HELLENIC LANGUAGES: KOINE, MODERN GREEK, PONTIC, GRIKO, TSAKONIAN

[@_ryu__jin_]

There are Greek speakers in Calabria (south of Italy) as well

[@giuseppedelfino8246]

Yes, there is the video of it (of which I'm the speaker).

[@_ryu__jin_]

@@giuseppedelfino8246 on this same channel? marvellous :)

[@maggiemakeupnails1056]

@@giuseppedelfino8246 I've seen this video. Nice to meet you here ❤

[@ΚΩΣΤΑΣΚΟΥΡΤΕΣΗΣ]

❤ ΚΑΛΗΣΠΕΡΑ ΣΕ ΟΛΟΥΣ ΣΑΣ ΑΠΟ ΑΘΗΝΑ ..... ❤

[@gaviriak]

I'm Greek Orthodox and i'm Colombian too. In the Church we always use Koine Greek during Divine Liturgy ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ ΑΝΕΣΤΗ CRISTO RESUCITÓ ☦️

[@allstarlord9110]

Lol how? How come you are Greek Orthodox?

[@user-cu5wt4ih3s]

Αληθώς Ανέστη

[@kalex888]

Αληθώς Ανέστη ✝️

[@gaviriak]

@@allstarlord9110 I was searching for the Ancient Church cause i don't like modernist liberal fake Christianity so i found an Orthodox Temple in my city and i got baptized Orthodox ☦️💒

[@Geo07ism]

​@@gaviriak That's very admirable. Not that you became Orthodox in particular but that you looked into it and made your decision instead of going with the flow

[@allstarlord9110]

Whenever I see foreigners calling the ancients as Hellenes and us as Greeks i cringe soooo hard. We still call ourselves Hellenes 😑

[@1Guy12]

The Greek enthnonyms in line of preference at this time among the Greeks are: 1.Hellenes 2.Romans 3.Greeks

[@kabouktli]

@@1Guy12 Not exactly. Nobody nowadays says Γραικοί. We do occasionally say Ρωμιοί and, more often, ρωμαίικο or Ρωμιοσύνη, but sometimes with a special meaning (ethnic Greeks native to Turkey) not shared with the term Έλληνες. The standard Greek word for Greek is definitely Έλληνας. And it is the exact equivalent of "Greek" which, in standard English, refers to both ancient and modern Greeks. You will always hear about [ancient] Greek lanuuage, history, art, civilisation etc. In some contexts "Greek" may mean ancient Greek, as contrasted to modern Greek (a "Greek-English dictionary" will most probably feature the ancient Greek language, while a Modern Greek - English one may be called "Modern Greek - English").

[@aoaoa605]

Yeah Greeks still call themselves hellenes

[@Trontotario]

No, you called yourselves ROMANS. Most of the original Hellenes were wiped out of Greece during the migration era. The rest mixed with the Slavs and arvanites.

[@kabouktli]

@@Trontotario Come on now, this is Fallmereyer. You can't take Fallmereyer as a serious source in 2024!

[@SiEmG]

Cypriot Greek also, which is spoken in Cyprus

[@angreagach]

Actually, the Lord's Prayer is ordinarily recited in Koine with modern pronunciation.

[@Caralaza]

But this is meant to be a reconstruction of the pronunciation of Greek in the Koine period, not a representation of how modern speakers read it today.

[@angreagach]

@@Caralaza I know that. I'm not saying that the modern pronunciation should have been used here. I'm just saying that modern speakers don't ordinarily recite it translated to Modern Greek, as here, but in Koine with the modern pronunciation. I'm also not saying that there's anything wrong with translating it to Modern Greek either.

[@Caralaza]

@@angreagach Oh my bad. Yeah you're right, they do. For the video, they probably took the prayer from a Demotic Greek Bible to show case the differences in the modern tongue.

[@angreagach]

@@Caralaza Right. I've seen a slightly different version in a book on Indo-European languages.

