Helldivers 2 - Testing Every New Weapon in Democratic Detonation Warbond

Helldivers 2 - Testing Every New Weapon in Democratic Detonation Warbond
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0:00 Hi
0:17 Thermite G-123
3:21 Eruptor R-36
2:51 Expert Extraction Pilot
2:11 Adjudicator BR-14
4:38 Grenade Pistol GP-31
6:03 Exploding Crossbow CB-9

[@DanielNit]

To me, the grenade pistols advantage is, that you are free to use non-explosive grenades like either smoke, stun or whatelse we may get in the future. And this is a huge thing to me.

[@oscarortiz1529]

Same here. I love stun grenades for bugs and now having the grenade pistol gives me an option for the bug holes without having to run the grenade launcher support weapon

[@sirrealism7300]

I run the ballistic shield and it's great for using in tandem with stun grenades.

[@Pyromaniac77777]

Yeah frees me up to run Stuns, which I adore

[@Alsborg]

​@@oscarortiz1529Try stun grenades + AMR against Hulks 😊😊

[@Kuldirongaze1]

Yup. Too bad the resupply doesn't give you more back.

[@charleslim6514]

"imagine instant gratification, except delayed, and there is 0 gratification" LMAO goated quote

[@inconsideratebox3900]

I used thermite nade and can confirm that this is the exact feeling you get. Couldn't have said it any better.

[@jman3773]

The weird explosion bug where you're knocked TOWARDS the explosion is particularly annoying with the eruptor. Almost guarantees a death vs the bugs if you're already shooting that close to yourself in the 1st place.

[@BAGELMENSK]

Go figure that ragdolling yourself with an insanely good explosive weapon right next to bugs gets you killed.

[@DCTriv]

@@BAGELMENSK It's the fact it ragdolls you towards the bugs. Being ragdolled is never good, but being ragdolled away from the bugs is obviously much better than the explosion pulling you towards itself.

[@Badideasjpg]

@@DCTriv Still super worth taking, and a cool little nod to how a rocket propelled air funnel would work IRL.

[@IRMentat]

Agreed. The buzz saw robots almost got me a few times because they ate a shot and I was flung TOWARDS the chasing pack. VERY annoying. Even thought a duo buddy was shooting main then back when I first used it.

[@rawrxdtonepforme9360]

​@@Badideasjpgexcept the ragdoll happens when the projectile explodes not before. This is a bug not a reference to physics that wouldn't even apply to this as it's a cartidge not a rocket among other things.

[@PainProjection]

I think booster from previous warbond simply increases cooldown between bot drops/bug breaches. You probably noticed that as soon as flaregun is fired or pheromones are released, enemies won't do that for a long period of time, no matter what you do, even if you somehow teleport and allert patrol on separate part of the map. There is a cooldown between those events, which i assume is affected by that booster.

[@Awootistic]

That is what the localizer confusion does yes. Very valuable.

[@IRMentat]

I think patrols are affected, not reinforcements. I have seen enemies chain reinforce in combat a lot since that “minor patch” that the tail gun got nerfed in.

[@Awootistic]

@@IRMentat oooh that might be it. But at the same time, time flies very fast during a firefight.

[@Renjie_K]

I tested this by actively encouraging bugs to call in as breach and it came to about 70 extra seconds of space between breaches which is actually massive compared to the 120 you normally get.

[@klaykid117]

It's kind of insane the constant misinformation we still have about this game. People just assume stuff and then talk as if it's a fact that they delved into the game code to figure out

[@j.l.6415]

Yall gotta give this man credit for the last bit of the video. WTF who the hell would sit on top of a tower, alone throwing thermite grenades at Shriekers like that. Absolutely hilarious nonsense 10/10

[@Alastair_Ulven]

The previous booster is actually really good. It doesn't effect patrols it effects reinforcement call ins. AKA it increases the amount of time between when patrols can call in bug breachs/bot drops. I think it can add like 50 seconds or something on helldive.

[@Jamesington]

I believe it adds 30 seconds between calls, which is huge on Helldive when the internal cooldown is only 2 minutes

[@DlSappeared]

Its insanely good then. since randoms have no idea how to stop call in.

