Henry on who DESERVES the 2023 Ballon d'Or & why he never won one! | UCL Today | CBS Sports Golazo

[@maxteraform]

That fact that Jamie was two spots behind Zidane is crazy in any football context

[@SongofIceandTea]

Real Madrid was shiet after Beckham arrived, they rise again since Bale and CR7 playing for Madrid

[@cameronpeterson5961]

Not since Becks arrived, since Makelele left ;)

[@figo007tv]

@@cameronpeterson5961 💯. Mak was the glue on the mufuka

[@youngbae5187]

Zidane was a choker that yr. Real didnt get La Liga and choke early in CL. Jamie created the greatest football game of all-time and beat the GOAT Milan team to take the entire CL. He deserves it. Its not like hes ahead of Zidane anyway, hes just listed.

[@overthoughtandunderstated]

I know, right? He's much better

[@thebruhnetwork]

Thierry Henry is one of those footballers you can’t hate. Bros so humble af.

[@StephenCarrIsBald]

Kate’s fiancee sure hates him

[@cun8aslan]

He wasn’t this humble when he peaked at arsenal

[@faizankhalid3842]

Lol he's humble but when it comes to cr7 he's a hater

[@cun8aslan]

@@faizankhalid3842 I’m not talking about that era. It’s 2000s. He was the best player in PL and he knew it. He got humbled by Messi when he was at Barcelona coz he met the best.

[@marcelsansalone3829]

​@faizankhalid3842 id say he has a tinge of that but not a lot. The only thing he said that id deem hateful even though i see his perspective due to his era. Is calling R9 the Real Ronaldo, as if CR7 isnt. Especially when Cristiano achieved all that and more than R9 was projected to achieve, but did not due to injuries etc

[@tobarragl]

I would love to see the 2020 winner to be presented to Lewi, at some point

[@zorashki]

I think they will do it at some point later on the years... just like how they gave Pele/Maradona ballon dors.

[@101notfound17]

They will surely after his retirement to honour his whole career kinda thing

[@alphonseelric5722]

It should be Muller. Lewandowski had an immensely overrated season where he disappeared in nearly all big games.

[@alphonseelric5722]

@@101notfound17 he isn't important enough. If they wanted, they would have given him the 2020. It's insane how bandwagoners actually think he belongs there when for the large majority he was only known for being a slightly worse Nistelrooy (which he is).

[@akkayeps7867]

Mate its time to get over it

[@messiisgoat007]

Henry deserved the Ballon D'or. I have never seen a complete striker like TT. He was an absolute beast during his prime..a phenomenon.

[@fanaticsoccersuper]

Ballon D'or is not the standard used to judge all time greats. Henry didn't win but he's much better than a lot of guys who've won it

[@gladiatorscoops4907]

Nedved, Shevchenko both unbelievable players but the years they won it ahead of TT was an absolute disgrace. TT was outperforming both of them in those season's clearly the best player on the planet. It was arguable between him and Ronaldinho the year he won it too - both had similar numbers, but Ronny winning the CL just put him ahead that season.

[@JarrettMehldau]

​​@@gladiatorscoops4907Dinho won the Ballon D'Or in 2005, but he won the UCL in 2006.

[@all-caps3927]

R9 was more complete, but Henry did it for more years

[@Ghost-tx4ft]

messi and modric is the only player to win this award without being the deserving winner. modric only won it because if they gave it to CR7 that year he would have gone 1 ahead of messi. its clear and obvious and no secret

[@k17nopasi]

To be fair to Nedved, he was the best player in a team that won Serie A, probably the best league in the world at the time. Led Juventus to the Champions League final. Henry won the FA Cup w/ Arsenal. Both deserving of it

[@vangledosh]

Nah Henry was robbed

[@moz7777]

Its not a team award mate

[@johnyanthony9401]

@@moz7777 that is true, so what do you think? Messi or haaland?

[@hitthurdeaux]

Forget 2003, it was 2004 where the real controversy lied.

[@darrenmcdonald6182]

​@@vangledoshRVN outscored him and win player of the season didn't he?

[@gomeze8230]

Henry is pure class

[@jonnysmith582]

Scandalous that Harry Maguire is never spoken about for the ballon d’or

[@Split_Games762]

🤣💀

[@GgGg-cr8th]

Fr he’s the real goat 😂

[@someguy5043]

For real, all these players have only done it for one team, Maguire guided like 5 different teams to get wins over United within a month.

[@edgarv1140]

Fr gives contributions for both teams makes him remarkable

[@KevinGarcia-is3hj]

Respectfully he the opposite of ballon d'or. For some odd reason he did play well with England during the World Cup.

[@EnglishforFOOTBALLFANS]

Henry was so humble here. Micah Richards reading some of his stats compared to Nedved and he didn't react to them at all.

[@JarrettMehldau]

Does Micah know that Nedved played CM? He should have compared Nedved's stats to Patrick Vieira's stats to get a grasp of how exceptional Pavel Nedved was in 2003.

[@SongofIceandTea]

did you even know where Nedved was playing during his career ? did you really expect to see goal stats there ? 🤡

[@kunalsingh4418]

No he didn't react cause he knew how dumb the comment was. Goals are not everything. And he is not even being compared to a striker, of course Henry will have better goalscoring stats. It's common sense nobody won a ballon d or for scoring 17 goals. Nedved contributed in other ways as well, and led his team to trophies.

[@Orchishman]

Then by that same logic KDB and not Haaland should be considered for the trophy this year...thats what henry was pointing out...there is no consistency and its difficult to debate opinions which may change year on year@@kunalsingh4418

[@Ghost-tx4ft]

@@kunalsingh4418 only goals can win you the game bro. most important stat.

[@sparrow2068]

“You can’t debate opinions”. Bro that’s literally the only thing to debate

[@seedheechhaatee3891]

6:37🤣😂 what a moment!!! He deserves that💪🏾. The ultimate underdog

[@lexkanyima2195]

????

[@TheEvilEdward]

LMAO the most random fact was he and buffon are same age and born in the same day TIL

[@Masim443]

Deserve that? To be tied with Ronaldo while Ronaldo was like 18? XD

[@EmraldoDaSilva]

As an Arsenal fan since 2000 I still think Nedved deserved that Ballon D'or in 2003 because he was the motor of that Juve team. He was THE key player of the team that won Serie A, lead the team to the CL final which he was suspended for, and even got to the semi-finals in Euro 2004 with Czech Republic where he got injured. Before social media it wasn't just goals that determined the Ballon D'or.

