Robinson vs Enstrom Which Helicopter Would You Pick?

[@flyinggyros9745]

I learned in a Brantley B2b. I have a little time in the Enstrom. Also an hour or two in a Bell 47 and Hughes 300. I would pick the Enstrom first.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@Awaitingtheretuenoffourteenth]

Nice comparison. i just converted and got rated on enstrom as an instructor,my previoius rating was on S300C. it seems a bit difficult at start but well when you have few hours on it you get used to trim and there you are. its just very forgiving in emergency handling. affords lots of reaction time to new pilots making them more safe. low disc loading combined with high inertia rotor make it an ideal bird for practicing autorotations.

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[@melvinelder3587]

Especially after the mishap in Texas with the R-44, just I don’t even know anymore with Robinson!

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@georgeemmerich1485]

I trained on a R22. Never flown a R44. I owned an Enstrom F28A, No Turbo. Was an interesting learning experience without the Turbo. Had to be on the throttle or rotor rpm deteriorated rapidly. Was fun to fly at altitude, stable, quiet and great view. Experience in a Bell 47G2 helped on the throttle experience. Excellent video and I afree on everything you said. I did once fly an Enstrom F28C and the Turbo made if really fun. Great autos.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for the feedback George!

[@zzodr]

I learnt in a Bell 47. No governor. No low rotor RPM horn or light. No VSI. Didn't really need a ASI either. But it's the best view out of the lot. :-)

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@AlwayzPr0]

I've flown a 44 and 22, I don't mind the cyclic at all. I think it feels better in my hand because I can rest my arm on my leg.

[@HelicopterGround]

+Harrison William I agree totally! It's very comfortable once get used to it!

[@Armc31416]

I learned to fly in Robinsons and I totally agree! When transitioning to the Schweizer 300 I found the cyclic handle a bit taller than ideal for me!

[@np-jf1zw]

It's nice to hear the comparison between the two helicopters from an experienced pilot.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thank you Sidney we appreciate that!

[@JimBarnhill6]

Great video. I learned in an Enstrom and have flown R44, R22, Alouette, Bell 47, and Hiller. From my perspective the biggest factor in preference is trailerable. You just can’t trailer a fully articulated helicopter “conveniently”. In a commercial operation trailer ability is critical.

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[@fionahall2824]

Having flown extensively in the R22 and the R 44 I have to go with Enstrom all the way... I didn't like her at first purely from a visual perspective but once you fly in her and I must add at this point I have only ever flown in the Enstrom as a passenger - she is just beautiful. Spacious, fantastic surround visual and according to all the pilots that I have flown with in the Enstrom and spoken to about it... exceptionally powerful and easy to fly. I have also witnessed the Enstrom extensively doing crop spraying and boy oh boy is she agile and the pilots rate her very highly.... and finally when the famous Dennis Kenyon told me in no uncertain terms that the Enstrom was his favourite and he would not recommend anything better for me to learn to fly on I WAS SOLD....And so wish me luck as I take up the challenge to learn to fly in the Enstrom.... ps I think she is rather pretty now when I look at her..... Happy Landings All... xx

[@HelicopterGround]

Thank you very much for your input!

[@wernerwiedon1331]

I was in R 22 ! Not long time ago, well on the ground I was having a Chicken dance on the ground ! I'm still Bell 47 my think !

[@wernerwiedon1331]

@@HelicopterGround understand

[@heli-crewhgs5285]

Dennis Kenyon RIP.

[@peterrowcliffe747]

well done learning to fly in a Enstrom , Peter

[@johnwhodat8135]

I learned to fly r22 with correlator back in 1983 at the Pacific wing and rotor flt school in long beach ca. Got my private rotor craft rating in summer of that year.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for sharing!

[@johnwhodat8135]

@@shreddder999 ..it now has governor..you throttle up to 80% and the governor takes over and bring up the throttle to 100% and maintains it there. Very neat system.

[@johnwhodat8135]

@@shreddder999 ..where you go to fly school at?

[@carloscortes5570]

Enstrom f28f just crashed saturday night at the Bloomsberg PA county fair..while giving sightseeing rides..thank God pilot and 2 passengers survived..i also read that a few vehicles parked unoccupied where also damaged..

