[Hearthstone] How Good Is Mill Druid?

Hearthstone | Analysis & results of an effort to make mill druid work on ladder
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[@sandwichxiii]

could've named the deck Millfurion...

[@Volvary]

That was a grunt one.

[@willemweijs3337]

made my day

[@SiergiejLowca]

There are two modes in constructed play: casual and ranked. Some people choose the former, some people choose the ladder.

[@hoteltrivago.3034]

The Tiny Gamer >:(

[@SiergiejLowca]

Is Millhouse good for Mill deck?

[@Barcasaur]

lorewalker cho in this deck really puts it over the top.

[@brainache555]

*****

[@Barcasaur]

if you use it right, players never no how to react they might just hold spells you can give them naturalize for crap targets bananas going back and forth, it has the potential to clog things up

[@T2DarIantan]

also Goblin Sapper cause it looks weak until you fill their hand up then it's 6 attack

[@KExecute]

T2DarIantan Maybe in Mill Rogue, but Mill Druid has their 3 mana spot filled by grove keeper

[@shiyanth]

***** well you do have 2 trees of life and innervates to get cards out quickly

[@S34G4T3]

the blao blao end at 9:20

[@MDksa123]

thank u

[@kainestolkyn]

I wish you'd upload more of these games on this deck. I could watch you play this for hours. :D

[@TehOak]

I saw this live on your stream the other day - had me in stitches. Funny stuff.

[@robertnolen8568]

I really like this new series. Also it sounds like you have your love of the game back and it has greatly increased the quality of your videos.

[@Idlehampster]

This was fun to watch, thanks!

[@ichhabdochkeeahnung]

Kripp is trying to mill us with this over 34 min video.

[@user-qv1jm9jr5d]

seems super creative. was fun to watch. thx!

[@quarterpinte]

love the longer videos. Keep it up!

[@RecallFPS]

thank you for sharing your thoughts mate!

[@HoHoTacoBaco]

Sick deck, Kripp. Well done.

[@Danilego]

Oh, I really miss mill decks! I wonder if they'll ever get played again in Standard, since Coldlight Oracle is in the Hall of Fame

[@Itzak15]

Love these ones Kripp

[@thedkboyz]

Changed a few things but I gotta say, Its fun as fuck watching your opponent wheeping from losing their Jererxxers and Millganis

[@fantasyis_justice2491]

That last game was pretty sick. I don't have the right legendaries to pull this off, but it looks awesome!

[@Volvary]

If you want to look at another version of it with less legendaries and more suited against rush (which dominate early ladder), look at Siv HD's version of it.

[@marticus42]

One of your best decks yet Kripp. Never change the way you constantly change.

[@brotalnia]

Tried playing a mill druid today and i got totally owned by all the zoo cheap minions rush types of decks. It seems impossible to mill them. They keep emptying their whole hand every turn and i usually die the next turn cause their board is full of minions. I tried placing a whole lot of removal and taunts in the deck to help me survive but that only extended my suffering by 2-3 turns. As soon as i make them draw everything goes to shit and i get destroyed.

[@iTzMajman]

I dont mean to be a duche but when you get below rank 10 you dont get vs Zoo and other rush decks that often. Like Kripp, rank 9 and only control for the most part.

[@Regenerd]

Majman I dont mean to be a duche but when you get below rank 1 you will, unlike kripp encounter a shitlot of aggro because it is still very reliable after GvG

[@iTzMajman]

Regenerd Well i never get vs them anymore. Just AidsMage, Warrior. Handlock and different types of Mech

[@ashiok]

as he said at the start, this deck doesn't work against aggro, it's just a counter to control archetypes.

[@AurOn-lz8uv]

Ashiok U B which is basically 90% of decks from rank 10 to legendary, so it works great, 90% of the time. :P

[@ruslanvictorenko1536]

Good to see Kripp back in the seat of thinking outside the box.

[@hubbabubba2398]

Would the addition of goblin sappers (2/4 +4 attack when opponent has 6 or more cards in hands) and lorewalker cho make this better? In that case, what would you substitute them with?

[@FlyingTeacup]

I haven't been playing Hearthstone for that long, don't have any of the legendaries used by Kripp in this vid. But a Druid mill deck is the most fun strategy I've played with thus far. I don't play against pro players, so it's pretty funny to confuse them about what I'm doing not playing any minions and not doing damage, healing up everything they throw at me and destroying their minions. Then their decks are almost empty and the pain comes lol. Really, really close games sometimes. Won a number of times with just 1 health by planning out the fatigue damage. Those are so satisfying.

[@myrebirthcollection8875]

I love watching kripp play Mill Druid it looks like a really fun deck!

