HEATSPEAK #3 - Kkokkoma, Joka, Rip, PhiDX

[@Spag_TK]

More Detailed Timestamps will be added soon Thanks for watching and make sure to leave a like and comment if you enjoyed the discussion! Who do you want to see on #HEATSPEAK next?

[@jon630]

Shadow, Anakin, and Joey Fury Mulgold, Ulsan, and someone who can translate (CBM?)

[@tee_saw]

Xcc, kingreyjr, yagami, Mike hollow

[@aZ1d]

Heatsystem is equal to SF4s FADC. FADC in the first iteration of the game made the games best moves safe (shoryuken/tigeruppercut etc) and you where +3 after (+3 is a crouching jab in sf4) on block meaning as long as you had meter you could reversal safely. Heat is the same way, use it to get out of a tough situation (this i like because guessing constantly against certain characters is just horrible) but heatdash on block should be changed to be -5 to -9 or something (for the unsafe moves that is), same thing with mid heatsmashes imo.

[@Jeremyelrick]

thanks for the great discussion spag. Superthanks button? I'd like to see Yagami, Ninjakilla, CBM and ayorichie on the panel

[@FURAIRENESIS420]

Ulsan!

[@salamander4392]

We need more heatspeak episodes. Please make this a more frequent podcast.

[@harpot678]

The rarity is an important part of this podcast. Increasing the frequency would negatively impact the show

[@lucky-13gof47]

​@@harpot678Agreed. Some things need a wider view and to be explored instead of complain, change, complain, change.

[@Velindian]

@@harpot678 I think with the amount of high level players passionate about the game you could easily get more Heatspeak episodes without degrading the quality. it wouldn't work as a weekly podcast, but once a month seems very possible.

[@Quince477]

Loved this podcast Spag. I think that ranked should stay FT2, BUT, after the FT2, there should be an option that says "Deathmatch" or something similar making it to wear you and the opponent can play for however long you want, with no penalty for leaving after the first game of the deathmatch. I also agree with Phi with the idea of buffing movement a bit more, but at the same time some moves and characters 100% need to be toned down as well. Also, T7 was really hype, but I don't miss that game much do to all of the counterhits into 50+% dmg, into wall, into guess. I really do enjoy T8's approach to ch's where you're not potentially dying all the time to most of them. T7 was definitely hype to watch though, imo.

[@SicParvisMagna6]

The feng downplay is crazyyyy lmao. Love how joka says he doesnt like when characters are too well rounded and dont have an obvious weakness. Bro literally has zero weaknesses and can do everything in the game….

[@Fariorn]

lol he's a Feng Main. He never said that Feng has many weaknesses. Joka would still play Feng, if Feng would be a more balanced character with weaknesses. But yeah the Feng downplay is real xDD

[@khaelz]

To be fair with Joka, he did say back kenpo should be nerfed.

[@MiguelAldanotes]

Right?!😂 felt like he had a lot to say but said nothing at the same time

[@eabc1845]

Bro can we have players like Book or AK from SEA region to get their take as well. They've been consistently top tier for years, it would be great to hear their PoV

[@Mster-O]

This!

[@ChristopherWaddelow]

For real

[@roninhubbard9059]

Podcast rip is slowly turning into podcast aris

[@Jeffrey-q8g]

The downplay of Feng is WOW!!!

[@WayOfThePhoenix1985]

And you thought Jin and Kazuya downplayers are bad? Even Feng has his own downplayers as well! 😅

[@101mrcrazyman]

Feng mains eat glue and think they are skilled. Character doesnt have one bad move

[@WayOfThePhoenix1985]

@@101mrcrazyman Exactly what I was thinking about as well! ✌️😁

[@hearme1484]

@@WayOfThePhoenix1985well Joka and Koma are Feng mains so… yea

[@tahirdawah245]

I think u never would been able to punish shoulder as it is -19 on block lol 😂 ​@@101mrcrazyman

[@mr.madhatter5538]

Saw this on my recommended. You boys better be doing this on a regular basis

[@OverlordDurash]

1:10:09 Bro the "NO." Had me dying lmao.

