Here Is Why ChargePoint DC Fast Chargers Are Becoming The Backbone Of American EV Charging

[@KyleConner]

TLDW: basically they sell charging as a service and have a fantastic sales team

[@RedlineR1S]

Charge Point sales team....please, please, please come to Minnesota. Our charging infrastructure is so far behind a state like Colorado. For a progressive, outdoorsie state like Minnesota, its just such a shame how far behind we are.

[@zachcrab5650]

love that you did this for your own video lmao.

[@SuspectOnTheLam]

ChargePoint is a horrible business model for site operators. They charge a lot for crappy Level 2 AC chargers. Look at how much the state of Maine paid for their level 2 chargers: www.maine.gov/future/sites/maine.gov.dafs.bbm.procurementservices/files/inline-files/2020%20MA%2018P%20200730-004%20Web%20Doc.pdf The ongoing costs are insane too. Contrast that with Tesla that only charges $595 for a NACS/CCS wall connector. For the cost of a ChargePoint charger, you can maintain a Tesla Wall Connector and offer every car that comes by free charging while still spending less than what ChargePoint wants.

[@minienigma]

I work for a fairly large company that can afford to install a bunch of level 2 chargers in our parking lots. It is very apparent, that the service contracts are *VERY* expensive -- the company essentially have been asking people to be vigilant about "sharing" and "careful" the use of the chargers. Invariably there are carelssess people or network/configurations/hardwore issues occur, as the number of working dispensers dwindles.

[@adamcnessesq]

I watched but def appreciate the summary

[@The8BitGuy]

I've used many chargepoint stations across the country. As you say, they aren't super fast. But I've never encountered one that didn't work. And that's honestly more important to me than speed. I'd rather plan on being at the station an extra 10 minutes with the assurance that it will work, than risk going to a high power station from Francis or somebody like that, and then it not work.

[@supergeek02468]

We have about 8 of those exact units in the video spread around my work and about half of them work. I think they're heavily neglected since they're only open to employees. Has really colored my view of those units though.

[@davidbondi]

When I first tried to use ChargePoint, I had to go to 4 locations before I could find one that actually worked. The connector is finicky and there is a small piece that is easily damaged that will keep the charger from engaging. When I finally did locate a unit that was not broken, it worked fine and the app was friendly enough. Is it fast, yes faster than my level 2 at home, but not 250kw fast like the Gen 3 Tesla Superchargers. Say what you want, this is not a reliable "backbone", no way I would feel comfortable on the road having to rely on this network to get me charged and from point A to point B. Tesla supercharger network, now there is a backbone!

[@letsgobrandon5800]

@@davidbondiwell stated mate. I thought the term backbone sounded a bit like an AD. Everyone raves about the ease, reliability and simplicity of Tesla charging, but ChargePoint? I’m calling BS here.

[@777Outrigger]

If they're not broken, completely kaput, then they work great. There are a lot that are in that completely-broken condition. But I'm hoping for the best for CP.

[@recursiv]

I've tried to use some locally several times. My success rate is 0%. I've never gotten one to work.

[@randyshanofsky9903]

Alyssa, you're a genius! First, you flip sides to get the beautiful Fall foliage in the background, then you add an important fact to the discussion, than you push in when the truck goes by to get better sound. MVP of the Out Of Spec team!

[@davidhardin5546]

Thank goodness for ChargePoint -- often the only oasis in the midst of the many CCS "charging deserts" here in the Midwest. ChargePoint units have often meant the difference between success and failure for a number of trips we've taken in Iowa/southeastern Minnesota/southwestern Wisconsin. 60 kW in a pinch -- heck yes, I'll take it, and be glad to have it.

[@joetacchino4470]

Imagine having the head start of Electrify America with billions invested and completely fumbling the ball as badly as they have. Glad to see someone in the CCS world is actually performing.

[@0hypnotoad0]

Its such an absurd situation, if the EA stations had actually been reliable and durable they would have eventually been money printers for VW group. It's just laziness, they buy a charger from whoever the fuck manufacturer, slap a logo on it, install the charger, pocket the subsidy money, move on. Whereas had they actually had a hand in designing reliable charging units and keeping them maintained, they could have actually made real revenue in the long-run. Instead, they've left heaps of money sitting on the table, and completely lost customer faith at the same time.

