Helinox Chair .5?!?!?! Is This The Chair We've Been Waiting For?

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[@BeatMeBloody]

If you go to the website you can buy just the seat fabric. That way you dont have to buy 2 whole chairs.

[@jaredcampbell]

I'm 6'5" and weight 285 lbs and I have used the chair zero for 2 years and am not easy on it at all. Never had an issue but I'm sure if I fell into like you did it would brake. If/when that happens I will for sure look at doing this, great idea and thanks for sharing!

[@MrKravmagadude]

'break'. Good god, man.

[@jaredcampbell]

@@MrKravmagadude lol, thanks dad. :)

[@jaredcampbell]

Well it happened, I broke the chair zero. Got a cheap used chair one at a garage sale this summer and now I have a Chair .5. I love that it is a bit taller as well. Again thanks for the tip!

[@jamesrudary4435]

I also have a helinox 0, and being a big guy, the chair is way too low. I think I’ll follow your suggestion and swap out the frame. Great solution!!

[@john_kelley]

It’s been great for me.

[@leeennddaa853]

My fiancé was totally wanting something exactly like this... something lighter than the 2 lb chair he currently uses but sturdy enough to hold his weight. This 1.5 lb chair would be awesome. I can see Helinox releasing this... and of course setting the price right in-between the Chair One and Chair Zero: $110. Haha.

[@chadcase5936]

Sturdy and comfortable

[@scottbutler1561]

Thanks for suggesting this to them. I'm 250 lbs and just bought a Chair Zero L, At 1.6 lbs it fits the bill perfectly.

[@danielkutcher5704]

Nice job, John! I use a hammock, so I always have a seat off the ground, but, for tenters, your tinkering has made it possible for chair lovers who are a bit larger than average, but don't want to pay a weight penalty in gear because of their size, to save a few ounces in their packs. 👍

[@gfelkner]

This is awesome! Just ordered the Chair Zero fabric replacement from Helinox for $60. Now waiting to catch a sale on a Chair One - might wait for my REI dividend. I’m right around 270, and I was looking at the Chair One already. I’ll still probably use the heavier fabric most of the time, but for hiking and bicycle trips I can lighten it up half a pound. This is huge.

[@Silkstep]

Adapt. Improvise. Overcome. Great video. As a heavy hiker, I may just have to make myself a Chair 0.5.

[@john_kelley]

Do it!!!

[@wayofthehike]

John, this is a great discovery. Good work thinking this through. You should send this video to Helinox directly and see what happens.

[@john_kelley]

Great idea

[@m.hernandez1404]

Better yet: they can sell the chair in components to customize. They already have all the parts, just need marketing.

[@john_kelley]

That would be nice.

[@toastiesburned9929]

I would buy one

[@MrWipex]

Of course, dont forget to replace the stuff bag with a light weight drybag or something…💪🏻 great idea my friend! Keep it up!

[@finneganmagee]

I use a version of this. Chair Zero seat with a Travelchair Joey Chair base. Weight is 1 lb 15 oz. Not that much lighter than a straight Chair One but this combo has advantages. The Joey chair comes with Anti- Sink feet. So if your travels take you to areas with soft ground or beaches this feature is huge. Plus the Joey chair seat height sits at 16" vs the Chair one at 13.8" and the Chair Zero at 11". The Joey chair is also good up to 300lbs if that matters to you.

[@john_kelley]

Nice!!!

[@april906outdoors3]

Necessity is the mother of invention! Love it! Way to go, John. I'm only 125 pounds and still carrying my Chair One (purchased before the Chair Zero came along). Would love to upgrade to the Zero if I find a good sale. Great to know they're interchangeable. Hike on! 😊

[@john_kelley]

I really do like the chair zero, but I need to be closer to 200 lbs than 300 before I start using one again.

[@lakorai2]

Use ActiveJunky combined with a good sale. Moosejaw seems to offer the best deals all the time. 30% back in rewards is common for them. Backstabb... I mean Backcountry has 8% cashback on Activejunky usually and you can use the Dan Becker dan15 coupon code to take 15% off pretty much all year long.

[@jacksonccooper]

Heck yes, brother! Lighter gear for us bigger folks! Brilliant.

[@john_kelley]

It’s way sturdier feeling when you sit on it, too.

[@charlesreed7351]

Current Chair One owner. Wanted a lighter Chair Zero but knew it wouldn't hold my 290. This seems to be a good compromise! Thanks JK

[@john_kelley]

So far, so good for me.