[@rusty111fire]

and also at that time Serie A was the most competitive league in the world and not to mention Henry didn’t play well in the UCL which has always been a big factor on the award

[@EmraldoDaSilva]

@@rusty111fire agree

[@nascimentoarantes]

lol, Nedved didn’t deserve it. He didn’t even win UCL and didn’t make FIFA world player of the year podium. That year was Henry’s, he did with the FIFA confederations cup as best player.

[@EmraldoDaSilva]

Confederations Cup? 🤣 France was the only team that brought their best team for a pointless tournament haha.

[@terencewood8232]

@@EmraldoDaSilva spot on

[@mattsmartin]

The more I listen to Henry, the more impressive he is. Its a good balance of personalities. Love the show.

[@callejonization]

Nedved was a midfielder, Henry a striker. I guess that explains a lot of the difference in the stats 😅

[@nascimentoarantes]

How about 28 assists for a striker and 14 for an attacking midfielder? Henry- 32 goals & 28 assists Nedved- 17 goals & 14 assists Looks like Henry was double in productivity.

[@callejonization]

@@nascimentoarantes let's see if I got this right. So, a midfielder that managed to get those pretty remarkable stats as the best player of the team that in that year had reached the UCL final (where he couldn't play), being probably the best player in what was arguably the toughest league in Europe at that time (3 Serie A team in the semifinals), being a key player that led his club to win that same league should have come second to the striker of a team that didn't make it through the second group stage of the UCL that year just based on the goals scored mostly in what at that time was an inferior league? Isn't that what the golden boot is for? Who scores the most goals wins it, very simple. The Balon d'or is supposed to be awarded to the best player, which in the end is an opinion and we can argue all day that Henry deserved it more than Nedved, but arguing that a striker is a better player compared to a midfielder just based on the goals and assists scored, I'm not sure it's fair neither makes much sense in my opinion, but who am I to judge 🤷‍♂

[@Laonaadoo]

@@callejonization he spelled the key word which u disregarded and that is PRODUCTIVITY! henry had nearly double the amount of nedved's assist and nedved played in a position that is ALL ABOUT PRODUCTIVITY!!! insane stats by both but henry was a clear cut above nedved who he himself said he was shocked to win the trophy that day because he thought henry would have won it and even said henry deserved it!!! thats the man who won it by the way! lets not pretend EPL wasnt as tough as serie A if not tougher bcz if i start giving names our teeth will drop come on... do i also need to mention that the quality of the teamates matter? i shouldnt but seems like i should... the greatness of that arsenal back in the day comes 90% thanks to henry, they had pretty good players but nowhere near good enough, most of mega teams back then had AT LEAST 4-5 mega players, arsenal had 2 (1. henry, begkamp was at the end of his career, ashley cole who later on left and vieira who didnt get to play much with titi) fabregas and rosicky peaked by the time henry got a massive injury (2007) so he didnt got to play with their peaked versions and then he went to barca, same case with van persie its even more impressive to achieve beyond world class stats, breaking a record in a team that doesnt provide the quality that other big teams do! (read that again) the fact that nedved didnt get to play in the final that year is not an argument that favors him at all, its an absence you cant determine how a "ghost" would do in that game so that take is invalid and therefore dismissed... no matter how we slice it in terms of productivity and while having the superior quality team nedved was FAR from providing assist at the level on henry did and the success of both teams should also include the involvement of their teams aswell and that juve was FLYING that year and yes while nedved was the driver the quality elevated his performance further, henry didnt had that priviledge and he still put some disgustingly high numbers... he broke an ultimate record that is matched by the one and only leo messi... its over

[@DavidLucian]

Thierry Henry and Ronaldinho are by far my favorite living football legends, they are the reason I fell in love with football in the first place, they are part of my childhood... Henry should have won at least one or two ballon d'or in the 2003 and 2004 seasons, he was so unique and underrated back then, he was almost unstoppable and genuinely a very good all-rounder authentic player. ☯️✌️

[@OkA-007]

Same here. TH14, R10, R9

[@zeeo3147]

same🥰

[@jcivantos]

Henry is pure class. What a gentleman.

[@Dr.UldenWascht]

A respectful way of saying "I got robbed" 😄 But also, there was nuance in his response. For a player to win it, not only do they need to achieve great results but the stars need to align as well.

[@Js-om8cb]

When Kate spoke French theirry was ready to risk it all. ‘ say that again’ ‘ oh wow’ 😅🤣

[@TonyB34]

Her pronunciation is really on point though. She has it all 😍

[@steezbekillin]

Ong😂😂😂

[@kuhen25]

Thierry Henry should have at least 2 of these. Coming from a Chelsea fan since 1995.

[@vinnyvasquez]

The biggest problem we have now is people just thinking about goals and assists for this award. It is about a player INFLUENCING success within their team, whichever way that is possible. Saying you think Henry should have won it in 2003 over Nedved just means you never watched Serie A or the Champions League that year where Nedved was fantastic and the best player in each of those competitions. It may have helped that there wasn't a major international competition that year which can sway voting but Nedved still deserved it.

[@nascimentoarantes]

Henry was best player in premier league and FIFA confederations cup by some distance. Champions league he wasn’t. So compare the overall body of work and individual output. No one was more deserving.

[@occelatus1063]

During those days serie a was considered better than premier league. And nedved scored 15 goals and 10 assists. Those are still to this day great numbers for a midfielder

[@hitthurdeaux]

@@nascimentoarantes confederations Cup literally doesn’t matter. Yes Henry was brilliant in 2003, but he failed in Europe while Nedved excelled. Meanwhile in the league Henry was the best player in the PL but lost the title and the golden boot; Nedved was arguably the best player in Serie A and won it. Just too much for Henry to overcome with better statistics and more eye catching attacking football.

[@nascimentoarantes]

@@hitthurdeaux this type of argument is why some thought Jorginho deserved balon d’or in 2021. I recall Arsenal smashing Inter Milan 5-1 at the San Siro in the early 00 and beating the Juve team that sent most players to the Italy World Cup winning squad. I also recall PL teams beating Italian teams so please spare me the BS. Henry deserved to win the Balon d’or ahead of Nedved and Shevchenko. PS: confederations cup probably doesn’t matter because your country can never be in it. 😂😂😂

[@nascimentoarantes]

@@occelatus1063those days when Arsenal smashed Inter Milan 5-1 at the San Siro? You must be drunk. PL teams routinely beat Italian teams and vice Versa, I don’t know what you’re on about. By the way Arsenal also beat the Juve team that produced most of the Italy 06 World Cup squad.