[@maxshibanov818]

sick games, bro sick calculation

[@TheWafflesNL]

Ive been playing it from the beginning of GvG, its so much fun to play. The only class were i really had trouble with was the aggro mage. The hunter matchup isnt that hard if you use the removal correctly. Also its just fun to kill someone with fatigue starting at turn 9

[@akajiblubb2401]

very cool deck Kripp!

[@Chris349]

This deck looks really fun. Lot's of control decks out there right now so this might actually work,

[@dman6261]

The deck looks amazing!!! goblin zapper may have some value here

[@kiwimangosurprise]

this is stupid. You're just beating really really terrible players.

[@sinephase]

IKR? I play against better players at rank 17 LOL

[@Cownar]

Come on, a druid without combo and a warrior without Gromm, killer decks early 2014!

[@danliang3761]

Ko kokoko The meta in early 2014 was much weaker than the current meta, back then people were still figuring stuff out after beta, and some powerful decks like Zoo, or Miracle Rogue weren't prevalent.

[@blyjd91]

Ko kokoko Maybe didn't get the combo?

[@MPXR7]

Bad players at rank 8? Lol

[@lyndy101]

Really cool deck kripp, was disappointed when there were only two game examples :(

[@iluvatarchem]

IC the hardcore videos are flooding this channel.gj Krip..

[@mynamenoneofyourbusiness652]

i think that u can add baron rivendare because with the dancing blades and the mechanical yetai that combo very well

[@fishwithoutwings]

I ran into a mill druid last night (casual mode). I was playing control Paladin. There was no tree of life, but two antique healbots, one of which was returned and played again with a Youthful Brewmaster, so about as much heal as ToL most of the time and not healing my hero. The druid managed to burn about 1/3 of my deck, and I might have gone up to 4 fatigue damage in the end. But I also had healbots (and lay on hands but that was a dead card for obvious reasons) and I still won the game. The druid only managed to burn Sylvanas as far as my legendaries go, and he wasted naturalize on midgame creatures. So Tirion was hard for him to deal with (and he had little board presence so 15 damage to face with the weapon), Ragnaros even harder, and all he could do about Sneed's Old Shredder was freeze it with a spare part. His clockwork giant was easily toppled with equality. He might have milled my deck but he gave me a great hand (minus lay on hands) for the last few turns! I also went up against a mill rogue recently. I was playing Mech Mage. I used echo of Medivh before I realized it was a mill deck, but it never really hurt me. The best play the rogue had was a Vanish when I had a full hand. But the game was over when the rogue's deathlord, which I killed on my turn, summoned my Archmage Antonidas. I had a secret and a spare part to play, so the rogue just conceded after that. It was pretty funny. Deathlord is so bad.

[@jakislol1111]

"I just want to fuck with my opponents and really give them a hard time" - Kripp 2014

[@clickpwn]

thats pretty awesome but you were soo lucky in both games that their grom/savage roar combo was in bottom of their deck lol. but still nice to see it actually worked

[@JavierBacon]

The two examples of this deck being played were against a control druid apparently not running ancients or force savage combo, and a control warrior not running grommash combo. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[@isacoh4743]

Mill decks are also very good with mind control tech, cuz in most cases opponents tend to put 3-4 minions on the board in one turn.

[@TheReadArmy]

I would suggest using a BGH. Makes Handlock match up even easier with the brew masters.

[@GegenDenStrom25]

Amazing fun to watch! Mill decks belong to cardgames, but honestly it's not at the point that i would call it good or even consistent, but we're on the way guys, we're on the way!

[@kermitdf7026]

Play this deck more its so much Fun to watch! :)

[@yio5000]

Mill Druid : turns out its preeeeety good

[@kaibe5241]

This great - can see you've been working on forced card draw since your rogue deck late last year. Nice :)

[@7St0rm]

I like to call this reverse handruid :D so much fun

[@user-ko1bg5wg8n]

What can I put instead of Troggzor, 1 tree of life(maybe healbot?) and ETC?

[@AE149823]

Can you talk about mill Rogue as well? Im trying to do Cho Rogue Mill right now, and there is no advice anywhere

[@TripleGlitch]

Not gonna lie, that was pretty funny and amazing to watch. Death by card draw... Sends horrid shivers up my spine haha.

[@farialghifari828]

2 tree of life, because one is not enough..

[@Amplifymagic]

It's not a Millhouse deck without Millhouse Manastorm.

[@H4mmerfall]

This channel has gotten so awesome ever since krip switched to hearthstone. There's salt in the videos, there's salt in the comments... every upload, just pure gold

[@marisduhtiks7835]

what abou deathwing as finisher? get rid of draws and save deathwing as last finisher of opponents board?

