Hearthstone player rates classic Magic cards

[@covertgoblue]

check out @rarran on youtube, search for "rarran cgb" to find our videos discussing Alpha, Beta, Unlimited, Hearthstone, and more. A video featuring Arabian Nights cards should be coming soon on his channel (oops spoilers)

[@devonpiersol1207]

“Are you SURE this card is bad?” Even in conversations, CGB always has 2 untapped blue mana

[@BakedPotatoesGuys]

Incredible joke, kudos!

[@briankirz231]

underrated comment

[@sylvainsanesti3499]

great comment

[@tihuffman]

Hilarious. So true.

[@AzyxA]

So true 😂

[@SyxxPunk]

Millstone has attained the highest level of card game fame: The source of terminology.

[@bodkie]

I stilll remember the first time I heard someone refer to decking out as "getting 'stoned". I thought it was a reference to the devil's lettuce, but it turned out to be a reference to grain processing.

[@ahmetsolgun8607]

Shiiit, is this where the term coming from?

[@ekrotte8714]

​@@ahmetsolgun8607Mill Stone is the card and it is usually called milling because of that.

[@SyxxPunk]

@@ahmetsolgun8607 Tutor also comes from Magic the Gathering.

[@daftwulli6145]

Fun fact, milling your opponent to death was not even the only way millstone was played. There was a messed up mill stone field of dreams deck. So field of dreams says the top card of all players library is always revelaed, and you use millstone to control both yours and opponents draw. Try winning when all your good draws go into the graveyard, and the same happens to ops bad draws. Some versions even used Sylvan library to both hide their draws and have perfect info what they mill from their own deck.

[@noisepollution4473]

You and Rarran have THE best dynamic for these "player of other game rates my game's cards" videos. Absolutely love them to pieces. Rarran knows just enough about the game to make genuine educated guesses, and CGB doesn't overplay the mind games aspect so much to ruin the joy of the actual concept, while still occasionally playing small tricks here and there to keep things interesting. You guys are great at this, extremely looking forward to every set you guys cover together going forward.

[@theresnosiknamesleft]

That ornithopter is $6.50, not $650. You missed the decimal!

[@yanbosse]

came here to say that

[@avee1210]

confused me at first. had to double check lmao

[@SirFrancisBaconn]

Only this specific printing though, you can get it as cheap as 10 cents!

[@JonaxII]

You can also get it for multiple hundred in the right printing​@@SirFrancisBaconn

[@dark_rit]

Yeah I was like no way is ornithopter $650 even if it was a rare I'm skeptical since winter mishra's factory is half that and it's sought after for art for the most part since factory isn't used a ton in 2024 I'm guessing as legacy likes their wasteland and urza's saga stuff these days.

[@maximilianobarros6196]

Milling cards in now a rule that's name comes from millstone! I used to love that card when I played 4th ed

[@gardian06_85]

Mtg has always been special . Thank you for the clarification on mono artifacts. Millstone was good until they killed my boi with the Got-Dang sideways T Wizards did Millstone dirty with 1 symbol.

[@bouboulroz]

​@@gardian06_85 It was a mono artefact, you always had to tap it.

[@maximilianobarros6196]

@@gardian06_85 there were mono and poly artifacts in the day... the changed mono artifact for tap

[@justasaiyanfromearth5252]

oh that's my favorite YuGiOh streamer Ramranch.

[@fuuryuuSKK]

Which fits with their discussion of Candelabra

[@MrocnyZbik]

CGB cannot stop playing Control even when he's talking

[@OhDuNhiOi]

Aggro is boring but effective

[@Kaiasky]

This is so funny lmfao i love how he talks though

[@urnow2986]

Putting Tolarian Academy up in the same review after showing Serra's Sanctum would be fun

[@poopmcgee2410]

Kjeldoran outpost or lake of the dead, vs any of the others

[@dark_rit]

I mean serra's sanctum is weaker because it's white and enchantments, but it's still a broken land. Tolarian academy is just top 5 lands ever printed though with ease, used to laugh when people would say 'oh maybe we can unban academy in legacy' around 2010-2012 when less artifacts were out, but it's like no the entire format devolves into academy mirrors particularly with the old legend rule back then just placing both academies in the graveyard if two were played on different sides of the table.

