Heaven's Feel 3 is Amazing, But...

[@NeNeiSan]

If anyone is interested or has any questions, I just made a video about many questions and cut content in the film. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWHZe6dojNR9mJI

[@thuranz2773]

I thought Shirou's fight with Kirei was pretty fun. It's also really entertaining to think of it as a: Buff dodgy priest dying of heart failure and a buff teenager dying of sword cancer punching each other to death in a cave while arguing about abortion.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

Thats what it is but the depiction is different in vn

[@nadhifbhagawantahadiprayit975]

That's the thing, in the VN it's not Shirou vs Kirei punching each other to death. It's Shirou trying to survive getting beaten to death while Kirei beats himself to death. I was ready to see the sheer desperation of Shirou barely clinging on while Kirei destroys his own skin and bone just punching the body of swords.

[@emmanuelalaura5806]

Hope ufotable will remake the Fate route next. Saber deserves a happy ending.

[@VVayVVard]

I wish it was adapted by an actually decent studio/team. Like the guys who worked on HxH 2011. Fate/Stay Night deserves at least one high quality adaptation, instead of the usual rushed / simplified Ufotable product.

[@wakaranai3188]

@@VVayVVard Ufotable is one of the best anime studios ever,wdym? And Fate have best animations.

[@rinny5500]

@@VVayVVard ufotable didn't adapt everything yes but you're not telling me that ufotable is doing a bad job. Ufotable has done one heck of a job.

[@VVayVVard]

@@wakaranai3188 Ufotable's animation quality is fine, but the way they animate characters is unnatural. The battles also feel unrealistic compared to other "superpower" anime (in this respect HxH 2011 fares better, as does e.g. Attack on Titan and Re:Zero). "Unlimited Budget Works" is a meme. Their animation quality is above average, but far from top class.

[@wakaranai3188]

@@VVayVVard Their animations are taking second or first place as best animations from anime lol what you talking about,also,they do a good job,I know,this movie have some mistakes but when we already talk about UBW and also Zero,these are best animations that exists for anime.

[@mrfalzar9]

I want to tell one thing: *SHINJI BEING KILLED WAS PERFECT*

[@NeNeiSan]

He finally got what was coming to him

[@tvddelena279]

I think it was deserved but I couldn’t help but feel bad for him

[@itzdrained5867]

@@tvddelena279 WHAT

[@itzdrained5867]

I ABSOLUTELY HATE SHINJI

[@itzdrained5867]

I FEEL NO SYMPATHY

[@amanhansraj5116]

Heaven's feel is amazing, but... It's also great.

[@sakuraxhitam]

😆😆

[@Ryuseishun]

The real and only needed answer here.

[@OsirisMusic]

Shirou vs kirei was literally Pro-Choice vs Pro-Life 🤣

[@NeNeiSan]

Haha, That's one way to put it!

[@Sable5488]

Ok but... Fate route when? Saber deserves it after being shafted in HF and Zero, as well as taking the back seat in UBW.

[@mohamedelhediissa289]

I don't think they will do it And if they do it's probably going to be 1 2 hours long movie or a collection of OVAs Because most of the content was already adapted in ubw and hf so no need to repeat it into another anime The only thing they have to focus on are the battles (maybe even give us cu vs gil)

[@Sable5488]

@@mohamedelhediissa289 hey I'll take anything as long as Saber is the focus. More attention on waifu

[@naxionkryelight951]

What about a series that Saber is the main character adapt the Garden of Avalon scenes then adapt fate route on her own perspective rather focus on shirou.

[@Sable5488]

@@naxionkryelight951 now that would be worthwhile. Also Merlin could cameo in Avalon. He live there after all... well, trapped in a tower. Bedivere found him tho so idk

[@SM-ff9yl]

@@mohamedelhediissa289 they can still do it, Nasu said if Fate route was to get remade it will be significantly different from the VN

[@Fyrestar]

This movie shows off perfectly how reading the VN first can change your opinion on something. A lot of people were disappointed with some of the scenes simply because they cut stuff from the VN, but for an anime only, I found this to be one of my favourite films of all time. I mean it's probably because I don't fully know what I'm missing, but at the same time, just because the VN has some really good stuff that was cut, they still did a fantastic enough job given what little time they had to fit as much in as possible.

[@rarewaifu]

More like a vocal minority were disappointed because it wasn’t a 1:1 adaptation “where is my monologues” They did a great job of fitting stuff in and making it a phenomenal movie experience, the good far outweigh the bad in my book and i was satisfied

[@albinololi5401]

@@rarewaifu ^^^

[@DaBroSquad]

If you didnt read the VN your opinion is worthless. Secondary

[@infinitezion2029]

@@rarewaifu not having monologs isn't the reason, the main reason people spoke out was because certain scenes were changed or switched to incorporate Sakura because a director is very biased when it comes to Sakura and likes to add scenes to help make her look better or seem more relevant in scenes that don't involve her. Many scenes that helped flesh out some of the other characters better in the route were completely changed to give Sakura more time, and these scenes are important since HF isn't just love story between Shirou and Sakura and it has much more to tell than what's going on with the 2 of them. Nobody expects an adaption of Heavens feel to cover everything since there's so much and the established formula for story telling is very different in HF compared to the other routes since its more monologs which would catch both anime only and VN readers off guard to see in a movie and would just come off as unnecessary with such a short watch time. Its annoying tho to see a scene that should have involved Illya and Shirou bonding like siblings be changed into Sakura and Shirou since that would be the first and last time you see them together becoming close as siblings in the canon movies/anime. Still a good movie tho

[@X_Numb]

Haven't watched the 3rd movie, but as a VN reader the first two movies were a great adaptation. The most impactful scenes were done amazingly well, some fights were extended to keep the movie from being dull and playing into Ufotable's strength and some of the scenes that were added were pretty original and interesting (Sakura dreaming in particular was amazing). My only issue is how Ilya was kinda forgotten since she is important for the ending.

[@coldbacon4869]

Unfortunately there is SOOOOO Much extra VN lore and stuff. It’d be 20 hour trilogy trying to get it all lmao.

[@NeNeiSan]

That's one problem when adapting a VN, especially one as in-depth as Fate.

[@extremelyvividcardgames7890]

I'd be ok with 20 hours worth of Fate/Stay Night movies :^)

[@thebakalord]

I wish they did two seasons like with UBW, there’d be a lot of the content covered

[@coldbacon4869]

@@thebakalord I don’t think this VN can translate into the the show you’re hoping for. While they’d be able to cover more content, mostly it’d just be a fuck ton of monologue that doesn’t really work for an anime. Shiros inner monologues would slow the show down almost to a halt

[@thebakalord]

@@coldbacon4869 true i know, there’s always something that the animation adaptation that cannot be done from the original source material.

[@katelynpringle5506]

As someone who had no idea how this route in the VN ended, I spent a lot of this movie being VERY CONFUSED. But it was all worth it to watch someone finally kill Shinji.

[@NeNeiSan]

I've seen a lot of people say that was the highlight of this route.

[@angelMAZ93]

Bro where can I see the movie ?

[@katelynpringle5506]

@@angelMAZ93 sorry bud i saw it in theaters. limited release.

[@rusheru7787]

Two hours of research and watching VN in youtube should do the job for fillings gaps.

[@AICW]

Shinji's death is even better in the Fate route: Illya has Berserker break him in half (literally) just for her own amusement.

[@PurpleRupees]

Coming back to this after watching the movies myself. I feel they are overall great as a supplement to the Visual Novel, but not a substitute. The one area I do think HF3 completely failed was portraying Shirou's state of mind during the endgame events the film covered. It captured the pain he felt physically, but not mentally at all. The Visual Novel makes it very clear he is struggling to even remember the names of people closest to him, he's completely broken. I would have appreciated if ufotable adapted the scene with spacing out being unable to recall events just hours before. As if he is cutting in and out of reality. Otherwise it's the best of the films imo.

[@NeNeiSan]

My thoughts exactly. There is a lot more that could have been done, but trying to cram everything in within the allotted runtime could lead to other downsides. Though if there were extra time, it would have been great to see what could be done. My personal favorite is the second film, as I loved the way the psychological horror and mystery were directed.

[@Ikariprince]

As someone who went with an anime-only friend (they’ve only seen UBW and Fate Zero) I think the trilogy is fully understandable on its own, they had very few questions and really enjoyed the experience and I think that most new fans will only have questions about the garden of sinners cameo

[@coyennn5030]

shinji gets killed, the fans watching: YAAAYYYYYY

[@nouvaldantesosa2499]

kirei is definitely the main highlight of this show

[@NeNeiSan]

He is one of my top 5 characters. He is both interesting and has great moments.