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for sharing!

[@737tech]

I learned in the Enstrom. It is so stable and tough.

[@HelicopterGround]

Very stable amazing machine!

[@neti_neti_]

i will pick Enstrom 480 great airframe, solid ,reliable, fun and good for commercial use . turbo shaft power plant is silky smooth

[@HelicopterGround]

480 is a great machine!

[@neti_neti_]

thanks your opinion matters

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@jimydoolittle3129]

Enstrom 🚁 forever 💪

[@chipforster4332]

Enstrom hands down.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@alvindueck8227]

for me,it'd be the Robinson. mainly for learning in. But that's a decade into the future, right now I need to focus on my truck driving career.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for your input!

[@rogerbartels5223]

Not counting the initial purchase price, you can buy about 2-1/2 R-44s compared to only 1 Hughes 530FF / MD530F. However, comparing the Operating Cost of the R-44 compared to the 530FF, for say about 4,000 hours, they are a similar operating cost. I have a lot of time in the Hughes 500 series and I would take the Hughes every day over the R-44.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for sharing Roger!

[@Bkytrmpt]

Helicopoter enthusiast here...excellent presentation from professional pilot with interesting insight...been in many helicopters as passenger and 3 times as intro flight...Schwiezer 269, Bell 47 and R22...I very impressed with Robinsons and saw video of factory and like that most of parts are made in their plant in California for quality control. I fly helicopters much..... on my computer simulator that is aka...MIicrosoft FSX and XPlane is where I get a lot of joy out of. To those who call Robinsons...'ugly' the Robinson does look almost comic-like in appearance but when you look again ...they do look sleek, stunning and sexy if you will. I have always admirred the Bell 47 for its looks/sound and its a fine machine that most people can appreciate. The Robbys(as some call them) have a really auwsome sound and they are fast too to compete with a Bell 206 jet ranger for much less the cost...roughly $380 for the R44 versus I million for Bell jet ranger. I am glad to hear the good safety of the Enstrom but no visible control tubes of the rotor mast I always thought looked odd. Having my 1st intro in the Schwiezer 269 with articulated rotor system I must say they are very smooth flying with hardly no vibrations which is nice. If cost was not an issue I would opt for a turbine R66....but that is just me. I sure either choice of helicopter preference will serve the user fine....they both are fine pieces of fun toys people can enjoy having for either commercial use or pleasure.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts Bruce!

[@SquareoftheyearFM]

There's just been another R44 loss in New Zealand, two souls. Lots of speculation of mast bumping sadly.

[@HelicopterGround]

Always sad to hear!

[@PhotogSteve81]

Great video Kenny. I have been learning on an R44 and hoping to get inside of an enstrom soon to see how I fit. I am about half way through you book. Thanks for being a great resource.

[@HelicopterGround]

Awesome Steve Thank You Very Much for the feedback!

[@ottoroth9377]

You chose your wording very well Ken about which bird you would choose to own.....but I just cannot get used to the cyclic in a Robie...like driving with the car steering wheel in the full upright tilt position..just don't feel like you have full control...I like something I can feel between my knees (Ok readers..clean mind here)...I was used to a Bell 47 at Ft Rucker, then we graduated to our assigned Huey's..like flying a Cadillac compared to a VW! Thanks for your videos and knowledge, I salute you!

[@HelicopterGround]

Thank you for the feedback Otto!

[@gnagyusa]

Enstrom. Hands down. I've learned in Robinsons, saw way too many accidents with pilots decapitated by the Robinson's rotor after a low-g mass bumping. I switched to Enstroms and I'd never sit in a Robbie again. I like to keep my head where it is, thank you very much. BTW, the Enstrom is the only civilian helicopter with a tough-enough rotor system to pull this off: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWTZg3dooM56aas I'd never want to try it, but it's good to know that it can take it, if I get into some rough turbulence.

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[@fernandocardoze1196]

You are a true professional, congrats!