[@patoh68]

Thierry Henry is one person i could listen to the entire day. This guy is just amazing.

[@AGENTMAVERICK9]

True

[@prettyboyonline]

Shoutout Thierry for mentioning Samuel Eto’o

[@Mercurial.]

Yeah while Etoo was NEVER amongst the best players bec his game didn't translate into total football. But as a striker he was amongst the best.

[@mlungisichonco2196]

@@Mercurial.definitely it was impossible to rate Eto above Ronaldihno........not forget Henry himself....for me Henry was above Eto even by 2006

[@Gdgoat222]

Ye but eto never had a season where he could have won it

[@marvin9409]

​@@Mercurial.By that logic, Ronaldo shouldn't have won it after 2014 as, partly, because of his knee injury he became more and more of a poacher than a proper winger. Apart from the fact, that he never was a 'total footballer' if we're talking about creating chances for his teammates like Strikers like Henry or Kane are able to.

[@marvin9409]

​@@Gdgoat222look at Eto'os 2005/06 stats ( when Cannavaro won it simply for being Italys captain when they won the world cup): 34 goals and 10 assist in 47 matches troughout all competitions (including managing to get Lehmann sent off in the UEFA CL final and scoring the equalizer). That year he definitely would've deserved to win it but because he didn't play in the WC he went unnoticed. If you're not from a big nation in most cases you won't get the recognition you deserve. Look at the disrespect Kaylor Navas got despite being one of THE best goalkeepers in the world at his prime. Eto'o definitely had seasons where he deserved the Balon d'Or especially the 2005/06 one.

[@VictorVonDoom.]

Henry was the top goal scorer of the 00’s He should of won the Ballon d’Or in 2003 and 2004

[@kripxic7044]

I am assuming you didn't actually want the full 90 minutes of the games that season. He was world class, but he ghosted in the big games. 0 G/A in all of the finals he appeared in that year. He was the best player in the world by far that year, but in the big moments, he ghosted. Just like Haaland this year. And the big games mean more than statpadding in the league.

[@Mercurial.]

​@@kripxic7044 He scored and dominated vs the best teams in Europe when they were GREAT TEAMS not like this teams of today, soft and average quality. Henry played against LEGENDS as himself was one while today you play vs tik tokers and IG models. He has amongst the best ratio in big games whether it's PL or CL. You been emotional with hatred bec ur favourite player wasn't even half the player Henry was. Him and Messi are the only in modern HISTORY with 25&20 for a season 🤫

[@BigBoss7777777]

@@Mercurial.still ghosted the big games

[@alphonseelric5722]

He never deserved it over Ronaldinho, and Nedved was an immense presence for Juve in their CL final run. Meanwhile the "invincible" Arsenal were embarrassed in the last 16.

[@BigBoss7777777]

@@alphonseelric5722 you can make the same argument about Messi though, he did very little in the UCL during many of his balon dor winning years.

[@abhyudaykanoje]

incredible to think, Alvarez had 2nd highest goals for Argentina in the wc and scored 2nd most goals for MC in the season, why he isn't in the debate. he won the treble and the wc,

[@YA-ye3el]

Because you’re being purposefully controversial - the most important and influential player is of relevance. Alvarez had a fantastic season but in order to be in the debate, you have to be the ‘guy’. I’m sure you knew all this which is why I’m confused why you decided to point it out.

[@YA-ye3el]

…If Belgium had won the WC then De Bruyne would’ve won it… but because of his team’s woeful performance, it negates his achievement at City. Haaland was an enigma because he performed wonderfully at City but needed more “special moments” to convince people

[@edvinaskeliotis129]

incredible to think that you would even come up with this question. its like you dont know anything about football at all

[@Luso00_]

​@YA-ye3el KDB deserved top 4-5 discussion though. He was sensational despite Belgium blowing their tournament.

[@YA-ye3el]

@@Luso00_ he was 4th

[@mikuftmina3736]

Love this crew man🖤 At certain point they become serious and spit facts and next moment they laugh and entertains us🤘🏻

[@smedeiros86]

Nedved was magical. From an Arsenal fan, I recognize he was amazing.

[@pablotobanche4092]

The fact that a mid 30s Messi is still to this day competing with a prime young Erling Haaland is just crazy.

[@nickchemist723]

He’s not though is he . One plays in MLS one plays in the premier league .

[@wickedfreestyle102]

it's not even fair cuz Haaland can't compete with his national team and that's not his fault,messi had his time already, and this is coming from a man utd fan man

[@scottyone1146]

@@wickedfreestyle102 so a ronoldo fan

[@SS-pq9ci]

@@wickedfreestyle102 Why do y'all always support anyone against Messi except Ronaldo himself?

[@goatstatusj5112]

he is not competing. Its just the Media constantly pushing this short fraud as " still the best player" in the world...

[@willgoins218]

Yes, the Ballon d'Or is a media award. The Ballon d'Or winner is decided by 100 journalists from FIFA's 100 top-ranked member nations. Each journalist makes their top five picks from the 30-man shortlist, with each ranking earning a different points value/number of votes. First: Six points Second: Four points Third: Three points Fourth: Two points Fifth: One point

[@Alfie_1]

Along with national team captains and managers, who all vote for their friends and team mates or their players.

[@101notfound17]

@@Alfie_1nah that doesn’t work in the ballon dor ,that works in fifa poty or fifa best award and uefa poty

[@jpa_fasty3997]

@@101notfound17 No he's right. They do get a vote. And they absolutely are biased towards their teammates at club level. You can look at some previous votes, where people who played with Messi would put Messi, Suarez, Neymar #1 #2 #3 and not have ronaldo top 5 in a season he scored 50 goals for example haha. Then I'm sure the same is true of people that played w Ronaldo. It's a stupid award these days.

[@shaa3902]

@@101notfound17In the past they did for the Ballon d’Or but rn not anymore. But in the latest FIFA’s Best Messi won by far at the votes of the National teams captains/managers.

[@whiteknight8734]

@@jpa_fasty3997 lmfao that won't be a problem this season as nobody other than Ronaldo's own country mate and club mates will vote for him for this Ballon D'or 😂😂

[@seamuscumm]

Questioning Nedved winning using his goal and assist stats is the most basic level to go by. Nedved numbers were very good for position played and was also instrumental in Juve CL run to the final, Henry likely lost out because of Arsenal having bad CL that season. The political side and favoritism has mainly become an issue since the Messi/Ronaldo dominance. Nedved won by over 60 points, had over three times they amount of first places votes of Henry. 3 of the top 4 were from Serie A. Also can't be totally ignored that Italian football was still at the top level back then, that year CL semi final had 3 Italian teams.