[@bluemeat8299]

this deck looks soo fun!

[@AaronCross760]

I hope they add some more 'oppenent draws' cards in to make mill decks viable

[@MaXiMux87]

Kripparrian Hey Krip, I always aimed to do a mill druid, since the launch of the game, and it's kinda hard since I never spent a penny in the game. I came with a very similar cardlist last week, with the addicion of Deathlord instead of some of your lategame, since its more likely it's going to grab another crap minion from the enemy deck (-1 card)

[@GeorgeLaw91]

Watching this with subtitles is quite funny.

[@UnFoReaL]

one of the best fatigue decs I've ever seen..

[@qweas234]

i love the mill druid, krip you make awesomes decks. :)

[@SecondRateGamer]

Deathlord, the 2/8 Taunt that summons a creature from the opponents deck onto the battlefield when it dies is also good in this deck. I've been running it. It mills the deck, but also has the added benefit of negating the battlecry effect of the card. I had a Pally rage quit when he kills my Deathlord, and what I assume was his only Quartermaster drops in for no Battlecry. Pretty Hilarious.

[@21ramp]

Almost like this is the first time kripps tried to have fun with the game

[@moodyman347]

Would Sapper work in this deck? The only reason I can think of that it would not is that it gives incentive for your opponent to play cards. Thoughts?

[@TuMs223]

Bad opponents? Well, i'd like to see you facing such a deck... Kripp had an awesome idea and I personally think this is just the best control deck ever... against other control decks, tho. Against aggro you are going to be painfully punched in the nuts, but still, awesome job Kripp, big fan ;D

[@NorthFactory]

What do you think about mountain giants in such deck?

[@ShirpaTheShirpa]

This is a really fun deck. Would mill again.

[@Jomppexx]

6+2+2=10? Kripp must really have been practicing his math. Kappa

[@blastwave2k]

I played against (and beat barely with a secret mage) a mill tree of life Druid deck. It ran starfall and poison seeds to stall my mech component

[@BasicLand-Swamp]

Ohhh man. It's so good to see Control Warrior losing...

[@0DarkTime0]

Okey - 500th comment. If you fatigue, you are taking maybe 3 dmg next turn, now your malorne dies and you have a card to draw next turn, will you reset the fatigue dmg so the turn after it is at 1 dmg or will it continue at 3dmg?

[@DaveYognaut01]

You have broken the Matrix. Do not question it.

[@0DarkTime0]

D:

[@ianwright2401]

Rogue's do it from behind sounds so dirty.

[@hsamotzikmunda6547]

Hey kripp, i have mill too. Think about death lord its another one card from his deck. With naturalize u have nothin to be scared about.and baron rivendare ( two cards from swords, two creatures from death lord, two parts from yeti,.....) And for be sure of clearin bigger mobs play destro all and put 2/2 trees. My opnion

[@ChaseMe2TheSky]

Deck is called "Millhouse", but doesn't have a Millhouse in it

[@freshjulian1]

This deck is awesome!

[@nicocappe9038]

I think malorne is a sick card! I mean, in the "Fatigue turns" you are sure that malorne won't die! Because if he (or she, idk really what it is xD) die, you'll keep drawing hem so you'll never going to suffer damage from fatigue. The oponent knows malorne needs to stay at the field so he can't kill hem! Im gonna try it by my self! :3

[@havek23]

Why was the druid using Recycle instead of BGH or something cheaper? And at 20:30 he could've played Clockwork Giant if he had Mukla'd first

[@CrzyLion]

i have to ask, why on earth the mechanical yetis when youve got a deck that already has a serious threat of milling yourself

[@kdreadnought]

In my opinion, I believe Mill Rogue works just as well, if not better than Mill Druid. The inclusion of things such as shadow step (for mass Coldlight or Mukla plays) and Saps are quite handy, but the Mill Rogues true ace is the Vanish combo. With the right setup, Vanish can complete wipe an opponents board, as returning a minion to a full hand results in it being erased. Its committing to the idea far harder than Mill Druid is, but it's far more fun as a concept.

[@Lucasjmaaloe]

what happens if you steal tree of life as a preist and has soulpriest out?

[@Heipeni]

For the people disliking this video, i think this deck is really cool. If you skip to 9:40, you miss the part, when kripp himself says maybe its not the strongest deck to ladder. I tried this myself, and i just raped an handlock. Yes, this deck is not good against rush decks, since your giving them cards to put on board, and mill yourself up and soak in damage. You can try to modify this deck to counter these rushing decks, just like i did, and i'm doing kinda nice in the ladder at this moment. Thank you Kripparian ! :). Atleast i like this deck! Keep up the good work :)

[@fixit4]

His other mill druid won like 12 games in a row this one wasn't good

[@MardenZengar]

I don't know about legend but since ladder decks are almost all rush decks forget using this concept.