[@franslair2199]

Serra's Sanctum in my Light-paws deck would be absolutely insane tbh

[@Inugamirukazu]

Mana masturbation Holy shit i almost died laughing I was not expecting it

[@LegitHarpyHunter]

Everyone is just edging in the candlelight.

[@Kryptnyt]

"Where are they now?" Millstone became Grindstone and married a scarecrow, they live happily in Legacy and Vintage to this day Colossus of Sardia fell in the oil and became Phyrexian Colossus, just in time for Tinker and Tolarian Academy to show up. It was the worst summer ever to be an Ornithopter Candleabra of Tawnos became a wrinkly old man in Time Spiral that no one really plays All the lands died to Strip Mine, which also technically died to itself And ornithopter? Let's just say... he's had some Cranial work done.

[@blindey]

Beautiful.

[@retronymph]

I think ornithopter is more well known nowadays for getting equipped with a hammer than with cranial plating.

[@Littlewh0]

The cool thing (I think) about the lore of the set. While its about the brothers war, the theme of the set isn't the war itself, its of archaeologists finding relics and ruins of the war

[@shadowfate05]

Wrong war you're thinking of. Antiquities does indeed have a bunch of archaeology digging up the remains of a war, but it's because the archaeologists (including Urza and Mishra as apprentices to Tocasia in their youth) were digging up the remains of the Thran civilization that destroyed itself in a civil war. They used a bunch of the Thran tech in their war

[@christopherb501]

​@@shadowfate05No, that is what's right. This is based on historical findings and musings about the age of the Brothers, and of course it does mention the Thran as Thran remains are inextricable from their story.

[@shadowfate05]

@@christopherb501 Honest question, can you point me to where it says that Antiquities is based after the war and is historians musing on what happened? The only thing I've found are descriptions of the set saying it's the story of the Brothers' War, and an archived FAQ from the Magic Storyline Team on the Wizards site from 2000 that says "Back during Antiquities, Urza was not a planeswalker, but an artificer in his 60's. As a planeswalker, he gained the ability to alter his appearance and so he appears - thousands of years later - as a much younger man." when asked how old he was and why he looks younger in recent sets. If he was an artificer in his 60s *during* Antiquities, doesn't that mean Antiquities takes place during the events of the Brothers War, not historians and archaelogists digging up and musing about the war?

[@sharlockshacolmes9381]

"You're game really changed my life it really made me see myself with a new perspective... Upkeep strip mine your mountain, play strip mine pass... Yhea I really understood how good it feels to make people miserable"

[@laytonjr6601]

This lets me play lands from my graveyard, and that lets me play multiple lands per turn. Do you want to concede?

[@SuddenReal]

"It's really a game that brings people together... in a hatred against me..."

[@PiousHeathen]

"Lil' Danny" is an incredible addition to the Timmy/Johnny/Spike/Vorthos Pantheon of players. The new player, naive and excited, but also hungry to get better. So good.

[@shaneg9081]

You left out Melvin

[@nomukun1138]

@@shaneg9081 Story of Melvin's life.

[@laurelkeeper]

@@nomukun1138as a dedicated Melvin and thus a nut about using this game design terminology correctly, I feel compelled to make everyone aware that Melvin and Vorthos are different than Tim/Jon/Spike - the former represent aesthetic preferences and design sensibilities, the latter represent player gameplay psychographics, and R&D treats them differently.

[@PyroManiac637]

Stripmine crucible lock truly is good honest Magic as Richard Garfield intended it.

[@Budasac]

46:35 Rarran’s reaction to “Meet n Beat” 💀💀💀

[@lesternomo6578]

im dying

[@UrGhostGaming]

thats hilarious

[@Mumaakil]

LMAO

[@PhoenixInfeno]

What we need is a commander game with Rarran, Voxy, CGB and Brian Kibler

[@maciejpawe3700]

That sounds so good

[@jeroenslaghout]

Hell yeah, I havent played Magic in like 5 years but I would watch the frick outta that!

[@ridethelightning247]

I have to say, I was skeptical about the new direction for the channel and thought I would miss the daily gameplay videos, but this was some of the best mtg content I've seen. I love learning about lore and legendary moments in mtg history. You are so knowledgeable in that realm and have so much to offer in it, I'm so glad you decided to branch out in this way. This video was epically hilarious, I can't wait for the next installment!

[@kylejohnson4662]

Hilarious that you guys referenced said “blue balling yourself” when the deck Candelabra sees the most play in is High Tide.