[@terencewood8232]

spot on

[@bronxbull]

Serie wasn’t as dominant in 2003 as it was before. Henry totally deserved it over Pavel

[@user-jf9sx1nf3s]

Paolo Maldini may see it differently...just sayin'

[@yormeaceko7101]

Lmao Nedved wasn't even the best player of his own team

[@danielshaffer2609]

Henry is so generous with his praise and thoughtfulness

[@arrore]

In 2003 Nedved dominated European football in every sense. He was the sensation of the game all round. Juventus won the double and were unlucky to lose UCL on penalties as they dominated European football. You couldn't give it to Henry for having won an FA cup and Arsenal not amounting to much that year. Henry deserved a Ballon d'Or but you couldn't give it to him over Nedved in 2003, period. PES gamers like me remember very well the demons of Niieved & Juve 2003.

[@hamzaafc06]

That’s the problem with the award, we’re using team trophies to credit an individual trophy. The guy had more than DOUBLE Nedved’s goals AND assists

[@TribalWarsRDA]

Balon d'or should be for the best player that year. Henry was by far the best player on the planet that year. The only player in history other than Messi to get 20+ goals and 20+ assists in a domestic season was Thierry in 2003.

[@arrore]

Nedved was a midfielder not a striker, yet he had a strikers tally. Team performance is important and standing out in big games when it matters. This is what football is about. Many great players didn't receive a Ballon d'Or; Maldini, Raul, Del Piero, Deco, Totti, Pirlo etc. I understand many of you are from Premier League but back in the day it wasn't where all the football furore was made. I myself hardly ever watched Premier League and I am not from any of the big football countries.

[@user-jf9sx1nf3s]

Paolo Maldini may say a word on that 2003 balon d'or that he should have got

[@yormeaceko7101]

Lmao Nedved wasn't even the best player in his own team.

[@elisso_mk8395]

That fact that Jamie was two spots behind Zidane is crazy in any football context😏

[@bayazwow]

Love this crew, Henry was amazing in this video

[@redot15]

Thierry should of won it 2003

[@Jay-op4dv]

not just 2003 😂 i think 2002 and 2004 too

[@Triple_X_X]

​@@Jay-op4dv2002?? 😂😂😂 R9 won the world cup and Copa America before that clown Henry was NEVER a big time player 😂😂😂

[@benlezmh1835]

No he shouldn’t, Nedvěd was the better player that year

[@nascimentoarantes]

2003 and 2004 Henry should have won at least one of those years. And I think he was one goal away from winning in 2006 had Arsenal won the UCL.

[@CJVP99]

@@Jay-op4dv02 R9 was clear mate he scored 8 goal in the WC ffs 03 Henry should have won but even FIFA POTY he didn’t win it Zidane won it In 04 it was Dinho at his peak no way Henry could have won it

[@newbnooby6438]

I think that was a good response by Henry. You cant debate an opinion. ultimately it comes to that.

[@bebongnchuyannick]

I love it that he mentioned Samuel Etoo

[@Sultan666.]

Henry deserved it at least once

[@Mercurial.]

Imagine Owen and Sheva won it and not Titi who was 5 times the player they EVER were.

[@rossl5908]

​@@Mercurial.Shevchenko was better than Henry, a lot better actually

[@Mercurial.]

@@rossl5908 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@user-jf9sx1nf3s]

PAOLO CESARE MALDINI...and you forget the prem was weak early 2000s, AC Milan dominated yet the greatest of all time never won it...yet he did lift 5 of the big ones, and the one in 2003 aswell...

[@Laonaadoo]

@@rossl5908 judging from that face now ive seen it all... AHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAAHAH

[@stefanotvp9782]

People make a lot of confusion or, more simply, don't have a good memory. Nedved is a midfielder, more precisely a left wing at that time, and you can't compare scored goals between a midfielder and a striker (as instead is Henry). And at that time (season 2002-2003) Nedved carried Juventus to the Uefa Champions League final in Manchester vs Ac Milan. But for a yellow card got in the semifinal vs Real Madrid, he couldn't play the final. Nedved was also voted as best midfielder in 2003 by Uefa and best striker was voted Van Nistelrooy (who scored 12 goals in the Champions League 2002-2003, that are 14 considering Preliminary Round games). And talking to goals, in that season of Champions League Nedved scored 5 goals (that for a midfielder is a big number).

[@GK-qc5ry]

2002 France won the euros, that would be enough for Henry with his domestic stats as well.

[@stefanotvp9782]

@@GK-qc5ry No, 2002 was the World Cup not the Euro and France was last in its group stage (they did a bad world cup). France won the Euro in 2000, but we are talking about the season 2002-2003.

[@DamianAntonio4126]

You say this yet Henry had more goals and assists than Nedved so that should be a cancellation on your first point.

[@maza19]

@@DamianAntonio4126 Nedved was a midfielder. Del Piero and Trezeguet were supposed to score the goals, yet Nedved scored more than Trezeguet while mastering the midfield. He had an amazing season and definitely deserved it.

[@jamieconn6896]

So one tournament is more important than the results/consistency of a full season. Messi was the reason Argentina won that World Cup and was clutch throughout but haaland did have the better season all throughout.

[@yt2530]

Modric won for his wc performance. If balon d’or was simply for stats, messi would have 10+. Haaland doesn’t do enough in games to warrant a best player award. He has 5 touches a game.

[@nascimentoarantes]

Brother, it is how he did it. Haaland is simply a goal scorer with no individual brilliance. Talking about individual brilliance Messi could have won Balon d’or every year from 2009 to 2021. But they do consider trophies won sometimes. This time he won the World Cup by being absolutely brilliant.

[@mdzaidshaikh1863]

It's not about just statistics but pure performance and how important you were for the team, if you removed Halaand and put Kane, Mbappe, etc in man city in the same situation they would perform the same as him, because everything he did was waiting near thr net and wait for kdb's passes. But if you remove Messi there is no player who could have delivered the things he did, Could have haaland dribbled passed gvardiol from the centre for the third argentina goal, Could have halaand gave the unexpected assist tearing apart dutch defence, It's not just about goals, Messi plays deep and still got his deserving statistics, tell me a player who fights in midfield for creating chances and still scores like a pocher. He had the highest G/A. People only look for goals but man 30+ assists is not a joke.

