Helldivers 2 Has a Clickbait Problem... Let's Chat

[@the_backburner]

Thanks for all the feedback everyone! Let's remember that this video is in no way a call to action against other creators. We can all state our opinions and dislike of Clickbait and AI thumbnails without getting angry at the people who make them. This is about doing better, not attacking others

[@DanteV42]

you mentioned that if you used those low tactics you could breach 2k views....gj on almost 10k on this vid lmao

[@NextGenFighters]

Everyone uses click bait in one form or another, you make some good points I'll give you that. Even before AI craze... Click bait was a thing. Now I wanna say something.. I use ai for images yeah ? But I'm also an editor/ designer..yeah I went to art school. The way I use it is as a tool.. I create stuff.. but the final product is probly 30% AI generated. I color correct I use different type of layers and cuts and fonts and even edits that most people don't notice, but I'm just so obsessed with small details. The biggest problem is as with any tech is using it responsibly. Now here is where your complain gets a bit invalidated. KZbin already has a system of detecting clickbait and bad quality videos. It's called Retention... If someone clicks on a video and discovers that they god clickbaited in 10 seconds, they click away and even dislikes the video. Therefore retention is under 1 minute. And the video gets buried. Before it was Photoshop complains, now it's AI. Brother, word of advice.. focus on yourself, make great content and nobody is gonna steal your views. Low quality videos with click bait and crap ai images and crap ai voices are never gonna make it... Sure one video slips through the radar once in a while and gets a mil but that's it. KZbin is watching creators more closely than you think. And KZbin doesn't like plagiarism , doesn't like when people steal other people's videos and gameplay footages, they get demonetized quickly. But if you are authenthentic with you're message and you want to give people value, it doesn't matter whether you use Capcut, Premier pro, Photoshop ,Ai images or AI Voices. It also saddens me that AI tools are viewed so demonically. There are people out there with speech impediments or other disabilities that finally have a voice, why should they be discredited? Hmmm .. I should use this comment as video script.😂 Peace!

[@bobertastic6541]

Incredibly poetic how the video against using clickbait to boost views gets much more views than your average video.

[@VarrickThorshire]

KZbin has a clickbait problem on youtube

[@bjornareriksen]

So true! Clickbait titles are usually enough for me to select "Don't recommend channel".

[@the_backburner]

So true! Seems like this game in particular is suffering from it more than it should sadly.

[@GS-ng3ec]

Seems particularly bad for Helldiver 2 content makers. Basically a bunch of yapping with about 30 seconds worth of news.

[@brucehutchinson7139]

People have a clickbait engagement problem on the internet.

[@after_midnight9592]

Rule of thumb. If there's an arrow in the thumbnail, don't click.

[@anthrax2413]

One dev makes an innocent post with nothing confirmed. Most youtubers: HUGE NEWS: X Enemy is coming confirmed + HUGE weapon buffs

[@shift_del3te249]

Shit is so tiring at this point

[@ZePacifista]

Everybody talking about weapon buffs incoming as if anyone even said anything about weapons

[@GooiYingChyi]

Yeah some even fake official Twitter posts by slapping their own MEGA NEW BUFFS and MODIFIERS text. How pathetic if you are just wasting your waking life spreading misinformation.

[@gtaveteran]

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[@1dK628]

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[@eyiss7236]

helldivers youtubers after reusing the same ai art thumbnail with the topic of weekly news:

[@omarmejia7609]

I hate the ai art.

[@sferderer9496]

then calling it true hard work

[@freeziboi3249]

The Ai thumbnails are actually annoying at this point

[@The_Lord_Vader]

I think there are actual Helldiver models and ACTUAL ART made by REAL ARTISTS, that they can use. Honestly what the hell is wrong with the people these days…

[@MazdaTiger]

@@The_Lord_Vader just like large corpos, they just want cheap

[@adrianbyg5553]

Haha... looks familiar? Clicbaits like these are happening all over KZbin... right now. You could be next!