[@funkrates4778]

lol There we go ... common theme here: @1:10 to 1:15 Joka and Kokkoma say that every character is a 50/50 busted fighting machine and it sucks. Then when asked about Feng, they say, well everyone but Feng. I mean is that what's going on here? Pro players complaining while downplaying and making excuses for their own characters? It comes off as so disingenuous. Really, what it sounds like is that they want their characters to have an advantage over every other character, and if that doesn't happen, then the game sucks. That's how it comes across.

[@Jeremyelrick]

the downplay is real but its at least part done in fun and I dont feel it detracts from the other points they make around both character and systemic changes needed imho

[@funkrates4778]

@ Yeah. And Bandai has said they are going to make changes beginning of next year. My issue is the amount of negativity being thrown at T8, and then it seems that the motive is in large part drive by wanting their mains to get buffs so that they can compete better. Even though they were joking to a degree, they really weren’t. I get it. It’s like a job, but still. The negativity is too much, especially when drive by selfish reasons.

[@Jeremyelrick]

I get your point but don’t really think that competitive edge is why people are raising the need for chang both at a character and systemic level. I wouldn’t agree that this conversation is overtly negative and while there are some elements of downplaying and character specific sh*talking the points and concerns are valid and worth discussing. Sure Bamco have said updates are coming but I think the real concern is we don’t know the direction of travel. Ultimately I think the Tekken Team should be responding to some of these concerns ahead of season 2.

[@funkrates4778]

@ I can see that. I agree with what you said. And I liked their ideas on how to make it better-especially Rip’s ice system lol

[@chucklos391]

Don’t matter. The Heat system is not going anywhere and people are just gonna have to adjust. Someone has to win a tournament. It challenges the legacy players and I like it. I love the game. Sick of the constant crying.

[@JaCKso00onBOY]

What a great podcast. Keep it man! Thanks Spag and guests for your efforts and passion for the game.

[@Fariorn]

Thanks Spag for this podcast! We need more Tekken podcasts

[@tee_saw]

Tracking on strings need nerfing.

[@fernandoalanisb.6703]

Great vid/podcast! loved it!

[@funkrates4778]

I agree: Power crush heat engagers are garbage. They should go. Super cheap.

[@MugiwaraKy0]

it's tekken 7 then.. 😂

[@funkrates4778]

@@MugiwaraKy0How so? Im not saying to remove heat or heat engages. I’m saying get rid of combining a heat engager WITH power crush because it is unfair, especially when only some characters have that ability. Even if all characters had that, I still wouldn’t like it.

[@kayanims]

Honestly, every character needs to be able to use the heat mechanics at a similar level. They should give them unique mechanics while in heat that enhances their playstyle. However, i do not think that heat smashes and heat engagers should be nerfed. That would slow down the game too much.

[@WeMissDimebag]

It’s really funny because I feel like Joka and Kkokkoma have their perception colored a lot by being competitors. They talk kinda hyperbolic about the problems in the game. And they’re not wrong about what the problems are, I think they just speak too sweepingly. It’s understandable tho, it’s their life and they’re very passionate about it. I don’t think heat in general is the main problem, though things like +17 heat engagers and +10 heat smashes are too good. I still think the bigger issue is character imbalance. There are too many buttons that are too hard to deal with. Thought Phi did a really good thing of trying to stay nuanced and be precise with his criticisms. Made a lot of sense to me. Great conversation from everybody overall. Good shit Spag. I know it has to be hard putting these together with the guests you bring in, but we need more stuff like this. Keep cooking.

