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[@HelloFutureMe]

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[@poenpotzu2865]

Glad to see Sojourn is getting more attentuon.

[@Carlos-bz5oo]

I'm aspiring to becom a screenwriter. Avatar has helped me a lot in regards to that

[@matthewmuir8884]

I have long thought that a good idea for a third avatar series would be one focused on two siblings, with the older sibling being the Avatar. But I always thought that the other sibling should just be an ordinary bender, not only as twin avatars is a dumb idea, but because I think an ordinary bender being a sibling of the Avatar has far more storytelling potential. Incidentally, I thought of a post-apocalyptic world, but one where a tyrant killed Korra, and I thought of one sibling being an amputee (specifically, the non-Avatar sibling), so, apart from the twin-avatar idea, I'm wondering if the creators read my mind.

[@pyeitme508]

No

[@kr4261]

While I agree with the sentiment regarding the twin avatars for the most part, I actually think if done right it could be quite interesting. If the twins are divided by their inner spirits, one being Vaatu and the other Raava, it could provide a setting in which we could see an “evil” avatar but instead of it just being Vaatu’s twin being the dark avatar, it could be done through Raava’s twin. If the children are separated at a young age, one taken to be the Avatar, told they hold the pure spirit of Raava, that they’ve come in the wake of this great world shattering calamity to be it’s savoir, it could put them in a prime situation to become overly egotistical, self-serving and perhaps even blindly self-righteous, after all Vaatu is in their twin, they are the embodiment of light and good, so what they do must be right? On the other hand, Vaatu’s twin would be raised with this stigma, the literal incarnation of darkness and evil. Perhaps their power comes with the draw back of trying to fight off Vaatu’s influence, a constant struggle to do what’s right and prove themselves more than the spirit they carry. Finding success gaining potential support could put them in direct conflict with their twin whose been basically fed with this idea that they’re the chosen Savior all their life suddenly finding their “evil” twin showing them up, driving them down a darker path out of pettiness. That itself might be too simple I guess but, I dunno, I don’t hate the idea.

[@hiimchrisj]

I’ll say that, if nothing else, I think the idea of a Ghibli-style adventure story of a couple little kids exploring a surreal post-apocalyptic landscape sounds like a fun as hell direction to the the franchise. I can get behind a more kid-focused tone if it’s genuinely more Ghibli inspired rather than like Nick Jr vibes. Like you can make it fantastical with storybook themes but don’t be afraid to make it creepy and weird and dark.

[@livliveart]

This sounds awesome ngl, I hope it's this

[@vraisairs9201]

I hope that’s how it goes, but I’m worried it will be more miraculous than Nausicaa

[@newsaxonyproductions7871]

Yes exactly, just like the original series

[@BiggestCorvid]

My parents whenever they see anything remotely challenging like a ghibli movie: "You mean this is for kids?! It's so creepy and scary!" Me: dad, it's ponyo

[@quinqueshire6847]

Twin Avatars could be fun if they did it in one of two ways. Either 1) they connect the cataclysm that broke the world to breaking the Avatar spirit. Maybe give each twin two elements instead of all four, or 2) have a Light Avatar & a Dark Avatar, but use that to recontextualize the spirits away from being capital-G Good & capital-E Evil and closer to the sort of passivity / activity split that's closer to Yin & Yang.

[@CharmedPop]

This was very similar to how I think they could make it work very well! If they don't know which one is the reincarnation of Raava/Vaatu and the reveal is that they've got parts of both, it would be a way to move away from good/evil and add a check and balance to future avatars which might be needed since they're kind of OP. The initial reaction to them finding out they are reincarnated in part from Vaatu could bring a lot of drama and depth to the characters BECAUSE it was portrayed so black and white in Korra. If they do take one of the main complaints of the previous avatar, and instead of sweeping it under the rug, decide to recontextualize it for the better - I think that's pretty ballsy and a sign this is going to be wonderful!

[@Sennodev]

I really like the idea of them having 2 bending each

[@pedroff_1]

​@CharmedPop Maybe even it can be contextualised that this chaos brought to the world is actually the result of the balance between raava and vaatu being broken by Korra, and, despite what it seemed, both were very important. Also, I hope we get something involving Zaheer, he was awesome and even pointed out the "the villain had a point" situation to Korra

[@Cass0wary_399]

@@SennodevI think the only the Vaatu Avatar should have 2 elements of Earth and Water(From Unaloq) and later idk find the Fire Lion Turtle Aang talked to or find an Air Lion Turtle that slept for millennia to get the other elements.

[@This_Is_Something]

You just explained why it's a terrible idea. Its fanfic, and we dont need that shit in the mainline story. Light and Dark avatar idea is so westernized and Korra already proved why its a terrible idea. Actually I'm not going into it, its because of you clowns that we got a shit Korra fan fic story in the first place.

[@AceHufflepuff]

I think it would be so funny if it's a recurring issue in the Earth Kingdom that they just fck up on who the Avatar is every time lol. If the theory of each Avatar has to fix an issue the previous one left unattended, prevails then maybe the twins have to figure out how to gain the past lives back. That would prove then WHO the real avatar is. I'm open to the idea so long as they BOTH aren't actually THE Avatar. It IS like something out of bad fanfic where Aang had a sister who is also SPECIAL in some way.

[@Soguwe]

The least spiritual nation having problems finding their avatar is a very fun throughline

[@Kagomai15]

Reminds me of when I was 12 and had the idea that the Southern Airbenders (we hadn't been there yet, it's been 18 years) had developed a way (via colour-coded spiritual tattoos) for someone to bend all elements without being the Avatar in order to combat the Fire Nation and decided to do it to a 14 year old girl 😂 then the Fire Nation attacked and the Air Nomads locked her in a hidden room to protect her and she had to meditate to survive off energy from the spirit realm because she couldn't get out. Aang's reawakening triggers her awake too, and then I didn't write any more than that 😂

[@tetsatou2815]

If the idea of spirits entering the material world/merging is correct, you could very easily create a situation where spirits are offering just any random Tom, Dick, or Lee Avatar-like powers, in exchange for something that will further its own end goals. Could even distinguish this from the actual Avatar with the caveat that the powers don't reincarnate to a new user, so none of them have the edge of having a thousand generations of past lives they can call on for tactical advice, clout, or to just hand the controller over to when getting bodied by a high spec bender they just lack the know how to stand up to directly.

[@wires-sl7gs]

If anything, that sounds more like the concept excitedly poorly rather than the twin avatars idea being bad.

[@megroy6396]

They haven't SAID this, but I do want this to be Bryke and Yee making fun of the fact that the Chinese government is hellbent on "choosing" the next incarnation of the Dalai Lama (instead of "letting" the monks doing the toy selection thing again).

[@Marie45610]

The age of the Avatar never stopped me from watching the show. I was a senior in high school when ATLA came out and I still watched it.

[@WolframiteWraith]

If it's a great show people of all ages will watch it. It's really that simple.

[@datadash8378]

Your old

[@Marie45610]

@@datadash8378 👵

[@newsaxonyproductions7871]

Yep, I was 14 when I watched it all, and I love it to this day. The same goes for other "kid shows"

[@BiggestCorvid]

I watched Avatar when I was 29. I am Old. I love it. The show has a courage to do things that most other shows won't. The worst episode is the fire nation nepo-baby beach party episode and I still appreciate what they were trying to accomplish

[@biologygeek4242]

As much as I'm hesitant about the post apocalypse vibes of these leaks, it makes sense in universe. As soon as Korra decided to leave the spirit portals open I went "You seriously want to make it easier for nature spirits to be in the physical world during the industrial revolution? One bulldozed forest to make room for a new factory and you're going to have a permanent angry panda spirit destroying the world.".

[@sammonesilver]

Yeah i didnt expect the jump to be this big, but i guess they just didnt want to make it too modern/real-worldy after the industrial developments... Which is fair enough, lol. But somewhere in between would have been nice, Korra made some big changes in the world, they didnt have to turn this bad, this soon, she already had it rough enough :(

[@RabbitShirak]

Exactly. By the end of Korra, WHAT had actually changed with the introduction of the Spirit portals? You see some spirits moving about and spirit vines growing. Pretty anticlimactic.

[@TheJadeFist]

Hey dont' go blaming humans for everything here. The spirits are living disaster in themselves. The two worlds needed to remain separate, forcing them together is obviously stupid and will kill almost everyone. The spirits would obviously take over the physical world and mortal world just kind of ends up a loser in this pairing. She literally decided, screw it I'm doing the apocalypse because TOLERANCE or some stupid shit like that.

[@doublehelixalchemist8678]

@@sammonesilveryeah, I agree. I wish they picked one of the past Avatars

[@AE-ld9ck]

These have all been confirmed as fake leaks this past fall... I don’t know why it’s still being pushed. 🤦🏻‍♀The creators announced are making a prequel of sorts for Korra, with the team rebuilding the world post war. Eric Nam is confirmed as Adult Aang’s voice actor.

[@nickp359]

I'm hoping that it is a light avatar/dark avatar thing BUT that they never reveal who has which spirit. Having them constantly justify whether they are the 'light' one or the 'dark' one I feel like would lead to a lot of introspection and would lead to the same kind of coming-of-age themes that we know and love from this series.