[@themasterchef9784]

“-That is, unless you make the most important decision of your life…prove to yourself that you have the strength and courage to not use clickbait!”

[@adrianbyg5553]

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[@Mr_Vakarian]

​@@themasterchef9784 "become.... a KZbinr...."

[@SladeF-ll5rk]

Cloudplays has got to be the worst of them all. Dude uploads 3 10 minute videos a day. They're full of giveaways, stupid in video advertising, recaps from yesterday and last week, and then he talks about some reddit or discord post for like 3 minutes. Like if the dev sneezes he'll make a 10 minute video on it. I had to block him.

[@ProfessionalCommentor]

Cloudyaps*

[@BAGELMENSK]

I used to confuse him and Stylosa, but whenever Stylosa laughed, I realized I was watching a video an actual human put (some) effort into.

[@ubulayne_]

@@BAGELMENSKstylosa’s laugh is contagious

[@johnedwards6124]

Cloudplays is awful.

[@noktook4979]

@@BAGELMENSK ​​⁠ ​​⁠ stylosa is just as bad though, his most recent video implies that there was a re balance patch but then goes to just talk about patches, even the thumb nail implies it.

[@PromisedTriggeringExcalibait]

Every week... THE ILLUMINATE ARE COMING!!!11!111 THE ILLUMINATE ARE HERE!!!1!1!1!111 NEW ENEMY LEAKED!!! (Map decoration again) After a Dev says 1 small detail... HUGE UPDATE, MASSIVE NEWS

[@ShockedHearts]

doesnt help that they all use AI thumbnail art that ALL looks identical to eachother. legit like 5+ newstubers who use the same exact AI artwork for their thumbnail is driving me insane. legit they all might be the same exact person

[@TheAcidburn]

It's such a problem with so many channels on youtube. Some are straight up fake AI channels with an AI voice spilling all sorts of misinformation.

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

almost all of them speak with the same low-income British accent, maybe you’re right

[@Tootis21]

​@@WeeWeeJumboI laughed at "low income British accent"

[@SillyBoneThugg]

I genuinely thought it was the same person they all have British accents (low income British accent)😂😂😂😂

[@magicstick9922]

No I'm petty sure that's right because I watched two separate videos on different channels (helldivers related ofc) and it was the same exact voice

[@oscarortiz1529]

Every Stylosa video

[@TheLizardKing752]

As glad as I am that the Sony thing got worked out, I think the whole situation has set a really bad standard amongst creators and the playerbase for like, every tiny thing being overly dramatized and the end of the world.

[@MrDoit187]

100%. the clickbaiting plays a huge part in tuning this community from one of the best in gaming history to one of the most obnoxious crybaby community. Its sad to see

[@zacfor4454]

I completely agree, the amount of times I see people whine about even the slightest nerf like it's literally the end of the world is insane.

[@tbone9474]

The snoy thing hasn't really gotten sorted out

[@emojothejojo]

I saw a video when a lot of illuminate models got leaked. The video title was saying something like, "The illuminate are here to fight." The illuminate is not here to fight they will arrive eventually

[@GooiYingChyi]

I also think it's devs mistake to include unreleased content in the game files that folks can mine. Those models look legit, though not finalized. I like seeing leaked content just to see what the creative direction is, but you can't slap "it is confirmed" or "it is coming after these events". Because it is just not true.

[@BlackThanator]

I stopped watching any of Cloud Plays' content because it felt so incredibly disingenuous.

[@SillyBoneThugg]

He just regurgitates discord messages

[@areafurrynone1913]

Whenever someone posts a vid using those same copy paste AI thumbnails, a good “Do not recommend channel” click usually works

[@zer0her048]

I‘ve been tryin to purge my KZbin front page that way for years now. It‘s an uphill battle. Normal people just don‘t think at all and click on all the clickbait shit, then complain about it and do it again. So creators just have no reason to not do it, unless they specifically want to build a community, that‘s not braindead.