[@minhucnguyen7034]

Its 12s and its ass

[@moai4110]

​@@Jamesingtonon helldive its 50s

[@ItzNeverLupus]

@@DlSappeared no it is not insanely good its ok at best. Only adds 30secs so its 2mins and 30secs in total for around the higher difficulties. Not that crazy if you ask me

[@mrk7309]

I feel like the thermite grenade missed it's calling: DISABLING metal via melting. Like, seizing the turret of a tank so it can't rotate, melting the faceplate on a hulk, hobbling berzerkers and Dev's

[@Jdp313]

I heard if you are not the host it’s not working as it should

[@user-bm7mo2ck6r]

Or just remove the armor where you throw it

[@IRMentat]

Yeah the devs seem to have skipped the concept of armour stripping outside of weapons that pierce the armour THEN after almost killing the enemy dropping the armour off that one spot. iMO the heat/gas/acid/electric weapons should damage the armour it can’t penetrate until that armour falls off. THEN let them damage whatever is below. Efficient? No. But at least then the META isn’t entirely locked into 4-5 anti-heavy weapons out of 12? in total.

[@Unahim]

@@Jdp313 I am always host and it's still ass.

[@Jdp313]

@@Unahim damn, definitely skipping that When I get my super credits up. Hopefully they patch it soon

[@thegrunch6448]

Apart from the DoT bug when you're not session host, the burn damage just does almost nothing in general

[@amanwithastrawhat6237]

they buffed burn several times i thought it was actually really strong now

[@thegrunch6448]

@@amanwithastrawhat6237 not for thermites, the burn barely does anything

[@SwitheKun]

ive found one niche use for the new booster, and that is for the "gone in 360 seconds" achievement. gives you an extra 20 seconds making it a little easier for those who havent gotten it yet.

[@dijxxxx]

Note the adjudicator is a marksman rifle. Yes, it has the option of automatic. It is better suited for semi-automatic.

[@dvrobiqu]

I can’t believe it has a 200mm scope! You can snipe bug holes/fabricators from basically across the map. It’s crazy.

[@EspyMelly]

The previous warbond booster increases the global reinforcement cooldown for enemies. Reinforcements are specifically bot drops and bug breaches, and there is a global cooldown on those that prevents enemies from calling in more until the timer is finished. It does NOT affect patrol spawns. I believe this only applies for standard 40-minute large map missions. Other missions with constant reinforcements like extermination may not be affected.

[@DivineAccuracy1611]

“It’s like instant gratification, but delayed” has to be my favorite quote from you so far😂

[@beh256]

i swear someone who was cooding the riffle ment to put 5 but then his finger sliped and made it 50 recoil lmao

[@Kratos176]

The recoil is absolutely insane what’s funny is it says accurate in the description of the gun 😂

[@MrMiarne]

I wish the rifle weapons were better. They're just so overwhelmingly overshadowed by all the other options... No damage, no ammo, awful recoil, (mostly) crappy sights. BR-14 should be able to down AT LEAST 3 berserkers in one clip, and have 8 spare.

[@etr1us]

damage is sooooo inconsistent due to various bugs its almost impossible to tell what is good if it happened to be affected

[@MalcolmJones-bossjones]

Perfect Video, straight to the point no fluff thank you so much for this helldiver

[@woofwoofwoofwoofwoofwoofwoof]

Previous warbond had an amazing booster, the sickle, stun grenades, and some usable weapons. Not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.

[@stephengrant4841]

It wasn’t exactly good either. The armors look cool but are useless. The sickle was the only good gun. The booster is good though.

[@petercottantail7850]

@@stephengrant4841 stun grenades are one of the best things in the entire game. sickle is also bonkers, (being outclassed by over tuned weapons doesnt make it bad) and the booster is not bad, 3 good things while this war bond has 2 and one of them (grenade pistol) removes all the draw backs of using the stun grenade which makes it even more op

[@stephengrant4841]

@@petercottantail7850 the armors in this warband actually do things, though. Like I said, the armors in the last warbond are useless - the passive has no use whatsoever.

[@RonJeremy514]

@@stephengrant4841 At leats it's unique passive perks compared to what we get with the new one.