[@blurryface2o1]

@@NeNeiSan The only thing I didn't understand was his reason at all to fight Shirou in the last fight

[@NeNeiSan]

@@blurryface2o1 Kotomine in the end wanted Angra Mainyu to be born. Since Angra is supposed to be similar in nature to him. He was doing this to give purpose to his life, to see if a being that is entirely evil can have a sense of morality, or good within them.

[@blurryface2o1]

@@NeNeiSan oh, I understand now, thank you!

[@NeNeiSan]

@@blurryface2o1 Glad I could help!

[@alariaaurora8456]

Sadly visual novels are so hard to adapt. How ever some scenes in second movie, specially when sakura was dreaming , saber alter vs berserker which was more detailed than vn , shiro hugging sakura in 60fps Were just amazing touches by director which i appreciate and truly added to the experience. I haven’t watch this movie yet cuz i live in iran and yeah iran is shit now :) I will wait for blue_ray

[@NeNeiSan]

I agree, the second movie is the best in my opinion. I loved the way it characterized Sakura, and the scenes you mentioned were amazing.

[@ar-rafirahman7700]

Is youtube available in Iran?

[@alariaaurora8456]

Ar-Rafi Rahman yes. By using vpn that is...

[@ThePrime125]

@ABHISHEK ROY Can you really call india a "civilization" ? 😂

[@sephelutis]

They could’ve spend like 10 seconds or few lines of dialogue to explain how Shirou got his new body (especially since Sakura is monologuing her new life). And shirou vs Kirei’s fight had a bad cut

[@anthonygloria5192]

I saw the movie yesterday in theaters and the only problem I have with the film is Kirei coming back at the end not being explained. I was so confused by the fight at the end but I overall enjoyed the film.

[@AntHonyTeisenKamijou]

The faults still makes this a masterpiece for me imo, as someone who already knows somewhat about the original vn, it's really amazing, but I can understand for someone who isn't all that experienced in Fate won’t really understand what and why the thing happened as they did. It really fucking blew my expectations out of the galaxy

[@kiritsugu_hamburger7953]

Ngl when i saw Touko i literally started screaming

[@fizzervc7264]

well i havent seen the movie yet but as a VN reader its extremely disappointing to hear that Shirou vs Kirei wasnt done justice cause that was surprisingly one of if not my favorite part of Heavens Feel and really made me appreciate Kirei as a character and even made him go from someone i really didnt care much about to becoming one of my favorite characters

[@Ikariprince]

It was still animated with a lot of care and it’s climactic but sadly way shorter than in the VN without the internal dialogue. I think it was mostly due to it coming right after the tail end of like 3 separate amazing fight scenes

[@nadhifbhagawantahadiprayit975]

@@Ikariprince The stomp cutting into Zouken's death and cutting instantly into Kirei's death was the first time in a long time i felt disappointed in Ufotable, felt so cucked.

[@exalted5203]

Damn, I can't wait to watch the movie. Judging from the bits of the animation you've shown in this video, it looks absolutely gorgeous. Heaven's Feels probably has the best visuals out of anything animated period.

[@NeNeiSan]

The animation looks even better once you see the full scenes. It's a great movie, especially the fight.

[@arowmorth]

Its definitely is one of best animated movies period, as well in general probs one of the best animated media pieces as of now. With best visuals i still has doubts cus there is a scenes where designs\visuals is not on par with the moments of good animation and general quality in my opinion. But its still good, yeah.

[@nouvaldantesosa2499]

this is definitely the peak of japanese animation

[@albinololi5401]

You'll definitely love the Salter fight.

[@korieklion]

Cmon that’s not true at all. Db super broly was more impressive

[@ravaq2334]

I’m an anime only and idk what I missed from the novel, but Shirou vs Kirei was my favorite part of the movie

[@NeNeiSan]

The fight was way more in-depth in the novel. There is a lot more dialogue that characterizes Kirei, and gives the scene a different tone. Detailing how shattered Shirou's body and mind is at that time.

[@BackMan8224]

I read that part of the vn while waiting for heavens feel 3 a couple months ago, and honestly it was definitely worse and substantially more flat in the movie; vn did that part way better

[@pugnome]

Lmao the movie ruoned the fight

[@rusheru7787]

yeah VN really portrayed how fucked up Shirou's body and mind at that time. I'm pretty sure it's really hard to show on the movie but Ufotable did it's job very well. I atleast expected it to be like that and really satisfied anyway.

[@6452P]

I dont understand why Kirei suddenly pass away ? Because Zouken death ?

[@vp7877]

my only gripe with the movie is when shirou is fighting berserker. While he charges at berserker he is holding the sword the wrong way

[@NeNeiSan]

I never noticed that.

[@mr.mojo1014]

YES THAT PISSED ME OFF

[@reachthezora1912]

I suppose they will fix that in the blue-rays :/

[@hamouiaem5090]

He holded it with two hands

[@ultraxdzn]

One thing I wanted to be in the movie: Emiya theme plays 2 times

[@Dstryrr]

I wish Fate had as much recognition overseas like how KNY or MHA does. Alot of people complain about the lore being complicated for normies

[@arowmorth]

Yeah, thats just silly. The base lore is not that complicated if you invest time and attention for the most part.

[@overcraft1441]

It was freaking awesome. There was substantial dialogue so I appreciate they cut some things out to keep the momentum. People who really want to know the details will do the research

[@MrInuhanyou123]

Fully agree with your view. I give it an 8 out of 10 myself. Its a great movie but it has issues. I actually think the first and second movie have a lot to do with it as they moved quickly and didnt delve into smaller moments that need payoff in the finale like shirou and kireis cut moments, illya being sidelined largely and even implications like the third dress and what being a vessel for the grail even means. As you said the best scene in the movie was the flashback to the origin of the war as well as alter vs rider...was salty that alters end was only a few seconds though..considering how impactful it was for shirou to do that in the vn, it being little more than a footnote really hurt

[@NeNeiSan]

I completely agree with your statement. I was also very disappointed with the end of Alter's fight. I wish they did something unique with Angra's backstory, but it ended being a simple explanation. It also would have been nice to have some Visual Novel tracks play, like Die Lorelei.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

@@NeNeiSan its been a meme that kaijura hates the vn ost lol. The only songs shes ever reprised is sword of promised victory in fz and emiya in this movie. I also agree regarding angry mango. Considering how seamless his story goes from fsn to ha, anime onlies are gonna have a hell of a time piecing all this together.

[@NeNeiSan]

@@MrInuhanyou123 At the least, the tracks she did reprise were amazing.

[@rusheru7787]

Hopefully they make anime out of HA. It's my first VN and I enjoyed 80 hours of my life reading fuck ton of dialouge. It should give more description about Angra Mainyu and Bazett's connection on Fate timeline 'cause I read some fanfictions and they're confused about Bazett knowing her death actually left an impact in main storyline. HA should be a good conclusion for the Fate series alongside with a remake of Fate route.

[@Sol3Chris]

Yea I agree with you there, in the VN just knowing shirou’s thought process when making decisions it adds so much to the story and that was pretty much cut out of the movies, the animation was incredible but It just feels like it’s missing stuff that made the VN fantastic 7/10 for me, Would definitely watch again tho.

[@SolarFrost2809]

You guys get to watch Fate HF 3 While I'll have to watch Fate Stay Home: Unlimited Quarrantine Work?

[@creativeyoutubename3175]

I just watched the movie and got home. This is definitely my favorite fate route. I was a little confused at first when they said emiya was dead, but then we was next to Sakura, but I later understood what that meant. Also... Rider in the timeskip 👌😤 (great video by the way!)

[@NeNeiSan]

Thanks, Glad you enjoyed!

[@Zarloftt]

i was confused by that, what did it mean exactly

[@creativeyoutubename3175]

@@Zarloftt I think that was meant to show him always watching over her. If I remember correctly, I don’t think they ever showed timeskip Shirou actually talk to anyone besides Sakura, hinting at how he wasn’t really there. That’s just how I see it though

[@koolkid-yj1jx]

@@creativeyoutubename3175 i thought they used the doll in the box to somhow reincarnate shirou

[@creativeyoutubename3175]

@@koolkid-yj1jx maybe? I feel like they left it like this so you could interpret it yourself

[@furlockgnomes]

honestly i agree with every single point you made. I just feel like they should show a bit more cause i felt something was missing to make this a masterpiece

[@NeNeiSan]

If it was just a little bit longer to let some scenes sink in and explain some more things, it would have been perfect.