[@keithkreatives]

And just like that, Helinox sales doubled overnight because a gazillion "husky" boys just went out and bought both chairs

[@davidson_oldbull_sectionhiker]

I love the .5. Oh your correct you don't lose weight overnight I 78 and still struggling. Have a great weekend

[@john_kelley]

Thanks Warren!!!

[@dave.in.oregon]

Being a smaller guy with a Helinox Chair 0 I can see your point. Lighter is better and a camp chair is an absolute necessary luxury item after a long day hiking. Good thing the Chair 0's seat fits on the Chair 1 frame. Good on ya for trying that out. Definitely sounds like a win-win for you. Keep up the great vids.

[@millieblue5014]

You should really write them about this and send them this video! I wish they could do this with chair one xl and but a tad higher back on it too for extra comfort. The weightcwould be worth it.

[@oakrdgang]

As a big guy myself may I recommend Camptime brand folding stool rated at 300lbs folds compact weighs 1.5 lbs at $50 US-made

[@brocbradley2313]

Perfect hack. Did exactly what you recommended. Beautiful.

[@NeilEvridge]

I'm surprised that nobody commented this already, but the fabric plays into the weight rating. Those bigger attachments in the corners are there to support more weight. Don't get me wrong, I think your on to something, but I'd hate for someone to think they are getting the exact same weight rating as the chair 1 with the fabric from the 0. You are losing some, but I don't know how much

[@john_kelley]

That's a fair statement. I will, however say that the chair is WAY more stable with the Chair One frame. You are probably right about the weight rating taking the fabric into account.

[@RyanSchell]

Maybe the chair weight rating is about HALF way between the Zero and One! 😆

[@LoneCrowAdventures]

Epic fail = epic win! I also found the chair zero to be a bit low and hard to get out of.

[@john_kelley]

This hack really helped me on that.

[@tjandkatie]

Love it!!!! Another great video, thanks.

[@john_kelley]

Thank you!

[@taber247]

Great inspired mixed innovation. Thank you Take care

[@john_kelley]

Thanks!

[@Love2Wander]

Chair i use is 2lbs and adjustable and very happy if it. But you have a great idea.

[@john_kelley]

The key is to find out what makes you happy. If that chair works, there’s no sense in changing it.

[@Love2Wander]

Some day i would like to buy Helinox but i can't see paying the price. But it is a very nice chair.

[@joeruschau3293]

Great idea. I have both the zero and the one can’t wait to swap them out!

[@john_kelley]

I like it

[@jader3259]

My local MEC had a tent pole bin for discards to be recycled and a very kind rep let me for free take a few poles that I needed… so don’t discard that bent pole as could cut a new length to size perhaps n rethread the cord to have a spare chair almost as good as new. This does make me wonder if the seats will fit a budget frame? Also the helinox makes a summer seat version all mesh. Can’t remember specs thou image could shave grams with that. I’ve been eyeing the skyline ul as it’s taller n cheaper than most helinox I see. Just dang gear adds up. Tell myself if I can do stacked camping for the equivalent of what cost x days at hotel than it eases my mind or should I say pocket.

[@carson901]

Nice hack! And helinox sells everulytbing separate, so arrange as you like. But, does the chair .5 still fit inside the zero stuffsack?

[@BackcountryPilgrim]

Nothing but awesome in this video!!!

[@john_kelley]

🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🎉🎉🎉

[@adamholt6898]

I'm a steady 240 and a max weight of 265 is really not enough for me to feel comfortable in a chair. I COMPLETELY AGREE with you!! If you find another chair that falls in between, let me know. As of now, I'm not spending over $100 on a chair that is going to break when I lean over to get my water bottle.

[@lakorai2]

Sierra Madre Air Chair

[@ItsGoodintheWoods]

That was a good idea John! Well done

[@john_kelley]

Thanks!

[@AtomicBleach]

I'm going to wait and see what the new TrekChair is all about. 1.5lbs so same weight as the "Chair .5" (insert deep slomo voice), but lets you use your existing trekking poles as the back support of the chair so the chair overall has a smaller pack size. Its on indigogo right now for $89 for the chair by itself (use your own poles) and for just $30 more you can get a set of carbon fiber trekking poles from them.

[@john_kelley]

I'd love to know what you find out.

[@adamfleck956]

absolutely brilliant my friend!

[@outdoorstransient1498]

I'm prolly pushing the limits of my zero. Nice up brother.

[@john_kelley]

Thanks!!!

[@TrailandBackAgain]

Nice adaption! Great idea!

[@john_kelley]

Thanks, Mark! See you next week!