[@slayzet4293]

So far i've purged most of the garbage HD2 creators. Only few creators who make informative videos are left. Though i basically stopped watching videos altogether when my skill level has either surpassed them or on par so their opinions stop being useful when I already know the answer. When I could get most up to date and true informations from discord, these creators doesnt matter to me anymore.

[@nathanielashford8152]

I’m so glad a creator is talking about this. I’ve commented a few times on this and how much I dislike the lazy ai art that doesn’t even represent the game. I wish they would just take a few seconds to screenshot in game if they don’t want to spend time on a thumbnail.

[@TheJestersDoor]

Even more importantly to me, helldivers has a rage bait problem

[@bbodyboi]

YES!! Every other day is some new “outrage” it’s so obnoxious.

[@steelman6403]

@@bbodyboi that why they exist they farm engament due all the people rantingin the comments

[@RobertSpitzer]

Cloud Plays is horrible on all sorts of fronts. I think he was on the whole Sony lies bandwagon, without showing proof of lies. Few of the channels have thumbnails with actual armor.

[@anthonyrosario6300]

Yeah, I don’t understand that. What’s up with everyone using fake armor which I’m assuming is AI art

[@bedoboipdf]

This dude called Stylosa I s2g, every single video he posts has some bullshit like "HUGE HINTS ABOUT UPCOMING HANDHELD MINIGUN STRATAGEM" and the entire video is just some dude asking the devs and them replying with "No news about that so far".

[@ciphe5391]

Honestly i have more of an issue when creators just dump leaks and spoilers on their thumbnail and video with no prior warning, im of the mind set that i want to avoid every leak possible to not develop expectations of whats to come, just letting things come when they come, but ive definitely fallen into traps where no spoiler warning was mentioned and leaks are just dumped in my face

[@ImBiscuitHD]

Leaks in thumbnails/titles are the worst! Stopped watching any youtubers doing Star Wars content for this exact reason.

[@bapnap6218]

That's the worsr for me on youtube period so many creators put apoilers in thumbnails and names taking the whole fun out jukutsue kaisen

[@the_backburner]

100% agreed. When I started the channel I decided not to cover leaks. Mainly because personally I would rather wait to see the finished product. I don’t thinks it’s necessarily wrong to cover them, but the thumbnails having all the info in it is very annoying.

[@steelman6403]

@@ImBiscuitHD Was watching shorts before TOK relase and no warning spoilers. like you wanna find them fine but keep them hidden

[@gamesmash9859]

It's pretty telling that almost everyone who watched this video knew EXACTLY who you were referring to before you even mentioned them.

[@MultiZernez]

me looking for a video of someone having fun playing helldivers 2 and getting bombarded with ai art thumbnail clickbait where someone reads posts on r/helldivers and calls it news:

[@hashbrowns137]

Reddittubers are the worst.

[@GooiYingChyi]

Cloud plays, thiccfila, takibo, Glitch Unlimited. They keep recycling content until people just want to mute them entirely. I do like Takibo sometimes, but the unnecessary clickbait is annoying as fuck. Especially if you dont have new content to offer.

[@deathtrap_99derp41]

Now the title here was great

[@blitzrigen]

It’s pretty ironic how we fight these robots in game but so SO many people use robots and AI to make Helldivers related content on KZbin. Not just thumbnails but also complete songs! With the art for those songs also AI generated. I appreciate creators that make stuff themselves with their own creativity or if they lack the skill, they take the time to learn that skill. That is what I like to see more of on this platform honestly. Where no Automatons are used in the creation of art!

[@TheBananamonger]

AI art democratizes the creation of art. No longer does the artist class hold a monopoly on creation. Seethe about it

[@TheBananamonger]

Also furry L

[@blitzrigen]

@@TheBananamonger monopoly on art??????? A monopoly is a company without competition… there are millions of artists in the world. Plus art isn’t something only specific people can do, it’s a skill that everyone can learn for free by themselves lmao.

[@xx-ek7zd]

Cloudplay

[@Darkwater1886]

The recommend video next to this one was a AI Thumbnail showing a fake diver and planets exploding. Cliams we are getting planet destroying super weapons. It REALLY is out of hand.