[@panagiotis7946]

@@angreagach δεν υπαρχει μεταφραση αλλα αποδοση

[@leonardoschiavelli6478]

You missed Grecanico, a Hellenic language spoken in Eastern Sicily...

[@elgee6202]

Are Grecanico and Griko not the same?

[@DCCrisisclips]

@@elgee6202 Their a bit different apparently

[@giuseppedelfino8246]

Grecanico is spoken nowadays in Calabria only.

[@aroma13]

You should do a video on Mauriupolitan greek

[@supermavro6072]

how bout australian/newzealand and antartic greek

[@DimitrisTziounis]

Mariupolian greek is actually a version of pontic greek.

[@kristaps5296]

​@supermavro6072 Or maybe the Greek spoken in North Epirus.

[@nickkoss9384]

The Greek spoken in Epirus North 🇬🇷 is the best. Because GREEKS of Epirus North will set free for fourth and last time.

[@nickkoss9384]

@@supermavro6072 how about you ask your grandma, she's Greek , she tasted the Greek putso during the ww2 , Greek putso all the way to Tirana.

[@Dimitra.Saltou]

So proud of our Greek language! ❤

[@Nevio857]

Although here we see different Hellenic languages and not only the Greek language

[@Nikolaos_Patas1]

​​@@Nevio857 every single one of these is the greek / hellenic language, just different versions.

[@supermavro6072]

I am not

[@kristaps5296]

​@@supermavro6072 Well, obviously, you're not Greek, you're turkalbanian.

[@nickkoss9384]

​@@supermavro6072 1940 your grandma and grandpa know very well how Greek was the DNA they received😉😉😉 😘😘😘 All the way to Tirana 😘😘😘

[@geo46]

Why is Cypriot Greek not included?

[@c_karis_1]

Great video as always. There's one little point for improvement though. When the different languages are spoken, perhaps it would be a good idea to highlight which one is spoken right now. I was unsure at times which dialect I'm hearing.

[@ilovelanguages0124]

Thank you! I appreciate your feedback! :D

[@amalialovesicecream]

Prayers in modern Greek are done in Koine! Do not confuse with interpretation.

[@SirBolsón]

To think Pontic Greek, Griko/Greco and Tsakonian still live on is a testament to the influence of the Ancient Greeks of Antiquity, alongside their legacies of Plato, Aristotle and Socrates! May these Greeks preserve their ancient heritage of Antiquity! 🫡🇬🇷☦️

[@cumar9875]

Plato Aristotle & Socrates were not christians

[@michailsotiropoulos5057]

Εγώ μιλάω άριστα τα τσακώνικα... εδώ στην Κυνουρία περίπου 5000 άτομα μιλάνε...να έσι κά να μόλερε ν νιάρε( να είσαι καλά να έρθεις να ακούσεις)😊

[@kabouktli]

Pontic Greek, Tsakonian and Griko are not any more ancient than standard modern Greek.

[@Pontus-dz2xh]

Very interesting video, I really like how it's structured. Although it's missing a couple Hellenic languages like Cappadocian and Cypriot. Yes I know Cypriot is widely considered to be just a dialect, but it is mostly unintelligible with standard Greek and that's usually what marks a separate language.

[@georgiostsaparis1163]

Cypriotic Greek is also Greek language with a strong Dialekt almost like kretian

[@ete-ge6ed]

Dialects are not languages.

[@Davlavi]

Great video. Thanks sharing.

[@Πηνελόπη-χ6κ]

You also forget the Cretan Greek and Cypriotic Greek as well.

[@ete-ge6ed]

They are part of Modern Greek. The theme is "languages" not dialects.

[@gilpaubelid3780]

​@@ete-ge6edThe ones that are mentioned in the video are dialects as well. They are not hellenic languages.

[@Πηνελόπη-χ6κ]

@@ete-ge6ed Cretan and Cypriot are the same as Tsakonian and Pontiac. All of them you can call dialect.

[@Marble8King]

@@ete-ge6ed Pontic is a dialect too and Grigo too. She is confused.