[@overcaffeinatedengineering]

They are the only major charging provider that allows owners to own the cabinets. Together with having a network and payment infrastructure, and a new optional service plan, makes them the only option for people who want to provide charging and own the revenue.

[@dlewis9760]

It's in their interest to keep the things up and running. As opposed to maybe the charger company having to pay a fee to pop chargers on someone's property. If the property owner gets paid whether they work or not, the property owner doesn't really care if they work or not. Having skin in the game focuses the mind of the entity that has the unit.

[@billleddy602]

I’m a big fan of ChargePoint. I had a leaf and now have a Kona so the 62kw limit isn’t much of a limit to me and they AWAYS work. Have never had a failed session. CP is the only network that ever delivered the 50kW my leaf could take.

[@BeverleeR.Ziegler]

Still with Tesla stock, investors can never be sure what will happen next, bearish periods ultimately establish a new set of stocks to buy and watch while setting the stage for a robust new uptrend. I have been reading articles of people that grossed profits up to $250k during this crash, what are the best stocks to buy now or put on a watchlist?

[@JanineJ.Cromwell]

I enjoy challenging my investing mindset with the thoughts of others superior to mine, our thinking is definitely similar.

[@JimmyA.Alvarez]

I agree, that's the more reason I prefer my day to day investment decisions being guided by an advisor, seeing that their entire skillset is built around going long and short at the same time both employing risk for its asymmetrical upside and laying off risk as a hedge against the inevitable downward turns, coupled with the exclusive information/analysis they have, it's near impossible to not out-perform, been using my advisor for over 2years+ and I've netted over 2.8million.

[@WyattSmith-v]

Smart, If i wanted to do the same with my retirement funds too, how do i get started trading?

[@WyattSmith-v]

how do I go about it the right way. I’d love to use similar terms as yours.

[@JimmyA.Alvarez]

I've had majority of my holdings in ETFs, tech stocks and I've had 45% increase in my portfolio, especially with Nvidia P/E (price to earnings ratio) adding few others, personally, coach Jennifer Lea Jenson take good care of my holdings.

[@egl8983]

Here in south east Pennsylvania, we have many ChargePoint locations. They seem to be the popular choice among local municipalities just starting out with installing EV chargers. Some even offer free charging. As a Leaf owner, I appreciate that the ChargePoint DC chargers around here usually have a CHAdeMO connector. But the most important factor to me is that they are reliable and easy to use, including the app.

[@ChargePointnet]

Enabling businesses of any type to offer EV charging for EV drivers everywhere 🙂

[@MikeRadioNY]

Thanks Chargepoint! Every time I use one at a hotel it just works.

[@barryw9473]

Yes, but I have had so many bad experiences at Chargepoint stations because business do not maintain them. This is a huge problem with your business model.

[@moderatesunited]

Charge point is slower but they always seem to work. I'll lake 62.5 kw versus broken any day.

[@Wised1000]

💯

[@Hans-gb4mv]

They recently opened some DC fast chargers at a grocery store I frequent (ideal location imho) and the charger states that it can do 150kW at 1000V, which surprised me as usually you see 150kW chargers getting limited to 500V. So I had to test it out and yes, my Ioniq 6 was able to charge at 150kW at that charger :) . It's nice to see more and more DC chargers popping up everywhere and nice that more and more support 1000V

[@2thdocdds]

ChargePoint 125kW saved my hide traveling through Columbia, SC when the EA station was down last week. Most consistent power delivery of any DC charger I’ve ever used.

[@Lynyrd_Evnyrd]

Chargpoint needs to add boost logic to their CPE250 cables pronto! They would be much more useful at 300 amps and the cable is plenty capable of that power level.

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

As a Tesla driver, I have used their L2 chargers many places - especially in parking garages to charge up while I'm doing something else. In particular, the South Gondola parking structure in Breckenridge. Since moving to Colorado, I am considering getting a CCS adaptor so I can use their L3 chargers since they are in several small towns throughout Colorado.

[@EarlCo]

I used one recently, it was located nearby a super-busy Supercharger along I-25 in Southern Colorado and I'm so glad I have a CCS adapter. Saved me a 30+ min wait for a not much higher kWh rate!

[@turnersinsurance8656]

we' ve LOVE Chargepoint simply by the reasons you mention: NUMEROUS LOCATIONS and available with many more cities/utilities/regions, and businesses... so many new DUAL Chargers popping up all over our area... and we are very RURAL. Love it.