[@zaidshahid6668]

As a vn reader I too think some character development was cut and some scenes were either missing or short but we all know how hard it is to adapt a vn perfectly and ufo table adapted it very well in a movie. I loved this movie and am very happy that my favourite franchise got this much love

[@NeNeiSan]

Looking back, I'm impressed with how much Ufotable was able to condense this route, while still keeping it's major themes.

[@d.e5964]

I've finally seen all 3 routes and heaven's feel has got to be my favourite man. Such a fucked up story tone wise but written to near perfection. Shirou in this route is better than the UBW shirou. And Sakura has got to be one of the best female protagonists in anime. All I need now is a saber route and I can finish fate with a clear conscience

[@suminaoshinjo6545]

Justice for rider

[@Ohimeshinso]

I understood what happened quite well due to reading Sakura's wiki because after UBW and the original Fate/Stay Night anime, I wanted to know what it was about her that was so odd to m3. And that basically gave me the basics of the Heaven's Feel movie, especially when combined with reading Illya's and Shirou's wikis as well. Specifically, their TYPEMOON Wikis.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

That illiustrates an issue. Reading the wikis to have understanding is not going to be the experience most have

[@yevonsama]

Wikia isn't totally correct. You only really understand if you read VN carefully. exp: Wikia says Sakura become more yandere against any female who gets close to Shirou. But it actually wrong. - She banned Rider from release her eyes just because Rider can cause damage to everyone. ( Sakura is very good faith/guilty. Everytime she did anything wrong, she will punish herself. And she tries to prevent everyone do the bad thing,too). - She knows Shirou has interested in Rin, but she tries to calm down and blames herself that she is dirty and can't compare to Rin. She only reaches to her limit at day 13, when Gilgamesh cuts all her limb. She tries to wake up, greets Rin. And Rin responds her kindness by ask Shirou to kill Sakura, while confirms that she actually love Shirou,too. You don't really need worms or yandere to angry in that situation.

[@Ohimeshinso]

@@yevonsama you really think I care about that? That's such an unimportant detail that no one would remember from a single "playthrough". And Sakura being more yandere or whatever isn't a plot point or major event, so it's irrelevant to me. Even if it were true, only Stay Night Nerds or Sakura simps would care. The wiki covers the major events and that's all it needs to do as far as covering story goes.

[@yevonsama]

@@Ohimeshinso it just a example. Different to Fate or UBW, you can understand the story while not clearly know about these "secret point". HF is the huge puzzle. You will misunderstand the story if you don't realize about these points. And until now, i still see many guys misunderstanding that " Rin kills Sakura to save people" or " Shinji rapes Sakura to feed mana to her.", or " Sakura kills people".

[@jaydenlobbe7911]

Shirou vs Kirei is the most disappointing scene? Oh no ;-; Kirei ma man, what have they done to you? You were so badass in the VN ;-;

[@someguywithabirdface2583]

They burn all the budget for salter vs rider .

[@cloakedclover]

The "step" is the best part of the fight imo.

[@sibsart2039]

The fight itself wasn’t bad though

[@mqegg]

@@sibsart2039 yeah it was pretty good still.

[@ousmaailayoub5727]

It was perfect in my opinion, that's how a fight between two beaten up and dying people should be.

[@YoshiKirishima]

Nice review, thanks for making! I was unfortunately disappointed, since the production values were insane and I loved the animation and Kajiura's OST was the best of the 3 movies IMO. I felt it could have been much better, seeing as how FSN is rated as one of the best VNs ever, I really wanted it to fulfill that potential and become a top tier anime. I did know at the same time though, how hard adapting a VN can be, especially with limited time and skill (I'm looking at both the Higurashi animes T_T). For me unfortunately it's only a 8/10 at best due to a lot of aspects feeling lacking with the story, and occasionally minor things with the directing. I felt the first movie was best simply because I understood what was going on better and the story it presented was more of a mystery/thriller, where you don't need answers yet. When HF2 and HF3 did give some answers, I felt it wasn't enough. As an anime only viewer, like you said I was very confused and lost at times, due to not understanding what the stakes were. Many reasons contributed to this, such as me not knowing the lore/magic system and what options were available at what times to each character. Character motivations were also confusing to me because at times characters seemingly would say something that betray their true feelings, and at times it seemed maybe unintentional (character not being honest with themselves) while other times it seemed it may have been on purpose to get some kind of reaction from the other person. I was also confused a lot of times with why a certain character died when there didn't seem to be a reason for them to die, and other times characters living even after multiple deaths. I also didn't get at what times we were supposed to think it was a true death, and at what times I was supposed to know they had a certain magic that protected them from living. All these things made it hard for me to feel invested because I didn't know what I was supposed to understand, what I wasn't supposed to yet, and how to feel in general. At the very bottom I listed some examples that I was confused about if you were curious. As an anime only viewer I was really relieved that they revealed the origin of the grail and how the war started. I was always super lost on that and thought there was just not going to be any explanation, but the explanation turned out to be a relevant backstory which was good. Only thing is that I was following Ilya's explanation at first, but unfortunately I got lost a few lines in, it was hard to keep up with so many names/terms being thrown around, and without all my questions being answered. I felt the Saber Rider fight was lacking in a couple aspects and there was a bit too much overuse on the snappiness, I would have preferred more anticipation and build ups to some of those motions to give more contrast when they did use snappiness to emphasize power. That said it was still glorious and really really impressive to have nonstop action for SIX full minutes, and a great Kajiura OST to go with it. The dialogue that was in the fight was great too "I have his trust", etc. It's probably a top 5 anime fight of all time for me. Kirei was also a standout this movie, I didn't expect that much focus on him but he is one of the things I did feel I had a full understanding of and did not have any confusions. I was very satisfied in regards to his character and role in the movie. The scene with him reflecting/expositing in the church early on with the ethereal music was great and set a certain perspective and tone for the rest of the movie. I also didn't expect to like him so much as a character, knowing some of the messed up shit he did in F/Z. I felt the very beginning of the movie and the end were standouts too. When Sakura was facing off Rin and Shirou. The glorious main theme (butterfly theme, mostly the same from HF2 but with some revisions) was really epic, and I loved the contrast between the intensity of the theme and the tense stareoff and Sakura just showing her craziness. The camera just spinning around Sakura's expression darkening while the opera singer wailed was so hype. It made her have such an overwhelming presence. The Aimer song fit way way better than I thought it was going to. The way it synced up with Sakura looking at the Sakura trees, as well as the chorus starting when they take the first step over the line... the way they emphasized was so beautiful I felt like tearing up. It made me disappointed I didn't enjoy the movie a lot more though because I felt that moment would have actually made me cry with how well it was executed. I also feel the VN did the Rin Sakura scene better, when Rin reveals she does love her and can't kill her. The VN had nakige style sad, tender music. The movie went for the silent approach, but I felt it was dry that way. The VN scene made me realize it was supposed to be a very touching and fulfilling moment. Sorry this was so long, if you read any of it then thanks XD Examples of some things I was confused about. No need to answer them, I plan to read up more or just read the VN sometime before getting spoiled fully. 1) I didn't realize that Shirou was losing his memory. I felt him stuttering when saying "Rider" was awkward, like he was too weak to talk, rather than forgetting and being unsure. They could have conveyed this better with different directing/character acting. The VN did it better because he the voice acting makes it sound more like he tries saying "Rider" but gives up and moves on. In the movie, there is a longer pause so it seems less like he forgot and more like he's too tired to finish the sentence or something. 2) I didn't realize that the blades were being created from Shirou to try to fix or keep alive his body. I thought the blades themselves were the consequence of using Archer's arm. But it seems that using Archer's arm hurts him, and when his body is hurt the blades are created as a reaction. And also that when he gets hurt in general, the blades would create. 3) I didn't realize that Shirou was actually going to die at the end. He seemed fine enough to me, for anime-logic standards. After reading the VN scene I see that he was supposed to be nearly dead and about to do 1 last projection. Though I thought that since he didn't need to, his body wouldn't die, but it seems it did anyway. So I didn't really get why Ilya had to save him by sacrificing herself when Shirou would have lost his body whether he did 1 last projection to destroy the grail or not. Later I read that Ilya saved his soul and it was in a birdcage. I also thought Shirou had Avalon which will heal his body no matter what. 4) When Rin "died" after failing to kill Sakura, I wasn't sure if I was supposed to think she was already dead at first until she budged. But I wasn't sure if Sakura saw that she budged and knew she wasn't actually dead when Shirou told her. I also didn't know why she didn't die until I read that she had some magical protection due to her family. 5) Zouken dying 3 different times. I knew he wasn't going to go that easily but it seemed a bit silly to me. 6) When Kirei died at the end, I thought he died due to Shirou punching him first before Kirei's fist reached him when he said he lost due to "timing". I felt that was pretty unclear, whereas in the VN, Kirei dies mid-motion and without Shirou punching him. In the movie it seemed like Shirou's fist did touch Kirei so it looked like he got punched and died. (I knew that would be silly to die to a weak punch like that, but I was already confused at many other things so I accepted it as the truth). 7) I didn't get how Shirou traced Berserker's weapon/noble phantasm/nine lives whatever he did, since he never saw Berserker's past and how he died. Maybe Archer touched his weapon at some point that I don't remember. 8) Why Shirou couldn't use Caster's noble phantasm to free Saber from the evil stuff. It's supposed to break magics and contracts, so it should be able to break the link between her and the shadow's control the way Shirou freed Sakura from it. 9) A lot of the mechanics of the grail, how wishes are made and granted, how corruption works, etc. weren't explained enough for me to feel invested in the stakes. 10) A ton about Sakura's character. Understandably she is complex and often dishonest, but it did make it hard for me to understand when situations kept changing. I didn't understand whether she was able to reject the shadow or not. Was her reluctance to Shirou saving her simply due to feeling guilty for killing people? Did she even know that Shirou had a way to save her? I didn't know Shirou had a way to save her until he projected Caster's NP. 11) If Saber and Rider are both linked to Sakura, they should be boosted by the shadow's powers. So shouldn't Alter Saber still be way stronger than Rider? Power levels in Fate seem inconsistent and I shouldn't think of them much, and it was for the sake of an epic fight so it's justified to make it look like a close fight. It seems in the VN, Shirou fights Saber herself, so yeah I much prefer Rider + Shirou support vs Saber. I also like the little plan/trust thing they had going there, since I'm guessing it was anime original. It made the fight feel very euphoric.