[@shanepro7777]

Thierry and Jamie are awesome together, great pairing, they have a lot of fun together

[@Tchafsir]

8 ballon d'ors is insane

[@Mercurial.]

It is unless politics comes into play like AGAIN for Messi 💰

[@emanuelasintamarian9848]

@@Mercurial. still crying..... the man is fluid football but ...whatever makes you feel better!:)

[@TheFrame7]

Indeed, but i don't think he deserves 8, maybe 5

[@derrickkinya]

​@@TheFrame7messi before this comment:8 messi after this comment:8😂😂😂😂😂

[@TheFrame7]

@@derrickkinya Exactly. They should just limit ballon d'or at 3 per player. If they win ballon d'or hattrick award should be named something like GOAT D'or or Legendary D'or whatever 😂

[@PaddyVieira4]

How Thierry didn't win that in 2003/2004. He was on 🔥 not being biased. He was exceptional tearing the premier League up.

[@VinceMoogin]

Besides his goals, he got most dribbles, most assists, pre assists, through balls etc. (besides a Wc title which is mainly a team effort) Thats such more impact than a striker just his goals. Talking bout being Robbed. Give some of cr7 his award to Iniesta. That man won the WC CL etc

[@thierry3x]

And what about Nueur 2014. Who totally revolutionize the Gk post and won the Wc of course but didn’t he win it? NO so don’t talk about Messi. And plus Bayern went to 1/2 ucl that year too with Nueur.

[@noyes88]

Kdb got the mosts assists😂 mans said pre assist 💀💀 Messi robbing yet another award😂

[@franknartey6948]

The year Iniesta won the w/c its was given to messi not Ronaldo

[@pedrooliveira6394]

It was messi that won that year lmao

[@archaicrapture]

WTF is pre assists? 😂😂😂

[@frederikskovdal]

“You cant debate opinions” I think thats the only thing you can debate, Henry

[@theprofessor864]

Henry's stats in 2003..... 32 goals and 28 assists was insane. In a time when even scoring 30 goals was hard, he even made 28 assists ..... INSANE

[@peterhunter8274]

Nedved was incredible. He would have single handed won the champions league final had he not been suspended. Tore madrid to shreds

[@hishamfs831]

Very little's been said about Mbappe's World Cup performance. He was arguably the single most influential player in that Final match.

[@jnastiness2052]

Henry respectfully saying the award doesn’t always go to the best player, it goes to the best storyline

[@Luso00_]

I think he means, sometimes the consensus better player doesn't always win.

[@fanaticsoccersuper]

Ballon D'or is a beauty contest where winners are determined based on emotion, a lot of times players who deserve it miss out.

[@velislavdamyanov3323]

So the award should be about our favorite players, not the best ones??

[@noyes88]

⁠@@velislavdamyanov3323it’s already about our favorite ones 😂 why do you think Messi is a favorite to win it

[@Username-mn7pc]

@@noyes88so you know football more than Henry and R9 who said Messi deserves to win😂

[@muyambiantonio4540]

It is not quantifiable. A player like Haaland can score 50 goals and won't inspire or make kids and adults cry at the same time. A goal like Zidane's in the CL final vs Leverkusen was it, can inspire the next generation of players. Kids will play in the sun, rain and darkness until their mums come physically drag them off the field because of such a goal. So it is an emotional award. I don't remember the moment myself but it is said Nedved had a few games like that in Juventus' CL run that year (2003). And that's how he beat Henry to the award. But debate aside, any one saying Messi doesn't deserve this year's award by playing down captaining Argentina to the world cup and crucial goals at every stage (the goal against Mexico is what calmed team, they were getting nervous, a nervousness and impatience that loses you games), to argue he doesn't deserve it is in my opinion dishonest. I saw Batistuta cry that night of the WC final, in fact sob in happiness, he was a pundit but was sobbing in happiness. Only true football fans understand what winning a world cup means.

[@FOH45]

​@@noyes88exactly

[@thijshagenbeek8853]

I could name several players who were titans of the beautiful game and never recieved a balon'dor.

[@abolacadernos7164]

Julian Alvarez won the World Cup and the treble so why isn’t his name in the running? Just goes to show how football is all about image.

[@SS-pq9ci]

"Anyone but Messi please I beg you"

[@jandregarcia6434]

Ignorant comment and perfect example of how all you Ronaldo fans are trying to make it seem like Messi is robbing this award bc yall hate him. Really? Julian Alvarez? Hes elite for sure but he wasnt even a starter for Man City in the Prem or CL and wasnt even top three player for Argentina let alone best young player on his team!(enzo won best young player). Sure, maybe KDB, Rodri, Mbappe and Haaland all have good cases to win the award, but messi is not robbing nobody. Multiple people can be deserving of an award but unfortunately one can only win. Its not that Messi just won the world cup, he won the world cup AND had an all time campaign. He was undoubtedly the best player in the biggest tournament on earth and if you actually watched Argentina/PSG play youd see who the driving force of the attack is. Hes a creator/playmaker and a goal scorer

[@Bandana334]

You're coping so hard bro, you don't believe that yourself

[@vardrids]

Messi was player of the tournament, Alvarez wasn’t

[@ElmoNator39]

@@jandregarcia6434 Messi also won a domestic double in France which gives him another buffer to win it. He should win it, but I'm happy as long as it's him or Haaland. Also the best player for city was De Bruyne and the shared 2nd place from city is Haaland and Rodri. If it doesn't go to Haaland or Messi it should be KDB.

[@davidkamqwerty2346]

Messi deserves this award because for a long time critics were saying that he needs to win the world cup inorder to be considered greatest of all time. And not only did he win it, but he also showed great leadership during the process. You can say whatever you like, but this particular Balon dor will be considered by Messi as his greatest because of his successfull World Cup campaign..

[@mendez77054ify]

Lol but this award is for players who accomplished something in Europe. Not for players that play in the MLS. Corruption and ignorance at is best.