[@davidangus4561]

Seems Helionx made your suggestion with the chair zero L....? Would be interesting to know if they just mashed them up like you did, or made some third type of leg between the zero and the one.. be great to get a weight comparison

[@hikingtochange7589]

Totally agree!

[@john_kelley]

Right?!?!

[@jonhoffm]

Love your video. I have both chairs and always hated the lower chair zero. At 6’2”, I really notice the difference in height. Now if they’d provide feet that don’t sink in the dirt, it would be perfect!

[@DieTabbi]

Helinox never heard about feet nor that they could sink in the dirt 😹Don‘t believe we ever get the feet we need

[@donolinger6904]

@@DieTabbi - Some manufacturer makes good sized feet for those chairs but I don't remember where I saw them.

[@SeniorHiker77]

Love the information John. Thanks

[@mackjenkins7721]

Man that was awesome video. I'm sorry to hear what happened to you and your chair man. I'm glad you did not get hurt when that happened. Man I know that suck had to sit on the ground. I hope these people listen to you and make a comfortable chair And pay you for it.

[@john_kelley]

I hope they make the chair, but I highly doubt I’ll get compensated.

[@lakorai2]

Helinox will warranty this out for free. Might as well hit up the warranty department if it is less than 5 years old.

[@CarlsonAdventures]

Great video and great info. Thanks for sharing!

[@john_kelley]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@paul65880922]

Awesome solution!!👍🏻👍🏻

[@Jenny-ob3go]

I contacted helinox and everyone else should too and share this video with them

[@john_kelley]

That’s awesome!!!! Thanks!

[@grahamkay8711]

I love fixing stuff so 👍 🤟🙋🏻‍♂️

[@grahamkay8711]

And why can’t you just buy the frame

[@john_kelley]

Honestly, I think you can buy the frame, but the day I got back after my trip, I noticed the sale on REI for the chair one.

[@shawnr6117]

I don't know if they are the same size but I do know that you can buy replacement chair frame sections.

[@john_kelley]

I didn’t know that

[@shawnr6117]

@@john_kelley I think they were on the MEC website so maybe REI for you Not Helinox brand but might work, came in two different sizes long and short

[@john_kelley]

Shawn R Good to know!

[@shawnr6117]

@@john_kelley it's kinda spooky though, I only found them a few days ago and then your video comes out 👻😁

[@williamcourtney8593]

Chairs are nice and all but, finding a log and using something like the cheap thermarest sit pad is an amazing, lightweight option. I used to weigh 220 and it worked really well. I broke a similar chair recently (after losing 50 pounds) and think that the weight to reliability and cost ratio make carrying a chair kinda ridiculous (for me).

[@kimberlymayo9951]

Having a reliable, even if I baby the chair, place to sit free from ticks, bugs, snakes,etc. is important to me. Ticks are everywhere in my area. Worth the cost.

[@BryceNewbold]

Innovative! I like it!

[@john_kelley]

But it's not stupid ultralight! Then I'd be able to carry an amish steak and some amish noodles.

[@marcyfox9508]

bigger ppl can't get healthier sitting in the house-they need gear too

[@john_kelley]

Amen! 🙌🏻

[@Josephhikes]

👍 Great hiking hack ! 👍

[@john_kelley]

Thanks!

[@aaronchristian4259]

Having had a Chair One for several years and just recently buying a Chair Zero to shed some weight but not liking it (nor the REI Flexlite Air), can I just say this is kind of genius?

[@_Tree_of_Life_]

The 1 frame and 0 fabric match better as well, colourwise. It was meant to be!

[@john_kelley]

I agree!

[@atilladebbag7356]

Well, I have the heavy version (1XL) because I didn´t want my chair to break under me. Would be nice to have a lighter version that works for my 200 pounds.

[@Egg1456]

You could repair your 0 frame, i would personally do it with carbon fiber tubing

[@danielkutcher5704]

Or titanium, just to be different.

[@hkriderintw]

lol, thats a really brilliant idea👍🏻

[@john_kelley]

Thanks!

[@impulsivewanderer]

Not just big guys, Big Gals too! I'd pay for that

[@john_kelley]

It's solid!

[@-humveehoove-6106]

I always wondered why they don't use titanium instead of aluminum especially for the price

[@john_kelley]

Probably because of cost. Titanium would be some serious 💵💵💵

[@hikewild5694]

I just searched for this. Apart from crazy expensive, I wonder what the weight saving over alloy would really be? Probably just not a big enough weight saving to make the extra cost viable.

