@kiraciliberto923]

@@jarrettgardner0628 and as of today, the 29th, record stores around me and in atlanta, austin, etc. seem to have no idea when it'll be here.

[@l.salisbury1253]

Great work with locating the "clean" mix of "LAMF"! Now... even though it's a different genre could you locate the "clean" (ie listenable) mix of Black Sabbath's "Born Again"?

[@junglerecords]

Thanks! Although this one seemed like a lucky accident; good idea! We'll start being tape sleuths, tracking down all the longed-for tapes. Stay tuned!

[@cissi9671]

@@junglerecords I that case, can i wish for an album? Im a Twisted Sister fan, and i read that when they recorded "love is for suckers", every original member of the band played on the album, but producer Beau Hill brought in studio musicians (from the band Winger) to secretly replace the original recordings. Is it possible that the original recordings, with the true members of Twisted Sister, still exist? I would love to hear that! I know its not their most popular album, but i like it! I like all their albums! :) Been a huge fan since the 80:s!

[@cissi9671]

Also, if you could track down the lost Wrathchild album from 1985, the follow-up to "Stakk Attakk" that never was released, it would be great!

[@junglerecords]

@@cissi9671 Yeah! just get Twisted Sister to call us!

[@cissi9671]

@@junglerecords I left a comment to guitarist Jay Jay French. I did not leave a link to Jungle but i can do that too. Anyway, if he is interested, i guess he will google your contact information.

[@jonyscrewzo]

💔💔💔

[@potatofry1237]

I said hit it

[@MrShaunsk]

Wow!! that si the boom!!

[@MrShaunsk]

is

[@tomroutledge8900]

"No Dolby" LOL

[@NDWoj]

Dubly.....lol.

[@mrsjupiter9310]

Danny Secunda............was involved..?

[@mrsjupiter9310]

Sorta....sounds like LAMF Revisited........Trac.... Never heard....Danny Secunda......( Steve Lilly white.......was it.)

[@stephenstarr1152]

When will it be released on CD/Download etc?

[@junglerecords]

We're working on it now. Probably October if things go well.

[@stephenstarr1152]

@@junglerecords It will be wonderful having good clean mixes of this classic!!

[@jarrettgardner0628]

Yo Jungle / Alan Hauser, if your looking for what to add as bonus tracks on the LAMF the found 77 compact disc ...

[@jarrettgardner0628]

How about adding the Johnny Thunders 1982 Wickham studios 3 song demo containing "Sad Vacation", "10 Commandments Of Love" and the lost Thunders song, "Give Me More" aka "Are You Living"...

[@jarrettgardner0628]

The Johnny Thunders Wickham studio demo that was sent to Alan Hauser on a C30 cassette by Anthony Day who played on the recording on bass and a cat named Michael on drums...

[@jacobshred67]

yea i’m sorry but cmon the exec producer just had the master laying in his attic and he didn’t know ? and they found it ? somethings not adding up i feel this was a marketing gimick but i’ll buy it anyway and god i hope im wrong but the whole story seems like a bit of a stretch

[@kuntokadaryono6359]

Sound balance 👍👍

[@davids.816]

Where can I buy this?!?

[@junglerecords]

From Record Store Day stores in whatever country you're in. UK & Holland today, but shipping internationally elsewhere has been a nightmare. Here's an update at our website: www.jungle-records.net/index.php/157-rsd-worldwide-vinyl-stock-supply-update

[@junglerecords]

Check the various country RSD store lists at the links at the bottom of this page: www.jungle-records.net/index.php/156-heartbreakers-l-a-m-f-the-found-77-masters

[@jarrettgardner0628]

You know I'm already on top of this as I know I'll only be lucky to possibly score 1 copy @ the biggest record store in the "Live Music Capital Of the United States"...

[@jarrettgardner0628]

Gonna need multiple back up copies of this LP...still almost cannot believe this is actually real ...praying it surpasses all expectations and the results are truly audio revolutionary

[@recordfetish]

I gotta ask... Will there be a standard black vinyl (re)pressing of this or even a different color variant? Rough Trade

[@recordfetish]

Rough Trade US just cancelled my preorder due to not receiving their full order allotment. That doesn't bode well for you having extra copies on 8/1. Or does it???

