Hedonites of Slaanesh 2023 Battletome Preview

[@tonycurtis4282]

Great review Coach. I'm looking to build this army as I simply love the mortal figures. I'm going to watch all your videos on the Hedonites before I do.

[@ianponting782]

Needing to wait 3 days to see this is the sort of teasing that Slaanesh intended. Praise be.

[@AoSCoach]

What would Slaanesh be without pleasure and pain

[@WoedeRavage]

Really looking forward to this review!

[@frogking5618]

You sound like Pim from smiling friends, respectfully

[@TheDob5880]

I'm really new to aos...haven't purchased my first model yet...can I run mortals and daemons togather or is it better to focus one or the other ...I'm torn between hedonites and slaves to darkness

[@AoSCoach]

You absolutely can run a combination of mortals and daemons. You will find some of the rules will only benefit one side (mortals or daemons).

[@cmleibenguth]

That Temptation Dice mechanic is pure trolling 5+ ward on 400 PT 16 wound keeper... Looking at you SCE big 500+ pt dragons with no ward *glares* Seems like a good glow up for Slaanesh

[@toro132]

Yes,its a joke as a supposed glass cannon army as slanesh have been made one of the more tanky armys of the aos now, a armywide -1 to hit and 5++ is beyond broken and worse because with this new book slanesh can get easily 40 depravity each turn

[@ands1983]

@@toro132 I think you'll find it a lot harder than you think 😊

[@ands1983]

It's not like they just auto give you 36dp. The opponent has a lot to say.

[@toro132]

@@ands1983 oh is true,better getting a ton on mortals each turn than give it free depravity

[@thetaomegatheta]

@@toro132 How are you getting 40 depravity each turn?

[@aregeonargo8648]

Isn't warlord supreme + strength of godhood something that requires immediate errata? Keeper of Secrets or one of the Chariots can get easiely +12 to rend and dmg right now.

[@kistefriends6376]

Excatly this. Read it like 100 Times, in this wording, its busted as fuck. Needs a "Once per Turn" line. Otherwise + X Rend and + Damage on all Melee Profiles , blows my calculator out the window.

[@AoSCoach]

Its very possible… as a preview I call out what it is at the time but I can see both being changed… but I also thought they would change some of the Squig rules that didn’t… so 🤷

[@kistefriends6376]

@@AoSCoach yes we all think some squigs need a Balance bat 😅 but lucky for them , last FAQ they barely Touch them. Good for my Friends gitz, kinda "uff" for my Units getting smacked 😁 use all OP Things till they Nerf 😁 #fundetected

[@NexUtInfinitus]

Keep it secret, keep it safe

[@jthomas7453]

​@@kistefriends6376 I feel like once per turn would kill it on any unit other than like, contorted epitome. It does say until the end of the turn, so I imagine RAI it's supposed to be once per phase, they probably meant only the first command. It will still be exceptionally strong, but certainly not overpowered purely because the units you can put it on all have limits. Lord of pain/hubris have 6" move, you can run around that, keepers can easily be shot off the board turn 1, contorted epitome has no durability, much riskier etc.

[@francoislokieris3250]

"excess of violence" of KoS, if i have 2 KoS, can i make twice in the game? i dont think in the same turn but in another turn ?

[@jthomas7453]

Really want to start putting together some lists, but I'm going to wait for an FAQ. Pretenders has some gamebreaking abilities with the command trait, phantasmagoria + lord of hubris, etc. But I'm very excited

[@AoSCoach]

It’s always a risk to buy powerful units before an FAQ so it’s wise if you wait… or jump in if you love the model

[@olafolafsson2755]

I would like to play a Keeper of Secrets or shalaxi, they seem fun enough in this new book but Damn Glutos looks so strong... He is comparable to a Frostlord with 2 casts... Also the Chariot + new shenanigans is such a Glass cannon deathstar unit. But everythin in one list is just too expensive XD My head explodes ^^

[@Fotta1989]

Thanks, Coach!

[@thomasmcbryde5980]

Pretenders definitely seem like the build around. Phantasmagoria is great!

[@yves-sketchpleb]

wow, I'm with you Coach, that tempatation of slaasnesh rule making me want to play that army, thematic and fun!