[@stephengrant4841]

@@RonJeremy514 Regardless of being unique, they're useless. It's not good enough to be unique if they have no tangible use. I have an idea for armor - you take more fall damage if you wear it, and that's the passive. It's unique so it has to be good, right?

[@EspyMelly]

Eruptor and pistol definitely the best things on the bond, everything else is okay at best. The thermite is worthless and needs a huge buff.

[@rh7225]

Throw it on the eye of a tank

[@cannibalraptor]

Weapons just need more displayed statistics because a lot of the time we don’t know important things like whether the thermite counts as fire damage or not. Also how much the damage over time is because the displayed damage of 100 is only the explosion at the end

[@corywelsh5609]

Surprised you didn't mention how much utility the grenade pistol gives players when making their loadout. By having a explosive secondary, the player doesn't *need* to take a explosive primary and/or support to blow up bug holes or fabricators. Makes it much easier to consider stun/smoke grenades in loadouts

[@derkaiser9881]

Probably ‘cause he understands how obvious that is and doesn’t want to be patronizing.

[@corywelsh5609]

@@derkaiser9881 It has such far reaching effects, it wasn't my first thought. My first thought was the same thing as the video, simply being extra grenades. Useful, but not super useful.

[@bahencio]

I love using the eruptor with the arc thrower, after the buffs its a free get off me card, while the eruptor takes care of all the factories and most enemies

[@25xxfrostxx]

Is the booster a percentage or a set amount? It knocks off 20 seconds normally but does it do more if you have the modifier that increases the call in time?

[@Axalt14]

Yes it's 15%

[@VenomAJS]

30 seconds off the 3 min extraction

[@raven75257]

Exactly 15%. It's worthless. Worst booster in the game

[@ricky2815]

I think the eruptor + laser guard dog + quasar cannon combo will be insanely good, each are very good specialist versus light/medium/heavy enemies

[@chrisbendross6229]

ran this on level 8 difficulty today against bugs and i ALMOST extracted. im a literal bot and almost did it its so good😊

[@convergence1point]

The extract booster is weird because its a flat 15%. You wont get much value until you take it to a complex stratagem plotting modifier. As that modifier is what increases shuttle extraction timers. So it shaves 15% off the 50% of the modifier. Thats pretty good.

[@orangejuice9396]

Something to note about the booster from this warbond, the effect is much more noticeable on increased call in times missions, taking off like 30-50 seconds, can't remember the exact number but it's a big difference on those missions specifically.

[@zehnchu]

Thermite in simple terms is melting metal, so yes burn/fire damage. The molten metal would creates a weak spot then a secondary explosive would destroy the attuned targeted area. But I still have yet to get used to it.

[@ideallyjekyl5200]

The "lowers extraction time" perk is specifically for planets where it takes 3ish mins to come on a delay as it sets it to 1:40 *no matter what*

[@Shway_Maximus]

Hell yeah man thanks for your service

[@InvaderTroy]

i saw someone using the exploding crossbow for bot stealth gameplay. the shot itself is silent so enemies will investigate the explosion letting you hit them again when they’re all grouped up.

[@erelat]

I was using the grenade pistol to allow the kit to also have stun grenades

[@MordeCHAOS]

That was my thinking too.

[@-Triumph]

The thing is how on super earth would people still use normal grenades after stun grenades got released.

[@rocovailo2862]

The Localization booster specifically increases the time between reinforcements of enemy units. Bug Breaches / Bot Drops. And only the global map general calls -- not ones that are part of a side objective or other event. I do not know the exact amount of time-- but basically it gives you more time between call ins to be able to take care of the problem before more come in to compound the issue.

[@keldon_champion]

I really like the grenade pistol because it can be extra grenades or allow you to take stun grenades without giving up impact grenades. Also the localized confusion booster does work it just sucks. The way it works is it reduces the cooldown by 10% on how long before the bots/bugs can call in a drop/breach (there is an internal cooldown shared by all enemies on using that ability) which unless you are getting drops/breaches non-stop it makes little difference.