[@junglerecords]

@@recordfetish RSD USA underestimated demand when they made their stock order (long before it was announced). We're able to repress one year after the original RSD release, so expect something then. A CD version is being prepared for October.

[@recordfetish]

@@junglerecords Thanks for the reply. I'll be buying the cd when it's released but being an original fan, the vinyl press is essential. Glad to know it'll eventually return.

[@chromeuser6683]

Album poorly packaged by mfg. Inner record envelope so tight, I think removing record caused scratchy noises. Either that, or a really poor pressing. Very sad being brand new record and seems better sounding LAMF but have to turn up high to be appreciated. Any one else bought this would recommend carefully cutting open inner record envelope to get record out and hopefully avoid possible scratching. Very disappointing. I found this album was impossible to get Jul 17 RSD and had to eBay. Fortunately, didn't pay too much but many asking for a lot more. Maybe wait if CD might be better. Poor Johnny and the boys. Still getting schtupped even deceased and us too in the process.

[@junglerecords]

Sorry to hear that. We've had no other complaints about the pressing, however static from the vinyl somehow made it difficult to remove from the inner bag for the first time. A bit weird but that shouldn't cause scratches. CD version is due at the end of October.

[@josefk5659]

If the remaster is what is playing in this video, it sounds even worse than the old one!

[@SIR46661]

Another piss poor job by Jungle ! Why make it impossible to have a decent release where EVERYBODY could buy it ? We still in the same boat as 1977 with restricted releases at expensive prices ! Heartbreakers were the greatest band ever ! But with outfits like Track & Jungle they remained the worlds best kept secret ! With every ripoff rerelease of LAMF , we are at another one !

[@junglerecords]

There will be an UNLIMITED CD release coming soon. By using RSD we sold FAR more vinyl than we would have done by releasing it through Amazon et al (and made $ for music fans rather than Bezos). Many said we'd have a very hard time selling yet another version of LAMF. The LP is exclusive to RSD for one year; they hyped it up well.

[@SIR46661]

@@junglerecords Do u get the 7 inch single too if we order from u ? Ebay people leave them out ?

[@junglerecords]

@@SIR46661 That's only from us. And I think just 1 left!!!

[@junglerecords]

Sold out now; sorry!

[@simonetedaldi5052]

4 junkie💉

[@nanchanger]

Sounds unlikely to me...

[@3leggedgenes]

This is way more common than one would think, at least it was when everything was still tape. There was a great article in Billboard prob 20 years ago about how careless the entire industry was in general with master recordings, usually to the ultimate detriment of the consumers and artists. Some of the anecdotes were pretty shocking.

[@nanchanger]

@@3leggedgenes I understand; however, it's hard to imagine a scenario where a guy puts a Master of LAMF in his "attic" and then the whole world is talking about possibly the most famously defective recording in history and it slips his mind he has the only "good" one... 🤔

[@junglerecords]

@@nanchanger Daniel Secunda left Track Records as the LAMF sessions ended, in a big legal dispute with them. He later had Jimi Hendrix and Marc Bolan releases on his label (having previously worked with Shirley Bassey, Joe Cocker, etc) so had many other things going on. It's a long story - but 'the whole world' wasn't talking about LAMF - not in his world, certainly.

[@nanchanger]

@@junglerecords it just seems to me that you'd have to have been living in a cave to have not heard about all the controversy and criticism surrounding the sound on that record, especially if you're in the business and even moreso as an ex-employee! Hell, when I bought the album in the 80s even the wanker store clerk scoffed at me because of it... The story just sounds suspicious is all, it would appear there's more to it than we're being told, but you guys have a good reputation as far as Mr. Johnny Thunders is concerned and get my respect for that... Despite all my cynicism, I'll be first in line to buy the damn thing! So you better send enough copies to the states for me to own one or you're in trouble! 🤪

[@3leggedgenes]

@@junglerecords It's funny you mentioned that bc I've read that the same thing happened sound-wise with original Track Hendrix releases in the UK vs some other European regional LP versions....

[@robbertvannispen3641]

The sound of the found masters is not fantastic in my opinion. The bass is very on top of it all and the voices are still too soft on most tracks. I prefer the 'revisited' LAMF -- Johnny's 1984 mix on vinyl.