[@shandon122]

I'm looking at you cloud plays

[@ronin_the_gamer]

A lot of these channels don't actually care about the game or community. They are only covering it because it's the popular thing. If you look at their channels they use the same tactics for other games. If you think it's bad now then wait until GTA 6. The clickbait for that will be taken to a whole new level. People just need to be smart and parents need to monitor the junk their kids watch.

[@BoundlessEnnui]

Since when is anyone gonna do that last thing though, eh? People can barely maintain themselves, much less the living things they put into the world.

[@dezmas9332]

Illiuminate speculation, everyone knows it's coming, but holy hell I get annoyed whenever someone says it is coming right now and it very obviously isn't

[@guardianexo2624]

OhDough is the only Helldivers 2 KZbinr that’s actually honest with his audience. He doesn’t clickbait, he’s not afraid to voice his concerns even if it’s an unpopular take, he doesn’t lie about certain weapons being “OP” or “broken” or “underrated” when they’re really not, and most importantly, he doesn’t use AI thumbnails that look more like spartan armor than Helldiver armor.

[@CrownsforKings]

Cloud plays irritates the hell outta me

[@GooiYingChyi]

The clickbaits will soon be replaced by AI clickbaits, while the authentic KZbinrs will continue to get real audience. Clickbaits usually repeat content again and again from other sources (that are just not credible) OhDough, is only clickbait in the sense that it informs actual educational facts than empty content. That's why people keep going back. The rest, not so much.

[@minko595]

The british guy that always say 'Chewsday' click baited the hell out m the other day. His title said Eruptor Buff!

[@D-S-G.]

Helldivers only has three real content niches, solo play, funny team play with friends or randoms, and game news. The big issue is that the first two will eventually run dry, (maybe not team play with randoms, there are some wacky pubbers out there) so naturally, the youtubers seeking profit immediately go to the third option, where 90% of the clickbait resides.

[@User-gk1yi]

4:52 that Strider was giving you MAJOR trouble lol

[@the_backburner]

Hahahaha yes he was! The full clip with my audio will be in an upcoming Demockery episode soon ❤️

[@BeepTalford-nu8mm]

There is an endless source of images for good thumbnails in the game. Most of these clickbaiters don't even actively play the game.

[@DemarcationMedia]

I refuse to click any of the Helldivers videos with AI art. ESPECIALLY those awful "WTF THIS HAPPENED" things with Helldivers saddling up Bile Titans or flying a Pelican. It's just crapposting at that point.

[@the_backburner]

It definitely has been especially bad with this community. I know every corner of YT has Clickbait and AI thumbnails, but this games’ community seemed to really latch on to it sadly. BTW huge fan of your content. I subbed to you on my alt account a few years back and even started collecting Mega Halo stuff because of your videos. Much love ❤️

[@DemarcationMedia]

@@the_backburner It's the monke brain mentality Eyy that's awesome!! Thanks for the support!! I'm trying to push for Mega to do Helldivers because I want me a bunch of tiny Helldivers, and making them myself takes a long time XD

[@telapoopy]

it's even worse when these space soldier thumbnails are for a video regarding a content update, because it's pretty misleadingly suggesting these are new armours coming out.

[@cloud_koi4090]

My problem with Willisgaming is that he makes content around leaks and data mined future features and labels them as “New features” in his titles which implies a recent update instead of calling it what it is, “leaked.” Its soooooooo annoying, I had to hide his channel from my feed

[@BoundlessEnnui]

I have no idea which channel it was, but I had seen a thumbnail that suggested the fix for the solo-play pain had been put through already, it hadn't, and still hasn't to my knowledge. the thumbnail hadn't even encouraged me to watch the video, and instead just set completely wrong expectations.

[@adrianbyg5553]

The thumbnail with fake images of non-existing enemies

[@MrDekasOne]

This happens with every big new game, they will fall off as people work out who the good KZbinrs are

[@mrg2155]

Cloud Plays is Z tier.

