Hellboy reviewed by Robbie Collin

[@TwenteeEight]

Are you telling me an R-Rating didn’t automatically make it better? Shocked.

[@itsgeegra]

Reddit LIED TO ME

[@bbattersby2345]

Same thing happened with Logan

[@shurik121]

In this case, it actually made the movie worse.

[@seanelstob5922]

Vindication for Del Toro and Perlman. Rebooting this was asinine.

[@itsgeegra]

I wonder if they're gonny try and bring that back - I'd like some conclusion to their trilogy.

[@gazman9468]

@@itsgeegra Will be a long time before a studio risks putting money into another Hellboy film. It's doing terribly and justifiably so. Good news is that unlike other franchises they can bring back Ron Perlman in 10yrs and still have him look the same.

[@itsgeegra]

@@gazman9468 hahaha - here you may be my namesake, aye I don't think there's any chance of it but I'd love it, see the conclusion to red's story, and the twins

[@pattheplanter]

@@gazman9468 Perlman has said he is too old and creaky to do another Hellboy. Our only chance is to find an alternate universe.

[@cruxtymusic]

Feel bad for David Harbour. I think he has the chops to lead something like this, given a decent film

[@MrUser10001]

Best part of a terrible movie.

[@aarons1811]

How about this? Perlman and Harbour in the same movie, with Harbour playing Hellboy from an alternate dimension, whereby they have to team up to save the world (directed by Guillermo of course).

[@williampalmer1660]

Probably the best review I’ve seen him do.

[@ConkerKing]

Really good review for DelToro's movies at least :)

[@JustPassingByBaby]

GDT and Perlman didnt leave.... they wanted to make Hellboy 3. But were not allowed and the rights were given for reboot.

[@tsohgallik]

GDT Definitely left... He didn't want 50 million for the reboot.... 120 million for Hellboy 3 is way too much...

[@JustPassingByBaby]

tsohgallik check again

[@tsohgallik]

@@JustPassingByBaby Where can I go check?

[@simongreenaway7937]

The British accent delivery in that clip is terrible. Tired of these weird hybrid Home Counties/cockney accents in American films.

[@Orochi_001]

Simon Greenaway get used to it. We’ve been enjoying an relentless onslaught of horrifying American accents for a decade now. 😂

[@doswillrule]

It sounds like an impression of an impression of Dick Van Dyke. It's an achievement that the dialogue manages to be even worse

[@paulfortner4438]

The context prefaced at the very beginning is completely inaccurate. Perlman and Del-Toro did not choose to step away on their own

[@edsmith1757]

Oh boy I said to friends that Del Toro movies are a hard act to follow look at the Pacific rim uprising debacle which was like an episode of Transformers and my friend said " give it a chance " We I gave it a chance and I hope we still have a franchise left after this messed up movie .

[@crazycatfish183]

Just shows you how skilled the Del Toro versions were. Moment the voiceover started you could tell it wasnt going to go well. Underneath it could have been an interesting story, but felt like a joke and lacked a lot of depth. I think it benefited from the good will and character development established in the first two and without them it would be treated even more harshly. Script just wasnt ready. Shame as I liked the hellboy character. McShane is a really good actor, but Hurt really owned that part.

[@acerock013]

i have loved Hellboy for a long time. The GDT films were good, not great, and i was excited for this revision since Neil Marshall is a great director and it seemed like Mignola was very involved in the development. Then I saw the trailer and got very concerned. Then I saw the film, and I nearly walked out half way through. This soulless trudging through a mismashed mess of various elements of the comicbook just doesn't work on any level. I get that they wanted to reboot the film but not go back and rehash The Seed of Darkness arc, going with a later story like The Wild Hunt makes for an entirely odd choice though. This is supposed to be a "younger and less experienced" HB, but it takes place over 60 years since HB has been on Earth and he's been a member of BPRD and BPRD has already since moved from Connecticut to Colorado and major characters who should be there are not and characters who are there shouldn't be. Meanwhile Ian McShane as Professor Broom isn't the kindly academic who is doing his level best to raise a demon into a good man and the parrallel of Victor Frankstein and his Monster is totally devoid as well as any onscreen chemistry between Harbour and McShane...and Daivd Harbour seems to be doing his level best impression of Ron Perlman rather than bringing something new or different to HB. Add in useless gore and swearing for the sake of an R-Rating and fair to middling CGI and you have a string of disconnected vignettes that are edited into one long non-sequitur highlighted by goofy jokes, weird music choices for interludes and exposition dumps. If this film wanted to be so different than GDT's Hellboy then why are they starting off with the same style of narrated introduction by Professor Broom? This film thoroughly defeated me and i left the theater despairing that they may try to make a sequel to this Hellboy. They would have been so much better served if they just acknowledged the first two films and made this the third and followed the Wild Hunt as the comicbooks do, have David Harbour do his HB as he wanders the Earth looking for his place in it after having left the BPRD and do battle with Koschei the Deathless and Baba Yaga and set up the sequel to bring about his battle with Nimue. Or don't and just leave the franchise die and stop trying to force Hellboy into being something it isn't: a thrill-a-minute summer blockbuster rather than a moody and creepy weird re-imagining of gothic horror and obscure folklore with complicated anti-heroes. If they ever try again they should do a BPRD series on Netflix or Amazon with HB as a recurring character