[@kabouktli]

@@Marble8King Pontic and Grico are indeed dialects. As for Tsakonian, it is possible to call it a separate language, on the grounds that it is derived from Doric Greek, while everything else comes from the Koine which comes from Ionic-Attic Greek. The lines of evolution of Tsakonian and of everything else have been separate for thousands of years. Finally, Cretan and Cypriot are hardly even dialects, rather idioms.

[@WedsleyFelix]

I like the flags 😊

[@alechianese01]

The Griko flag is the sun of South Italy

[@pierreduval5763]

And they all sound like Castilian spoken in Spain! How surprising is that!

[@jlop985]

Pontic sounds like Puertorican Spanish.

[@Theodoros_Kolokotronis]

“I heard these people conversing in a language that was to me harmonious but also incomprehensible music. This journey to the motherland - mother of our concepts - revealed to me an unknown ancestor, who spoke a language so far in the past, yet familiar only by its sounds. I felt lost, as if I had been told one night that my real father or my real mother were not the ones who had brought me up". Jacques Lacarrière, French writer, on the Greek mother language.

[@ZTGSWOrZaki]

This language 🥹🫡🇬🇷

[@Michael-yw6uw]

❤❤❤Cool comparisons of the beautiful Greek language, please about ancient Venetic, excellent work ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@Gallusek]

Where is cappadocian greek and karaman?

[@microska2656]

And cypriot and cretan and many more I suppose

[@supermavro6072]

@@microska2656 and indian greek

[@kristaps5296]

​@@supermavro6072 And Indian turkalbanian

[@nickkoss9384]

And greek of Epirus North 🇬🇷

[@KlaviersAnthology]

​@@supermavro6072bruh

[@ΚωσταντίνοςΜίγκος]

Please make a video about Modern Thessalian Greek dialect if possible. Κάντε παρακαλώ κι ένα βίντεο για την Νέα Θεσσαλική διάλεκτο

[@ilovelanguages0124]

I need a volunteer. :)

[@Tritalas]

In Koine, δ and θ were spelled like in modern Greek. The pronunciation of these consonants in this video is closer to classic Greek.

[@JohnnySpan]

Depends on which period of Koine you refer. Because it traces between Alexander the Great's time and medieval times.

[@argitis1]

Φοβερό Βίντεο ❤❤❤

[@diegorusso6900]

20k/40k for griko in italy is waaaaaay too optimistic, unfortunately

[@Lonelywolf1312.]

Greek bs propaganda my grandfather who is Albanian can also speak Greek(not fluently) but he can and he never considered himself Greek

[@kristaps5296]

​@@Lonelywolf1312. Obviously he considered himself turkalbanian

[@Lonelywolf1312.]

@@kristaps5296 τουλαχιστον δεν ηρθε απτην Μικρα Ασια και το παιζε Ποντιος ενω ειναι Τουρκοσπορος 😉

[@kristaps5296]

@@Lonelywolf1312. No, he came from the Caucasus in the 16th century like all turkalbanians.

[@nickkoss9384]

Asia Minor Greeks are as ancient as the mainland Greeks. Haven't you heard of Hommer? 3000 years ago?

[@KingsleyAmuzu]

Are there any more besides all of the languages?

[@cossackhistorian7425]

There is Cypriot Greek and Cretan dialects. Other then that all the other varieties (there are dozens) are extinct

[@Threezi04]

@@cossackhistorian7425 Even those are becoming diluted by standard Greek, I remember reading an article about a Muslim Cretan from a Syrian village (ancestors came there in 1800s) who came to Greece as a refugee and even people in rural Crete found him hard to understand since his dialect was so archaic since it hadn't been tainted by exposure to standard Greek.

[@kaetrianos]

medieval greek I think is separate from koine

[@kabouktli]

@@cossackhistorian7425 Several dozens of local variants of Greek are still spoken. But they are not dialects, they are idioms. Neither are Cretan or Cypriot dialects. They're way too close to standard modern Greek, compared to Pontic or Griko, to be considered separate dialects.