[@nathancarter8239]

I had the idea that each Avatars represent order and chaos, but also control and freedom. Like one Avatar softens or avoids conflict and the other stirs things up. But I think your use of ambiguity would be absolutely brilliant.

[@zlonglea]

i feel like the light and dark avatar doesn’t make sense. Vaatu was “destroyed” by Korra so that means he should be in Raava. If we’re going to stay on canon. I Hate Idea

[@Cathexas]

All I can say is, if they do have a "light" Avatar and a "dark" Avatar, I hope come up with something more interesting than good Vs. evil. They have an opportunity to make that break down that dichotomy between Rava and Vatu and create something more complex and interesting than they did before. I hope the writers make the most of it.

[@TheJadeFist]

I actually kinda like that idea of, being ambiguous about it. They can both be good guys, or at least having plausible motivations for their actions with good intentions to justify their actions.

[@TheArtisticGamer7]

@@zlonglea Raava is in the avatar though. And Vaatu strives to remove himself from Raava. So it WOULD make sense that when he gets reborn into the cycle (harmonic convergence quickened the process) the reincarnation would be a pair of twins where one had Raava the other having Vaatu. I do like what nickp here said tho, not knowing which spirit was which and having a twist where the "good" twin has Vaatu, and the "bad" twin has Raava. Would be an interesting plot device and does have bearing on the previously explained lore. Which i must remind, is not at all comprehensive and is easily subject to change.

[@AntrozLPs]

I think that the Twin Avatars might actually be the creators' attempt at fixing the criticism everyone had of Korra S2. Maybe they will do a soft retcon of the good/evil dynamic and spin it into the order/chaos that everyone wanted it to be instead, and the series will be about everyone realizing that "balance" does mean two Avatars working together. At least that's what I hope to happen. What gives me hope, however, is the fact that the "dark Avatar" twin is 9 years old. I don't think the series would go so dark as to turn a 9 year old into a villain that needs to be brought down.

[@ANJIN-p4q]

Don't previous avatars guide the new toward a righteous path? If they take that evil avatar route, then whatever ends up motivating evil avatar needs to be so humanistic that it doesn't seem evil at all

[@Happyli_Incimpetont]

I mean, 9 is one solid timeskip from being Azula

[@kaffka4753]

They could make the villain like Jinx, traumatic child that just raised wrong. I mean they dont need to fight at age 9, they probally gonna meet each, befriend and have a fallout. I just hope it wont be woke. The last thing people would care in a apocalyptic world is their pronounce.

[@Chrome166]

This. I actually believe that they can do something good with this plot dynamic. They didn't give Unalaq/Vaatu the time to be a humanized villain, but literally every other Korra villain was about doing just that. And the fact that they are potentially tying the entire theming of the new series to this dynamic means they know exactly what part of Korra still needs the most development. I'm super hyped for this.

[@Lumberjack_king]

@@kaffka4753 the last you need to care about is it being “woke”

[@NotesFromTheVoid]

I've read enough fanfiction to know that "twin avatars" is probably a stupid idea, but the spiritpocalypse seems interesting.

[@artofzetsu6130]

yeah, spiritual apocalypse seems something new and interesting. After TLOK there is no way the world stay stable.

[@Comuniity_]

we've also been explictly told that if an Avatar is a twin, only 1 one them is the Avatar. Roku had a twin brother. Even with the Vaatu shit theres no reason why the one with Vaatu should be able to bend all the elements cause the reason the Avatar can is cause Raava carried 3/4 bending abilities at a time for Wan and when they fused it allowed Wan to use them all without the extra step of Raava passing through him

[@TheJadeFist]

@@artofzetsu6130 Ya I think Korra ended really stupid, like, great, all these spirits that just freak out and starting causing disasters if a mortal has a stray thought or emotion. Let's cram these completely incompatible forms of life to live together.

[@matthewmuir8884]

I haven't read any fanfiction, and I've always thought that an Avatar show about two siblings would be a good idea, but specifically with only one being the Avatar and the other being an ordinary bender.

[@AS-ri1mb]

@@Comuniity_ No, you've had one example where that happened. Clearly here something different is at play. People need a more open mind about this rather than sticking to rigid "rules" as if they cant be expanded upon.

[@deandredukes95]

The Avatar in a post apocalyptic world sounds intriguing if done right

[@artofzetsu6130]

But it will give Korra bad name once again.

[@toadlord8594]

@@artofzetsu6130I mean if Korra in this image died young than that’s just plain depressing to her character. Here’s hoping we’ll at least see more of her post series adventures in some kinda flashbacks or something.

[@PhoenixFireZero]

​@@artofzetsu6130not much that can be done there. Probably a lot of avatars throughout history have been dealt a bad hand

[@vetarlittorf1807]

Yes but I worry that it will validate the Korra haters.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

@@toadlord8594 It's not just sad. It's unpleasantly nihilistic. Korra had gone through so much and deserves a long happy life with Asami.

[@icarue993]

I'm actually not against having two avatars, assuming they retcon Raava and Vatu to be more ying yang that good or evil. Raava being order, stability; and Vatu being chaos, freedom. Specially in things like cyberpunk or post apocalyptic, these thematic show a lot. In Mad Max the Fury Road, order and stability is staying with the tyrant that holds water and takes away pretty women, while freedom and chaos would be stealing said women from that, breaking down the regime, etc etc.

[@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus]

YES, exactly. That part of TLoK was the worst. Order isn't always a good thing, it often leads to stagnation and oppression. The balance of order/stagnation and chaos/freedom/change embodied by Raava and Vaatu would have been a perfect overarching narrative... If only they hadn't made Vaatu a generic bad guy. I guess this depiction of Vaatu is appropriate for a version of TLoK in which Korra only ever fights to maintain the status quo, but a better version of the show would have acknowledged that change and transformation are often necessary, even if they entail the destruction of the old in favour of the new. Korra should have merged with Raava AND Vaatu at the end of the show. Kuvria would have been the perfect final antagonist to demonstrate how order and stability can turn into fаsсism. It is honestly just sad how much wasted potential this show has...

[@Kingstar1139]

The issue with that is they already have ying yang primordial spirits with Twi and La (the koi fish, moon and ocean spirits), so it would be weird for the same set up with Raava and Vaatu

[@ericmarshall3629]

@Kingstar1139 They kind of already did the yin yang implication with Raava and Vaatu, but then went the starwars route of "Balance" is light beating the %$@# out of darkness; and Twi and La were only connected via the interplay of there respective Yin and Yang aspects, not meant to be it's totality.

[@balabanasireti]

​@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus meh

[@icarue993]

@ I want to imagine a lot of pair spirits have that connotation. Twi and La were spirits of the moon and ocean, more so than ying and yang.

[@XXGreyGhostXX]

IMO having Vaatu be just as important to the spirit world and the elements as Raava and the two avatars achieving harmony between themselves to begin healing the world and undoing the damage caused by the original Avatar would be a good way to redeem the Raava/Vaatu concept and continue the cycle of each avatar having to deal with the mistakes of past avatars. Would be interesting also to have it start out with the light avatar seeming the 'good' one only to become consumed by jealousy and become arguably the worse of the twins, a bit of a false lead.

[@balabanasireti]

No, thanks

[@Eheh589]

@@balabanasiretiif they branch from the world of Korras writing it’s honestly over

[@SunburnCity]

I gotta be honest I think they completely, unredeemably messed up the entire Avatar concept with the introduction of Raava/Vaatu. That alone has ruined the entire series for me personally and it shows that it is so ill thought out and at odds with all the other Eastern-inspired ideas from the OG series.

[@hadrianhexe9603]

agreed, the issue was never the fact they had light and dark, the issue was that they portray light and dark as fundamentally good and evil, which doesn't work.

[@SnappyDude]

Could be that something korra did split her reincarnation in half. Maybe the spirit is just splig between them and in the end only one of them end up with it. But im not against a light dark avatar split. This could be a good way to lightly retcon the issues adding complexity to the spirits

[@Thetonn]

I think a straight successor avatar to Korra is a mistake. I would have jumped a 'cycle', and have the new earth avatar be the one four after Korra to give more space on the gap in between and give more scope for interesting Avatar's between the two (and give the story a bit more distance). I would then have the issue be that with the new technology, both benders and avatars become mostly obsolete, with the previous Avatar basically just acting as a powerless figurehead until something actually goes wrong and they are woefully unprepared to deal with it, so rather than an 'evil' Avatar, just an incompetent one.

[@darkcreatureinadarkroom1617]

I wouldn't have thought a gap would be absolutely necessary in order to create the environment for the plot you suggest... We know that the public opinion regarding the avatar and its role changed considerably during Korra's lifetime, add to that the advancements in technology and the fact that the next avatar is an "Earth" avatar (possibly the hardest to track given the size of the Earth Kingdom and all the intermingling that happened with Fire Nation natives for... I think a couple centuries at this point), and it kinda makes sense to me that finding the avatar and building up their power would be considered low priority... And then the spiritual world starts acting up.

[@AE-ld9ck]

I heard last fall this entire theory was fake, the creators announced the new series already and it’s nothing like this.

[@rai2423]

@@AE-ld9ckWell what is it then? I hope it’s better than whatever this is 😂

[@parkermm]

You know what, if the material and spirit worlds have fully overlapped, then I kinda really like that the Avatar would be mirrored and split into twins. That could be an interesting dynamic if their power set is split as well. Where one is a traditional bender while one is strictly spiritual.