[@Tosu2357]

Woah, lots of questions 😅 I read most of what u said, and I 90% agree with most of it. The disagreement is due more to personal taste and such, like with Kirei's exorcism. For me I enjoyed that scene bc of two things: the reference to Shirou Kotomine from Apocrypha, and I'm Catholic, so the "Kyrie Eleison" is very familiar to me. Now when it comes to your questions, I can answer a few. The one about swords coming out of Shirou, I don't know all the details, but I believe a major part of it, is that is Origin is "Sword", influenced by Avalon. (If ur unfamiliar with Origins, it's basically what allowed Kiristugu, or rather his mentor, to make those special bullets that mess up magic Circuits). I knew Archer's arm was involved, but I didn't know they were a sort of defense mechanism, that's interesting. For Shirou dying or not, if I'm not mistaken, it's one of those situations where "It's not a matter of if, only when. As soon as he used Archer's arm the first time, he basically chose death. The rule to use the arm 3 or 4 more times, wasn't like a limit to maintain his life, rather, it meant using it X amount of times would accelerate the process to the point that he'd die on the spot. As for Avalon's influence, he needs to be near Saber, and I'm assuming Vanilla Saber, since that's would've kicked in when he used Rho Aias. Regardless, at the time at which he almost died, Avalon was undeniably inert as Saber had already been defeated. Also, it's noted that "Even the Grail could not repair Shirou's broken body" Zouken's persistence, I agree that was pretty silly 😂 When it comes to Shirou and Archer, the projection magic they use is fundamentally different from normal projection. It's a method called trace projection. (Hence, "Trace On") The difference is, once mastered (Basically once Shirou becomes Archer), the Magecraft doesn't make Hollow imitations based on sight alone. Archer not only traces the weapons structure, but it's history and every other aspect of it. With this, he can not only replicate the properties of items (Like Rule Breaker), but replicate the skills attributed to the weapon's user (Such as Nine Lives). The only limitation is divine constructs like Ea and Excalibur, for those you'd need the memories of the object itself, (For example, Shirou perfectly traced both Avalon and Caliburn in the Fate route after coming into contact with Saber, and having Avalon in his body for a decade). As for where the knowledge comes from, Archer is assumed to have lived through a general version of the 5th Grail war in which he learned all the big things (IE: Projection Magic, The Seven Servants and their well known abilities, etc.) Shirou didn't use Rule Breaker on Saber for a couple reasons. For one, he was, as stated before, limited as to how often he could use high level projection. If he used rule breaker on Saber, the time gaps and energy expended would likely require him to reproject it when saving Sakura. On that note, Shirou may very well have damned the consequences and done just that, but unlike the Fate route, Shirou and Saber were just Comrades, she was defeated with in a couple days so they could barely bond as much as tbe other route. So even though Shirou killed her heavy heartedly, Sakura was his priority. Also, I could be very wrong, but I think the Blackening Saber went through, and Sakura's corruption are slightly different. Rule breaker would break Sakura's connection to Angra, but in Saber's case, it'd probably cut her pact with Sakura. Again I could be wrong, but he may have remained an alter, since there wasn't a pact involved in that process. When it comes to the grails corruption, even with a full season anime, I feel like they couldn't have explained it enough. The full picture for that could very well be its own anime. It has to do with the First through Fourth Wars. For the sake of corruption though, the context given in Spring Song and Zero seem to give a decent amount of info. For the rest, I'd reccomend diving into the wiki (Or don't it's a deep rabbit hole) When it comes to Sakura's inconsistencies, it's understandably confusing. I see it like this: She at first hated the world itself because of all her hardships. Shirou was her one ray of light. Even if there was no clear way for him to save her, she still trusted him with everything she had. Kirei is really the one I think, who changes her attitude. When she's first corrupted, she's cocky and power hungry, but once Kirei lectures her, she goes through a mental crisis of sorts, her true self wanting to keep her sister and only friend (hero) safe and killing herself as punishment for her crimes, and her dark side clinging to her power. In the final battle, after Killing Zouken (Kinda) and Assassin, she gets cocky and decides to move on with flexing her power. Of course Rin has her moment with her, and her death causes the kinder side of Sakura to awaken and try to kill herself as atonement, until Shirou comes and saves her by "punishing her." She accepts this, because, as she said in the first movie "if it's [Shirou] I'm fine with [being punished] " As for the last point, the only "bond" between Rider and Sakura is that of Summoner and Servant. After using all three command spells, their contract was nullified. Rider only cares about Sakura, not as a master, but as a person. As for power scaling, Medusa is most definitely not on equal ground. She had to bust her ass in that fight to only MATCH Saber, who, though she was trying, likely wasn't fighting at 100%. As Rider said, she can only match her at full power for 2 minutes Hopefully that was helpful. I totally agree that context wasn't this trilogy's strong point, but if you love Fate, I highly recommend diving into the wiki. It's a lot of info to take in but it's sooooo juicy. Having all the context I did, I love this movie so much more. At first I was worried that the context I had was more like spoilers, but realistically, it's hard to Spoil Spring Song. If anything, if you're just giving a verbal description, you're really only giving context. Then the friend you "spoiled" watches the movie, sees the animation for the first time, and gushes over it, having learned the significance. Personally, I like that formula to some extent. Fate adaptations seem to take the term "Adaptation" Literally. Instead of making Heavens Feel anime only friendly, a lot of it was more of "Hey visual novel readers, you know all this story, now here's what it looks like in glorious Ufotable Animation with Godly Yuki Kaijura music"

[@YoshiKirishima]