[@dennislyon5412]

Charge Point DC chargers all over in Michigan mitten. They always work! It’s rare when they don’t, although the closest ones to me in Owosso, Michigan are turned off - been this way for weeks. They are the perfect charge speed to have near restaurants, shopping centers, or grocery stores.

[@rcktmn]

They put one of these (60 kW) in Gardiner, MT and it's great. Did the Beartooth Highway twice this summer in my M3P. Just need one in Red Lodge now. I also used these this summer up in Whitefish with zero issues. Not bad at all Also, it was de-rated to 30 kW last time I went there. I filed a support ticket and they fixed it within a week

[@andrewt9204]

I charged at the Lvl 2 stations in Red Lodge while we ate and shopped around for a few hours. Was enough to get back to Canyon Village and plug in at the hotel. But, they need a lot more charging stalls there for such a big hotel. The 4 they have there wasn't enough between other EVs and being ICE'd. With Yellowstone area being so popular, I'm surprised there aren't as much public charging options. Might have to do with the heavy anti-EV stance the governer has... Red Lodge could use a few DCFC stalls for beartooth, and there definitely needs to be more DCFC/SC options in the Wind River Reservation area, and in Jackson. I stopped at a LVL 2 station between casper and jackson to charge for 1.5 hours. It was an hour faster than going all the way around the state, but would have saved a ton of time if there was even a 50kW station somewhere in the reservation area.

[@ben3989]

I’ve been wanted to drive portland to red lodge in m VW. Still a weird hole through Bozeman that boggles my mind. EA might be building a location there. Montana is one of the trickiest states right now

[@rcktmn]

There's an EA at Target it Bozeman they just built. Hasn't gone on line yet but I think it's supposed to any day now@@ben3989

[@petesjk]

@@ben3989Bozeman has two Tesla Supercharger lots, but it is strange that even their Walmart doesn’t have any charging. The way things are going, it could be the third Supercharger lot, but Bozeman overall needs more chargers along Main Street.

[@carlagat1075]

12:37 Yeah, that is a quick Kyle Connor video. Good information though Thanks Kyle. 😊

[@doug1olson]

I don’t quick charge my LEAF very often here in California but it’s the ChargePoint units that are easy and work.

[@llee88]

But ChargePoint’s software engineering team needs to do a better job of listening more to station owners on software enhancements. One of many examples: a station owner can set pricing and overstay fees, but it’s fairly basic and there are no advanced options such as the ability to disable the overstay fee overnight at multifamily properties so residents can charge overnight and not have to move their car at 3am to avoid the overstay fee. I think we may need to push for more competition in the marketplace and have grant funding support this.

[@infernovideo]

I used a 62kW version one of these for the first time last week in Burlington Washington. Worked great on my first try, just a bit slow for my ID.4 topping out at 61kW.

[@teslatim78]

What’s really cool is back in your live stream of the EV6 70 mile an hour range test you were pretty adamant that the CPE 250 was not good on the consumer side. I think that speaks volumes for ChargePoint and how they really started to up their game.❤

[@workoutathome2415]

Awesome video! detail explanations about the nice features.

[@matthewp1682]

Nothing beats superchargers, theyre seamless and so easy to use and are extremely rare to find one broken.

[@TechTab00]

you got that right brother. No one can touch them. And I really can't understand why.

[@BbBb-n9t]

​@@TechTab00because they care, and have the resources to make them great. I don't trust chargers like chargepoint to not fall into a state of disrepair. I hope that's not the case.

[@davidzeager262]

