Helicopter Turbine Engines - One of the Best Sounds in the World!

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

In the USA turbine is pronounced more like 'turban'. And as the USA is where I live and work that is why I pronounce it as 'turban'. See here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4OxqqSnZqt-eck

[@anteconfig5391]

I'm from the US I've heard turban used many times but I've always called it a turbine. I don't exactly know why.

[@heathpilkington1977]

I have the Turbine start up as my ring tone and agree its one of the best sounds or buzz's when you hear that inital whine all the way through to full introduced. I can't wait for the day I get my license, another great video guys.

[@erik1tennant]

Don’t set that as your ringtone, you’ll never pick up the phone!

[@vdotme]

Congratulations. You are the first person to explain how a helicopter engine works in a way that my brain can absorb. Now I'm gonna run around pretending I'm clever and know this kind of stuff. ;)

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

LOL you are welcome!

[@JD2010whisperer]

This presentation is clean. The engine diagram shown looks like a very simple engine. Better than most common dual shaft set ups.

[@JD2010whisperer]

Very tough question. The free shaft is basically the replacement for the high speed section of standard aviation. Providing your bearings do not seize up, and you don't jam the throttle any turbine engine is good. Heat has always been a problem. Application is the subject to answer what you're asking. Purpose is everything!

[@JD2010whisperer]

It's all good here. I am in the process of manufacturing my own engines. My first prototype is nearly complete. Most people don't even care. It's all about touch screens and drama on tv. You learn by asking.

[@JD2010whisperer]

Life begins outside of your comfort zone. So said some philosopher or someone :/

[@tasercs]

Agreed, one of, if not the best sounds in aviation. And the JetRanger is simply a classic in all respects.

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

I got back to flying this exact helicopter a few weeks back - I don't really miss the 206 especially, but I did enjoy it!

[@badcompany-w6s]

Yes. Love that sound. The first time I got to see one starting up in person was a Life flight helicopter when I worked at our airport.

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

It always makes me smile

[@micstonemic696stone]

I also very much enjoy hearing like RR allison 250 and the P & W PT6 gas turbo shaft types these engines are quite an old design but proven types thanks for making this video

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Yeah great sounds!

[@elunico13]

I've just started flying helicopters and my trainer is a Bell 206. This video has helped me understand a lot. I only have 8 hrs total time so helicopters and turbine engines are all new to me. Thanks for sharing!

[@brandonconnelly6798]

A bell 206 😂😂😂😂😂

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Thanks - how is flying going?

[@elunico13]

@@HelicopterTrainingVideos Great! This was a long time ago. I'm a UH60 Blackhawk pilot now with some amazing life-long memories. My favorite has been my time flying humanitarian missions in Central America. Very fulfilling. My longest cross country flights in a Blackhawk were from Fairbanks, AK through Canada to Kentucky and another trip to California. Great views when the whole route is flown at about 300' AGL.

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

@@elunico13 That is amazing!

[@sarahcox2957]

Great simple straight forward explanation. My 10yo and 7yo understood this completely as I was watching this for homework.

[@martinschwingeler1350]

Sarah Cox is d

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

That is awesome! Did they become pilots?

[@unknowkskills87]

Hey!!! Good Ol' CF! I flew her when I went to flight school at LEA! Small world!

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

What year?

[@unknowkskills87]

@@HelicopterTrainingVideos JAN 18-DEC 2019

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

@@unknowkskills87 Ah yeah I missed you there. Where did you go after?

[@unknowkskills87]

@@HelicopterTrainingVideos Im down in Florida flying tours for Panhandle Helicopters. The company just acquired a 66, which is why Im hip deep in review for Turbines. Your video was concise and full of solid information to get me back on the path! Thanks man! Did you just finish Commercial and did some Turbine time? Or were you doing something else with LEA?