​@@Tosu2357 Thanks for response and explanations! Oh I actually liked Kirei's battle with Assassin and his exorcism to be clear! I mostly didn't like Zouken's 2nd death fakeout. His worm being crushed and surviving and squirming around later was weird to me haha. Also now that I think of it I thought it was funny when Sakura felt bad for killing Shinji and especially Zouken. I was like, bro!!! lol Ooh yeah I remember origins being awakened in KnK. I guess I should have known that concept carried over to Fate too even if not mentioned in the same way. So I guess Avalon was still at play and his body was trying to heal, but his Origin was awakened (due to Archer's arm or such), and instead of healing naturally it tried healing with blades since he's a blade. That makes sense to me! Avalon not working due to Vanilla Saber being gone makes enough sense too. When Shirou said/showed to Ilya that he was OK after the Berserker fight, I thought he really was OK at the time, but I guess the movie did try to show he wasn't, by showing him hurting in his sleep. Ok, not being able to spam rule breaker makes sense. Even if he projected it only once, it still takes mana to use multiple times. I feel bad for Saber but yeah he barely knew her, and killing her fits well with the theme of protecting his true love and ignoring "justice". Saber's corruption being different due to in itself not involving a "pact" would make enough sense too. I'll try reading up about the Grail corruption, Greater Grail, White/Black Grail stuff cus it did make me curious. I do love reading wiki's when the lore is interesting. Oh shit, I forgot about Sakura saying that she was fine with Sem-pai punishing her. That's a nice book end! (Also that's l-lood). It would have helped if I rewatched HF1 and HF2 to prepare for HF3. Also yeah I figure that ufotable knew it wasn't going to be possible to make it fully anime friendly, and so instead went with the minimal amount needed to understand the main parts. It's an understandable compromise since the movie as an anime can't be much longer than 2 hours, and to save budget. I do kind of wish I read the VN, or at least HF route, before watching the 3rd movie now, but I'm definitely planning on reading the VN sometime to see what it's really like, and rewatching HF eventually!

[@Tosu2357]

@@YoshiKirishima Yeah, I'm planning to fully experience the VN real soon, already downloaded it. Zouken is definitely an annoying bastard, I think we can all agree 😂 I think I forgot to mention a very interesting fact abt the sword thing. I'm sure you've heard the phrase "I am the bone of my sword" That phrase is a subtle nod to his origin. When it manifests, his bones literally become swords. Also interesting to note is that his orgin is why he can use projection viably. Normally projection is considered useless because you spend X amount of Mana for a Hollow shell that's likely worth 60% - ish of what was use to make it. But because of the Origin that is sword, Shirou and Archer can trace objects more accurately as explained before, so long as they consider it a weapon (Sword being a broad representation of weapons I suppose). This means he can't project a working toaster oven 😂 Also, DID YOU SEE THE FACIAL EXPRESSIONS SAKURA HAD WHEN TALKING TO KIREI?!?!?! I don't care if she was corrupted she's was pretty damn cute when she tried 😂 And yeah fate lore is often very interesting, I've burnt my retinas on the wiki a dozen times 😂😂😂 The callback to the moments shared by the two were some of my favorite parts. There's of course the punishment scene as we mentioned, there's the Cherry Blossom viewing promise at the end, and the whole idea of Shirou betraying his dream to be a hero. On that note, I love that point you made about Saber, how he followed his new path of "Saving Sakura at all costs" that never actually occurred to me. What made me laugh a bit was whenever someone berated Shirou for his weakness in not killing Sakura earlier. Because had he done that (an option in the VN), he'd be immediately cucked by rider. Not only would Sakura live, the man she loved would be dead and she'd likely frenzy right then and there. Despite the flaws in the movie, which I feel are very subjective, I personally see it as one of my favorites. But that's only because I've basically drowned in the mud of the Type Moon Wiki 😂. And this just makes me really wanna read the VN. I'll probably do that once I'm on vacation and not busy with other stuff. If u wanna explore fate more, I'd highly recommend watching Otaku Dai Kun' s videos if u haven't already, they're very thorough and actually fairly easy to understand. He has a video explaining the Stay Night lore, covering all 5 wars

[@NeNeiSan]

Thank you for commenting and giving a personal review of it, I enjoyed reading it. I agree with a lot of you points. As this movie covered my favorite part of the VN I wanted it to be just as good, but sadly didn't reach that far. Heaven's Feel focuses a lot on building lore and applying it to the current situation, so the countless hours of exposition couldn't be brought over to the anime and be called a fun experience. Even though it didn't match my expectations it was still a great ride.

[@NeNeiSan]

@@Tosu2357 When you do read it, I hope you have fun with the VN. It's a great experience, just watch out for the slow start.

[@jonathanprime1507]

Fr i was like i don't know whats happening but i like it 😂

[@apocryphaemiya9331]

honestly watching this anime I shed tears only for Ilya and Shirou, watching Shirou cry and begging for Ilya and the fact he freed himself from his ideal is like watching my own little brother grow, while Ilya, Heracles, and archer is... just tragic. These individuals is strong the pinnacle of mankind, people that manage to become so strong but incapable to protect what matters to them, and Sakura I sympathies with her I truly do, it's just hard for me to think she is suited for Shirou after watching Fate and UBW, I see him rather more suited with Rider or Ilya. Damn HF Ilya is my most favorite Ilya even compared to Ilyasvers

[@prototypex674]

I’m an anime only and watching the entire trilogy felt hard to understand at certain points but man the ending made up for it so much. I really didn’t like the relationship between Shirou and Illya in Fate UBW due to the lack of brother-sister interaction despite them not really being blood-related at all (just sharing the same Father). Seeing how close they became in HF was so heartwarming so seeing the ending where she sacrifices herself had me crying. Then for the cherry on top, when she reunited with Iris just added to the emotion so much. I’ve not watched the Fate route yet but between HF and UBW, I honestly prefer this one. It has a much closer connection to Fate/Zero so no doubt in my mind this route is my fave. HF follows the theme of family bonding more than anything else since the resolution for Sakura was to have the one she saw as “her hero”, Rin to finally acknowledge her struggles and by comforting her in the final moments in order to break through to her when the Shadow had gained almost full control over her. Absolute masterpiece and beautiful ending. But of course ,the fight scenes were f*cking insane. Huge respect to the animation team working at Ufotable ✊ and I don’t regret spending the last three days watching all three movies for the first time.

[@NeNeiSan]

Glad to see you enjoyed it. There is so much to love about Heaven's Feel, which is also my favorite of any Fate.

[@hectorhomercura1747]

Salter: EXSSSUUUU MORGANNNNN *Shirou Uses Rho aias* Snek:BELLLEROPHONNNNN

[@NeNeiSan]

One of the best moments in the trilogy, that soundtrack was beautiful.

[@hectorhomercura1747]

@@NeNeiSan But we All know ... Muramasa Sengo(Shirou Emiya) theme save Typemoon 😂 that Emiya vs herc tho 😅

[@NeNeiSan]

@@hectorhomercura1747 Emiya is probably one of my favorite tracks of all time. Can't wait for Muramasa to actually be playable.

[@totozhu4543]

It was great. Animation was superb, story was great, but the thing that ruined it was the fact that the VN was able to describe the story so much better, so it had a bit of disappointment there Edit: If it was any other franchise without a source material this would be an absolute masterpiece... but it also wouldn’t make sense

[@pipboy4572]

Yes, I have an issue...I can’t watch it near me😢 every theater is closed😢😢 And I was so excited to go watch it too 🤦‍♂️ guess I’ll wait lol

[@NeNeiSan]

That sucks, I would have been pretty depressed. Hopefully the Blu-Rays come out somewhat soon.

[@Eskimofo13]

@@NeNeiSan Blu Ray release March 31

[@shinningfm3948]

I can't watch it yet!!!!!

[@AveryScarlet]

I haven't played the VN in a while, but I felt there were some things left out while watching the movie. I just can't recall what they were. At least I knew I wasn't the only one that felt like that. I still think this route shouldn't have been made as a movie. While I know it still wouldn't have done well as a show either, like Fate and UBW, but since it's a movie, there's more pressure on fitting everything together due to the time constriction. I think that's why people still preferred UBW (the show not the movie) because it didn't entirely feel rushed. While things were left out (not as much as the movie), I appreciated the studio's decision in making additional scenes about Archer. I hope the Fate route gets rebooted as part of the anniversary. NOT as a movie, but as a show. While VN adaptations are never perfect, I prefer it being made as a 24 episode show rather than a movie.

[@NeNeiSan]

Once Fate is rebooted that will make the anime watch order a lot more clear.

[@simpleplays9695]

Is the Fate Route (where Saber deserves happy ending) people are talking about "Remaking" is that one which is from year 2006, Fate Stay Night?

[@NeNeiSan]

The 2006 anime follows the Fate route to a degree. At some point near the end it does bring in a short anime original arc using plot points from UBW and Heaven's Feel. As well as leave out a lot of vital information about the world and Saber.

[@jjkkwhite2619]

I KNEW I SAW A GARDEN OF SINNERS REFERENCE

[@markbc3382]

Yes you did , and it was in the VN also, not an anime exclusive

[@giovannodpanaroma6817]

Yes at the end when you see the puppet, and the red haired girl.