[@parkermm]

I would much rather see them with a power set that forces them to work together, rather than one just being a good avatar while the other is an evil one

[@sammonesilver]

@@parkermm Agreed! A story where just one sibling is the avatar would also be fascinating though! so far i dont think we know any avatars that had siblings, let alone twins. I wonder if it thats just how avatars work(ed), being single child.

[@LurchTheBastard]

@@parkermm If they literally have half the set each, at least to begin with, that could be interesting.

[@Timmir00]

​@@sammonesilverWe actually learned that Roku had a twin brother according to the books. Which is partly why I don't fully buy the whole Twin Avatars thing given how they just established that's not how it works.

[@MDP1702]

So one is a bender that can control all 4 elements but nothing more and the other can go into the avatar state (and bend the elements in it), but can't bend outside the avatar state and also spirit herself into the spirit world? That might be a very interesting concept and would also lead to an interesting relationship and storylines.

[@Briskeeen]

I'm partially convinced that avatar was truly lighting in a bottle that'll never be recreated

[@funkydiscogod]

That's only true because they haven't have any creativity in decades.

[@Zhohan-]

Aaron Ehasz and Elizabeth Welch were the heart and soul of the characters. Bryan and Michael were more of the humor and story premise guys, yet Michael and Bryan get all of the credit while the original lead writers are long gone. It's obvious Bryan and Michael just want to make new shows but they won't get anything greenlit unless they call it Avatar.

[@ZarriawithaJ]

LoK is a good series

[@funkydiscogod]

@ I bet you liked The Acolyte, too.

[@Zhohan-]

@ It has its moments but the writing and worldbuilding isn't even close to ATLA in quality.

[@lordapex5288]

I think that two Avatars could only work if they explained that since Vaatu was destroyed he started reforming inside of Raava, who was inside of Korra, meaning that theoretically they could have taken over twins, especially if there was a disruption in the balance. Especially since Unaloq only didn’t have multiple bending because of Vaatu not holding the other bending energies like Raava did, but if Vaatu is inside of Raava then he could get some of that energy from Raava, hopefully the twins are weaker than normal though

[@matthewpinn4]

Maybe include that they can't fully avatar state unless they're together, which could work with forcing them back together despite their disputes. Maybe even 2 elements each

[@lordapex5288]

@ I thought of the two elements each thing, but then things would get weird since they are from the Earth Kingdom part of the cycle, but the avatar state thing could be pretty interesting. EDIT: said avatar when I meant element

[@joesunday199]

@@matthewpinn4 That makes no sense. Forcing them together is bad for their characters and splitting the Elements harms the Avatar Cycle.

[@seant8292]

I find the prospect of twins where one is the avatar and the other one is a regular bender would actually be incredible. Especially if jealously caused the non-avatar twin to get so much hatred that they’re the main antagonist. Could be a really good series.

[@Marshmellow3971]

Honestly if they were going to make a new avatar show I would have preferred Toph & Zuko’s life changing field trip. But I’ll give this a shot.

[@ANJIN-p4q]

That's can probably be fitted into 2 episodes. A think fans need a new world building with new fascinating characters. It needs to align with the timeline aswell. I'd hate to see another great series ruined

[@Tibovl]

A major part of this video is about how it's avatar's strength that they do not keep milking already existing and beloved characters. ATLA is done, let it rest. Trying to explain every single noodle incident and make a different series about minor characters is what people really dislike about Star Wars.

[@Marshmellow3971]

@Tibovl It’s a joke bro.

[@Nightmarechs75]

I like how the cities and wastes echo back to Wan's time with the Lion turtles and Spirit Wilds. That maybe Korra opening the spirit portals did lead to a catastrophe that merged the material and spirit worlds.

[@TheJadeFist]

If stray thoughts and emotions from mortals can make the spirits go on a rampage or rewrite the laws of physics and shape the landscape, everyone is totally screwed. She destroyed the world, there is 0% chance this merging idea was going to be a good thing for the mortal world, the spirits are more powerful and frankly more volatile. Even in the back story of the world they showed in Korra with the first avatar, showed this world where humans had to hide away in walled off sanctuaries or DIE. Further more, the Spirits still have the spirit world, it didn't cease to exist, so they get two worlds and humans get to become an endangered species... Korra was an idiot.

[@swannspitzer947]

I honestly like to think of Pavi and Nisha more as an Optimus and Megatron dynamic. They could both act to bring balance to the world but Pavi could be more about finding a non violent way where Nisha doesn't hesitate to resort to violence and this would create the conflict between them.

[@darkcreatureinadarkroom1617]

Am I the only one who thought Pavi has a lot of Aang vibes while the Nisha concept sounds very much like Korra? Could this be an attempt to play with that dynamic we never really get to see in the previous series (for obvious reasons)? It could be a nod both to a new audience and a nostalgic audience at the same time... It could be interesting, assuming they balance tone correctly (Aang is kinda cringe in the first few episodes of ATLA, and Korra is supposed to be older and more mature...)

[@Thane1904]

Damn, this might actually be interesting. Bro kinda of cooked​@@darkcreatureinadarkroom1617

[@ektran4205]

more like the twins from the acolyte

[@Cheesy606]

Some of my thoughts about this possible series: -The twin avatars seems like a great opportunity to revisit Vaatu and Raava, maybe each of the avatars would have 1 of the spirits inside them and the story is about finding balance between them. Personally I would hope this would be a good chance for them to delve more into the yin and yang nature of the 2 as opposed to korra where it seemed more like good vs evil. -The world was becoming far more technological in Korra so I hope maybe an emphasis on rediscovering lost spirituality would be in the cards too. -Perhaps part of the cause of the cataclysm was an imbalance due to Raava's "dominance" leading to stagnation and population decline, the ultimate "peace" - there is nothing more chaotic than life after all.

[@HeyHereTer]

I think twin avatars would be an interesting idea. Just like you, white lotus could take the idea of twins as so bizare... they would train only one child. Creating a dynamic of golden and forgotten child.

[@sammonesilver]

I just hope they will end up working together and both being valuable, not just 'one is evil', the world is known for its nuance and inclusivity. Always the silly (side) characters like Bolin still contribute to the battles massively etc

[@kingofhearts3185]

I agree with you both. While the obvious answer is the Vaatu kid getting ignored, the opposite would be amazing.

[@RabbitShirak]

@@sammonesilverI just wish the franchise would (for once) mention that yin and yang are NOT good and evil. They're supposed to complete each by being opposite forces.

[@kiidkif2009]

I'm hoping the one they thing have Raava is the one tht actually has Vaatu and tht bith spirits have nothing to do with their personalities at all ​@sammonesilver

[@kiidkif2009]

​@@kingofhearts3185omg yes😂😂

[@anotherjon6997]

I think there is good thematic potential in the dark/light Avatar idea if handled right. As a lot of fans assume, having a dark and light Avatar appears to be an automatic evil and good duality from the offset; but I could see the show playing with this idea where the light is not always good or the dark is not always evil and that both light and dark need to coexist. You can also play with the idea of someone being the embodiment of an evil spirit choosing, or at least trying, to be good. There are a lot of interesting ways to approach this, and with the right writers, you could make this work. With the main characters also being so much younger, I have two theories to this: 1. The characters are going to age with the series: whether it be in real time or even time jumps, we could see years taking place between seasons. 2. The characters are indeed intended to be directed at a younger audience / new fans: this one fits from a business standpoint with the other Avatar projects in production, such as the movie focusing on the original gaang, made to appeal to old fans and that nostalgia-fandom you talked about in the video, while this new series is made mainly with drawing new audiences in mind. Basically, this would let Paramount have their cake and eat it too. There could be a case where both theories end up being true as well.

[@mister_r447]

I actually hope it's Raava and Vaatu related. It's an oportunity to redeem the concept rather then ignoring it. Maybe Vaatu acted all evil because he himself was corrupted and when Korra defeated him at the end of season 2 he got purified! I also hope Pavi is the one with Vaatu. She is said to be the weaker twin, which would make sense, since Vaatu would have become weak after being defeated, becoming just a small part of Raava.