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[@shawnedwards5369]

I'm just starting my rotary-wind add-on training. I prefer light aircraft like the 152 II Aerobat I got my license in, so I love small and nimble helicopters as well. I was deciding between the R22 and the Schweizer 300 and I ended up going the Robinson route because of the following: * Robinson publishes ALL of their documentation in free .pdf format * Robinson regularly publishes safety notices * They're everywhere and pretty much every helicopter mechanic can work on them * The flight school I chose has a bunch of them that they rotate out for MX by their own A&P crew * They're absolutely safe if you fly them within their design limits. That's on US as the pilot to fly it like it's designed. Cars have issues all the time that'll kill you if you don't get it fixed; it's called a recall. When that happens to an aircraft, and especially if it's a Robinson, the hit pieces come out of the woodwork. * Flying *any* aircraft is inherently dangerous. Preflight *yourself* before every flight before you even leave for the airport, and take responsibility for your actions and responsibilities as a pilot. Don't blame somebody else for your inability to fly within design limitations and/or check your dangerous attitudes. Yes, I'm very aware that I could die on my next flight. I've also come within seconds to death on more occasions than I can name--and that's in and out of vehicles. That's the price we pay for living the lives of adventurers. And if you're a pilot and you don't see yourself as an adventurer, then I think you've missed the obvious. What goes up and doesn't leave the atmosphere must come down. That can be elegantly or with a "splat," but that's largely up to you. Now *that's* an adventure!

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for sharing

[@txtallywhacker]

I wouldn't choose either to own. I hope I never have to fly a recip again. In an emergency I would choose r44 every time, let the rotor settle down to about 96 % @ about 68 KIAS, those machines will auto like butter on a hot biscuit

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[@redjohn20001]

I remember reading an article a few years ago stating that here in the UK there had never been a fatality in an Enstrom helicopter.

[@HelicopterGround]

Could be.

[@EllipsisAircraft]

There are several. Search: Enstrom 280FX N86235

[@llwellyn1]

I loved the Enstrom for the 1st moment I flew it. It seemed so stable and significantly increased my confidence during all manuvers. As well, I favor that stout, fully articulated and high inertia rotor system. I've also flown the R22 and R44. Given the additional room and speed of the R44, as well as the new avionics / SAS availability , I'd have to go with the Robbie.

[@HelicopterGround]

+Touleau Tourrain Yep they are all great aircraft!

[@paulg.5511]

Bell Jetranger 206 B 3.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@dlfsiu]

Kenny, good point about the fuel tanks on R44. Aux is smaller than main. I think of it more in terms of time. Main tank gives you approx. 2 hrs and Aux tank give you 1 hr. A quick look at gauges tells you how much "time" you have.I must say I have been impressed with cruise speed of R44. It is really Jet Ranger fast. What's the typical cruise speed with the Enstrom?

[@HelicopterGround]

+dlfsiu Thanks for your input! For me I normally cruise about 80mph in the Enstrom. You can fly it faster but at that speed it's nice and smooth and I can look around and enjoy the scenery!

[@chrisguess1125]

Kenny it is sad but I am found myself sitting here at myrtle beach on vaction watching your videos! I am getting hooked on your channel!

[@HelicopterGround]

It's not sad! I'm on vacation Orange Beach AL answering viewer comments :)

[@chrisguess1125]

Kenny lol tushay!! You still out of IN ? Thinking pretty hard about coming to have a chat with you one day soon.

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[@e3dflyer]

I recently commented on the dangers of the Robinson Rotor head! I also want to say that low rotor rpm coupled with a cyclic input could also cause a fuselage strike (main blade cutting into the body). So, always recover rotor rpm BEFORE any cyclic inputs. And if your flying along and the helicopter suddenly rotates to the right even if there is NO PERCEIVED low G condition, pull cyclic slightly aft to be sure the disk is loaded then apply the correction (left cyclic). To mitigate the issues surrounding the rotor head, Robinson is going to have to get rid of the offset hinge by locking it in place with a 3-5 degree pre-cone angle.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@АлександрВолков-у5г]

technically Robinsons rotor systems are not semirigid, because they have three hinges. One is central an the outer two are to avoid the bending within the blade(root). But still it behaves like s typical see-saw rotor.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@Booboobear-eo4es]