[@peterthenoob2416]

Finally someone is talking about this. I havent really liked any of the HD2 thumbnails from anywhere ive seen, just bc of the amount of clickbait and AI images. It just feels weird and annoying for a game like HD2

[@IncapableLP]

The issue is: It works! On this platform, you have to do ANYTHING to get people to click on your content. Even if you have something legit to say, you pretty much have to clickbait. Among the hundreds of thumbnails and titles a user is looking at, yours must be the one, they click on and clickbait is the most effective way. There have been some creators, that tried different things and clickbait just was so much more effective, that they would be stupid, not to do it. Another issue is: Everyone is doing it! If you’re not doing it, the average user is not going to notice you. So even if you hate it, you are forced to do it, otherwise, you‘ll not generate the engagement you need, in order to survive on KZbin. It may not be great, but…it sadly works :/

[@denhawken]

It won't work... why should they stop when drama farming is tops in monetization?

[@AeroZephron]

The PSN debacle became clout-chasing at its worst.

[@NicoKuba]

Preach brother. So many times when I scroll through KZbin and just wanna watch a chill Helldivers video I encounter so many of those annoying ass titles and thumbnails.

[@acetrigger1337]

For every content creator that puts his heart and soul into editing and compiling information, with their modest and humble opinions to be shared by many along with unbiased display of facts... there are 50 content farms of clickbait videos written by A.I. and sometimes even with A.I. voiceover.

[@scoobydew2216]

So tired of every hotfix being called "A HUGE UPDATE!!1!", and the AI is cringe. Some of us just want no-frills updates on upcoming changes or patches, especially if we're checking youtube from work or elsewhere and can't check the discord or patch notes yet

[@JohnBrown-lk9ml]

Thumbnails got Helldiver armor looking like Adeptus Astartes, lol

[@ziggydo]

It's the worst when I just wanna watch some gameplay or funny moments and I get "NEW UPDATE! ILLUMINATE DROP?!?!" every time

[@michaelcharles7757]

Not only is there clickbait, the big helldiver KZbinrs are pretty ass. It’s the same leak/ discord post content every single time. And they LOVE milking the drama that happened within the community. I get it. It’ll get you views, but overdoing it is annoying to look at as a viewer.

[@BoundlessEnnui]

They simply need your eyes, not your hearts and minds.

[@TroyBrophy]

The ones that use AI-generated thumbnails bug me because the game itself has so many amazing visuals that can be screencapped.

[@GooiYingChyi]

Yep, I wonder why waste a few minutes of AI computation when you can just Google up Helldivers fan art. (AI also scrapes from copyrighted material, so might as well)

[@TroyBrophy]

@@GooiYingChyi or just screenshot in-game recording.

[@MatzeMB85]

If game companies want to sell games you need a good product. I content creators want views they should have good content. This video had an important point. I'm avoiding several helldiver youtubers right now who use AI to tell me the sky is falling for the third time today without any meaningful reason.

[@RickleJaymes]

I feel like one part you miss with the AI videos is literally the people that have like AI right the script and then have a robot voice read it and it talks a whole lot about literally nothing. They just keep pressing the expand text option from one sentence lol until it becomes a 3 minute video anyone who I see post them I just block them nowadays lol

[@the_backburner]

Oh god that sounds horrible. I’ve seen some of the awful “movie recap” channels that do that.

[@kbar4462]

I noticed it being so bad for helldiver youtubers. Theyre all so insufferable for it. Stretching out a 10 min vid off of one random discord comment that say 'we are working on a known problem' Helldiver YT is pretty garbage quality. The only good one i watch is the War Report guy

[@the_backburner]

War Report is great! I try my hardest as well to just get the info out. Someone recently complained my lore videos are too long since they’re normally ~6 minutes. Imo, it’s better than then being 15+ minutes

[@DyrgeAfterDark]

Random user meme's such as Danz is the only Helldivers content worth watching

[@Sinclaire8800]