[@АскарШуканов]

You can make heat work, but straight up removing it is an easier solution and just as effective if not more. Chip damage should never be in tekken

[@itsahmedkhan]

I like Tekken 8 more than T7. But the only thing I hate is forced FT2. I understand the ft2 argument for ranked matches. But for casual/qucik games, it makes no sense. They should allow the death match option for casual/quck games.

[@Dyleniz]

Facts the best memories I have are being able to play long sets and actually learn and have multiple levels of adjustment with a player of similar skill I randomly found in rank like I actually learned strings and punishment in the first to 10 death match I had with a miguel

[@jeankazamer9166]

Almost every player i discussed with said the exact same thing. minimum in quick matches should be ft3. but why not even let players play as much as they wish ?? makes very little sense as it is now. Even ranked should be FT3

[@chucklos391]

I didn’t like it at first, but I love it now. Best out of 3 is awesome. Want long sessions? Friend people and create sessions.

[@SporksGalore]

​@@chucklos391 I do friend people and I have almost never had any luck, especially with the in-game system. Steam works better sometimes

[@Tike-tike1]

very good episode! Liked it alot, great discussions.

[@TheBlunkBeanie]

Kkokkoma: "every character is 50/50." feng gets mentioned: Kkokkoma: "He is not 50/50"

[@TheMidian46]

there is a reason he is bottom 5

[@101mrcrazyman]

​@@TheMidian46huh? i repeat HUH?!

[@Soulblight]

@@TheMidian46 LOL

[@АскарШуканов]

he's kinda right if by 50/50 he means rewarding strong 50/50s, Feng has very strong pokes, he does have strong 50/50 at the wall with ss4

[@tibz7634]

He's right tho, you say the same as the 20 people above you. You got a mind of your own or you just here to farm upvotes?

[@1MTW]

An option to select ft2, ft3, or ft5 for rank and quick matches would be the best quality of life update

[@d.e.g.e.3061]

I think the issue with T8 is how safe aggression is. A way to balance heat engagers (not power crush ones) could be to make unsafe ones full launchers, the safe ones could trigger a tornado, and the ones that are plus on block shouldn't launch at all.

[@tanveerkhan804]

Meanwhile Harada is gone like Heihechi. No more Twitter reply. No more public talks. He is pressurized with money 💰.

[@leafygreensmusic]

I be side stepping and side walking and getting clipped and I keep running phidx voice in my head

[@tee_saw]

Bring back team tournaments. So many countries with strong tekken players. Enough to have an international team tournament like gamers8

[@Lay_rue442]

1:18:46 Joka rank shaming to avoid the Feng downplay allegations 😂😂😂

[@Nocto3827]

Dragunov needs a low heat engager and a safe mid powercrush homing +on block heat engager

[@MysticPurge]

the Feng downplaying is out of control

[@GuiltyBystander8]

no one said he is weak, he just cant force canned mixups like other characters

[@faranmazhar8502]

Spag you need to do more of this stuff. Heatspeak twice a month would be good

[@theatrociousgod2929]

great spread of guests

[@TomDaBomb22]

This was fun!

[@GaspoweR]

Im not sure if it gets mentioned but people didn’t point out that a player like Knee didn’t even qualify and he’s been going on a tear as of late and could probably be one player that could make it out of the LCQ with how well hes been playing. I get the skepticism because of how its currently structured with folks who qualified being eliminated in the round robin are able to participate in the LCQ but what if they don’t even make it out at all because we got hungrier competitors just waiting in there who didn’t qualify but are more than capable to be in the top 16 like Knee, Yagami, Doujin, Jeondding, Keisuke, etc. and just take them out regardless? That kind of matchup drama makes it more exciting for me in my mind.

[@baronwest]

This game would be so different if heat dash and heat burst depleted grey health instead of recovering it.