[@tomekk895]

1. Thopter was played from beginning - mostly combined with "unstable mutation" and "howl from beyond" in some BU decks 2. Colossus is bad. But players tried to make it work with "instill energy" 3. Millstone was OKish - but mostly to slow. In the ultra control decks juzam, serra or as you mentioned mishra's factory simply worked faster. But yes Millstone was the first sucessful win-con in these decks

[@ankhi3585]

One main advantage of Millstone is that most decks had a bunch of creature removal maindeck so it blanked 8 cards in the opponent´s deck. People were of course also playing Disenchants but there were at max 4 of them and there were plenty of other must-destroy targets for those.

[@LarryActionGlass]

Thopter was used with holy and unholy strength too, I believe Richard himself used to play it, that or it was one of the artists, Jysper maybe? Because I think Richard used to do Flying Men and Scryb SPrites with Unstable Mutation and bezerk...

[@Lulidine]

The art on these older cards is some of my favorite.

[@DiscardatRandom]

Magic art now is too cartoonish imo

[@theelectricant98]

Yeah it's one of the unfortunate downsides of a lot of artists working largely in digital ​@@DiscardatRandom

[@Blizz3112]

Art is just bland current age... it is made by AI or something...

[@tuomasronnberg5244]

Came for the cards, stayed for the stories. The way CGB's eyes lit up when he recollects his game memories from way back is really heartwarming 🙂

[@wakkacraft84]

You could have warped his mind by giving him the over-under with the Antiquities War vs a modern printing

[@FlawlessRhythmGG]

He should have told him he could get the full set of 12 tron lands for $5. 😂

[@Teurger]

I almost suffocated from laughter on Candelabra discussion! 😂 Now I can't stop thinking about Dark Ritual...

[@Numphyyy]

Gives a new meaning to popping off with your combo deck...

[@kelvinsoo9456]

Some kind dude who was a stranger I met in a LGS like 10 years showed me his album which has a few pages of all Strip Mines. Took out 1 from it and gave to me, no strings attached. And that’s just having met him for like 15 minutes.

[@TLWHDX]

You met a biblical angel

[@notmrcrowley9757]

One guy gave me a one ring because I let him borrow a golgari charm at a rcq. Had never met the guy before but he mentioned he needed a golgari charm and I happened to have one, so I gave it to him. I was thinking "it's like 30 cents so what if he steals it". we get to talking and I mention I'm trying to build tron and still need rings, so he gave me one out of his commander deck. Chill guy, I still run into him occasionally

[@mirrovenelunge1778]

the 5th edition rulebook insert that came with a sealed pack actually has "Our condolences to everyone who has been killed by an Ornithopter" in it

[@thrillhouse4151]

That’s it, I’m adding Strip Mine to my blue/white Shorikai combo/control/solitaire commander deck that I was debating taking apart. It must be done to satisfy the Sun Titan, my “fun” card.

[@anonymouse8124]

CGB origin story reveal! Can't believe that's what turned you into the blue-white control mage we all love today... witnessing the very first pro tour victory in person. Couldn't have written a better story.

[@tciddados]

Covert talking Strip Mine: "Everyone should play this, we should be evil to each other" Covert earlier: "Some magic players aren't socially adjusted and don't understand what they should and shouldn't do" I see you.

[@deathtoallturkeys]

For Strip Mine, the land destruction taboo is a thing but also it is much worse in multiplayer than in 1v1. It's mana disadvantage to you and the target, which when there's no other player means its mana neutral. But when you have 2 other opponents, you're stone raining yourself to stone rain one opponent.

[@maximilianobarros6196]

agreed, a field of ruin might work better even at a cost of 2 mana

[@thomaswilburne9756]

Demolition Field is a strict upgrade to Field of Ruin since it does the same thing without ramping the entire table.

[@ich3730]

@@thomaswilburne9756 might not be strictly better, ramping the whole table can garner you sympathy in casual games. "I cucked the leading player out of their gaeas cradle *and* gave you guys a basic, how about you dont hit me with your stuff"

[@burnsboy101]

@@ich3730it’s strictly better, stop trying to find the one instance where it’s still worse

[@dark_rit]

Usually in EDH people would just prefer dust bowl as it doesn't answer just one problematic land without recurring it, it can do it over and over. Since killing basic lands isn't really important unless it's in constructed then you may blow up a basic so you can wasteland their nonbasic.