[@elenal2012]

They are dialects and you forgot Cyprus. We are Έλληνες Ellines, please respect our identity and our language.

[@isag.s.174]

Griko uses the latin alphabet?

[@stephmod7434]

Yes.

[@supermavro6072]

@@stephmod7434 greek use phonecian alphabet

[@stephmod7434]

@@supermavro6072 inpisred by the Phoenician alphabet*

[@supermavro6072]

@@stephmod7434 It's phonecian, Many greeks today descended from phoenicians

[@stephmod7434]

@@supermavro6072 no as Phoenician was written from right to left not left to right.

[@1Guy12]

Greeks have no languages,and to be honest its kind of difficult for one branch to evolve as the language tends to be perfect in every aspect.These are dialects,meaning how you prefer to speak the language,not a different language.

[@andreaskarras8725]

Laconia (not Lycania)

[@blah329]

What do they speak in Cyprus? What type of Greek?

[@supermavro6072]

They speak Turkish

[@blah329]

@@supermavro6072 the Greek Cypriots don't.

[@supermavro6072]

@@blah329 GreekCypriots are orthodox Turks

[@supermavro6072]

@@blah329 They are othodoxTurks

[@blah329]

@@supermavro6072 😂 ok…. I only have family there who are Greek Orthodox and speak Greek…but if you say so…

[@electrolina1]

Cyprus Greek also

[@νικηκεραμιδα]

Δεν εχεις βαλει τις περισσοτερες εκδοχες της ελληνικης γλωττας !!!!

[@Marble8King]

There are no "Hellenic Languages". There is just the Hellenic brunch of Indo-European languages with Greek being its sole member. All these are merely dialects of Greek, while Koine was an earlier form of Greek, not a dialect or a language.

[@XuanMelendez]

FALTA EL DÓRICO! Es genial, la variedad más bella del griego.

[@aroma13]

El tsaconico es el dorico, se habla en Lycania, donde vivían los espartanos, una diferencia prominente es que en el griego ionico(griego koine, griego moderno y las otras variedades de griego en el video) hay palabras con,, e/i" y en dórico hay palabras con,, a", por ejemplo, en griego moderno(ionico) hay la palabra,, simera", que significa,, hoy", y en tsaconico(dórico), hay la palabra,, samere", con la,, a"

[@kabouktli]

In the Pater Noster prayer, the Koine version (which is the original form of the text, and the only one used in Greece) is pronounced in the video almost as it were Modern Greek, with slight deviations towards Erasmian ancient Greek. I don't know if such a pronunciation is considered historically accurate. Of course in Modern Greece all versions of Ancient Greek follow Modern Greek pronunciation.

[@jackalhead7433]

Even the Griko is more legible to modern Greek compared to the Tsakonian

[@DimitrisTziounis]

Yes because grammatically the griko dialect is a direct evolution of medieval greek like modern greek.

[@greekcracks687]

You forgot Cypriot greek but it's ok

[@ete-ge6ed]

It's a dialect.

[@alexandroskampas8129]

Cyprus dialekt it's also one defrens Greek dialekt 🇨🇾❤

[@maganikos3788]

you forget the cypriot greek

[@otaggokcer6875]

Koine/Istanbul Greek is a beautiful Greek language.

[@НикитаБессмертный-ъ3с]

The map of Greek speaking area could be bigger

[@SirBolsón]

She forgot the speakers around the rest of the Middle-East.

[@НикитаБессмертный-ъ3с]

@@SirBolsón I was talking more about history, if you got what I mean

[@SirBolsón]

@@НикитаБессмертный-ъ3с Oh yea, yeah, same here! Needs to be much bigger! 🇬🇷

[@joseg.solano1891]

Standard German, Standard Austrian German & Standard Swiss German compared, please

[@Stef77777]

Clearly a non greek speaking man presents the koine greek...