[@davidkamqwerty2346]

@mendez77054ify LOL! Were you on another planet when Messi and Argentina won the World Cup? News flesh The World Cup is bigger than Europe

[@mendez77054ify]

@@davidkamqwerty2346 again with the ignorance, the ballon D’or is mean for accomplishment in Europe. Now is nothing more than a popularity contest

[@Pyrovile42]

3:30 Henry says it perfectly here and that's I believe the problem with this award. They are right that Messi is a deserving winner, given the history of the Ballon d'Or but I think there is a disconnect between what it is and how it is viewed by fans. It is too much results oriented. It's doesn't really go to the best player but to the best player who achieved the most while what the public want is a coronation of the best player in the world period. Sometimes the two definitions coincide, sometimes they don't

[@nascimentoarantes]

Hmmm. Why didn’t a Spanish player win when Barca and Spain dominated football?

[@patinho5589]

His record versus nedved’s for that year is mad honestly. They look at stats more now. It’s just general football journalists giving their general impression. And they were still following Italian football more than he prem in 2003.

[@tushan_96]

You can but with your eyes😮.. such Valuable awards. Even if you Ignore that you aren’t interested in it but in reality it’s the dream of every footballer in the world.

[@mr__OK]

Messi fans in 2010 said that no one should win it because of 8 games when Spain won but now want him to win it because he had good World Cup

[@chrisgault87]

He won a trophy with 3 different teams this year you forget that ? Or just salty Ronaldo isn’t even nominated

[@aminabasi1141]

so your telling me haaland deserves to win it with his digusting final performances?💀💀💀

[@twinz5694]

@@aminabasi1141 should you deserve it for getting 5 penalties?

[@SS-pq9ci]

@@twinz5694 Ronaldo fan talking about penalties when Ronaldo's only goal at the World Cup was a penalty

[@yt2530]

@@twinz5694Messis assists vs netherlands and croatia has more quality than 90% of haalands goals. You’re just here crying supporting anyone but messi because of your beloved camel. It’s embarrassing.

[@Preludedraw]

Haaland isn't just about the goals he scored and treble. It's his first season in a new club in a new league and breaking records too. If Messi indeed getting the ballon, well then in next world cup season players should just focus on the world cup and ignore any other achievement.

[@junioralvarado629]

tbf he was absent on big games

[@Preludedraw]

​@@junioralvarado629 Unfortunately yea, can't argue that.

[@nicholasabegunde5301]

Unfortunately, WC tax is very huge, deservedly so as it is the biggest sporting event in the world. And like Henry said, the pressure was absolutely massive on Messi and he was unplayable in that WC. Most players that does very well in the WC usually wins it except in 2010, 2014. Also, Messi didn't have a bum season outside the WC, the man still had 40G/A outside this WC which is very good. Haaland deserves it also but unfortunately there is WC tax.

[@ThuyNguyen-zi5jy]

Fallacy. 100 journalists know better than you.

[@joelivuso7351]

​@@nicholasabegunde5301Name 1 big team Messi performed well against at club level last season

[@RomeDCarlo]

The 2020 Balon Dor should be retroactively issued, Lewa deserved to be recognized for his year

[@Wladislav]

Yeah he absolutely deserves it.

[@wernersteiner4325]

For me, Thierry Henry was and is one of the best strikers of all time - fast, technically perfect, elegant, dangerous in every situation. Football art at the highest level, but still effective. It's a bad joke that he never got the trophy.

[@aj4901]

7:28 - 7:47. 😂😂😂 this exchange is hilarious to me. “ Ohh worw, say it agen!” & another “OHH WORW”

[@MultiJejje]

I'm not mad that Messi won again, he had so terrific season. But as a City fan, I feel kind of sad for Haaland. He had better individual season for sure, but because Messi won the World Cup he won this trophy. And I understand this fully. Hope Haaland's time will come but I think City needs at least 2 trophies so he could win. Because it looks like he will miss the Euro2024 and I bet which ever country wins it, some player from this team has a great chance to win next years trophy. Norway has a small chance to qualify through Nations League if they get little bit lucky and countries ahead of them will qualify. If I remember right Norway would be the next country behind Iceland to get place in March to play playoff games. There is now Bosnia-H, Ukraine, Israel and my country, Finland. Finland has 100% sure playoff spot already. We lost 3 games in a row just now... we were about 70% to qualify before these 3 games, now no chance anymore. And we lost against Kazakstan also :) Basically drawing against Slovenia would have put us in perfect position.

[@gordo9104]

Booo I hate when people say Messi won the World Cup so he deserves it. Like Henry said why didn’t iniesta or xavi win during the Spain dominance era? It’s all just opinion and propaganda for the mls to get hyped and make more revenue

[@captainmorpheus7721]

Henry always hits the point ^^

[@coleyboy1921]

As much as an all time season by a forward is hard to pass up for the Balon D'Or, Nedved was amazing for Juventus and took a team that lost Zidane 2 seasons prior to the UCL final (though he missed the final through suspension) and to a Serie A title (well before Juve's dominance of Serie A). He played midfielder so any stat comparison in terms of goal involvements is pointless. Henry had remarkable stats, but he only won the FA Cup. I DON'T think its fair to put so much weight on team awards. A striker hitting 20 goals and 20 assists in the league for the first time in history is deserving of an individual award, but I must confess the Balon D'Or has consistently rated success in Europe and in your domestic leagues as extremely important.

[@patinho5589]

Good point on the stat comparisons and the different positions.

[@MyConfession__]

Gracious words are like a honeycomb, sweetness to the soul and health to the body.

[@traseeh]

The greatest thing CBS has ever done is getting Henry, Micah and Jamie together.

[@yavevo426]

Henry, an intelligent man.

[@tobiaschurch8848]

Hmm, I don't trust the golden ball anymore. Seems a little weird now. Thierry is right, there's a weird metric used because if Messi wins this season, then Iniesta or Xavi should've won at least 1 during their time. Also surprised lewandowski didn't win. Thought he had one from his incredible season.

[@inclinebench]

Out of Iniesta, Xavi and Messi, only Messi won the World Cup and the WC golden ball in the same campaign. While you could argue that Iniesta/Xavi should've won at least in their time, they shouldn't have won it over Messi.

[@wefinishthisnow3883]

Alvarez: -World Cup (scores more in-play goals than Messi and 3rd in golden boot) -UEFA Champions League -English Premier League -English FA Cup *crickets*

[@abdalla8558]

WC comes once every 4 years, ballondor and champions league is every single year WC year is always a special year

[@dsavage6618]

Yup

[@AstroSully]

Treble is even rarer 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Windy-b9p]

@@AstroSully World Cup is more important 🤷‍♂

[@AstroSully]

@@Windy-b9p I’ll go with the achievement which is rarer

[@Peter-mw3wj]

8 games shouldn’t be more important than a whole season though. Messi got stats in the French league which is regarded as the worst out of the top 5 and I think might have even gone down to the sixth best league based on statistics. Haaland should have won it this year and if Ronaldo was still in Europe and had Haalands stats this season then there’s a high chance he would have won it.