[@Brother_James]

For bugs, I typically play a "utility/light-medium cleaner" role on teams with my grenade launcher but the Erupter has changed that significantly. The gap in my loadout would usually be heavies but now since I get a good portion of the Grenade Launcher's utility in the Erupter, I can bring EAT-17s for heavies alongside a Gatling Sentry during times where the swarm gets too crazy while still having strategem space for whatever else I want. I love it tbh. Currently rocking for Bugs: Erupter P-19 (good for when your Rover is focusing something else and you need to get a few bugs off you) Stun Grenades (good bailout when swarm gets crazy) EAT-17 Rover Gatling Sentry 500kg/Eagle Rocket Pods You can honestly switch the Gatling Sentry out if you're extra careful about how you're playing but I like to play fast so the Gatling is nice to have for more aggression. Honestly hoping Erupter doesn't get nerfed.

[@truepolar7396]

I learnt the drop for the crossbow and am now using it in bots. Its actually insane. From my experiences it can 1 to 2 tap beserkers, 1 tap any devestator if you hit the head (which takes some practice) and is insanely good at crowd control. Fast handling pretty much gives it the ability to clear any beserkers chasing you.

[@Nikolai08478]

The previous warbonds booster makes the time between natural bot drops or bug breaches bigger

[@FelisImpurrator]

Adjudicator really needs a clean vertical recoil profile. Seriously.

[@gogeta667]

It's good against bots using semi-auto, but the recoil on it is absolutely horrendous. I swear it's worse than the Dominator, which is still my baby.

[@-Triumph]

@@gogeta667 It's bad all the times. The only weapon that is proably worst than this 1 is the diligence countersniper. Any other sniper/smg/AR is superior to this weapon by far.

[@Francoenter]

​@@gogeta667 How is it good in any way shape or form vs bots? Against the smaller bots it takes 2-3 shots, by that point they usually manage to shoot back. Against medium bots it takes FOREVER to kill any, medium penetration does nothing. And big things like hulks and tanks are basically immune to it.

[@HenryTitor]

@@Francoenter I feel like it’s a gun designed for medium armor bugs

[@derkaiser9881]

@@HenryTitorDominator does that a lot better.

[@jacobhertl1398]

The eruptor can 4 shot a charger is you hit the same leg. I wouldn't use it as my primary method of taking them out on higher levels because of how many you'll face, but in a pinch or on lower levels it gets the job done

[@bronzieblue63]

Grenade pistol is goated ngl, and it's also one of the few weapons I genuinely feel like I'm more accurate with it while using 3rd person ADS, almost every other case I feel better doing 1st person ADS. As much as I liked playing with Eruptor, I can't deny that sacrificing my secondary (which I rarely used anyways) so I could run basically any normal primary or support weapon I wanted OR grenade I wanted. The increased flexibility with builds feels so nice now that the Eruptor and Grenade Pistol have been introduced.

[@XXavierSin-XXs]

My assumption for the thermite grenade is that it's supposed to break armor for your weapons to then attack through. The description says that. But who knows if thats actually what its for without some direct testing.

[@IRMentat]

Was quite enjoying the adjudicator overall, handles well enough, hits okayish (similar damage per mag as the DMR , counter sniper, lib pen, half the slugger n JAR)), full auto is a Nono but it could use an extra reload or 2. That said I turn screen shake down to 2-5% at most. Thermite otoh felt like a sudoku weapon, enemies run at you then explode, I don’t know why they explode or why the “DoT” flare aspect seems to do nothing. at the least it should entirely remove whatever armour it lands on and maybe severely burn damage any un armoured parts nearby in its radius. You know, melt things, like you would expect a thermite thing to do.

[@misteryue2739]

For Eruptor, if you keep one bullet in the chamber, it'll make the reload time much faster. Also you'll get to keep a 6th shot in case things turn bad.

[@JohnGrahamDoe]

I could be mistaken, but in my experience the grenade pistol DOES two shot tanks in the back of the turret. The radius is just less forgiving, so your hits have to be more direct.

[@OhDough]

it doesn't

[@seawit9434]

I really like the Adjudicator it's so smooth and easy to aim with its clean reticle on semi. I only see the crazy recoil on auto, which I barely use. The only downside is it can't penetrate strider frontplates which I feel it should if it can take down a devastator, but that's why I got impact nades.