[@notitlesapply]

This was super entertaining. Laughed so much. Will never be able to look at a candelabra the same way again lol

[@jorcer8959]

Man I have never touched a Magic card in my life but I love your videos because your love of the game is so clear and contagious. Just wanted to say thank you for hours and hours of entertainment even to someone who has no idea about magic

[@Duall8]

33:50 Okay I was surprised that Candelabra was under $1000, my memory isn't wrong. Also, Strip Mine isn't a Reserved List card (so it's been reprinted), was an uncommon, and isn't legal in legacy, so that's helpful. Also, Also, Pauper is commons only. So yes, the Tron lands have been printed at common.

[@FalseHerald]

CGB, you, and I mean this in the most loving way possible, are exactly why I don't play commander with strangers anymore lol. In 60 card I'll happy struggle through (or play!) a stasis lock, but in commander I just wanna throw around big dumb cards that I thought were cool when I was 10. Great video, love the background and history lessons. Love the back and forth between you and Rarran. Keep it up!

[@WilliamMacLeod-en3pm]

26:32 hold on ANY assembly worker!? This will be sick in an assembly worker deck! O wait 😂

[@chubbeebunnee1708]

I've watched Rarran every once in awhile for years now, he actually is the reason i found this channel. Awesome seeing you guys talk MTG

[@lordderyk]

Talking about Trolling people with Urza Lands. My kid challenged me to build a commander deck themed around grass ART. Yeah. I put in the Spring? Urza's Tower (v3 on Gatherer) with no other Tron lands because it was the only one with grass in the art. :D It was fantastic. People's eyebrows would go up into their hairlines when I'd play it. LOL

[@lokiorin5520]

21:33 - Soon as I saw the Candelabra I flashed back to watching Feline Longmore going off with High Tide. Those were good days and fun tourneys to watch on SCG.

[@jjf414]

This video was so fun! Appreciated the varied content. The stories, having a laugh, the CGB background & motivation... and of course, little Danny. These narrative layers don't come out as much in the gameplay stuff. Also, nice guest! Thank you for your service ;-)

[@supershottyproblems]

Just got done reading The Brothers' War a few days ago. My only experience of Mtg as a kid was the big orange-cover card catalog that had every single card from alpha all the way up to Apocalypse. I used to love just sitting there and reading over all these cards and looking at the art and the lore. I never actually had any Magic cards or played the game myself, but by reading the flavor text and looking at the art I was able to piece together the stories. I have a tremendous amount of fondness for old MtG cards and it's very interesting for me to see videos like this since I'm also looking at the actual game with very little experience.

[@jeffmallet8954]

CGB you said you were going to be trying some new things in your retiring video and I’m assuming this is part of that so here’s some honest feedback. Loved it. I will smash that like button. Really enjoyed the interaction with another KZbinr as well as learning more about the history of magic the gathering!

[@flintston3r]

Arcbound Ravager hyyype! I went to an LGS over the weekend and found out they were selling Darksteel packs. Of course I had to pick one up and found out about the joy of unpacking an Arcbound Ravager

[@salvatorenovello9139]

CGB, this is an amazing new type of videos for your channel! I love it! Keep doing your magic!

[@matesafranka6110]

Also, I have definitely experienced the Commander Problem. Three of us were at a table with some fun midrange decks, a fourth player joined us, played solitaire for five minutes on turn 3, and took three battle phases dealing 30 damage on each. I was like, "What exactly do you need _us_ for...?"

[@behemoth9543]

What do you mean 3 printings? There´s Tron lands from Antiquities, Chronicles, 5th, 8th and 9th edition, Double Masters, Jumpstart 2022, Commander Masters. Thats 8 printings even not counting different versions in the same set and foreign language printings.

[@Kristjan0209]

He also said that the most recent printing of millstone was 6th edition

[@BusinessSkrub]

When your opponent plays Ornithopter+Ensoul Artifact, it makes your opponent laugh twice as hard back at you lol

[@docshoe]

Mishra's Factory + Consecrate Land + Nova Pentacle was a pretty good combo in creatureless control decks like BUW Abyss Control.