[@georgebeech-bank]

I’m a fan of the Del Toro films, and I was exited for this new film. Unfortunately it sucks. In my opinion.

[@tturnquest1]

As a fan of the original films, this movie was never good to begin with in my opinion. The trailers didn’t appeal to me to be honest.

[@lmaololroflcopter]

They just should’ve let Guillermo complete his trilogy.

[@jessmontgomery3454]

Knew something was amiss after first trailer. Sad, loved the first two. Come back Purleman and Del Torro.

[@tardiscrew6766]

The cgi is dodgy as hell and the story lacked focus if you call it a story Saying that I feel in better hands David harbour will make a great hellboy

[@MantisCFS]

Question is, will he get the chance after this?

[@MrBenfranz]

The other episode Marshall directed was "The Watchers on the Wall". That battle between the beleaguered forces of the Night's Watch and the Wildings is seared into the corneas of my memory.

[@alihart]

Such a shame because Neil Marshall can be so brilliant

[@gregmacdonald666]

Couldn't agree more with this review. I saw it on Saturday and was so bummed out by the experience. I had such high hopes, but alas they were dashed.

[@barryhercules6486]

The original Hellboy movies weren't brilliant but Del Toro is a visionary and a masterful filmmaker that few can follow. I could sense the Reboot was far inferior to the originals just from the trailer.

[@tsmith5670]

Well it did look poor from the trailers. Kinda pleased its a fail as Big Red without Big Ron just aint happening.

[@dallasburns7388]

t smith Actually David Harbor was excellent as Hellboy. And this film was far closer to the comic series than Del Toro’s two, which I still like.

[@tsmith5670]

@@dallasburns7388 the consensus for this movie is that its a failure so not sure that is enough of a selling point to rescue it at the box office.

[@dallasburns7388]

t smith The reason I went was because my so. Was excited about it. It’s a violent gorefest with a big red guy beating up monsters. My only point is that it was good for what it was. And I’m just giving my opinion of course. It’s clearly not Citizen Kane.

[@tsmith5670]

@@dallasburns7388 Sounds like quite a departure from the other films in tone, if you enjoyed it then noone can say anything that stops you from having that experience. My point is I would have preferred a third movie like the first two. Fingers crossed thats the outcome.

[@dallasburns7388]

t smith oh I wouldn’t mind that either. I’m probably one of only a few who enjoyed both adaptations. In my previous post I meant to type that I took my son (he’s 10)

[@theNeathBoy]

Just wasted 25mins of my life on the start of this as it was on Netflix. When the CGI, and FX, particularly the makeup for HellBoy do not look as good as the original 2004 version you got to ask why? That aside, it’s a frickin hot mess. Bloody awful. Think Resident Evil but without the story, budget or direction and that’s the level of this tripe. Perlman was well suited to the role. And Del Toro is a film maker. Together they did HellBoy well, just remember those.

[@otterpoet]

I'm a fan of the _Hellboy_ movies and comics. Didn't expect much going in, but.... WOW. Just. WOW. Saw this for *free* and rage-quit 15 minutes in. I literally thought the opening monologue was some kind of sick joke... but it actually sets the tone for the rest of the film. An abomination of a movie.