[@TheGWALReview]

I want to play with it but I think the Thermite may strip or reduce armor damage reduction rather than do any kind of damage which is why it makes the Bile a 1 shot with rocket after. I notice the chargers I have seen in videos after taking a thermite the armor shows holes and chunks missing maybe making other weapons (maybe medium penetrating) able to do damage? Like if a tag a bile titan or charger in the face with a thermite grenade can my laser cannon do damage and not reflect off the armor anymore? maybe the auto cannon will hit instead of deflect?

[@jaywerner8415]

Localized Confusion adds (or so iv heard) 30 seconds to the REINFORCEMENT timer. Which is the cooldown inbetween Bug Breaches and Bot Drops.

[@OP10thNakama]

Localized confusion like others have said on this comment section increases the delay from when a bot drop or bug breach in a normal scenario as well as the spawn times of walking patrols. It does not affect special scenarios in which the game forces a bot drop or breach. So the mission where you have to only evacuate personel and drops happen on a fixed time. All eradicate missions. and finally any objective where once activated like drilling for oil that triggers a breach will bypass this boosters effects. Regarding walking patrols though as with another content creator tested if you form more separate groups that is greater than 75m it will spawn additional patrols to random groups. For example if there is a duo team that travels within 75m from each other and 2 other solos going in different directions, once the patrol spawn timer happens 3 separate patrols will be spawned but it will be randomly distributed. for instance all 3 patrols can spawn in the vicinity of 1 of the solo divers or 2 patrols will spawn with the duo and 1 will spawn with one of the solos. The timer reduction for spawn patrols and drops/breaches from the booster is percentage based and the timer for patrol spawns are affected by what you do in the mission. If you close 50% of the fabricators/holes in the map the timer gets cut in half(faster spawns) and finally once you complete the main objective the timer gets cut down to 1/4 and this stacks with the shortened timer of closing fabricators/holes. This timer is also affected by difficulty but it was hard to test out. So for example if a patrol spawns at the start of the mission is 300 seconds (5min), and you close 50% of the fabs/holes it gets cut down to 150 seconds (2min 30 sec) and finally once you complete the main objective that gets cut down to (37seconds). This is why once you start extracting sometimes it feels like you are really getting pummeled by bots/bugs because as you are thinning out the current drop/breach another patrol gets spawned in heading towards you and it just feels like an impossible task to defend the extraction point. TL;DR done't equip this booster in those special missions where drops/breaches are forced in every other scenario once you finish the main objective don't f around and just extracte unless you are confident you can hold of the increased number of spawns constantly.

[@theexecutionerknight5118]

I was shook when I found out the eruptor cN close bug holes from distance. Very handy.

[@IAmNumber4000]

I have definitely gotten slorped into some bad situations with the Eruptor 😂

[@Joshobeb]

With the thermite weakening Bile Titans in such a weird way, I want to test if its not meant to do damage but to lower the armor value on a certain point? I haven't been able to test yet, but if we throw it on lets say a charger's leg, will more weapons suddenly be able to pen it/do damage?

[@LordDarthHarry]

The inconsistency from the thermite grenade comes form the damage over time bug. If you aren't the host they may only do damage on the final explosion. That being said They are kinda ass even when that's not the case against everything except bile titans Tanks and turrets.

[@xamdcrownwell5499]

if not mistaken there is a bug with damage over time. unless you are the host thermite grenades will not do any damage.

[@VGLounge]

Thermite, despite being "incendiary" is not used for "fire." The flammable metal flakes will ignite, but the damage being done is the temperature of those metal flakes being super heated and melting through whatever it touches. The burning of thermite will do little to nothing to ignite other objects outside of its sheer heat.

[@androski5247]

This Warbond just opens build variety sky high with so many options for bug holes/fabricators.

[@Roobotics]

For the evac booster, I wonder if it's something like 10 seconds for every minute. Maybe worth something if 40 seconds, but still, it's hard to even predict if you'll be needing it. Sometimes it really depends what the extraction site style is like.. how the enemy patrols spawns and walk into it. One side, easy. 4 sides all at once, rough.