@@TechTab00 Tesla owns the stations. ChargePoint does not own the stations after sold to a site, just the network communications on the back side. If a site owner doesn't maintain the station, there is little CP can do about it. If a driver calls in a support issue, CP will work with the site owner to see what options are available with their warranty or contract if a repair is even possible. Since Tesla owns the stations, they have teams that will go out and mark stations needed for replacement and can schedule and replace the parts quickly, having mainly to only answer to themselves for the service. Also Tesla only (mostly right now anyway) needs to work with Tesla. So developing the protocol for communications between the station and your own small range of vehicles is quite a bit easier to develop and test than being an open standard that has to support a wide range of vehicles like a Leaf all the way up to a metro bus or even a EV boat. It is also reported that Tesla chargers with the Magic adapter having communication issues with non-Tesla vehicles, so Tesla isn't quite as universally reliable as you think. The cables of a Tesla charger are also smaller and easier to manage because they don't actually fully meet specifications. Sure enough the EU model Superchargers use different thicker cables that are certified, but in the US, the cables are as small as electrically they can make them for their cars with such a charging curve on a "small" battery. If a Tesla charger was charging for instance a very low SOC Hummer at full speed up to 100%, it will thermally throttle or damage itself because of the high current for long amounts of time. CP stations are built for buses to charge their 400-600kwh battery packs at up to 200KW in the current EXPP product. The cables are also shorter because Tesla can count on the charging port to be a consistent distance away from the station because it makes the car, too. This lets them get away making thinner cables because they are shorter and don't have to be shielded as well. Making a more universal station required beefier and more complicated cables. And you still need the app for that. There are also reports of new Superchargers with the credit card reader installed so you don't need the app that are also having issues starting the charge sessions because of protocol issues.

[@MNMadMan]

Recently ran in to a pair of them that were off line and unavailable. Which was really bad as I I waist the middle of no where. Found a level 2 and charged for 2 hours to get 40 miles down the road to the next DC charger. The units that were off line were that way for 2 weeks. I tried calling Customer service, after an hour of music on hold, I gave up. They didn't answer my emails either

[@terrylueders]

Thanks for being the face of EV charging and EV cars! You are my teacher! I learn so much from you! I will try to pass it on!

[@PeaceChanel]

Thank You for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste.. 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ✌ ☮ ❤

[@mrlinux11]

Our parking garage at work provided ChargePoint (L2) and for 5+ years (5 days a week) they were never broken.

[@gregeplerwood6534]

We invest in Chargepoint and can’t understand why its stock valuation has gone down around 30% in the last quarter, given your glowing endorsement!

[@TuomasLeone]

The combination of NEVI and other funding schemes, and the weak position of Electrify America, I think we're the the verge of seeing an rapid expansion of other entrants into the arena. If ChargePoint and get some higher powered versions out in numbers that'd be nice.

[@howiemeltzer7040]

I haven't seen any Chargepoint DCFC units in Western Washington. I use their level 2 chargers at parks and parking lots in Bellingham at times with no issues.

[@777Outrigger]

My experience with ChargePoint in Colorado is great. If they're not damaged or broken. And there are a lot in this condition. I have charged my Model Y in Fairplay, Co and Conifer, Co and they do good. I charged at Conifer today and it was excellent, but 3 of the 4 cables at the two units were broken off the arm they hang on and were on the ground, including the one I successfully charged on. I have a lot of hope for ChargePoint.

[@FinnishArmy]

ChargePoint has a lot of experience, with the best AC charging infrastructure literally everywhere. All they gotta do is upgrade their AC locations to DC (at least every 20 miles)

[@LionheartLivin]

I'm confused, you need that big transformer and the switch gear to power that one single 50kw charger?

[@COSolar6419]

ChargePoint is the most common CCS option in SW Colorado. Some were recently upgraded to 200 kw units. Those had some initial downtime in the couple of months after installation but they now seem to be working well.

[@mysteeda2010]

Kyle, thank you. I don’t have an EV. But do want one in the future! I love this kind of information!

[@ArielBatista]

Sorry but Charge Point is the worst around here. Too expensive, and most are broken. I avoid them as much as possible. I am in Florida. Especially all the 25kw ones that they set up but are no longer working. Most of them are at dealerships. Very crappy support as well.

[@olemissjim]

It’s worth mentioning that there are too many Charge Point L2 and even CCS post that are offline LITERALLY because no one will swap the $10 cellular model card from a 2G to a 4G part. There is also a “new” 3 year old charge point near me that is powered but won’t activate a session because the property owner paid for the install but doesn’t pay the $8 service fee so it just show an offline message on the screen. Insane

[@TheTanman412]

Chargepoint has been one of the most reliable charging networks for me since 2020 as a CCS user. Only recently has Electrify America improved enough to make me choose them mainly because of improved speed.

[@bogiesan]

ChaegePoint is in a partnership with Volvo and Starbucks to equip 15 stores along the Denver/Salt Lake City/Boise/Seattle corridor, providing a 4x62kW station roughly every 100-130 miles. Three of five planned for Colorado [Grand Junction (online), Glenwood Springs (online), Silverthorne (no progress), Idaho Springs (no progress, Broomfield (online)] are now online. Have you visited any?