[@babyevil121]

Economical and effective

[@stevestory8483]

Is there a high backed chair that will hold heavier guys like us that lightweight and comfy

[@bihlygoat]

I’m waiting for someone to make a DCF chair zero seat. Might be hard to reinforce the corner pockets though.

[@toastiesburned9929]

Not a bad 💡

[@donreinholz8121]

But John, you're missing out on that cool green colored fabric of the chair one. I'm going to wait for the chair .3.

[@DarrenYee]

Great video, and gear hack! I have the REI flexlite air and wonder if that seat swap works as well.

[@john_kelley]

I don't know much about the REI chairs, but you could always ask REI.

[@DarrenYee]

@@john_kelley Thanks John if you're not to busy could you check out my channel and let me know what you think? I appreciate it. Thank you

[@LostAgainwithJim]

I'm not a chair guy, but the chair zero is intriguing. The .5 more so haha.

[@john_kelley]

Oh yeah!

[@tracysibole]

I've been thinking of trying the big agnes skyline chair. It's wider, higher, and stronger and can hold a higher weight limit. It's 1 lb 12 oz. This might be the middle ground and cheaper than buying the zero and the one.

[@joethompson79]

Thanks, JK. Being a bit over 250 myself, I've always been hesitant to splurge on a chair yet, as the few times I've sat in one I always felt like I was going to break it. Hopefully Helinox can heed this advice, as I'm not quite willing to buy 2 chairs to Frankenstein one together.

[@lakorai2]

You can buy the seat cover by itself directly from the Helinox warranty department. Alternatively you can buy the all mesh chair one (with the Summer seat) and accompkish something similar.

[@marcin1138]

Is the new Helinox Zero L frame from H One with fabric from H Zero?

[@aarondurbin2586]

So im a heavy weight. 360. Would your .5 setup still work?

[@john_kelley]

I wish it could, but I wouldn’t trust it much past 300.

[@theblindhiker6960]

Haha that was great!

[@john_kelley]

Thank you!

[@papajeff5486]

Helinox, ARE YOU LISTENING ??? Texas

[@elandriver6596]

Old ??? Just wait!

[@imperialwhovian3461]

I’ve never understood why people are so concerned with a few extra ounces when hiking or packing, as a hunter my typical pack weight is well over 30-40lb for a several day trip and usually it’s heavier on the way back and we still will hike 20+miles with that and it’s never been a bother, maybe on a through hike but I don’t think I’ll ever have the time for one of those.

[@john_kelley]

I totally get where you’re coming from. The reason why I try to bring down the weight is simply because the lower the weight, the easier the hike. Since I’m not bringing hunting gear, I shouldn’t be carrying anywhere near the weight you are. However, if you’re ever looking to offload some venison, give me a shout. I’ll take it off your hands. 🦌

[@toastiesburned9929]

If your pack didn't weigh more than your hiking gear, I'd say you're probably not prepared and didn't bring everything you'll need. If you bring 30-40 lbs on a hiking trail, I'd say you're probably over prepared and brought a bunch of dead weight. When I hunt, I carry my hiking gear, I just add the slug gun, extra ammo, calls, tools for gutting and hauling, trauma kit, added survival and bush crafting tools, tinder box, 3 ways to make fire etc. Big difference between bushwhacking and hiking on trails. So base weight + situational gear = total weight. If you get your base weight down, maybe your hunting pack could do the exact same job, but only weigh 25-35? What's the down side? So if my base weight were 30-40lbs and then I added my hunting gear on top of that, I probably wouldn't hunt or hike very often

[@ush45]

That was fun watching you answer your own question

[@MrMorganca]

I’m in!!!

[@john_kelley]

Welcome! 😂

[@BenMcmillen]

Someone should make a dyneema cover

[@john_kelley]

With my new logo on it! Do you know anyone who could?

[@robincopter442]

LiteAF I believe does!

[@ItsGoodintheWoods]

Yes yes yes.....someone should.......Ben!!!!

[@john_kelley]

Mike Robinson LiteAF makes a stuff sack for it, but not the seat.

[@nedanother9382]

@@john_kelley is that a joke or did you forget that you camped with the guy that prints on dyneema. truth be told, dyneema could actually work for a chair but thats not where the weight is.

[@Doc_Watson]

I'm also 'gravity challenged' ;-) But due to budget restraints went with a Trekology chair. I also went with it because it advertised a 15.4 leg height as I wanted a higher chair. Not sure how that translates to seat height. Wonder if Helinox would sell just the chair covers?

[@john_kelley]

I honestly don’t know. Trekology makes some pretty cool stuff.