[@danielmunoz1275]

Me too. I think people misunderstand Raava and Vaatu too much. They represent so much more than just "good vs evil". They are opposing natures that ultimately conform everything. The yin and yang. Order and chaos, conflict and resolution, failure and triumph, light and darkness, most importantly, in my opinion: beginnings and ends. This is also why I think it is fitting that Vaatu (using Unalaq's body) is the one who practically ended the previous Avatar cycle. When Raava comes back, a new cycle starts. It's even poetic. One thing I'll admit is that TLOK should've gone deeper with Vaatu's and Unalaq's motivations. Because what I'm about to say is my own interpretation and NOT something that the show explicitly establishes. I think Vaatu acted so "evil" both in the past with Wan and in Korra's time because he was genuinely angry and upset about the state of the world in Wan's time and of being trapped and sensing stagnation in Korra's time. Who was going to affect negatively the most in Vaatu's 10,000 years of influence? The spirits did become more aggressive and monstrous, but aside from that, Vaatu didn't seem to mistreat them. Humans were the ones who would suffer, and they were starting to displace Spirits from their territory/homes. Then, after 10,000 years, now in Korra's time. Vaatu sees that Wan's actions created an order with a cycle that actually causes stagnation: Humans get at odds with each other (or with spirits, even when they are in two separate worlds), the Avatar comes to establish peace. One way or another peace is achieved or not depending on the current Avatar's success, but eventually they die, and strife comes back as soon as that happens or their dead is because strife started again. Rinse and repeat. See how much people were in the Avatar cycle. So many generations of very slow cultural and technological progress, probably even regressions. 10,000 years had to happen for the world to finally reach industrial level (well 9,900 years since the Fire Nation in ATLA did it first for warfare). My point is, Vaatu saw this because he's been trapped in the tree of time. Vaatu wants change. Obviously, through an extreme way, he's a force of nature. Of course, he's raw about it. The new Avatars can showcase how true balance is made. Because... could you truly call balance what Raava and Wan did in the past? Basically, sealing and negating the second half of nature's aspects. This is why big changes did start happening once Korra chose to leave the portals open and start to reconnect humans and spirits, which also brought chaos to the world (Zahir, spirit vines, Kuvira). Raava establishes order, Vaatu creates chaos to bring forth change, and Raava establishes new order incorporating the changes made. This is what I think they represent, and I hope the new series follows up with that. One of the twins can be "Dark Avatar" (Vaatu spirit), but not really being evil, just more lenient to bring change, while the other twin would want to establish peace and order. Maybe this is why it is said that they banter and have disputes all the time because one acts like an older sibling, responsible, establishes rules and boundaries, and it's stricter, while the other twin would act more wild, a free spirit, is quick to act to emotion, doesn't tolerate oppression, motivates conflict against perceived control, a rebel. It doesn't have to be just plain "evil."

[@mister_r447]

@@danielmunoz1275 I don't think your explanation of Vaatu's actions really works. I honestly just think they messed up writting him. I still love the concept, the worldbuilding done by Wan's story but, if Raava was written the same way as Vaatu she would have acted way more like an opressive tyrant, emboding the concept of order to it's extreme. But she is much more reasonable. Why does she want to maintain balance rather then have Order reign supreme like how Vaatu wants Chaos to reign supreme? And humans weren't displacing spirits! If anything, spirits displaced humans! They invaded the material world and forced the humans to seek refuge on top of the Lion Turtle's backs! Also, i'd say 10000 years to reach their level of technology is pretty on par with us (civilization started 12000 years ago for us), though i guess we should also take into account the amount of time before Wan lead the humans out of the Lion Turtle's back, which, going through the wiki, would be at most 10000 years before Wan, or 20000 years until modern age, which, yeah it's a long time. 10000 years (assuming they got onto the Lion Turtle's back as soon as Raava's age begun) and they still only had medival level technology. To be fair, humans were isolated to their own Lion Turtle, to the point of forgetting other humans civilizations existed. Without the exchange of knowledge, technological progress is going to be much slower. Inspite of that, Vaatu didn't seem all that interested in helping humanity florish. Actually going through the timeline, it seems like he just hates humans. He is the one that broke the barrier between the spirit and material world, making humans seek refuge with the Lion Turtles and isolating themselves. Personaly, my headcannon is that he sees balance as a form of order so he rebels against it. He doesn't compromise, that's order's domain. He doesn't want to be contained. He doesn't want the consequences of his actions to be mitigated. He's a wild fire that wants to consume the world. Well, that's how he has been characterized so far. If this really is going to be about Raava and Vaatu, maybe he got purified or maybe we'll see him grow and become more reasonable as he experiences the world through the eyes of a little girl, getting that human experience.

[@danielmunoz1275]

@mister_r447 Like I said, that was my interpretation, but you sound right when saying Raava seemed more reasonable and less extremist about exercising order over the world. The thing is that there is even more potential for lore and backstory in that department as well. We see Raava and Vaatu starting their struggle in Wan's era, but according to Raava, she implies they've done this already multiple times. So, who did really win the previous time? One might think it was Raava because the world seemed mystical, not in constant chaos, but, what if it was Vaatu who won? That might explain why Spirits tool over the physical realm displaced humans, forced them to hide in Lion Turtles that acted as their guardians. Humans are extremely scared of spirits, things might've seemed more bright in Wan's era because it was at the end of Vaatu's reign and he was already struggling with Raava. Who knows, I just hope they don't keep or go the route of just plain good and evil. Also I love your idea of Vaatu being purified or learning to be more gray through experiences through his new incarnation as one of the twins.

[@mister_r447]

@@danielmunoz1275 I think what is implied in Wan story is that their struggle has been happening for a long time, that being the reason that the world is thrown into chaos as soon as Vaatu is freed from it. That struggle might very well be what defines the "Era Of Raava", which would mean that Raava and Vaatu had been locked in that struggle for 10000 years before Wan showed up and interupted it. Though they probably did fight and one of them must have won and destroyed the other, because how else would Raava know she would emerge from Vaatu if defeated? The best explanation for me is that Raava lost originally which allowed Vaatu to break the barrier between the material and spiritual world, then, once she reemerged she begun the struggle with Vaatu which they were stuck in for 10k years. Other option is that Raava defeated Vaatu when she reemerged and what we saw in Wan's story was Raava fighting the newly reformed Vaatu, but i find that unlikely.

[@PharaohofAtlantis]

My initial thought on the Twin Avatars is that it's a "Real World" and a "Spirit World" Avatar. So one is the Avatar we know and one is something new, born or even more tied to the Spirits which are leaking into the world.

[@Serocco]

Or what if one twin has two elements and the other twin has the other two, because they were meant to be one soul but it got split in half and became separate people after the apocalypse?

[@PharaohofAtlantis]

@@Serocco That's also possible. If they are identical twins I think that honestly makes the most sense.

[@kiidkif2009]

Oh i love this theory one has earth n air and the other fire n water

[@ektran4205]

@@kiidkif2009 both will have earth since they are from the earth kingdom male twin wont have fire and female twin wont have water

[@rai2423]

That just doesn’t make sense because the avatar is supposed to be the link between the spiritual world and the material world. Why would the spirit world need a separate avatar when the when the whole point of the avatar is to be a bridge.

[@coconutcore]

What I also like about the setting change between Avatar series is that it’s kinda beautiful to see every Avatar having a different experience, living in a different world built on the last. It makes you think, “is that what the real world is like? How different was my grandparents’s experience?” And then you realise that yes, the real world’s like that too. Your ancestors had a WAY different experience, struggling to even prepare you for the experience you’re living now, just like you’ll struggle or are struggling to prepare your children for the wacky AI future they’ll call normal. And somehow that’s…beautiful. Like choruses in a song, or changes in weather and seasons. History is alive, and no one ever lives the same story.

[@ektran4205]

severing ties with the past

[@briantinsley3598]

"History is alive, and no one ever lives the same story." Is that a quote? It feels like it should be a quote. Someone should put that in a book or on a T-shirt if it's not. Thats downright poetic.

[@abigailaceves9230]

Speaking of Avatar, I love the videos you done on the psychology of Azula & Zuko. Any chance you could do one on Korra, given season 4 tackling mental health?

[@HelloFutureMe]

Yes 🥰

[@cybersearcher1041]

OMG HECK YEA MATE

[@lioness3146]

I can’t say I’m a big fan of the idea of a cyberpunk avatar. The issue with these new series is that despite the fact that Brian and Micheal are Avatar’s creators, and definitely it’s beating heart, Aaron Ehasz (the original’s head writer) was its soul. He already doesn’t get enough credit as is, and there is no doubt in my mind that is one of the biggest reasons Korra could never live up to the hype of the original (even considering the production delays). Plus, back to the cyberpunk bit, the biggest weakness of Korra was always when they focused on the technological aspects. Regardless, I’m interested to hear your thoughts Tim. Thanks for updating for us

[@AceHufflepuff]

It would be cool to explore though what the point and purpose of an avatar would be in a modern world. Part of me will always wonder how Avatars like Roku, Yangchen or Aang would do in our world. We all know how Kyoshi would handle people like the 🍊 😅

[@tticusFinch]

Spot on. Aaron Ehasz is underrated and is the reason why people didn't like Korra but did like The Dragon Prince (at least the first few seasons, I admittedly haven't had time to watch beyond that). As much as I love Avatar, my expectations are so low for anything new coming out when Ehasz isn't involved.

[@PhoenixFireZero]

Seeing how awkwardly they addressed social issues in LoK, I'm alright with them not trying to do so further

[@Chadjr2009]

Yea, but making Avatar world a 100% cyberpunk will make it quickly dull and maybe plot-wise makes less sense. Through, I really prefer playing around with idea, by having each location as established in Legend of Korra to have a different punk subgenres. Here my example. Air Nation/Second Air Nomads - Tibetan-inspired Solarpunk society, with slowly emerging threat of racism of what to be a Airbender. Earth Kingdom - Zigzagging with modern interpretations of cyberpunk, as well as Solarpunk and some dated aesthetically Dieselpunk (seen in Zaofu); while retain the old Chinese and Korean feel left in unknown parts of their territory. Fire Nation/Fire Kingdom - Formicapunk or Cassette Futurism-based Cyberpunk society. While resembling the classical interpretation of Cyberpunk society at the same time via Japanese Cyberpunk. United Republic of Nations - Just like with Earth Kingdom, there society play around with aesthetics of either Cyberpunk (urban areas) and Solarpunk (rural areas). Technology-wise, it would be normal progression to a point resembling 1990s or 2000s technology. Water Tribe (or some point officially renamed as Water Confederation) - Aesthetically Native American yet Dieselpunk with couple Atompunk elements in that society, while emerging with Biopunk, because of Bloodbending (has possible benefits) was the catalyst somehow to create this direction.