Gonna put that here average HD2 youtuber bingo card 6 videos on basically a fart from the devellopers a giveaway thats is trying to buy subscribers cause content isn't good enough to earn them that giveaway being a scam, going to either themselves, a friend or no one at all cause it isn't real barfing up the same couple of buzz words, "epic" "insane" "unreal" "crazy" "you won't believe this" "OMG" to hyping up the suppose to be "new content" dropped but is just nothing more that filling the void of their own content videos 15-20 minutes vido with 5 minutes given to the giveaway and 10 spent just talking about themselves and their boring lives and don't forget the background footage is bad ofc and the remaining 5 minutes reading discord pings that anyone who joined the discord would already know and can't forget begging to leave a comment, subscribe and like the video. bonus points if they use a pathetic veiled attempt like "let me know you opinion in the comment section", not that they care, it just feeds the algorithm which they could just be honest about it

[@Balloon-t5x]

Is it click bait to put a fire sentry on a thumbnail for a video about a new stratagem and there’s no fire sentry mentioned. I was heartbroken. I just wanna burn stuff.

[@Odog78]

Brah, i just unsubbed from someone due to this.

[@jax1411]

I will mention one of the Helldivers 2 Clickbaiters.... CloudPlays is bad about it. I have made many comments on his trash "News" videos.

[@jozefsalem3736]

Willisgaming and Cloudplays are notorious for cb. Annoying af. In fact, i just clicked "don't recommend this channel" on those aforementioned just yesterday.

[@Nephi-lily]

The "Helldivers 2 is dieing!?" Videos honestly annoy me because 400k to 100k is a drop off but its not a sudden drop off from charts, it was a steady decline that 99.9% of games get and Helldivers is one of them especially because nothing of importance is happening and everyone know the warbonds are permanent so people's urgency to come back isn't triggered every month because there's no need to. 100k daily right now is good in comparison to destiny 2 which had the same numbers but has their upper management promotion 99% of things wrong with AAA gaming to "keep players engaged" aka Fomo.

[@MrWowzors]

You forgot Ltbuzzlitebeer another fucking cloud, bro doesn't even play the game 💀.

[@Laikafan02]

If there’s one thing I hate about Helldivers clickbait in particular, it’s them using the guy from the intro screaming.

[@Dirt1061]

My issue is when the clickbait title and the actual conent are different, either in topic or tone. For example, Legacy Gaming has some where they have title like "What have they done?!" making it sound like outrage when in fact they show both sides of the issue and are calm and mature about addressing the issue of balance. So there is a change of tone. Or you see titles like "the game is ruined" when the video is a relatively minor complaint. The reverse is true. That being said, people want to make KZbin their fulltime job, and just like pretty much any buisness these days, you have to play dirty to get ahead. Sure being honest and upfront will get you a loyal following, but I don't think the money is there. My other issue is when the title and thumbnail give no information on the topic, so you have to watch at least some of the video of know what it is about.

[@the_backburner]

I don’t recall if it was Legacy Gaming or not, but there was a video whose title was something like “the player base is DROPPING!” And the video started with “so the player base has gone down a few hundred people, probably because it’s finals week” and then moved on to other topics….. Shameful

[@johnjohnson7259]

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING?!!?

[@the_backburner]

AUTOMATONS CAN DO WHAT NOW!? WE ARE SCREWED…

[@DjChats]

As a smaller KZbinr it would be great to see bigger KZbinrs take charge and steer away from these kind of tactics because it just over saturates everything even more than it already is. Most of the videos don’t even contain any new or useful information just a few old clips were they repeat the same 4-5 sentences 4-5 times while over dramatizing everything but hey if it pays the bills.

[@aibartee]

*coughcough* LoadedCrysis *cough*

[@BeardGrizzly]

Helldiver's main issue atm is higher expectations made by these knuckledusters. I've stopped watching basically every single creator for Helldiver becsuse it's all just junk news that wastes my time.