[@inqufox1750]

The reduced localized thingy adds time to the drops and bug breaches as much as 50% supposedly but with out hard numbers on timers im not sure how true this is

[@h4xorzist]

The termite grenade seems like the newest troll weapon. Now, I can't wait to pair the grenade pistol with my stun grenade, to have the best of both utilities.

[@ItsJesterhead]

i use the booster from the previous warbond for the new bot defend mission. it's great for this and other similar missions to it.

[@Shway_Maximus]

Wow this makes perfect sense! You're a genius.

[@ItsJesterhead]

@@Shway_Maximus thanks but no need to give me credit. I learned this from a teammate.

[@Pazuzu1500]

Thank you for the helpful video!

[@Adlehyde.]

So Thermite is really the same as fire. It doesn't set something on fire. A real thermite grenade for example burns so hot it just melts straight through whatever you put it on instead of setting that thing on fire. Sure, if you use on on something that's highly combustible, that thing will catch on fire, but if you drop a thermite grenade on an engine block for example, it will melt a hole straight through the middle of that engine block. In the military, incendiary grenades are kept on hand in order to quickly destroy sensitive equipment in the event a position is overrun to make sure nothing is usable. That's how they're trying to make the thermite grenade work in this game with it's high armor pen value, they just didn't seem to do a very good job with it's damage.

[@Auraknight]

Thermite grenades, when they work, feel great! Two on the hood of a tank killed it in my experience. The problem is, they don't always seem to work??

[@riven4121]

I do think the reduced enemy booster does work. When I run it I notice that when enemies try and call reinforcements it fizzles out a lot of the time.

[@Deadsnake989]

The booster adds 30-40% to the cooldown of reinforcements, based on the testing I've seen. It does not work on things that cause forced reinforcements however, like geological survey or extermination.

[@Demigodishe]

Eruptor is nuts with flamethrower. Now you can fight armored bugs and Bile Spewers from distance and close bug holes without granades. Totaly good combo. But against bots sucks.

[@kritzum]

The edudicator's bullets can sometimes skip or ricochet from even the ground

[@shepinel]

Threw a thermite at a berserker Berserk charges friend Friend dodges berserker Thermite heat kills friend

[@underwaterguyify]

Great video, man. It was such a relief to see your video after the shit quality of the others. Subscribed and I look forward to your videos in the future. I bought this battle pass and agreed with your takes so I'll watch then buy next time.

[@hermanvdv9680]

grenade pistol is great! I never used my secondary (i know, i know) but when i run out of nades, all of a sudden i have more 9 more! wow

[@Undeadpank]

So I have a theory and my testing seems to support my theory. Hulk scorchers are near immune to fire damage so the thermite does nothing to them. It takes 2 thermite to kill a bruiser.

[@walkerfreeman2697]

I just ran the eruptor with the stalwart on the lowest rpm for ammo conservation. Ive one shotted chargers with the eruptor plenty its probably the best gun minus the glitch that throws you forwards. I thought id need the ammo pack but no, run the jetpack. Run servo assist or the 30% less recoil 50% less explosion damage. Also run the grenade pistole and stun nades for easier shots and jesu christ is this the best load out ive ever used i dont think im going to be using shotguns for awhile now.

[@IAmNumber4000]

Does the thermite grenade strip the armor from a charger’s leg if you hit it there?

[@petercottantail7850]

its hard to tell since the glitch of a chargers leg changing armor values after running past you.(devs acknowledged it exists but decided to keep it so it's a permanent feature for now) this exchange might "unstrip" it once the correct armor returns, or worse be better off just shooting it since it will go away than waste a resource. Im really curious what kind of debuff this thing applies, cause i saw someone else say it made hulks weaker to auto canon but I suspect he just doesnt know autocanon is goated. there could be some interesting synergy if it makes primaries capable of harming heavies

[@scoople6]

What I really want out of the thermos grenade is utility. If I throw this on an armored area it should destroy the armor on that location or at least reduce the armor value there by a step or two. That way it creates a more interesting tactical opportunity for you and your team and enable them to do more damage to an elite with weaker weapons. ie: throw it on a tank face plate so it only requires one rocket to kill it at that spot. Throw it on a charger face then medium pen weapons can headahot it.