[@Alpha-zi5uq]

me too !!

[@OneEyed8135]

So uhh i didnt get Sakuras and Zoukens motivation..

[@NeNeiSan]

Zouken's motive was that he loved Justeaze, he didn't want her sacrifice to be in vain so he wanted to obtain the grail to himself a conclusion. However, overtime, as he spent hundreds of years attempting to get the grail, he had to constantly renew his decaying body, with his condition only getting worse over time. At some point he had gone insane and had misinterpreted his goal as solely obtaining immortality. Sakura's was about her emotions that have been bottled up for years. When she finally got that push from being influenced by Angra, she snapped and lost much of her rationality.

[@OneEyed8135]

@@NeNeiSan haha i was so confused when zouken turned to sakuras side because they didnt explain anything

[@Drahcoul]

question, at the end they said shirous body disappeared nd then out of nowhere he appears and it seems on sukara interacts with him. Is he dead or is he really alive? if so what happens 2 them beyond this point are they in a relationship orr...

[@NeNeiSan]

He is alive by the end of it. Illya used the Third Magic to put Shirou's soul into a container, which is later found by Rider. Rin then takes Shirou's soul to put into a doll made by the mage Touko Aozaki. Yes, they are in a relationship.

[@Drahcoul]

@@NeNeiSan thank you, another question is about unlimited blade works, do you think they will make another season because they ended it with so much more to be done, in a limited do rin and shirou end up in relationship in that story because you can see they like oneanother but a relationship was not implied in the anime, was it in the VN or LN?

[@NeNeiSan]

@@Drahcoul I don't think there will be a continuation of it, sadly. The closest thing to a continuation of the main Fate timeline is the Visual Novel Fate/Hollow Ataraxia. It's a sequel of sorts to all the FSN routes. It's heavily implied they are in a relationship during the VN ending.

[@Drahcoul]

@@NeNeiSan do you have twitter, or anything else i can contact you if i have any question?

[@NeNeiSan]

​@@Drahcoul I do have a Twitter, I haven't used it at all though. It is @Ne_NeiSan

[@jefthereaper]

I need the Fate route and Tsukihime by Ufotable. Sure respecting Deen for the originals is nice and all. You should never forget how you got where you are. But the past should NEVER stand in the way of inovation and improvement. Or in the movies words; DEEN: "Can you keep up with me?" Ufotable: "Right back at you, you keep up with me!" (Goes an surpasses them)

[@FlameSkull95]

The fact that I will be getting another rendition of the Emiya theme by Yuki Kajiura-san is enough motivation for me to watch this film, plus the fact that I've adored fate/zero and stay night, both the anime and visual novel up until day 14, of which I purposefully decided to catch up to the events of lost butterfly's cliffhanger ending (approximately that is, given that the previous film made some key rearrangements in the order of events), of which is why I believe I will be satisfied enough with this grand finale in anime form.

[@madridmeister8503]

Well here is my question so shirou"s body was destroyed right? that's why we were seeing some form of fake body at the last part?

[@cheesecake7142]

I watched it in theaters yesterday and loved it. Shit was actually so fire. I’ll have to read the VN.

[@Hebi_op]

Heaven's Feel 3 is Amazing, but it's fanservice for the visual novel readers, just like Unlimited Blade works. here it is, fixed.

[@yuutsunaXIII]

I watched it yesterday (Nov 27) since it was the first airing here in canada. I only watch the anime (never read any VN or manga about fate series). I got hooked even with just watching anime and I do agree that some parts weren't explained properly or such that's why I was kinda lost but still a really amazing movie for me. Would watch it again and i'll try to remember which parts I didn't understand

[@falakaara6660]

Can anyone explain me the ending what was the creature in the box and how did shire came back and what has happened to him

[@Seigfreid060]

Wait why did shiro come back is he that doll or did he not die that's what confused me

[@arowmorth]

Some interesting info about the movies for whom didnt read the VN: Ufotable cut out few entire VN scenes, but based on that make few story Drama CD for the DVD/BlueRay - "First Interlude" for 1 Movie about Shirou and Sakura peaceful moments (plus cooking teachings), and most importantly - "Tohsaka Rin no Seihai Sensou, Sonogo" for 3d Movie about epilogue's Magic Association Rin's Trail (for what happened in Fuyuki HGW & Manifestation's of 2'nd and 3'd Sorcery aka True Magic at the same time, since Tohsaka family responsible for Fuyuki territory) and her saving by Kischur Zelretch Schweinorg - The Second True Magic User, Parallel World Traveler Immortal Sorcerer himself showing up(who is not a Dead Apostle in modern Fate Worlds but have another form of "Immortality" thats why he lives as per Nasu), since he is one of the Lords in Clock Tower and he acknowledged that Rin's succeed in retrieving the blueprint of the 'Jeweled Sword Zelretch', as that was a duty\task\condition for one of a Tohsaka family for becoming Zelretch apprentice. Zelretch:" I know you can recreate Jeweled Sword if you will have materials" and he was right. Thats how Rin ended up in Clock Tower Mineralogy Department and also was lectured by Waver few times. Basically very important for the grander Nasuverse lore scene that good to know, yeah. Also Nei, I think it would be a nice idea to make short video and let people know about Tohsaka Rin no Seihai Sensou, Sonogo Drama CD if it will be translated in English (our Russian madlads already did a TL to it in Russian and i listened to it lol), as its major part of the story that was cut out, yea. Btw Viet guys even did a VN-version of it www youtube com watch?v=Y0PJavJrR6w

[@NeNeiSan]

I didn't know Heaven's Feel had any CD Dramas. I did take a look and sad to see they aren't translated in English yet. When they are I would love to make a video about them. The second one you mentioned does seem interesting if it does go into more detail about what happened at the Mage Association. Thanks for sharing!

[@arowmorth]

@@NeNeiSan I had moments like this a lot with all franchises xD For cheking Drama CD i recommend vgmdb net music database website (well besides official web stores like amazon and CDJapan), they updates are really good. Too bad youtube purges Drama CD cus copyright claims, there is so much gteat staff like Fate/Garden of Avalon drama CD, F/GO - Fate Dantes Drama CD, F/Z Drama CD, UBW Drama CD story sequel, Fate/Prototype Drama CD, Melty Blood & KnK Drama CD, All Around Type-Moon Drama CD, Fate/Extra story adaptation Drama CD and etc. Spring Song Rin's one released with the BD so its really new, yeah.

[@NeNeiSan]

@@arowmorth I was completely unaware that Fate had all of those. I will definitely take a look at the ones from that list that have been translated. I wish Drama CDs had more accessibility to other languages, as there are some important info in those that can help people understand the story better.

[@my2danimations478]

What happened to shirou in the end?

[@thebakalord]

Haven’t seen it yet due to being in the UK. I hope Illya’s beautiful explanation of Angra Mainyu is still there!

[@thebakalord]

@Toneri Ōtsutsuki no clue, no one has said anything! All I know is that Shirou looked at Illya’s memories and saw the three families Tohsak, Makiri and Einzberns and their teacher Zelretch in order to make the gem sword for Rin. But that’s it, even a five minute explanation of Avenger would be perfect. I still get the shivers from the Illya’s VN explanation of Angra Mainyu.

[@NeNeiSan]

There is an explanation, but you might be disappointed.

[@thebakalord]

@@NeNeiSan as long as there’s one then it’s fine

[@hamouiaem5090]

There's

[@oussamagharbi5419]

for my part ... best movie ever , the ending was a bit confusing i had to do some researches but it in general the movie was stunning i recommend it highly

[@NeNeiSan]

That's great to hear. It's a bit divided, but it all comes down to expectations in the end.

[@iagbedejobi]

Can someone explain the ending? It was quite tough to understant

[@wokadora]

Please! I am so lost.

[@NeNeiSan]

In the end Shirou's body and mind was being destroyed from using Archer's arm and was close to death. Illya used the Third Magic on Shirou to place his soul in a container. That container was later found by Rider and Rin went to a mage, Touko Aozaki, that specializes in making realistic dolls. They are able to transfer Shirou's soul into the doll and overtime the doll changes into the Shirou we see at the end of the film.

[@ayushsharma149]

@@NeNeiSan what happened to sakura plz tell bro

[@NeNeiSan]

@@ayushsharma149 In the end, she is completely fine.