[@Canis.Lupus.Arctos]

I fully understand the "itch" to address topics like these, _giving your opinion while capitalizing on a "hot" topic_ and is fine really.. kinda, why??? well... clickbait has been an issue since b4 it was known as "clickbait", and also is par for the course on any engagement-driven public space... there's only a couple of differences between old days and nowadays: more people overall, and more control overall... do you really need to address this "clickbait" issue to "help combat" it? I don't think so, for the 2 reasons I just mentioned... but I'll elaborate: 1- there are too many people, both CCs and viewers, and unless you have enough "traction" yourself you are unlikely to make a difference pleading either side... (people are unlikely to change their minds over the subject anyways, although I reckon you get the interaction from them + people who arrived here due to the topic itself, so really, there's nothing "noble" about "talking" ethics here even if that's your true goal) 2- there are tools so whatever viewers deem not worthy they can filter out... (cloudplays whatever has been that way since his start really/probably, and know what I did? I've blocked his channel YEARS ago... and you know when does he pop back into my feed??? albeit indirectly, every time a CCs who I actually am interested in decides to "address" his channel/content, so I guess he should, kinda, thank, maybe, all the people who are helping him break through the "blockade", geez) now, obviously this is just my opinion, and if you mostly do this type of content (addressing whatever community's issues you deem worthy, for mostly "ethical reasons", but also some capitalizing on the side, cuz why not?) fine... but if you fall into the "meta whatever" rabbit hole I'll block your channel and will be very unlikely you pop back in my feed as long as you don't become as famous or notorious enough to become a topic of discussion yourself... and remember this: the very best action against those you dislike, specially in the like of YT and whatnot, is to ignore them... engagement good or bad, still engagement and the ultimate goal...

[@the_backburner]

I really do appreciate the time and care you put into this comment. I love the comments section as it lets everyone chip in on the conversation rather than just the creator talking. I have to say though, that I disagree with your final statement that the best action against those I don’t like is to ignore them. In my opinion, I would rather speak up and say “hey I really don’t like that” rather than just ignore the issue. Will I solve the issue? Probably not. Will I change the YT landscape? No way! But I won’t sit by and say nothing when I see something that I think truly is hurting the community. Obviously this isn’t the end of the world, so this doesn’t have to be taken seriously, but at the start of your comment you asked “why”. And the answer to that question is, because of you. You watched the video and took time and thought to write this comment which I so greatly appreciate. That is why. That is why I made the video. So we, and others, could discuss the topic. Also, for me, engagement is not the end goal. It sure is nice to get so much of it yes, but at the end of the day I make content because I enjoy making it. The conversations I get to have along the way are a huge bonus, but even if nobody watched, I’d still make videos. Including ones like this that let me explain the issues I have. Cheers! 🍻

[@Privacy_in_public]

Thank you for this video. I stopped watching cloud and will because of this. I gave them a chance but it was too much. Too many times, I’d ask myself how does this relate to the title.

[@This-is-a-commentt]

Game devs: breathe KZbinrs: is this confirming new content?!?!

[@GutsEnjoyer]

what do you think of my helldivers 2 titles?

[@irishvader2193]

I try to stay away from specific game channels, they end up ruining the game due to being louder than the actual player base.

[@briannewman532]

Cloud Plays is the WORST. That fuckin’ dude flat out makes shit up about the game and posts it as fact. 3 times a day.

[@Katryoshka]

Yeah I've started blocking all the HD2 content creators. It's all the same copy paste bullshit that everyone already knows lmao.

[@blackreign673]

there are some really click baity hd2 channels, and then there are some genuinely awful creators that tricked me at first with solid content but ended up massively disappointing me with politicized rage baiting garbage.

[@augustonichele5971]

Its not a bait, we click for extra democracy

[@Tabby3456]

just go to these channels and say "clickity clickity clickity clickbait"

[@frulfluberg4005]

I accepted the existence of clickbaits and all, just skip past them. What bothers me more is that its just all the same channels filling everything with just trash that pops up the moment you watch one similar video of news that is actually decent. The AI thumbnails just add to the AI dump of filling the internet with more cheap and easy to produce trash dumped out every day twice. Really appreciate the video of talking about the problem of it all too

[@ARCFIREBALL]

Just Subscribed and liked this video. I’ve watched both of Willis and cloud plays and have noticed all of your point but the reason I and probably many of their other viewers click on them is because they’re the first with the news and they’re right on top. I do wish it wasn’t so clickbaity though I feel like a robot clicking on their videos.