[@jessefoti9865]

Heat smash should not continue the animation on whiff (stupid to chase people down). Heat burst should not do that stupid close up animation that freezes the game it just slows down the pace and I’m sick of seeing it. Heat burst should not be + on block. Heat dash should not push you on block? He gets to move my position 5 positions away cos I blocked his attack. Rage art hit box is way too huge. Rage art is not punishable enough. Why is asukas safe?. Revert the way power crushes used to work you could get 2-3 jabs and still duck some high power crushes. Actual risk when using a defensive move. Characters should not gain health off moves why the fuck does yoshi and heihachi get to gain life? Chip damage should be lower maybe 20%. Backdash needs to be slightly better. Tracking needs to be slightly reduced across the board. Remove power crushes heat engagers. Heat engagers also gain ghost tracking and range it’s ridiculous

[@Blasarius0]

I agree on everything; i would add to make heat engagers more punishable since they are mostly safe on block. I think health regain is not bad, could be made universal but knowing the incompetence of these people, they better off remove it. That damn burst with the freezing is definitely the one i hate the most; just make it a seamless move, so it can actually have counterplay instead of making it come out instantly after i see steve's ugly ass face. Also heat smash should be -9 on block across the board.

[@aFutureSelf]

Solid list

[@symonheiloguu]

I'd also add to remove the plus from heat smash on block, and make it so we can punish moves after heat dash, it's way too much reward even after blocking all this nonsense.

[@101mrcrazyman]

usually disagree with tekken takes but this one i approve 🤘

[@filililililililililililipo4493]

forced stance 50/50s after blocking heat smash is the n1 thing i want gone, being forced to guess after blocking their 1 button million range 50dmg move feels so miserable

[@Merlin_vf]

Something i really wish people would talk about is lows flipping over on the ground now. Its made getting up such a headache.

[@ChristopherWaddelow]

Oh yeah, like Kaz db4?

[@soknheith3259]

Bro got a top 5 and top 10 in the world on-air and not even flexing about it😂Amazing podcast, guys!

[@Jeffrey-q8g]

Feng 3,3 BT mix up.... is very strong

[@thatsa1041]

Not a mix, its always a low

[@Jeffrey-q8g]

@@thatsa1041 no we can cancel the low into BT to Power cruch, BT elbow, & BT sweep launch

[@thatsa1041]

@@Jeffrey-q8g its fuzzyable so its not a mix. Just fuzzy duck and react to feint and block

[@WaterKirby__64]

Super awesome podcast! 🤠👍🏼

[@theatrociousgod2929]

was a great watch

[@sweetshoez]

Just give us back the old back dash, offense and rush down will still be strong with all these giant heat engagers

[@niwona_]

Personally I think people who qualified should always have LCQ opportunities. Make the LCQ itself exciting, players will still have the chance to upset there. You can also treat them as late entrants to a bracket in how some tournaments simply stack all the late entrants into the same part of the bracket, negating the possibility of having them be the entire top 8 or whatever. To me, there should be a lot drawing earlier, to allow for discussion and gameplan earlier on. It'll get people talking about matchups way earlier and bring excitement to the Finals. Allow the top global leaderboard players to choose their groups, but have the regional winners automatically sorted already. In the group stage, make it Swiss style instead of Round Robin with less groups or a full bracket that just resets lives by days. Agree on backdash, think an improvement to proximity backdash is very possible and could help alleviate a ton of issues without allowing people to untether themselves too often from a closer ranged brawl. Giving a weakness to every situation, not allowing for forced situations, would really help interactivity. I think an idea around Heat that the advantage is simply the new abilities and chip, but the situations themselves should not improve for them. Definitely agree that every character should have more pronounced weaknesses without clear ways to counteract them to really expand creativity. More ways to win is always better. I love the white life war and how it can expand the life bar, but I think they just need to tweak when and how it's effective. It just needs to be approached more like Vampire Savior than true chip. Having it be in effect for unactionable states is really good, but right now it's had too much of a focus around an anti-blocking tool. The white life deleting normal moves should also have some sort of Guts system where they are less effective at the end of the life bar, or take away less based on the situation they're done. Let's get the online infrastructure worked on! Reset rank incentive to make it a longer journey to the top instead of such a quick climb, give opportunities for endless rematch, make the invite system far easier in private lobbies, etc. Great pod!

