Why I Mix Into A Limiter

[@fmajor_music]

No wonder I always have to go back and forth with my mix almost every time. This is gold, thanks!

[@chuckanschutz5406]

Great lesson and insight, Devvon. Loudness, compression, limiting, clipping, and manipulating that dynamic range is something I've been trying to get my head around for years. You're clarity helps.

[@phadrus]

Good quality video. A lot of people have a limiter on their 2 bus and then turn it on from time to time to see what effect it has on the whole mix. I think it’s a good idea. It seems less common for engineers to leave the limiter on the whole time while mixing, but some do.

[@DevvonTerrell]

Word!!

[@charlescharamba3016]

Priceless sir, immensely helpful. Quite often we have back and forth references to our mixes at the mastering stage.

[@JayAugustOfficial]

Literally went into a project I'm working on and did this...and I'm happy with the end result. Thanks man🙏

[@JSchellergJ]

You're a true finding Devvon. Although the genre you produce and mix is not my cup of tea, your teachings help me a lot with rock, heavy music. Keep the good job!

[@umanoid1523]

I Mix with a mastering chain and limiter. I like hearing how it sounds close to final. I always do rough mixes/ masters and then stay away for weeks to months before i do a final mix /master. getting distance from my tracks to be able to make better judgement calls i realized several years ago helps a lot. I also have stock DAW limiters on most of my tracks as a just in case for peaks and transients. They don’t do much of anything besides preventing transients popping through without having to over compress (if im using compression on that particular track). Great explanation as to why to do this.

[@levondarratt787]

Leave mixing and mastering to actual mastering engineers. You're stealing money from them and make their work harder. Stick to producing.

[@umanoid1523]

@@levondarratt787 If I had the money to do that I would. I don't So I've been doing it myself like MOST bedroom producers. My music is for me so it wouldn't really be worth spending the money if I had it to just have tracks live on a hard drive. :)

[@franmaga28]

@@levondarratt787 Lol that was the dumbest response ive read thats narrow af

[@essayprometheus]

@@franmaga28 fr why so mad

[@franmaga28]

@@essayprometheus idk lol this clearly first world spoiled grown ahh kids think they slick with these bs responses. Imagine you cant nearly afford to pay an actual mastering engineer like most of the world that exists outside ya bubble cant do, guess his advice would be to quit making music. Go take a nap boy

[@Ayedeezzy]

This is a fact. I am dealing with this right now and I tend to go back to my mix and making tweaks. Thanks sir for the knowledge on this

[@NOLUV]

the song has such a good chorus Devvon, well done

[@EARTHG3]

Very dope D . Thanks gangsta 🤙🏾🧿🔥🔥🔥🔥💯

[@youngtybeats9804]

Always giving value to us, Ur heart is at the right place Devvon. Been waiting for this one, great mixing tips bro!

[@alexgamusic]

Wow! I've been doing that intuitively from the very start of my career and thought I'm doing it all wrong) Thank you man - it feels so good to not be alone out there)

[@2OfficialFON]

I started doing this awhile back. Seeing that you do it and Hearing you break it down makes all the sense.

[@NVRLOSTT]

Do you add it on the master before you start to mix?

[@hillsnectar4927]

Another great eye opener. Much love from Nigeria❤

[@truthhurts3479]

Dude not only are you talented as a songwriter . You are a universal teacher

[@mehmetabdullah250]

That song is fire man, thanks for the information also.

[@TechnicalMuzic]

Bro an amazing mixer. I been following you for. While but chest find commenting. Thanks for all you do for us.

[@rowdy5668]

bro ive been searching like a crazy mawfakker for knowledge on vocal mixxing for 2-3 weeks now and from alll few thousand videos ive seen you give me focking insight

[@d.m.legend7440]

That's dope the way of thinking is dope

[@mizu_mix]

Thank You Devvon ! it's my actual struggle and you fix it 🤟

[@ei8ghtmultimedia848]

AMAZING VIDEO which just cleared a lot of my issues while setting levels, and now understanding the effect of the limiter the way you set it up. Thanks a Million.