[@atleyri]

In Norway you don't get the government funding if you install only one charger. Two is the minimum. Smart! I hate places with only one charger. No redundancy, and that's not a good situation.

[@FosterFarmsOk]

just finished up installing 3 express 250s. nice products. hopefully I can sell and install more of them

[@avianspies]

It was great using the CP DCFC while we were in Pagosa Springs for our Honeymoon

[@Quickicecarreviews123]

Most of them in Chattanooga (level 2) have 1 stall with 2 connections and most have at least one broken almost all the time. Either won’t start charge or handle latch broken.

[@chrisb508]

Wait a minute...I grew up in Leadville, Colorado. Great little town. Thanks for the shout out.

[@davidbondi]

Leadville 100, iconic!!

[@Na808Koa]

I finally went and got my first EV earlier this year, in Hawaii ChargePoint level 2 seems to be the major supplier in the areas I have been driving. The point in your video when you explain that if the enduser has not kept up the monthly maintenance package then the units are not repaired now seems to make sense why so many are defective. I can't tell you the number of locations I have pulled into to charge while shopping or dining out with broken (jammed) tabs on the J-1772 connectors. it is so frustrating. I wish they would install some of those DC fast charging stations, my local mall has two level two chargers for what must be at least 1,000 car parking lot!

[@gregpochet4812]

Here in VA, MD and PA area, these are popping up at Dealerships.

[@doodlebug1820]

i have a Leaf and.... you are right. Chademo plugging is like wrestling with a gigantic snake so that i can charge at 35kw.

[@mundoracer]

I'm definitely more likely to use one of these now with Kyle's recommendations!

[@honesty_-no9he]

Why don't they have binding contracts?

[@davidandrew6357]

Chris, Bight your tongue on taking out the Chademo's. Nissan drivers don't have an adaptor to shift to any other standard. On the other hand Lectron does make a CCS1 to Tesla (NACS) adaptor. So take out the CCS1 and install an NACS instead.

[@HawkJ88]

I’ve used ChargePoint numerous times and they’ve been great. Absolutely agree more reliable than EA.

[@edrift3d]

Here in SC and south NC I usually end up using ChargePoint and honestly between the dealers and municipalities using CP machines/network it’s has the best coverage and options for charging. Way better than Electrify America which is unfortunate because I still get free charging at EA for another year on my Ioniq 5. Not yet had any problems with CP chargers being down which I have at EA.

[@TheRyanSW]

Great review, Kyle. The CPE 250 had been a popular option here in the Tennessee Valley primarily because of its relatively low price and high reliability. If you ever make your way to Tennessee, hit us up. (I’m with TVA)

[@SDGreg]

For me in CA they work great. Just use my phone wave it around and it activates the charger. Fairly seamless.

[@douglasalanthompson]

As a (Leaf) Plus, they usually have Chademo!!!

[@anhta31]

We use the local Chargepoint AC charging station as our main charger. Love it. Hope they can get profitable and stay alive tho

[@thepupev9621]

The CP Express units are the official charger of the VW Mitigation Trust money that was distributed to states. They're still installing them in TN. It's nice to have more chargers that are generally reliable, but it's kind of silly to still be installing 62.5 kW units on highway corridors in late 2023.

[@louisiglesias9727]

Kyle, not sure if you have addressed mitigation options for DC systems to handle areas prone to flooding, snow impacts, etc. Your thoughts

[@rmakids]

Looking near my house in Maryland and my parent's house on long Island, the only charge points are 6.7kW. 😢

[@ensshok]

Great review, thanks for the info. Only one point I'd disagree with -- public charging (especially DC fast) needs to be more expensive in order to be sustainable and also to encourage proper charger etiquette (e.g., vacating chargers after a reasonable period of time).

[@matthewrideout2677]

this is making me realize how few ev's put the charger port on the sidewalk side

[@arnoldguevara9371]

Thank you for your excellent video. I have found your comments and experiences with ChargePoint to be true.

[@markshellard]

I hope this helps their stock!!

[@Igoriann]

I love thos station. 10 canadian an hour while shell charges 30!!! Let that sink in.