[@Volvary]

Thor Odinson I run mine with 2 A-bombs, 2 Mana Wraith and Starfall and have had great success with it. I am still missing the legendaries I need to make it competitive (Cho and Mukla) but I can keep up with rush until they start running out of steam.

[@jie8569]

this deck is really interesting, if it is in china, maybe victory would become much more difficult. opponents seems not aware that their hands would be full and the warrior cannot win even he has two Grommash. Well played!

[@Dobleclick]

Cool! I like decks which make cards that no one ever plays a valid option and a fundamental part of the deck strategy...

[@guchmaster69]

Hello Kripparrian! It's going well, thanks for asking!

[@octavioferroni]

amazing deck !!

[@Lionbug]

Goblin Sapper is amazing why isnt it in there??

[@dogman5798]

What about the heal druid that you made with Malorne

[@SylvanasWindrunnerResurrected]

This got to be the funniest deck you could make, fucking with the enemy's deck.

[@beatboxinghippie]

I'm a Golden Druid and have been for a few months now. This season I went from rank 19-4 using different variations of Druid, and that included the mill that y'all seem to be hating on, I imagine, with very little experience. You can't say much after watching one streamer play one deck. Yeah my deck is very different, but that's not to say I won many games, even against Zoo and Mech, using this 'unreliable' tactic. What you've got to remember that burning cards not only gives you an insight into their deck, but paces the game forward in a way that you can get to fatigue games before turn 10 with the right draws. Because of this, the curve needs to be a bit earlier so that, if the enemy is dropping cards faster than you can mill them, you can compete. It's all about balance, it's about persistence and it's about experimenting and calculating the performance of your decks. Cards like the Grove Tender fill an incredible niche post-GVG and although from a quick glance they look bad, after playing around 80-100 games of Mill alone, I could confidently posit that Mill is a great deck for ladder and maybe, if the comp-meta's asking for it, even for competitive play.

[@june372]

At 28:30 why the hell didn't the warrior cruel task first...that would have made Crush cost 3.

[@Jeffrey76515]

That order on the Crush + Taskmaster....

[@BrownCookieBoy]

lorewalker cho, a good card for this deck?

[@MDksa123]

22:47 why not play clock work giant?

[@GeileBever]

Just wondering why you woudnt play deathlord?

[@Szadek23]

Shouldn't mountain giant work very well in this deck since you will also draw many cards?

[@TF2PNub]

I play a shizzy version of Ramp Druid. High mana curve, little card draw (Don't have the dust for a Ancient of Lore yet), and no Force of Roar combo. What should happen when I go up against a mill deck is that I burn half my deck because I can only get out a couple of minions at a time. What ends up happening when I face Mill Druids is that they solve my card draw problems and waste their naturalizes on a few powerful Taunt buffed minions and die to my Ironbarks while I fill my board with Keepers and Taz'Dingos.

[@Phyx1u5]

would iron juggernaut synergise well in this deck? especially when they are fatigued.

[@superkill6267]

but you cant put iron juggernaut in druid because its a warrior card

[@YepX]

Im jealous at your Elite Deck naming Skills - I blow at naming things

[@ArmandasxLT]

"I just want to fuck with my opponents" - Kripp 2014 (GvG expansion)

[@alexdinas6070]

I miss this Kripp..

[@niIIer1]

Sea giants would fit in a mill deck, especially in this kind of aggro meta.

[@MrErikcool]

Siv HD played this years ago.

[@tobb1875]

This deck is fucking sick kripp, you are an evil genious !!

[@SirZackoTheWizard]

Why are there so many negative comments??? Hearthstone is i fun silly card game and this is a fun still deck i'v had my ass handed to me using this deck but i had a blast doing so, thanks Krippa for the great deck man!

[@Luftgitarrenprofi]

It's a good deck that generally does well against control and is incredibly fun in comparison to pretty much everything else efficient "oldschool" (new cards, same concept and gameplay as in the last 5 seasons) in the meta. It has some really really bad matchups against all aggro and zoo though, not just the ones Kripp mentioned. So get control and be favored + have fun or get aggro/zoo and get krushed to oblivion.

[@1Henrink]

What do you think about iron juggernaut on the deck ,you will certanly make him draw the mine...well it may burn that is the only negative part

[@ShroomHeaven1337]

Iron Juggernaut in a Druid deck?