[@franmaga28]

Bro f em rules lol that was smart af, and your pre-limiter mix is already perfect btw great job man!

[@DJTWISTA8BLACK]

Of the top my friend. By the way is this one of top 10 trick in this channel 🤔. Devvon you killing it once again of the top really helps me a lot. Merci beaucoup from Switzerland 🇨🇭

[@robertwhite6]

Videos be coming at the right time

[@KhemBoBeatZ]

Bro you should do mixing a song from scratch and start to finish. Good shit like always

[@jarrodmusicofficial]

Another incredibly dope tutorial bro 👏🏽🔥 your videos have changed my whole music life! I need one on how you process your adlibs here!

[@Eyuelin]

U just gave me more confidence about this I thought I was wierd for doing this

[@HabaeksMusic]

All of ur tutorial really help me grow, thx dude for sharing all of this germ👌🏻

[@nathanyang1218]

This is the big secret that a lot of beginner engineers fail to take advantage of...there's a lot of bs tips out there that talk about how you shouldn't have anything on your master when you mix...but there's no way of being able to gage how your kick sounds when it's soft-clipped / pushed while mixing unless u have your limiter on.

[@FC-xc3zy]

Brilliant!!! Thumbs up...

[@SheWillForWill]

Nothin to do with this vid but congrats on the album release! Saw it on the Apple Music R&B page this morning

[@whome806]

Again another game changing lesson

[@JYUkulele]

BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBERRR 🐐

[@soulinspiration1]

The popular philosophy taught everywhere is to don't use a limiter doing the mixing, save the limiter for the mastering. I've learned the hard way that sticking to the norm only produces norm results! Screw what the so-called pros say: use a limiter during mixing. I think the results can often be much better.

[@threezysworld8089]

One thing I know, at least regarding FL is that it's actually OK for the main bus to clip a little. That is another way to squeeze a little more volume out of your mix. Never heard any real hard rules regarding when and where to use a compressor/limiter. I would think the reason they say to leave out the limiting is because the person mastering is supposed to do that. They're also supposed to have lots of high priced equipment to squeeze out those last little bits of quality (realistically the most important part because it's what will put you over the rest). In other words mastering is SUPPOSED to be them doing things that you can't (by virtue of being cost prohibitive) because you'd never be able to without the right equipment, no matter how bad you wanted to. It's basically like garnishing a meal. That meal technically isn't 100% finished until it's made to look it's best on a plate, even though the vast majority of people would eat it regardless. You're doing it to make sure that even the pickiest of the pickiest eaters will be satisfied as well. Those "picky eaters" are your artists, producers etc. your customers, in a very competitive marketplace. Because I can show a 5/10 beat to someone who knows jack about making beats and they'll think it's the greatest thing they've ever heard. Show that same beat to someone who knows what they're doing though and it's like "well you have distortion here, it's clipping there, getting muddy here, your structure is too amateurish, etc". And at the end of the day, most of those "picky eaters" are your customers. Anyone can tell you that your beat is the greatest they ever heard, especially if they're not the ones forking over the money for it.

[@jonathonrobbins6724]

He's just using it to check the mix, he's not keeping the limiter on always and I'm sure he's not sending it to master with the limiter on.

[@nofood1]

100%

[@oliversolsticebarrow]

Super sick one! I appreciate you brotha!

[@eruvasquezII]

Do you have a video showing that vocal chain?

[@YoungSunnyBeats]

Ctrl S Save Lives for sure!

[@Imole_music]

Alright that was interesting and a good knowledge to add to my mixing arsenal

[@Punk_Mayhem]

this guy is one of the purest untainted beautiful souls in this earth! even though we are from different musical houses, id like to convey my utmost respect and admiration! love and hugs ❤

[@MrBikboi]

Please cease to type like this ever again.