[@kirk1701]

The Del Toro films were 'meh' in my opinion. Movies that had good effects and interesting acting, but stories that needed to go through a few rewrites. This new one seems to be worse than the last two.

[@neondemon7617]

Really wanted a rant from mark on this one

[@searchterminatorseed2301]

Genuine question: why do they wear headphones? I’m assuming the room is quiet... ?

[@doublep1980]

First of all,Guillermo Del Toro and Ron Pearlman wanted continue and make a 3rd movie,but the studio canned both of them. Second,Neil Marshall made ''Dog Soldiers'' and ''The Descent'', 2 fantastic low-budget horror movies.The first is one of the best modern werewolf movies and the second is a great,claustophobic survival horror,but here he screwed up. Last but not least,they decided to adapt the last big story-arc from the comics,for a reboot,which was a retarded idea. Imagine trying to adapt the Lord of the Rings into a movie, start from ''The Return of the King'' and exposition dumb all the events from the first 2 books!

[@paladinbob1236]

well there goes hope for one film of the year that i was hoping to enjoy :(

[@Cartoonman154]

That Hellboy clip sounded terrible.

[@barryhercules6486]

Agreed - the acting sounds Effed Up / cringe worthy just from that small clip

[@jamesbuckingham77]

I think a Del Toro / Perlman Hellboy 3 is closer than ever now after this debacle. Also, whenever Mark & Simon are off I would be disappointed due to the connection of me, the listener, to my regular hosts being lost, but with Robbie & Edith (and also Sanjeev), it's a pleasure to have them as super subs 👍.

[@pattheplanter]

Perlman is 69 and does not want to do another Hellboy now.

[@pjtiger10]

Sasha Lane’s accent is....so so bad

[@Cartoonman154]

It's just a list of British phrases as well.

[@Stiffkittens01]

this was better than Del Toro's films. It was pure Mignola & totally captured the comics

[@1LeeMan1]

Nooo, where's Kermode!?

[@Quint1975]

Given my interest and previous enjoyment of the films, I'm both tempted and disinclined to watch this however every single review I've read and listened to has left me decided to wait until this hits a streaming service. Pity, but now I know why Del T and RP didn't sign up.. in any case it was always going to be a big ask to fill their shoes never mind improve.

[@alextromagnetic]

Never knew Marshall directed Blackwater and Watchers on the Wall. Explains quite a bit tbh

[@Ben_Mdws]

The trailers have been so incredibly shoddy the outcome is no surprise.

[@jcgonzalez84]

I think Mark would have liked the movie.

[@joeolney2356]

Worst film of 2019 contestant or nomination!

[@coolefaab]

@octagonproplex The beach bum is my best this year, probably won't change. Worst would be Glass for me so far. EDIT: The Ted Bundy Netflix is now the worst

[@coolefaab]

octagonproplex whatever you say bro. I think it is by far the best film of this year of those that i have seen. The way it presents its characters and the editing style are really impressive and makes you think. Not seen that before anywhere.

[@coolefaab]

octagonproplex but dude seriously though films are not supposed to confirm people’s worldview or opinions.if you disagree with certain the actions/opinions/worldview of characters or even the film itself that doesn’t mean you can critise the film for that. That is not a valid point of film critisism, that’s being close minded. Don’t judge like that, the film doesn’t do that either.

[@ZodsSnappedNeck]

Is Robbie Collin slowly becoming Michael Sheen?

[@mrdrfly8336]

I'm sorry, how did you pronounce "Mignola?"

[@louiep777]

What is that accent in the clip? Holy Moly

[@icollectminfigs5795]

I loved the 2019 remake people going into the movie upset about it’s not Ron going in with that mind set your gonna be disappointed. If you like the comics you won’t be disappointed

[@mariod1547]

I love the comics and think the movie blows.

[@feliciabarker9210]

Yes! The Barry Manilow scene is 100% the best scene in the films!

[@heatherbrown3944]

Loved the Ron Perlman movies but also loved this one as well and love the comics. I’m in the minority here I guess.

[@itsgeegra]

Question - do English people actually pronounce Monaghan that way?

[@sephus99]

Yes. The G is pretty much silent and the last A can be more like a U.

[@itsgeegra]

@@sephus99 naw I know, I'm Irish - it's the way they pronounce the "a" like "cat", anyone I know pretty much drops it entirely haha

[@michaelgayle68]

No del Toro, no Perlman, no thanks...