[@donaldpitt]

You can’t debate opinions. Brilliant.

[@henrylkefi3640]

Henry dsnt néed IT....His Legendary story continu until today.....++ statut in front of stadium is immortal

[@NteuMatt]

The problem is its an award of opinion thats why there will always be division. Personally I think halland deserves it because city would have never won the treble without him and that's the reason why he was brought in.

[@martinschidozieezuma6741]

Remember, Man city won the treble without Halland scoring in major finals. No doubt, Halland was great throughout the season, but he did not even qualify or play in the most important and difficult football tournament in the world--WC. If Halland had played in that competition and even got to the semis, he may have won. What Messi did in the world cup, considering the pressure on him and his age, is just remarkable. He did not just win the WC, he was clearly the best player in almost all the games he played. That is not a small feat

[@mynutsonyourchin2806]

@@martinschidozieezuma6741 Messi is the penalty king 👑 😂

[@NteuMatt]

@martinschidozieezuma6741 they also lost major trophies last season because they needed a striker like him. He offers goals were small teams successfully park the bus against them

[@arncj18]

agreed, only 10 year later you see the value of Iniesta and Xavi, but the ballon went to the striker

[@k.2754]

obviously. They won the WC and everything, but in ther club team was a guy who completely stands above all, so it makes no sence to give the golden ball to them.

[@akashh.]

​@@k.2754🤡

[@germainejoseph5687]

I honestly don't know how the winners of this trophy is selected yes

[@joelivuso7351]

​@@k.2754but the reason they're saying Haaland or KDB or Rodri shouldn't win it is cause they didn't stand out in the World Cup. Iniesta and Xavi stood out in the world cup. Why didn't they win it

[@AstroSully]

@@k.2754Iniesta and Xavi deserved atleast 1 Golden Ball. Even if Messi was better.

[@HeadFunny]

I don't get the argument of having to win the big trophies to win the Ballon d'or when speaking about Henry not winning in 2003. Figo in 2000 didn't win any trophies, and Rivaldo in 1999 only won La Liga.

[@Luso00_]

You're right Figo didn't win any trophies with Barcelona in 2000, but it was either Figo or Zidane that was player of the tournament at the Euros. Rivaldo was player of the tournament at 1999 Copa America.

[@marianovidalmelendez1215]

Thierry is a role model, period.

[@frich2k]

This was probably the best Titi show I've ever seen :D

[@SkywalkerG1o]

Jamies was solid back in 2005

[@flapp-jck1226]

Xavi and Iniesta dominated at international level and also club level but never got individual recognition for it. 😔

[@Ninja-gt3zi]

Finally someone said it. These guys haven’t got the balls to say the truth

[@MultipleFlames]

Because in every season Messi was the best individual my if this award was individually Messi would have won 10+ balon dors

[@crazylizard1889]

When KDB wasn't injured, I was furious about him not being in the conversation. If he was still fit, I bet no one would even consider him. Ridiculous.

[@andreamazzeo4306]

Agreed. He was City's best player. But the Ballon d'Or is a popularity contest and those who score goals are just more popular. It is what it is.

[@Triple_X_X]

KDB?? 😂 for what?? He just gives out great passes then go into hiding..Do you even know what best player means?!

[@AcxD93]

​@@ImaybeNormalThere is a player that can both be a playmaker and a goalscorer, is overall a complete player and is levels above KDB

[@user-xx7tv7cc1y]

shock. nobody really considers midfielders unless you win a worldcup. it's always goals based. always. van dijk had the highest peak a defender could have in football and he didn't get anywhere near winning it.

[@ojvic7297]

Lmao😂 He was complaining through out the worldcup😂

[@guilhermepontes2416]

I don’t think that the world cup should rank higher than the Champions League, you’re not evaluating individual performances but rather their teams, it’s impossible for a player like Haaland in Norway to ever win the world cup. The champions league is a better way of evaluating individual players because you can change clubs, you can’t really change your country.

[@TomLatchford69]

I hope in 2029 he wins the super ballon d'Or. I dont think he has enough awards yet as that one is missing! He deserves it more than anyone else from 1990, or before that for that matter

[@Gottistgutund]

Tbf the Argentine team was pretty solid. IMO messi didn’t carry the team. He lead the team but saying he carried is an insult to the tournament guys like di Maria, de Paul or Alvarez played

[@ViginiaMolai]

De Paul is not good,Di Maria was injured played less games, Alvarez was not well known and didn't get much game time at city. MC Alister was playing for Brighton and unknown team,Enzo was playing for benfica(farmers league).

[@obedndubisi1491]

Thanks, Henry. I was waiting for someone to mention Xavi and Iniesta. Messi winning the trophy in 2023 because of the World Cup means that Xavi and/or Iniesta were robbed in 2010. And if you claim that Messi won it in 2010 because of his club performance and goals that season (even though he didn't win the Champions League), then Halaand has been robbed in 2023 (after winning the treble and scoring 52 goals in total). All that said, Messi is truly a generational player. 👑

[@manuelignacioarturoocaranz1185]

No, that’s not what he said. On the contrary, he is arguing against the nonsense of “being robed”. There are 100 journalists that voted freely. You can be in line with their opinions. But to say there was robbery is stupid. Xavi said it, Messi should win it every ear because he is the one that plays the game better than anyone. As simple as that.

[@HailToFSM]

Xavi and Iniesta are 2 people, and the golden ball can't be shared. That's the point

[@CoversTavo]

Xavi or Iniesta? Before you throw out your shitty comment, choose one of the two. Messi in 2010 was in his prime, it would have been stupid to choose Iniesta or Xavi over him that year, no matter how many world cups they win

[@Pseudodef]

Lucky to have Mr Henry by your side, he provides so many insights

[@tonydew440]

Respect Michael Owen for winning it, he was incredible as a young talent. He scored a hat-trick away to Germany, helped Liverpool win the F.A Cup, League Cup, Super Cup, Charity Shield and Europa League. He was Golden Boot winner, what a crazy talent he was at such a young age. Last English Player to win it.

[@markrobertson8543]

Was Owen better than Rooney?