[@memobaki2100]

@@NeNeiSan I like sakura but she should have died to make it a better ending in my opinion

[@FlameSkull95]

After watching the 3rd film on my own as an anime only, I have to say that after that credits scene, I was left with what people call a "hole in the chest" when they've "finished" something of a masterpiece for the first time, with this in mind, for me the fate anime journey has reached it's conclusion (unless they decide to adapt the other endings and Hollow Ataraxia, but I have my doubts there) SPOILER TALK The Aozaki Touko cameo (that actually blew me away) made sense to me, given that while Shirou's body was gone, his soul has remained, and thus both Rin and Sakura came across Touko to transfer his soul to one of her Dolls, just like he did it to herself in movie 5 of Kara no Kyoukai, although I believe there will be confusion among non KnK watchers because of that particular detail, also I was satified with the final fight and for once I believe Kirei was finally able to shine again as a villain, given how many connections this route has to Fate/Zero, as well as his entire role in that story.

[@NeNeiSan]

I'm glad you were able to enjoy it as much as you did! Looking back, a lot of my complaints were "The VN did it better." I'm planning to do a rewatch of the trilogy once my BD gets delivered. That way I can enjoy it as it is and not be bogged down by the hopes I had when first watching it.

[@FlameSkull95]

@@NeNeiSan *she (in reference to what I said about her ability in movie 5 of KnK)

[@jporob]

can someone tell where to read the Fate VN? i would appreciate for the help. Thank You.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

KZbin tannerofthenorth. He has a full blind lp of it on his channel here m.kzbin.info/aero/PL9k52nBSHCyq5tj69J4UNxIF_DPy9c6ZJ If you want to read it yourself however i can send you my copy to download

[@jporob]

@@MrInuhanyou123 yeah. i would like to read it myself, if u have any link i will download it. and thank you for the help

[@MrInuhanyou123]

@@jporob drive.google.com/file/d/1XoA8EupvlFIMjfP87YFKw8lJzssvt9kD/view?usp=drivesdk There you go Just download onto a computer extract and read the readme file for further instruction

[@2BAMaster9]

Could you explain what happened to Shirou at the end of the film? Did Ilya become the grail and grant Shirou’s wish?

[@NeNeiSan]

Illya used the Third Magic and displacement magecraft to put Shirou's soul into a container. Rider later found that container and Rin brought it to a mage, Touko Aozaki (Kara No Kyoukai), who specializes in making dolls. They had the soul transplanted into the doll, and overtime the doll began to take shape into the Shirou we see at the end of the film.

[@wenskun8765]

@@NeNeiSan thanks for the clarification.

[@NeNeiSan]

@@wenskun8765 No problem

[@LordVerdo]

Definitely have to say if you had no idea who the hell Aozaki is from Garden of Sinners, you would have little idea how Shirou survived. I still loved the movie of course!

[@2BAMaster9]

I thought I saw her in the film. How did she play a part in Shirou surviving? I need an explanation on that ending

[@gulfarion3460]

so, what is zouken wish?? never understood it. i have too mny why because i have not dive too deep into nasuverse.

[@NeNeiSan]

Zouken loved Justeaze, so when she sacrificed her self for the HGW, he vowed to make it to the root so her sacrifice wasn't in vain. However, by extending his life by many years took a mental toll on him and he forgot his original intention. His wish then turned to an obsession for immortality.

[@matthewschipper7852]

As an anime watcher, it'd be interesting to see an in-depth analysis of which parts of the VN stayed and which were altered/cut. I remember seeing a little bit of the alter fight online a while back in which shirou was actually more involved in fighting her directly (memory could be wrong but idk) Though in terms of the movie itself i went in knowing little which i think made my viewing more enjoyable. Aside from the very beginning, the majority of the start did seem kind of sluggish, but i feel it may have been intentional, an emphasis on the "Calm before the storm". Also, Kiritsugu's monologue was pretty interesting but also kind of dragged me out from the story a bit? Oh and my favorite scene though would 100% be Shirou catching up with Archer in that sand storm.

[@NeNeiSan]

I have thought about making a video comparing and contrasting the VN and anime, it would be fun to make. The problem is I would have to reread the VN again to make sure I don't miss out on anything. That Emiya scene was amazing, a great call back to how the UBW anime ended.

[@djantouahmed7319]

@@NeNeiSan Please do I would love to see that

[@Heroikira0]

What were those little black minions and why was one still hanging around in the end? The thing that made itself clothes for sakura.

[@NeNeiSan]

They aren't really explained even in the VN (I may have forgotten, but I'm pretty sure they didn't explain it). They are just an army Sakura uses to combat Rin. As for why one stayed in the end, that is something anime original with no explanation.

[@Heroikira0]

@@NeNeiSan Yea the best I could find was an example from the second movie when they danced on shinjis body. Someone said essentially it was showing the grail take over sakura and the one that got kicked to the side was what was left of her. Which makes sense as it was only one at the end of the movie but also doesn't because she never truly was lost 100%.

[@NeNeiSan]

@@Heroikira0 That's some meaningful symbolism there.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

@@NeNeiSan they are remnants of sakuras imaginary element(her origin). When sakura became one with mango it brought out her origin which is why those shadowmen took the form of darkness that they did. When sakura was cut off from mango that one piece remained from her original magical potential because she still is a vessel for the grail even if it is sealed away

[@NeNeiSan]

@@MrInuhanyou123 Thank you, glad to have context for what those are now.

[@sixtne]

great movie, spilled my drink at the fight against saber alter. I haven't read the novel so the ending was a bit confusing especially the part with shirou's body. Luckily reddit solved those problems.

[@NeNeiSan]

That fight was absolutely stunning, probably one of the best visually pleasing fights in anime right now.

[@sixtne]

@@NeNeiSan especially the ending where they combo'd their noble phantasms

[@NeNeiSan]

@@sixtne Such a beautiful moment. Can't wait to rewatch that scene.

[@DuharaNirwan-yz8pe]

I just watched this masterpiece now ❤️ But I think if the movie was 3 hours it would be great

[@jerraldgarrido9289]

Is shirou has been summoned as a heroic spirit at the end?

[@ZFAIRGENTLEMAN]

*man i only hope sakura will be ok*

[@dhruvsoni4676]

can you tell me what happened to shirou at end? did he die? or what was the puppet that looked like him at the ending ?

[@NeNeiSan]

Illya used the Third Magic and displacement magecraft to put Shirou's soul into a container. Rider later found that container and Rin brought it to a mage, Touko Aozaki (Kara No Kyoukai), who specializes in making dolls. They had the soul transplanted into the doll, and overtime the doll began to take shape into the Shirou we see at the end of the film.

[@lyrasunshard3769]

I somewhat agree. This issue is also described in the case files of Lord el melloi the 2nd I had background info from playing fgo, and reading stuff, so my experience was very enjoyable

[@rinny5500]

Indeed. Fgo is a good "backup"

[@yurineri2227]

for me it was the perfect adaptation, being honest I think I like the movie even more than the vn

[@samweltan3353]

I have watched the movie but haven't gone all the way with the VN, I must say I still enjoyed it. It sucks that people are too intimidated with the watch order of Fate and they're missing this great story because of that. For the standouts in the movie itself: •Shirou vs Herc And Kirei vs Zouken and Hassan were my favorites. •Zouken wasn't explored much • Rider despite being a badass, the still didn't give much to flesh her out. •That Sakura/Rin moment didn't hit as much emotional buttons in me that it should've had. I saw the light novel counterpart in yt and I teared up there, but maybe that just because I've already seen it idk. Anyways, still a good film.

[@NeNeiSan]

Hopefully, if Ufotabe remakes the Fate route that will make the watch order not as daunting.

[@Shikabeast12]

Where can I watch it

[@guidomista559]

As a anime only. I would say the movie is very solid and concluded the series quite well. My only gripes would be that the third act was way cramped with three major conflicts (Rider Vs Salter, Rin vs Sakura and Shirou vs Kirei) happening at the same time. This made the conflict between Shirou and Kirei get overlooked a bit. But overall a good film 9/10

[@jorgehfn]

The are some shots of Saber Alter vs Rider that are not in the movie (4:54, 5:16), where are they from?

[@NeNeiSan]

They are from the Fate/Stay Night VN opening for Heaven's Feel kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIeuoHqKoc-Hha8

[@jorgehfn]

@@NeNeiSan thank you for the information

[@NeNeiSan]

@@jorgehfn You're welcome!