[@zionleach9219]

I've never seen it but I'm still going to see it. Most people say it's not the best but still fun. A lot like venom it's just A fun movie.

[@denisdesmond1365]

I saw this movie Friday afternoon , now I haven't seen the previous two other Hellboy movies but this movie was so terrible it was hilariously funny hugely entertaining and I had an absolute blast while watching it. It's not supposed to be taken seriously and with the restricted 50million budget that they had even though it's CGIed to fudge 90splaystation sort of way.it is hugely entertaining.

[@philstpier3495]

The Golden Army is one of the greatest fantasy action movies ever made, so sad to see the character end up in this crap state. Also I heard Del Toro and Pearlman were down to do part 3 but there wasn't any money forthcoming...

[@petewells3301]

I went to see it last night, expecting the worst, and I quite liked it!

[@danw1086]

Haven't seen the movie so can't comment if it's any good or not. But having read every single one of the graphic novels the change in tone to Hellboy being more snarky, sarcastic is inline with Mignola's hellboy.

[@adekkamalov1605]

I thought it was fine. Not as good as the first Del Toro film but better than The Golden Army.

[@leighsherval1023]

Recently... Is not 11 years ago

[@nicholasdickens2801]

This film is just absolutely awful. A complete mess of a film. I cannot believe this is the gentleman who directed The Descent and Dog Soldiers.

[@nicolevaughan6576]

Honestly didn’t want to watch it due to this review. Ended up reluctantly going. I’m sooo glad we went!! Big fan of Del Terro but this is a very different film, it’s rough around the edges, gritty, cheesy and ultimate grown up comic book fun. Four of us watched it and loved it!! Needs to be seen on the big screen. Do not understand this total bitch slap of a review, IMO. A new cult film is born. Baba Yaga and Abe for the next Chapter please!!

[@darknessmcbuck]

Ah now it's not that bad, too much studio interface messed it up some.

[@AimeeRose1997]

Oh great, yet another week of no Kermode. This is exactly the kind of content I subscribed to this channel for.

[@glyph2011]

Oh no :-( I was hoping it would be ok.. but this sounds awful.

[@20thCenturyPox]

Gawd, that clip sounds effin awful. The only plus is this prompting me to go back to the Del Toro films, especially The Golden Army which is just fandabidosi.

[@mumadadd]

What a shame. Was looking forward to this.

[@TheRubyTuesday]

Nomination for a razzi me thinks!

[@kevinbelson]

I liked it. It's not related to Del Toro's films. The first Hellboy movie was poor, the second was a Del Toro movie with Hellboy in. It wasn't a Hellboy movie. This is much better than the reviews suggest. It's not without issues but it's not a disaster. Harbour is great as Hellboy. I didn't find the plot incoherent at all. And Lobster Johnson. 🤟

[@supergangsterish1234]

there was *absolutely* no good reason for this to be made

[@superkeaton9912]

I'm a big Hellboy fan, both of the comics and of GDT's works, and this was just a slog. It's two hours of exposition being loudly shot at the audience with the only concrete thread being Hellboy's unrelentingly pathetic Daddy Issues. Some of the effects threaten to be good, but then just go that extra mile of being gross for its own sake. Also the action is meh.

[@mikemoore4033]

Rated R for Rubbish...

[@leemurcutt2072]

The acting is terrible, the script and dialogue is even worse it a Train wreck of a movie like Watson and Holmes but in a weird way I found it so what entertaining..

[@euansmith3699]

Weird. I thought that the Del Torro version was crass when compared to my Celtic Twilight reading of the comics (which seem elegiac, poetic and doomed to me). This new version sounds like it woudn't have appealed to me, even if it had been well made.

[@MostlyPennyCat]

Actually Baba Yaga features a lot in the original comics, she's the one who first brings back Rasputin from his first death, maybe second too. So they're plundering the source for fanboy moments. Not gonna lie, was disappointed she wasn't in the first. Actually I was disappointed in both the other two films.

[@gorgeous61]

Excellent Review

[@silkworm2595]

Liked it more than Deadpool. There were loads of interesting supernatural ideas while Deadpool was just a generic grey superhero film.

[@TheMadAfrican1]

Poor old Niel Marshall. The dude made two good movies and then ran out of talent completely.