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

@@unknowkskills87 Congratulations on the Tour gig!! Probably a bit slow right now with COVID I imagine? Nice to get into an R66 - not flown one, but have friends who all like it. I did turbine and longline training thinking it would affect my job opportunities. For my path it did not, as my next job after instructing was in EC130s and AS350s in the Grand Canyon and they give all new hires full turbine transition training. It was a (expensive) blast though!

[@Adzer2k10]

very helpful as im writing up a college report on gas turbine systems and have to investigate these systems in helicopters. thumbs up

[@davidwallace5738]

Got to love Thursdays!

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Thank you!

[@khadijagwen]

Thank you so much. This answers questions that I have had for a long time.

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

You are welcome!

[@giovannimarquescosta1239]

You rock! Thanks for this video!

[@S.s.s_88]

Coolest sound ever

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Yes!

[@descent8275]

thanks for the big AHA!

[@fairnut6418]

the only explanation of heli engine i found

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Hope it helps

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

In the Bell 206 it is at the top, behind the main rotor mast - google search "engine compartment bell 206" and look at the images. I'm not sure I understand your second question - the front blades of a turbine are compressor blades - they pull in air and compress it to be used in the combustion process.

[@Giogalindo33]

Incredible videos. Thank you guys

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Thank you!

[@maleeshahettige9332]

good explanation .....................

[@robertdufresne9195]

After watching these videos, I'm hoked on choppers. 🇨🇦 .

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Go try a discovery flight!

[@heliflightsjeff3741]

Great Video!!

[@c.nielsen4178]

So cool! Thanks from Canada! 🇨🇦

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Thank you Canada!

[@mtcondie]

I saw the tail number on the helicopter (N319CF) and I thought it looked familiar. So, I checked my log book, lo and behold, I flew that same helicopter for long line training. Then I thought to myself... The person who made this video sounds English and has flown the same helicopter as me...hmm...who could this be? This person could only be Eggy Toast! Great video and explanation of how helicopter turboshaft engines work.

[@JayBunning]

Hey! How you doing??

[@mtcondie]

Eggy Toast! Im doing good. I worked as a sub-sea remote operated vehicle (ROV) pilot for a few years doing work on sub-sea oil/gas machinery in South America. (It sounds cool but, it was super lame) I am going to school full time, working on a bachelor's degree for UAVs. I talked to River a few weeks ago. River got a full time job (40+ hours of flight time a week) where he lives, doing helicopter logging/areal firefighting as PIC in a Bell 206L4. He got hired with just over 500 hours of PIC for that job! He said his job was a " right place, right time" situation. Pretty cool! Also, with current flight ratings, you can go to www.faasafety.gov and get a commercial Part 107 UAV endorsement on your license by clicking though some power point presentations. Its super easy, like an hour to get though the presentations. For an hour of your time, you will get an endorsement to fly drones commercially! How are you guys doing? What are you up too? I have not heard from Charles in a long, long while...I bet you have my email address somewhere in the archives of your inbox.

[@lanceroark6386]

I think that this is the coolest thread I've ever read on KZbin.

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

LOL thank you!

[@donjustin4775]

Hay Man from an r22 ppl point of view this is a fantastic video!!!! Well done

[@Aluminata]

One of the coolest sounds...but the coolest it the melodious rhythm of wop wopping rotor blades - embedded in the full throated growling roar of the turbines. Business in action transitioning to poetry in motion!

[@petrucioci07]

Thanks for explaining the system

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

You are welcome

[@jackryanproperty]

good day, first of all great video, but one thing I've noticed, you have marked the injector and igniter in the wrong way around, injector would be centre of the combustion chamber. Thank you

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Thank you

[@jameskennethflynn]

Turbin?

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Turbin/Turbine/Turban ;-)

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

It is not too dissimilar to the layout of an Allison 250 C30 used in some Bell 206s. Search google images for "Allison 250 C30 Engine" for a nice color-coded diagram - the layout looks almost identical to the one used in the FAA book.