[@allenromero5567]

How do I read the visual novel

[@NeNeiSan]

You can use this tutorial download it kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6bZn5moZ7CKjac&has_verified=1

[@bloodyclaws]

the issues laid out in this video seems to be an issue with adaptations of anything from a written source material filled with detailed explanations. Whether it be books or VN eg. lord of the rings. Those mediums translate very differently in motion. When animated, One cannot just simply "explain" like you can with novels or you just disrupt the flow. Its a fundamentally different set of rules. Unfortunately, this is the best we will ever get in regards to the limitations between novel and animation and I am thankful that the adaptations exists regardless. Fate suffers from just not being easy to follow due to the complexity of its concepts/explanations and thus not easily adaptable fully. That's hard adapt in a "show don't tell" style of storytelling that is generally praised when it comes to live action/motion series.

[@NeNeiSan]

Most of my issues really boiled down to either setting my expectations too high, or pretty important things not being explained properly. If the film was just a bit longer, I feel it could have been a lot better. As an adaptation, it did reasonably well with its run time, and even adds upon things certain things.

[@ken-yo2hz]

This doesn’t mean it’s impossible. Steins;Gate manages to pull a perfect adaptation. Ufotable is just lazy.

[@pandecanela3312]

Could someone explain the ending to me? the truth was I had doubts about what happened with shirou and illya

[@NeNeiSan]

Illya sacrificed herself to use the Third Magic to put Shirou's soul into a container, which is later found by Rider. Rin then takes Shirou's soul to put into a doll made by the mage Touko Aozaki.

[@pandecanela3312]

@@NeNeiSan thx mate

[@NeNeiSan]

@@pandecanela3312 No problem

[@jatingurav4071]

How was rider medusa still alve after the holy grail war ?

[@rinny5500]

My assumption: Rider was never actually defeated in battle and also never used up too much mana like saber did with Excalibur at the end of fate UBW. Which probably leaves Sakura able to still properly supply her with mana. Something "Similar" happened in the special extra episode of unlimited blade works called "A sunny day"

[@banjirjir7519]

there is 2 way to make servant to stay after war.......

[@rinny5500]

@@banjirjir7519 which are?

[@rinny5500]

@@banjirjir7519 one of them to continue supplying mana?

[@hamouiaem5090]

Sakura is a grail so she kept rider alive

[@dodobird809]

were they limited in movie time? 2 hrs is kinda short for alot of story

[@NeNeiSan]

It was an odd decision, especially since Heaven's Feel is a 20-25 hour long story.

[@angelcortes3485]

I hope that they will make sparks liner high adaptation with the bluray

[@343JustMe]

the biggest thing for me was how (SPOILERS) Shirou just disappearing after wishing for life from illya (idk where the hell she came from but i explained it to myself by saying that it doesnt matter cause shes the holy grail) and then all of a sudden he comes back. They didnt explain it at all and i was just sitting there confused, i think it was the biggest part of the movie left unanswered but i have many more other minor questions which stopped this movie from being my favourite heavens feel movie (still remains Heavens Feel 2).

[@mananghildiyal2675]

That's the thing dude, I also want answers about this

[@Tosu2357]

I get what u mean about cut content, especially with content. I feel like the movie sort of expects viewers to have at least seen UBW, maybe Zero (Perhaps love Fate enough to fall down the rabbit hole that is the wiki 😂😂😂) . It's kinda understandable tho since its 3 movies.

[@qazentro4444]

While I gotta wait for the blu rays, I'm looking forward to seeing all of those scenes animated, even if they did leave out the important monologue before Shirou and Kirei duke it out, but ah well. I'm still hype for both this and Camelot (despite many people clamoring about it's shorter run time).

[@NeNeiSan]

I'm really looking forward to the Camelot movies, just hope they don't get delayed.

[@qazentro4444]

@@NeNeiSan Same.

[@scares3859]

The fact that Rin could have OHKO-ed Sakura there but she didn't which is what I liked.

[@boomstick_jones]

Some minor observations to add: this is the only route without This Illusion in it (barring the UBW movie), but that EMIYA was a nice touch along with the track before it being based from To the Beginning. This is also a route where I found no meme-able lines :( Also, I think the fistfight focused more on the discussion than the intensity of the fight itself. I noticed this preference when discussions happen during fights in ufotable works, even DEEN's. I reckon this is an instruction from Type-Moon itself. I'm excited for this series' future. I hope ufotable adapts the Fate route. Probably for the next anniversary milestone of Type-Moon?

[@NeNeiSan]

I can see how the fight focused on the dialogue rather than spectacle. I guess my expectations is what killed it for me. I am curious to see what Type-Moon x Ufotable series is next. While the Fate route is probably the most needed, I would like Hollow Ataraxia. Mostly out of curiosity of how they handle something like that.

[@boomstick_jones]

@@NeNeiSan Hollow Ataraxia would be best after the Fate route. They know we need that Kaleido Ruby so bad. If they would do the Fate route, my sole wish is to bring back Kenji Kawai and Sachi Tainaka for extreme nostalgia factor.

[@NeNeiSan]

@@boomstick_jones That would be amazing, Kenji Kawaii was the main reason I liked the Deen adaptation.

[@dashi3l]

I watched the first airing in AUS last week and it was so good

[@asaelesteban4447]

As a anime only watcher. I did not like this trilogy whatsoever

[@arowmorth]

Make sense, huh.

[@modeloman4568]

Can someone tell me how the hell shirou comes back in the end

[@NeNeiSan]

Illya used the Third Magic on Shirou to place his soul in a container. That container was later found by Rider and Rin went to a mage, Touko Aozaki, that specializes in making realistic dolls. They are able to transfer Shirou's soul into the doll and overtime the doll changes into the Shirou we see at the end of the film.

[@modeloman4568]

@@NeNeiSan oh ok I see that makes a lot more sense. I should really read the vn lol

[@NeNeiSan]

@@modeloman4568 I highly recommend it, just watch out for the slow start.

[@gabixgamer8321]

where can I watch the movie?

[@NeNeiSan]

It just stopped being available in theaters, at least in the US. The only way to really watch it is to find a camrip somewhere, unless you wait for the Blu-Rays to release on March 31.

[@ShiningBOT]

Having watched only UBL before Heaven's Feel I was completely confused by the lore of the story and got lost in plot details. Great action and animation but I can't say it went much beyond that, for me.

[@dantetoninirodriguez5630]

Which ending is this? Normal, Bad Or true?

[@NeNeiSan]

They followed the true ending.

[@dantetoninirodriguez5630]

@@NeNeiSan thanks

[@RohitRoy-of5pz]

How is shirou is alive in the ending....... Rin said that his body has disappeared...... Please explain 🙏🙏🙏

[@NeNeiSan]

Illya used the Third Magic on Shirou to place his soul in a container. That container was later found by Rider and Rin went to a mage, Touko Aozaki, that specializes in making realistic dolls. They are able to transfer Shirou's soul into the doll and overtime the doll changes into the Shirou we see at the end of the film.

[@divi_ne5177]

I’ve watched fate zero, UBW, and the 3 heaven’s feel movies. I could really use some help if someone explained to me why after UBW where Rin and Shirou lived happily together on England, suddenly the timeline goes back and everything on UBW was like it never happened... Can someone please enlighten me???

[@NeNeiSan]

Fate/Stay Night is based on a visual Novel, where throughout you make choices that alter the storyline. UBW and Heaven's Feel are completely different story paths that are both cannon, as they can be considered parallel worlds.

[@Neo-fu6rk]

Great video! 've only watched the main fate entries (zero,ubw,hf) but I definitely agree with what you said. I thought a lot of things should've gotten more time to be further explained. I think I might go play the visual novel now that I've finished all the anime that are currently out for stay night.

[@NeNeiSan]

I highly recommend it, it's a great read.

[@PurpleRupees]

As a new fan who got into Fate through the VN, hearing that a lot is cut makes me wonder if buying these blu rays is worth it since they aren't on any streaming service.

[@NeNeiSan]

If you're unsure whether you would like the adaptations or not, I wouldn't recommend buying them. They are a bit overpriced, and if it's something you aren't going to enjoy, no need to spend money on it.

[@jorgeurquidi2752]

Where can I buy the blue rays of the past 2 movies

[@NeNeiSan]

You can buy them at rightstufanime.com

[@lupurobert3178]

Is hf 3 online? It is not running in any cinema in my country...

[@NeNeiSan]

The only way you would be able to watch it now is by watching camrips. If you want to see it in full HD the Blu-Rays will become available on March 31.