[@StudioTradimento2]

Seeing how bad The Dragon Prince turned out (a show by Aaron) I’d say maybe that doesn’t apply anymore perhaps.

[@Laroushe935]

Here's my take: I think if they are doing two avatars, they'll justify it by having the cataclysm (which I think will be an advancement of Kuviras spiritual technology) will be akin to a blast which is hundreds of times stronger than the weapon from LoK Book 4 (as technology is consistently advancing). My theory follows that Korra dies whilst trying to prevent this and since it is spiritual energy, it not only decimates her physical body, it also tears Rava apart and from this fractioning of Rava, Vaatu re-emerges from her but in a weakened form, so they are still bonded but he has more autonomy and therefore they are reborn into two separate people, twins in this case.

[@Laroushe935]

Just my opinion think it's how they can justify it 😊

[@lasseehrenreich5502]

the post-apocalyptic world where the spirits and nature have taken over everything leads to the Collapse of society is a super exciting and creative idea Avatar could use for lot of thing twin Avatar not so much

[@b44442]

I didn't care for an avatar series in modern times, so I'm on board with this

[@cynloh2302]

I think it would be cool if the twins are basically a “split” avatar instead of “two” avatars - maybe they can each only master two elements, and can only enter the Avatar state when they are together? Could be an interesting story arc if they got separated as well. And also interesting if they both start out thinking they could master all four elements, realize they can each only master two, and have to work together.

[@joesunday199]

I've had to repeat this many times now so sorry about being blunt but that makes no sense. That isn't how the Avatar works. You also couldn't have them together for the Avatar State and have them go on their own journey to learn the 2 Elements they have. It doesn't work.

[@shui_og]

@@joesunday199 why can't it make sense? it should serve the story. And I think having split avatars could serve the story really well, and it could be justified in universe in many ways. What if that is the risk they have to take that adds tension to the story? Does one sister accompany the other to stick together when it is an element they can't even learn? Do they split up and risk not being able to access the avatar state? Tons of opportunities for interesting story telling with this concept.

[@joesunday199]

@ That's not how the Avatar works. You can't split the Element between them. There is no way for that to happen. There's also no reason for them to only have 2 Elements each. For what purpose would they need to be split? It adds nothing. You go from 1 Full Avatar to 2 Half Avatars. It also harms the Avatar Cycle. Imagine what happens when one of them dies? Let's say 1 Half is Earth and Fire and the other is Air and Water. If the Air and Water Avatar dies they move onto either Air or Water. Not Fire nor Earth. They no longer even have those Elements as apart of their Cycle.

[@isaacgilmour6063]

I very much like the idea of a shared Avatarship between twins. Especially if they kind or retcon the Ravva Vatuu thing. Maybe make it more like a simplified version of Mistborns Preservation and Ruin. And if the journey is about these twins learning to work together and similar things.

[@MortalMercury]

I wish they did something similar to the roles of the kids in the movie Wolf Children, where one of them seem to be destined to be a wolf and the other a human but they end up the opposite.

[@LocalGH16]

I hate that this concept is SO close to being good, but makes me roll my eyes every time the execution of it is brought up. One of my biggest problems is that this is coming RIGHT after Korra. It makes the world feel so much smaller with all these big things happening so close together.

[@LocalGH16]

I actually DO like the concept of a Dark Avatar. One where the spirit inside of them is Vaatu instead of Raava. But the execution of it sounds SO boring. Just making them cocky and arrogant? Why not try making them a more unsympathetic person who helps people because it’s just their job instead for fame or glory, and then as the series goes on, they become more and more ruthless, almost becoming villain or an anti-hero. Only for them to learn that this is caused by Vaatu. And that because of Vaatu’s presence they have a natural tendency towards being destructive or aggressive. Development like that is so interesting to me, because I love to see what a character does after a revelation like that. Do they lean into their natural instincts? Or do they try to resist it? To me, that’s so much more interesting than some Dark Avatar who basically boils down to being a pompous asshole.

[@Dave102693]

That’s how I feel about Boruto

[@ASpaceOstrich]

"Execution of it" it's not out yet. You know literally nothing about the execution of it. The way everyone is just pre-emptively assuming its going to suck is really getting on my nerves. Theres this glee people have at the idea. Massive assumptions being made. "Oh its going to be awful and Korra *caused* it" and it just smacks of the worst kinds of people.

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

Especially because Korra was terrible, too. I mean, in a way I'm all for a meta "this is all Korra's fault" vibe, but still.

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

​@ASpaceOstrich So we're not allowed to point out just how flawed the entire Korra run is, it's that much of a sacred cow to you?

[@BotloB]

My two problems with the twin avatars: 1. How does the concept fits into the lore? 2. If they manage to fit the concept into the lore, why would they be twins, and not just two random people? There are two things I think would be interesting in the franchise: 1. Seeing an adult, fully responsible, independent, sure-footed avatar who takes some kind of an official leadership role for a group, a nation, or even for humankind. 2. A series of small, independent, but somehow interconnected stories about ordinary people whose lifes are affected by the actions of an avatar.

[@johnstajduhar9617]

There was some story behind the fire avatar before Roku being just that competent adult - he joined the bureaucracy and reformed the Fire Nation to alleviate all the structural problems of feudal warfare and politicking, and the terrible fallout that regular people suffered because of it. He stopped chasing symptoms and created a new system to fix that, but later regretted that he neglected the rest of the world (and also helped create the Imperial state that nearly conquered the world).

[@hoohoo431]

I like the idea of all Avatars from now on existing in duality since one of them is a "Dark Avatar". Like twins, lovers, family members, rivals, you name it. I feel like their existences should be intertwined and they have a "frenemies" relationship. The Raava/OG Avatar can be the nag, with the Vaatu one just sort of causing mischief for them, but when things get serious like another Ozai shows up, they team up with zero hesitation

[@hooparainbowbraceypkmonand7862]

Honestly im worried about the world building like korra ruined blood bending (psychic blood bending was the final nail, i haven't even watched the show and all I've heard is that korra kinda just craps on what avatar set up. Which is proven when korra apparently disconnects the links to all previous avatars.) So like...whats next? Also lightning bending kinda lost what made ir special. Its supposed to be this super deadly technique only the most dedicated fire benders coudl learn so to see it be used so ordinarily in korra kinda stings.

[@hadrianhexe9603]

@@hooparainbowbraceypkmonand7862 id suggest actually watching the thing before making an opinion on what others say, especially when alot of people have nostaglia boners

[@Cass0wary_399]

⁠@@hooparainbowbraceypkmonand7862Actually watch the show, don’t just go off of second hand rambling from closed minded people. Psychic blood bending was OP as hell, but spoilers Amon and his Brother both died at the end of the season so it’s gone. Korea didn’t disconnect the past lives on purpose either, it was due to a dues ex machina of the (poorly executed) Dark Avatar suddenly being able to rip the avatar spirit out from absolutely nowhere in the middle of a fight and kill it and the past lives alongside it. Lightning bending becoming common makes sense, Zuko most likely shared the secrets behind it after the war. Do you really want Team Avatar to take Seismic Sense, Metal Bending, and Lightning bending to their graves just to keep them special? These abilities becoming more common is an evolution of the world, and this evolution is what makes the setting of LOK interesting.

[@011marylin]

I wish they'd tell more Avatar stories that are about Avatars further away from Aang's lifetime. I loved that the Kyoshi and Yangchen novels show us a world hundreds of years apart, one that's so different yet we can see how the world eventually developed into the ATLA one. Doing Korra and these new Avatar(s?) in the cycles right after Aang makes the world feel so much smaller--like oh, every Avatar faces a world-ending threat now?? It almost cheapens the impact of the Air Nomads being wiped out--like that was supposed to be such a shocking an unfathomable idea in the ATLA world and now we're just supposed to accept that cataclysmic events are just always going on...

[@Gigawolf1]

Cataclysmic events ARE always happening though, especially during one's lifetime. An Avatar in the real world would be confronting despots, ending wars, evacuating refugees, putting out forest fires, etc. There may be Avatars that live in largely calm periods, but shit happens every year; if they live to be 70, 80, or 90+ then they'll almost certainly be called upon to deal with at least one major event in their lifetime. Plus, a lot of people probably plan to do their nastiest plans in the 16-year gap between the old Avatar's death and the announcement of the next Avatar

[@Cass0wary_399]

@@Gigawolf1about the last paragraph: Amon is definitely one such villain that built up his power in the 17 year gap where there was no Avatar on duty.

[@tristandukes5548]

Im really hoping that if they do the "good and bad Avatar," its not that one is evil, its that one sides with the spirit's and the others with the humans

[@lulujuice1]

Counterpoint to the Light/Dark avatar: What if Nisha is trying to fight the dark impluses (mainly from their predecessor) or just... has a different ideology than their sibling. Same goal of restoring the world and making it balanced, but one's more law-and-ordery and the other is anarchist.