[@ClonedGamer001]

Does the new booster apply when the timer hits zero or is it only when you call in extraction manually?

[@OhDough]

Both

[@whatever0517]

I've heard the thermite grenade is currently suffering from the host DoT dmg bug; if you're not the host, burn damage is nothing/severely reduced

[@snifftheshark]

I can't believe the devs themselves have stated that they want their game to have realistic details, and then go on to make this crossbow based off an in real life crossbow design and then have it have zero cocking animation. The even modeled the cocking lever. It's obvious they just googled "repeating crossbow" and based it off what they saw without knowing anything about it. This would be like the punisher shotgun not having a pump animation. Extremely lazy. They need to rethink their 1 warbond a month if this is level of quality we have to look forward to.

[@willmiles7978]

The Eruptor is fascinating, it feels like it works exactly as intended except somehow the explosion is inverted: it hits the impact spot, then the damage starts at the outside radius at maximum, then travels inwards and falls off like it would on a normal explosion going outward. So it does that sucking in effect and also one-shots Devastators or Brood Commanders hitting the floor near them, but takes 4-6 shots to the face sometimes? The Thermite is definitely broken, but how is very baffling. I wish it was clear what the intent was, if it's supposed to melt through armour then do a small detonation inside.

[@OhDough]

thermites just aren't very good against bugs but they're insane on tanks

[@muglokdecrepitus1301]

Grenades should be able to strip chargers armor with 2 grenades in the same spot, or with 1 grenade but reducing the number of max termite grenades to 3

[@lewchootrain]

Compared to the autocannon, how much ammo do you get on the eruptor?

[@OhDough]

same ammo

[@335449286]

personally really dissapointed in this warbond for all the weapons offered

[@Kratos176]

Same it’s getting old every warbond released is just so mid and won’t shake up anyone’s loadout at all we will still be using the same shit like 6 months from now

[@335449286]

@@Kratos176 hopefully not man, maybe with some buffs to the dmr (hilarious I know) we can get some viable weapons

[@libertyprime9891]

Is the crossbow silent? if it is then it would be amazing for stealth

[@Insandom]

Maybe that crossbow fabricator kill was just a raider trooper being killed? I've read their jetpack explosion can trigger a fabricator explosion, but I haven't verified.

[@t900HAWK]

The contact base kills tanks in 2 -3 bases while this you have to throw all 4 and maybe it will kill them. These need a serious buff if anyone is gonna use them practically

[@plague1739]

The crossbow not breaking bug holes or fabricators makes me so sad. Honestly if the eruptor can do it with more range slower let the crossbow do it up close faster.

[@oritfx]

Reduced enemy spawns is a booster that's well visible on extermination missions (you know, when toasters arrive in waves).

[@petercottantail7850]

Im well aware that who ever is incharge of balance needs a good talking to. but I still could not predict or fathom that the crossbow would be released just to make the Plasma punisher completely inferior. all the things the plasma punisher needs this has. bigger and stronger aoe , better drop off angle, infinitely better handling/weight so it goes where you look instantly, 4x the damage on direct hit!!! and if headshot does kill things even tho it gets reduced damage (someone said 60% but i thought it was 50%) from no lightarmor pen, still does more direct damage after reduction. this next thing might sound like a nitpick but is actually a very huge positive, the small arrow actually helps tremendously with you subconsciously adjusting your aim knowing where the projectile will hit, while pp large ball passes through solid mass because its hitbox is the same size as the crossbow bolt. the handling, projectile, and trajectory are the three biggest things the PP needed to be consistent which is all it was lacking imo. damage being better would be nice but not necessary. now that the cross bow gets that and can potentially remove devastators in one hit instead of stun locking them for 4+ shots while everything else surrounds you when you need to reload, you can move on with your day. now before you say "it has less ammo per clip" you don't need 8 shots with this for what you are doing. plasma punished damage, aoe, and accuracy/handling are so bad that 8 isnt enough. while the cross bow will be way more consistent for what you use it for, a swarm of little guys, hunters jumping around you, crossbow will hit them instantly, PP takes time to follow your aim and small aoe means you'll usually need to fire twice to do what one cross bolt does assuming you land your pp accurately all the time. with that said, the erruptor is just more better than the crossbow, that horrible rate of fire verses an even BIGGER and STRONGER aoe, no drop off so fire where you want it and farther away, utility to hurt bigger targets that wall crossbow, and destroy spawn points. I hope im missing something here cause this is ridiculous. i hope i am wrong, please do not think i want it to be this way for any of the weapons to outshine eachother hopefully anyone who is a fan of the pp, wants to like the pp but hate how it feels, or curious what are the crossbows strengths as a weapon will read this and see what technically makes the crossbow "strengths" respectfully for its design. Im very curious how much damage and what can be abused with its aoe on bigger enemies