[@irsinium]

My grandma speaks Tsakonika

[@gpatoy5976]

The one that made voice over for the koine i am preatty sure he is not Greek (or atlest Greek is not his mother tongue ) he sounds like a foreigner .

[@gpatoy5976]

Very nice video by the way .

[@irinigago]

Lieber Andy. Egal welches " griechisch" du nimmst😂. Es ist ελληνική γλώσσα 🇬🇷. Mit ihrem Alphabet, Schrift und Grammatik. Und darauf sind wir stolz.

[@Mpampis00-w3v]

you forgot cypriot

[@TheGreatDodecahendron]

please abaza!

[@manguard1976]

You forgot the Cappadocian and Cypriotic Dialects.

[@darkblunight]

Tsakonian numerals have been evolved Attic-like

[@zaeusidaeus6475]

Greek language is one. Everywhere!

[@mustakman]

Its not diffrent languages. Its the same evolving thing.

[@ethem8284]

ee where's Cypriot greek in this list??

[@KingsleyAmuzu]

Since I keep asking this too much, I requested something old ago like Estonian and Japanese?

[@SKITNICA95]

Byzantine Greek still pronounced ETA letter as E.

[@SirBolsón]

*Roman Greek The ""Byzantines"" still proudly proclaimed themselves Romans ("Ρωμαίοι") even after the Western half died...

[@Bepples]

It was probably already being pronounced as i in the Byzantine era. We say Christian not Chrestian after all.

[@SirBolsón]

@@Bepples *Roman era but yes you make a good point.

[@enyalios316]

​​@@Bepples"Christian" comes from Χριστιανός with an iota. The name Χρῆστος is in its spelling unrelated to it and comes from χρηστός (good/useful). But yes, η was already iotacized by the middle koine period.

[@SKITNICA95]

@@Bepples That's from Khristos, not Khréstos.

[@KingsleyAmuzu]

Could you make Taiwanese Chinese and Japanese?

[@randomperson1408]

Koine people called it "kai (kay) not ké".

[@tasosfilippoy]

Tsakonian and Pontic greek grammar and syntax are much closer to Koine greek and Kathareuousa modern greek.

[@dimkit9714]

what ever you call Hellenic languages is just one language, the Hellenic language, Greek language in English...the language evolved from the bronze age contimually up to the fall of Byzantine empire to Turks...during Turkish harsh occupation without any schools and education system the language, that people, not scholars, spoke deteriorated and evolved in different dialects in different parts of the Greek land...after the Greek revolution in 1821 and creation of a united Greek state, grammar and syntax rules were officially set and the language was 'restored'...what ever you call pontic etc are Greek dialects spoken in various areas as they were formed by the end of the turkish occupation, they are not different languages

[@Natanael_3]

Guys, I have a question. I'm learning ancient greek. Can I understand koine greek Materials!??!

[@eetuerrenor5757]

Yes, of course, although they are different as much as standard english from Shakespearean.

[@kkyrezis]

And if you familiarise yourself with koine, understanding modern Greek would be ez. Three birds with one stone.

[@BlueLena]

Yes

[@Natanael_3]

@@kkyrezis oh, really? Fascinating. Thanks

[@pirukiddingme1908]

Isnt Cypriot Greek different from modern standard?

[@brunilda]

yes, it is

[@pirukiddingme1908]

@@brunilda thought so, why wouldn’t they include that if this is meant to be all the greeks

[@DCCrisisclips]

@@pirukiddingme1908 It's missing quite a few Greek dialects. I wish they included Cappadocian diaclect as it sounds a bit different than standard Greek

[@ete-ge6ed]

Yes, but Cypriot is considered a dialect not a language. There is not much difference, as you probably know. Cypriot Greek are almost identical to Dodecanesean, by the way.

[@Mc-attac]

Cypriot Greek

[@ete-ge6ed]

Dialect.

[@elgee6202]

Where in the world do Pontians speak this dialect? The only ones I've met speak Russian as a native language and learn standard Greek as a second language after relocating to Greece or Cyprus.