[@seekthevisceral]

Good God, the only thing you need to compare this movie to is the comics. It follows The Wild Hunt pretty well. I'd rather hear what Mark Kermode has to say.

[@mariod1547]

The only thing a good critc should compare it to is movies of it's type or genre. Shouldn't have to read to enjoy a film.

[@honnaconna7312]

I enjoyed it

[@Hangman1]

Movie was horrible

[@YG-qg1hs]

Edith Bowman ruins everything.

[@tehpickle1250]

Aww man, I was really hoping this would be a passable film, at least. Sounds like a complete mess. Disappointed, but not entirely surprised.

[@jacobbraybrooke8521]

Nice profile pic! Massive fan of Richard D. James.

[@ajpat9620]

This new Hellboy reboot is nothing but a colossal mess and a digusting disaster.

[@LrnecBuma]

Big YIKES on that grating accent.

[@arlosteiner8382]

Hellboy was always pretty naff on the commentary Del Toro is smelling his own farts on Hellboy. It's equally as confusing though why this was the third film, Toro wasn't super stoked on the script so studio wasn't confident but thought full reboot was in order. Also, Robbie it's been 11 years that ain't recent

[@jamescaldwell1645]

"the only reason it's in there {talking about a scene} is because it works".... Oh, ok......real in depth review

[@7182-p5z]

It wasn't mind blowing, but I can't help but feel the critics are too harsh on this one and are competing with eachother to give it bad reviews. This is reflected in the critics/audience score on RT. Two of the main complaints are the language and the gore - neither of which are as prevalent as being made out - this film is only rated a 15 in the UK! This is an action film which doesn't pretend to be anything other than that. 3/5. And to everyone saying this is the worst film in ages, how infrequently do you go to the cinema? There's been a ton of worse films than this already in 2019.

[@natashagreen4723]

Ugh it was bloody awful. What a disappointment after the joyful originals.

[@peteman0070]

this movie sucks

[@synthzee]

a hellboy movie made by ppl who never read a hellboy book lol pass!

[@LoverOfBellies]

This bloke is wrong; it has nothing to do with the Ron Perlman films as its a total reboot

[@TheRealGeorgeGibson]

It’s fun movie. Everyone just searching for a Oscar film. Sit back and relax jeeez

[@sieratzky]

As if freaking english accent was a make or break. Eff off!

[@Coolguy-ck9et]

Who are these people giving bad reviews on movies? Hellboy was awesome, very funny and entertaining.

[@mariod1547]

Who are you? You're opinion isn't more valuable than theirs.

[@hoodwink578]

For awhile, can we just have British characters be played by British actors, and American characters played by American actors pleeasse!!

[@silkworm2595]

They've reached a while new level. The B.P.R.D are based in Colorado. Agent M11, who was an American in the comics, is it only made British for no good reason but is played by an American who can't do the accent. Sounds like liquid Snake from Metal Gear Solid.

[@nazarethjones9453]

actors can do accents, but they cant always cast the best actor for money reasons

[@NxDoyle]

The 70's hipster frames make people less attractive.

[@Torso]

Just read the comics instead...far superior. Del Toro turned him into an annoying teenager and removed the style and horror. This film has been leaning to much into that "We need to do a Deadpool" and made a super hero film with horror elements rather than the other way around.

[@DanielThureskog]

What's your take on the animated ones, Blood and Iron/Sword of Storms?

[@Torso]

@@DanielThureskog Blood and Iron definitely has the right sort of feel and in both of those Hellboy seems much more in character to the books

[@DanielThureskog]

@@Torso That's good to hear. I have only seen Blood and Iron. The DVD release I got, is cased together with a Hellboy graphic novel as a bonus. Similar to the ones I have of Ang Lee's Hulk, 28 Days Later, 40 Days of Night and Final Destination 4.

[@aaroncrilly2005]

Still sounds better than a Marvel movie

[@cloudwaves1648]

nigga toilet

[@lurkzie]

Shazam is dc trying to be like marvel though soo..

[@Cartoonman154]

@@lurkzie But Shazam actually looks fun and trying to be something it isn't.

[@dukespoon9696]

I get the review, but I think this pair up would do better to have they own format then copy what has gone before. Just copy and paste is boring. Even the speech paste and interaction is the same. Zzzzz.