[@sleepdealer10]

I think regardless of whether I love this new series or not, I think it’s good and important that the team behind this franchise keeps trying new things and boldly pushing into new territory. I’m so tired of this media landscape we live in where massive corporations just suck the life out of whatever they can get their hands on.

[@DavidSmith-mt7tb]

Agreed. This is exactly what Star Wars failed to do. They just repackaged the old story in a new story essentially. That's viewed as less risky to some, but really it's better to risk and fail than play it safe and kill the franchise via stagnation, just a little slower. The new era needed to be as different from the original as the prequel was. Or you do something like the old republic for instance. You can still do side stories like Obiwan in an era to milk the franchise while taking it in new directions. Avatar could do similar things and make an adult Aang show if they wanted to or a Kyoshi show or whatever. But if all they ever did was content based around those existing characters, the franchise would stagnate. Every franchise will get played out eventually. The trick is to change it enough to keep it fresh, but not so much you make something entirely different. Some iterations may be more popular than others but at least there's still interest in what comes next and the possibility of replacing old audiences with new ones.

[@ChaddyFantome]

I always said if they ever made a sequel, there would have to be 2 Avatars because of the whole Vatuu thing. Personally I'm on board. Especially if they make The Two avatars play into Jungian and Daiost concepts.

[@Linknla]

Your commentary about rehashing the same story via sequals and prequals and how fearful studios are of telling new stories and moving away from successful franchises ( I swear, if I see another batman movie OMG). Thanks Tim!

[@TreeM1984]

I think the difficulty will be with recapturing the magic of Aang's series, and the emotional maturity of Korra’s arc.

[@PocketKanin]

This. Those are the parts I loved about each series; Aang has hopefulness & willful bliss and Korra has seriousness & deep-seated emotion. I never imagined twin avatars could even be a thing, but if they can tackle mature topics like the yin/yang balance between them with the magic of adventure that’d be cool af

[@Kaltagstar96]

This new Avatar show has some really massive shoes to fill, even more massive than the ones that Korra had to fill going after Aang.

[@Seeyou45]

It will fail... simply put the team who made AtLA great are not there. Even Korra shows a downgrade in writing because the team wasn't all there. Furthermore it probably wouldn't if they all are. It's been 20 years since the series. A lot changed and the people, the incentives, and mindset aren't there. Lightning in a bottle can't be caught twice. At best you get dismissing returns.

[@Problemsolver434]

I personally found the last airbender to be the more emotionally mature of the two

[@cablefeed3738]

There is no maturity in that terrible sequel

[@365popi]

I like the postapocalypse idea where the spirits are the ones who break the balance of the cosmos. Like humans have become pests for them or they simply flee from a corruption in their world. And the avatars are light or dark depending on whose side they are on, spirit or human

[@because7768]

Tim, you have got to watch Scavengers reign if you haven't already Incredible, beautiful, and always has you on edge throughout

[@HelloFutureMe]

Absolutely stunning series. I want to talk about it and am figuring out how! ~ Tim

[@whatever2045]

I would add From the new World to the recommendation list

[@because7768]

​@@HelloFutureMe can't wait to hear you talk about it!

[@inuendo6365]

13:58 selling merch has been normal long before the Streaming Wars. In fact some of the toy selling shows were only given additional seasons based on how well the toys sold, not how well the TV show did.

[@HelloFutureMe]

Very true! Transformers etc. But I do think it is more pronounced now. ~ Tim

[@inuendo6365]

@HelloFutureMe I was thinking more like Pokemon, Barbie, Hello Kitty and even the original Star Wars trilogy where the movies or shows are truly secondary earners. Transformers might have started that way but the toys have been secondary for nearly 2 decades now. George Lucas was very wise to take a huge pay cut from the first movies to maintain all the merchandise rights way back in the day!

[@UnapologeticRed]

17:16 hot take? Wan and Korra were the "antihero" avatars, their personalities are adventurer or warrior more than monk/spiritual leader. Arrogance was almost a cardinal trait (Aang showed these traits plenty, but he was 10)

[@Gigawolf1]

Korra was only stuck in Republic City in the first season. Literally every other season has her travelling. If they do go with twins, I'd hope that Vaatu & Raava are present in both of them rather than being split between them. I'd want the Avatar to deal with having both spirits in them (with Vaatu regrowing faster than expected due to riding along with a reincarnation) - to deal with balance and strife swaying their opinions. If the two shift their balance - twin A starts at 60% Raava until they get pissed, at which point they become 80% Vaatu, with twin B having the inverse, and the shift being decided by whoever's more distraught at any given time - then I might be interested in it

[@joesunday199]

You can't have both Spirits in both characters. That isn't possible.

[@bigreaderpike]

What's the problem for future avatars is this, they don't have access to thousands of years of previous avatars.Just Korra e, she's their only source of wisdom.The future avatars are in trouble.

[@sammonesilver]

The avatars were never an infallible/all-knowing source of wisdom though, the show made it clear that they each had their struggles and flaws, they differed widely from eachother etc. And the world has books and people that can continue to tell their history, it doesnt all have to come from within. And if the world truly goes this far post-apocalyptic and spirirt-y, then the knowledge of the old avatars and their nation-views is now becoming rapidly redundant.

[@Rock-Child]

They cooked if they have a girl who couldn’t even defeat one earthbender as a guide

[@ShannonLynn21]

Korra could have lived to advanced age. Meaning she'd have plenty of wisdom to share. Why you basing her wisdom off her teen and early 20s? Edit: Y'all all clearly just want to hate ofln korra lol

[@Rock-Child]

@ Yeah not if she DIED via apocalypse or CAUSED it. Imagine your guide literally causing the RAPTURE

[@ShannonLynn21]

@Rock-Child we don't know if she did though?

[@lavendermenace8078]

14:24 in the behind lightyear documentary dinsey put out, they said this in a way I don't think was intended. They showed the animators making models of stuff for the film and how it had to be constantly in consultation with whether they could easily sell merch and begin production on that merch significantly before even the entire movie was conceptualized

[@ScadrianGhostblood]

I'm willing to give it a chance. I think the main reason why they apparently set the technological progress backwards, was to appeal to the fans that didn't like technology in Korra. I personally would have preferred if they sticked with progressing, because we could have gotten fire avatar series being a space opera, but I'm interested in seeing how they handle this new setting.

[@EloyGray]

Avatar as a space opera sounds rad as fuck actually, I’m sad we aren’t getting that

[@ScadrianGhostblood]

@EloyGray yeah, Imagine the different ways bending could be used in space! Earth bending could help with asteroid mining, fire as a spaceship fuel and air and water bending could be interesting to use in zero gravity.

[@frostreaper1607]

Ah thats a bummer, I very much like seeing actual progression its something you don't see much in a fantasy setting. Avatar Space Opera would have been a fascinating concept.

[@ScadrianGhostblood]

@frostreaper1607 yeah, at least there's cosmere becoming sci fi fantasy over multiple books

[@Gigawolf1]

It'd be crazy to see how they tackle celestial bodies, considering the moon vanished when its spirit was killed. Would it be realistic space, or would it be a heavily spiritual cosmos?

[@taiga738]

Space with magic is a space opera, not sci-fi. Star Wars is a space opera and an Avatar series in space would be one too. As soon as I heard the bit about Korra dying trying and failing to stop a calamity I just thought "let Korra rest!" Even the next series can't help but have her die failing to stop a disaster instead of just letting her enjoy her life and get some peace after all the BS she was put through. I'm wary of the franchisification of Avatar. Yeah, we're getting more of a world belonging to a beloved series but is it worth it? Can we really get what we had with ATLA again with all the issues around how shows get made these days?

[@ASpaceOstrich]

You're thinking of science fantasy or space fantasy. Space Opera is literally just epic scale sci-fi. A lot of hard sci fi is Space Opera.

[@ElTwOJaY]

I feel like the series was going to where the Avatar role was becoming more and more ceremonial. If they want some intrigue give us a “villainous” avatar

[@soultrax101]

I find it funny that we have 10,000 years of unexplored lore in this world, and have only seen 7 Avatars in the shows, but instead of tapping into any of that, they decide to essentially destroy the world post-Korra in order to get around the fact that they would have to explain bending in a more modern setting. Just go back 5000 years and create a new story. Avatar is one of those stories where a writer has the ability to explore past eras without having to tie it back in to earlier stories. Every Avatar dies at some point, and they all have some type of story that could be told. Imagine an Avatar anthology series! Its free real estate!

[@CombativeRoboGuy]

“Bing!” Is this a type of writer evolution? He’s becoming Brandon Sanderson.

[@HelloFutureMe]

I didn't realise but yes 😅 ~ Tim

[@XanderMander006]

I really enjoy the thunderstorm title-card at the end of your videos. A thunderstorm is one of my favorite sounds. So soothing yet stimulating.

[@kaikalter]

Does this mean we get more Hello Future Me Avatar video's?

[@Damian_Bullet]

Everything that has come out about this new series sounds likt the writers literally looked at all the fanfic in the community and said : yeah, lets just do that.