[@stephmod7434]

In Macedonia most villages are Pontic.

[@DimitrisTziounis]

@@stephmod7434 That's not true but there are indeed a few villages which are inhabited exclusively by Pontians. I know this very well because I'm from Central Macedonia.

[@Demetrios123]

Still spoken by some Muslims in Pontus as well. Search videos on youtube

[@ntinos81]

Pontus region is located north eastern of today's Turkey.

[@supermavro6072]

@@stephmod7434 they came from population exchange

[@ellas6017]

Πρόκειται περί της πλουσιοτερας εκ των ομιλουμενων γλωσσων. Η μητέρα των γλωσσων θα έλεγα. Τοσο ανάγλυφη,τοσο γλαφυρή τόσο εκφραστικά απίθανη. Ας το μάθουν όλοι λοιπόν.

[@floriankociu7251]

Caucasian Pontic Greek south Russia,has nothing to do with the ancient.

[@dankmemewannabe]

Oh my tickle

[@usej_itaf_zita]

Υπαρχει και η αρβανιτικη γλωσσα Δεν μοιαζει με καμμια απο τις αλλες Ο παππους μου την μιλαγε Μοιαζει λιγακι με την αλβανικη

[@REd-ru5ce]

Τα αρβανίτικα προέρχονται από τα αλβανικά. Δεν είναι ελληνική γλώσσα. Ίσως, πιο πολύ με αλβανική διάλεκτο μοιάζει. Δυστοιχώς, είναι μια γλώσσα που πεθαίνει.

[@diskoshan9752]

!!!

[@ndrx106]

Tsakonian Greek seems to be a fusion between Greek and the pronunciation of the Sicilian language

[@gewrgiospanagiwtidhs5500]

Macedonia byzantine Ellen empire

[@Astrapogiannos]

Long live the United States of Greece!

[@ΑλέξανδροςΙ]

Pastitsian.From the famous saint pasta.Τhe real name of Greece must be Cristianovlahistan...Ask the Greeks tha called from the priests SHEEPS to tell you why!!!!!!!

[@stinejrgensen1237]

1

[@horus4411]

Kappadokian greek

[@stellapng9592]

Wtf

[@9_9876]

Free Aromanians/Vlachs

[@DCCrisisclips]

lol they fought for the Greek revolution. They are Greeks. Vlachoi are Greeks full stop. They say it themselves too and most history shows that vlachoi descend from Greeks, Thracians, Illyrians and Dacians who lived near the old Roman roads and got latinised

[@9_9876]

@@DCCrisisclips indeed half of Greece was built by Aromanians and the other half by arvanites and souliotes

[@Lonelywolf1312.]

​@@DCCrisisclipsyou dont know history well go back to school...they fought for Christianity and freedom.the term Greek was not even used before 1822

[@DimitrisTziounis]

@@9_9876 The "Vlachs" of Greece were Greeks who were latinized during the Roman empire and this conclusion is based on scientific researches(!). As for the Arvanites, I don't know much about them but what I know for sure is that they used to live as an isolated group in some mountainous villages of southern Greece and in fact they were just a small minority according to the first census which took place after the foundation of the modern Greek state.

[@9_9876]

@@DimitrisTziounis what do you mean by "Vlachs"? Why the quotes? You don't even want to recognise them as a group, independently from the question of whether they are Greeks or not. This is how you treat the people that fought for you? Typical Greek chauvinism.

[@MrAllmightyCornholioz]

ZEUS BLESS GREECE

[@EnergeiaRhythmos]

Zeus that lusty pervert?

[@floriankociu7251]

Ancient Greek spoken Albanian 🇦🇱🤫🤫

[@malamatinas1]

😂 ok man!

[@wankawanka3053]

😂 where are the albanian inscriptions

[@alechianese01]

As an italian, it's ridiculous. Don't tell me that my name has Albanian origins, too😂😂😂😂

[@davidscwimer1974]

Albanian 😂

[@ellinmakedon1216]

Albanians dreams😂😂😂