An Enstrom helicopter crashed in Erie, Colorado killing the instructor and a student. A rotor spline fractured causing a main rotor blade to separate. The Robinson has had some safety issues with mast bumping. MD/Hughes and Bells never had those problems. So, I think I would avoid both the Enstrom and Robinson.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@31186dan]

I got my private in the 22. I had one bad experience and kind of lost my nerve. It is such a thrill to fly, almost as if the craft is an extension of your body. But I can’t stop thinking about the inherent risks. Maybe someday I’ll get back into it or at the very least start flying fixed wing again.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@agujaracing2950]

Enstrom 😍🔥

[@HelicopterGround]

Awesome!

[@fettersbuiltco]

Thanks for the comparison. I have owned both the Robinson (R-22) and the Enstrom, both used machines. I just flew and flew my R-22, almost never a problem. But, about every time I flew the Enstrom, I had to come back and dump more money into it. It flew nice, but just seemed all the time something needed fixed. The second most happiest day of my life is when I sold it. Then the new owner wrapped it into some power lines and totaled it. He came out of it OK, which again speaks highly of the machine.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for the input Dennis!

[@chriseaves9762]

Hey Dennis, what enstrom did you fly? High time machine, or older? Or did you have those kind of maintenance issues on something fairly new?

[@fettersbuiltco]

Hi Chris. I had the F28B. Yes it was older and many mid-time components, and a few were coming up to times as well. I don't think I would have had as many issues on a newer machine.

[@chriseaves9762]

Thanks for the feedback. Thinking of getting an Enstrom and have heard a couple stories like yours. Usually older, high time, or questionable past. Hoping to avoid your experience!

[@DraGon-cg6ge]

hi bro

[@Novadean1]

Enstrom no question !

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@JoshuaHambyOfficial]

forgot to mention the R44 can't get ground resonance. Sorry, Robinson guy. Great video.

[@HelicopterGround]

Actually Joshua The Enstrom does not suffer ground resonance. It has happened when Enstrom tried an elastomeric damper. I know first hand it happened to me. That new damper was taken out of service the same day with an emergency AD. That was over 10 years ago. So Enstrom does not suffer ground resonance with current hydraulic damper.

[@JoshuaHambyOfficial]

Helicopter Online Ground School yea. I'm not very knowledgeable about the Enstrom. I've never flown one. I was just saying to go with comparison, you mentioned mast bumping on a semi rigid rotor system, but the trade would be not susceptible to ground resonance like the general fully articulated systems. Good to hear about the AD tho for the Enstrom.

[@Scott.Farkus]

I want the R44 with a fully articulated rotor system, or the Enstrom with 4 seats.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@Shad0wC0mpany2]

👍🏻

[@peterrowcliffe747]

Enstrom every time no second choice Enstrom is the best and safest and very stable, Peter from the UK

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@Big.Ron1]

I am buying a 505. It is going tp be my training aircraft to get my ad-on, instrument rating and commercial. Then it will be my personal bird. My work bird is going to be a IFR 407. I am a A&P IA, and fixed wing PPL.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@davidwallace5738]

Great video! Thanks!

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[@Jerry10939]

Definitely the Enstrom. Not a Robby fan.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@AltonRowell-gb1lb]

Yes I do like helocopters. But for sure they are a diferent kind of animal. A airplanes progression into flight makes it seem more safe. But a helocopter is ready just setting where it is. PREPARATION and start up complete, it is hungry to go. I see it's something new to get use to Like with airplanes I learned where the safest area of practice and methods and techniques applied . All equipment has the potential to kill or cause injury.

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[@stealhty1]

Enstron is smoother relatively easier to learn but I will go with the R-44

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[@chopjockey]

Enstrom

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[@teowkk247]

Enstrom helicopter

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[@subculture-records]

Enstrom Shark 280.

[@HelicopterGround]

Great aircraft!