[@philippe146]

In Quebec, they install and provide the DC charger for free. Only give the land and space they need. The only catch is that they keep the profit, but they maintain everything-ideas to bring more traffic to your business. they provide 50 100 120 180 kw units depending on the traffic in your area and power availability from their website all Flo units. I never went to one and it didn’t work. Fast-Charge Station The cost of purchasing and installing this type of charging station is now assumed entirely by Hydro-Québec. However, you can participate to the deployment by allocating a piece of land and this will bring new customers to your business.

[@TrainsFerriesFeet]

Chargepoint chargers work great, but they typically don't have charging speeds as fast as EA.

[@ChicagoBob123]

Off topic, hope you have someone read this. Would like a new 23 lfp Mach E 70mph range test. Would be great to know how the new battery pack does.

[@pete3897]

No link to R&D review video in description...

[@jimburness5481]

Vast majority of ChargePoint sales go through its resellers. Aspen…sold by NCC. Leadville…sold by NCC. Crested Butte…sold by NCC.

[@no1be4me2]

How good does those charges work with the rolling blackouts...

[@bryanwilson3023]

Looks like you hit great color in Carbondale.

[@Hảo_Nguyễn_Cuối_Tuần]

EV makers should move the charge port to the curb side. Look how far the cable has to go!!!

[@petehelme7714]

Tesla owners would revolt. :) Curbside charging, which I believe is more popular in Europe, is likely one of the reasons why Audi eTrons have AC ports on both sides.

[@zerokool-2058]

We need charging lounge stations. So you can charge and go use the rest room or get a snacks if you want. Needs to have great lights, a small building. You know, like gas stations.

[@teslatonight]

Service fees? Who services these chargers? I nean, really, who? When? I ask because that is something I have yet to see after about ten years. Nevertheless, I'm rooting for all EV charging stations. Peace, love, and prosperity to you all. Thanks for the post. Great information. 🤖🧡

[@kentscribner172]

I'll be in Colorado soon in my Tesla. I'm looking for reasonable prices. In my area non Tesla superchargers I have found are running twice as much as to use.

[@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403]

What strikes me the most with this charger is that it's on the curb, right by a parking spot. This is what needs to happen in order for EVs to really take off. Basically, everywhere there's a parking meter, it needs to be integrated into a charger like this. Nothing super powerful. If each line can put out 75kW, that allows you to park, go to the bathroom, order lunch and when you come back 40 minutes later, you've added 150 miles of range. Chargers need to be everywhere so that those that live in apartments have no issues with charging.

[@HWKier]

Thank you. Very educational.

[@jeremyp3630]

Are you going through Redstone and over kebler pass to create butte? That is a scenic drive.

[@andrewt9204]

Maybe they should have another service option where the monthly service fee is much lower, but charge a bit more for when there is a problem. Would probably be a more affordable solution for the less frequently used sites.

[@anthonyc8499]

Chargepoint has taken a big reputational hit by selling to buyers who abandon the hardware. There are derelict stations all over the place which leaves a bad taste in the mouths of EV drivers.

[@jeffdaley8597]

100% agree. I understand the need for the service plan but that doesn't help the average person showing up to a charger that just doesn't work. At Toronto airport there are 8 chargepoint dc fast chargers in the cell phone waiting lot and all 8 of them are broken and have been for some time. Even though this is the fault of the charge point operator/ site host and not chargepoint it is a very visible location and looks really bad on chargepoint.

[@kenyakking]

Anyone know what the monthly maintenance fee is? Curious...

[@jonpeterson5071]

I used a ChargePoint DC 62.5 kW charger in Klamath Falls several weeks ago that provided 27kW-which was well reported on Plug Share so no surprise. Do you think these units are being kept slow to avoid peak use charges? On that subject, I’d like to see a deep dive video on peak use charges. What kW draw do peak charges start at? My house to grid hookup is 200 amps, around 48 kW and I don’t pay these charges. Who do they apply to? How much might a 4-unit, 350 kW DC charging setup theoretically pay in these charges? Are owners actively avoiding paying these charges? Derating to avoid these charges, for example. It would take a lot of research to do a good video on the subject. Perhaps the faculty at the college you rent space from have some expertise for you to draw on? Edit: seeing reply below, the word I was looking for is demand charges. Not peak charges.

[@chriseberle8363]

Yeah had the same problem in Klamath Falls a couple of weeks ago. I tried every charger and they were all at 26kw except one that was running at 51kw? Have no idea why. I am not a fan of 50kw charging, just not fast enough for long trips. Have a F150 lightning standard range and charging in KFalls is an hour and half process.