[@maxwellleonardtv247]

This tip is priceless

[@gcodebeatstv]

The is really helpful because I do this to listen what is going to be too loud after mixing 🤞🏽💯

[@Darksagan]

Ive been doing the same for a while now. Track sounds nice.

[@aydee4705]

Please make a video on mastering with full details

[@Planettt9]

That’s very helpful! Thank you devvon

[@kwallinibour1392]

this was fireee devvon i just opend my daw been struggeling along time with this

[@Epp638]

i'm working with ableton and besides that i religiosly use strg+s for quicksaving, the daw did NEVER lose one single project when it crashed. unfortunately it does crash very often lately 😅 thank you for your vids and much love your rosetta eq!

[@LEGACIEMUSIC]

I'm onto 10+ peers And I learnt 30percent of mixing BCz of you Thanks man

[@Iamdanybazz]

Please make a tutorial on mixing modern vocals recorded with a dynamic mic like the SM57 or 7b

[@threezysworld8089]

My question is where does that limiter go onto the bus for you. For instance I have kick sidechaining into bass, then I still need to compress bass and kicks with rest of drums, then sidechain that into the beat? The reason that I ask is because if you don't have a solid process you're gonna be doing a lot of back and forth. Like say I sidechain kick into bass, then I realize I need to lower kicks, now I have to change the settings on the compressor as well. So just off that it would make sense that compression is one of the very last things you do after EQ and what not are all dialed in.

[@le.jeune.alwalid]

But when you export your final mix for mastering, do you keep the limiter on ?

[@jonathonrobbins6724]

This is the real question. I would say no.

[@gordito1723]

Great tip and even better explanation thanks

[@ucheiam]

This is the exact video I needed! Thank you once again Devonn

[@Firetracks]

Nailed it 🔨 💯💪🏾🤟🏾

[@yxngvicxy9915]

So you basically just turn up the gain on the master? Or is it different when using a limiter without peak reduction?

[@96kasperr]

Exactly what im dealing with rn, way too harsh on the snare & even my lead vocal after starting my master, thanks boss 🤝

[@ZaiXPMusic]

This is awesome! Its cool to see that I am not the only one that does this...lol I blame my first DAW fl studio automatically adding a limiter in every session so I got used to it.lmao

[@lilkillBeats]

this was very Helpful Learned Alot......

[@dura3775]

This mans videos🔥🔥🅿️. I use fab pro l2 and l2 from waves in the mastering stage for loudness, along with master desk. Is that enough to get the track loud?

[@sampoetry]

Great video bro. Thanks for sharing.

[@zybe4541]

really helpfull davvon :D

[@prod.requena]

That's a really good trick

[@Mista808]

When you say "mix into a limiter" do you just mean throwing a limiter on the Master channel when the instrumental is finished? And if so, are you saying to mix the instrumental completely before THEN adding a limiter to the Master channel? Or are you saying to throw a limiter on your master before you even start the mix down process? I don't care who replies to this but please help me understand!

[@martinoplaya7805]

Great stuff! I actually do the same with maximiser for exactly same reason. But how is maximizer different from limiter?

[@giulioboobzilla]

Both not recommended on da master bus

[@deanthonybyrd6000]

@@giulioboobzilla that’s why you should route all through aux.

[@giulioboobzilla]

@@deanthonybyrd6000 what aux do U mean?

[@charlesgodsreal6293]

After I'm done mixing through the limiter... Should I take the limiter off the Master bus before exporting the mixdown for the final stage (mastering)

[@itsriddla]

this video is gold.

[@mikegmusic]

You a straight legend, one day we making a hit bro 🔥 🙌

[@MarF-DD]

i like that Idea a lot, will definitely try it. Is there a better / another way to make a track louder besides using a Limiter?

[@tiisetsokgomojoo5278]

Genius!!!

[@affluencen8591]

You're helping big

[@thee.rofficial6937]

so do you remove that Stereomaster send once you get to the mastering process?