[@tee_saw]

I understand ur podcast focus more on competitive play and balance but I'd like to see more talks about other apsects of tekken like the different scenes, how tekken scene compares to other fgs, state of tekken in different regions, etc.

[@waalker1206]

I can imagine a challenge with that could be that everyone here is so much more accustomed to the Tekken and can’t faithfully comment (or contrast) other FGC games and regions But I agree it would be nice to see these talking points 😊

[@Ashesfall83]

I really don't like stuff like Kumas Heat Smash 13f, mid, kinda homing, good range, + on block and highcrush (

[@finnTekken]

Joka is right, they basically removed the tracking on b+4 into hitman , for lee. It used to track basically as much as homing if you went into hitman.

[@khaelz]

"no gae" kokkoma kissing double at the end lmao

[@tiger-rgn]

you have interesting people on this stream bro keep it up

[@maalrules]

Pls make this permanent with different guests, Spag you’re the goat man.

[@alexanderfazli6600]

Guest Character Leon S Kennedy

[@emilioulloa6682]

feng down play lol and phidx defender of casual and semi competitive love his perspective .

[@rocketman093]

Great discussion!

[@Dyleniz]

Regarding the numbers of players in SF vs Tekken its missing the fact that Street Fighter is so mainstream in japan where a lot of the player base is

[@globmonkey200716102]

SF is mainstream in general. The one fighting game franchise everyone knows basically no matter where you go.

[@Dyleniz]

@globmonkey200716102 SF is mainstream but its a different level in Japan where you can see SF ads everywhere even fuckin people in there 70-80s know about sf6 in japan

[@firekungfuhero1150]

The problem with the game is that when you are at any negative frame disadvantage from -1 to -9, the recovery window to be able to sidestep is jank

[@Tuuubesh0w]

1:24:36 lol I've always loved watching Joka play but "they gotta change everything" is just ridiculous

[@tryingtochangemyways5074]

So basically you want Tekken 8 to turn back into Turtle 7

[@carlostapia8840]

Related the topic of the cheap damage, I would have to know your opinion and the rest. I can understand the logic behind the idea of doing cheap damage when the move is slow or is a charge move, I dont like this kind of things so much but I understand It. The problem for me comes with others situations where cheap damage is done and the amount of cheap damage: - why in normal combos almost all the damage is cheap damage? For me It something confused and It provokes situations where you have almost 40% recovered health. - In Heat, what is the logic of the strings which are fast and Heat engagers make cheap damage? Example: 111 of lars , this cases are super bizarre and breaks the logic of the Game for me, because in Heat this "defensive tools" converts in ofensiva tools where the defender cant do anything. - the power crushes and Heat engagers, has this issue imo too. But you mentioned in the podcast. But has this idea too where a defensive tools id at the same time an ofensive and there is no options for the defender.

[@funakiexpressV2]

FT5 on ranked would be so much better, because its not like you have to commit to all rounds, allows more games overall imo

[@funakiexpressV2]

Or at least FT3, 2 isn't enough

[@chucklos391]

The way I see a good portion of the opponents, most barely can handle best of 3. Pansies. Plug or run after a win.

[@sayo5885]

I think tournament standart FT2 is fine for ranked matches. However we should be able to infinitely match in quick matches.

[@DinkyP]

Lmaoooo leave the Arslan impression out of this! 😂

[@samiambl917]

one cool thing about recoverable health I think is that it makes rounds longer and allows for comebacks in a way that doesn't feel too undeserved. For example, many characters have really high combo damage, so when you get launched and lose 50 percent of your health, a lot of it is chip damage. So you're given a chance to regain that health by fighting back and making better decisions in the remainder of the round. I completely agree that chip is very over-tuned, especially with certain characters and must be toned down. And especially with plus on block moves, because it creates a snowball effect where you need to respect your opponent, but you're getting chipped for blocking even though you're minus on block and this goes on for multiple consecutive interactions, often leading to the "one final poke" situation as mentioned in the podcast. I think with a more toned down and carefully thought out chip damage system where each character is taken a look at, I think chip damage can make for some exciting rounds of tekken.

