Hearthstone Player Rates the New Runeterra Cards

[@Snnuy]

I had 10 cards to show Rarran but unfortunately had to cut Cosmic Call from the final video because there wasn't enough context to make it fair... if you can guess what his rating was I'll give you a cookie though

[@KeyshawnGurley]

8/10

[@tristegnon4786]

He probably thought "8 mana do nothing, so it maybe sees play in very specific decks but probably not meta breaking so most of the time pretty trash"

[@KeyshawnGurley]

@@tristegnon4786 That seems accurate

[@chrishansen1842]

​@@tristegnon4786 I mean That is true the turn you play it cause you're usually spending all your mana to use it lol Afterwards it's really nuts but in that one turn you're really vulnerable especially if you haven't been protecting your health well till that point

[@xavierburval4128]

@@chrishansen1842just depends on the matchup. Sometimes I feel really good slamming it for 8 mana, and other times I feel like I’m always forced to play some other card to stay alive

[@DanielGreis1]

I have a tiny little critique point in the editing of the video: Since Rarran is facing right on his facecam, it seems quite unnatural to me, that sometimes Snnuy is on the left side and Rarran on the right side, so Rarran is basically facing away from Snnuy. I would personally either mirror Rarrans cam or swap the 2 cams in these specific shots. Obviously, the video was still great 😂

[@Snnuy]

Noted for next time, thank you!

[@ShinjiSixteen]

One of your first videos with Rarran was how I discovered you on a YT recommendation. Absolutely love these videos, as some of the "in a vacuum" discussion is phenomenal, plus the chemistry you both have is top notch! And this latest was wonderful!

[@itsoofisf1808]

Great video as usual, love to see these collabs! You look so happy when you're talking to Rarran.

[@frogimmortal]

I'll say it again, I think Rarran does a better job at predicting success than most LOR creators. There have been several times where he was more correct than Sunny (ie. deep has a 49% wr as of this video release). Skip is in a strong deck right now as well

[@Snnuy]

There is no guesswork from my side, i just look at the stats at the time of recording. No skip deck existed (i still put text during the edit that there is a good one now) and deep had a 50%+ winrate with 2 Watery graves at the time

[@tinyturtle1898]

True, I call him "Skip the Asshole" because hes always stealing vengeance or Quicksand. And Fizz Yuumi can protect him with Skysplitter and Elixer of Iron

[@xaius4348]

I hate that you can deny wildfire and the next one still gets increased damage...

[@lameerrorone]

Play/Cast Merge is the reason why. I don't think that's a bug.

[@lukiklepsa6218]

Ionia mains when the enemy has fun:

[@yosh3837]

​​@@lameerroroneyeah i think so, but it feels sucks tho

[@Arteaification]

The damage increase is for each one cast, not for each one resolved.

[@tobias97erdt]

I see no issue here other than you pull a deny and play ionia

[@enoshrs]

As a Boon player, Backpack is way better than people give it credit for, it helps A LOT to make Boon cards "If one of your traps or boons activated this round" more consistent. I can actually run Proximity Puffcap in non-Bard or Teemo decks now because of Backpack. I like to play Norra swarm/impact decks with Realm's Caretaker and Backpack allows for both not missing on Caretaker and gives you the extra burn you need to win the game later on. It counters Janna decks too btw, which is great.

[@kintsugi3932]

Always weird when you see somebody say something is better than what people give it credit for. Pretty sure high ranks and pro players know if a card is good or not. This one is booty.

[@enoshrs]

@@kintsugi3932 Ig the point is that Boons is not a good archetype itself and all the decks that feature Backpack try to make it their focus rather than a support card for the rest of the deck. That being said, if any more Boon card gets printed, buffed, backpack will only increase in value

[@ajkcool]

COPIUM

[@enoshrs]

@@ajkcool Yes. But still, the card is huge for Boon decks.

[@mawillix2018]

@@kintsugi3932 The meme Backpack deck with Sunken Temple has 40% winrate according to the video. (40.4% currently) However, in a Bard deck, it has over 50% winrate. (It's good enough to be B tier) If it was in PnZ it would probably be pretty good in Teemo Ionia decks, currently too many of Teemo's support cards are in PnZ, and going all in on shrooms is a meme. I've run into multiple Skip decks that ran it on ladder today, if it's popular enough, maybe we'll find out it's winrate. Skip without backpack is already S tier, I'm not going to argue that the card is good if it reduces Skip to an A tier deck, but if it doesn't majorly impact the winrate, or even increases the winrate, then it's a good card. Snnuy undervalues almost any card that isn't a build around, unless it's been in one of the most played decks. Maybe ask Snnuy how good Lurk is?