[@tallokie]

millstone is so important, it literally created the mechanic name of Mill

[@Bobal27]

29:46 Honestly, “not a dude dot deck” was my bread and butter in DTK standard. I realized the myth of a creatureless (almost) deck, and it turned “End Hostilities” into “Raigeki.” Citadel Siege made my board wipes into two-to-five-for-ones. I even ran Quarantine Field, look it up, it’s a meme for the dreamers. Edit: Oh. The reason I brought that up is that man lands (Shambling Vents), enchantments and artifacts (Myth Realized, Ojutai and Silumgar Monuments), and counter spells, card draw, board wipes, removal, and even a couple of extremely cheeky Narsets that ulted for the win quite often, all of which trigger myth to grow bigger, and let you hold up your mana (except the reloads and narsets, but rebound on a draw 4 is stupid), and only make your creatures into creatures when you know they won’t die (negate, scatter to the winds, dissipate until it rotated and I swapped in dissolve, even 4 of dispel in sideboard, etc.). My not a dude are not creatures unless I want them to put in work. I can clean up the stalled board (can’t attack with my threat of activation on not a dudes), then clean up with a 7/7 or bigger than only costs 1 mana to animate, that I played on turn one.

[@kthxbye13]

thanks for the shoutout of the book, I still have it on my shelf! Really easy to read, better than modern magic stories by a mile.

[@Jhinjubei]

Minor correction, Mishra's Facotry was printed at uncommon once in Antiquities. The other three arts were rare.

[@L1v3W1r3d]

More like "Pranking a Hearthstone zoomer about classic Magic cards" 😂

[@leomeror]

This was SO AWESOME!!!! And so fun!!! It seemed like it was fun to film and it was a lot of fun to watch! Love it!

[@thibdon1723]

Relating to what CGB said about the way people play MTG (ie. some people like to optimize, etc.) I saw another channel IHYD where the guest's deck featured what he termed "Black people tribal/typal" in that all of his cards (aside from land) featured a person of color. I don't remember how well it played, but you get all kinds of concepts for decks. It's ep. 68 on IHYD if anyone wanted to check it out.

[@TheArcSet]

Thanks for this. A very fun episode. The janky brewer in my wants to suggest a combos episode; things like land stealing changling druids or making lands flip as werewolves. Candelabra - Forbidden Orchard - Leyline of Singularity Aristocrats. Winds Zendikon - Darksteel Citadel - Pariah.

[@Ashebrethafe]

27:19 The way I’d explain this is that every permanent gets summoning sickness (unless it has haste), but that doesn’t stop you from activating its tap abilities unless it’s a creature. (In fact, the _Shandalar_ computer game had an option to make summoning sickness visible on all permanents.) So you can play a Factory and immediately tap it (for mana or to pump an Assembly-Worker), but you can’t turn it into a creature and then tap it (except to pay a cost of another card through the act of tapping, rather than by spending the mana produced by the Factory’s own ability). Also, permanents regain summoning sickness when their controller changes, which is why spells and abilities that steal creatures until end of turn usually give them haste at the same time.

[@nathaeladalyah9681]

I started playing MtG in 2003 and played at many FNMs and several Grand Prix. When I moved away in 2017, there were no gamer shops nearby, so I switched to Hearthstone. Watching the two of you together has been a refreshing experience. I would watch an entire series of the two of you introducing each other into their respective games.

[@Karvir]

I'm so glad to learn Magic with CGB. Today I learned about mana masterbation and mana blueballing. Can't wait to learn more!

[@ItsNotXhad]

I started M:tG when fourth edition was still in print. Back then, it had a paper rulebook as it couldn't be assumed everyone was online. At the very end was an italicized notice: "Our condolences to anyone who has been killed by an Ornithopter."

[@DirtyDog97]

21:07 The insane combo with Candelabra of Tawnos was with Library of Alexandria. The player could draw an extra card each turn for just 1 colorless, making total cards drawn each turn could easily be three to the opponent's one.

[@Theanthill216]

Ornithopter is one of my favorite artifact creatures in mtg

[@bigbuffguy9589]

Mishra's Workshop is so broken that it's gotten like half a dozen artifacts restricted in Vintage because Wizards won't restrict Workshop itself due to its astronomically high price because of the reserved list, so they have to go after the payoffs.

[@TheAurgelmir]

Like these early expansion reviews, because they are some of the cards I played with back when I was still playing. Although then in the reprint set of the first four expansions (Which I for the love of me can't remember the name of)

[@40Kfrog]

50:10 It's taboo to blow up *all* of your opponents' lands. Especially if you do it repeatedly, like with the Crucible lock, and extra especially if you don't have a way to win relatively quickly after doing it. But single-target land removal is absolutely essential in Commander because insanely strong lands like Gaea's Cradle are legal and that player will run away with the game if left unchecked.