[@newphonewhodis7152]

I lowkey think the same. I feel the idea of fighting for life kinda neat.

[@el_vladarou6573]

I like the idea i just don't really think it changes much to the gameplay. You are still gonna die from 1 Combo into heat at the wall 50/50 for the round. Then if you block you put the other person in the same position

[@tiger-rgn]

chip damage is good you cant just block for ever and not have repercussions, imagine a fighter blocking shots forever and not have injuries, have you ever sparred? blocking shots actualy hurts the opponent, a better fighter dodges to counterhit and makes his opponent whiff, and gets rewarded for this thats called movement and sidesteps, you should get rewarded for that since its actualy more technicai, instead of just standing there blocking everything like a turtle, in virtua fighter if you backdash you get counterhit status, in street fighter chip damage always was a thing, tekken FINALY got it right this time and forces you to use more difficult defense by way of movement yet you still got people whinning lmao

[@symonheiloguu]

Not really, rounds last way quicker now, how many times have you been to a match that the time ended before you killed your opponent? The chip damage and the super moves will still kill you way faster, in the end you have less chance of a comeback compared to Tekken 7

[@fighting1fefnir]

I don't think you're wrong, but I also think that the problems feed into each other. Because you can recover a lot of the damage a combo does to you, combo damage overall had to increase. Without chip damage being in the game, characters don't need to do 90+ on any launch to make their damage stick. The other aspect is on block, where very often you land a combo, your opponent pops heat to steal momentum, and then they start putting you into that plus frames chip situation and heal half their life back while you lose 50 HP for not getting hit. Plus, and maybe this is just me, I think pixel and a dream comebacks are way more interesting than healing. I think if every combo did like 10-20 less damage and the amount of chip damage every move in the game dealt was half to a third of what it is currently, T8 would feel a lot better to play.

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

Feng has the best 50/50 in heat....either you get launched from a fast snake edge or eat mid heat dash launcher

[@thatsa1041]

The mid isnt a launcher anymore old man, that was months ago

[@BruceWayne-hf7zw]

No

[@АскарШуканов]

snake edge is not a mix

[@spacebarvideoproductions]

It sounds like the simplest way to fix the game would be to leave all offense the way it currently is, but buff back dash and side step. That way, players can play heavy offense or heavy defense. That would open up player individuality while also keeping the game “easy” for noobs who just wanna hit fun buttons.

[@tryingtochangemyways5074]

Sidestep is great already but a slight buff is fine..I have zero problem stepping moves in this game..And no do not bring back kbc speed..I am going to punch a hole in the wall if they..For the love God stop trying to turn Tekken 8 back into Turtle 7

[@vinjingainer]

Fighting GM in a heatspeak episode would go crazy 🔥

[@fmsalle2483]

Guys, i might be mistaken, but I think Joka doesn't like Yoshi

[@almost_over1004]

There is too much to be fixed not balance : 1- if u do heat engage u cant use rage art cuz many is spaming this shit 2 - remove the power crush that makes u active the heat 3 - remove the stances after u use the heat move 4- there are moves or strings which you can punish but the opponent press down 2 after the string or the move or any low and they continue mashing 5- too many players are playing with macros we have to stop this shit 6- there is somthing wrong with traking they should fix it like if i do a heat move and they r behind me i still can hit them 7- make the heat time shorter so we can play tekken instead of 50/50 and mashing shit 8- some of ok system in the game also 50/50 and if u dont know how to get up u r doomed specially near the wall Thank u for reading hope this reach out for all tekken players

[@geoffparsons1952]

Steve should have at least 5 clinches in heat with a 1+2 break option!