[@elbardo_lux]

There's a story of why hearthstone has the fatigue mechanic. Originally the game had the mechanic of losing when you run out of deck; while the game was in development, one day they invited a senior dev from another one of blizzard games (I think it was jeff kaplan) to try out the game; he was having a lot of fun playing all the different cards until he ran out of deck and instantly lost the game. He felt so bad because he was having so much fun, so they decided to add the fatigue mechanic to allow the game to continue a bit more even if your deck got empty.

[@cl0k3]

Sunny not even mentioning how valley can transform into that thing that doubles stats, making the valley a big meatball, that's what I fear more when I see that darn rock. Day 15 of asking for Janna Vayne

[@Insharai]

Weiss Schwarz is an interesting one for decking like shuffling your deck is a mechanic

[@user-gj3by8gk9h]

With skip. If you lucky, you can also capture the transform card for nidalee

[@BoyDugo02]

I recommend you also collab with content creators from other card games like MTG as well. Maybe Voxxy would be nice. You'll love her energy.

[@cl0k3]

Smh recing another hearthstone ccer lmao

[@H.Collector]

Or Convertgoblue

[@ajkcool]

"I don't know what Shadow Isles is doing." That's fine, Riot doesn't either.

[@Big_Dai]

"Dedicant of the Challenge" goes pretty well on the "Turbo Jinx" Deck that wants to keep showing her an Empty Hand (as well as drawing for Nilah)

[@phoenixflamegames1]

Honestly, this is the part I look forward to the most when a new expansion drops👌🏻👍🏻

[@janbiel1221]

A curiosity regarding having no cards in deck: There's Wixoss, another card game, where you don't instantly lose the game, but instead shuffle your graveyard back and lose 1 shield (it's kind of like hp). You can't lose the game because to lose you have to be hit while you have no shields, but it can accelerate the process. Not that I've seen that in action a lot except for my self mill/graveyard deck, where I basically mill my entire deck and then "draw" whatever I want by returning a card to my hand and then suffle it back again

[@multimate]

There's no way he read proliferating darkwraith correctly at first attempt. This is unusual for the card and especially for Rarran.

[@DarkHarlequin]

With Rarran trying LoR isn't your format in danger now? 😁

[@paulomatute4114]

Personally I like more this videos with variety cards than with just thr Champions of the expansion

[@battlebots1]

14:30 if I remember correctly, Jeff Kaplan inspired (or came up with) the concept of fatigue because when he was helping the Hearthstone team playtest he said losing the game immediately when running out of cards felt bad.

[@JazzCabbagE7]

Bomb warrior ALSO disabled highlander decks with zephrys and reno. It was a spooky meta

[@leadinthepenstudios]

rarran is a proud citizen of kurtistown i see

[@user-ym7mv3ol7g]

Snnuy with his puffcaps flashbacks 😂😂😂.

[@user-ym7mv3ol7g]

And, of course, the editing is really good.

[@farcivalz]

THE COLLAB WE ARE WAITING FOR!!

[@lustdust1044]

Im so happy you are doing more colabs with Ratrace

[@kencyrus4398]

Seamonsters were my favorite archetype when I played so satisfying.

[@poloi3440]

Thank very much to whoever does the editing, its so good!

[@MalorienL]

when I played Runeterra, Maokai Nautilus was my JAM

[@devonseven7]

I for sure would have given Rarren the draw spell context for Wildfire. Great video tho. :)

[@Terratops474]

Cool video! I would have been interested to see his take on the Explorers. They're a kinda interesting cycle from a design standpoint as the universal tech card.

[@xaius4348]

1 Decimate: 6 mana deal 4 6 Wildfires: 6 mana deal 21

[@vii2903]

Still, it's 6 cards

[@tobias97erdt]

Some does not understand the concept of card efficientvy which especially in aggro is very meaningful

[@tobias97erdt]

Good luck drawing 6 wild fires outside a very dedicated deck

[@arifyi.8422]

So what? 5 cards of exodia even wins you the game. The hell? If I play 6 cards in a dedicated deck where I have to play and find it again, I want to win the game. And so does my opponent.