[@patrickmay8261]

Demand charges will be there no matter what. Even if you limit to 1kw you'll pay that in demand charge. Some utilities are getting away from them for EV chargers. Out here in CA with PG&E the customer subscribes to a bucket of demand. For smaller sites they are 10kw increments (BEV-1 rate plan) and larger sites (BEV-2) are 50kw increments. The electricity cost is then charged on a Time of Use basis (Peak, Off Peak and Super Off Peak).

[@jimburness5481]

Hmmm, could part of the reliability be because ChargePoint’s Value Added Reseller of 2023 is based in Denver? National Car Charging always goes the extra mile for its customers and nobody has sold and installed more ChargePoint in CO than NCC!

[@benssolarandbattery]

Every chargepoint I've tried in the VT/NH area seems to be limited to 27kW quite often. Either that, or only 1 of 2 is working. I tend to avoid them at this point if I can.

[@GregHassler]

I don't know of any ChargePoint high power fast chargers anywhere in the Mid-Atlantic. Pretty much all EVgo and EA here.

[@Jcthedog]

Reliable every time

[@fortyyearfitness]

The market is wide open for a good company to come in and take over EV charging( other than Tesla)….. but it seems that no one can be a good company…. I don’t get it…

[@richardrhodes-gc2ko]

What,Never heard of Tesla?Crawl back under that rock :)

[@fortyyearfitness]

@@richardrhodes-gc2ko I have a Tesla, sorry I didn’t make it more clear….. a company other than Tesla has a shot at making some money, but no one can get their crap together

[@jamesbaxter2812]

I you personal apinion. What is the difference between charge point and Autel?

[@dlewis9760]

No love on Polestar for kilowatt draw? "Aging Wheels" just did a video and I believe that could grab 150 if available.

[@jimburness5481]

BTW, the Charge Ahead Colorado grant REQUIRES 5 years of software and warranty.

[@MLHunt]

They must be bigger out west; there are very few of their DCFC units to be seen in the Mid-Atlantic where I live.

[@kurtschmidt291]

So why is the company stock checking the drain?

[@hikikomori69]

I feel like in the Bay Area you have superchargers in the back of a parking lot, Electrify America up close to the store or garage, and ChargePoint actually in the garage,

[@theredmonkey]

I had not seen these locally yo me in NorCal and my brother ran charged at one and let me know where to check it out. What has my life come to when I am wanting to go see a charger, I blame you Kyle. Conveniently its next to a a location of a great little Mexican food chain. In Reno the L2 chargers at one of the hotels on the row had a tab broken off the charger and it was nonfunctional. Luckily the other garages had them, they also had Tesla destination chargers as well as a supercharger.

[@wzDH106]

Haven't had any issues with Charge Point DC units. They just work.

[@CaviDS]

in my neck of the woods they are quite a bit more expensive than Electrify America

[@teardowndan5364]

Borrowed my mother's Bolt EV for my first 460km EV roundtrip to visit one of my friends last weekend as a means to help her with those pesky 10 000 post-recall battery diagnostic kms, used Electric Circuit for charging. Most chargers along the way are advertised as 50kW but I never got more than 44kW out of them because they can only put out 125A up to 400V whereas the Bolt needs 150A to hit 50kW in the 0-15% range and ~140A for 15-50%. Shortly after 60%, the BMS starts rolling back charging current to less than 125A (power comes down from constant 43-44kW from 15% through 60%) and hits 20kW around 70%, which appears to be a typical 2017-2022 Bolt EV curve when I looked it up upon return. I was planning to charge to 80% but cut the session off early since I didn't want to get screwed by by-the-hour billing any more than I already had. Kind of disappointing to find out that the most common charging network and hardware in my areas of interest cannot deliver their advertised rating over the SoC range where 350-400V systems can actually accept it. Not really impressed with the Bolt's 66kWh pack having only about 40kWh of "roadtrippable" energy (if you can overlook hour-long charging sessions) either. Not taking an extra 5% on the way out almost got me on the way back where elevation and rain ate most of my spare range 30km before my intended charger. Using Google Earth to measure distance to that charger, it also appears Maps may have been 5km short on its trip calculation. Ended up doing about 10km in "limited power" mode.