[@pradeepspatil4406]

that's what I need to understand thanks 😊🤔😊😊😄

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

You are welcome

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Comment from Mike Franz: Just watched your turbine engine video. It is well done but you label the fuel nozzle and igniter in the reverse positions. It is incorrect in the FAAa handbook also. The upper is the fuel nozzle, the lower the igniter plug. During preflight you can follow the fuel line to the rear of the burner can and the igniter lead from the igniter box to the plug.

[@aarondsouza9707]

thnx

[@Pedrorodrigues3986]

i know it may sound like another dumb question but the start it's made from an a electrical engine or its just burns and spins the rotors?

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

+Pedro D Electric powered starter motor.

[@aarondsouza9707]

how exactly is the engine placed in the helicopter . And in some the front blade of the jet engine is used to spin the the helicopter blades is the mechanism same in all helicopters?

[@helicopterovirtual-msfs6254]

Show 👏

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Thanks

[@StrsAmbrg]

What I understood from your explanation is that turboprop, turbofan, and turboshaft are using the same turbine mechanism, which the thing make different is in the connection to the fan/propeller. Turbofan is connected to a ducted fan, turboprop is connected to a propeller and turboshaft is almost the same with the turboprop but turboshaft is connected to a rotor. Am I correct?

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Pretty much

[@NorthForkFisherman]

The only thing I'd add to that is that the Fan in a turbofan is freewheeling and the shafts in gas turboshafts go through a free-wheel unit to ensure the rotor or prop stays moving even if the engine dies.

[@pangpengmaster]

Well I think I have a question. Is the combustion inside the turbine continous or happens in a cycle? Thanks

[@CUBETechie]

didn't the exhaust gases have also kinetic energy which could be used for more torque?

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

I guess not enough to make any real difference - the energy has already been 'harvested' as they went through the turbines.

[@nikolayzorenko9947]

I have been searching stereo sound of helicopter flown overhead fast in Internet for free for couple of years . Would you refer where i could download sound that starts this video ?

[@utbdoug]

Is there any kind of clutch assembly that can/has been engage/disengage the rotors but keep the engine burning?

[@utbdoug]

Sam Thanks very much Sam! That was everything I needed to know :) My lust for rotary knowledge continues!

[@gregorypowell8297]

The rotors/ reduction gearbox or power takeoff is from the Lo turbine (n2) and NOT from the Hp turbine!! Engine ( gas generator) will continue to run with no unnecessary clutch!!!!!

[@nickm3930]

Why is the combustion chamber behind the turbine on this engine? Cooling of the combustion chamber? And why is the turbine called N1? I'm used airplane turbofan engines on airplanes where N1 is the fan.

[@rileykirk11]

+Nick M I have no idea why but if i could guess it would be so that the fuel/air mix has more room to expand. by rooting it backwards and stuff they allow for more expansion witout making the turboshaft really big. But im only 15 so what do i know lol

[@jugosever]

I have a question about turbine blades. What are they made of ? Steel, aluminum oxide, silicon nitride, .....?

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

+jugosever I have been told steel would melt and titanium would oxidize too quickly so the answer is usually nickel alloys or ceramics. You'd have to speak to a manufacturer to get the specifics.

[@ayoubelharrat4851]

+jugosever for the first stage turbine generally low alloy cobalt and nickel and nickel alloy the second floor

[@totoritko]

+jugosever You got it almost exactly right. It's a typically high nickel steel alloy and sometimes they're also ceramic coated.

[@satipsrl5207]

hastelloy , nimonic, inconel alloy steels very hard to work with cutting tools , usually are casten by investment casting then refined by 5 axis mill & grinding machines , radiographic control and more...,electron beam welding of the hub in some cases

[@edgarxavier493]

Does this engine have an air starter to provide the initial air to start on the ground?

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

This model uses an electric starter/generator

[@NorthForkFisherman]

larger models like the CH-47 and UH-60 use an APU for bleed air starting as well as additional electrical power to start their mains.