[@hellcopterts8895]

Each extra card cost 2 mana so 5 extra cards = 16 mana for 21 damage 16 mana = their entire Turn 8 and Turn 9, just wonder what his oponnent is doing

[@cookies23z]

wildfire with ionia makes sense, flow, draw spells only, thats smart combo

[@adrianlazaro6602]

Proliferating Dakwraith gets overwhelm with leveled up Volibear :) although Voli is a wincon on its own, now u can have massive stats cheap and give them overwhelm.

[@christopherwilliamsA]

Also if you have the 2 cost plunder spell that statbuffs three creatures in deck and draw a unit, this almost guarantees drawing it.

[@calvintuano557]

my fav. type of vid from snnuy lets go

[@nadaqueveraqui.6026]

I just had a the most annoying match with someone who used Banquet + Swindlers den + wildfire + way too many 1 cost to constanly play and kill units and to draw in the wildfire copies in turns that took a freaking eternity, I quit because I was gonna lose but also because it was so damn tedious.

[@ephraimcarter7918]

The boardgame Unmatched has you take damage whenever you can't draw a card, kinda like in hearthstone.

[@brycerichardson3687]

Skip is in a super high winrate deck. He is not bad.

[@KindredDoomBot]

I felt like Skip was better than people though initially because he gave you information and could potentially snag a win con or answer from the opponent. My thought was if chimes hit him he was instantly a problem because he would reveal two cards, take one, be a bit beefier AND is elusive. Even in a vacuum I feel like cards that give information like that are good own their own. You play him for two mana, see two cards then can play accordingly. Even if he dies as soon as you play him if you see two cards (that are at least useful) you probably have a better chance at pulling things off. Maybe you want to make a risky play but are uncertain if they have an answer. You get lucky and Skip shows you them having the answer so you do not do it and maybe win. Information is kinda op in card games.

[@azkaghafara5712]

wait proliferating with sunken landmark is kinda work no? just keep replacing your hand until this bad boy come out, just remember dont play all 3 if they not big enough

[@asmodiasmobilemoba]

Tbh bursting backpack is probably my favorite card ever

[@MPSmaruj]

Same. It's weak, sure. But if you queue into a deep deck it's a free (and very satisfying) win.

[@asmodiasmobilemoba]

@@MPSmaruj Weakness will NOT stop me from putting it in every deck I can

[@leonshirogane5541]

6:57 "i wish i could say the same" lol me too. i die in path of legend.

[@GoblinTinkerer]

Skip is super interesting, since it's an adaptation of a classic MTG creature. The reason why it's not as good in LoR far as I can tell is because for one, you don't see the entire hand like you do with those creatures in MTG. And the limited board space in LoR puts more of a premium on what creatures you keep around.

[@trooperscientists2000]

seeing hearthstone cards makes me appreciate LoR cards so much more. The art we get on each card is of such high quality, it's crazy.

[@peterpop-off]

Open every card full screen and appreciate 🤙

[@battlebots1]

LoR art is so good

[@soggycookiecrumbs6065]

been waiting for this

[@hardwyn2electricboogaloo904]

cant wait for this again with the new expansion

[@ARK-xx6my]

Waiting for this one for a while now

[@paperknigth2263]

9:45 Felsoul Jailer *Stares at Rarran* 9:50 Felsoul Jailer *Leaves in Silence*

[@crimsoneclipse0618]

Yo Rarran with the Kurtis Connor shirt

[@Evan-mt7bc]