[@AoSCoach]

Yeah mate it's such a great mechanic... something that suits my playstyle for sure

[@Alamn420]

Thank you

[@AoSCoach]

My pleasure Alamn

[@jauneork278]

Everyone in my Community who had a hedonites army dropped them after this book came out. I don't understand why.

[@AoSCoach]

The book ended up being very skewed towards Pretenders. People want to use more of a mixed arms force but sadly it turned into blissbarb archer spam

[@SafetyBriefer]

Great overview.

[@AoSCoach]

Thanks boss

[@imbacookiemonster]

can anyone tell me what battleline options we have?

[@jthomas7453]

Seekers, blissbarbs archers, daemonettes and hellstriders are all battleline. I BELIEVE (anyone correct me if I'm wrong) painbringers and twinsouls are battleline with a lord of pain or lord of hubris general.

[@Minteth]

@@jthomas7453 Hellstriders are only battleline if general is mortal - the rest is all correct

[@switterbeet40K]

does the invaders battle trait chain every time someone performs a heroic action? like if my first hero does one, and the second hero chains, can i also chain onto the third hero? i'm not sure with how it is worded.

[@arpeh]

"In addition roll a dice each time you pick a friendly Invaders Hero to carry out a heroic action. On a 2+ you can pick 1 other eligible Invaders Hero on the battlefield to also carry out that heroic action." to me cuz of the "each time" you can give the heroic action to everyone until u miss the 2+

[@mikelavigne1370]

Great review coach. Comments for the comment god.

[@AoSCoach]

Appreciate your great sacrifice Mike

[@toro132]

This book seems busted and overpower as goblins have been,have too much buffs and debuffs and too much easy to do and without restrictions. Very easily a armywide +1 hit,+1 wound,-1(or -2)hit,5++ and the worse easy acess to extra 1 and even 2 rend(- save to units that is the same than rend) and this together undercosted units as blisbarbs archers that have better stats than units of 170 points but cost 150 makes this book a top tier to the level of goblins and both gonna need huge nerfs soon

[@AoSCoach]

There are a few potential nerfs coming but I want to see how the temptation dice go in the wild..

[@takeovermars]

I do not like the change to the summoning chart and euphoric killers but I don't hate it either. As a true follower I'm super excited for this book we have so many cool things to play with now! Can't wait to play them!

[@AoSCoach]

It feels to me like they want to you summon less and lean more into the Revel of Depravity

[@alexbathgate1520]

Awsome will see how well we can make the new book work

[@palykillu]

Man seeing that both the new chaos books being able to take coalition but my Barak-Thryng Kharadron can no longer take coalition makes me sad. Great coverage as always coach.

[@AoSCoach]

Cheers mate. Perhaps they are winding back Coalition in Order... making it a Chaos heavy ability. Guess we'll have to see what they do to Cities of Sigmar

[@savardmike]

The new depravity system, while fun for the interaction, is completely unreliable for the HoS. Your opponent has almost complete control over how much depravity will you get. Sure enough refusing to take the dices will have you take mortal wounds, but there are plenty of ways to mitigate those and preventing your opponent from reaching those critical steps of 12-24-36 will hurt him much more than taking that d3 mortal wound will be. I like the interactivity, but I dont think the trade off for refusing is harsh enough.

[@AoSCoach]

Guess it depends where you are offering the dice. Can I afford to take the D3 mortal wounds each time… how you use it will be critical to your successes and failures

[@meezith1418]

So are you just ignoring euphoric killers?

[@savardmike]

@@meezith1418 Not really. Euphoric can be good or can be terrible. Assuming you are able to charge something turn one you could get something our of it. Chances are you wont however if your opponent know what he is doing. He can either bait you with a sacrificial unit (that has a low wound count) for counter-charge or just stay out of your range. On his turn your opponent does not have to care about Euphoric killer since it only applies on your combat phase. Make it work in both played combat phases to give your opponent something to think about and know were talking. Again I dislike how the mechanic feels like the power is in your opponents hands on whether or not you are getting your points.

[@ands1983]

They are exactly very vulnerable to the opponent's choice aside of the fact that it's a d6 meaning you will roll some 1s and 2s which will screw you over. It should be 2d3 DP to at least avarage something worth it. Ward saves can basically cancel the effect.