[@geoffparsons1952]

RPS baby! (Except my rock beats your rock and your scissors)

[@XboxConnasewer]

Buff movement, nerf chip and top tiers!

[@finnTekken]

Spag. Is someone allowed to react to this or use this footage? It only has 17 k views…. This needs to be watched by 100k at least.

[@Omentoki]

I feel like it’s just a natural human reaction to start downplaying your main in Tekken 8.

[@blackjackjonny]

2:31:27 - Rip is the best lmao

[@Hypercube1729]

Ok, I've been playing Tekken since Tekken 6. And let me say Tekken 8 is the most fun I've had with Tekken ever. Yeah, it has it's issues, but I love the game. I just love mashing out my attacks and do my flowchart, and it's up to the opponent to know the defense, which they rarely do at my level. All the 50/50s and heat and powercrush and rageart makes it basically a casino, but that ok at my blue-rank level. It's just a stupid game after all. Remember, _anyone worse than me is a total scrub, and anyone better than me has no life and is being carried by their character._

[@Djfmi]

Modern day tekken

[@GeraldsMedia-gk1rn]

tight

[@YellowFellow86]

Nice podcast 👍 I hope Bamco is listening to the community, but given there track record they seem stuck on stupid. I hope that they nerf the top ten and buff the bottom ten. For f's sake deal with cheating. The current state of ranked dissuades casuals, and you need to retain casual engagement or this game will perish. Focus more on gameplay over greed. Where are other modes like team battle, treasure mode, survival, tournament mode, and time attack? I want this series to succeed but how corporate this game seems I am concerned they will double down on dumb. I can see Bamco charging more for stages and doing nothing about cheaters. Then just giving everyone an install because thats what they potentially where working on while largely ignoring game quality control and balance issues. In the end I hope to be proven wrong and hope this game improves. Great discussion 👏

[@Auran-v4u]

Ft2 for ranked is fine because it's the tournament format(although I'd like to see tournaments go Ft3) but Ft2 in 'Quick Match' makes no sense.

[@chucklos391]

I agree.

[@Cogbyrn]

Really excellent episode. I also think the pros feel hyperbolic, like if it was so 50/50, why are all the same usual suspects always in the top 8, etc. The balance discussion is a tale as old as time though, when a class/hero/champion/character does everything well and has no weaknesses. I'll be looking forward to seeing balance develop over time.

[@MrStevemishima]

Moves that aren’t launchers should not become launchers when heat is active

[@101mrcrazyman]

why not?

[@MrStevemishima]

@ I feel that it takes the continuity of what Tekken is and has been since the beginning. It makes the 50/50 game much more difficult to deal with at a competitive level

[@REPHLEX94]

Right? Just a follow up is enough

[@lightofknowledge713]

Spag we should also talk about the visa issues of pakistan players like Non of the player got visa for twt lcq

[@israelcrawford8734]

I like how phidx talks in fighting game terms 'side step,whiff' lol

[@GamerNemy]

W!

[@thenameisturbo]

We need to talk about online toxicity

[@statpadford]

Kuma would be unplayable without the electric. There’s already counterplay. You can block or sidestep. I get sidestepped pretty consistently and that’s not even a downplay. Kuma literally has no plus frame moves except that.

[@АскарШуканов]

his design is bad, medicore character that turns into finall boss in heat, you can't step because heat smash will kill you for that, rather nerf of change heat and buff his other tools

[@AndySama-t5r]

Timestamps for different topics of discussion please 🥺

[@tanveerkhan804]

We need Bob. That's it..........

[@ahmadezat7399]

I like how joka says everyone downplay, and then downplays Feng 🤣.

[@El-Burrito]

Love these podcasts, but it's so many people it's gotta be hard to get a handle on. Like one or two guests has gotta be a lot more manageable!