[@MrPluron7]

42:05 my favorite story about one of these people was a random guy who joined our group of budget decks intending to just stomp us, he was having a great time controlling the board, using proxied fetches to go get proxied og duals while we're playing temples and guildgates (I don't have a problem with proxies but he didn't even check) he's just taking all the turns being really unpleasant. he then casts lavalanch on the other player that was doing the best for x = 25 I ricochet trap him so he targets his own face, mostly killing him and wiping his board, he died before his turn comes back around, packed up his stuff and sulked away, I felt great.

[@DutchBlackMantha]

12:43 No. Blocking doesn't tap a creature. It's just that you can't block while tapped, such as when you attacked last turn.

[@thediddler6954]

Love both sides of this series, 2 great personalities and lots of interesting analysis that teaches deckbuilding by accident.

[@TwoRedOneBlonde]

Millstone saw zero play? Dude I won multiple tournaments around 5th edition time with a red/white winter orb/icy manipulator/Millstone deck.

[@RosyBramble]

The convo around Millstone is why I always feel so good when I get my teresian mindbreaker out on the field. Seeing the opponent mill half their library is so cathartic.

[@lejacobo]

dude I LOVE this podcasty format. CGB dropping mtg history left and right is so enterteining and informative as well

[@arrivtuber]

52:10 I once played against a guy who build a Saruman themed edh deck and had Urzas Tower as Isengard and Urzas Mine as the mines surrounding Isengard. When on player said he only needs Powerplat to assable tron, he said "Saruman didn't have a powerplant". He legit only played the two in the deck and not powerplant

[@Meese12]

Ive fallen out of regularly playing MTG so i dont watch many techs n stuff anymore, but it's great to see cgb pop up in my feed again with smth like this!

[@sambrown9475]

51:53 loved seeing Ranran learn about tron lands. And how good at counting we are. 1 2 7 🤣🤣🤣

[@thisismyyoutubepage]

I really enjoy this series, and though I’d never heard of him, Rarran is perfect for it. It’s fun to see someone who’s totally ignorant to Magic’s cards but also has a good background in the style of game evaluating these completely blind. A lot of us have gotten tunnel vision over the years, and it’s interesting to see the view of a sort of naive subject matter expert, so to speak. Unlike a lot of other people who have tried to hop on this bandwagon, he also a) *really* wants to do well and b) *really* hasn’t seen any of these. 😂 Last, you two actually seem to get along and enjoy it. P.S. I am so happy you did Sharahzad.

[@TheBiomedZed]

I have to say Rarran crushed it. I love the CGB-Rarran duo because I feel like he really learns about both the history of magic but also gets a good idea of the "meta" of magic which helps him evaluate cards.

[@YouCalledForTheDoc]

Yeah, it’s like in Hearthstone where some years battlecry minions were the real meta and in others pure value shaped the meta around it. Like if Rarran did a video themed around dragon minions/spells in Hearthstone’s different years one would very quickly figure out if dragons were actually good in that particular year or not. (And then of course the final set of cards would be the current Wild Dragon Druid alongside some cards that in theory should be able to stop them)

[@fulltimehustlin3663]

at first i wasnt sure if i was going to watch this video. Turns out, it was very entertaining to listen to while sleeving up a commander deck!

[@Moonsault37]

I really think this video is the best example of this subgenre of TCG content. Often times people guess right/wrong but they don't learn anything about the resource system in Magic or the speed/interaction of Yugioh. For example, someone might guess that Dark Hole was decent, but they don't learn that your deck often has in-archetype interaction.