[@Napoleon_Blownapart]

sounds like a gas water heater firing up xD

[@francisconti9085]

Ah, yes.. tic--tic-tic-tic-tic-wwHIRRRRR.. "PEOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE-WOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHH...zing, zing...zing..zing-ZING..rrrrrrrrr, rrrrrrrr, rrrrrrr-rrrrrr-rrrRR-RRRR...fwip, fwip, fwip..FWIP -BIP-BIP-BIP-BOP-BOP-BOP.... "WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" (as pilot exhales while disengaging starter after reaching self sustaining idle without exceeding temp limits..) 🗣🤞😐🔥⚠️😐👌✅♾👌✅😄✅✅✅✅✅✅🎯...😁👍.."🚁"! (Couldn't resist!🤣)

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

LOL yes

[@digfire1]

what helicopter actually uses that engine that is shown in the FAA book? i only see different kinds of turboshafts on helicopters

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

I think it is supposed to be a RR 250 like the one used in Bell 206

[@wantmp3]

How fast does the N2 Power Turbine usually spin?

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

I don't know TBH

[@sebastiendenodrest9672]

Hello, I'm afraid the first Gaz Turbine Helicopter flight was in April 18th 1951 in Vélizy France, driven by a Turbomeca Artouste engine. Regards.

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Thanks!

[@piotrlenarczyk5803]

Why those engines are not liquid-cooled ( more weight, but smaller parts of turbine, and better heat exchange efficiency )? N1 and N2 could not be used as contrarotary sections of inlet compressor?

[@MrMrsirr]

Did he say in the video that they aren't liquid cooled? I was of the impression that at least some parts of them are liquid cooled, but I could just be thinking of the lubrication system.

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Weight

[@slippypasta4727]

So it basically works like a turbo? Or am I getting something wrong here?

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

+Chris Karpos The compressor stage does

[@totoritko]

+Chris Karpos Yep, very close. A turbocharger is essentially sorta like a tiny turbine engine with a piston engine shoved in between the compressor and turbine section. The thermodynamical difference is that a piston engine extracts all of its useful power from the gas flow before it reaches the turbine section, whereas a turbine engine either uses another (power-extraction) turbine section downstream from the turbine driving the compressor, or the same turbine that drives the compressor also extracts energy to drive the load, or if it's a turbojet engine, there is no more energy being extracted from the gas flow, and it is instead accelerated in a propulsive nozzle to provide thrust from the engine. Frequently turbine engines use a combination of several of these propulsive methods. For example a GE CT7 turboprop engine has a free power turbine stage downstream of the gas generator turbine to extract power to drive a propeller (which provides the bulk of the thrust from the engine), but any residual energy in the exhaust is also accelerated in a narrow exhaust duct and accelerated rearwards to provide a little extra thrust and propulsive efficiency.

[@sanfranciscobay]

Here is another video of what I think may be the best sounding turbine start I've found so far: Very Cool Turbine Start - Bell 206 Jet Ranger Startup

[@sunkuramit7649]

The First Turbine Engine Helicopter was made in France by aerospatiale namely eurocopter and now Airbus helicopter The Engine was developped by Turbomeca and now named Safran Group The First helicopter in the world using the Turbine Engine is the Alouette 2 and the prestigious Alouette 3 and also the Lama Helicopter😎🚁🚁🚁🚁🚁🚁🚁

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Thanks for the info! I thought it was a different helicopter that has the first turbine engine...

[@Synystr7]

Why do helicopters use turbine engines rather than say... a piston engine or something. I feel like turbines would be slower to react to power inputs than a piston engine? And I feel like if you have a CVT gearbox, you could start up a helicopter quicker, and you can "horsepower" your way through a heavy load because you are mechanically linked to the engine rather than having the gases from a turbine engine to use for power. I'd imagine power inputs are "spongy" with a turbine, slow to react and stalling out is easier.