[@douglashoff95]

I'd pick the Enstrom over the Robinson. The Robinsons have that awful T-bar cyclic which I never liked. I have a distinct preference for the fully articulated rotor system.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@ictpilot]

Get both, end of argument. 😁

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[@Agwings1960]

Appearance wise the Enstrom is a better looking machine, except that main rotor drive shaft sticking up there all by itself with no cyclic controls even visible. If Enstrom would just put a fairing or pylon around it, or maybe shorten the shaft somewhat, it would help the esthetics immensely.

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[@stealhty1]

Thats what I though,,however I stay with R-44

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@stealhty1]

@@HelicopterGround Fixed wing but have some Rotary time too

[@marititi64]

that video I like I take the robinson thank

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@born2flyau]

Another great video. What is your preference & why in Enstrom the 280FX or the F-28 F. Do you have any photos of the ground resonance accident.

[@HelicopterGround]

Eitehr way for me, the F-28 F is a little easier to climb in and out of, 280 FX is a little more sporty and a little faster. Both great aircraft. Will have to dig out the crash pictures!

[@OneHoof]

Enstrom!

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@ottoroth9377]

Well...I am a big guy, so I would select the Enstrom because more props means better lift! I also do not like the Cyclic in the Robbie! Enstrom would be my choice!

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@nipponhouseplayer]

Enstrom!🇺🇸

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[@sanfranciscobay]

What determines the amount of blades on the main rotor?

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[@ericdixon2898]

You're going to pay more with more blades. Also, more blades equal more performance but less practicality. Maintenance isn't cheap.

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[@marshallallensmith]

Enstrom 480B

[@HelicopterGround]

The 480 is a great aircraft as well!

[@marshallallensmith]

Just out of curiosity what do you think of the MD-900/902 Explorer ? My personal top 3 are of course the Enstrom 480B then the Bell-412 and AS350B3 (in no particular order) but the 902 and NOTAR has always fascinated me but I have never had the opportunity to try the platform to see if it has any unfavorable characteristics that may tarnish that fascination. I imagine they make it work but I would be somewhat skeptical of the NOTAR working as well as a conventional tail rotor. Seems that it may suffer some of the same sort of issues as a fenestron. Thanks.

[@HelicopterGround]

Can't really say Marshall I have no experience with the MD-900 series aircraft! Thanks for commenting!

[@marshallallensmith]

Rgr: Thanks for the replies.

[@MGT-sv9qc]

Robinson helicopters get classed as ugly by some, but I don't mind the appearance. I just don't like that t-bar cyclic grip. For some reason...I'd just prefer a classic cyclic design. But then again, I'm not a pilot and I've never flown, lol. Just a heli enthusiast. The Enstrom looks like it'd be super fun for just a couple of people, and no mast-bumping dangers there. Both are decent helicopters. Just gotta learn to avoid low-g conditions so you don't mast-bump and learn how to avoid ground resonance, depending on your pick.

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[@philmoredennie526]

of the two helicopters love the enstrom..but would have to pick the Robinson based on the economics. favorite helicopters are the Gazelle and MD 500.

[@CyberdyneSystemsSkynet]

You should run out the economics over 5 years of ownership with moderate to heavy use, after about two years maintenence cost makes them dead even. and after 5 the Enstrom is significantly less expensive.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@mw01720]

The R22 is fun as hell but I hate the stick.

[@clemenshofbauer1111]

yes sir you are absolutly right the stick ruins it all .....

[@chriscunningham6362]

Everybody hates the Robinson cyclic stick.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@cantshutmedwn]

I'm a new instructor....I've flown both 22 and 44 and I'm now about to start on an enstrom...any advice?

[@HelicopterGround]

+cantshutmedwn You will love the Enstrom! It will be an easy transition for you from Robinson to Enstrom!

[@gnagyusa]

I also started in Robinsons and switched to Enstroms. I'll never go back. You'll love it! Pretty much everything is easier in the Enstrom. It's more stable. You can trim the cyclic and let go of it for a few seconds. Don't ever try that in a Robinson!

[@tomking2030]

Cool video I can't afford either, and I'm just watching this waiting for my wife to finish cooking hot dogs and chili

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[@Heli4213]

Great video!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@chriscunningham6362]

Just for my own fun, I would pick the Enstrom. I've never been a fan of the Robinson, especially the R-22. There's just not enough inertia in the rotors for me. I also like the fully articulated rotor head on the Enstrom plus I just like the way it looks with a nice bright swoosh down the length of the bird.