[@L1ghtJump3r_]

TBf tho, that year raul should’ve won it

[@tonydew440]

@@L1ghtJump3r_ Owen deserved it, that's why he won it. He was miles ahead of Rual in the votes, Raul got 140 Votes and Owen 176 Votes. Nobody back then had any issue with Owen winning it, that's why Real Madrid signed Owen. Owen score 31 goals and Raul scored 24 goals. Raul Only scored 14 goals that season in La Liga in like 31 matches. He won the League in Spain yet Owen won League Cup, FA Cup, Super Cup, UEFA Cup and Charity Shield. So Own scored more goals and won 4 more Trophies but Raul deserved it lol. Clueless people, you probably thought Rodri didn't deserve it either lol.

[@shannonharris5173]

Favorite striker of all time. I won't say best, just favorite.

[@diegosanabria6993]

Henry is being humble, he should've won

[@mob9334]

Pavel Nedved was world class at Lazio and Juventus...2003 he was brilliant also Euro 2004 he was running the show for the Czech Republic and got to the semi final...2003 henry and Nedved either 1 could have won it but i definitely wouldn't say henry was robbed...

[@mediacenterman8583]

People forget how elite Italian football was and view that era through EPL eyes only. Nedved was superb and the heartbeat of every team he played for.

[@nascimentoarantes]

@@mediacenterman8583Henry was robbed, full stop.

[@johnstephens6809]

Haaland. He is just such a big impact in europe. He vibrates the title ultimate striker. Amazing guts and tenacity...

[@CJVP99]

The ballon d’Or gets it wrong very often but even if you go by the Fifa POTY award/Fifa the Best award Henry still wouldn’t have won Ballon d’Or in 03 - Nedved FIFA POTY in 03 - Zidane Ballon d’Or in 04 - Shevchenko FIFA POTY in 04 - Ronaldinho

[@nascimentoarantes]

He was clearly Robbed. He was French footballer of the year for 5 years during the period. Nedved and Zidane didn’t deserve those awards. Shevchenko didn’t either. I will not argue about Ronaldinho because that guy was insane.

[@zorashki]

Zidane Ballon dor in 1998 is the most overrated Ballon dor ever.. I swear.. go watch him he only did good in the World cup did nothing with Juventus., just like Messi with PSG only did good with Argentina.... I hate this voting system.. @@nascimentoarantes Shevchenko ballon dor also Overrated as heck... Henry got robbed but I can't complain since Nedved was indeed insane that year if he didnt get red card he would've carried Juve to CL.. he knocked Madrid by himself.

[@ASK-ce6ps]

​@@zorashkisometimes they gave it on award with biase💯

[@alexeiharp7676]

@@zorashki yeah in 98 Zidane mostly scored two headers during WC final which is remarkable but he was far from being the best player in that competition or overall, he was insanely good in Euro 2000 et WC 2006 however

[@AstroSully]

@@nascimentoarantesZidane deserved 2000 Easily.

[@jennifernzrose3960]

I agree with Henry, he is so calssic and so honest and so goood!!!!!!!

[@mimibuenafe]

Oh i love Titi for always telling facts and truth always...

[@overcomerlaban]

Carragher is so happy to be ahead of Ronaldo in 2005😂🔥

[@zeo4481]

Wasn't Cristiano 18 then?

[@FSousA7X]

@@zeo4481 yes 😅

[@ian-th7rd]

Nobody should ve won the ballon de or besides messi or Ronaldo in this era don’t care how good team success was….individual award and goes to the best player

[@ShrekIsDaddyPleaseLickMe]

Messi would have won 9 times and Ronaldo would only have won 1 time. Look up G/A contributions from 2001 to now and you’ll see how dominant Messi is. No one is close.

[@thecro2060]

​@piotrslaby4315 But then you're also not taking into account performances in big matches, for example in 2016 Ronaldo didn't have as many g/a as messi, but he stepped up and performed in the Euros and champions league (especially in the kncokputs). So even if it was based on individual performance, they wouldn't look solely at stats, that's absurd

[@komaddog]

@@ShrekIsDaddyPleaseLickMeMessi is the GOAT but I hate when people bring up this new stat " goal contributions/ g/a" . That was created in the Messi/CR7 era to try to separate the two because CR was banging in just as many goals on most occasions but not as many assists. No one cared about R10 or R9 or Rivaldo or Zidanes goal contributions.

[@lexkanyima2195]

​@@thecro2060but Ronaldo was not that oustanding in Euro 2016

[@thecro2060]

@lexkanyima2195 He had 3 goals and 3 assists in Euro 2016. For context, you take away Messis penalties in this world cup and he had the exact same stats as Ronaldo did in Euro 2016, coz Ronaldo didn't score any penalties in Euro 2016. Ronaldo also had clutch performances against Hungary in the group stage to secure qualification to knockouts ehen portugal conceded 3, and he also clutched up against Wales in the semi final, idrk what you're talking about ngl

[@guruberan9745]

Haaland deserved to win the ballondor.❤

[@gobblatrill3403]

Henry is such a real dude!!!

[@Elizabeth-on9yg]

Henry ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@factualanimation]

Whoever wins, it will be well deserved!

[@LNLBD]

06:37 Carragher's reaction is priceless. 😄

[@TheAnimalWolverine]

And he didn’t even win a single one so he can’t even talk.

[@Wowietalks]

Everyone always goes that year henry should of won it, but neveded had 17 assits that aint too shabby. Some times football its not all about goals and assits its about build up play, range of passing, shooting from all distances🎉

[@victorchen9170]

28 ain't too shabby either

[@AlphaPacino-fb3wz]

Anyone who watched Henry in his prime know that as good as Nedved was, he didn't come close to Thierry Henry as a player.

[@nickchemist723]

Yet henry had 11 more assists …. 🤣

[@nascimentoarantes]

You’re comparing 17 assists to 28? And then 32 goals and winning the confederations cup. Nedved didn’t even win the champions league that year.

[@Wladislav]

People look at stat sheets and not the actual matches, unfortunately. Serie A was far better than the EPL in 2003 as well.

[@techsamurai11]

There's only one clear answer to this and it's Dani Carvajal - Champions League and Euro and he was sublime in both.

[@alexismike313]

I understand that Henry was invincible but nedved won it , Henry's goal scoring and assists that year was unmatched yes but nedved was playing in the best league in the world at that time, led juve to UCL final that juve lost because he didn't play, a player that totti said is unplayable, won the league and coppa Italia , he was everything Juventus that year and that was it. But for someone to win the award of 2023 because of 2022 performance is what I simply don't understand. Messi is a better player than haaland yes everyone knows that but this is 2023 performance we are talking about