[@jowge6759]

Piston engine were originally used in helicopters during the 40's. However it was found that piston engines needed mores space and were much heavier. And pistons actually took a longer time to start up. I think you still get some piston engine helis but they are rare. Turbines were preferred by the US military during the Vietnam war and they contributed greatly to making the UH-1 a very useful tool to the military. Ever since then, its just been very common to see turbine engines.

[@sarahcox2957]

turbines give a constant power flow. this is needed for a rotor system that dose not change it's speed, only the angle of approach. IE the blade can change it's pitch (articulation) where an airplane's blades do not change the position of their wings. I recommend checking out a rotor head video as well so understand the principle better.

[@Sir_Brennan]

You don't need the turbine to change speed quickly when you can adjust the pitch of the blades themselves to alter their lift characteristics. Turbines offer a great power for their size too.

[@johngayceowens7236]

Turbines are also much more reliable than piston engines, have less moving parts, and get less wear and tear. They're also pretty cheap and easy to build from scrap, but let's not get ahead of ourselves

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Turbines have greater power to weight ratio

[@TheDude83161]

well done,i learned something,thank you for proper English speech,they wouldnt understand you in the US.Carry on London !

[@DodongWerkzPh]

igniter plug and spark plug is thesame?

[@hermanngoring397]

yes

[@hermanngoring397]

Mr.Green Yep, just wanted to give a simple response.

[@nvrfollowb5]

From the figure it is hard to see how the N1 turbine powers the accessories such as the fuel and oil pumps...

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Yeah it is a simplified diagram

[@davidfarmer2049]

Yes great video but I think "there is" for one item, maybe "there are" for plural??

[@LuizSouza-pp1ln]

David Farmer è

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Probably - what was the sentence?

[@nyalldavis]

A turbine is a fan shaped air capturing thing. A turban is a shiks headwear. lol america

[@fistpunder]

Yeah well we're still using feet and miles when the rest of the world has metric. Do you know what a bitch it is having to buy SAE and metric tools? Some cars have both. It's maddening!

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Tomato Potato

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

In a turbine it is continuous.

[@EmilioGameair]

I AGREE AND THE PEOPLE THAT THINKS THIS IS ANNOYING WHO ASKED YOU

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

The turbine/turban thing?

[@EmilioGameair]

@@HelicopterTrainingVideos yeah I guess sorry in that moment I activated de little kid mode sorry

[@Creeperboy099]

Has there ever been a helicopter that runs on a regular gas piston engine?

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Plenty of home-build models, can put whatever engine you like in

[@flaplaya]

Grade A going over

[@allancopland1768]

'Gas turbine engine', not turbine. The turbine/turban is only one component of the engine.

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Yep, but common to call it just a "turbine helicopter" over here...

[@Markknightexeter]

Turban?

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Tomato tomarto

[@Markknightexeter]

@@HelicopterTrainingVideos 😜

[@donatnshimirimana282]

ok

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

OK OK

[@vectorsfiresale7156]

the combustion chamber must lies before the turbines not after them !!!

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

It depends on the design, but either way the expanding exhaust gases escape through the turbines.

[@coriscotupi]

+dranzer gigs As the compressed air/fuel mixture burns it expands and creates the momentum needed to turn the turbine wheel. The turbine wheel is connected to the compressor, so it also turns the compressor. The compressor provides more air for the burn to keep going, turn the turbine, etc. This may not be too intuitive and may sound a bit like an impossible "free energy machine" (turbine is powered by air that was delivered by the compressor, yet the turbine itself turns that same compressor). Bear in mind though that it is the fuel burning that inputs the required energy to keep this going. Also, before all this is going on, an exterior starter motor turns the compressor+turbine until the engine has sufficient RPM to sustain autonomous operation. It is then turned off (or in some cases reverts to a generator use).

[@johnymerida2110]

??????

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

Need more information to help....

[@gregorypowell8297]

This is all very basic simple theory and understanding that any pilot would know so why do you feel the need to show that you understand this?? I don’t !!!!

[@HelicopterTrainingVideos]

This is an instructional video for student pilots to learn.