[@jonathanshihadeh]

Please god up the first to 3

[@enki5446]

My dumbass miss read the title has "HATESPEAK" 💀

[@1MTW]

Guest character need to be bloody roar or soul caliber

[@101mrcrazyman]

agree they need to add yoshimitsu from SC

[@daveL-ff3sp]

​@@101mrcrazymanthey already gave t8 yoshi a bunch of stuff from his SC version

[@TekkenFan-e]

no one highlights the real issue in tekken 8, most of the rounds are finished in 20 to 30 secs, the damage scaling is too high for aggressive gameplay. I think all moves damage need to be toned down or have bigger health bars

[@АскарШуканов]

scailing is too low you mean, but yeah i agree.

[@TekkenFan-e]

@@АскарШуканов its confusing, i mean health bar should be bigger so that round finishes in 60 secs at least

[@aqueelkadri8371]

Thank god they had phidx and rip on this episode. They brought a lot of comstructive criticism to the conversation that the devs can actually listen to and improve the game. On the other hand, Kkokkoma and JoKa were just like, here's the topic, it sucks, get rid of all of it. Thats not constructive at all. Im glad that Spag kept them in check by asking, "give me examples". I liked hearing Kkokkoma's perspective on the tournament circuit, lack of asian tournaments, the travelling and everything.

[@ko-yoshi]

100% agree. It’s easy to complain and hard to critique. Yeah they brought something to the table but especially appreciate developed thoughts on where to go from here

[@АскарШуканов]

because those two want to stay in good graces of Namco lol. Every criticism has to be mild and sugarcoated with some positive look on it

[@symonheiloguu]

Phidx may not like when people say that, but really feels like he wants to be good with Bandai, man. Specially after he was on a Bandai stand wearing a Chipotle shirt to promote the game, like, it's very difficult to believe in anything he says

[@АскарШуканов]

making content for tekken is his main income, obviously its that

[@MiguelAldanotes]

Idk. This feels like a bit of a stretch. Phidx isnt like in cahoots with Bandai and secretly swiming in $ for defending T8. Hes critical when he feels like it and puts thing in perspective in other occasions w/o getting heated. This isnt US politics or something 😅

[@JeesusQT]

Great stuff, if this was on spotify so it was easier to listen to at work it would be golden

[@AndySama-t5r]

Seems like Pakistan is highly overlooked by Bandai Namco even though Pakistan is one of the best Tekken regions if not the best. South Korea, Japan, EU, NA all get a Challenger or a Master event even though their players face no VISA issues but the same isn't true for Pakistani players and yet Pakistan gets no Challenger event.

[@FhargaZ]

2:37:14 😂

[@meikeltolksdorf1995]

It's so cool that we got to hear what kkokkoma thinks about Tekken 8, since we rarely hear him speak in English, so that was great! Super cool podcast, overall I thoroughly enjoyed it.

[@vidyastuff]

17:28

[@abrahamanthony976]

LOL Joka still having PTSD from RBGL after that yoshi match

[@MYB2424]

Just make lowes weaker in general

[@101mrcrazyman]

phidx definitely has a lili body pillow

[@matrxzeno4761]

Bro he's married that would be some crazy business if he did

[@Zubair01617]

Bandai should consider having Master events in countries where Pakistani players don't face any VISA issues. Even Arslan got gis VISA rejected in some regions and that's insane considering he is one of the best players in the world. Or they can consider giving Pakistan a Challenger event atleast so that local Pakistani talents can also get a chance to compete against top international players.

[@MoeMunnie023]

you can tell phidx wants to get in good with namco. im not mad at it but it does affect his opinions on t8

[@Guest-yf6mo]

I would make heat just rarer by making the heat meter a ressource that carries over between rounds. Maybe give everyone half a meter per round. While at that, also make rage art consume 100% of the heat meter. I think this would add some interesting ressource mangement, and heat activation would become something really climactic to the whole set and nothing we have to deal with every round.