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[@rashmiranjannayak3251]

Major difference should be discussed under power and efficiency.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@wernerwiedon1331]

Enstrom ! Not with the bicycle Frame !

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[@guitarsarelikestupid7200]

Do you know which other countries have a mandatory retirement age for commercial jobs ?

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@dwayneharris3874]

I have never seen an Enstrom in Canada, not on the ground, or in the air.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@MGT-sv9qc]

Question (perhaps this is the wrong place to be asking this). For someone with no military background and who doesn't have 50,000 to casually spend, how would you recommend getting started in helicopter training without breaking the bank?

[@HelicopterGround]

The most commonly asked question. There is no cheap alternative. Training in helicopters by the nature of the aircraft is expensive.

[@faridasalih3969]

Can we know if we can buy one? If so, how much is the four or six seaters.

[@faridasalih3969]

I need the one of Robinson's brand.

[@HelicopterGround]

Helicopters all have different pricing depending on hours flown and condition, Just like any other vehicle.

[@lg8188]

Hi I am seeking advise due to your videos are very informative. I wanted to know before I commit to spending all my savings on becoming a commercial helicopter pilot if there is an informal weight limit for anyone seeking their first job? I currently weigh 230lbs but can get down to 220. Im 6.3 so that is about my lightest I can get. Is it still too much a prospective employer?

[@nathantubbs9220]

190-200 lbs is were you need to be.

[@HelicopterGround]

Did you get started on the dream?

[@andrewparker500]

Enstrom.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@Jerry10939]

If I were to to commercial then I would get with a jetranger

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@Jerry10939]

I'll take the Bell 47. It's what I learned on and a good rugged reliable helicopter. high initia rotors. It could carry three in it. Plus it just looks cool.. I'm sorry but I don't trust the safety of the R22/44 and I hate the cyclic in them. but if I would choose between these 2 the Enstrom.

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[@richardaitkenhead]

I'm looking at an f28c or an r22 for a first helicopter any thoughts or advice,

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@terryterry1655]

Is G2 a good heli?

[@HelicopterGround]

Yes

[@manaranam]

Whats the price difference

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@crazyralph6386]

Seen too many chewed up clutch belts(which is one piece, instead of multiple ones)on those old Enstroms, to ever drive one again. The Robbie’s low inertia toothpick blades are problematic in turbulent conditions and prone to mast bumping. I’ll stick to Bell’s, MD’s or Airbus in light helicopters.

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[@jaydenbooth5728]

R44

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@HeliZero]

Have you had the pleasure to fly the Safari helicopter?

[@HelicopterGround]

No I have not!

[@MrTakefootoff]

SC300

[@HelicopterGround]

+Dude Man the 300 is a great aircraft as well!

[@MrTakefootoff]

yes indeed, such a shame it gets terrible support. what do you think of the TH180 coming out, you gonna get one?

[@HelicopterGround]

The concept sounds good. I am not not real big on flying the first model of anything. I will wait and see how it goes!

[@chuckwye5226]

Phuck Robinson I’d take that Enstrom any day! Started out in an OLD F28A with no correlator. Then Schweizer 300’s and a Hughes 269. I don’t think you could pay me to fly a Robinson....

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@chrisnedbalek2866]

It's a free country, and you can disagree and it's okay. But in my opinion, we're all just human, and mechanical devices aren't perfect, and eventually something is going to go wrong. Either I'm going to make a mistake, or there's going to be a mechanical failure, and when that failure or mistake happens, I want to be in an Enstrom.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@helipilotjoel395]

I’ve had the opportunity to fly both. Both great helicopters. However i do have an R44 which I love. Check out my first KZbin video on my channel 👍

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks Joel, will check it out!

[@apuuvah]

Somebody stick the Enstrom rotor system to Robinson! Anyone?

[@HelicopterGround]

Be a little heavy for that!