[@blackknightz5036]

"INSANE NEWS!!!" "THIS WILL KILL THE GAME!!!" "THE CEO DID WHAT?!!!"...etc....

[@MrDoit187]

100% agree. We all know who we talkkng about. Really Obnoxious

[@deadheadronin1392]

I think the bigger problem is that they would steal content from Reddit and Discord without ever asking the creator for permission

[@Whiteobamas]

Redditors are stupid let them suffer

[@skylynx8326]

Lets not forget about the leaks, I'll be honest the constant leaks is hurting my experience of the game and my hype, I try to get away from them but they always end up on my feed or anywhere and I can't escape. But with the leaks it just ruins the hype for future content because we already expect them to come all we have to know is how good/cool they are.

[@the_backburner]

This is a big issue too I am considering covering. There will always be ways to pull info out of game files and what not, but the fact that you cannot even go online and lookup HD2 without having something spoiled is annoying.

[@sethivaltas619]

Yep, HD2 has a very noticable slop-content problem. It's insanely tiring to scroll past tens of dramatized daily news vids just to find one where someone actually engages with the content of the product instead of rambling about externalities

[@nobrainsallluck]

My favorite are “BEST BUILDS” and it’s just someone talking really loud and using the same load out for every segment of the video

[@SpinosaurusStudios_]

Finally SOMEBODY said it! All these ai generated thumbnails for content slop. Seriously the real reason HD2 is dying out is because these parasites bloat the hd2 content search with their garbage.

[@jegantdragoch.7088]

how do you click bait a short - when people are on shorts that get random recommendations

[@BoundlessEnnui]

At that point the bait isn't for the viewer, it's for the algorithm. It's random, but not too random, not enough to not prefer certain forms of content, be that through # tags, or through structure.

[@jegantdragoch.7088]

@@BoundlessEnnui thanks for the explaination

[@GreenBlueClouds]

The AI art thumbnails is a spit in the face to the actual human artists that work on helldivers 2.

[@Dendoi_]

There's a difference between videos that stand out, and clickbait, clickbait is misleading with its information, I see people all the time on youtube in general make a video on the same topic but their thumbnails and titles make it seem like they're discussing two different topics, enticing you to click on both despite already being educated on the topic

[@viper2436]

Haven’t watched yet, just wanna say something. The backburner is bouta put people on blast. Back to watching

[@ScuzzMB]

THANK YOU for being honest enough to say it. As the game has taken the player count dive recently, you can hear the desperation in some of these content creators voices as their gravy train is starting to go a bit dry. But the sea of trash HD2 content has just been nuts…to the point where you can tell that they are just trying to reel in fans and are afraid to offend them. So much dishonesty around the Sony stuff proves it. I spent 2 years as a non monetized content creator myself right before the AI boom started and I spent so much time on thumbnails…making sure they were funny, interesting, eye catching…but at least representative of the content. And ya, there’s that rush of thousands of views, but over that time and the work I put into it I just really started to develop a strong dislike for “purely” clickbait thumbnaing and just refused to be a part of that.

[@evandavies4695]

Im glad someone is talkign about this

[@Historyrevenge777]

They are ticks drinking the blood of something popular

[@TheLoquendohacker]

Finally! Too bad it won't change shit! It's a money farm! I hate when they make this "daily news" and make titles like: WOW new weapons! UPDATE BUFF! EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT NOW! But then they just show one discord message and one Twitter post... Bruh

[@LauftFafa]

sometimes i find those thumbnails hilarious

[@FailroadExpress]

It is an issue. Good video.

[@darthkang_]

This video is approved by the ministry of truth.

[@cataclysm2152]

Dude you nailed it