He kinda brushed over that whole "Deep is probably one of the most famous decks in Runeterra" so I thought I'd explain it for any new Runeterra players or any Rarran viewers. So Deep uses 2 different archetypes of cards Sea Monsters which are generally horribly statted for their costs, as a general rule of thumb expect a Sea Monster to cost 1 or 2 more than it's statline should suggest, 4 mana 3/4, 5 mana 3/3, 8 mana 6/5 for some examples And Toss which is just discarding cards from your own deck, generally for decently cheap effects These 2 archetypes of cards are awful and if you generate a card from one of these archetypes when you're playing a deck outside of Deep you're probably mad as heck. However Sea Monsters have the keyword Deep which activates when you reach the bottom 15 cards of your deck (deck size in Runeterra is 40 so you need to discard 25 cards to activate this keyword) and when you do your Sea Monsters get +3/+3. The deck is pretty famous because it grabs 2 of the otherwise worst meme archetypes and has made a deck that has consistently floated between a tier 1 and a tier 2 deck. Even in it's worst incarnations Deep is still a relatively competent deck. Deep has always been, some definition of viable but has never been annoying and oppressive. Runeterra's other unique deck Lurk (Still extremely popular on it's own merits) can't say the same and has commonly broken a lot of metagames with some people asking for it to see some massive changes or rotations to it's key cards, specifically it's Champions. Deep is also just a really unique deck to play because you're discarding over half your deck every game you rarely play with the same cards on curve as you attempt to sabotage yourself and get Deep before your opponent can kill you before you're deep. 1 Game you might win with a card, the next game you discard all 3 copies of that card that won you the previous game on your first toss. It's a wildly unique, satisfying and changing deck that has never really made the game worse which is pretty impressive for a deck that has been around for almost 2 years.

[@AdvayBasavaraju]

Let's gooo, been waiting on this one

[@SuperDemo19]

12:34 where is the sample of Watery Grave's art playing out from? That looked dope just curious of the source

[@dragomaster2422]

PORO KING

[@POMMESZOCKT]

I played Maokai Nautilus every expansion since their release, it is my favorite deck. But the games that I lost after leveling Maokai are extremely rare (not counting mirrors). Because of your Nautilus champion spell you can very easy stall long enough. Thats why I dont play Watery Grave in that deck. Before leveling Maokai it is a dead card. I would rather put more control/heal in the deck to have better matchups against aggressive decks

[@Despresso-ht6ce]

Banger of a video as usual

[@purple4395]

I don't think bursting backpack is bad/meme at all. In Standard it doesn't yet have good support, but it will be incredible in Standard when we get to Shellfolk infinite creating 4k shrooms and more

[@antares3030]

I would vote for poro king to be poro president

[@kaluslp2698]

Were is our poro king deck😢?

[@sadaleks9725]

I think i have a 70% wr with deep rn and a 1 of watery grave and its won me quite a few games

[@EdGarciaDiceYT]

"The bigger the better" -Rarranch 2023

[@Lightmagician60]

19:35 is it unfair to use standard? as he wouldn't know whats rotated and what isn't. because would be viable in Eternal

[@mrhankypie7901]

My favorite part of every expansion

[@Freshly-_-Baked]

Lorcana I’m the back rarran

[@user-rk9su1jc4c]

beast videos, lovely content mr snnuy

[@DragunnitumGaming]

I love these videos! 😍

[@kareemmohammed5658]

I would like it if you brought creators from different ccgs at the same time and let them rate it together...

[@battlebots1]

Snnuy and Rarran

[@cooledcannon]

is wildfire basically better decimate/blowback

[@epser5842]

How the hell is skip bad

[@scottwillian2120]

ANOTHER BANGER VIDEO best couple btw

[@ImPhen0n]

Wuchamp

[@LivingDewCrew]

I think Janna and Sunken temple should lose their draw 1 effect at round start

[@arifyi.8422]

No

[@IAm.Messmer.Brother.Of.Malenia]

rarran 'hearthstone has a card like this' jones

[@maxmeinert3203]

isn't dedicant of the challenge pretty okay in VERY cheap jinx aggro? I mean you basically go all 1 and two costs, swarm the enemy and this card becomes a draw 4 mana draw two with no downside and the deck is pretty cheap besides jinxy anyway... or am i wrong?

[@warcriminalyes]

Yes but you want Jinx with Noxus for the discard synergy they have.

[@maxmeinert3203]

@@warcriminalyes ok, fair point .. especially since janna has it easier swarming the board anyway

[@mawillix2018]

@@maxmeinert3203 I just built a Jinx aggro deck and tried it in Diamond 3 EUW, I have won 9/12 games, the losses were exclusively against Volibear decks.

[@mawillix2018]

Nevermind, I just had a very good start with the deck, it's now at a stable 60% winrate.

[@maxmach4361]

Every time Rarran pronounce Nilah the wrong way, bli$$ard lay-off another person from HS development team.

[@CorwinWolf]

As someone who used to play Hearthstone (very casually) seeing this comparison is very nice.

[@Stilllife1999]

Can we have Rarran at LoR?