[@rai2423]

Right! It’s getting more and more ridiculous 😂

[@DigiMyst]

I think that's where you and I differ. I'm of the belief that the OG's success can't be replicated because it was lightning-in-a-bottle. The combination of world building, ancient setting, mysticism, and compelling characters made that world feel thriving and unique. Most people were willing to tolerate Korra because it seemed, at first, to be a natural continuation of the OG, without making things too radically different. But by the end of S4, we had flying mechs and Megazords that shot laser beams. I firmly believe Avatar shouldn't go sci-fi because it steers too far away from Avatar's core intrigue. The zepplins in ATLA were useful for Ozai's plans, but the _comet_ was Ozai's means of taking over the world. The day we see an Avatar stopping an intergalactic space war with death lasers and rocket ships is the day Avatar truly jumped the shark (although Korra did that anyway).

[@raphaelzakhm7310]

Although I agree that the OG was lightning in a bottle (in many aspects, not just story-wise) I don't think a sci fi setting would be necessarily bad; the most important part of any idea is execution. Besides, wasn't the original avatar supposed to be a sci fi setting before they changed their minds in production?

[@raphaelzakhm7310]

One example of the time period that it's not easily repicable today: I think TV production nowadays is very chaotic, with many shows not being able to continue past one season. Avatar is the kind of show that you NEED more episodes to tell the story... And Korra, for example, had the problem of always being on the verge of cancellation but always getting one more season; this disrupts build ups between seasons and made each one of them more of a stand-alones

[@DigiMyst]

@@raphaelzakhm7310 I remember seeing early concept art that played with the idea of using sci-fi elements, but ultimately they decided on fantasy because it better communicated their ideas for the story. Normally I'd agree with you that execution is what's important, but after Korra S4, I really don't like the direction they're taking the series, and the sci-fi plays a big part in it. I'm hoping for the best though, because the writers work best when Nickelodeon doesn't interfere like last time

[@MagillanicaLouM]

I agree. Would rather they just make a new IP at that point.

[@pretends2know]

5:43 I never forgot Naga, and you better not either.

[@neferiusnexus]

Last time i was this early, the internet was still alive and the first series was airing on TV

[@g2poodlehead]

I think this cataclysm is a convenient way to avoid fast-tracking to modern times. With the tech jump from ATLA to Korra (which I didn't dislike, for the record), this series would likely see nearly modern-day technology.

[@Mr_Mimestamp]

Avatar in a Nausicaa-style world sounds really cool!

[@charliemaddox35]

As soon as I found out about who Pavi and Nisha were as characters, and that they would be twin Avatars, I immediately thought of how they might be doing a narrative about “Aang v.s. Korra” Not in a “who is more powerful?” sense, but maybe a commentary on how divided the fandom has been over the years. The twins coming to represent yin/yang light/dark and working together in the end might serve to fix some of the major critiques people had of Raava/Vaatu and what they represent. Also, I see a lot of people saying they could restore the past lives, but I honestly think the exact opposite. We have a recurring theme of Karmic cycles, no matter what one Avatar does the next Avatar has to pick up the unintended consequences. Maybe Pavi recognizes this cycle of Samsara (rebirth and suffering) and chooses to end it. Plus, if the cycle ends on earth, it will have come full circle since Wan.

[@darnchacha1632]

Assuming it's true, I do appreciate them going down the logical path the series appeared to set with the spirit world merging with the normal world that it would be a chaotic mess that's actually pretty bad for human life, that's what it was like for the first avatar. I always thought it was really short-sighted for Korra to change that.

[@FitzTomBlaireau]

Plot-wise, unfortunately we had the leaks about the tasteless bits of the Kyoshi novel before it was published and they were mostly right, so there's little hope it'll turn great there. But overall I wish for the team creating it to actually have the means to their ambitions, whichever they are, and not be gutted halfway trough while burning out creators.

[@PocketKanin]

12:20 My bf, me, and all my friends who watched that show were so distraught when season 2 was cancelled 😞 It was a show that needed a couple episodes to get you but omfg it got so interesting and seeing the characters’ dynamics and actions! 👌

[@ZeMalta]

The apocalyptic setting full of spirits seems like... the world that Wan knew. Where humanity is hidden in cities, while the wilds surround them with spirits. And that can be very cool.

[@gabrielkrows488]

I wish I could say I was 100% confident in the creators to deliver. However, after some of their decisions in LOK (particularly but not exclusively in season 2) I know that they’re not infallible. And I’m not a korra hater. I hope that they manage to deliver. Also, one thing I’d disagree with is the reluctance to explore past avatars. I would love to see an animated show about avatar Kursk for example. To keep it fresh, make the show take on a significantly darker tone which shouldn’t be too difficult given how his story goes.

[@oogiegoogie2826]

I’ve been saying they should do post-apocalyptic Avatar for years. I love that idea.

[@FrostbiteKelvin]

What a shame didn't went the Futuristic Kamigawa way... Could have been really cool showing the problem of keep the spirituality when the technology advances.

[@devourlordasmodeus]

18:25 I have a young son so, I would welcome a story more for him if that is the direction it goes

[@SP-ie6nq]

So long as they get an impactful story as we did when we were younger, hell yeah

[@mzywiol]

I like your take on the rumours about the new Avatar! I agree with you: one of the things I always loved with the Avatar franchise is the boldness of choices for new directions, starting with the time and technology jump between ATLA and LOK, through how maturely were Yangchen and Kyoshi portrayed in their novels, up to the post-apocalyptic idea for the new series. As one of the die-hard defenders of The Last Jedi I really can't wait for what the series will bring. That said, I'll try to steer away from any more rumours or leaks and just wait for the finished work to arrive. Let's be honest: no piece of information would keep me away from watching it :D

[@procrastinator547]

lol and any opinion you had is irrelevant now. New Star Wars is the worst written trash in media

[@GoldenSunAlex]

@@procrastinator547 Agreed.

[@joesunday199]

@@procrastinator547 I guess you didn't see The Mandalorian.

[@procrastinator547]

@@joesunday199 I did. It’s not good. It’s the least terrible but it’s not good.

[@joesunday199]

@ It's very good and one of the most popular shows when it was Airing.

[@shadowofchaos7675]

Some things sound interesting, my biggest issue is more that they destroy the world aang and korra, the two previous Generations, build. It already bothered me that they cut korras Connection to the previous avatars. If the sequel disrupts something in the world or worldbuilding, can it at least be a few generations between for example korra and the next one?

[@anibarukyouran1145]

"I don't wanna avatar twins that's dumb" "I want avatar in space" dude wtf?🤣

[@HelloFutureMe]

You're just afraid of how right I am ❤ ~ Tim

[@captainslender12]

think about all the crazy stuff benders could do in space though. Metal bender space pirates ripping apart your hull, fire benders burning out all of a space station's oxygen, etc etc.

[@joesunday199]

@@HelloFutureMe Gotta disagree there. Avatar Legends in Space is a pretty bad idea.

[@mollymarjorie9495]

I'll admit that after Korra, I was hoping for a modern-day setting with cell phones and computers but also spirits running around everywhere. Or maybe something cyberpunk, which was a suspicion that flew around at some point. Basically, I was looking for a jump forward in technology, and I feel like post-apocalyptic is a jump back. On the other hand, re-watching how the world changed under Avatar Wan gives so many implications about how much the world could change again. As for them being nine, I didn't come into the series in the first place until I was an adult, so I don't think target age is that big a deal, as long as the storytelling is strong.

[@lexicon1742]

Imagine if the leaks were just to test the waters of fan opinion, like when the first Sonic trailer dropped.

[@rai2423]

That is exactly what it is. Studios have been doing this since forever. They test the waters to see how the audience reacts to it. They usually also add a couple of untruths to the story. Something tells me the whole seven havens thing isn’t real. It’s sound too silly to be true.

[@patrickb125]

I definitely agree with you that the post-apocalypse suggestion seems interesting. I've heard some people say "Oh, all what Aang fought for is gone!" BUT it is much better than doing the same thing again. It's something new.

[@theanansi4270]

I really wished that new avatar / avatars would be older

[@sammonesilver]

I think when the world/setting makes such drastic changes, it makes more sense that we follow a young avatar, as the responsibility comes sooner due to all the turmoil. Just like Aang having to take on the role while he was only 12 instead of the usual 16 ish. A bold solution could also be a few years of time jump between major events/seasons, that way we get both the 12 yr vibe and how it affects them as a teen or even young adult. We dont necesarily need to see their every move, we can get flashbacks or 'tell, dont show' for inbetween years. Though the very personal approach of conflict is a core strength of Avatar, I think

[@theanansi4270]

@sammonesilver I actually love a few years of a time jump in a series stories (not just the prologue time jump as usual) . Especially, when we can have a look at what must happen in the past for the current situation in the plot or character arc. I'm way more invested in the possible future backstories then.

[@mikat8062]

I might be a little late joining in the conversation, but I like the twin aspect. It would be really cool to see how kora conveys her messages to each of them and how they may argue on their interpretations of kora‘s wisdom as she speaks through their spirits. And even if she has no way to convey the message, it would be extremely cool to see that she left behind maybe some kind of video to address her experiences or past.

[@StarshipRider]

Here's an idea...adapt the Kyoshi novels instead. Better story arc!

[@07Flash11MRC]

Wasn't there supposed to be a movie about those?

[@Amonimus]

Better than...?

[@xaviercopeland2789]

How do you know it’s better?