[@matejleher]

Talking about Thanos into Candelabra of Tawnos and Rarran even didn't notice it

[@tiotharius]

One interesting combo I found for Candelabra is that if you make it a creature with Ensoul Artifact, then have Ashaya, Soul of the Wild out, you can use its ability to untap _itself_. Then all you need is two lands that each tap for two mana and you have infinite mana as early as turn 6, possibly even less with a Sol Ring on board

[@ArdorBlossomFindle]

Rarran's comment about Ornithopter being "what Da Vinci made back in the day" is really funny now that they've revealed the Leonardo da Vinci card for the Assassin's Creed set which actually makes ornithopter tokens

[@RenanTheBoss21]

oooooh i've been waiting for this video, since i'm a magic kinda zoomer as well

[@gaudetgaming]

One thing we have at ourgame shop is have specialized days. Fridays are typicially for drafts/prerelease evebts. But saturday is "No Cry" so expect some powerful commander decks (even CDH ones) to be played and if you lose, you cant "cry about it". Where as Casual Sundays are where you dont play decks with ridiculous combos and for beginners to learn. UNLESS your whole table is ok with it. So you know what youre getting into when you show up

[@TheChesnutCafe]

I've never played mtg or hs. I got recommended one of these videos and liked it so much that I made a cgb and rarran playlist and fall asleep every night listening to it. The algorithm might be actual magic.

[@FreddyChoppins]

13:00 Slagmaw: 😢 It's funny how wildly Rarran overshoots how much he thinks these cards cost, but I think I get it. Ornithopter, which was $6.50, he heard as $650 so the baseline was absurdly high right out of the gate.

[@kelon224]

What's the game CGB is referring to in 39:00 ?

[@kalzhae]

didn't millstone also defined the whole concept of mill deck ? sure itself isn't great but I would still call it pretty important.

[@xnick_uy]

I'm thinking that Candelabra of Tawnos, asides from being able to generate infinite mana via enchanted lands, could have been relevant when manaburn still existed in the game, as a form of venting-off excess mana from unwanted effects. Manasturbation was a big deal back then. The Millstone found new uses as more graveyard-interactions entered the game. Since you can target yourself with the Millstone, you were able to populate your own graveyard with it.

[@jack21222]

I actually played an Ornithopter in my very first Magic tournament. It was in a mono black deck and I didn't quite have enough strong mono black cards, and I needed something to hold my Unholy Strengths and other buffs.

[@nijjanxiang9269]

its crazy that my favorite mtg and hearthstone creators are doing collabs. super entertaining!

[@songopaul5863]

I'll admit when I got into Magic the biggest thing I saw (both in art and power/toughness) was Krosan Cloudscraper. I still to this day have nostalgia for the card because of the Lil' Danny I was back then.

[@davidb4935]

Magic: reading the card explains the card Hearthstone: reading the card dont explain shit

[@lyonsrawrs]

Literally only 20 seconds in and Rarran's angsty ass "...hello" made me laugh out loud

[@LesterMiserable]

ahhh I remember my old mishra factory deck. Let's see how much a 4th edition fetches me!...... a buck fifty....... nice. ETA: Oh man CGB talking about the classic crucible/strip mine lock. It takes me back to the classic one where you keep restarting the game and locking your opponent until they have to concede or kill themselves. It involves Lich's Mirror and other janky stuff.

[@trfinnila6074]

I’ve been watching more of Rarran than CGB as someone who plays mtg and hearthstone so I refuse to not judge him for his evaluations

[@8Smoker8]

Nice villain origin story CGB xD As for commander balance, "I don't need to read the room. The room only needs to read ME." The One is a great movie.

[@Zachpi]

I'm not really a magic player, though I did play in high school, but in yugioh one of my favorite creators is MBT who's name originally came from his favorite mtg deck, Mono Blue Tron, so it is really neat to see the lands that are the namesake to it.

[@abuelovinagres4411]

Running with Scissors is one of the most fun deckst to play. I made my own version, and it still manages to amaze people getting hit by a 5/5 flyng dude, or with an indesctructible land. :v

[@Kasaaz]

I remember the card shop I played at in the late 90s had a Candelabra as one of their big rares that they were selling but no one really wanted to buy. It was like 40 bucks then. Missed out on an invenstement.

[@firedrake110]

I forgot it was called "running with scissors", that's so damn funny lmao

[@MestHoop]

Big thing about Strip Mine: It is banned in MANY formats, hence the price isn't super high. It does fit in many commander decks, and you do WANT land destruction to deal with problematic lands (Cabal Coffers, Gaea's Cradle, Maze of Ith, etc.) but there are many more options available now that are less "oppressive" or have more utility. For example Ghost Quarter doubles up as ramp if you play Faith's Reward or Cosmic Intervention. Or you have cards like Field of Ruin or Demolition Field that "refund" your and your opponent's land with a basic. Plus it makes things like Crucible of Worlds less oppressive to play as well.