[@AnInsaneOstrich]

The Adjudicator is comparable to the Diligence, if you hate the Counter Sniper variant and want a DMR that can pierce medium armour, then it's pretty good. Or you could just use the Eruptor which is better at: Clustered enemies (seriously the explosion radius is gonna send people into anaphylactic shock as it is NUTS), individual enemies, tanky/armoured targets, precision shooting (though the shot explodes at around 150m) and taking out Fabricators. I swear, the Eruptor is a Support Weapon in the Primary Weapon slot, it's insane, the only thing it cannot do is kill Hulks from the front.

[@-Triumph]

Everybody hates the dili countersniper. It is the only weapon that it's worst than the adjudicator. But hey it is still 1 of the worst weapons of the game.

[@Nasgatemk2]

I think you're underselling the xbow here. It's insanely good against bots. It's the scorcher with better accuracy, damage, stagger, and a huge aoe. Haven't used it against bugs yet.

[@liammccarthy2651]

“Imagine instant gratification but it’s not instant and then there’s no gratification” 😂😂😂

[@HellBriggz]

Someone need to check if after an enemy has been thermite grenaded does it lower its armor? Cause it supposed to burn through armor not like damage it?

[@katemc516]

i think the thermite grenade is meant to be used to reduce their armour value then you're supposed to hit with with something else...

[@solar7927]

the thermite grenade does dot damage and rn there's a bug where dot damage only works of your host, so until that's fixed. don't touch the thermite grenade

[@h4xorzist]

About the dropship booster I'm quite sure it's far better on helldive then trivial. I had like a 1:50 extraction with that active.

[@Arxeon.]

I think the Thermite grenade is intended for armor striping over big damage. Problem is this takes too long.

[@TheVergile]

are you kidding? the last warbond was worth its weight in gold. stun grenades? localization confusion booster? the sickle? and while its niche its great to have a sidearm with infinite ammo. also if your friend insists to run the arc thrower the armor is pretty useful. especially with the additional jump over ship module we just got. at least that warbond DID have unique armor perks.

[@eve_squared]

in my opinion the adjudicator should do at least double to three times the damage it currently does. I do understand this would make it do around 400 damage to low armor targets per shot but I think that it should be able to one shot anything that is unarmored. My problem with the DMR weapons in helldivers is that none of them really can one hit any of the bugs besides bugs that die in one shot anyways. The light automotons are more bearable but it almost requires headshots right now for it to be worth using against a medium target. It suffers from living as a DMR in a spray and pray world, and to be viable I think it needs to be buffed heavily.

[@matthewwright57]

The crossbow is secretly good for swarm clear on bugs. Ive gotten 8 bugs per shot.

[@BloodDragonJL]

I bet the divers that are playing stealth will try this as it is the closest of a silence sniper.

[@Nox16986]

I've managed to kill a tank tower with 1 thermite by landing it on top of the turret a couple times.

[@user-fg3kf1nt4i]

Think the thermite has been buffed since this. I can consistently kill tanks with 2-3 and just one of them will kill a cannon tower before it even explodes.

[@ixxilus3684]

dude, Thermite isnt like regular fire, its basically extremely focused heat like a plasma torch, made to melt metal

[@zEquilibrium]

does the grenade pistol one shot bile spewers?

[@singed420snowinit9]

The grenade does dot damage therefor it is affected by the damage bug meaning it does zero damage unless you're host.