[@jthomas7453]

Just have sacrifice units to generate depravity in the combat phase if you're scared of your opponent denying you your temptation dice

[@joshsmith1179]

❤I am so excited about what I've seen so far. I haven't even fielded Synessa or Dexcessa yet, and they might be viable now! The depravity dice mechanics are inspired! ALL HAIL THE LORD/ LADY OF EXCESS!

[@AoSCoach]

Synessa and Dexcessa are in a funny spot at the moment. I'm not sure if I would run them over the other units... they still have play and I love the models

[@joshsmith1179]

@AoS Coach Agreed. Synessa was fun in some cases, but Dexcessa never really seemed to... fit. Ithink she needs to either hit harder or give buffs to units. But yes, I was mostly frustrated because I wanted to show off the models! Lol. They're great!

[@sururu6]

is fun how idoneth auras were useless, ignoring rangeds and mount and being only for baldys or nobles. people argued that it was because reavers were too strong. but..... now slanesh reavers. i mean blisbarbs have same stats for 20p cheaper and have hundred of auras and buffs afecting them, like + hit or -2 armor making them a 3 rend unit fir dirty cheap....

[@AoSCoach]

I honestly don’t recall the Revers part. They did have 3 shots each which got crazy at times

[@alanwesley598]

Mm we'll see when it goes on the table. I knew some of the pts were gonna go up but Shalaxi and Kos still don't seem right.

[@ands1983]

No they will have to rely hard on the rest of the army if they can even be used.

[@AoSCoach]

I can see the arguement that they can go down but there are a lot of strong boosts to KoS so it's hard to gauge where the right points are for them. 400 is alot... but it did get boosted

[@Juicyjim57]

Love the theme and aesthetic. Hated the first two books. This looks soo fun. Definitely makes me want to get painting up that horde I've been picking up on the cheap since the last release. Not sure that I prefer the more restricted subfactions compared to other 3.0 books. They are definitely strong and thematic, but I'm hoping the army builds allow enough variety to keep it interesting. Not a real complaint, mostly curious to see how the options shake out.

[@AoSCoach]

I think you will see more list diversity just because we've seen more units glow up. A strong build will emerge but it won't be a set of auto include units

[@takeovermars]

LETS GO SLAANESH!!!!

[@olafolafsson2755]

After all these month/years - can I finally play my HoS without this bad feelin that they suck and other battletomes are just better?

[@comrademiku854]

first 3 abilities can be seen on warhammer community

[@AoSCoach]

Hopefully they’ve paid for their sins of the past with this update

[@robertreimers6938]

@@AoSCoach if they dont FAQ strength from Godhood really really soon, then the sins of the past will be nothing to the sins of the present!

[@sururu6]

now you will feel bad like slanesh in 2.0 because it is way too strong than most of armys, and will feel bad stomping them haha

[@olafolafsson2755]

@@sururu6 its pretty strong I completely agree. But is it really that op? Your enemy can still deny you depravity. And when you get striked hard in the first 2 rounds it can be quite tough imo. But only theorycraft. Perhaps it's op xD

[@LeonBleak]

The army was extremely weak, so they buff it, but then increase points cost (some highly) across the board so that non of the buff help? what's even the point with gw testers

[@AoSCoach]

Firstly, the warscrolls improved and so did the allegiance which is a good thing... if the points are too high they can always bring it down. I'd rather that than a bad warscroll

[@olafolafsson2755]

The new alligience abilites go hand in hand with the new warscolls. if you play 5 painbringer 145 with a 5+ ward, 6 hit mortals, - 1 to get hit - thats quite a strong general unit!

[@jnesis555]

This isn’t a buff. This is a mechanics rework. The mechanics in the previous edition were do dense that it led to exhaustion for long term play. Hedonites were still playable before, they just required more finesse and being cheap about how you gained Depravity. This rework resolves much of the complexity that plagued Hedonites before.

[@LeonBleak]

@@AoSCoach I agree, points cost is easier to patch and more convenient for us all but I dislike when a new book needs a patch 2 weeks after release. But I may be wrong, I ain't no AoS coach :D