[@4-2nD]

>skip is bad say sike rn

[@Snnuy]

11:42

[@DrMessed]

The warhammer card game legions has fatigue for when your outta cards

[@POMMESZOCKT]

The stats of Proliferating Darkwraith can absolutely win you the game alone because you get so much value by trading down all of their units. Also the strongest version for this card is pairing it with piltover (in my opinion). So you could absolutely put in Scavenged Camocloaker to give it elusive (if you want to win by elusive). The deck is actually pretty good

[@bat_nick]

he's getting too good

[@cheshirecat7838]

ironically a card like skip would be broken in yugioh

[@aruanmello9320]

Theo goats

[@yabara_]

The art is so good

[@ClubbingSealCub]

Rarran actually is right about wildfire, though. Wildfire decks are not that great.

[@mawillix2018]

It's the highest winrate card in what's at least an A tier deck. (as well as being the card the deck is built around) Sure there's matchups it loses against almost every time, but there's also decks that almost cannot win against Wildfire. As the meta settles either it's playrate or it's winrate will decrease at higher ranks.

[@mostafaahmedsharaf5354]

Day 7 of asking for guess who with lor champions

[@sebastiengyger6931]

Crimson is not bad card ! Just now no deck compatible but the days a combo deck come it will be nerf or reworked

[@EnpatsuShakuganLover]

Crimson Banquet Hall is nothing like Risky Skipper so I dont even know why Rarran made that comparison. Huge fail in that analysis.

[@TheJadeFist]

Watery Grave is so much better than traditional mill cards, because it's the bottom. When it's from the top, you can potentially help your opponent by making it so they draw something next by milling above that point, there is the possibility it hurts them by getting rid of something important. When it's off the bottom, you eliminate that risk that normally accompanies traditional mill decks in a game like Magic. It can only be bad for them, by end their deck faster.

[@christopherwilliamsA]

It also specifically nukes Deep/toss decks and the shurima follow who creates champions at the bottom of your deck

[@sagittariusa2145]

You’re misunderstanding how probability works. Destroying the top cards of a deck are completely symmetrical to destroying the bottom cards unless there’s a systematic reason that the top cards are different from the bottom cards. Granted, there are a few ways the top cards could be systematically different from the bottom cards, like omen hawk, predict, and deep (bottom cards more likely to be champs). But your argument about “potentially helping your opponent” by destroying the top cards is completely wrong because of the symmetry. I know your argument feels right, but probability has a lot of unintuitive results that are nevertheless true and provable.

[@TheJadeFist]

@@sagittariusa2145 You're wrong, because they aren't drawing from the bottom of their deck.

[@TheJadeFist]

@@sagittariusa2145 I know it might feels like the same, but you're not changing what they draw, but also preventing them from fetching anything down there too incase they have that ability.

[@sagittariusa2145]

@@TheJadeFist I'm definitely not wrong, but let me illustrate with an example. Let's simplify it a lot. Imagine watery grave said "obliterate the bottom card of the enemy deck" and alt-watery grave says "obliterate the top card of the enemy deck". Let's say the enemy deck has 2 cards, one of them is atrocity and the other is pesky specter. Let's say they have a big unit on the board and would win if they draw atrocity. If you had 1 alt-watery grave in your hand, should you play it? There's a 50% chance of milling their atro, but also a 50% chance of getting rid of the specter and now they draw the atro. What if you don't play it? It's still 50/50 on if they draw the atro. What if you play normal watery grave? Still 50/50. As you can see, in this simplified example, "not playing it", "playing it", and "playing the alt version" hasn't changed anything about the probabilities. Now scale it up to 40 cards and 6 cards obliterated. Opp has no predicts, azir level 3, omen hawks, or deep. Same principle. If there's a 3/40 chance they draw a certain card next turn, winning them the game, what's the correct play? Should you play watery grave or alt watery grave or nothing? The answer is based SOLELY on whether or not you want _information_. And if you do want information, watery grave is exactly the same as alt watery grave in _every_ relevant way. Note that my _entire_ argument goes out the window if 1) opp has predict, deck-specific shuffles like bloodbait, toss, or omen hawk-style effects 2) opp has so few cards that they will eventually run out.

[@EMPCraft]

Hearthstone is the most casual unga bunga Cardgame there is. Its cool for fun, butt competetively super unrewarding

[@asbestos78]

Rarran continues to make comparisons to hearthstone cards with absolutely no understanding of why those cards are good/bad in hearthstone