[@JOZBITsBEATs77]

Would you use the limiter when u are starting out to make the beat as well

[@JTEOOFFICIAL]

You're the best

[@elikamin5678]

Master of the master🥇🥇🥇🥇♥️

[@contraspower6302]

Very helpful 🙏🔥

[@kevinbriones3086]

Great tip.

[@brandonwolf6702]

🔥🔥 as always

[@Wealthblocks]

What’s Good Bo, I’ve been watching your channel for A minute and I purchased a few of your presets and templates too. One of them is the 2 track mixing template, when you mix your 2 tracks do you play it through a limiter to?

[@altonwilson5724]

yea so you can make sure the snares kicks and etc. is on point.

[@whnever7723]

does it work if im not going to use the fabfilter limiter but another mastering vst like the fl stock one? or should i use the fl stock one in my master buzz ?

[@MANDM1224]

Love you dog, thank GOD you dropped “the LiVinG WeiRdO” 😂

[@ProducerRyan]

Super helpful!

[@JKINGBEAT]

Can we do that in fl studio too

[@johnjhonny646]

ARC has a pretty slow release, so this gives a subtle compression effect, even without gain reduction. That's right, this is what mastering engineers refer to as the color of the limiter.

[@jzilla_grudgegang]

Fab filter limiter is very transparent as well. I mix into the limiter without any gain and for an idea how shit is gonna hit. The ones complaining about squashing dynamics act like people are mixing in a complete mastering chain 😂

[@recordingwithrev3496]

Thanks for the tutorial

[@UndrRoof]

Are you bussing the limiter or is it on the master?

[@madd2377]

Can I produce my tracks/beats with a limiter on the master track for instant loudness and to produce with awareness of what it would sound like limited ?

[@quentinjames981]

So do you remove the limiter before sending the track off for mastering?

[@Slaine_OP]

Prob and then his pre master sounds nothing like he thought it would😅😂

[@poyax.]

Mind blown

[@NVRLOSTT]

Idk if im kinda not understanding. So do we put this limiter on before actually doing any EQ, compression etc then mix with it on?

[@yoyolevy3859]

You're the best 👍👍

[@UndrRoof]

Do you gain stage with the limiter on the master?

[@mukanshinluger651]

Yesssirrr✨💯

[@InaktiverUser]

did u disable the limiter after mixing?

[@marcoshehata8968]

hey Devvon, great video! just a had question as to why some people would use a limiter on a vocal instead of compressors? it's not a frequent method of compression however after watching a mix with the masters "alone again" video of Illagelo mix for the weeknd, i've discovered he uses the proL on his vocal chain (but not in the "after hours" MWTM video), and was curious as why this would be a tactic for an intricate engineer. thanks in advance for answers!

[@shalyfemusic]

Limiters are more aggressive compressors. If your threshold is -0.1 db and you put a limiter the mix will never go above -0.1, however with a compressor a little will pass through

[@marcoshehata8968]

@@shalyfemusic thank you for your response. i recognise the role of limiters but what would make someone like Illangelo prioritise loudness with a limiter rather then mixing vocals with compressor(s)? in the "alone again" MWTM video i references, Illangelo is using the Manley VoxBox Pre for vocal envelope shaping and tone, but why mix with a limiter i'm not entirely sure, it could be for loudness reasons, or consistency of lead vox throughout the weeknd's workflow etc.

[@hit1damade783]

We need a printing - render video fam

[@blud_lyne]

Listening thru my earbuds.... the limiter sounds like it gave the mix a bit more space....btw...I wanna join your discord but your link says it expired

[@triggeryaroson782]

Devon❤️❤️

[@lazwid7879]

I think this is good when you make the best yourself ?

[@Ahowe61993]

Is there a problem with the discord? I can't see any of the channels

[@mrmorpheus9707]

Is that snare. Stereo? Sounds like it

[@somebodycomegether770]

yo devvon i have a question when i finish a mix and listen to it its nice and loud but when i upload a song to youtube its way quieter. any reason for that?