[@lookingforwookiecopilot]

I have flown both the Enstrom F280 and R44 I and II, and I like both,...and yeah the Enstrom is definitely Tonka tuff! If I could buy one it would be hands down the R22! I fly just for fun and alone so the 22 is perfect and fun as hell! For training I would also pick the R22 because its cheaper, and lets face it, the R44 is nothing special, just a big R22. Plus now we have the Cadet,...which is just an R22 for fat people!😗

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@ryanm.191]

Wow... these comments are tied almost down the middle. People talk about the robs being unreliable and dangerous, while the enstrom is always breaking and ugly... no clear winner down here in the comments..

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@stevendillabough5391]

Well Robinson's are known for falling out of the sky so....easy choice.

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@jefftipton3688]

hate thah rob. stick

[@HelicopterGround]

It's weird at first, once you get familiar with it, it's no big deal.

[@jefftipton3688]

what was the purpose of this stick design anyway.

[@jefftipton3688]

not me i chose hughs 300

[@chriscunningham6362]

I imagine to save money. No redundant controls.

[@ictpilot]

@@jefftipton3688 So the stick wasn't in the way of a passenger getting in or out, and a little more room during the flight.

[@apuuvah]

Well...you just told us that Enstrom is much safer, so the question is a "no brainer"...since small helicopters aren't exactly know for their safety..and I assume people in general value their health and life very highly. Rotors disengaging from the mast mid flight ain't what I would call fun...since you are DEAD! But I'ma go with Guimbal Cabri until something better comes along...

[@HelicopterGround]

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[@scottdenard7554]

I hate to mention this but Mountain One in Colorado had that exact same thing happen in an Enstrom 380B and lost a CFI and student in a flight

[@scottdenard7554]

Maybe something has changed with the 480B but now they have a movable right hand seat and the middle seat has a bench for a total of up to five people( four really to be certain) of course it doesn't look as comfortable as the R-44 also the tank on the Enstrom is now 90 gallons making it range farther and faster than the R-44. Enstrom cabin is close to 6 feet across and R44 is close to 41/2 feet across so yes if you are big Enstrom has more room also Enstrom station ratings (seats) are 350lbs., where as Robinson R-44 is rated at 240lb' So another big factor is the weight of a person flying or traveling with you. Of course COG computations and useful load limits mean bigger the person the less you carry. But with Robinson a person of any size wil throw you out of the running.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting. Yes the 480 has even more available space and payload versus the F-28 F we used in the filming of this video!

[@ictpilot]

The R44 is not a turbine, not a fair comparison.

[@JustinRK81]

You didn't even say one word about the engine. Are you kidding...... ????

[@HelicopterGround]

Nope not kidding!

[@oscarpimentel3315]

"pilots" and "Mechanichs" understand and prefer one Enstrom and no necessáry to bê an Turbo, do not exist doubt sorry is my opinion .

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[@oscarpimentel3315]

Thank you Very much per response, I ever appreciate yours vídeos, this comments from São Paulo, Brazil

[@e3dflyer]

The Robinson rotor head was a big mistake! When the teetering hinge mast bumps, it causes the blades to go out of track on the offset hinge! Once displacement occurs on the offset hinge(s) blade(s) will make contact with the fuselage. About the only thing a Robinson is good for is plane old straight and level flying,if that, any horseplay and it's all over. If a diving maneuver need to be executed for collision avoidance there is going to be a problem. Robinson knows the head is a failure, building a new head is pretty much an admission of a faulty design, so they will keep blaming the pilots. Once the FAA grounds all Robinson helicopters, then and only then you will see a new design emerge! WARNING!!! NEVER APPLY ANY ABRUPT CYCLIC INPUTS WHILE OPERATING A ROBINSON HELICOPTER.

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[@jamesward6503]

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[@raycollier1975]

NONE

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[@richardallison5414]

In very simple terms...... neither!

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[@delo1960]

robinson....the beta max of helicopters.

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[@evanleebodies]

Where are the pitch links on the Enstrom? It appears to have just a mainshaft without any external components.

[@HelicopterGround]

The pitch link aer at the root of the blade as normal. The control rods are inside that main shaft.