[@sosukestudios8929]

The Idea that we have a Raava and Vaatu Avatar actually souns badass to me and fits so much with the idea that the spirit and physical world started seperating when raava and vaatu were seperated... It took a 2:1 ratio of Wan + Ravaa = Vaatu to reset the balance... Now the balance is off again and the Spirit world is trying to merge back into the physical world, so it only make sense that a Vaatu Vs Raava fight would culminate and that even Vaatu could have bonded to a human jss like Raava and that would offset the balance like how it is currently offset and post apocalyptic... For example if you need 2:1 to make it balanced when Raava and Vaata seperate but now there is a 2:2 it will he jss like before Wan fused with Raava where Vaatu got bigger and stronger because when seperated 1:1 or 2:2 doesnt create balance 2:1 does. So it would explain the new imbalance in the world in a way that wouldnt necessarily have even involved Korra

[@WizardToby]

The Dark Avatar bit actually makes sense. Here's why: During Avatar Wan's story, Raava explains that she and Vaatu cannot kill each other. If Vaatu is destroyed, he will reform inside Raava and vice-versa if Raava is destroyed by Vaatu. Wan didn't have this issue, when he defeated Vaatu he locked the chaos kite spirit in the tree. Korra destroyed Unalaq with Vaatu fused inside him. Korra has had Raava inside her, being the Avatar. This means that Vaatu had been reforming inside her. When Korra dies, and reincarnates into the next avatar(s), both Raava and Vaatu are in there. Korra's reincarnation is twins, a vessel for Raava and a vessel for Vaatu.

[@joesunday199]

That still doesn't make sense. Vaatu can't just leave Raava. Twins would exist before Raava would fuse with one of them. There isn't a way for Vaatu to enter the other Twin. Vaatu won't reform for another 10K years.

[@WizardToby]

​@@joesunday199 I guess the "Beginnings" episode never gave a time frame for the defeated spirit reforming. Maybe it is 10K years or maybe it's much less.

[@joesunday199]

@@WizardToby Yes, it did. 10K years until the next Harmonic Convergence.

[@jarcake6581]

A lifetime reincarnating into two lifetimes is a pull. A big pull. And something I'll call a bunch of hooey on.

[@WizardToby]

@ Where did Vaatu go then? Raava specifically said he reforms from within Raava, and Raava cannot exist without Vaatu so he wasn't erased from existence.

[@Saimeren]

Your patreon/credits asmr is amazing!

[@NatWarrior1]

7:33 i think and honestly hope that they find a way to make the two be equally important as one another and have them find a balance in the same way that yin and yang work. I think it could be really cool if it turns out that both are able to work in harmony by the end of the series.

[@aegeanviper73]

My thing with the prospect of a "split avatar" is that they could have a sibling dual bending dynamic like bolin and mako. Each of them only gets to bend 2 elements and its tied exact opposite of the element the already bend. Air and earth for one, water and fire for the other. I think it would make for an interesting setup within the plot over finding strengths within each other as they cant bend either of the 2 elements the other can.

[@Light-11]

On the point of the Light avatar/dark avatar thing, what if introducing this will be a way... Try and fix the issues of Raava and Vaatu being too close to good and evil? If the twins are foils for one another could end up being that for them to truly be the avatar they need to be, they have balance each other out, Pavi's level headed, reserved and creative nature balancing out Nisha's impulsiveness and bravado and vice verse. It would probably require a bit of retconning to make Vaatu not straight up evil but they couldeither go the route of Vaatu back then was embracing chaos too much or and what I think could be the better way to do it, Vaatu develops. We see in beginnings Raava herself changes from being with Wan, she becomes less arrogent, more understanding. So maybe since Vaatu has only just reformed he doesn't have the power to take control of Nisha and instead directs her (leading to her more boastful nature) but as the journey goes on and not only does he interact with Nisha but also Pavi/Raava and all the development between them, Vaatu goes from pure evil chaos into a force of change, being more willing to force an issue instead of taking it slow and harmonious like Raava. This is just an off the top of my head idea since this is the first I'm even hearing about these leaks but I don't think having a light and dark avatar is nessesarily a bad thing if anything I think if done well it could redeem/improve on the concept introduced in Korra. Since at the end of the day, Raava and Vaatu are part of the story, they can't really just ignore that and if they can do something with the idea that they couldn't do other wise that also improves on the concept of Raava and Vaatu, I think that's good thing. I'd rather they take this controversial bit of the story/lore and try to improve it then just wipe their hands of it because it didn't work initially.

[@ASpaceOstrich]

I'll have to rewatch Season 2 some time but is that not literally what the point was? Like, the yin/yang imagery was pretty on the nose.

[@Light-11]

@ASpaceOstrich it was but as mentioned in this video and in general, a lot of people feel raava and vaatu are too much pure good and pure evil. So if they bring vaatu/the dark avatar back they can use it as a chance to bring it more in line with the original intent. If that makes sense

[@ThePCguy17]

I can see a lot of interesting things potentially happening if the twin avatars really are a Raava/Vaatu situation...so long as they do a soft retcon of their lore or otherwise find a way to make Vaatu something other than pure, uncomplicated evil. There's a lot of interesting space in the dichotomy between light and dark, yin and yang, how an icon of each would interact with the world...but it has to be _complex,_ otherwise it just doesn't work.

[@ryanwaits6733]

Can't wait for the Acolyte comparisons with the twins......

[@joesunday199]

There are already many.

[@innocentBystander19]

Do we live in a world where we can’t just have something good and pure and let it be pristine? We gotta keep going? You either die an original series, or you live long enough to see yourself become a dead, beaten horse.

[@ericdewell1905]

Cyberpunk Avatar has been knocking around in my head since 2020.

[@evanm.7945]

I think there is a really interesting synthesis point between Raava/Vaatu - yin yang balance, an avatar that serves the spirit world and an avatar that serves the physical world, and the focus of earth bending and neutral Jin. Bumi and Aang talks about passive and active Jin, so if Pavi and Nisha are initially too much of those Jin and as such are more Vaatu or Raava, then as they grow they embrace neutral Jin and deepen their earth bending connection, and the blend of Vaatu and Raava that resides within them becomes more balanced, I think this also comes in as a recovery of Raava and Vaatu’s original state, where they were bonded and intertwined at their tails, connecting Nisha and Pavi

[@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus]

The idea sounds cool, I hope there will a mix of fantasy and modern-ish technology like in The Legend of Korra.

[@Lebgefaehrlich]

The Twins give me so much Acolyte vibes. I was hoping for some kind of Cyberpunk Future, but maybe i just use that for my Fanfiction Tabeltop RPG :D

[@Arcahnslight]

The Acolyte was hot garbage

[@Lebgefaehrlich]

@Arcahnslight the villan and the fightscenes were great. But yes alot of it was really bad, and the twins didn't work for me

[@AlexanderJWF]

My guess is that Korra ended up going mad after Vatu reformed within Rava (who is within Korra) and their warring causes her to either destroy the world out of rage or distress. OR, she did so while either trying to find something/someone or trying to prevent something from happening in the next cycle? And the twins are the new embodiments of Vatu & Rava ... but I'm gonna guess it's not the one you think. 😊 But my main hope/theory is that the avatar cycle is now split in (at least) two, meaning that duel avatars will continue - but what would be awesome is if the cycles were reversed: One follows the pattern of Earth (after Korra) then Fire, Air, Water ... While the other goes in reverse, so after Korra, it's Air, Water, Earth, Fire ... to reflect their counterpart. [Again, just a theory, I have no evidence, but I think it'd be awesome!]

[@MrInternetMan]

I think they really have to do this cataclysm thing because if they kept pace with the time after Korra, we'd end up in like... 1990.

[@slaybutton1692]

Probably wont happen, but it would be an awesome twist if the 'Evil' avatar had Raava. Proving it is a true Yin Yang, and Vatuu can represent freedom of expression.

[@curtisdecker4813]

Thank you for continuing to create. It is always eye opening and thought provoking to watch your videos. You do not only bring new stories and content, but you also help create a space to think of new ideas and question the reality we are presented with. Keep on rocking on!

[@tael3081]

To try new things and pursue a new audience is a good thing. To try new things and pursue a new audience in a way that excessively irritates the old audience by mocking, insulting, and destroying the good parts of what they had is how you get the old audience to abandon you and direct their kids (the new audience you should have been after) to other properties (a bad thing). Change is inevitable in entertainment, things that don't change become boring, and then they die. That said, change for its own sake isn't improvement, and if you change something too much without improvement then you'll kill it just as sure as if you hadn't changed it at all. Of course something can only improve so much, and after that you have only two options. You can either bow out gracefully, with the work remembered for its best while its creators start something new, or keep changing it to milk the hype and nostalgia, eventually mutating it in to something far inferior, the memory of which evokes only apathy and contempt for its fall.

[@RayOfTruth]

"Let the past die" is said by Kylo Ren, the villain, who's proven wrong and ends up being miserable and alone at the end of The Last Jedi. Yoda saying "The greatest teacher is, failure is," and "We are what they grow beyond," is much closer the movie's core themes than anything Kylo Ren says.

[@EnigmaticGentleman]

These are the most "This will either be completely terrible or absolutely amazing" type leaks I have ever seen. Also I doubt they'll stay 9 for the whole series, heck I think there's a good chance they won't even stay 9 for a full season.