[@youtube7076]

By my math its a chair 1.5 or chair 1 & 1/2

[@john_kelley]

The weight is in between the chair zero and the chair 1....therefore, the chair .5

[@Hftimes2]

I need a link to those dyneema underwear I heard about in your last podcast. 🤣

[@XyC023]

Have you tried "Big Agnes - Skyline UL chair"? It seems a bit comparable to this, but I have not tried it.

[@Jonistired]

The big Agnes skyline UL is roomy, far enough off the ground and weighs one pound eleven ounces.

[@BackpackingWithJason]

Nice video bro. I’ve burnt down and broken a chair Zero. Lol. But I’m rough on gear. Lol. Nice tips JK.

[@john_kelley]

Thanks, Jason!!! I’ve seen proof of your burned down chair. 🤣

[@BackpackingWithJason]

John Kelley 😂😂😂

[@rodthompson69]

I prefer the Big Agnus. This one is too narrow and low to the ground for me,, The BIg Agnus is wider and sits a little higher.

[@sharpridgehomestead]

I stumbled across this video .... just randomly surfing and watching yt videos and during the video I am like ... I think I know this guy. I could be wrong about this but didn't I meet you and a female friend in RRG on the trail as I was passing through in 2017 thru hiking the sheltowee trace trail? I think you two were planning/training for a thru-hike of the AT or ST. I usually always remember faces but I'm terrible with names. Anywho, if it wasn't you ... it was someone who looks pretty identical. And if it was you, hey ... long time no see lol

[@john_kelley]

Lol. Might have been. I was training for the Sheltowee in 2017.

[@sharpridgehomestead]

@@john_kelley i think that it was you ... i was headed north on the ST and you guys were taking a break in that area after the steep climb coming from suspension bridge headed toward hansons point. When you consider how many videos I could have just randomly watched on youtube, then realize you came across someones video you met once ... kinda makes the world seem way smaller lol

[@john_kelley]

There’s a strong chance then.

[@kristiejohnson5514]

How much does the chair weigh when combining these two chairs? 1.5 lbs?

[@john_kelley]

Mine is just a shade under.

[@DanielMartinez-vj6wd]

You can but that pole

[@kene3431]

I thought the chair one was wider, does it fit perfect or does the frame bend in a bit?

[@sandradanen8738]

Bring it on...(those hacks)😉

[@john_kelley]

I'll do my best!

[@DrJosh2]

Video starts at 3:30

[@robertclark8044]

Great hack. I'm not a big guy but would appreciate being 2 inches higher off the ground.

[@john_kelley]

That was an unintended positive from it.

[@jeffersonsharp2292]

Better yet, swap the chair one legs onto the chair zero frame

[@john_kelley]

That’s an interesting idea!

[@lakorai2]

I have the chair one. Much more durable than the chair zero.

[@john_kelley]

Yes it is.

[@lakorai2]

@@john_kelley also bought the Lite Cot after watching your video on it. Considering the Chair Two highback for car camping.

[@lakorai2]

Just bought two of the Savanna chairs for car camping. Holy hell are those super nice.

[@Oldsparkey]

How great is the difference in height between the two ?

[@bigounce4108]

You can buy replacement poles and it takes about 2 minutes to replace.🤷🏻‍♂️

[@raylow304]

You need to ask Dan Becker.

[@Maddonkeys]

Where did you get that bag?

[@john_kelley]

Lite AF

[@keithkreatives]

😂😂😂😂😂. Chair. Point. Five.

[@robbhultman]

Problem solved - New Chair Zero L has been released. 685 grams, 1.51 lbs.

[@Smokeybeesnatural]

Necessity is the mother of invention! Next video... "this video is sponsored by Helinox!" 🤙🤙🤙

[@john_kelley]

I wish! LOL

[@welkerfam]

How much does the chair zero seat weigh?

[@john_kelley]

1lbs

[@welkerfam]

I’m actually asking about just the weight of the fabric.

[@j.k.7595]

Does anyone make a chair with a carbon fiber frame?

[@john_kelley]

I don’t know, but I might look into it.

[@lakorai2]

The backpacking Lite channel did an extensive review comparing the Helinox Chair Zero vs the REI FlexLite AIR. At the end of that super long video they state that the industry needs a carbon fiber chair with a dyneema seat. Probably would be expensive AF, but imagine a 8oz version of the Chair One.....

[@john_kelley]

That would be crazy

[@JourneyontheTrail]

Way to make a negative into a positive!!

[@john_kelley]

It’s better than whining. 😂